The problem with niche games

>>345673696
>Why do people feel that all games need to be huge sellers in order to be successful?
Because they're retarded console war fags.

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>TMS is a solid game

Stopped reading there.

>>345673696
Hello, Cody.

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>>345673839
Best RPG this gen.

How much do you get paid per thread?

>>345674148
1 Nintendo point.

>>345673839
>he didn't play the uncensored fanpatch

>>345674084
unironically this
people only dismissed it because of tits and those people are just as bad as those who only bought it for the tits

>Why do people feel that all games need to be huge sellers in order to be successful?
Because capitalism.

>>345674148
half a stock for 10 threads

>>345673696
Because it involved two big companies which means not selling big equals a failure at least at dev level (okami)?
Because a crossover is supposed to be a massive sellout instead of a niche game?
Because even the target audience is confused what is this supposed to be?
Don't really care since I don't even have a wiiu, but 100k sells at most for a crossover looks like a flop to me.

>>345674084
Welcome to /v/ and feel free to enjoy your stay.

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>>345673696
Because Americans base success off how much money is earned. It's a very simplistic way that works for them.

People that proclaim the Dreamcast was a failed console are always American. The rest of us appreciate the solid lineup it provided.

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>>345674084

Really? I can count at least 4 flaws off the top of my head.

>DRM (consoles can't compare to a PC in terms of performance and moddability)
>casualization (this game is easier to beat than your average Uncharted title)
>disgusting sex fanservice
>way too much focus on story (if you have more plot than TLOU, then your game is essentially a "cinematic experience")

This is considered good?

Same reason why anything less than an 80 on Metacritic is seen as shit by people - expectations have gotten inflated to the point where something really needs to give. It also doesn't help that people want games faster yet blockbuster titles are taking more money and longer to develop, resulting in botched rushes like the PC Arkham Knight debacle. The state of the industry is incredibly unhealthy right now; it's making money and all but at what greater cost?

Is this game really a WiiU exclusive. Are they fucking retarded? I've been meaning to check it out since it's apparently competent gameplay-wise but who the fuck even expects a SMT game on the fucking WiiU.

>>345675461

Because it's a crossover between SMT and Fire Emblem.

>FE
>on anything but a Nintendo console

Think, anon.

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>>345675223
>DRM
Stop reading there and keep begging.

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>>345676025

>having high standards is considered "begging"

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>>345675223
>disgusting fanservice

There's barely any and it's largely targeted toward schoolgirls.

>smt IV sold 600k copies
>FE sold over a million copies
>crossover sells 50k

Even fucking vita games sell more than #FE, that's how bad the game did. But I recognize your name from some shitposting thread where you shat on sony, obviously you'd make a fucking thread defending the massive failure that this game is.

>>345676518

Then explain the pop stars and outfits and the "waifus". They do nothing to make the game better and act as detriments to the gameplay.

I want to puke anytime a "waifu" comes onto the screen and tries to act quirky or funny. That's just time wasted.

>expect Fire Emblem and SMT crossover
>get uggu kawaii waifu panty simulator instead

fuck this game, I'm glad it failed.

>>345676543
This game is good. Nothing Sony makes is.

Unless you really want to defend Beyond Two Souls, Until Dawn, or The Order 1886.

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>>345673696
Niche games on the fucking Vita sell more than this awful game.

You have no excuse

>>345674257
>the fanpatch having anything to do with the gameplay

>>345676367
How is this high standard when 99% game on Steam is DRMed and you need game disc to play on console from the start?

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>>345674084
Nope. Not even the best jrpg on Wii U

>>345676814

Beyond Two Souls, Until Dawn, and The Order are bad because they're glorified movies. And since TMS is a glorified movie as well, i don't see why it too isn't bad.

>>345676972

>limiting yourself to steam
Found your problem.

>>345676814
You're literally a fucking autistic fanboy. No crying about sony will make this game sell better. It was a fucking failure.

>>345676995
>Tumblr

Fag.

X is fun and all, but it's far from a great game.

>>345677046
And all of Sony's games are becoming TLOU clones.

That's pretty much why video games are dead. Everything needs to have sick graphix and a wide appeal now. Yes there are still good games but you would be lying if you didn't admit there are less good games than there were in past generations. Also if you are one of those fags that think most games have bad graphics, I am not saying they have to look good to you, just to the masses. That still costs a lot more money than in the past.

Feels good to see this game burn.

>>345677046
Where do you get DRM-free game? pirate doesnt count
>GoG
Almost no new game there.

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>>345677172
>>Tumblr
You really shit your pants over Google images? Fucking retard.
XCX is infinitely better than #FE could ever hope to be. Keep fucking crying.

>>345676814

>Nothing Sony makes is.

Oh come now, you're delusional if you think Sony hasn't made any good games over the course of 4 generations. Hell, I've loved Nintendo for most of my life but MediEvil is one of my all-time favorite games.

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>>345673696
>shilling for free
Let go. It flopped. Move on with your life.

>>345676623
Not him, but only Tsubasa, Kiriya and Yashiro are pop stars.

MC is akin to the role of Director, Ellie is an actress, Mamori is a day-time cooking show personality, Touma is pursuing acting as a hero in live shows for children, Barry used to be a rock n' roll band member and Maiko used to be a popular model.

I think I hit everyone down in the list.

You can't even "waifu" any of the girls as there are no romance options in the game.

It's actually fairly balanced roster of male to female ratio for the playable characters too (3 dudes, 4 girls).

>>345677336

I buy it directly from their website.

>>345677653

Unfortunately, all of this is semantics, as the game still sexualizes them with skimpy outfits and tries to make them "quirky" and devotes cutscene after cutscene to trying to get us to like them.

>>345678080
>skimpy outfits
>trying to slut shame people for wearing swimwear
What the actual fuck

>>345674629
>people like or dislike things based on what they like? The nerve!

>>345678080
>Only watched the E3 trailer the post
Good job

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>>345674084
>Best RPG this gen.

