ITT: good characters that shitters think are bad because they

Shhhh they're going to buff my main.

Don't ruin this for me.

>>342357018
Wonder what they're going to buff though.
Personally I'd say letting her shoot without dropping the Defense Matrix would be good.

>>342357615
Hopefully buffed movement speed while shooting

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>D.Va

Pic related

>>342357615
I'd rather keep her the way she is. She pretty much accurately represents the Korean gamer: saying that WE WUZ PRO GAMURZ N SHIET but getting their shit pushed in by the Japanese everytime they step out of their MOBA autism.

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>>342357615
Already confirmed that she is either getting a damage buff, or a survivability buff.

I hope they end up going for damage.

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>>342359916
Well they'd better do a number on either of 'em because both are dog shit.

I still dont understand how people are shit with D.Va, are they playing one handed or something?

I seem to constantly wreck everyones shit when I play as the gremlin.

>>342360619
They try to shoot someone from 10 meters away, fail and decide it must be the character that's shit.

>>342360619
Other people carry you. You arent even a threat.

>>342359916
Survivability isn't an issue if you know how to play her though. Defense matrix plus flying away when you get too low is a solid strategy for a harrying tank. She needs to be able to deal more damage.

Shooting through the defense matrix would be phenomenal. Roadhogs and Reapers would get absolutely fucked. The only real counter at that point would be Mei, and I'm fine with that.

>>342362240
>most kills on the team
>most damage done
>not a threat
If you say so, senpai.

>>342362632
>bullshitting on the internet
: ^ )
^
)

Maybe if her mech didn't have a critbox the size of the moon.

D.Vangelion is best.

What if, for example, they reduced her critbox to her actual head, removed the slow when firing, and reduced tve damage falloff by a bit, but gave her a "heat" system (see halo warthogs) instead of ammo so she cant just freely fire the whole game?

d.va doesn't need a buff, players do.

>tfw got 53 eliminations with her last night
>tfw she's getting buffed

I'm going for a 100

>>342363802
No, 53 eliminations means you were playing against shitters. MMR will put you vs. people who will shred your mech in seconds and a Widowmaker will headshot you before you've touched the ground.

>>342362632
>>342356825
D.Va is inferior to Winston in every capacity. Anything you can do with her, you can do better with the Monkey Dick.

>>342364089
>you were playing against shitters
>MMR will put you vs. people who will shred your mech in seconds

You contradicted yourself in record time.

No amount of buffs will change the fact that she's fundamentally a knock-off Winston and anything she does, he does better. Mere stat changes will not rectify game mechanics.

>>342364089
I know well enough that I was playing against shitters. I still get at least 12 eliminations every game, and the way I play her (and the way she should be played) is to cause chaos in the opposing team by flanking them hitting them for a while then taking off before they fuck you.

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>design a white girl
>call her korean

why is this allowed

>>342364443
Even with the shit damage she has rn, she does more than Winston. Also her defense matrix is the best ult denier in the game

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>>342364089
> Winston
> The worst character is better than D.VA

Let me laugh dude. He is only for harassing.

>>342364089
Based on your post, I have to conclude that you're uneducated on the things you speak of and thus, I have to discard your opinions.

>>342356825
I got a friend that Only plays widowmaker. His reasoning? "Well she got a Smg and a Sniper so what more could you ask for?"
Annoys me so damn much that i try not to play with him.

>>342356825
>that shitters think are bad
anyone who plays this game is a shitter
in fact anyone who plays an fps and has for or takes it seriously after 2007 should kill themself

>>342365506
You both sound retarded, but a good Widow is the best thing you can add to a team.

>>342364443
>le monkey is better meme
She has superior mobility, dps and area denial.

>>342365826
Winston has far better mobility. His jump has a 6 second recharge, which is basically 4 seconds by the time you land.

>>342365749
Problem is he does not play it well. and then chooses to Rage about being killed. He's pretty toxic in general.

Anyways Anybody got news about the Competetive mode?

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There literally is no reason to pick D.va over Winston you guys saying otherwise are literally retarded.

Its like you don't even know anything about top lvl play you pub star wannabes.

>>342365993
Dva's boosters have a 5 second recharge and not only do you have more control, but you can knock people back and off cliffs with it.

