Obsidian are making a Pathfinder isometric RPG after Tyranny

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They should have made a Fantasy Mech Isometric RPG game instead.

>Obsidian are making a Pathfinder isometric RPG

hot opinions there anon

>turn-based
>turn-based
>turn-based
>please

I hope they show the results later.

I roll cleric 80% of the time, and the other times rogue/fighter type. I sure hope they do Cleric justice.

>>355220586
Wish it was Exalted instead.

>>355220728
You're making me miss front mission 3

>>355220656

>As well, there's too hefty a punishment for losing soldiers. The best thing xcom did was making everything dependent on the character equipment, with stats only having a minor influence. This allowed you to quickly replace any given loss and allowed me to be more liberal with how I played. Losing 3 guys wasn't a big deal.

Yeah I know what you mean, but this was somewhat amended in Long War which urged you to fill your roster. Then completely forgotten about in NuCOM 2 which leads you to develop 1-2 superstar squads that wipe everything.

>nucom should have stuck to physics-based projectiles instead of pure RNG rolls, too

Between-leg shots but also headshots. A fine line.

>>355220420
Yes, right, a WoD CRPG. You're fucking retarded if you want this. A ruleset that is mostly about characters, story and how to fuck over everyone you meet would be terrible for a party based RPG. The betrayal feature would be underused or extremely underdeveloped with throw-away companions.

>>355220728
>RPG game

>>355220586
I really don't see any appeal in a pathfinder game, honestly.
D&D in general is about as generic as it fucking gets in the RPG world.

Would prefer something like eclipse phase.

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Obsidian is legally compelled to make an isometric RPG based on the last piece of media you viewed, listened to or read.

How screwed are they financially?

>>355220270
>Isometric RPGs are incomparably better at representing tabletop sensibilities than any other RPG genre.

Don't like those to begin with.
It's purpose is socializing a fantasy world which defeats the purpose of a fantasy world to begin with.

>>355220504
>To be fair, I too would really want to see a full 3D RPG that switches to an overhead tactical view for its turn-based combat.

One or the other works best for a fantasy world I reckon, switching would just pull you out every time.

>>355220586
>its another fucking fantasy game
Fuck off.

>isometric RPG

Fuck this, the only recent game of that kind that was good enough was Underrail. I want first person party RPGs with no tilebased bullshit.

#killwhitey

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>>355221119
>stoner metal rpg
>mfw

>>355221217
An RPG based on GURPS Illuminati would be pretty good.

>>355221119
>Origins of modern terrorism from post-revolutionary France.

mite b kewl

>>355220586
please, no more dragons, knights, elves and wizards. There's so many settings to explore and make fantasy games about, and devs keep coming back to Tolkien high fantasy.

>>355221217
>last media you viewed
Good for you Anon

You know what I'm sick of?

All decisions/story branches being clearly telegraphed dialogue options on a tree rather than decided by player actions and or player success/failure.

Where are the games that don't just end because you failed to do something but actually make winning and losing certain battles or overcoming/failing to overcome certain obstacles branch points rather than

>"Chosen player character hero man what will do you?"
>Be heroic
>Be a dick
>Be smug but ultimately heroic

>Obsidian are making a Pathfinder isometric RPG after Tyranny
Not necessarily, calm your horses.
>Probably already working on it
Unlikely. They have a team finishing up Tyranny and another team working on Pillars of Eternity 2. At best they're in pre-production.

>>355221214
This

I don't understand the appeal of such restrictive rpg systems, Either I'll just read a good book if I want to visualize it all myself or give me a huge 3d world full of danger, mystery and beauty to delve into. This in-between stuff fails to appeal after 1999.

>>355221397
it's what the plebs think they want apparently

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>You want good fun game?
>Haha, fuck you, have subpar isometric high fantasy rpg instead

>>355221119
>Evil dead
Will be hard to make it work, and they might not make it humorous enough, but it ia definitely interesting.

>>355221581
>restrictive

literally what

>Pathfinder

Disgusting.

>>355220586
Wasn't Paizo trying to do some MMO a couple years back? Did they (correctly) scrap the idea and fold it into an RPG?

>>355221441
Banner Saga 2 seemed like it actually did that a little bit.

Not enough for my tastes, but it was clearly going for having to live with your decisions, good or bad, and that ultimately having an influence - not just in the story, but the gameplay as well.

Still, it was telegraphed and you could largely reload saves if you didn't like the outcomes.

I think that can in part be avoided by not making every fucking situation into "good outcome and bad outcome". Sometimes a good decisions is bad at first, and good later - or vice versa. Sometimes it really just doesn't ultimately matter. Sometimes it's good or bad depending purely on your point of view (and this easily introduces character development / conflict with the characters in the story).

>>355221441
so you want to lose battles and not die

>>355221794

Nah, it's beeng transferring to a new dev since March 2016

>>355221119
>Master and Margarita RPG
Shouldn't it be more of a VN?

>The Residents - Roadworms
Fucked up and surreal theology? I'm in.

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Is anyone else having fantasy fatigue? I like PoE but the setting didn't captivate me and it eventually got boring. Some of the stuff listed on the survey like cyberpunk, historical, Savage Worlds, and World of Darkness seemed like it'd be a much better choice. I just don't want fucking elves and dwarves again unless it's Shadowrun

>>355221794
MMORPG's just plain don't work.

MMO anything else seems to have a good run. At least, every MMOFPS I've played has been genuinely pretty damn fun, with a focus on actual player skill rather than beta nu-male stats decide everything bullshit so even totally inept morons can compete fairly, completely dulling the fun and competitive nature of it.

>>355221895
What about a game where you can lose battles AND die?

>>355222134
Planescape?

>>355221984
I've been having 'fantasy fatigue' for about 10 years now. fantasy games can still be good, but it always detracts from them

>>355221441
Gothic, my friend. Humans beat you up and take your stuff, but don't kill you without a reason.

>>355221692

A 3d rpg would be: Everything is set and visualized for you, only thing left is to explore it and progress in the story. This is good if it is compelling, interesting and immersive.
It's a fully cooked meal as it were.

A book lets you visualize and imagine the whole thing playing as out described, it's a description of a meal if you will.

This kind of game is 50/50 of the above, a 'fill in the blank options within all my arbitrary restrictions and system rules forced on you' type of rpg/fantasy world.

It just doesn't appeal.

>>355222134
isn't that every game ever?