>>345673839
This

>>345673696
It sold like shit because smart people did not fall for the censorship.

>>345678080
>elaborating characters is "trying to get us to like them"

you just say that because you don't like them

>>345679236
>>345678902
>>345678675

All I'm saying is this: if you want me to consider this RPG to be good, there needs tobe a few changes.

>gameplay must be the only thing that gets any focus. All semblance of story needs to be thrown out and replaced with playable story, no cutscenes.
>no voice acting
>no fanservice
>no skimpy outfits
>must be more challenging than a touhou game on the hardest difficulty

Otherwise, all I see is another dime-a-dozen cash-in.

>>345679460
So EO without any women in the party.
Faaaaaaag!

>>345679460
>RPGs
>Hard
Name one
>inb4 SMT
Those are only hard the first few hours then its easy once you actually get demons/skills.

>>345679935

>not wanting 100% gameplay in your video GAME

>>345680064

Then break the mold. Make an RPG hard. This isn't rocket science.

>>345680128
Then dont come in here pretending you like RPGs

>>345680128
>you can't have extra things you like in a video game
Play mathematics then.

>>345680402
>>345680469

Oh, I like RPGs. Just not JRPGs. A good example of a proper RPG that at least tries to be hard is Dark Souls. It's also super-light on the story, and isn't content on throwing cutscene after cutscene after you.

I'm also pointing out a hypocritical point you made earlier about how "sony games are all evil western shit" and yet you don't even understand why, nor do you try to defend why you'd say such a statement.

>>345673696
>Was well liked by fan

Glad you enjoyed your purchase, OP. Maybe one day you can convince a second person to buy this game.

>>345673696
>crossover
what?

It's too "Japanese" for my normie friends, it's too "anime" for my gamer friends (but they wanted star ocean instead) and no one I know owns a wii u. I don't know why people are so embarrassed for liking Japanese or anime shit.

>>345675223
Being on a console is not DRM
That's you just being retarded

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>>345680915

>can't mod it
>can't use a controller of my choosing
>no custom servers for online games
>can't change the UI
>can't alter the FPS or resolution
>have to jailbreak the system, voiding the warranty in the process, just to access the game uncensored
>region lock and/or pay2play online (with the other consoles at least)

Sure sounds like DRM to me.

>>345680665
I never made that statement, why would I defend it?

>>345680665
I can understand if you don't happen to like one particular story, but saying that RPGs should never have any focus on a story ever is some of the dumbest shit I've heard in a while.
Also
>Dark Souls
>hard

>>345673696
You're like 15
Get off /v/

>>345681331

>saying that RPGs should never have any focus on a story ever is some of the dumbest shit I've heard in a while.
At the end of the day, an RPG is still a video game, and therefore needs to put all its effort into the gameplay. If you want story, have it be told through the gameplay. Don't interrupt the gameplay just to spew exposition in a non-interactive cutscene

>Dark Souls
>hard

Yes, I know it's not hard once yu realize that every enemy can be dodge+rolled into an easy cycle, but like I said, it TRIED to be hard at least. People freaked out over it and jerked it off so much because the industry had stagnated so much that seeing a game with an inkling of difficulty practically shocked their systems.

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>>345680840
>Impressed when he knew that people cares about what other people thinks about them

Are you new on Earth?

>>345681086
Just because you can't personalize the game to your liking doesn't mean that's DRM, retard. Stop playing shitty Bethesda games where mods are the only way to make it acceptable.

>>345677338
All X has going for it is it's open world. Impressive, to be sure, but it's not the complete package that TMS is.

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>>345682189
>All X has going for it is it's open world.
So you either didn't play it or just kept Elma and Lin in your party the whole time like a shitter.
Fuck off retard.

>>345673696
>Have a niche game
>"No it's not niche enough!"
>Butcher the game
>Now even less people want it
>"Finally now it won't sell. Good job lads!"

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>>345681086
>can't mod it
>can't use a controller of my choosing
>no custom servers for online games
>can't change the UI
>can't alter the FPS or resolution
>have to jailbreak the system, voiding the warranty in the process, just to access the game uncensored
>region lock and/or pay2play online (with the other consoles at least)

Fuck you Sony I don't care about the dev's artistic vision

>>345682340
No, I mean X, as a game, plays much worse than TMS, despite how much more technically impressive it is.

>>345682648
>X, as a game, plays much worse than TMS,
Fucking how?

>>345682712
The mechanics are better.

>>345682972
Actually XCX mechanics are better.
What now retard?

>>345683039
They're both great games. I just prefer TMS.

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>>345673696
>TMS is a solid crossover game
>adding a romance feature will do wonders, i'd say
fucking disgusting
how about tell your employers to try making FExSMT instead

>>345673696
Because people are insecure in their own ability to judge the game so they need to reassure themselves with sales numbers and critics scores that the game they bought is actually good.

>>345683161
>They're both great games
>>345682648
>X, as a game, plays much worse than TMS,
You backed yourself into a corner and now you're backtracking. Fuck off already underage piece of shit

>>345682476

What exactly are you trying to say here? The PS4 and Xbox One aren't exactly innocent either. Infact, I think I made a point to compare all of them.

>>345683186
>smt has no romance
Explain the heroine in almost every game in the series then.
Pixie was the heroine of Nocturne by the way, and maybe high pixie was the heroine of strange journey because it sure as hell wasn't Zelenin.

>>345683161

>Xenoblade X is a great game
>takes 20 hours just to get a skell

Nah. I don't fancy that much filler in a game.

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>>345683478
>the existance of romance is the same thing as romance gameplay features
alright, sure. if the game was ACTUALLY what it was going to be, maybe it'd make sense to have fire emblem partnership ranks. this idoltr@sh doesn't need relationship features.

>>345683501
>Waaahhh why do I have to work and earn things, why doesn't the game just hand me everything in the first hour
Sounds like Fallout 4 would be more your type of game, faglord.

>>345673839
It legitimately is, as far as gameplay goes.