>>342365993
Boosters have a 5 second recharge and can take you places where Winston's jump can't.

In any case they are both suitable for different situations and for dealing with different enemies.

>>342366380
It's on the PTR right now.

I'm bad with zenyatta, but I want to get better. What are some tips and tricks I should know?

I get that he can shit out damage, but his inability to escape anything gets me killed a lot

>>342366417
Listen to this guy.

He contradicted himself in his first post but he totally knows what he's talking about.

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>>342366425
Right out of your guns effective kill range as well.

>Choose Reaper or Zenyatta
>Proceed to wreck your shit

topkek, I have yet to see a good d.Va player

The ones that kill me is because the rest of the team actually does damage on me and she's just there to pick on the wounded.

>>342366417
>Top level play
>The same as playing with pubs

First off I'm not in the same skill range as the top level players and neither is the enemy team, which changes the dynamic a bit. They use Winston because they know the meta and have a good idea of how the enemy team will play, while with a pub you can expect to find all sorts of different shit.

Not to mention that neither team is properly coordinated. So stop being a e-sports cocksucker wannabe, you are not in the same league as them therefore you do not use the same strategies as them.

>>342366694
Maybe if you're retarded and bump them at the very end of your boost. And well, you've done nothing but show how retarded you are in this thread so far.

>>342360619
You must be playing on consoles. Nobody on PC is that bad, I've played both. My mom can fucking aim at D.va's head.

>>342366760
That's because there aren't any good dva players in low MMR games.

>>342366760
>She's just there to pick on the wounded

Literally how she's meant to be played. Which is why the ones that don't play like that don't kill you and suck, because they aren't playing her as she was meant to be played.

>>342356825
I assume you are reffering to her non-mech form which is, in fact, very good.

The mech is crap tho'

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D.Va's got an awfully shapely ass for a 19 year old

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This thread is hilarious.

The best thing about D.va players is how they act exactly like the spoiled brat she is.

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When are they gonna make McCree actually useful again?

ALL DVA MAINS REPLY TO THIS POST WITH YOUR MASTEROVERWATCH

>>342367136
What's that supposed to mean? After puberty, body type isn't dependant on age, only weight.

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posting OC, do not steal

also, will draw more gremlin D.Vas, give me ideas plox

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>>342366673
Stay in the back behind the rest of your team. You orbs only heal when you have line of sight, and your healing sucks, so you need to see who needs it when. Your projectiles fly straight and have to damage drop off, so feel free to pick off snipers with a discord + fully charged alt fire.

Your discord orb will show people through walls, so charge up an alt fire right when they're about to peak around for 250 burst damage.

Your ult is best used as a counter to other people's. 100 hp gen a second will keep most people safe from most ultimate's that don't instakill, and your team will never be good enough to use it to push with.

Avoid reaper, trancer, and snipers like the plague. 150 hp makes you easily one shot, so stay near the back and stay near other teammates to help you eliminate the flankers.

d. va is terrible. you have to fly in and risk your life just to get a kill.

>>342366673
Stay really far back is all I can really say, and watch your sides, you can discord and kill a flanker in 2 hits pretty easy if they don't get the jump on you.

>>342367375
Right mouse shitter detected

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>>342367375
When you get the ability to aim a gun instead of flashbang fan like a scrub.

>>342367353
I decided to not buy overwatch till they buff d.va

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>yfw waifufags will continue to play a fundamentally outclassed character in competitive play and get their shit pushed in
More free rank for me I guess. Please keep using D.Va.

>>342367193
>>342360593
>>342359916
I don't get this meme..
Is it that all gamers eat a lot of junk food and snacks or what?

that's not a korean

>>342367427
Gimmie some Gremlin D.va throwing doritos at a cobra.

>>342367506
Forgot to add, but it should be obvious, tanks get shredded when you discord orb them, so whenever you have a tank pushing, orb them and laugh.

Also of note, shields will block your orbs, so Reinhart and Winston can be annoying.

