Is Guilty Gear officially a better fightan series than Street Fighter?

Just wanted to say what a great thread this is, OP, and I'm looking forward to seeing it again tomorrow.

>>361157786
Having no playerbase, no neutral game, and deviantart-tier characters sure is better. OH WAIT

It's a much more polished and better designed, but no one plays it and numbers are important.

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>>361157956
this is the first time i've posted on /v/ in 3 years

i'm sorry if the game is so successful that other people have posted essentially the exact same thing I have without me being aware of it. that kind of happening indicates a consensus.

>>361158164
Wrong on all counts. Even if these things were true V is such a downstep from IV that Revelator (not Sign, mind you) is overall a better game.

>>361158395
Revelator is a downstep too. The difference is people actually play SF5. SF5's flaws are the lack of an arcade mode and Mika. They already nerfed Mika. Meanwhile no one gives a fuck about your hipster anime game.

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I think it's definitely a better game, but there are several factors that make it way less popular and attractive to the general public:
>More difficult to learn
>Anime aesthetics
>No solid enough reputation in the west
>Arc System Works' retarded business model
Because of this it's less played which makes it even less attractive. SF on the other hand is simpler, a more realistic approach to aesthetics and "it's Street Fighter", which combined with cross-play gives it a greater playerbase. Their business model is a bit stupid too, though.

>no cross play
>buying the same game over and over at full price
thats not fun at all. i wouldve bought it for steam otherwise.

>>361157786
you're wrong OP no Bridget No Buy

Most fighters are better than street fighter nowadays, the only ones who can't comprehend that are people who don't play games out of their popular comfort zone, or the douchebags who try to snub something like guilty gear for being an "anime" fighter.

>>361157786

Do really you find it necessary for /v/ to validate your opinions?

They play totally different from one another. I do think more time and effort was put into GG though.

It's a better game but what good is that when it has no players?

it'S definitely more fulfilling to play

>>361158848

>the only ones who can't comprehend that are people who don't play games out of their popular comfort zone

Give me one good reason I should feel ashamed for not playing a fighting game with gameplay and character designs that don't fit my preferences.

>>361159197
Can you name any other games outside of your comfort zone?

>>361158164
>deviantart-tier characters
You're thinking of BlazBlue, homie.

>>361159438
Because Bedman is a stellar design, right?

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>>361157786
>no neutral game
>need over 10 hrs of practice in training mode to learn all the fundamental combos and setups for your main
>either spend the entire round stuck in the corner or mashing corner-specific blockstrings and combos

i want to enjoy the game, but i can't

>>361159398

I'm assuming you mean games that I play/played, in which I've been playing a little Tekken (will play more when 7 comes out sometime this decade) and I put like 60 hours in skullgirls but quit since no one was online but vets that curbstomped me. Honestly I never really liked how skullgirls played anyway and was in it for the waifus.

>>361157786
I really wish they didn't half-ass street fighter 5. It's supposed to be the entry level game that pulls in new players to the genre. Now every fighting game is suffering because no one plays fighters anymore.
The 2nd fighting game fad is over.

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>>361159197
No reason, anon. You got nothing to prove!

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>>361157786
>Is Guilty Gear officially a better fightan series than Street Fighter?

I was always really into the art and music of fighting games as much as the gameplay, even ever since they started to become popular back in the PS1 days. Back then I loved both series equally. Today? It isn't even a contest. Street Fighter now looks like ass and its music has lost all character. The music in Guilty Gear, while not as good as it once was, is still the kind of thing I'd even listen to outside of playing the game, so in-game it works very well.

I don't know why Capcom has lost all sense of aesthetic. Ever since SFIV and MvsC3 all their fighting games have started to look like ass. I started to think that was perhaps a necessary evil, that these games had to look terrible in order to be made for today's audience. But GG proves fighting games can still look amazing.

>>361157786
Fuck GG
SFV is more fun

>>361160820
>and its music has lost all character
Never played SF but is this really the case?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6HWQW2R-EE
I would think that the production values are going somewhere.

XRD's boring weeb graphics are one of the biggest reasons why I won't buy it, it just looks awful. The sprites in the XX series were wonderful. And what's with that castrated cast? Also, fuck off with that DLC policy, Jew Gooks.

Xrd is a pretty fucking boss looking game with boss music and I enjoy playing it with friends

But when you play vs some one who's actually good at the game it's fucking insane and I've never felt so helpless in any fighting game

>>361157786
Yes. But Sin is gay.

>>361161476
They all went into one song. Super.

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>>361157786
Yes but being better doesn't mean shit now.

People don't want to discuss or give attention to the better fighting game. They'd rather talk about what a trainwreck SFV is.

And the people who own SFV and want to undervalue Xrd will shitpost and claim it's a dead game, despite having never actually tried playing it. That's the new thing with fighting games, if you can't criticize anything in its gameplay you instead attack it for other peripheral shit. "Well it's weebshit and waifubait" or "it's all just 80 hit combos" or "it's dead online, nobody plays that game."

It doesn't matter anymore how good it is, people will find a way to invalidate it in their own minds and justify never trying it.

>>361162181
Moat of the songs in SFV is good.
A huge step up from SF4

>>361162206
I fucking hate Guilty Gear by how dead it feels
So many servers yet one server is barely filled
Fucking niche ass fuck cunt
Revelator, add fucking crossplay with pc

>>361161476
This basically proves my point.
That's not bad music, no. But character? if I heard this with no labels or context, my first thought would be "...is this from Tekken?"
And that's assuming I would even identify that as belonging to a fighting game. I doubt I'd ever even connect that to Street Fighter even though, again, it isn't bad music.

Now compare what you posted to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGw8DWctAts

Now only does that sound immediately identifiable, like any catchy tune, but it sounds like it can only belong to one character, even if you (personally) don't know who that character is. I'm willing to bet the best themes in Street Fighter 5, like 4, are the remixes of old ones.

>>361162181
I was baiting for links you fuck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCGuUe2RQvY

>>361162636
Ehh, some
Look at Zangief theme in V

>>361157786
I'm having more fun in gg than I do in SFV, I hope the s2 changes bring some people back
Also, axl, sin or ky

>>361162646
Well you aren't getting any now, meanie.