>>345683394
I do feel that X plays worse than TMS, but I still like and appreciate it.

>>345683654
This. One of the great things about X is that feeling of escalation you get while exploring. Not being able to do everything right away is great.

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>>345683806
Don't ever agree with me again Cody.

>>345683654

>working for anything
>in Xenoblade

I wish. The 20 hours to get a skell is just mindless grinding and fetchquests and progressing the laughably stupid plot. Oh, and don't forget the "epic" anime humor and disgusting fanservice.

Wasting money on this title just makes me feel like I've made a mistake.

>>345684023
>mindless grinding and fetchquests and progressing the laughably stupid plot.
So just like every vidya rpg ever?
>disgusting fanservice
You mean the completely optional fanservice? Only reason you would've seen that stuff is if you wanted to see it. Only way you see it is if you use those outfits. The game even has transmogging so you literally do not have any room to be crying about fanservice.

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>>345673696
Is this just gonna be the newest shit post thread?

People aren't just talking about the sales, there are games that have bombed (like Okami and God Hand some I can think of and the list will go on) But still end up being good games.

I rented this and TMS isn't really good,it's just average overall.

It feels like a watered down SMT with Fire Emblem mechanics. Enemy design was also pretty meh too.

The story isn't good either, fuck I can barely remember some shit that happens, Characters were pretty bland too.

And for a FE X SMT game? The music is a fucking mess, Both FE and SMT have some god tier soundtracks but holy shit this isn't good at all.

TMS is like a 5/10 game, It's just very eh and everything else doesn't help the the game either.

What could have been an interesting crossover/ studio collab ended up being whatever this is.

>>345673696
Because niche games tend to have low budgets, they know they aren't going to sell much so they don't blow the budget out of proportions. Meanwhile this game was more expensiv to make than your average niche game.

>>345684440

>So just like every vidya rpg ever?
Every terrible RPG at least.

>You mean the completely optional fanservice?
Since I can't pay for a version without the fanservice (and thus making the game cheaper than the bloated price tag) it's no longer optional.

>>345683607
I forgot that, the game does need relationship ranks.

>>345684648
Are you really so much of an entitled fuckwad that you think companies should specifically cater a game to you and only you? Fuck off retard.
>WAHHHHH I CANT PAY FOR A CHEAPER COPY OF SMASH 4 WITHOUT THOSE POINTLESS COIN BATTLES. WHY IS NINTENDO SO ANTI-CONSUMER OMG

>>345681086
>Lack of customization now equals DRM
Boi, believe it or not, everything that is sold through Steam has DRM, it's just easy to crack it. Would you say Skyrim with it's vast amount of customization and modding is a DRM free game?

1. it's shit
2. it's censored
3. it's double shit since the only thing people would play the game for (fanservice) got gutted out
4. everyone hates it except reddit and journos who rated it high to virtue signal for censorship

>>345683501
You're basically moaning that the game doesn't hand you the Airship earlier

>>345673696
>Why do people feel that all games need to be huge sellers in order to be successful?

Because that's how success is measured. You can make the most amazing product ever, if no one buys it, then it's not a success, is it?

Regardless, TSMFE was a REALLY obscure and niche game on a dying console, and half of the people who were interested in the game got shat all over by "muh fee-fee" localisation team, so it sold even less that it could have.

I'm honestly waiting for the game to surface in second hand shop, because I liked the concept and still want to play the game but I refuse the give my money to the jews who though this localisation was okay.

This game wont get a sequel and atlus will probably never make a game for a non-handheld nintendo console.

>>345684908

>Boi, believe it or not, everything that is sold through Steam has DRM
And do you want games locked to steam, making it mandatory to launch it through the service? Shouldn't games at least have a version you can buy from GOG, or Desura, or from the dev website itself? On a good day, I don't mind steam, but when you let something get a monopoly on distribution and software, it becomes a problem.

>>345684886
>>345685032

>are you really entitled

Yes, I am. And as a customer, a paying customer at that, I'm allowed to be entitled. In this industry, I'm the undisputed king, master, overlord of all things that get bought and sold. A company's job is to make me happy, nothing more.

>you're just impatient

Nah. If the game was actually fun before that 20 hour mark, I wouldn't mind the wait, but listening to anime speeches and cliche lines taken right out of Naruto (essentially the entirety of Elma and Lin's characters) made it all unbearable.

These fucking shill threads still get replies so far after release, yet the game sold like crap. I'm so happy for that.

>DAMAGE CONTROL

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>>345685328
Fine, keep skipping out on good games because of incredibly minor shit like optional fanservice. You're only hurting yourself.

>>345685951

I'm not missing out on good GAMES though. Maybe I'm missing out on cinematic experiences by not playing Xenoblade and TMS, but I can assure you that they're far from qualifying as "games".

Same reason why I avoid TLOU, Uncharted, The order, Beyond 2 Souls, and Until Dawn. Too cinematic, not enough gameplay.

>Toyko Mirage Sessions came out, was well liked by fan, and is a solid crossover game
Stop lying, Tsubasafag

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>>345686086
Oh are you that braindead nigger who says Xenoblade is a cinematic game? Lol good fucking riddance, quit posting anytime. Fucking retard.

>>345685951
You can just patch them anyway but since I am so done with the wii u I won't even bother pirating them. I have too many games to play.

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>>345673696
>Toyko Mirage Sessions came out, was well liked by fan, and is a solid crossover game

>>345673696
Because development costs increase each gen and that means you must consistently be expanding your market or you will no longer be able to dev games.

See: NDS to 3DS

>>345685328
>Shouldn't games at least have a version you can buy from GOG, or Desura, or from the dev website itself?
That's up to the publishers or the developers, depending on how they have the contract set up.

Also
>A company's job is to make me happy, nothing more.
Wrong, a company's job is to make money, the happiness of the customers, while a very (if not vital) aspect of companies' is not their objective. If not, how come companies like EA, Valve and any internet provider while the piss off clients on a daily basis they still make so much money every fiscal year?