>>342365330
Been playing lots of Mercy lately and I'm pretty great at dodging snipers and avoiding/killing stupid Reapers, McCrees, and Soldiers who chase blindly into your headshots. I can ever 1v1 a D.Va easily. The only characters who give me trouble are Winstons and Tracers. They just stay on your ass and have ability to negate my blaster shots. If my team isn't helping the chance Mercy is gonna die to a harassing Tracer/Winston is pretty good. They can pretty much cutoff all heals to the team if they stay on Mercy all game.

>>342367375
>thinking mccree is useless

it's like you don't like popin' niggers everytime

>>342365330
>Let me laugh dude. He is only for harassing.

Winston is the second highest tier tank in the game by just about every competitive tier list, he also sees regular competitive play while characters like roadhogg and d.va see little to no play at all.

D.va is bad because everything she does is done better by others, she's like a worse version of tracer with a worse version of reinhardt's shield.

>>342367521
>>342367506
Thanks, il keep trying. He's the only support I don't feel good with still. I still think he needs some kind of escape but I guess that goes against his whole tranquility deal if he had a panic move.

>>342367620
She is a "gamer." Gamer is a marketing tool used to sell people Mountain Dew, Doritos, expensive electronics covered in glowing LEDs, and fingerless gloves.

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>>342367528
>>342367537
Sorry but McCree's left mouse click leaves a lot to be desired.

It's too bad Blizzard listens to crybabies like you and just nerfs the shit out of anything you point your fingers and start sobbing about.

>>342367517
Oh no, how horrible. Everyone should just pick Widow because then you can get kills without ever being in danger. That's all this game is about.

>>342368059
You need really good battlefield awareness to play his well. Know where your team is, where they aren't, and where the enemy is likely to be coming from. You can hang behind your offensive line and tag high value targets to get them out of the fight quickly, all while spamming those endless projectiles for 45 damage a pop. The healing is only 30 per second, so keep that in mind when you orb someone. Knowing how long till they're full helps you manage where your orb is and helps you keep it on whoever needs it.

>>342367986
>D.va is bad because everything she does is done better by others, she's like a worse version of tracer with a worse version of reinhardt's shield.
Pretty much this is why buffing her will do nothing. Her gameplay is shit.

>>342368312
>crybabies like you
I'm not the one crying tho, that's you. I'm still preforming well after the nerf, shitter.

>>342367375
now that he's been nerfed, the only thin i think should be buffed is his headshot damage or decrease his damage falloff or allow him to shoot a little faster with his left click.

>>342367375
He's a pseudo sniper. One of the few characters with a hitscan weapon, with no spread (unlike soldier 76 or Widow makers assault rifle) and a pretty good DPS even at max damage fall off.

With good aim you will do more damage than his old combo in a slightly longer time if you hit the whole clip and get at least one headshot. Fan the hammer could never headshot.

>samefags regurgitating the same opinions they heard from some "pro" streamer
Twitch is the cancer killing vidya.

>>342368312
If you do the math you'll find that's not true, it just requires you get headshot which fan the hammer couldn't do.

every "x is on your team so you're gonna lose" thread further establishes how inundated we are with phone-posting console peasant children. their picks are so out of touch its not even amusing anymore
>widow on attack is useless!
meanwhile, among real FPS players...

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>>342368772
Yeah, same with Bastion.

>why play bastion we're attacking
>proceed to get 30 plus kills from tracers, reapers, and genji's trying to flank us
>tank for quick offensive pushes

Useless, yeah, okay.

>>342368693
Have you considered that what's actually happening is people are reaching a consensus?

People have been talking about dva needing a buff for months, but there's been a general confusion about how to actually fix her - which is because she is the weirdest positioned character in the game.

She's a tank, but not particularly good at tanking, she has the movement of an offensive character, but not that great at dealing damage.

She has a shield for defense, but it's terrible.

She has arguably one of the worst ults in the game.

Nudging these values one way or another won't change the fact that her kit is contradictory and that's what makes her bad.

Can anyone post THAT one d.va as chen doing the walk pls?

>>342369083
>Useless, yeah, okay.

The thing is, people who complain about team comp like that are expecting the other team to have good team comp too, in which case bastion, one of (if not the) worst characters in the game, in the mode that least benefits him, is a bad pick.