>>355220586

did you guys know obsidian published a port of the pathfinder card game? i've been playing it and it's pretty fun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsTo8Pbu9po

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>>355220586
Paizo should've just went ahead with that Pathfinder cartoon instead like they've been talking about doing for a while, where the artstyle is lifted directly from their books and would follow several of the Adventure Paths like Council of Thieves, Serpent's Skull, Reign of fucking Winter, etc with a new party in each. But no, now we get yet another NWN clone being made because we haven't had 20 of those already. Wasted fucking potential of the licensing.

I don't want Obsidian to waste their time doing a licensed game. I'm sick of licensed games. I'm sick of Obsidian being shackled to licenses.

They can do a Cyberpunk game, an Alternative History game, a Scifi game, even a fucking Steampunk game. Just don't have it tied to a license.

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>>355221119
>The Wheel of Time
They'd fit right in and make bank from me buying it

HOW DO I TELL THESE FUCKS THE REASONS I HATE ISOMETRIC RPGS IS THAT YOU MAKE UNLIMITED OPTIONS FOR CHARACTER BUILDS AND 90% OF THEM WILL FUCK ME HARD UNLESS I FUCKING LOOK IT UP BEFORE I START.

>>355221984
I've said before, I'd like to see eclipse phase or similar - post apocalyptic earth that is completely cut off from contact with everyone else by a string of killsats designed to keep the apocalyptic cthulhu-esque AI's contained on the planet. (Survivors, good luck on the surface!) with inner and outer system politicking and squabbling between political entities and hypercorporations, no FTL travel - except by pandora gates, which lead you-don't-fucking-know-where-and-usually-it-isn't-good so you get some stargate fun on top of the politics, cyberpunk, and fallout gameplay.

Just the general concept is fantastic because it gives you so many independent hooks to play with - Gatecrashing and exploring completely alien worlds, trying to find habitable planets or explore alien ruins (you never find any living aliens). Or you're a survivor on the surface struggling to rebuild some semblance of society while avoiding or fighting technological horrors and environments. Or you're involved in hypercorp espionage and competition like it's shadowrun in space.

It's great for that. It's what I'd wished Destiny had gone towards instead of what they actually did.

>>355221119

>Fringe

Mite b cool

>>355221119
>last game I played is Icewind Dale
>last video I watched is about anime girls drifting with tanks
>last music was eurobeat
They can only profit.

>>355221119

A documentary on mk ultra

Shut up and take my money

>>355222198
There's not enough environmental storytelling in RPG's

Morrowind was pretty good at environmental storytelling.

>>355222820
Hard to imagine better honestly. The only scifi I'd rather pick would probably be Babylon 5.

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Still waiting on that Dark Heresy RPG

It wasnt even in the "Other" section for table top games, shit sucks

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I just want more shit like Alpha Protocol
Why Obsidian, why?

>>355222947
40 gay more like

warhams pls go

>>355222947
I want Warhammer Fantasy. I know everybody is tired of high fantasy, but if they did it with the low-fantasy, historical atmosphere of the tabletop RPG it would be great.

>>355221119
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbLbT5lTr8Q

okay

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http://poal.me/jff5df

Just to see what /v/ is interested in.

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>>355220586
>tfw Pathfinder game is actually the Unreal engine project with Tim Cain and Boyarsky

Looked at the survey hopefully they don't.

I really would rather they went for something original, but in sense owning their own IP, and not feeling derivative.

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>>355223358

>>355220586
>There hasn't been a Dragonlance video game since the early 90s.

Life is cruel.

>>355220586
Why can't we have a dark/grey fantasy setting that's actually (mostly) sensible, instead of the needless grimdark of say, A Song of Ice and Fire?

Something like the Malazan setting, or to a lesser extend the Black Company, would be cool.

>>355222767
>eclipse phase
Might be cool. I'm only vaugly familer with the setting but from what I know it seems like it'd make a good game

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>>355220586
>"You will look at a series of images for each and determine which you prefer in terms of a tone for the game"

>>355222649
There is a Wheel of Time fps. It's shit.

Also I like the lore and the world of WoT but holy shit is Jordan's writing bad.

>caring about the setting this much

It's not magically going to turn a bad game into a good one, m8s.

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>>355224008
>mfw Jordan won't stop describing le medieval township while ignoring character development or furthering the narrative

>>355220767
I'm with you on this.
I want some fuckin Fallout 1/2 type combat system with multiple characters.
Just copy it from Wastelands 2 if you have to.

Why can't it be some of the crazier niche stuff?

Tribe8? Ars Magica? Brave New World? Eclipse Phase? Amber? Unknown Armies?

I mean, if they want to go for a license, given the huge creativity in tabletop, why go for the stuff that will make them look like any other of their competitors at best?

>>355224117
No, but if the setting of PoE had been more interesting and atmospheric it would have turned an okay game into a very good one.

>>355221119
How do you make a hentai porn rpg

>>355221119
>The Name of the Wind and The Wise Man's Fear
This can turn out either really good or really shit.

>Obsidian will go out of business in your lifetime
thank G-d
maybe Bethesda will go too

>>355224430
in rpgmaker usually

>>355224125
>>355224008
>>355222649

You guys do know that Obsidian were contacted by the rights holders of Wheel of Time about making an RPG for it right?

Apparently the other company ran out of money and couldn't afford to fund Obsidian, but Obsidian were totally up for it if the funding was available. I think the rights will probably run out soon though.

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>>355224151
Fucking this.

I mean, you already made your high fantasy RPG with PoE, why do it again?

>>355224430
>Make a Fortitude save to prevent cumming too early

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>>355224151
I'm surprised no one made a Tékumel game yet. It inspired Morrowind, the guy who made it converted to Islam, and it's progressive enough to earn brownie points. Really, what's not to love?

did obsidian just decide to pick the publisher with a fucking poll

>Pathfinder CCG/MMORPG edited by my.com or tencent

fuck no

>Which tabletop world do you want to be made into a video game
>GURPS
>FATE
I don't think Obsidian knows what those are.

Although I'd still prefer a game with GURPS as the underlying system instead of D20. Too bad SJG are a bunch of jews.

>>355224663

Very cool setting too.

I hate how everyone is speaking as if Obsidian is actually confirmed for working on Pathfinder. They haven't even finished Tyranny yet and the other guys are working on Pillars of Eternity 2. Calm your asses down.