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>>345686221

It's true though, you know. The first Xenoblade on the Wii was absolutely terrible with this, as were the prior Xeno games.

Pic related.

>>345686626
XCX has a much lighter story than XC. If you really think Xenoblade is cinematic in the same way that the last of us and uncharted is then you're fucking stupid.
XCX doesn't have expensive cutscenes, or any cutscenes at all really, outside of the opening, the closing, and a few story chapters.

>>345686503

>That's up to the publishers or the developers, depending on how they have the contract set up.
It should be up to the fans. We're the ones buying the games. We shouldn't have to tolerate DRM, as it's become very troublesome in this industry.

>Wrong, a company's job is to make money
And they do that by making customers happy. A product sucks, I want no part of it. EA and the like tapped into the dudebro audience, so there's not much I can say there. However, since their games are of terrible quality, then that speaks multitudes for my argument.

You have to be an actual crossover to be consider a solid crossover game
Where are important characters from Fire Emblem like Ike? Lyn? Roy? Sigurd?
Where are important characters from Shin Megami Tensei like Demi-fiend? Flynn? Raidou?

>>345686843

>If you really think Xenoblade is cinematic in the same way that the last of us and uncharted is then you're fucking stupid.
It puts too much focus on story. That's all the similarity I need to see to know that it's basically a movie.

>XCX doesn't have expensive cutscenes, or any cutscenes at all really,
Except for all the voice acting, talking scenes, dialogue scenes, or etc. All of that is excessive and cancerous to the game.

>>345686843
>XCX doesn't have expensive cutscenes, or any cutscenes at all really, outside of the opening, the closing, and a few story chapters.
Takahashi is dead. Nintendo has killed him.

>>345686626
And X wasn't.

What's your point?

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Tsubasa is for marriage

>anime games

these might achieve success but you never will

>>345687031
>It puts too much focus on story.
It doesn't though. If you actually played the game you'd know this.
>All of that is excessive and cancerous to the game.
How? Its just extra fluff, having it there doesn't detract from the actual gameplay.

>>345687031
Too bad the gameplay sucks ;)

>>345686626
>I don't want story on my RPG
How retard should you be?

>>345673696
Anyone with common sense knows that if a game is good - has a core concept and conveys it using its aesthetics, atmosphere and gameplay - then it is a great success.
If it sells and breaks even or makes a profit it's even better.
If it's a good game and somehow sells bucketloads then it's a fucking miracle.

The people you seem upset by, using sales as criticism of a any property, are idiots who probably don't even engage with any medium that's not a forum or comment section and their only goal is to try and condemn something that isn't the most popular thing because liking the most popular things happens to be the most common, default personality in the western world.

>>345686875
>It should be up to the fans. We're the ones buying the games. We shouldn't have to tolerate DRM, as it's become very troublesome in this industry.
And that's true, but guess what, even if you and me boycott a game with that, there's still people who will buy it regardless. Companies only hear the sound of money, if they still hear it, they will continue down this trend. Nintendo still has region lock, even if it's hated by the vast majority of 3DS and Wii U owners.

>>345687345
>Anyone with common sense knows that if a game is good - has a core concept and conveys it using its aesthetics, atmosphere and gameplay - then it is a great success.
What if its core concept sucks?

>>345687143
>>345687213
see>>345687031

Still too much focus on the story. Even one single line voice acted by any of the characters is too much. Nintendo of all people, working with Monolith Soft, should know better than to push cinematics and "Story" in a video game.

The perfect amount of story that a game should have is something around the level of Pac Man, or early Mario games. Anything beyond that is excessive.

>>345687413
>Nintendo still has region lock, even if it's hated by the vast majority of 3DS and Wii U owners.
And thats why the WiiU and 3DS got hacked. anti-consumer policies beget piracy.

>>345687534
A core concept can't suck, that doesn't make sense. It can be unappealing or it can be portrayed using derivatives, but the idea itself can't inherently "suck".

>>345687579
>Even one single line voice acted by any of the characters is too much.
Shouldve just said you don't like RPGs.

>>345685951
> keep skipping out on good games
>TSM
>Good game

There's too many enjoyable games out there to waste time and money on this mediocre JRPG. This crap is the "token JRPG" of the WiiU. It attracts retards because it's the only one of its genre on the console and they're can't afford anything else.

It's Red Steel/The Conduit on the Wii all over again
>WOW a fps on a nintendo console with waggle controls??? BEST SHOOTER GAME OUT THERE. YOU'RE MISSING OUT GUYS.
Meanwhile, everyone and their mother were playing much better game of the same genre on other platforms.

>>345687719

I do like RPGS. Just not story heavy ones. The Mario RPGs, for example, have the right idea. True, they're not perfect, and later RPGs become really wordy and dialogue-heavy, but they don't try and ask me to like the characters, or care about the drama or some other garbage. It's just Mario fighting Bowser, or teaming up with Bowser to kill Mushroom Satan or something.

Also, they're very light on the disgusting fanservice. No skimpy bikinis for example. It's very refreshing.

>>345687579
There's a game with zero story on it that you might like
It's called Bejeweled

>>345687838
I was talking about Xenoblade X. I won't even try to defend TMS. That game is a pile of fucking trash

>>345687920
My bad then. I haven't played X or Xenoblade. Enjoy your game anon

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>>345687914

I prefer Dwarf Fortress. It has story, but it's the right kind of story. AKA playable, instead of being an unskippable cutscene with millions spent on graphics and voice acting.

If Nintendo or Sony or MS could put their priorities in order and make a game as good as that, I would gladly show some lenience.

>>345687656
>the idea itself can't inherently "suck".
A game about aliens shitting down toilets. You must aim the shit logs.

Stop replying to the "Bayonetta is a cinematic experience" faggot. This is the guy who keeps posting his game of the year list with some incredibly shitty shovelware mech games as his top choices and thinks his opinions matter.