The problem is you're getting paired up with shitters that are running 3 offense on defense and spend the whole game trying to spawn camp rather than defend, so you get the impression that the guy asking you not play bastion on offense doesn't know what he's talking about, rather than considering the fact the other team is asking tracer why she's playing tracer on defense and diving into your gun.

>>342367427
draw d.va on fire

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>>342368605
>>342368729
It's a little hard to land headshots on people that jump all the fuck around as soon as you get within 20 feet of them and hit you with weapons that are more reliable than your hitscan piece of shit.

You could snipe better with S76's rifle by tap firing than with McCree's revolver.

>>342369174
>Have you considered that what's actually happening is people are reaching a consensus?
>using the exact same phrasing a dozen times in a single thread
No, that's not consensus, it's literally just a meme.

>>342369678
If you can't land one headshot in 6 shots you have bad aim.

>>342358350
Yeah you're right. Starcraft never existed.

>>342369678
By this logic Widowmaker is useless which isn't true.

You just don't have good aim.

>>342369879
Then why does nobody in high-level play choose D.Va. She is a fundamentally broken character, broken in the sense of "defective". The most they can do to buff her is to both increase offence and decrease the XBOX HUGE hitbox, and it still won't address the shit defence matrix and telegraphed ult.

Anyone got the chen D.va "Your motherfucking life ends 30 minutes from now"?

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>>342369459
The people who complain about team comp are the level 8 Honzo's who do nothing all game and then get POTG for timing the ult right. I don't know who the fuck you're meeting out there, but literally everyone that's every complained about team comp in one of my games has been a shitty genji, honzo, or widowmaker.

>>342369879
Please point to all the samefagging so I can humiliate you.

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>>342367698

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>>342369994
McCree isn't made to shoot people from across the map while they're distracted by something else like Widowmaker is. He's literally a "1v1 me fgt" character that's supposed to get all up in someone's face and pick them off from the rest of their team.

>>342370453
and he can still do that to everyone except tanks

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>they don't play D.va as a larger, more annoying Tracer

>>342356825
how do you play her?

>>342356825
D'Va manages to be the worst tank despite being the tankiest hero in the game

Kill yourself

>>342367986
Her shield is pretty good for stopping ults

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>>342369678
>It's hard to land headshots
You have a flashbang that stops them from moving.
You have shit aim.

>>342370453
He's a mid to long range character, he's like a hanzo for people who can aim, I don't understand what your issue is, anon.

Just play winston instead, then you don't have to aim.

>>342370579
She's not a tank, dumbfuck.

>>342370569
Drop her and play Mei instead.

>>342356825

Hanzo. I am completely convinced people only hate him because of bad people in the game, but I could associate bad players with any character.

>>342370624
>people let you walk up to them and flashbang them every time you show up

I guess we just don't share the same servers since the people I play against actually know how to play the game.

>>342370579
Refer to this >>342370557

>>342370590
>Her shield is pretty good for stopping ults
Reinhardt's shield can stop all of the same ults, but protect his entire team in the process - plus it can be held until it breaks.

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>>342363802
>I tapped an enemy across the map for 3 damage while my team did the rest
>I'm a god xd

>>342370678
>in the tank tree
>shit at tanking
>shit damage
>shit ult that a retarded monkey can dodge
why do waifu fags defend this dumb korean cunt, she is literally one of if not the most worthless char in the game next to zenyatta

>>342370935

Blizzard is stupid for putting her in tank, like Symmetra being in Support.

>>342370876
By that logic you should still be able to meatshot them from the same distance they're pecking you at.

>>342368312
>Over 800 damage in 1.5 seconds was balanced
Glad your braindead character got nerfed

>>342367620
'Gamers' are well known for their love of doritos

It's the kind of food you can just keep shoving into your pie-hole without thought, to maximize gayming time

>>342369678

>your hitscan piece of shit

lol what ?

You can peek kill dumb Bastions, you can gank Tracers and other squishies by just slamming them with 3 or 4 bullets while maybe your team is helping too. You can ez-mode Tracer and Genji with a well placed flashbang. You can blow Phahara(?) out of the sky pretty fucking quick if you're a good shot. You should use your Ult while your team is around and you're in combat, people least expect it then and you only need maybe one full second to get headshots lined up.

He's one of my favorites baka.

