>16 years later and it's still the best WRPG of all time

>>346303867
I wouldn't call it the best but it is one of my favorites.

>>346303867
Imoen
Viconia
Bhaal-spawn?
Jaheira
Aerie

>>346303867
>Villain kidnaps Imoen almost immediately

10/10, would go through several hours of gameplay without her voice again

>>346304402
Think it's suppsed to be that d'arnaise or something girl

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>>346304801
Looks nothing like Nalia

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Part of it is that every character is memorable except Cernd.

Found artist's Deviantart
>Imoen, Viconia, the main character (who is a very evil and murderous monk (yes, or a nun!)), Jaheira, and Aerie. Should've added the sixth character, but... blah. I tired.

I like Icewind Dale more

Thoughts on Dragonspear?

>>346304407
yer a queer fellow

>>346303927
What would call the best then cuck?

Cute shield.

>>346305291
It's not very good and it creates a million plot holes that it makes no effort to explain. It is nice to see some of the original characters back in action, though.

>>346305029
Cernd is memorable as a holier than thou jackass

>>346306653
He's got no real personality and his backstory is that he abandoned his family to live in the woods.

I did a full play through about 2 or 3 years ago. I'd forgotten how good it is and ending marathoning it.

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>>346303867
I always found Imoen a very endearing sidekick character.

>>346305847
Not that anon but Avernum 2: Crystal Souls

>Cuck

That word doesn't mean what you think it means

>>346303867
BG are to be rejected and considered shit because of Bioware's current policies, as are all their previous games, they are dead to us and any who reject that are no better than the swjs

>>346307109
Fuck I still need to go through that series in full.

>>346306776
>He's got no real personality
i suppose, when i think of characters that annoyed me nalia and airie come to mind first eventhough cernd is pretty awful in that regard also. doesn't help that he had one of the worst class-kits in the game which means i did his quests and dumped him asap

>>346307257
Fuck do they ever get hard. The second has a difficulty spike like the clit of an iron golem about 3 hours in. It's a really cool setting though

I always liked bg1 more than 2

>>346307341
I love the shit out of Spiderweb Software games but they take such a long time to get through. I've probably got several hundred hours between the Geneforge and Avernum and Avadon series and I'm trying to finish Avadon 2 before I can go through the rest of them.

Did you ever do any singleton runs?

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>>346306994
>>346305029
>>346303867
why is it that most of the fan art looks better than the bioware official art?

>>346307598
No never tried but I have a bad habit of rolling with only lizard people in Avernum, I didn't realize Geneforge was the same dev but it makes a lot of sense

>>346307610
fun fact: viconia portrait was traced over some porn pic

>>346307242
What about its current policies would make it dislike BG2?

>>346303867
alright how should i get into baldur's gate

should start with BD1 or BD2 ? should i install mods or should i get the HD versions

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>>346307610
Because the official art is mostly bad, with some exceptions.

>>346307760
If you liked the older Avernums then you might like Nethergate, too. It's ancient Brittania being invaded by the Romans and it's centered upon the fey folk's reaction to human affairs.

Usually if I'm going to use a slith spearman then I've got a nephilim bowman and then two humans, mage and priest, as backup.

>>346308089
Just do BG2. BG1 is an acquired taste and it's not really as good in any case. You're told basically everything you need to know about BG1's plot in the first couple of minutes of BG2, anyway.

>>346308089
the enchanced editions are fine nowdays, but they add some cringeworthy companions

>>346308089
play the first one then the second, pirate GOG.com release since you can't buy them anymore. I would only apply the resolution mod to the games so you can play them as they were released.

You posted the wrong image, kiddo, that isn't Dragon Age: Inquisition

>>346308089
BG1 then BG2

>>346308046
Because I'm spiteful and want everything nice gone.

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>>346308089
Tutu. Play both games and both expansions, there is no other option for the complete experience. BG1 is slow to start off, but the sense of progression you get is very real and you're throwing down with demigods by the time you get to ToB; stick with it and you'll be justly rewarded.

>>346309205
What anime is this

>>346309324
Record of Lodoss War

>>346309324

Record of lodoss war, closest anime you will get to dungeons and dragons.

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>>346309689
>>346309593
Elves are the masterrace

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>>346309787
Elves exist for the sole purpose of forced and repeated involuntary procreation
All wings must of course be clipped

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>tfw if there ever will be BG3, it's going to be made by talentless trannylovers at Beamdog
>it's going to be utter shit

>>346310137
Pillars of Eternity was the scrapped BG3 assets.