>>345673696
They would have been better off not calling it SMT x FE early on. Also letting Atlus localize it instead of letting NoA sink their filthy fucking claws into it.

>>345687910
>No skimpy bikinis for example.
If you get triggered by swimwear then don't make your characters wear them retard.

>>345673696
>well liked by fan

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>>345673696
>was well liked by fan
It can't be "well liked" because no one fucking bought it.

>>345673696
Have we found the true identity of the Operation Kowashitai fag?

>>345688354

They shouldn't be wasting money making them in the first place. Make the game first, put in shameless, unpleasant fanservice later. And judging by the poor quality gameplay, they definitely could've used the time and money to better optimize the game.

>>345688067
not everyone likes your autistic game

>>345688551
>Make the game first, put in shameless, unpleasant fanservice later.
That's what they did though dumbfuck.
>And judging by the poor quality gameplay,
You haven't even played it and you're crying about how its bad. Fuck off.

>>345687170
Marriage to the bench, maybe.

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>>345688212

So you're saying that games need to be "artistic" and can't be too videgamey, right? They need more and more story to keep the player interested, as opposed to rewarding gameplay?

I see.

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>>345688067
DF doesn't have a traditional game story, it throws a bunch of living things and civilizations into a world and simulates years of interactions then dumps you right in the middle of it.

>>345679460
>All semblance of story needs to be thrown out
>>345680128
>not wanting 100% gameplay in your video GAME

If i want 100% gameplay, I don't play rpgs

>>345673696
>solid crossover game

Die Cody.

>>345688650

>That's what they did though dumbfuck.
Nah, they didn't. Otherwise the dresses and breast slider and etc would've been free DLC after the game released. But the amount of time adding in the shameless fanservice, then censoring it half-heartedly, definitely wasted a few development cycles.

>You haven't even played it and you're crying about how its bad. Fuck off.
Ad hominem isn't helping the discussion.

>>345679460
>>no voice acting
>>no fanservice
>>no skimpy outfits
You should get a job at NoA, unless you already do.

>>345688126
That's not a concept, that's a just a bad pitch.
The concept is before whatever stage of the production it is that you conclude that Aliens shitting down toilets is the best way to illustrate your idea and so forth.

In the case where someone gets to this stage and comes up with such a shitty way to convey their concept it's the individual who "sucks", not the actual core concept.

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>kowaSHITai faggots still trying to do damage control
You guys are patetic.

>>345688707
I don't think anyone consider Bayonetta "artistic" with minimum gameplay
Are you seriously putting it on the same cattegory as Gone Home and the likes?

>>345688937
No one comes up with game ideas like that anymore, anon. The setting, story, environment, etc. come first. The gameplay only vaguely is drawn from them. So the aliens shitting comes first. Then they figure out the gameplay. Just like cinematic zombie drama came first and generic TPS with stealth elements came second with TLOU

>>345673696
I wish Tsubasa had more fan art.

>>345689414
No one likes her and her shitty game
Not even japan

What's with all the falseflagging in every thread about this game?

>>345689161

>Are you seriously putting it on the same cattegory as Gone Home and the likes?
Well, let's compare it to another game that came out in 2014: Shovel Knight.

>Bayo 2
>2 hours of cutscenes
>DRM
>button mashey gameplay even on the hardest difficulties (I can't seriously believe that people have died in this game)
>voice acting
>excessive focus on graphics
>sex fanservice (Blegh)

>Shovel Knight
>5-10 minutes of dialogue if you include Plague Knight's campaign
>no DRM, can buy it separate from steam
>varied gameplay, though it could use more challenge
>no voice acting
>graphics are just enough to get the gameplay around
>female characters aren't just glorified tits and asses (no money wasted on jiggle physics)

As a guy who enjoys videogamey stuff, and hates cinematics, which one do you think I would enjoy more?

>>345689541
Undertale posting died down and shitposters jumped ship.

>>345689725
The only shitposters here are the #FEfags

>>345673696
>Using singular of "fans" to describe the people who liked the game.

Very, very accurate.

Someone tell me what KOWASHITAI means

>>345689294
>No one comes up with game ideas like that anymore
Didn't realise I was in the presence of an omniscient. There are games that do, though. You could even say Tokyo Mirage Sessions does, ignoring the development hell and fire emblem cross over stuff it's pretty clear that there was an idea floating around that they decided to use for the Fire Emblem crossover game and it's sort of clear since the Fire Emblem bits are all cosmetic - aside from the rock-paper-scissors sword-lance-axe thing that they shoehorned in...

.. But for the most part, a lot of developers do just slap something on at the end, not just now but going all the way back. That's why a lot of games like TLOU and Uncharted are completely aimless and they don't impart anything onto you other than "oh wow, that sure did look pretty decent I guess".

There are games like Bravely Default that are definitely two game ideas forced together because neither was strong enough on it's own, as well.

The only games that come out well and actually have proper core concepts are the really shallow and vapid ones or the weirdo ones like Catherine, Bayonetta or the Suda51 games.
The core concepts in these cases aren't exactly huge or ingenius, but they're effectively carried out.

>>345689548
>2 hours of cutscenes
So?
>DRM
You are still using this word without knowing what it means
>voice acting
How the fuck is this a problem?
>excessive focus on graphics
Are you implying good graphics are bad?

>>345690114
>replying to bait this obvious

>>345690114
Not him but Bayo does have DRM, it's just hardware DRM rather than SW

>>345690114

Too much focus on non-video game stuff is bad. I'll leave it atthat.

>>345690353
>how come this movie focus so much on this soundtrack? BAD MOVIE BAD

>>345690353
Graphics are video game stuff.

>>345674084
that's not Undertale

The problem with niche games is they are steadily decreasing each year, and eventually there will be none left.

>>345673696
>Merely adding a romance feature will do wonders, I'd say.

Fire Emblem has romancing options
Persona has romancing options
The crossover doesn't

It makes no sense

>>345673696
>Why do people feel that all games need to be huge sellers in order to be successful?