>>342370935
>I have no critical thinking skills
Blizzard is clearly wrong.

>>342371013
blizzard is stupid for adding her at all, she does literally nothing that makes her worth a pick over another damage dealer or tank.
>b-but m~muh waifu
name me one thing she has over any other character, i'll name you at least 5 that do the job better.

>>342356825
How is she better than Winston in any way, shape or form?

>that feel when Bastion is shit

I wish he wasn't

>>342371187
Mobility.

>>342370629
>McCree is long range
Wat?

>Less damage mitigation than Rinehardt
>Less mobility than winston
>Less damage than Roadhog
>Less situational than Zar

What is her use again?

>>342371187

Teleporter, the strongest ult in the game.

>>342371228
She isn't, but Winston is also a character that shitters think is bad because they don't know how to play him

>>342371228
>again with this meme
Read the fucking thread.

>>342370882
>Larger more annoying Tracer with half the survivability
Yea my point still stands

>>342371278
Winston is a more mobile tank, genji, pharah, tracer, reaper, and trashmouse are more mobile dps, lucio is a more mobile healer.

happened about 30mins ago
>Lijiang Tower
>decide to play D.Va because why not
>can push people off on Night Market and can get to the point quickly
>her ult can clear the point for a few seconds to push in
>I was wrong
>enemy team has Reaper and Winston
>they both focus me every time I'm in range, which D.Va must be for best damage
>try to avoid them and hunt the Junkrat, Soldier and Lucio
>Reaper and Winston both hunt me instead of killing my mates
>get my shit slapped every time despite using Defense Matrix and boosting away for health, the Winston even hunts me down without the Meka, I can only bring him to <100HP before dying, he got killed right after every time, even while using his ult
>I eventually switch to Roadhog and make Winston flee in terror
I admit I'm not good with D.Va, but I did not expect to do this bad with her either.
Do you have any advice?

D.Va's main trick is spamming hits over a wide enough range to get credit for other peoples' kills. Her damage output is pathetic enough that you can ignore her most of the time. She has to be standing on top of you firing point blank to actually deal real damage, and even then latency may eat some of those hits as people move around.

If they buff anything but her damage, it'll be pointless. Her problem now is that once she gets someplace, she can't threaten anyone unless she's blowing herself up. Her only real function right now is getting behind teams and either distracting them or attacking turrets or snipers. She's a flying Winston that can't stick to targets long enough to deal damage.

>>342371013
>Blizzard is stupid for putting her in tank, like Symmetra being in Support.
>Symmetra being in Support

The teleporter acts like a 5 second rez that she doesn't need to be there for.
She is absolutely a support character.

>>342371337
To be annoying, to the enemy team for putting a doughy brick of hp in their way, and for her team by being useless

I want to see the damage done stats of all the DVa's parading their 50 elim matches

>>342371345
were talking about D'va not worst support.

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>>342371278
>Winston

>>342371345
>Tracer
>STRONGEST ULT IN THE GAME HOLY SHIT TOP KEK THIS IS HOW DESPERATE YOU WAIFUSHITTERS ARE

>>342371337
>More armor than Reinhardt
>More mobility than Winston
>More DPS than Roadhog
>More area denial than Zar
ftfy

>>342370898
DVa's shield completely absorbs some ults Reinhardt barrier cant, like Zarya's gravity bomb. It can also eat any hitscan or projectile based ult just by being in front of it, like Soldier 76's, McCree's, a ground level Pharah, etc.

>>342371032
>bodyshotting someone
>as McCree

Literally every other offense hero does this better than McCree.

McCree's power was in his stupidly strong combo and now that it's been taken away, he's useless. Picking McCree now is like wasting an entire teammate that could have been something useful.

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>>342367620
doritos and mountain dew market themselves towards gamers.

so its a meme now

>>342371452
>Do you have any advice?
wait for buff

>>342371419
None of those are more mobile than D.Va. Tracer may cover more distance but she can't move in full 3D.

>>342371337
she can knockback
she can completely negate ults with her shield

that's all I got

>>342371641
>he still believes in the D.Va buff meme

>>342356825
D.Va is literally worthless except for absorbing Qs
>Aiming your Q at D.Va unless she recently used it
lol git gud

>>342371527

Oh, uh D.va has great mobility and has several lives since she can just mech up again, but she does have ass damage, survivability and a gigantic head hitbox.