>>361162506
Just go to your region

go to the first server

go to the first room on that server

bam instant playerbase

I would like SFV better if they gave me more fight money

Guilty Gear isn't fun and I hate the stiff animation.

>>361162945
West region:2 players
Welp
East region: 48 players on average
Goddamn it, i was so confused with 12 empty lobbies in each region

>>361162359
I don't like SFV but this is true. There are some stinkers like the Juri and Laura theme, but most of them are good. Even some of the new songs like Fang and Karin's theme are great.

>>361159807
Don't lie. You can learn all that you need to know to function with a character in about an hour or two unless you're playing a really complex character like Venom. And getting setplayed in the corner is no different than getting vortexed by some character in SF4 or getting run over by some Mika. Just say it, you don't want to play it.

>>361157786
I would have to agree that it's better than SFV, but that doesn't really mean much when SFV is complete garbage.

>>361163123
You hate Laura? I thought it sounded nice. juri is definitely the huge stinker just like her playstyle

>>361157786
What's with this stupid effective hp Guilty Gear has? I can't see a good reason for it, all it does is detract from the game for me

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It's certainly true as of this moment. SF is shitting the bed while GG just keeps improving.

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>There are people on /v/ right now who actually think SF5 is good

>>361160820
>Capcom
Capcom no longer makes Street Fighter games. They only publish them. SF is now made by a company called Dimps who mostly made terrible DBZ games before doing SF.

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>>361157786
>ywn be Sin

>>361164751
Yes, i do, but i want arcade just for the fight money

>>361159125

It has enough players to play the game online any time I want.
Why would you prefer to play a shitty game just because it has more players?
Fighting games are all dead by that logic, and you should just go play league of legends.

>>361164751
It's playable. It's just not great by SF standards.

>>361164816
Hold up, it means nothing
Ono still directs so helps to stop them from doing anything retarded
Still capcom fucked up the release

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Anyone want me to put a lobby up?

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>no neutral game
>neutral game looks different from SF's therefore it doesn't exist.

>>361165181
Dimps has exactly no one from the SF teams working with them. Ono is the producer, not the director.

>>361157786
It's not a high bar to leap over right now. All you have to do is release a game that isn't riddled with lime-green IOUs where half the featureset is supposed to be.

>>361159438
It's the same shit, honestly. BB & GG designs are mostly just a collection of anime character stereotypes. There are a handful of stylish designs in there (Slayer, Jam, Hakumen, Litchi, and a couple others) but they're in the minority, the rest are nutty FFX-2 tier looking fuckos (including the poster boys of both games)

and if you like that sorta thing then good for you, ArcSys knows the demographic they're going for with these designs. Dunno why people make so much fuss about denying how their game looks.

>>361165259
Said no one. It is mostly people meming in regards to Xrd but GG's had the "no neutral game" reputation for years, for a reason.

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>>361164864
>you will never be a retarded 6-year old in an adult's body
Thank god

>>361165313
Does it matter too much? Eighting made naruto games before marvel 3 and that game while arguably worse than 2 still made some interesting gameplay enhancements and it was fun

>>361157786
Revelator's home console version is a port of the arcade release with extra features, which in turn was an upgrade of the home console release of Sign, which was a port of the arcade version.

Why are people making bizarre comparisons to SFV? SFV broke series distribution tradition because of Sony. There was no initial arcade release.

>>361164751
'good' is relative.

SF5 is trash compared to other SF games, but it's god tier compared to most other fighting (read: anime) games.

>>361165572
What does Dimps have to do with Eighting?

>>361165516
A handsome adult body with cool lightning powers and a delicious brown waifu.

>>361159807
I find the B&B combos in GG easier to perform than the links in SF4. The input are very generous for basic ones that still deal acceptable damage. Also, you can't smash DP to try to punish miss combo. There are many characters that are basic neutral and spacing. I haven't played 5 though. I find my win rate increases greatly in the very beginning by just jumping online and get used to playing neutral and learning defense, getting hit confirm and know how to pressure. Even on practice mode, it's better for me now to switch NPC to block or block random and just practice pressure and hit confirm rather than trying to fully optimize all combo.

>>361165674
Both developers who made anime fighting games
They can improve

>>361165637
Because you're currently in a thread of shitty players and non FGC. Why else do you think people would say shit this stupid.

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>>361165376

Talking shit about my niggas Ragna and sol. Sol is an absolute beast with some sick taste in music. And Ragna is a real ass nigga who loves Lolis. Fuck outta here nigga

>>361159807
I'm a total novice at GG and even I win matches. You just slowly incorporate the mechanics/nuances into your play as you go along but you can get by on SF fundamentals.

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>>361165919
t.

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>>361165664
You're probably the kind of guy who considers all of Capcom's non-SF and Marvel fighters garbage.

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>>361165821
The latter makes for a compelling argument

>>361165196
Sure, I'll join.
On console.

>>361165875
Eighting makes actual fighting games though, anon. Good ones too.

HEAVE OR HELL

>>361166118
Does the narrator have Downs? He can't pronounce any of the characters' names. How do you get "Chump" out of Potemkin?

>>361157786
It's all a matter of preference. That said, it's an objective fact that GG is harder to get into than SF. Most peoples' experience with fighting games is Street Fighter II or IV. Because of that, they're not used to certain notions found in GG, like airdashing, Roman Cancels, etc.

>>361166038
Never played Cyberbots but holy shit Star Gladiator... Really liked that game and I have no idea why. It was so bad.

>>361166027
8/10 made me chuckle.

But nice try. I don't go on reddit lmao

>>361159807
>>need over 10 hrs of practice in training mode to learn all the fundamental combos and setups for your main
how the fuck. I have some problem with hit confirming sometimes but combos in GG are easy

>>361165497

How is GG "no neutral game"
more like, way better neutral game, Way faster movement, and more options is a lot more fun than street fighters "Walk back and forth and do literally nothing, waiting for the guy to jump"

>>361166038
rival schools, cyberbots were not good and literally nobody plays warzard. you cant even fight each other in the goddamn game

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>>361157786
Any FG series is better than SF
Also no, Revelator isn't a good product as it's the same as the 2 previous versions and they make you pay for the small amount of new things.
Not even modern capcom is this greedy.
Xrd is good though

>>361166241
I think it's pchomkin but really faint. You can change the system voice/narrator to hear others pronunciation

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>>361166492
>rival schools
>not good

>>361166657
it wasn't. stop acting like you played it for more than 20 minutes because if you did you would know it was worse than street fighter ex 2

>>361166532
Who is she?