>>355224663

Did it really inspire Morrowind? The art style and colors there remind me of the loading screens at least

>>355224663
>If you’ve never encountered Tékumel before, you’ve stumbled upon an entire world the equal of Tolkien’s Middle-earth in detail and wonder: thousands of years of history, entire languages, rich cultures, unique creatures, bloody conflicts and fascinating mysteries.
Man does that kill any desire I have of learning about it.

>>355224725
When asking what franchise should be made into an RPG I said Malazan series

>>355224151
On the opposite end of the spectrum, why did nobody ever make a 4e vidya? I mean, everyone claimed it was D&D vidya edition but the most obvious thing in the world (a top-down turn-based dungeon crawler using 4e rules) never came to be. I wonder why.

>>355221650
>implying a high fantasy rpg isn't fun

They can build upon what they learned after PoE. It's gonna be great.

>>355224597
>Red dragon sex lasts for two days.

>>355224893
Atari was sitting on the license and disallowing anyone from using it for any actual system-based games and the lawsuit to make them fuck off only went through after 4E died.

>>355224597
>he hasn't played ADWS
Only the dead can know peace.

>>355224703
Nah, presumably it's to gauge people's taste so if you put down Bethesda or Blizzard they know just to ignore your survey.

>>355224869
>Malazan series
Good taste.

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WFRP is a good game. It is a good that I like very much. It is not as absurd or fantastical as the strategy battle game. It has a grim historical atmosphere, which is very good. You can even die if you are thrown by your horse. That is good realism. This is why I would like to see a game made of it, Obsidian. Thank you for your consideration. Have a good day.

>>355224730
Yeah, it's fucking neat. And it has like 15 actually developed conlanges. I especially love the one 50 page long document explaining the Sunúz language. Crazy stuff.

>>355224801
Yep. The art you see there was actually done by Michael Kirkbride. It was among his first jobs as a freelancer, some years before he joined Bethesda. If you are familiar with both the influence is incredibly obvious.

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>>355221119
>Black Company RPG

It's about God damned time.

>Tfw fighting at the Battle of Charm
>Tfw getting comfy with your bros and plowing whores

>>355221119
>pathfinder

kek

>>355224430
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/FATAL
replace everything with anime and its practically what you would want

>>355223358
So do you guys like Dark Fantasy or Low Fantasy?

They're not the same thing. Dark Fantasy is fantasy with horror elements while Low Fantasy means the world follows rational laws of causality like the real world rather than fantasy laws like in high fantasy.

It's like Dark Souls vs Mount and Blade. They're not the same thing.

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>>355220586
>chose "Contemporary" for setting
>typed "needs more waifus" in every open question

Well, I did my part. Too bad the art style section didn't allow type-in answers, I'd have educated them on the superiority of the anime style.

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>>355221119
>Sailor Moon

>>355225617

Remove the crude racism though. I don't want my violent rape sims to be all creepy and problematic.

>>355226335
anime racism is fine.

>>355221416
>>355221330
Kek, janitor got triggered

>>355221119
>Top-down RPG based on Grave of the Fireflies

The funny part is that this could almost work if they got Avellone to write it.

>setting: post-nuke Japan, everything's gone to hell
>goal: just survive

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myfarog vidya when

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>pathfinder

I grew up playing games like baldur's gate, but isometric rpgs and wrpgs in general have so many fundamental flaws and the devs don't seem to even be aware of them.

first of all the the combat is almost always terrible, with an overly complex magic system and far too simplistic everything else. real time with pause is complete garbage. they should be trying to copy turn based tactics games like jagged alliance or srpgs, not adapting a terrible patch for the worst edition of a poorly designed tabletop game.

most importantly though is the fact that the obsession with player choice sucks depth out of every aspect of the game. instead of complex and developed characters you have a player character that acts like cardboard cutout, and npcs that only talk to you when they want you to do a sidequest. instead of actual story progression where one thing leads to another, you have a series of quest hubs where you forget about the plot until you finish doing chores for everyone in town.

instead of making a game that's actually good, devs are too concerned with making a game hits the checklist of what neckbeard rpg fans think a "real rpg" should be like.

>>355226073
The two can overlap though.

>>355221119
>Mutants & Masterminds
Yes.

>>355226625
No shit, Sci-Fi and Fantasy can overlap but they're still not the same thing.

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>Dark Fantasy / Low Fantasy

>>355221119
>Heart of Darkness
it could work really well actually

>>355226227
I did the same thing, Obsidian make the best waifus in the business.
Anime artstyle a shit, though.

>>355226908
that's a good meme

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>>355220586
>>which RPG setting would you want to see an isometric CRPG based on?

I wish I had thought of Paranoia before I clicked "send".

>>355227023
I wish I had thought of world of darkness, I literally left it blank

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>>355220728
>>355220586

fuck that, they need to make an RPG in a post-apocalyptic setting like pic related

>Please remember that the following survey was meant specifically for you. Please do not share the link publicly or among friends.
cheeky, op

>>355227190
does that mean the game turns to shit when guns show up

>>355226073

I like Erotic Fantasy.

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>>355224858
Mate, you have no idea. This shit has several thousand pages worth of lore just from the creator answering questions through the newsletter on a regular basis for decades that never even made it into any book. The fanbase tried to organize it into something manageable, and they actually created a lot of fan lore collection pdfs, There is one pdf that tried to catalogue the most important persons of the setting and it's almost 300 pages.

>>355227168
...you couldn't think of a single setting?

>>355227204
>Please do not share the link
>shares it anyway

Who /devilish/ here?

>>355227345

I left it blank too. I could think of tons right now, but at the moment I just wanted to go forward with the story.

>>355224663
>the guy who made it converted to Islam

dropped

explain Pathfinder to someone who barely knows how D&D works

>>355227613
It's kind of like dnd 3.5.

>>355227613
from the way ive seen things explained it's just an offshoot of an earlier version of D&D by people who didnt like the new version

>>355227613
It's literally D&D 3.5 without officially having the cool shit from it like Tome of Battle or psionics.

>>355227613
pathfinder is basically dnd but with some rule changes and different additions

>>355227613
Do you know about 20 sided dice?

For those who missed gay9s stream and don't want to shell out 5 bucks to watch the VOD.
https://www.twitch tv/paradoxinteractive

>>355221119
>Star Wars Rouge One trailer
Yea it's gonna be shit

I'm 2 years into the Rise of the Runelords campaign, only like 6 months left and I think we'll finally beat it ^_^

I want dark fantasy/apocalyptic setting. Akin to Dark Souls, Berserk, or a sci-fi Dune/cyberpunk setting. High fantasy is a dime a dozen now.