>>342371617
>DVa's shield completely absorbs some ults Reinhardt barrier cant, like Zarya's gravity bomb.

This is the only case in which dva's shield is good, and in which case it's an incredibly unlikely event to happen, since that ult comes out almost instantly.

Rienhardt's shield is better in every other case in the entire game.

>>342371620
The only difference post nerf is that he can't one shot tanks with the combo
He can still one shot every other character in the game with FtH, and if you don't think that's valuable you're a damn fool

>>342371365
>Tells Anon to read thread
>Can't be bothered to read post

AAAAAAANNNNND IIIIIIIIIIIeeeIIIIII WIIIIIILLL AAAAALWAAAAAAAYS LOOOOOOOOOOOVE (You)

>>342371617
>>342371845
Your D.va would need to have phsyhic precognition to know when that ult is coming out and thustly time it accordingly

Meanwhile

>Rinehardt floats in place with his shield up stopping any damage from popping his team

>>342371419

>Lucio not more mobile than DVA.

Found the console shitter

>>342371572
>Negated by enormous headbox
>Hardly true
>Please tell me you don't actually believe this
>Zarya scares people away just because of her shields so no

>>342370882
>Four times the size with six times the crit box
>Isn't invisible to the opposing player if they aren't paying attention to them at all times.
>Not even as fast normally
>Vertical advantage is useless when you're, again, four times as big and can't shoot, shield, and boost at the same time.

>>342371452
Recognize who you can't duel. Reaper and 76 will murder your mech. They also can't catch you so fly away an pick a different target.
Not sure why you had issues with Winston though, aim for his head and there's no way you'll go down first if it's 1v1.

>>342371679
Look, you can't just refute the fact that Winston is more mobile
His jump is on a one second longer CD, but it completes about 4x faster and can go father
Also, the CD on DVa's propulsion thing doesn't start until the 3 second duration has ended, effectively giving it a longer CD than Winston's
And because hers takes longer to complete it's both harder to surprise enemies and get out of danger in a fast manner

Why is D.VA's ultimate the only one in the entire game with flashing-impossible-to-miss warning sighsup the kazoo? The warning sign is directional also indicating exactly where it's coming from. I've litterarly never seen anyone die to the blast except D.VA's dying of their own blast.

I guess it makes a "good" area of denial for a wooping 5 seconds but that's it.

>>342371868
He can only just barely one shot other characters with the combo. Miss even one shot of your right click or the enemy has some armor and you're dead. Not even worth using anymore tbqh.

>>342372053

He didn't say that faggot calm down

>>342372227
>Why is D.VA's ultimate the only one in the entire game with flashing-impossible-to-miss warning sighsup the kazoo?

Because in the beta people complained that they couldn't tell where it was if they had the sound down or were hard of hearing.

>>342356825
>>342358121
Dva isn't a bad character, she's just a bad tank.

People either pick her as a tank, or they see a teammate pick Dva, think "oh we have a tank now I can just play Genji instead" and the team goes through the match without a decent tank.

That's the problem with Dva. That's why they say Dva is bad.

>>342372227

I was surprised they did not put the same marker over Mcree during High Noon.

>>342362413
>>342359916
I don't get the survivability thing either. I can easily go an entire match without ever dying. She can fly away from just about anything, as long as you don't immediately start firing the moment you get into position with your jets. You can give her a hundred more health and it's not going to do anything.

The problem with a tank in any game is the tank has to have a secondary function to make them worth shooting over harder to hit enemies. MMOs have threat mechanics, MOBAs have either disruption abilities or taunts or so on. Even Reinhardt can fuck people up really badly if he gets close enough, and even catch you with his rush. Roadhog can deal a lot of damage and pull people out of their teams.

DVa has a movement ability and the ability to stop ranged fire from anyone who's attacking her, which they have no real imperative to do since she has no offensive abilities and her weapon damage is pathetic. You can't design a tank like that. To make her a threat you'd need to give her a ludicrous amount of health so she can brawl in team fights, which she's not supposed to do. She just has a poorly designed kit for her role.