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>>361165919
>Ragna
Who?

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>>361157786
Is Guilty Gear the one with the gay little boy that looks like a girl in the game? Is that guy in the OP gay? Why is he holding a flag like he's some highschool flag girl?

>>361166869
Between the PS1 and the DC, I can't even tell you how many hours my old circle put into those games. Your taste in fighters is godawful if you didn't like those games.

What did you think of Virtua Fighter, out of curiosity?

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>>361157786
A better series is debatable, SF2 and 4 both had a ton of influence on fighting games as a whole while GG, although it's always been an important series, hasn't necessarily had as much impact on gaming and the genre

As far as individual games go, both Xrd Sign and Revelator are miles better than SFV. For one, both of them launched as fully featured games.

>Xrd has never had any input delay issues
>Xrd launched with actual single player content
>Xrd netplay has been fully featured and has worked since day one
>Xrd has never charged money for DLC stages that were then banned from tournament play
>Xrd has an extensive tutorial mode which covers high level and basic concepts used in GG and also across all fighting games
>Xrd's color palettes can be earned using in-game currency without having to play through an awful survival mode
>Xrd's combo challenge modes were included at launch, have a wide array of combos from even basic strings to practical bnbs for every character
>Xrd has character challenges allow you to practice against difficult situations you may run into against every character (IE blocking Millia mixups, dealing with Faust head-bomb, how to option select throws)

I could go on, but anyway it should be obvious to most people who aren't just shitposting that Xrd is objectively a better product than SFV, even now after all of SFV's updates.

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Let me tell you, it's so fucking satisfying to shit on Chipp with Raven's j.D. ARE YOU DAIJOBU NOW, MOTHERFUCKER?!

>>361167624
>>Xrd's color palettes can be earned using in-game currency without having to play through an awful survival mode

And it starts you with more than two fucking colors for each character. Yeah, Xrd is a more complete product, SFV didn't need more fucking paid DLC to be better.

>>361157786
>sfv gets flack for mash and dash
>they play goober
lmao just lmao

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>>361157786
Yes. And that's sad. Xrd just screams love, you can see how developers actually wanted to give you a great game, how Ishiwatari was happy to work on GG again, how beautiful artstyle is... Yet game didn't sell. It kinda reminds me of Okami. Everybody keep taking how awesome that game was but actual sales were bad.

I'm not saying Xrd is perfect. But you can clearly see enthusiasm and passion of developers. This game deserve to be both more succesfull and more popular but I guess ASW just can't compete with big companies on "muh e-sport" scene.

>>361162206
i love sfv and i love revelator, and im going to play both till they die. same with tekken 7 and ultimate marvel.
i love fighting games. but it looks likem people in here have more fun talking shit about the game they didn like that actually playing games that they like.

>>361162721
zangief theme is hype as fuck in v, is the version that i like the most

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>>361168202
>I'm not saying Xrd is perfect. But you can clearly see enthusiasm and passion of developers. This game deserve to be both more succesfull and more popular but I guess ASW just can't compete with big companies on "muh e-sport" scene.
I know what you mean. It almost makes you want to overlook their jewish business practices

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I'm a complete newbie to fighting games but I've been enjoying playing it so far.
Is it worth getting a fighting gamepad? I've been using a keyboard so far but it hasn't been to hard to learn the basic combos. I'm guessing it'll get more difficult to use it with more advanced techniques.

>go online in Revelator
>literally 10 people online

Yeah, real great game buddy.

>>361169272

keyboards are pretty good for fighting games desu

>>361167624

You forgot

>Xrd has never had a playerbase of more than 100 people

Why can't goobers just have a thread about the game why does it have to be framed as "dis gaem beddeeerrr"

>>361169392
Steam SPy says theres over 700 people playing.

Protips:
>You can't see full rooms
>You can't see private rooms
>You can't see public coded rooms
>rooms have a default setting that if your connection is less than 3/5 bars to the host, you can't see the room

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>>361169272
No. If anything, you should buy\build hitbox instead. It's like keyboard but with arcade buttons, ergonomic layout, console compatibility and some neat features like socd cleaner. It's also perfect for Guilty Gear. Stay away from fighting pads.

>>361169714

Yeah, because the game came out days ago on PC. Check those numbers again in a month. SFV is a year old and has double those numbers, AND it got shit on nonstop at launch. What's Revelator's excuse?

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I'm trying to be less fucking SHIT with Pot, and I got some decent mindgames and pressure game going on.

I can't pull off 6k loops however. I can do fucking anything else, aside from the 6k loops.
Is it because I'm playing on a DS pad? P is bound to my square button and HS is bound to my circle button, making an instanious hammerfall break impossible. I tried binding both buttons to L2 but Revelator has native DS support so it disables all my macros.

Any advice? How can I be like our lord and saviour FAB.

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>>361169856

>hitbox

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I fucking love GG's defensive mechanics

Faultless defense is a pushblock that negates all chip damage and keeps you from gaining any GRD bar, but it also costs meter to use it and adds more frames to your blockstun. So you need to know when to use it and when to block normally.

Then there's Just Defense, where if you block at the exact moment the opponent's attack makes contact with you you get both a meter bonus and fewer frames of blockstun, which opens the door to punishing certain moves if you have good enough timing and execution.

You can spend meter for a blitz shield which works as a parry, which will allow you to get a full combo punish on your opponent if you do parry correctly. But you need to choose whether to parry high or low, and also your opponent can blitz back if they have the meter which creates its own mindgame in and of itself. Plus you can choose to charge the shield in a similar way to focus attacks in SF4, allowing for different degrees of damage or hitstun.