>>355227572
Well, he is already dead, if that makes you feel any better.

>>355227613
It's like a chinese imitation of a piece of shit

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>>355221006
I just hope it is not based on any module by Amber Scott or some one like her.

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/4d45tn/amber_scott_writer_for_the_new_baldurs_gate_has/

>>355220586
WAIT WHAT ABOUT THE WOD GAME PARADOX IS HIRING THEM TO DO

>>355221119

The Turin Horse... they're fucked.

>>355222741
Being able to do a ton of builds is one of the most fun things about these games you dolt.

And you'll only get fucked hard if you pay absolutely no attention to what you're doing when picking out stats and feats. Even if you are like the absolute worst player at the game you could compensate by picking up the side characters and having a bigger party.

Also not sure what your general preferences are for building a character, but it's pretty hard to mess up a human fighter assuming you actually read skills before picking them.

It is kind of easy to fuck up mages if you don't know anything and don't experiment, especially early on.

>>355227526
Ah, that's fair enough anon.
I only put down the Malazan setting

>>355227613
D&D 3.5.5
They already had D&D 3.5, which worked but had so much content and a really steep class tier list if you were into powergaming; so when D&D got revamped into 4th Edition it was made simpler with drastically different mechanics for everything from classes to feats to combat.
So people got mad, and decided to make a version of 3.5 that was interesting and better-balanced.
Who knows if they succeeded, but they made my favourite class ever, so who fucking cares

>>355228235
I make characters with max charisma and persuasion to get every option to resolve issues. Balancing that and arbitrary difficultly levels though is next to impossible when I play.

>>355228235
>but it's pretty hard to mess up a human fighter
"Fighter gets lots of feats, that means I can take Weapon Finesse and be a fencer earlier and better than other classes!"

>>355226908
What's wrong with Low Fantasy?

When did that get edgy?

>>355224993
A lot of what Obsidian did with PoE makes me think they'd do wonders with a 4e D&D vidya.

>>355228178
who wrote that?

>>355228291
PF is definitely not better balanced than 3.5.

>>355221119
>family fued
Would you play the family or Steve Harvey

>>355228397
4E wouldn't adapt to RTwP well at all, though.

>>355228182
It's been a year since anyone talked about the project, fuck, it's not even formally announced. Even if, Obsidian don't have the time, manpower or budget to make a AAA first person RPG. CRPGs are their bread and butter now. They're cheap to make, can be handled by a team of 10-30 people and quick to pump out.

>>355221315
Proceed the weedian

>>355228343
Assuming you mean in fantasy rpgs, bards, paladins, and sorcerers all do well and aren't over complicated. Maybe not sorcerer if you don't have knowledge of the spells in the game, but bards tend to be decent, and paladins are often very strong if you're ok with the alignment thing.

>>355228371
I like to assume most people aren't this level of stupid. Finesse can be ok, but I pretty much never go that route, especially on pure fighters.

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>>355228415
http://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Amber_E._Scott

>>355228461
Oh, I know, but it removed the one loophole/mistake in my favourite class that a DM would use to fuck you over every time so I'm willing to forgive it a little.
Namely, Balance checks for Frenzied Berserkers

>>355221119
>Sonic comics
kekekekeekkekeekeke

>>355228617
>I like to assume most people aren't this level of stupid.
The problem is that it's NOT a stupid assumption until you know which styles of combat and feats are traps and which aren't. There's no reason to assume that being Zorro is a bad option by default in a game that purports to support all styles of play.

>>355225434
You might be interested in this game called Tyranny, which is 99% inspired by Black Company.

>>355228291
>drastically different mechanics

It looks that way at first glance, but honestly the core mechanics are basically the same (d20 rolls, AC, Ability Scores, et.al.).

At the very least they aren't nearly as huge as the difference from AD&D to 3e was.

>>355228534
That would have to go, but frankly I wouldn't miss it a bit.

>>355228178
ohhh boy. this is going to be fun.

>>355227190
Why not both? Post-apocalyptic fantasy mech isometric RPG.

The mechs are relics from before the apocalypse that sent everyone back to the stone age. No one know who or what made them or even how they really work. They super advanced machine of war beyond anyone who's currently living's comprehension. They're rare now and passed down like lordships usually accompanied by wealth and titles. They are not only a symbol of royal might but a manifestation of it. Getting your mech trashed is like having your entire fief destroyed.

I could see it working desu.

>>355229076
sounds like battlemech desu

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>>355227613
DnD but everything is open licensed. For example: Beholders, Mindflayers, and Displacer Beasts are trademarked DnD creations, but in Pathfinder they're either replaced with carbon copies or there are "unofficial" conversions of them available online.

>>355227717
Pathfinder has psionics in one of the splats

Is it multiplayer?

>>355228942
4E was pretty clearly built to address the flaws of 3E and was built off of the backs of late 3E subsystems as it was. It's not that different from playing a highly expanded ToB.

>>355227613
Everyone is saying it's similar to 3.5 but since you specifically said you barely know how D&D works, I'll give you a crash course.

The game consists of a few players and one DM. You pick a character that is relevant to the DM's world. Maybe a half-orc wizard or a gnome monk, it's completely up to you. D&D is basically a ruleset to make the roleplaying work. It gives you classes, abilities that the classes have as they level up, monsters, loot, basic rules, etc. You can add, remove, or change any of these as you see fit. The DM is there to guide you and your travelling companions through your story, using whatever supplements necessary.

"As you follow the well-worn road, you notice a cavern and inside it, a faint flicker of light and shadows moving past it. What do you do?"

Maybe the wizard will cast mage hand to faintly illuminate the cavernous walls?
Maybe the rogue will stealth and sneak on inside?
Maybe he will instead closely examine the entrance for traps?
Perhaps the druid will look for footprints or any signs of life?
Or maybe everyone will just walk inside, doing none of the above?

So, the DM guides the players through the game and they experience it themselves. A lot of stuff is improv, and oftentimes players find solutions to problems that you never would've thought of. Hell, maybe the players decide to avoid the dungeon, only to find themselves in a city slaughtered by cave dwellers weeks later? It's a great game and you should try it out.

>>355228889
Sadly it's not yet out.

Plus there's no option to marryKyros so there's no point.

Plus you're not really a mercenary.