>>342367506
All hail door dog

>>342372138
d.va should always be taking advantage of the alternative alleyway entrances
she really shouldn't be just walking through the front door with the rest of the team unless you've got two healers or something

>>342362632
>most kills on the team
Probably. DVas are good at thieving kills.
>most damage done
No, you don't.

>>342372082
>Negated by enormous headbox
Only from the front
>Hardly true
Entirely true. Full control over your flight on a shorter cooldown and more reliably does damage.
>Please tell me you don't actually believe this
Depends on range, which is shit for both of them but D.Va will win a duel with Roadhog every time.
>Zarya scares people away just because of her shields so no
Zarya can be outplayed. If D.Va drops her ult on point then your only option is to abandon it for several seconds.

>>342372232
Nobody had problems landing 6 shots before the nerf, nobody has problems after
But fine, if you can't hit an immobile target or land a single headshot, go play another character that doesn't require aiming

>>342372354

To be fair, I played the beta and D.Va's ultimate was buggy and depending on how she fired it, you would get the warning sounds coming from a different direction than where the mech actually was.

>>342372354
It also happens to tracers bombs

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>>342364742
>implying there's a difference

>>342372510
>D.Va will win a duel with Roadhog every time
good one

>>342358350
You should learn who Infiltration is

>>342372010
Not that guy but ults can be baited and after a certain point in the game, you should be expecting someone to have one charged. All ults have a good second of "CHECK IT OUT, I'M POPPING MY ULT" before the ult is popped so you can quickly hit E and boost and try to be at the right spot at the right time. It's not guaranteed or anything but trying is how you eventually succeed.

Even with instant ults like reaper or pharah, you have enough time to hit E and look at them. She's pretty good at blocking ults dude.

>>342372586
So they made a work-around instead of addressing the actual issue? Bravo blizzard.

>>342372510
see >>342372184
with regards to mobility

>>342370798
>Never has to reload.
>12 Second cooldown on walls arrow.
>Scattershot at tank's feet.
Hanzo is great, people are just relying on his dragon too much.

>>342372493
>No, you don't

not the same guy but as a d.va main I get golds on damage more often than not, and silvers the rest of the time.

>>342356825
How do I into D.va?

>>342372593
Ignoring the fact that no tracer ever throws the bomb in someone's face, any tank is going to shrug that off, and it's not even high damage enough to actually pop winston's bubble.

Not really helping there, buddy.

>>342372053
>being unable to read
hey nigger, you should return that computer to whichever white person you stole it from.

>>342372578
>go play another character

No.

>>342372385

She can kill Lucio and Mercy pretty fast with the boost -> Melee cancel -> point blank shot combo and come in from just about any angle thanks to boost's mobility.

But is taking out the supports and putting up defensive matrix before flying back out if they rest of the team turns to you as disruptive as some of the other tanks?

>>342372510

So Zarya can be outplayed but the mech can't? Stop cherrypicking.

Roadhog can hook it away. Every other tank, including Zarya can shield tank it. Mei can also block it.

Come on Anon, play the game.

>>342372781
That doesn't make it better. Winston needs a clear trajectory or his jump is cut short, making it only viable in open spaces, whereas D.Va boost works anywhere and everywhere.

>>342372371
>>342372385
Oh look it's the "Dva is a bad tank" meme

>>342356825
>d.va main
>damn near 3:1 k/d
suck it, cunts

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I love it when people ignore me when I'm playing Dva thinking that I'm not a threat. Please continue to think shes not good.

>>342372983
>Roadhog can hook it away
And kill himself in the process.

>>342372746

They apparently did both. Yeah it's fucking stupid.

I love enemy dvas, walking ult battery on the other team that doesn't have the threat of hooking you or actually doing anything other than be annoying at the best of times.

>>342372831
you forgot arrow hitboxes the size of Rhode Island

>>342372510
>>342372617
roadhog absolutely destroys d.va
>hook her through her defensive matrix
>first shot is nothing but headshot and eats half her health thanks to d.va's terrible hitbox
>99% of the time she will now try to fly away
>kill her with a right click because all her armor is now gone

>>342373097

I mean I guess if he's bad but that applies to everyone.