And bursts, holy shit bursts. Bursts in Guilty Gear, at a high level of play, are the best shit. You both start with a burst that you can use to escape from combos or to get out of pressure and launch your opponent a full screen away, which is amazing and super useful. But the burst animation has just enough startup that your opponent can bait you into using it and then punish you for it with a full combo with reset damage scaling. You can also use the burst in a neutral situation and get a Gold Burst, which will give you a full bar of meter if the opponent is hit by it and it recovers more quickly. But even that burst can be punished if you use it at a bad time or if the opponent is looking for it. Burst baiting is one of my favorite things about high level GG matches.

Fuck. GG's defensive mechanics are such great ideas.

>>361170373
Not an argument.

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>>361170373
What?

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>>361167792
(teleport YRCs behind u)

heh....nothing personnel, kid

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>>361169868
Street Fighter has more brand recognition than Guilty Gear. More people know about Street Fighter.

How does that make Guilty Gear a bad game?

I played Revelator on PS4 but now it's dead so I'm playing Blazblue CF instead because it has a much bigger playerbase.

>>361169272
You can play stick, pad, keyboard (hitbox) just with your keyboard if you want and if you get serious with the game you might wanna consider a hitbox for easier gaming if you addend events.

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Blazblue in Unreal when?

>>361157786
Even Guilgy Gear on ps1 has more depth than modern SF

>>361168520
this is the correct opinion to have

there's no rule that says you HAVE to like only one fighting game and shit on all others, but just cursory glance through any /v/ fighting game thread would have you believe there is

>>361170508

>GRD bar
This ain't UNIEL, friend.

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>>361170331
I'm using a DS4 and I personally changed my P to triangle to do those more easily, almost pretty sure you can still plink HS~P to get instant hammerfall break but that's still more effort

keep fighting the good fight, potempal

>>361171306
oh shit whoops, meant R.I.S.C. gauge

>>361167792
what is insanity meter for on raven?

>>361167069
Bridget is straight, as far as we know.

The guy in the OP is close to fucking delicious brown waifu (female) and fights with a flag because he is literally fucking retarded.

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>gg doesn't have long anime combos
lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

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>>361171843
More damage and combo routes. Pretty powerful but kinda tricky to build.

Ky is handsome

>>361157786
Fun-wise, Street Fighter and Guilty Gear are both on par with each other.
In short, both are boring-ass games, they only have different demographies.

>>361170331
Use DS4Windows, hide ps4 controller in its options.

>>361171942
>193 damage

>>361171843
Raven's excitement meter is what he fills when he uses Give it to me HERE. When he uses it, the bar fills either gradually over time or any time he gets hit.

He does more damage depending on how much excitement meter he has. He can also combo off of his command grabs if his meter gets high enough. His cinematic super also does more hits with more excitement meter.

WATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATA

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>>361170508
I like most of Guilty Gear's system mechanics, but I absolutely hate having to shake/mash out of stagger and dizzy. I can't for the life of me shake/mash fast enough so a dizzy on me is always a free IK and stagger a free combo.

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>>361173164

Yeah I know. Revelator STILL detects it. I'm glad that they added support but all DS4 hiding options are broke atm. Can't use macros or im just THAT stupid.

>>361157786
Street Fighter V isn't the best Street Fighter.

And no, Guilty Gear isn't better because they're not really the same genre of video game even though outward appearances would suggest so.

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>>361173598
You are that stupid. I'm using both and it's working fine.

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>>361173983
>Guilty Gear is not a fighting game

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>>361173584
Good players will know when you will get stunned and be ready to combo you before you have time to mash out so don't worry too much about it.

Getting IKd by scrubs might be annoying though. All I can say is anticipate the stun and mash at the earliest possible time, when you are nearly out start holding block and a button so that you come out faultless defending instead of whiffing a normal and getting counterhit like a dumbass.

>>361160820
>image

Put original GG in motion up against CPS2 SFA2 and see how they compare. Guilty Gear was hamstrung by the PlayStation and had a severe lack of animation.

>>361174039
>Air dashers are the same as Normal fighting games
Hes being stupid but you are too.

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>>361160820
>even ever since they started to become popular back in the PS1 days.

Fighting games were dead in the PS1 days. They stayed dead up until the release of Street Fighter IV, and they still have never reached the heights attained in the early arcade days.

Street Fighter II was a cultural phenomenon. The only game that ever came close to the same popularity was Mortal Kombat.

>>361174175
A fighting game is a fighting game, regardless of whatever sub-genre of fighting game it is in.

>>361160820
ALSO

Guilty Gear as a series is made by a lot of the guys who worked on the Capcom fighting games like Vampire and possibly SSFIIX and SFA. And maybe Street Fighter II. So it's kind of muddy about the lineage of the true "Street Fighter" game out there.

>>361174434
No son. Just no. The rules are are very different.

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>>361173991

Your macros working correctly then? Mind sending me a screenshot so I know what the hell im doing wrong for just a simple HS and P at the same time?
I appreciate any gesture to pull me out of scrub hell.

>>361169856
only on /v/

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>guilty gear has [nonempirical thing] that street fighter lacks. i don't know what it is though so i'll keep calling it [nonempirical thing]
>yeah i've been playing since slash. baiken is my waifu!
>no bridget no buy
>gg's only dead because there's no pc version out yet!
>gg's dead on pc because it came out late!
>gg's dead because there's no crossplay!

>>361165991
hi theoryfighter

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Yes it is. The only thing it has against it is the execution barrier. As a game, it excels over games like SFV in every possible way.

>>361174738
>execution barrier
What?

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>>361174039
Never said that. Guilty Gear is a fighting game, but it is a completely different genre of fighter than Street Fighter.

Street Fighter is to Capcoms 19XX series as Guilty Gear is to the Cave shooters. They're all shmups, but also radically different.

I don't play Guilty Gear anymore because it just isn't the kind of fighting game I'm interested in playing.

>>361174434
So Marvel vs Capcom 2 and Street Fighter II are the same genre of video game?

lel just no

They might both have lifebars and you push buttons to attack and hold back to defend but that's about where the similarity ends.

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Can;t you just play the one you like more or both? ____ is better than Street Fighter is an argument that never really goes anywhere but in circles.

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>>361174783
Not that anon, but I have trouble with any of the trials that require Dust->18 jabs and light kicks in random order->special finisher. I don't have trouble pulling any of the moves off by themselves, but I can't do some of those combos after a certain point.