>>355229187
That's third party, not official. So is Path of War.

>>355222947
Dark Heresy is going to stop being in print soon, Games Workshop cut their ties with Fantasy Flight Games so that they could focus on making their own specialist games again.

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>>355229196
GET OUT

>>355228178
So that explains why people were shitting on the "new" Baldur's Gate content so hard

>>355229397
>marry Kyros
Are you gay, son?

>>355229387
that doesn't really say anything about pathfinder, that's basically just about TTRPGs in general

>>355228182
They weren't hiring Obsidian, they were just thinking about it since it's where a lot of the old Troika devs hopped to after Activision diablerized them. I really hope they don't go through with it, because while Obsidian can make good stories they aren't in the mood to make anything other than cRPGs, and I'd rather have something more in line with what Bloodlines was instead.

Going weird hybrid, CthulhuTech?

>>355229757
Apparently Kyros keeps switching fucking genders so Hell if I know.

Point is there's no Lady to get laid with.

>>355228461
Yet it's better than the horseshit that 4e was, which is why it gained so much popularity

>>355230018
Sacred Geometry.

>>355229150
Yeah but think more castles and normal armies of dudes with swords for most of the fighting. No one wants to get their mechs trashed and for most encounters sending in the troops with fire and sword is far less costly. It's just when two nations are warring and shit gets dire do they roll out the mechs.

Society hasn't progressed back to the point of guns and most ammunition has been long since spent. Only melee and a few energy weapons and maybe a few cannons here and there persist. Everyone is still in the feudal hereditary monarchy mode. A working scavenged gun like the mechs are rare as fuck and highly prized and only given to lords and royal guard types even in an elite unit you might have a single laser rifle mixed into the heavy knights.

You could also have remnants of genetic fuckery and biological weaponry in form of monsters that attack people which a normal army is no match for. So you can have your weird monsters showing up to kill people and that giant monster only a mech can fight.

I dunno thinking about the possibilities is kinda cool desu.

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I want a Discworld RPG.

>>355230174
I suggested just this in the survey. There was a great thread on Discworld last week around here somewhere....

Could be fun....

>>355230174

I think the setting lends itself more gracefully to the point&click genre.

>>355229995
At this point I wonder if they are going to pull some complete bullshit, like Kyros is actually a dragon, or I don't know.

>>355221984
Yup. There are so many genres besides fantasy that are worth exploring.

>>355230313
Apparently Kyros isn't even going to be seen, so it really doesn't matter.

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>>355230174
>>355230249
>>355230298
It wouldn't do the series justice what with Terry gone.
His daughter has long proven that she is incapable of carrying on the legacy with the same quality, that's why she dumped it altogether.

>>355230619
goddamn horseface

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>>355221119

Anarchy Reigns Isometric strategy RPG.

Goddamn fuck yes, the world is left open enough for Obsidian to actually kind of do whatever they want.
Besides, by the end of the game you pretty much have a party anyway.

The exaggerated silhouettes of the characters in Anarchy Reigns would also work really well from an isometric perspective.

Obsidian pls.

>>355230619
I know... I know, but I do think an Isometric RPG could be done well with that IP.

>>355221119
>Documentary on Hitler's ideal Germany and all the crazy stuff he was building before WW2

mite b kewl

>>355230313
>>355230508
I'd marry a dragon
I wonder if you'll get the option to act like everything you do is because you're in hopeless love with Kyros.
That'd be a nice touch, instead of the usual 'everyone's in love with the PC' approach.

I just want my Dune rpg, am I asking too much?

>>355221119
>Shadowrun

Well it's been done already, but I'd love to see Obsidian take a crack at it too.

>>355229342
4E was clearly a shameless cashgrab by WotC trying to cash in on the MMO craze, which is why for the first time in history, some nobody third party outsold the D&D brand on a D&D game.

>>355231154
>some nobody third party outsold the D&D brand on a D&D game.
After Mike Mearls deliberately tried to kill the game with Essentials and the murder suicide that stopped the VTT it was marketed around.

>>355231154
Yeah, turn-based RPGs played on a grid are totally similar to MMOs.

>>355226073
what would it be if I wanted rational laws of causality with horror elements?

modern rpg games have litte roleplaying in them they're mostly stat rolling games

>love isometric RPGs
>hate Pathfinder with a fiery passion

feels conflicted

ffs Wizards of the Coast just let them make an Eberron or Dark Sun game

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>>355220586
>Pathfinder

Nice

>>355232115
Dark/Low Fantasy

>>355221119
>Bojack Horseman
Don't know how it would work, but I would buy it.

>>355220586
so, they're going to make a buggy unfinished fantasy game with shitloads of invisible walls and more text than actual gameplay? gee fucking whiz, i'm excited

>>355232241
You have never played a classic RPG and probably think Fallout is oldschool

>>355232326
thanks man.

>>355231575
And giving everyone powers and designated party roles.

>>355232576
Holy shit, you're fucking stupid.

>>355232416

Another anon here, but I have been playing tabletop since the Red Box, and I find Fallout is old school enough.

>>355220586
So my GM gave me as loot some of those sticky vents octopussies have in their tentacles.

What can I do with this, /v/? Any ideas?

>>355232290
We're lucky they're letting them adapt anything other than straight Forgotten Realms, really.
I'll never forgive them for forcing Obsidian to change 2 and especially MotB

>>355232727
What'd they change?

>>355232715
>tabletop since the Red Box
Irrelevant. Oldschool is Wizardry and Ultima. Fallout barely qualifies for /vr/ status

>>355223358
I didn't realize there was so much demand for a straight up sci-fi Isometric RPG.

I figured most people would gravitate toward the space wizards with laser swords of Science Fantasy before they went straight up Science Fiction since Science Fantasy would allow you to carry over the typical fantasy character archetypes like warrior/commando, wizard/jedi and rogue/smuggler.

It'd be kinda weird having an Isometric RPG where everyone is using laser guns to fight.

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>>355220586
>playing games to have fun
Absolutely Disgusting.

>>355233026

Irrelevant for you I guess. If you think the purpose of cRPGs is the emulation of tabletop RPG in computer form - and given the name, I think you should, I would say a game like Wizardry (however much I like it) is barely deserving of the name, if at all. While a game like Fallout reached the point where, yes, we were getting at something.

>>355233065
I don't think it'd be any weirder than stuff like wasteland and fallout using guns. The best aspect of Sci Fi is how open it is to interpretation, the same could be said about fantasy but it seems like a lot of people fall back on d&d and tolkien rather than innovate.