Just be glad they didn't called it BG3.

>>346310137
hopefully not
SoD sold like complete shit it is

>>346307610
Too many hair pieces on all the girls.

Also Imoen's pic in BG1 was trash, and her pic in BG2 shows her after she had been tortured - and you can tell.

>>346308089
>how should i get into baldur's gate
Get BGT or Tutu.
They allow you to play through both BG1 and 2 as a single experience.

Or just play BG2 if you can't handle the cruelty of low-level D&D rulesets.

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/the-ultimate-baldurs-gate-experience/ is a good guide to use imho.

Finally, don't pick Wizard Slayer. Just don't. They're completely shit. Literally every other class is decent to great, but that single class kit is utter trash.

>>346310223
No way, proof faggot.

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It's a very good and atmospheric game. But I think it's outdone by Planescape: Torment as far as Infinity Engine games go.

Shame they had to ruin so many characters, especially Aerie, with the terrible Throne of Bhaal.

>>346308089
>alright how should i get into baldur's gate
Make a self-insert character and treat it like a Visual Novel.

No, seriously. Immerse yourself in the world and treat death as a genuine threat. It'll be a far better experience than if you just save-scum your way through the game and skip all the dialogue.

>tfw I played this game 4 times
>never completed it
>furthest I got was at the end when irenicus transformed

I really should play it again.

>>346311332
>Shame they had to ruin so many characters, especially Aerie, with the terrible Throne of Bhaal.
What do you mean by that?

>>346311759
iktf. I usually make a new game at furthest a short way into ToB, and have made something like 10 different games.

Right now I'm going through BGT from the beginning with just a Thief and Imoen.

Still trying to work out when I should dual-class her. She's just hit L7 so I guess I should now?

>>346311759
>play a berserker in BG1
>really enjoy it
>start BG2
>berserker is starting to fall off greatly
>forced to dual class
>lose everything until the same level again
>quit the game
rinse and repeat

>>346312052
I never dual classed so I wouldn't know desu.

>>346309205
>the sense of progression you get is very real
Pretty much sums up what's so great about BG.

Also BGT and Tutu are both great, no need to shit on one or the other.

>>346311838
The writing was mediocre (I think literally everyone saw the 'twist' the moment Melissan came on screen) and the maps were unimaginiative.

And making Aerie pregnant and have her fight in that state, and carry around the baby in her inventory, was just a bit too absurd.

>>346307951
most of females were traced over some pornstar face

>get memed into buying BG1
>it's actually fucking shit

>>346312662
BG1 is the game which could never exist today. It's low level D&D at its most brutal, with new assassins lying in wait around every corner.

Most people hate it because they have no patience. It provides a crucial component of the series though, and thanks to BGT/Tutu it allows the player to experience progressing all the way from a character no better than them IRL to a demigod.

>>346312917
I can hear your chins flapping

>>346313025
t. mouthbreather

>>346311454
Don't listen to this guy. BG is shit for actual roleplaying and exists only to be a series of DnD combat scenarios with no GM fiat.

First off, you should note that Charisma is a useless stat and dump it completely in favor of any other stat. Remember: this isn't an RPG, it's a series of combat scenarios.

Even so, I can almost guarantee you will need to save scum your way through the games the first time you play them. At least you will need to save frequently and reload to the point of desensitizing death, because death occurs so frequently and with little warning.

Also you may as well fill your party entirely with mages because they're the only class that matters. Good luck with your limited casts and enemies frequent resistence, though. Just remember your friend save scumming.

Why is Sarevok so based?

>>346313151
>Charisma is a useless stat and dump it completely in favor of any other stat
Or enjoy having more dialogue options and better shop prices.
>Even so, I can almost guarantee you will need to save scum your way through the games the first time you play them. At least you will need to save frequently and reload to the point of desensitizing death, because death occurs so frequently and with little warning.
Or you can actually be careful and try not to die, which is way more immersive and fun. You have an imagination. Try using it and you'll actually be able to enjoy yourself. No-one's judging you.
>Also you may as well fill your party entirely with mages because they're the only class that matters.
No wonder you're dying all the time...
>Good luck with your limited casts and enemies frequent resistence, though.
Main a sorcerer then. If resistance is a problem then use spells like Breach and Pierce Magic.

>>346312662
I played Baldur's Gate I first and was quite disappointed by it, losing interest by the time I got to Baldur's Gate. I attributed to the fact that "Bioware was never good". Then I decided to play Baldur's Gate II which I thorhoughly enjoyed and, upon returning to BGI, I found the entire experience very worthwhile. BG1's story as it unfolds is really quite good, and handled better than in BG2. How it slowly grows in influence and evil.