>>361170917
i want that so bad

>fw the game is already dead on PC

thank gabe for refunds

>Street Fighter V and Guilty Gear Xrd both run on the same Unreal engine

Could one be hacked to run assets from the other?

>>361174935
>So Marvel vs Capcom 2 and Street Fighter II are the same genre of video game?

Yes. They are both fighting games. They have their mechanical differences, but no one argues that Marvel isn't a fighting game like people do with Smash. As for what TYPE of fighting game MvC is, that's a wholly different topic.

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>>361175301

Why does it have to be so dead?

>>361175385

Xrd uses UE3 with a bunch of custom shit like shaders etc. SFV uses UE4

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>>361158164
>SFV has a better neutral game than XRD

>>361175156
>Dust-18 jabs and light kicks in random order
...this is like the simpliest thing to do, anon. You just break them into sequences divided by jump cancel. I think you just need more practice.

>>361175451
They're so far apart we need to stop considering a person who plays one would be interested in playing the other.

>>361157786
Nice non-existent playerbase you got there. Have the devs even considered trying something else to make the game more attractive? Like changing business model (not charging 59.99 for 3 new characters), making it easier in some way to cater to cashuls etc.

>>361170917
They'll probably give blazblue the xrd reboot treatment eventually. It would be a waste not to now that they have a working foundation and have gotten used to designing xrd characters. I'm not a big fan of blazblue, but I'd like to see what it would look like.

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So who have you been trying to get gud in GG or SF anons?

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>>361175991
Got SFV from sketchy site for cheap, already poured 10 hours in. I was on the verge of getting GG Relevator, but that price is a true meme, considering it will die off in a month max.

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>"I'll pick up Guilty Gear when the new version comes out"
>"When Dizzy/Johnny/Jam are announced"
>"When the price drops"
>"When its on PC"

>>361162206
I have 555 hours in SFV and probably a similar amount in XRD:SIGN with my combined ps3 and PC time and I can say that GG is a much better game for enthusiasts, but new players will probably turn away from it because it doesn't reward jab mashing and random dashing the way SFV does. Not to mention the numerous mechanics you need to be familiar with like just guarding, faultless defense, blitz shields, dead angles, different character weights, and different character wakeup timings, etc.
SFV got too frustrating for me because it's hard to be consistent in a game where you can't always react to fast forward dashes and you have to anticipate so much. In GG it's a bit more honest until you get knocked down. Characters can't just dash on you whenever you're playing passively because most characters have a run that's more used for whiff punishing rather than just for doing raw.

>>361174627
What Guilty Gear needs is some fucking netcode that is meant to function well outside of Japan.

There is no excuse for GG still using input-delay only netcode.

When I can get a smoother netplay experience from a free service playing against some guy somewhere on the other side of the world than I can get from a newly released game against someone who is maybe a state or two away, something is wrong.

For the love of god ASW, look into rollback.

>>361174935
Yes.
Just like Quake and Call of Duty are in the same base genre.

Are MvC2 and SF2 the same exact kind of fighting game? Fuck no, but they are still both fighting games.

If people really feel a need to differentiate, they will just make up a new name like they have with 'anime fighter' or 'air dasher' to distinguish this sub-genre of fighting game from others, without needing to throw it out from under the overall 'fighting game' umbrella, for some arbitrary reason.

>>361176348
When it's on xbox one

>>361175769
"Interest" is subjective though. How does one's interest in playing one fighting game but not another cement/devoid either of being a fighting game?

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>>361175991
Venom since Sign, but it's been a struggle.

>>361176348
>-70%
God fucking damnit, did I miss it? I would have bought it at that price.

>>361176812
Cyber Monday

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>all of my russian/mexican friends bought revelator because it's $15
>americans still play sign because of arcjews
holy fuck i'm mad

>>361176440
>What Guilty Gear needs is some fucking netcode that is meant to function well outside of Japan.
Isn't that mainly a problem with burger Internet infrastructure? Here in Europe I get a decent connection with most people from different countries I've played with. Though I suppose rollback netcode would be nice.

>>361159807
>>361158164

>no neutral game

This is one thing that people who actually do not play the game should not lie on.

If you don't even know shit in neutral in GG, you can't ever get the fuck in. Ever. You'll just get beat in everything you do.

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>>361176862
>release date: december 14th
Curse preordering

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>>361175535
>tfw can't jump cancel

I've always been like this. I love fighting games, and I mean all of them. Problem is that I can't bring myself to dedicate the time to playing only one or two. I've always hit some barrier in every game I play, and that's where the personal growth stops for me:

>Stopped at jump cancelling normals in GGXrd
>Stopped at plinking and FADC combos in SFIV
>Stopped at Jabbing -> Max Mode in KoFXIV
>Stopped at fly/un-fly combos in MvC2 with Sentinel and Iron Man

It's just the bane of my existence that I enjoy too many things. You're right that practice would fix it, but I just want to get good at too many things.

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>>361177204
>can't jump cancel
Nigga you what?! You literally just press up.

>>361174175
You just said an incredibly stupid thing. Why did you say that?

>>361176440
Do you understand how rollback and GGPO netcode works?

You can't just pop it into a new online game and have it work. It's extremely resource intensive. The only reason it works perfectly on old games is because they're old games.

SFV attempted rollback netcode and it's a fucking mess.

>>361177204
Just hold up or 9 as you enter the input, same for air.

>>361177204
Just press up like it's the next button in the series.

>>361175991
Sol in GG, yes I know I'm a scrub

>>361175991
I played Vega in SFV but I'm dropping it for now, I don't like the game.
Playing Raven in Rev and having fun, but I can play a decent Chipp as well.

>>361168202
Here's the thing though.

They are making so much bank in the arcades that the sales in consoles are almost just an extra for them.

It has been 3 years straight since GG and BB have been in the top 5 tankings for arcade profit in Japan. The ones only above them are Gundam and Tekken.

So yeah, console sales are bonuses to them. Arcade profits is where it's at.

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>>361177328
>>361177384
>>361177419
Would it help if I told you I have trouble playing charge characters? The notion of holding a direction while simultaneously hitting an input has always fucked me up. Only exception is "unique attacks" in something like SF or GG because those are just one input. But hitting eight jabs and kicks, and THEN pressing up and kick at the same time mid-combo just catches me off guard. No surprise that games like GG and BB are my weakest.