I'd like to see a sci fi isometric game that isn't heavily influenced or dictated by standard genre tropes a lot. If you pushed the hard sci fi aspects which I think obsidian could do fairly decently, there's pretty much limitless potential to where you could go with it.

As I said, I guess fantasy/science fantasy has the option of branching out as well, but I'm just not very sold on the idea that it wouldn't end up being the same tropes and archetypes that show up in every game of that ilk

>>355233143
>implying fun isn't highly subjective and useless as a descriptive term

>>355220586
why does this keep mentioning game of thrones as being dark or gritty?
it's bullshit soap opera porn with some heavy gore thrown in occasionally in an attempt to shock people
i like gritty when it's done the 40k way, but not like modern television

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>>355220586
>mfw poll shuts me out early because I'm "obviously not the target audience"

>>355233867
>I don't like PnP or Isometric RPGs
>WHY DOESN'T THIS SURVEY WANT MY OPINIONS

>>355224464
WHERE IS THE FUCKING THIRD BOOK?

>>355233859
>says that GoT is shallow when 40k is literally just a neat aesthetic over the most pathetic teenage action porn in existence

kill yourself

>>355233859
I imagine because it's a reference point that people would immediately understand. I mean, wasn't the fucking dark knight up there too? I wouldn't exactly call that a good example of something dark or gritty either

>>355233859
>i like gritty when it's done the 40k way
40k isn't gritty. It used to be a grimdark parody, but now it's just stupid.

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>>355221119
>Mirai Nikki

I rather have a Telltale game based on that

>>355233859

Haven't seen the tv show, but I think the book deserve gritty. Nor particularly good, but gritty is fair.

>>355234264
I'd fuck with that, would be a lot more interesting than most of the properties telltale works with

>>355234113
I don't like 40k either, but it's still not wrong

>>355221119
>Seinfeld
So a game about nothing?

>>355234468

Both are shit, that's the point I was making.

>>355233859
This. Hard to make a choice because I like Gritty fantasy games, but I don't like Game of thrones which is literally meme trash and hardly fucking dark at all.

Devs should honestly kill themselves for this. I like Warhammer, not GoT.

>>355234376
It would be on par with Wolf Among Us, telltale needs to go back to Niche properties instead of fucking Batman and Minecraft.

>>355221119
Perdito Street Station?
That sounds absolutely rad as fuck.

>>355234050
I like both though. Why would I open the poll if I wasn't interested, you silly?

All I told it was that I haven't played fucking Diablo or Baldur's Gate recently.

>>355232576
>and designated party roles.
You literally described D&D.

>>355234636
>kill yourself
I see.

>>355234061
He set the bar too high with his last book. The third book will take forever.

Expect that fat fuck George R.R. Martin to finish his book first.

>>355232837
There were a few things, but the two that stand out are that Safiya and Gann were made heterosexual-only love interests instead of bi, because 'no gay people in muh Forgotten Realms', and the fact that the player doesn't get an opportunity to even try to tear down the Wall of the Faithless or oppose Kelemvor, even if you've spent the whole game sympathising with Kaelyn and telling her you'll do just that - because WotC didn't want to have ANY game make major changes to the setting or cosmology, instead of just, y'know, declaring it wasn't part of the broader canon.

I don't give a shit about Gann (average LI at best) but Safiya is one of the best love stories told in vidya and there's no reason she shouldn't be into you regardless of gender since you were literally made for each other, after all.

I still love the game, and I love the story, but because of how amazing it is I would've loved to see what Obsidian would've done if they had the freedom to approach the narrative the way they originally wanted to. The fact that you can't destroy the wall adds a bittersweet touch to almost all of the endings, especially if you're best friends with Kaelyn, but imagine if they gave you the option of gaining the strength to tear it down, and right injustice... but doing so required you to accept the Spirit-Eater powers like you do in the evil ending, and turn yourself into an abomination?

Plus, I think Kaelyn was originally intended to be romanceable, but I don't know if that was an internal decision or cut for time.

>>355234145
This. It's about tone, not themes or quality.

>>355234705
I agree on both accounts.

>>355234815
>All I told it was that I haven't played fucking Diablo or Baldur's Gate recently
It didn't ask you if you played them recently, only if you have ever played them.

The next question was how many times have you beaten those games.

Learn to fucking read retard, it never said recently.

>>355221119
>The Whisperer in the Dark
That could be really cool. Mystery exploration during the day, defend the house at night. Manage your funds to replace dogs and bullets.

>>355234113
my point wasn't about how shallow either is (i agree that 40k is) but 40k is a tabletop game that you can enjoy by playing within the setting they have made, whereas game of thrones has actually managed to convince people it has a narrative beyond introducing characters, killing them, then introducing new characters and killing them, etc.
if they made a show structured like GoT using the characters from 40k, it would be utter shit, too

>>355233859
I think its supposed to be a generic popular reference.

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>>355235194
You're awfully mad about some innocuous poll answers, anon!

>>355235765
>call you a retard once
>"awfully mad"
What is wrong with you?

>>355221119
Oy...
Overwatch

They'll make tons of money off blizzdrones though.

>>355235441
>whereas game of thrones has actually managed to convince people it has a narrative beyond introducing characters, killing them, then introducing new characters and killing them, etc.
People fall for the 'needless grimdark = good narrative' meme.

>>355235753
it's just that i see a trend in people equating "gritty" with relationship problems and onscreen drama, instead of moral shades of grey and whatnot
it's all goddamn battlestar galactica's fault

>>355233435
>If you think the purpose of cRPGs is the emulation of tabletop RPG in computer form
this is why wrpgs are all shit

>>355220586
I hope they include more than just the core rulebook.
I've always wanted to play a pathfinder alchemist, by I'm the only one who ever GMs for my group.

Does Pathfinder even have a good setting? I'm so sick of Forgotten Realms computer games...

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>>355220586

Pathfinder is so done.

The real question is, when are we getting our GURPS game?

>>355233435
CRPG was a term given to designate computer RPGs from tabletop RPGs back in the '80s, not as an attempt to emulate tabletop RPGs. After that they're just called RPGs.

>>355237130
I was not aware that GURPS Asparagus was a thing.

>>355221119
A Slayers RPG? Noice!