>>346313587
because he knew what he wanted and had the power and intelligence to get it
the only problem was one of his kin just happened to be a player grade murderhobo that he managed to cross but not immediately kill

>>346313636
Yeah, BG1's story is solid all around, I never liked how Imoen turned out to be your sister out of nowhere in BG2 and the plot of ToB just went places

>>346313817
>I never liked how Imoen turned out to be your sister out of nowhere in BG2
I liked that twist desu.

Technically a half-sister as far as I can understand, though the game always acts like she's a full sister.

>>346314001
>a completely normal girl in BG1
>can die and be resurrected (something neither you nor Sarevok can do)
>suddenly a fucking bhaalspawn
It's pretty dumb

>>346313603
Oh my Bhaalspawn was a warrior and 4/6 members of my party weren't mages, but the mages were the only ones doing the heavy lifting. Everyone else just cleaned up trash mobs. All that achieved was to let me not rest between every fight.

As to magical resistance being solved by breach and pierce magic, that is simply misinformation. Anything worth using breach or pierce magic on will resist those spells just as frequently as anything else. If you're going to be save scumming anyway, may as well cast the spells that actually do something on the random chance they succeed. Or better yet just use the summoning spells.

>>346314129
>Anything worth using breach or pierce magic on will resist those spells just as frequently as anything else.
You're talking about ToB I guess.

Breach is THE spell to know during SoA. It's incredibly useful against basically every difficult fight, sans the vampires.

Either that or Insect Plague.

What's your least favorite thing about SoD? Other than the tranny
I didn't like the new companions and the forced "romances"

>>346314591
Not being able to choose to be an asshole to people. Freedom of choice is one of the main features of BG. Not that it's perfect, but it's definitely something which was respected in the original games.

VICONIA BEST GIRL

FUCK ALL YOU FAGGOTS

>>346314712
Thing is, it's extremely easy to lose reputation in it, only it happens for dumb shit like telling the people of Baldur's Gate that Sarevok was your relative

>>346311332
PS:T is a meme game
Fallout is Black Isle's best game.

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>>346315065
>meme game

>>346315065
>Fallout 2
>not meme overload

I should never have bought EE.

I could ignore the new content, but the UI is god-awful, and I swear the game runs even worse now.

Where I can get original, non-remastered versions of Baldur's Gate?

>>346315302
Amazon
piratebay

>>346314869
Dude no one disrespects that choice but best girl is actually Imoen

>>346314978
That doesn't seem dumb at all, but even then there are plenty of sensible reasons to gain or lose the stuff, and you definitely get a lot of leeway to be a traitorous bastard without losing reputation if you choose to do so.

>>346315302
If you have the steam version you can always opt into the 1.3 "beta" and go back to the old UI.

>>346315398
Imoen is not for sexeing

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>>346315398
>Imoen

I mean I liked her but viccy is just toppest tier

>someone's making a Keldron romance mod
I'm impressed that this modding community is still active, the content of the mods notwithstanding

>>346315594
>Keldron romance mod
wouldn't that go against his questline plot?

>>346315506
There's a mod for that. She is now.

>>346315516
The main thing I love about her is her banter, but it gets awkward if I want Aerie in my party too. I mean Vic is great and all, but chain contingencies with cleric spells are just too good to miss out on, and I never seem to be able to keep both of them in a party at the same time.

>>346315594

>Keldorn

After all this time, I am still mad that they try to make you and Keldorn as the bad guys for punishing his wife's adultery.

>>346315779
I was able to keep them both most of the time, no idea how I do it.

I think I always tell Aerie to shut up and they stop fighting eventually, or I beat the game so quick that they never spend enough time together for one to leave.

Happened once with Keldorn, man it was tough to let the old fuck go, I gave him that claymore you gain when you kill that one dragon and he was a fucking rape machine.

>>346315942
The wife wasn't actually cuckolding him, the other dude was impotent IIRC.

>>346315673
Not at all, depending on your advice, Keldorn can either forgive his wife or throw her into jail.

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The Saerileth mod is a prime example of how to write an absolutely awful romance. Even the stuff modern Bioware writes is better.

>>346315942
>his wife's adultery
His wife is adulterous? And there was me thinking he was the bad guy for never being around.

>>346316102
To be fair he never was around.

What's the mod where a demon turns into a child and it kills me if I try and have sex with her?