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>Tfw want Necro back in SF and ABA back in Xrd.
I have a thing for the freak characters and neither have quite enough.

>>361170750
I wanna know where you guys are playing to call it dead.

I was playing yesterday and there were 7 lobbies that had full people I had to go to fucking newbie lobbies to at least get some play time. And even there, it was almost full when I joined in.

>>361177178
>guilty gear has neutral
t. someone who has never played guilty gear

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sfv is SHIT and i feel sorry for anyone that wasted time trying to get good at it

>>361177667
It just takes getting used to. I play May and I find myself charging on other characters with no charge inputs.

>>361164552
Dizzy is not an improvement.

>>361177360
KI netcode is godlike tho

>>361177892
What about the other five characters?
The new and improved lobbies?
The better matchmaking?
The clans/guilds?
The soon-to-come online arcade mode?

>>361177793
Every fighting game has neutral. Just because it's not wiggling back and forth poking out one move and whiff punishing doesn't mean it's not.

>>361177869
The only difference between a good player and an ok player in SFV is on how long someone has been playing the game and not about skills. That's how easy the game is.

>>361177775
How do you see full lobbies? They don't show up at all for me.

>>361177360
I forgot to erase the 'no excuse' line
I never said it would be easy, or even that ASW has to do it with Xrd, but properly implemented rollback netcode would drastically improve the online experience in their future games for a lot of regions, and I feel they really should look into it, in my admittedly non-technically informed opinion.

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any goobers here?

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>>361177869
You must really feel sorry for me then. I know I do. I tried this long to acquire a taste for shit but I just couldn't.

>>361178008
>The new and improved lobbies?

Oh great. They took the rotten fruit out of the garbage we have to eat.

>>361178185
You're a trooper, anon.

>>361178185
Reminds me of my Dota experience.

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>>361178128
>Thinking the word Goober has any power out of /fgg/
Your out of your element I'm afraid.

>>361178008
those fancy 3d lobbies are a waste of time desu

I'd rather have something faster and more functional

>make GG more accessible
>it's still too hard for capcucks so they shitpost it

you can't make this shit up. that said, sfv is better than blazblue at least, but that's not really saying much.

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>>361178382
there are not many places to goobercucks to go with a population like this

>>361178441
Nips are terrible engineers so instead of actually fixing issues, they just make the interface look as pretty as possible.

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>>361178454
I always wondered how this meme started?

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>>361177627
>BlazBlue
>top anything

>>361178529
what about SFV tho

everything there is ugly and broken

Why is Bedman best boy?

g2a com/guilty-gear-xrd-revelator-deluxe-edition-steam-cd-key-global.html

it's $30 atm if anyone wants to pick it up

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>>361178454
When did you even make this image? An hour after release?

>>361177627
>It has been 3 years straight since GG and BB have been in the top 5 tankings for arcade profit in Japan
BB has been consistently on the top 5 yes, but not GG. Hell, Revelator failed to reach top 5 even in the month it debuted lol

>>361178631
it's true senpai
arcade profit numbers are tracked and and available for everyone

>>361178821
First day sales are the only ones relevant because most of the later sales come from Russia, Brazil, and other nonprofitable regions. Day 1 sales are an indication of western interest.

>>361178851
and, yet, you didn't post them. Go ahead, I'll wait.

>>361178926
Retarded.

You ever have a normal fag roommate and try to play anime games around them?

>>361178631
Gundamn > T7 > BB > GG > Dissidia(?).

>>361179031
Yeah. He asked what it was. I answered, he said "oh ok". Then just did his own thing. While I was playing.

What? You really thought everyone goes "ewwwwwwww"? Jesus.

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>no one posting room id's

the game ain't gonna play itself guys

>>361178942
you could literally type "japan arcade income ranking" on google but I guess I shouldn't expect much from you

http://am-j.co.jp/

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>>361178781
Good Bedman is a blessing to watch.

Also best newcomer theme. Besides Ravens.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UP_ATABkoh8

>>361177891
You're right that it takes getting used to. Would just help a lot if I could find someone around my skill level to play with.

>>361178783
>sounds too good to be true
>it is

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CONVINCE ME NOT TO DO IT

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>>361179152
>1. Gudam
>2. Tekken 7
>3. Dragon Ball Zenkai
>4. USF4
>5. Nesica X Live

You fucking clown.

>>361179384
It's not easy like SFV. I know you guys are just casual really and don't want to learn anymore unlike old times. So yeah. Don't buy it if you don't want to learn.

>>361179384
I don't have to, it's gone already.

>>361179470
It's not about not wanting to learn. I'm a DotA player. It's about not wanting to invest an inordinate amount of time in a game that will quickly become irrelevant in the west.

I'll always have millions of people to play against in DotA. Guilty Gear, on the other hand, tends to go down to 2 digits after a month.

>>361175473
>Why does it have to be so dead?
The price tag, mate

>>361179384
Don't, unless you're planning on playing versus the cpu or begging on discord for matches.

>>361179674
don't expect to be able to play with randoms all the time. You'll enjoy this game a lot more if you have a group of friends to play sets with.

Do you people not have friends to come over and play games together? Are all westerners like this?

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>>361158395
>successful
>has less than half the players than a 'dead' game

>>361179459
>he doesn't know

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>>361180131
>Tfw have friends to play with offline.

>>361180051
But I find it more fun to rise up the ranks vs a large pool of players.

Can anyone explain the reason behind that huge price tag on Relevator? Is it a simple cashgrab or what?

>>361180131
No, we all suffer silent and in isolation.

>>361180314
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_dip
first line, under economics.
yes, console cucks really are this pathetic.

>>361180285
yeah, you'll be disappointed if you're looking to please your e-peen with your online ranking. XRD is one of the best fighters out now but it's also niche, so you'll need a local scene or you'll need some buds online to play with.

Or you can beg on discord or /v/ to get some lobbies going like >>361179931 said.

>>361180314
No one knows for sure. Especially since Sign launched for like $25 with all the DLC included. Might have been greed and it might have been from other reasons. Whatever the case, it will only hurt Arc's sales.