>>355237254

You don't have to lecture me, I was there back in the 80s. And still I think you're missing the forest for the tree: those games were called RPGs in the first place - hence needing the "c" added. That's because the base idea was to emulate the tabletop originals.

>>355236592

I'm thinking RPG video games- w or j, are at their best when they succeed in that.

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>derivative made by a splinter group
>tried to innovate but instead was an inferior carbon copy
>enjoyed only by people with nostalgia glasses thicker than haydee
>also, Paizo

they should have sent a fucking potter.

>>355237043
It's okay.

>>355234621
You play Constanza fighting his daily battle to not kill himself.

>>355237043
It's similar to forgotten realms. You can kind of picture it as taking place around Europe/Africa in the real world. Different regions are centered around the in game version of the Mediterranean Sea, and each country has its own theme/issues/wars/etc.

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>>355221397
>Pathfinder
>Tolkien fantasy

Pathfinder GM here, you fucking wish.
It's THE kitchen sink setting. Depending on how faithful Obsidian is to the source, you could end up begging for the traditional Tolkien elements

Just look up Pathfinder Bestiary Vol.4 and 5 when you get the time. Shit is ridiculous.

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>>355226073

>>355238161
Conan vs. Magic Robots doesn't sound bad

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>>355221119

>Methonium RPG

>>355237043
It's alright. It's just a kitchen sink setting, it has some crazy cool shit and some things which are just like Forgotten Realms

>>355238302
That's a cute elf

>>355238637
I found her by looking up "generic elf girl".

>>355238302
Can I get high fantasy with the blue flame sword thing?

>>355237130
What about a game based on Munchkin?

Does Pathfinder have you have to sleep to know spells like D&D?

>>355238746
Those thighs are anything but generic.

>>355239014
Yes.

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>>355238971
I'm not drawing it on there a second time.

Here is the base element.

>>355239014
They have limits, but you don't necessarily need to sleep to get the spells. Wizards prepare, so you can leave some slots open and add spells later in the day. Clerics and paladins pray for theirs, and depending on the god you might pray at midnight, or daybreak, etc. Sorcerers and other spontaneous casters need to sleep to replenish their spells though

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>>355239014
>Pathfinder
>like D&D?

the answer to this question is literally always yes

>>355239162
>>355239230
>>355239264
i have no idea how to improve it, but that system is just so meh in computer games

>>355239526
For computer games I think good ole mana works better.

>>355220586
What proof is there that this is legit?

>>355221119
Kek /v/ the musical

>>355239526
I don't mind it too much, but I think it being reworked could be cool. Not giving casters limits on their spells, especially in DND/PF settings, causes major balance issues though.
>>355239654
I liked the guild wars 1 system, I don't know how well that would translate to a DND type magic system though

>>355239727

None, this is just conjectures.

Makes for amusing conversations anyway.

>>355228547
NAZARETH

>>355227613
Well, once upon a time a bunch of complete retards decided to apply collectible card game design logic to the new edition of d&d, which combined with flawed math, lazy copypasting of old content and zero playtesting resulted in a sort of a mess you see floating in jars in mad scientist labs - a game of character building out of options that are 80% intentional noob traps, skill and feat system that only served to prevent you from doing things, math that started going to hell as early as level 6, and magic that warped the game so badly most of dungeon master's prep time would go into devising ways to reign in magic users so other characters can maybe have some fun. In short, a game that mainly appeals to the subset of the Magic the Gathering crowd that has no social skills, plays blue control and doesn't shower. And because d&d was now being published by a company that could afford marketing, 3e got really big, and consequently attracted legions of deckbuilding autismos into the fandom.

Some years later, 4e was made. While far from flawless 4e fixed a lot of 3e's glaring issues, but it did so by completely dropping legacy design, and the character building minigame in particular. This made the legions of autismos angry. In fact, they got so angry that a company called Paizo quickly repackaged a slightly homebrewed 3e, called it Pathfinder, and sold enough of it to establish itself as a notable market player. Now they churn out awfully designed content for their 'fixed' 3.75 that still has all of the major issues of 3.5, and embarrass themselves on the internet by pretending to push progressive agenda and making incredibly stupid posts on social networks.

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I picked Later Pathfinder art style, I forgot how terrible the old art looked

>>355229415
Psionics are the red headed fucking stepchild anyway, fuck them. I hope unearthed arcana takes their sweet piss fucking time with them. I want more monster manuals and more class options (and a finalized revision of the ranger) before I give a shit about psionic options. Fucking utterly useless unless they launch a Darksun campaign update alongside it because otherwise I don't give a single flying fuck about it and frankly most people don't or there'd be more outrage they didn't show up in the core book this time around.

>>355239867
>open world isometric turn-based rpg about wizards travelling the holy lands acquiring weed

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>>355238971

>>355240130
Not to be that "LOL WEED LMAO" guy, but this sounds fucking extraordinary. I'd fund this shit in a heartbeat.
If there was a heart of strange cynicism built into the narrative tone, this could potentially sell like hotcakes.

>>355238302
>>355240162

>Dark Fantasy and High Fantasy are mutually exclusive

is this autism ?

the opposite to High Fantasy is Low Fantasy

>>355240162
>>355238302
low fantasy a best. fight me.

>>355237043
It reminds me of eberron in how much shit it has in it. This is not necessarily a good thing because Eberron never appealed to me.

>>355240290
You can have all sorts of blends you're the only one claiming they're mutually exclusive.

High/Low fantasy isn't binary either it's a gradient with all sorts of things landing somewhere in between.

>>355238302
Does Medieval imply historical accuracy?
The fuck is low fantasy then?

>>355240105
They're literally just more balanced spellcasting with a more intuitive and flexible casting system.

>>355221119
>Overwatch Isometric RPG

That could actually be pretty decent. Turn based squad action with various types of characters and a story in the setting you could finally actually be involved in.

>>355240739

I don't know how things have been in more recent editions, but they used to be more broken than Mage could be, and this almost from starting level.

>>355240730
>Does Medieval imply historical accuracy?
No, it just implies the setting.

>The fuck is low fantasy then?
Darklands

>>355240730
Low fantasy is....shit I dunno lol

>>355221119
Archer spy based isometric RPG.

>>355240739
Which they basically offer up as a bloody variant rule in the DMG. I don't ever find myself designing shit for my friends to play in, or characters to play with my friends when one of them DMs, thinking to myself "Whoa, it would change everything if my magic was managed like this instead of this and if it was all nonsensical mind powers instead of whatever nonsensical magic power."