>>346316096
>is 15 years old
>sounds like a 40 year old chain smoker
Hilarious. To be honest I think the Chloe mod is even worse.

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>>346316096
>install this mod for shit and giggles, expecting some shadow the hedgehog tier writing
>it actually surpassed my expectation and amazed me with how bad the character writing can be

>>346316054

She was cheating on him.

That's adultery.

That is quite literally against the law.

>>346316102

Yeah, she cheats on him and the other guy, his wife's lover, has the fucking audacity to act like he was just filling in while Keldorn was gone.

She knew what she was marrying into, she has no right to complain when she got to live in that luxurious part of the city.

>>346313817
>>346314001
nice spoiler tag, faggots.

>>346316303
But the other dude never fucked her, if I recall correctly, maybe I dreamed but I swear I read the other guy said he was impotent.

In any case it's a worse ending if he ends up imprisoning her, he becomes really bitter.

>>346316561
It's not much of a plot twist though desu. She was always acting like a sister only you later get confirmation of whether or not it's NBR.

>>346316561
This fucking game is on every single fucking Top 10 RPG lists, if you haven't completed it by now, you won't ever.

>>346306994

I can't figure out if she wanted to be my girlfriend or my little sister.

>>346316798
>spoils all three BG games in one post
>you may as well not play any of them now
faggot.

>>346308127
That's fucking horrible, though. His BG1 portrait was infinitely better.

>>346316956
play them for combat instead of the story then you humongous retard

>>346312136

Thats one thing I hated about the BG class/level system.
If you made one small mistake during character creation or misallocated points, you could screw your whole character up for the rest of the game, an have to start all over again

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>>346303867
>I don't understand how Bioware could have made Baldur's Gate 2 and then degenerated into what it's become.
Its easy to understand. Bioware was bought out by EA, all the decent people either left or were fired and replaced by sjw tumblrinas.

Same with Blizzard and Activision. Its why big publishers should not be allowed to buy out smaller game devs and just complete ruin them. Fuck greedy capitalism.

>>346316597
yeah, he was impotent, but still...

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>>346314869
Jaheira or bust.

>>346313813
Which makes Sarevok utterly fucking retarded. All he had to do was ignore your existence completely and he would have won. No one knew about his doppleganger scheme, not even the player until fairly late. Hell, even calling off the assassin attacks after his hired people kept turning up dead would have been enough to save his ass, because you wouldn't have learned his name.

>>346317469
Jaheira is good too but I feel bad for poor Khalid.

Really, I also like Aerie, I think she's cute, I like all three of them but my favourite is Viconia.

>>346317601
Aerie is godawful, but her romance theme is 10/10. There is something very classic fantasy about it and I love it.

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>>346317601
>that story about her being buried alive
Good stuff

>>346317493
Because fucking bioware wants to transform good fantasy detective in some world-saving shit with gods and superhumans.

>>346317763
I just think she's really cute and her romance is the most cute and pure one, it's like a knight rescuing a princess or some shit.

Viconia's romance is basically trying to get this wounded feral animal to eat from your hand.

Jaheira's is the most realistic one, I suppose, except for the fact that she got over Khalid in like half an hour.

>>346318029
Aerie probably works the best with the bhaalspawn because you're canonically in your early twenties and the other two are much older
She still kind of sucks though

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You don't play BG games for the plot
You play them for the combat encounters and the pleasure of transforming from a librarian to a demigod

>>346317074
>spoils the plot
>intentionally fucks up the experience for people who haven't finished the games
>has the audacity to say to play baldurs gate for anything but the story
kill yourself, you are a cancer upon this board.

>>346318315
Is he modeled after Travolta in From Paris With Love?

>>346318331
>still keeping up the "s-stop spoiling 16 year old games ;_;" shit
>derailing the thread with the whining
YOU'RE the cancer
Fuck off

>>346316920
>my girlfriend or my little sister.
where's that
>why not both
image when I need it

>>346318384
>2010
Pretty sure he isn't

>>346318384
He looks like Pitbull to me

>>346318029
I suppose Jaheira could be like an older-sister + girlfriend but it'd be kind of awkward if you're a human plus, he'd die much before. It'd work as a half-elf, but she'd be pretty much a pedophile.

Viconia is bound to be tragic since she won't romance elves and other races don't have the lifespan she does which doesn't really matter in the end, though.

Aerie is best if the PC is an elf.

>>346313151
WHY

WHY WOULD YOU EVER DO THAT

the game is already too fucking easy as it is. Unless you run some kind of nightmare mod this post is ridiculously uncalled for.