Three companies were involved in making TMS. Nintendo, Atlus, and that media company which I don't know the name of. Nintendo paid to get those VAs, the choreography for those dance cut scenes, the music and singing, the concerts, ect. It's obvious that money was invested in the IP. Knowing Nintendo, if things don't hit the right numbers then it gets the axe.

>>345690817
>side quests come in groups of 3 for each character, just like with fire emblem supports
>in most fire emblem games these don't result in romance even if the ending pairs the characters up
>idol otaku have that weird obsession with skanks maintaining their purity anyway
Doesn't seem very mysterious.

>>345690817
That's because it's not a crossover, it's its own thing but baited as a crossover, dummy

>>345689548
>Bayo 2
>2 hours of cutscenes
Oh no! Cutscenes? That surely means the game has NO GAMEPLAY and is only a press forward simulator!
>DRM
Are you mentaly challenged? You go 60 years in the futur and plop your game into your Wii U and it still works fine. How is that DRM? Because it's exclusive to the console?
Does that mean you believe PC exclusive that aren't on steam have DRM because "you can play it unless you own a PC!!"

That got to be the most retarded argument I've ever heard.

>>button mashey gameplay even on the hardest difficulties (I can't seriously believe that people have died in this game)
I'll translate that as "I played on the easy difficulty setting and spammed "A-A-A-A-A-A-A" without trying to make any combo. Wow this sure has no depth and is really easy!!
>voice acting
Oh no the horror.
>excessive focus on graphics
Real fucking ironic considering the autist over at Yacht Club sperged countless of hours making sure EVERYTHING had the NES limitations in mind and could legitimately run on the real hardware save for a few QoL for "Authenticity"

>sex fanservice (Blegh)
>Am I SO edgy! I said I hated sex and fanservice in my games because I am truely a person with taste unlike these pleb that actualy LIKE womens. Haha could you imagine that mlady? So... when is your boyfriend comming over so he can have sex with you and get you pregnant? I want a son. Please I beg you...


>Shovel Knight
>varied gameplay, though it could use more challenge
>Press A to jump and B to attack! WOW SO MUCH VARIETY! I can kill this guys with my shovel... and the next guy too!! This game has so much depth, you can combine both your jump and your attack to make a JUMP ATTACK. Wew lads this is truely the pinnacle of gameplay. I can do so many things with these two buttons. I'm glad it doesn't have a deep combo systems and differents types of attacks. Jumping and shoveling is so varied holy shit!

>>345673696
>Why do people feel that all games need to be huge sellers in order to be successful?
What people?

You're certainly not talking about /v/, where games like Dwarf Fortress, EDF, Endless Legend, Banner Saga, Primordia, Divinity 2, E.Y.E. etc are liked, sometimes get discussed, and are acknowledged to be successful despite not being multi-million sellers. And in the limited time I spend on other vidya websites, I don't see anyone saying a game can't be successful with fewer sales. Generally fucking everybody understands that this depends on both the budget and the reception of the game.

So who the fuck are you talking about?

>>345690208
>Not him but Bayo does have DRM, it's just hardware DRM rather than SW
So I guess every PC exclusive have DRM because you can't play them on console, thus making it hardware DRM too?

>>345673696
Would you rather work a 40 hour wageslave job that earn you 10 an hour or 50 an hour?
They strive for everything they make to be best sellers because that is ensured profit
Say you make a niche game and it just earns above cost, all you have then is a wasted 2+ years of development that earns you no true profit and likely no good press either it is the same as living a paycheck to paycheck life style.
AAA powerhouse that even sell so/so tend to still draw our better profits that a top word of mouth niche game

You are looking at it as a consumer seeking entertainment. Not as a worker or business man that needs/wants to make a living or better on those games

>>345690817
The romance feature in Fire Emblem makes the games so much worse, though. The children stuff getting forced into Fates is just irritating.
In a series like Persona - which is just about adolescence - it makes sense, but in Tokyo Mirage Sessions it would serve no purpose other than taking advantage of autismos and waifufags.
It doesn't relate to the point of the game at all and would be completely superfluous.

>>345691343
Also many require Windows so many PC exclusives are software and hardware "DRM" 'd.

>>345691706
The best FE game had romance and children in it though.

>>345691706
>It doesn't relate to the point of the game at all and would be completely superfluous.
Did you bitch about romance when Fallout 4 and the Witcher did it?

>>345691831
I hope you are talking about Genealogy and not Awakening

>>345692095
Fucking duh.

>>345673696
Games have to sell, though, Anon. Developers strive for sales, that's it. Simple as that.

>>345691343
>>345691789

It has nothing to do with PC. Consoles are closed platforms. Hardware DRM does not mean "it won't run on my PC." It means the hardware prevents you from doing whatever you like with the software that runs on it just like software DRM on PC prevents that.

>>345691831
Go away Zigludo-CSSSSSSCSSC.

>>345691831
I've only played a few of them, so I wouldn't know... But a mechanic unrelated to the actual point of the game is silly so wanting romancing in TMS is fucking stupid since it's about the entertainment industry.

>>345692008
No, because I didn't play those games since they both looked fucking terrible. Romance would probably make sense in Fallout, though. I wouldn't bitch about anything like that anyhow, but asking for it is silly since it distracts from the ideas the game intends to communicate just to give a fat 14 year old a boner so he'll buy the dlc.

>>345692178
I'm taking it you think I'm someone from /feg/. I'm not, that place is a shithole. I just like geneology.

>>345692249
Yeah in the first game in the series it appeared in it actually made sense because there was a complete generation switch and you were now playing as the kids trying to continue their parents legacy, so it was actually a central theme of the story and not just a shoehorned in DBZ time chamber.

>>345692249
It's not stupid when you take into account every female character hits on you. ALL OF THEM. It's just like Persona 3/4 but without the Social Link level 10. Romance should have been in there.

>>345692173
And this game apparently broke even.