>>361180498
not being competitive is the sign of a nu-male.

>>361180131
>westerners
You mean americans.

What is the entire story of Guilty Gear, thus far?

>>361180554
I mean your competition will come from your pool of players and your scene, not from ranked matchmaking. Nobody cares about rank in GG.

Is Robo-Ky in yet? I wouldn't mind even playing as Robo-Sin if can't get Robo-Ky

>>361180995
that's because it's pointless to apply elo to a population of 5.

>>361157786
it always was even as far back as GG1.

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>>361180968
The pope was the true villain. But Sol beats her. Now him and That Man are going to but heads cause they still have a grudge.

>>361180548
-Sign- was also 2 years old when it launched on PC, Revelator is still almost 60 bucks on PS4.

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>bought Xrd
>didn't play it that much because no time but wanted to at least get more fightan games on PC
>Revelator gets announced, not on PC
>"Why the fuck did I buy Xrd then"
>Revelator on PC now
>$45
>mfw considering it

and SFV season 2 didn't release today either F U C K

>>361181218
$45 is the base edition price. It's missing three characters.

>>361181148
I feel like you left a lot out. Why would Sol be fighting the Pope and why is she a woman?

>>361178092

This is one of the stupidest things I've ever read in regards to a fighting game

>>361181323
Wait so I don't even get girl in robot gouken, Jam or Johnny?

>>361157786
My dick says yes, but my wallet says no.

>>361180968
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvr5VXrDIIQ

>>361181218
g2a det com/guilty-gear-xrd-revelator-steam-cd-key-global.html

base edition is $30 on g2a but i'm in the same position as you. dizzy and kum are shit tier but i still want them.

no one's selling deluxe on g2a as of yet.

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>>361181489
I don't know who's paid and who isn't. I just got the whole shabang.

Robot Gouken (Kum Haehyun) is the shit. He's my main.

>>361181489
DLC is Dizzy, Kum, Raven.

Raven can be acquire with w$ or fishing(gacha type thing with w$)

>>361181389
Because the Pope was the big bad all along and she is a woman because anime.

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>>361181389
Jokes aside it would take forever to explain. But basically That Man has been spedning the whole time trying to stop this malevolent entity know as the Universal Will from destroying humanity. The Will recently took on a human form to better observe humanity and I guess being GG version of the pope just gave her convenient power.

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do you guys have any cool things you made in the digital figure mode? I'm too uncreative to do anything other than "Sol and Ky about to punch each other"

Jam picture to get your attention

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>>361180131
>>361180051
>Having real-life fighting game friends or a local scene
I wish I knew what that felt like

>>361181780
Haehyun for me is the best newcomer.

His moveset is a whole lot better than Raven.

Raven's just, boring.

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>>361180131

Burgerland man here. There's a game shop in a nearby city that holds fight nights. It's tiny since there isn't a big scene here. I've attended a few times but their schedule sometimes conflicts with work. I also have fight nights with friends at my place once or twice a month.

It's really entertaining. Everybody has their favorite title but nobody goes into an autistic rage should SFV, KOF, GG or even BB be played.

I can only assume those that shit talk online are just doing so due to anonymity or due to the fact that online interactions dehumanize communication. I'd wager that if anyone acted like such an elitist cunt in real life they'd have a hard time making or keeping friendships.

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>>361181957
I hate how weeb this story is
>japs are a rare bloodline with mystical powers and are always the good guys
>the bad guys are the evil westerners
>japan literally gets nuked off the face of the earth (feel sorry for hiroshima prease!)
I didn't notice any of this shit before, but the more niche Japanese games I play, the more of this kind of stuff I notice. The Kancolle anime was about USA vs. Japanese warships, except that Japan always won and the bad guys were never explicitly mentioned as American. Every battle was based off of a World War 2 naval campaign and it was just weird as fuck to watch this as someone who was also taking a history class.

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>>361182116

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>>361182116
Haven't gone through the trouble of making them myself. But Digital Figure mode is quite the meme maker.

>>361181957
So here's what the youtube video explained:

>some shit happens and people find magic
>they use the magic to make beasts
>they call the beasts "Gears"
>they fuck it up and have to kill all the Gears
>after they kill them all, the Gear leader Justice goes ham
>gets beaten by Sol
>tournaments get held for no reason afterwards
>this is the premise for guilty gear

>>361182173
>Plays weeb game
>"Oh my god the plot is weeb and the heroes come from the country that the writers are from!"
No shit

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>>361182173
But westerners aren't even really the villains and being a jap is actually more of a chore than anything else in GG.
If you expecting an anime game not to have a weeb story your just setting yourself up for disappointment. Also fighting game stories are silly from the getgo.

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>>361182293
That expalins the beginning story yeah. Though the tournament only applies to the first game. After that it's just the cast fucking around and bumping into each other and occasionally going on a scavenger hunt for Dizzy or Sol.

>>361182173

Japan has always been weird about that. My favorite is when there is a character from the USA and their attire is hilariously patriotic or they just scream engrish.

Would GG be a hard game to get into if you don't have much fighting game experience? I mean I have played them before but I never really mained any character or particularly learned combos or payed much attention to particular moves.

>>361182882
Yes.

But if you plan to play offline or just do single player content, it doesn't matter a whole lot. You can set the difficulty to easy and go ham.

>>361182882
Yes but you can just play Jack-O, Leo, Sol, Ky, or Raven and you'll be fine. Just don't start with someone too technical like one of the assassins unless you want to be bad for a long time.

>>361182882
Its all about putting in time to git gud. -Sign- was the first fighting game I have like over 50 hours in bar shit like Street Fighter 2 or Tekken 2 as a child.

>>361182882
You'll get stomped pretty badly at first, but if you stick with it and put in the effort to learn from your mistakes, it's worth it.

Is May hard for beginners?

I like the otter

>>361183043
>Putting Ky on the list
Just because he has no execution barrier doesn't make him easy to play against a cast that can fuck him over for free on one mistake

He has no damage either man

>>361183043
jack-o is easy?

>>361183362
She's weird for me. I kept getting the charge inputs wrong and doing a half circle move instead and she uses a lot of difficult loops and instant air dashes. I wouldn't say it's easy for me.