>>346318631
meant for
>>346318140

MY OTELS AS CLEAN AS AN ELVEN ARSE

HEY SEXY, WANNA TAKE A LOOK AT ME DIDDIES?

>>346318315
>the pleasure of transforming from a librarian to a demigod

What other games do this? Not just becoming a super powered hero, but an ascension to godhood? Besides Dark Messiah, which is too short to enjoy rise to power?

>>346312205

I hated the dual class system, i like my classes and roles pure.

BY

MORADIN'S

HAMMER

BY MORADIN'S HAMMER BY MORADIN'S HAMMER

>>346318948
NWN2 MotB on the evil path, kind of
You start of as a swamp farmer and end up consuming a dead god and becoming an unstoppable terror

>>346318948
Morrowind

>>346319056
You're a queer fellow.

>>346319180
Yes, oh omnipresent authority figure?

>>346317259
>If you made one small mistake during character creation or misallocated points, you could screw your whole character up for the rest of the game, an have to start all over again
shadowkeeper is like one of the best savegame editing tools ever

>>346303867
That's because BioWare as bought by EA much after Baldur's Gate 2, and now Baldur's Gate IP is owned by SJW central.
>>346308089
Just pirate it, HD versions are a mess, and Beamdog certainly doesn't deserve your money.

>>346319278
I am born of a noble race.

>>346318631
Do whatever Aerie's race was age like other elves though?

>>346319056
gET
me
OUT OF
this
HEll
HOLE

>>346319304
I think so, yeah, she's not called "winged elf" for nothing.

>>346319393
WOOAHHH

NOW THAT WAS A STINKER

MHAHHAHAHAH

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>>346319304
Avariels? Yeah, of course.

Minsc is a terrible forced meme character

Jaheira is used goods and nasty.

>>346319849
>used goods
2 girls out of 3 are used goods, dummy.

>>346320085
And this is implying Aerie didn't get the fat old man cock during her time as a circus freak.

>>346319849
>used goods
>implying turbocuck Khalid actually banged her

>>346317797
>Viconia teasing the protagonist at every opportunity, running hands over her whole body

Fuck, I think my teenage fantasies are coming back.

>>346303867

Because the people inside the company are different.

Games are made by people, not companies. Bioware of 2016 has nothing in common with Bioware of 2000.

Mazzy best girl.

>>346320503
I didn't play this game as a teenager, but I think I can imagine what a dark hot sensual teasing maiden would've done to my 14 year old dick.

>>346317797
My dick was rock hard every time.

>>346320653
You're a man of great taste.

>>346317601
I also think Viconia's romance makes for the best epilogue. It's quite Shakespearean what her and Baalspawn go through during their years together.

>>346321189
I don't like the ending.

Fuck you Lolth.

how can baldur's gate be the best when

>based on ad&d which was retarded and shit
>real time with pause which is shit
>popularized dialog trees which are shit
>popularized 10 hour main quest - 70 hour side quests format which is shit

?

>>346321506
>dialog trees are shit

what

Is there a database or something with all the dialogues, so I don't have to play the game to remind myself all the story? I'm not joking.

>>346321617
when every word that comes out of the protagonist's mouth has to be chosen from a list it severly limits how dialog can be written. not only does it make it so that characterization has to be flattened into generic one size fits none lines, it makes it so that conversations read like interrogations where the player is grilling the npc for information.

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>>346321189
>>346321302
Evil bhaalspawn ascending to godhood like she wants him to do is pretty awesome though

>>346322405
I like happy endings the most.
I enjoyed the changed ending in that one mod. It's cute and nice.

>>346303867
Everyone left the company.

>>346323431
But the old guys at Beamdog makes SJW games now as well.

>>346323308
Which mod m8?

>>346322405
There should be an ending where she becomes priestess of the good ascended bhaalspawn.

>>346323810
for some reason the edwin(a) romance mod changed the viconia ending

it's much more lighthearted. It doesn't fit, but oh well.

>>346324190
I think it's kind of implied by the "who the dark lady now worshiped, however, was her own secret to keep" line

>>346303867
ya and its not because of the waifu fags. I seldom browse /v/ because you fags ruined and turned this board into a copy cat of /a/

>>346325186
Yeah, but it sounds like an ending for evil god and evil priestess.

There should be an ending where Viconia with changed alignment becomes a priestess of the good bhaalspawn and attempts to be a goody-two-shoes, but fails half the time being herself sarcastic bitch.

>>346322405

>Garrett

I have been using the Garrett voice pack for charname ever since I found it, my fellow taffer.