I think people will warm up to the concept with time. I think this series has plenty of room for growth.

>>345692249
Children and marrying in GotHW make senses both in gameplay and story-wise.
Oh wait you are too autistic to like story in games
I guess a japanese-exclusive game from the 90s is too cinematic for you too

>>345692249
>Romance would probably make sense in Fallout, though
How the hell does it make sense in FO but not TMS?
In FO4 you can romance every human companion plus Magnolia and Curie, regardless of gender. You can also be poly. I.e. Bethesda was lazy and just made it to where you can romance everyone regardless of anything else.
You really think that "makes sense" in the fallout universe?

>>345673696
>was well liked by fan
But it was hated by the majority of the fans of the two series it was supposed to cater to.

>>345679460
>no fanservice
>no skimpy outfits
Fuck you faggot, you are the cancer of this industry.

>>345691831
But it had no self inserts, that's the difference between a well implemented mechanic and one shoved in to boost sales.

>>345692805
All true. Just saying that the mechanic isn't necessarily a bad thing if handled well. Not saying fates or awakening qualify as "handling it well".

>>345692503
Source for that, my friend? I loved the game and I'm super optimistic, but with all the 3D PVs and AVEX, I really doubt it broke even.

>>345692462
That might be you just not having any female friends to compare speaking to girls with, anon. It's also common for Japanese developers to make girls flirtier just because they get a kick out of it/it sells DLC/merch.

That doesn't matter, though. The game isn't about being a teenager and having relationships - which is what Persona is about at its core, by the way - TMS is about the entertainment industry and how the audience and the media take advantage of people but a passionate and integrity driven production can overcome their shittiness with enough support.
- which sort of makes this thread really meta since people are trying to take shots at it despite it being a good game to carries itself well and properly communicates its ideas. Romancing would distract from this and be completely pointless - like, what would that have to do with being a professional entertainer and making good entertainment stuff?

>>345692508
| don't know what your mysterious acronym game is, but I love your projecting imagined implications on me because you were offended by my post saying romance mechanics are unnecessary in a game that doesn't have romance mechanics because they are unnecessary.

>>345692596
Isn't Fallout's core idea just "post-apocalyptic life"? Because life in general involves mating, so it doesn't seem like an issue.

The serious amount of permavirgins getting upset because I said romance mechanics aren't relevant to the plot of a game is mind-blowing, the absolute state of this board.

>>345692428
I'll look into that one down the line, cool.

>>345693356
>because I said romance mechanics aren't relevant to the plot of a game
Lots of games include stuff that isn't related to the plot but people don't act like big crybabies over that

>>345673696
You changed your angle from yesterday so you could continue posting Tsubasa threads huh?

OP why are you an actual insane person? Who are you and why do you do this? What do you get from these constant threads? It can't just be the attention. You are way too insanely focused on this for it to just be an attention thing. And your spam did not make the game succeed.

>why didn't you buy tsubasa's game?!
>well actually it sold almost 100k copies so my insane spam posting was a success, to me and only me
>okay well it didn't sell well at all but why??

>>345693509
I'm not sure why you'd think these threads are made by someone who likes the game.

>>345693356
>Isn't Fallout's core idea just "post-apocalyptic life"?
Fallout series, yes. Fallout 4, no. FO4 removed pretty much all roleplaying elements to the point that it's just a post apocalypse shooting gallery. Perks now have level requirements, which means you can't specialize in anything. Your character is basically forced to be a jack of all trades every playthrough. By the time you can actually max out a few perks you're level 40+ and there's nothing left to do

>>345693762
That's called "game balance" so you can't break the game by optimizing a build to the point where you can destroy anything

>>345693356
Anon, did you play the game? Tiki outright says that she loves you. Mamorin gets angry at you because you're too thick to see she into you. Kiria's cheeks go red and Tsubasa says she wants you to be by her side. They're all VERY romantic. I feel they were going to enable romance until they decided to focus the game more on Tsubasa.

>>345673696
Because sonyggers permasalty over not having good games apparently.

>>345693917
Fuck off Todd. Level-restricted perks are fucking stupid. In old FO games if I wanted to play a merchant character or a drug addict I could do that early. You can't do that in FO4, you always have to be master of all trades character who's searching for their lost son. You can't even max out stuff like heavy hitter or adamnatium skeleton early, which is stupid on a whole other level and makes it ridiculously tedious to play a melee character

>>345673696
The problem is that big western developers don't understand that not everything has to cost a hundred-million dollars. If your game costs about two-and-a-half-million you can still make something really good while not needing blockbuster sales; hell you wouldn't need to sell a single season pass to make a profit.

>>345693917
You don't even need to do anything to break the game over your knee, so the balance is a joke.

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>>345693759
These threads are all made by the same crazy person who runs that operation kowashitai twitter, and has been making these threads nonstop for months. Literal MONTHS of this, every day they have spammed these threads to the front page. I just don't understand what their angle is. They've accomplished nothing, and all the FEfags over on /vg/ want this guy to fuck off already so that the #FE shitposting can subside to a point where it might actually be safe to just discuss the game itself. But thanks to "BUY TSUBASAS GAME KOWASHITAI" fag posting these thread every hour on the hour every day, /v/ loathes the game even more than they did before and now safe discussion of the gameplay or anything is impossible.

>>345693472
>people don't act like big crybabies over that
Why are you making such a non-point?
>someone posts that game should have put superfluous stuff in it
>point out why it wouldn't make sense
>"STOP CRYING, IT'S GREAT PUTTING IRRELEVANT NONSENSE IN THINGS"
Considering your irrelevant post, I'm unsurprised by your lack of understanding but distracting from the whole reason behind something by adding something else is counter-intuitive and definitively bad design.
I'm not crying, anyway, just explaining. No need to get so upset because, friend.

>>345693762
That sounds pretty bad, I guess it needs romance mechanics just to flesh the game out.
I'll never play it anyway, so it doesn't bother me either way.