Anyone on USEast want to play Revelator?

http://steamcommunity.com/id/shantotto53

>>361182882
That's exactly how I was when I started with PC Sign, I started with Potemkin and by now reached a level where I win most of my matches. Granted I put in hundreds of hours of playtime and watched a ton of Mikado footage.

>>361183585
I would normally say no, but you like FFXI so we're going to play.

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I'm considering buying this just to play as Kum Haehyun even though I'm terrible at fighting games and don't even play Street Fighter V that much

I suppose I'll wait for a sale and hope a 3rd edition doesn't come out

>>361182882
do you have friends to tag along and make the suffering bearable?
this is important when starting your fighting game career

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>>361180968
anon explained it better than I ever could.
See picture

>>361183447
I'm not even saying he's scrubby, just a character that's more obvious how to play and also teaches you how GG is played a bit more. I forgot to put Sol on the list too.

>>361183795
add me

>>361183456
If you're new to fighting games her inputs are very simple. Lots of one button special moves and a unique playstyle with her minion stuff. She also has some pretty good normals with range and low profiling.

>>361184075
He's a little obvious how to play but if you can't 6P well at all you're basically fucked in half the matchups thanks to faultless defense

>>361184208
cool, i'll try her, she looks neat

>>361182173
It's not that Japan hates Westerners (aside from ultra-nationalists, which exist in every country.) It's because Japan got nuked twice, forced to surrender, and then were told to economically/culturally rely on the U.S. The reason the big bad in a lot of JRPG's is "the Church/Pope" is because they're highlighting the dichotomy between what's said, "the church/pope is the way of peace and progress," and what is, "the church/pope is an all-powerful being!"

>>361184271
I guess Ky is a bad recommendation because he said he was new to fightan and Ky requires a bit more fundamentals to succeed with than the other easier characters.

>>361183902
I do, but they are absolutely terrible at fighting games. They don't want to learn and at the state they are at can't consistently pull off a quarter circle no matter how many times I try to teach them.

>>361184580
Did they ever wonder why they got nuked twice?

>>361183997
Thanks for that. What was informative in its own weird way.

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I enjoy both games on individual merits and plan to continue playing both (and Blazblue).

I'd like to play KI but none of my friends are particularly interested.

KoF is a good game, but I'm not dedicated enough to it to get a worthwhile experience out of it. Large cast + needing to play 3 characters is a turn off when you like lots of games and don't have 3 characters that you really love from that particular game.

I don't see a point in trying to tier the current games out because IMO they're all unique enough that they bring different stuff to the table.

That said, I do believe that SFV's netcode really puts a damper on the experience as a whole, my only big complaint about the game.

>>361184876
i got into fighting games because a friend of mine convinced me and two other friends to play with him, we slowly got the hang of it, however, we only play when we get together. Playing FG alone is a pain, specially when startin so i recommend bringing someone along, hell maybe see if there is any local scene around you and ask them to teach you the ropes

http://steamcommunity.com/id/shantotto53
http://steamcommunity.com/id/shantotto53
http://steamcommunity.com/id/shantotto53

Anyone want to play Revelator?

>>361185218
make a room, dumdum

>>361185257
n6i3

useast

>>361179876

It's only £26

Is Jack-O going to be in the next version since she doesn't really exist anymore? And Bedman is dead too.

They're both casual trash who cares

>>361185070
In the same way Americans wonder why they had Japanese internment camps. Which is to say "no," and that a lot of Japanese history books shy away from mentioning Japan's involvement with the Axis Powers.

>>361185568
You look lost mate

>>361185509
Since when did dieing ever stop a fighting game character from reappearing?
That only happens in KoF, and even then they sometimes come back, see Vice and Mature.

>>361185509

Bedman is getting replaced by his sister who has a slight model change. Bedwoman.

>>361185509
GG is not the type of game where characters are actively removed from later entries due to story reasons, unless it's a brand new game, like moving from XXAC+R to Xrd.

>>361185706
Call me when they get rid of danger time and the RC slowdown

GG isn't enjoyable to me when it feels slow

>>361185257
don't know how to chat in the lobby but ggs

>>361186165
Y button brings up a menu with all sorts of stuff, chat and in-character (pre recorded comments per character) chat being among them

anyone revelator?

n6i3
n6i3
n6i3

>>361185820
I bet there will be panty shots

>>361186131
I like Danger Time, but I'm casual scum.

>>361186670
If you play it casually, that's fine and I don't blame you.

It's a fun series but I had to move on from it because there isn't enough competition in my opinion. and that's more important to me than story / extras at this point.

I tried to play Sin before but I couldn't really get the hang of the character. I have trouble pressuring people and getting good combos started. And he's supposed to be the easiest character in the game.

>>361186961
What exactly did you move onto though, there's no better fighting game out right now, or did you mean you stopped playing fighting games completely?

>>361157786
Always was

>>361186406
You neglected to post both the platform and the region.

>>361186406
did you take down the room or something?
I'm trying to search it on PC rev and nothing is coming up.

>>361187203
I stopped playing completely a few months ago. I'll occasionally play ST but that's still pretty rare at this point.

I'll probably jump back in for Tekken 7 but my outlook is pretty pessimistic at this point.

Xrd wouldn't be so bad but I can't find games even if I go online. There's no chance for me to improve at the rate I'd want to unless I drive 4 hours to NY every weekend

>>361187203
Not him but it doesn't matter how good a fighting game is if nobody is around to play it with

That is the problem with lesser known fighting games, you need competition to bring the game out to its fullest

>>361186989
Sin is pretty mediocre when it comes to opening people up. Have to play patient and wait for an opening. Once you get it though, he can wreck.

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Holy shit these voice recordings... why

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Is Ramlethal good? Considering buying this game to waifufag?

>>361187597
>Buying a fighting game to waifufag
Unless it's Chun Li it will never pan out the way you'd want it to

Ramlethal can win but she's not good.
She's also not that easy to use.

>>361187541
>the VA talks just like his character
He's just joking about the story right? It has to be a white lie, that's what Ky would do.

>>361187436
>>361187469

That's a shame, it's plenty alive in Europe and Russia.

Even in my shit country I have a couple of guys at the local scene that I can play it with on a weekly basis.