They're just not that important.

>>355225084
You can die from poopin' too much.

It's a fuckin' great game.

>>355241186
Sounds too much like a medieval sim.

High fantasy is your traditional epic fantasy where magic reigns and characters bigger than life play games for insane stakes.

Low fantasy is, if not necessarily grittier or less magical, more grounded and smaller in scope. It deals with personal drama and local events.

Dark fantasy is a buzzword Bioware came up with for Dragon Age Origins.

>>355241127
>Which they basically offer up as a bloody variant rule in the DMG.
You mean the thing that is vastly different and extremely, extremely broken because it doesn't require you to spend more spell points to make your spells scale?

>>355240929
They haven't been broken since 3.0.

>>355240934
From those images, I can only imply that they would be placed on the same time period which would be Medieval or around the middle ages.
Reading around, dark lands seems to be around Tolkien or Warhammer. Wouldn't that be a close description to dark fantasy?
Or is dark fantasy just high fantasy with elder gods and Cthulhu?
I'm so confused.

>>355241502
Nurgle don't fuck around, man.

>>355241697
Darklands is based on history senpai.

What's the difference between the art style in early or late pathfinder?

Looks literally the same to me.

>>355240990
>>355241558
What separates low fantasy from dark is that the fantastical and magical elements are hidden away, such that only the exceptionally well-informed even know they exist. It is also characterized by a more stringent adherence to plausibility and shies away from anachronism at every turn except when it's well-justified.

>>355241558
No, dark fantasy became a thing with game of thrones in the early 90s. I remember reading an article about how the book was as violent and dark as Flesh + Blood with some magic sprinkled in for good measure.

>>355240929
They weren't broken, except for that one - soulknife? - that was worthless. I think everyone who read them just failed to understand the mechanics.

Why Isometric?

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>>355241972
>dark fantasy became a thing with game of thrones in the early 90s

>>355242093
best system ever?

Why the fuck not isometric?

All my favorite games are isometric save for the few ones that aren't isometric but are third person like Okami, God Hand, Monster Hunter, to name a few.

>>355241968
>>355241972
No, that's all still low fantasy. Dark fantasy might or might not be an appropriate description, but it isn't a category.

>>355242189

Because it's dated and it seems pretentious and lame in this day and age

>>355241994
Psion is broken in the sense that it can fuck a campaign up but it's far less broken than any of the core spellcasters are. It should tell you something that the Sorceror, a class that gets a new spell level one level behind the Psion getting a new power level, is way more powerful in practice.

>>355242287
>Because it's dated
Stopped reading there, opinion discarded.

>>355242093
Budget and faster to develop.

Most of any AAA budget goes towards cinematics and animations.

>>355242329

Go ahead and prove me wrong

>>355242415
Only if you prove me that First Person view isn't dated.

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Anyone have any other goofball things done in D&D and Pathfinder?

>>355242415
How is it dated? How can a way a game is viewed be pretentious?

>>355242475

Burden of proof is on you buddy

>>355242213
>In a world where humanity has been pushed back to a single standing kingdom/city/cave by the endless onslaught of ....
This is Dark fantasy in my opinion.

And it could be high or low fantasy depending on the setting.

This is MY opinion.

>>355240730
>Does Medieval imply historical accuracy?
Not really it's more about is it set in an actual place and time that roughly analogues some place in history rather than a place cobbled together by the creator. If your game is set in Wessex in 1071 and it doesn't have wizards and orcs chances are it's medieval. Think Medieval Total War

>The fuck is low fantasy then?
Fantasy that for the most part follows natural laws and causality as opposed to high fantasy which usually follows it's own made up natural laws. That's not to say Low Fantasy is no magic and no fantastic elements but they're fewer and further between than a High Fantasy. Think Mount and Blade or the Theif games.

>>355241558
>Dark fantasy is a buzzword Bioware
Nah, Dark Fantasy is any Fantasy High/Low ect that has Horror elements. That's the usual meaning. The "has a dark atmosphere" one is weak as shit and literally only used by Bioware. Think Diablo 1, Ghouls 'n Ghosts, Darkest Dungeon, Berserk, and Dark Souls.

>>355242528

"retro"

>>355242542
I will prove it once you prove it. Its a deal, I'm not trying to disprove you.

>>355220586
>playing Pathfinder in 2016

3eaboos are a blight.

>>355220767

Fuck no turn based completely ruins the game.

>>355242610
>not Diablo 2 where the hero of Diablo I fucking died and got possessed by Diablo itself.
>Tristan fucking fell to the hordes of demons

>>355242626

Right so you can't prove that your hipster art is trash

>>355242616
It's not about being retro. It's a viewing system that works. Playing a CRPG in first person would be hell

>>355220767
I chose turnbased too.

Only way games are meant to be played.

>>355220586
Whatever happened to Pathfinder Online?

>>355242712
1 is more obvious with it's horror elements than 2 is which is why I listed it.

>>355242554
Well sometimes opinions are worthless. Dark fantasy is not a subgenre of fantasy, much like how whatever I think my current novel is, it will be categorized as soft science fiction by the editor and reviewed as such.

>>355242759
I'm not arguing against you buddy. Just prove what I told you to prove. Why are you getting angry? Should be easy shit for you to prove it.

Ok well I will look forward to this game, OP. Even if I'm the only one.

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>Which of these Tabletop games have you played?
>World of Darkness on the list
>Next question
>Which tabletop game would you like to see a video game of?
>World of Darkness not on the list

hello darkness my old friend

What sort of options would their be for a real time game?

you got the ARPG style where you just control one character, or the real time with pause which is basically just and RTS.

Anything else you guys have played?

>>355220586
Didn't they buy back the WW IPs?

They should get on another fucking Vampire game I fucking swear...

>>355242839
The only horror elements in 1 are ranged blobs.

>>355242917
>What sort of options would their be for a real time game?
>you got the ARPG style where you just control one character, or the real time with pause which is basically just and RTS.
You could do a tagteam mechanic where you're running around with a party of AI controlled companions, but are able to switch between them on the fly allowing you to cancel combos

>>355242859
>Dark fantasy is not a subgenre of fantasy
No it's a think in both literature and in games.
http://www.sff.net/people/lucy-snyder/brain/2006/02/on-dark-fantasy.html

It's Horror meets Fantasy it's not very complicated.

>>355242860

Should've been easy for you to prove to why are you trying to change the topic