>>345693921
I'm on the second dungeon, my pre-order came three weeks late so I literally just got it the other day and I was stuck babysitting yesterday.
Tsubasa is your fixed storyline love interest, though. Tiki is just your platonic imoutou archetype and Kiria has that whole Tsundere archetype. As someone who has plenty of female friends I can confirm that being embarrassed doesn't mean "wants the cock". Plus, these are all teenage characters so they're hormonal and this sort of reaction is standard.
I get that most 4chan users haven't had thriving social lives, but from even watching films or reading you should have picked this shit up a long time ago. Unless you've only played dating sim games and literally never engaged in any other medium or genre then it's weird to think like this, lad.

>>345694207
The game costed more than all the sells worldwide combined
It was a literal financial loss

>>345694207
You also open risks of it going much worse
If you are not making a sizable profit with each game release you could end up dead if you just a hit a couple bad releases.
hudson soft
Data East
Midway
and half of the EA/Activision buy outs suffered such fates where they had a small string of mediocre sales to stinkers that ended them.

I'm not saying you can't ruin yourself with big budgets but if you have the art of sale (Rockstar, Activision, etc) there is no reason to go niche

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>>345693917
I agree, Fallout 4 is a perfectly balanced game that offers a unique experience unmatched by what other developers offer.

>>345694332
Trust me, anon, these girls want the cock. Complete their Sidequests and you'll see.

>>345694842
Sure, some day I'll finish it and we'll cross paths in another shit thread and we can finish this chat, anon. I look forward to discussing who best girl is when this happens and why it's Tiki

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>>345695210
Fuck off, Waifu. Tiki doesn't love you that way.

Kiria is the real best girl.

>>345695210
She's a dragon though

>>345695210
Great taste, anon, I like you.

The OST for this game is great. Aside from the 18 vocal tracks, the normal battle and boss themes are really good.

>>345673696

Face it OP, this game bombed. It's time to stop taking assignments from Nintendo and go play some other games. Persona 4 will be challenging and fun for a babby like you, give it a go.

>>345695301
I look forward to seeing the rest of the characters so I can actually make a legit, informed post about best girl.

>>345695321
She's not real and is my favourite Fire Emblem character because I didn't understand the promotion system so she got me through most of the first game on her own

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>>345693472
I know it's not the matter at hand, but this being technically a Fire Emblem thread, this subject being brought is a good example to mention that sometimes things that aren't relevant to the plot can make the whole thing look retarded by proxy. And that's saying something, giving how bad and retarded the plot of Fates was already.

It matters when something that's supposed to just be an icing of a solid cake ends up being one of the major driving points of promoting the game, but without putting the necessary quality for it to hold. And it ends up affecting the overall writing quality of the thing.

It's the case of supports since females need to support with almost every male and 90% of those supports are don't lead into any believable relationship. This also means good platonic supports or just using them as a medium for showing character development can't happen because their unlimited nature means characters need to always be at a stasis regarding their personality.

You can't have the main characters themselves develop through the game too because otherwise there'd be inconsistencies with their actions in the supports depending on when you see them.

And let's not get started on the hyperbolic time chambers as a plot devise.

Best part of #FE was it taught me how to hack my Wii U and now I don't need to buy Zelda.
Thanks Nintendo.

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>>345673696
> buying censored games
not even once. It really hurts, not supporting what you love, but it might be better not to bring games to the west if they're getting butchered.

>>345695750
Just watch Youtube clips of their side stories.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z_6ctQX5PI
This is Kiria's.

>>345696125
That would... Spoil the game on me though...
Sort of defeats the point of playing it, you know
I also refuse to give any views to shitters posting other people's creative properties online for their own benefit. As a person working in a creative field I find these actions offensive.

I'll finish the game eventually.

>>345696350
Block ads.
They don't get anything from you that way.

>>345696543
There are certain bonuses youtube pays people depending on the number of views their videos get.
And, the whole spoilers thing as well.

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>>345695210
She does confess her love to you in the 3rd side story

>>345694330
Anon, that's a falseflag gimmick account.

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Choose wisely.

>>345697634
made by the same faggot who makes these threads, yes

>>345697737
Maiko and only Maiko

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>>345697737
Easy.
>>345697779
Yes. It's not intended to make people like the game. That should be clear.

>>345674257
Can you play it with having the crack the wiiu?

Not a single person in this thread, whether their opinion is positive or negative, has played any of the games they're discussing. Prove me wrong.

>>345697932
why can't the mods ban notorious repeat shitposters like OP who just post the same thing over and over and over every day? not all of these shitters can be smart enough to know how to use undetectable proxies.

i feel like if someone is posting a shitty thread and antagonizing people every time without fail, they should be banned. do mods even bother anymore?

>>345698245
>implying mods ever bothered in the first place.
Also capitalize your fucking sentences, this isn't Facebook.

>>345698245
On /v/? Sometimes, but you have to get lucky. Some other boards are ruled far more harshly and as a result have occasional good threads.

>>345698245
This board dies without the shitposting.

>>345698512
I would rather it be completely dead and then slowly repopulate with oldfags and posters interested in higher quality (as in higher quality than sifting through a sewage drain) discussion.

but complaining's pointless i guess, it's not any one group's fault. this is just the inevitability of internet going more and more mainstream over the last ten years.

>>345698448
Sorry. Habit from my instant messaging days I haven't been able to shake.

>>345697737
>all those Kamen Rider references lost in the translation
Atleast they left one.

>>345698076
I could but why would I need to go through that effort?

>>345698961
>he didn't capitalize his sentences in IRC, ICQ or MSN

>>345699265
>ICQ
I still know my ICQ number and will probably never forget it

>>345699265
Not him but I most certainly didn't, I mean what the fuck.

>>345699265
I did back on MSN but then when I switched to AIM, I started to slack.

How long ago those days all seem to me now.

>>345699384
I did, actually. The one thing I never did was use a period in the end of my phrases in instant message programs, though I have some friends who did that and still do up to this day.