>>342373009
Calling stuff a meme like that's automatically a bad thing is a meme.

>>342373215
>size of Rhode Island

I've never heard this saying, ever.

>>342373093
Of course you'd think she's good when all you play is low-ranking shitters :^)

>>342373093
but your not a threat, it takes me a total of 4 seconds to kill you as road hog and go back along my merry way with only 150 hp lost.

>>342372993
All I can say is get better with his jump
With the right angle you can get around anything, and you can use the momentum to slide off of objects to get around corners

One of the most effective maps to play Winston on is the second point of Temple of Anubis, and that's cluttered as hell, but you can use the jump to get around walls and flank much faster that DVa can

>>342373035
it doesn't count her mech getting killed so that's a bit of a false statistic. I once went through an entire round as DVa without dieing, but I sure as shit would have died plenty of times if she died with the mech.

>>342373238

And that's a bad roadhog. Good ones will shoot hook shoot punch before she can do shit and cripple her.

>>342373349
>low ranking
>overwatch
do you know what game youre playing?

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Speaking of mcree, I don't have much experience as him but is it always recommended to follow pocket sand with fan the hammer? Can you chain headshots with M1 off it and get better damage?

>>342373332
(it means they are huge)

>>342356825
D.Va is really good for search and destroy anti-sniper or anti-turret.

People just need to use her boost more. It has a really fast cool down

>>342373332
you have to be 18 to post here.

>>342373238
>hook her through her defense matrix
>she immediately starts unloading into your head because you just negated her main weakness - range
>her superior DPS eats your health faster than you eat her armor
>if by some miracle you actually kill the mech she finishes you with her pistol because you're a big fat target and she just suddenly became a small one
ftfy

>>342372371
The problem with D.va is that there is literally no reason to pick her when Winston exists and does almost everything she does, but better.
The only advantage D.va has is the ability to ruin a Pharah ult with her absorb.

>>342372578
I've noticed after the nerf, there has been a large rise of shitty McCrees
They'd either miss the flashbang or they didn't land all their shots

>>342356825
She's never used in competitive play.

Winston is her but far fucking better.

>>342373492
for the best damage you want to flash, double M1 headshots, fan with the last 4 bullets, roll, then fan again.

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>>342373419
Like I said, please keep on thinking that. Nothing better when you make an overconfident Roadhog turn and run when he realizes you're going to beat him as Dva.

>>342373009
Calling things you don't like hearing a meme, is a meme.

>>342372138
As I said, the Winston was not alone, the Reaper was also up my ass the whole time, giving me a significant health disadvantage against the Winston. I could bring down the Winstons' health with headshots no problem, walking through his barrier and stuff, but it almost never was a 1v1 against him and with low health he just jumped away towards his team and was safe.

>>342373616
no shes not, why would you take her over genji, tracer, or reaper.

>>342373492
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdWJOs31IfY

>>342372840
You actually don't get medals for being #1-3 in a category on your team. People aren't 100% on how it's calculated, but it's actually fairly easy to get golds. Whole teams can in theory get golds in the same category.

>>342373462
I've never liked the melee follow-up after hooking and shooting on targets that have enough HP to survive the melee hit
it reduces the time to your next shotgun blast by far too much
though it's good on small targets to guarantee your hook finishes them off ofc

>>342373665
Every time I've faced Winston as DVa he ends up dead and I still have my mech.

>>342373443
You realize she can still cap points without the mech? And her damage with the pistol is actually better.

>>342373741
Those aren't tanks
>no she's not
My experience says otherwise, KIDDO

>>342370191
I can make up stories on the internet too faggot.

>>342356825

I hope blizzard buffs and nerf according to large sample data and not the noisy minority

>>342373638
>she immediately starts unloading into your head because you just negated her main weakness - range
no, because the hook also stuns her
she'll be at nearly no HP left before she can even start shooting or running away

>her superior DPS
ah okay you're joking then

>>342373638
>D.va
>Better DPS than Roadhog pointblank, when he already has a 300 health advantage from hook + shotgun blast
o i am laffin m8

>>342373694
but it has literally never happened, the only time i die to worst waifu is when she has 4-5 other teammates holding her hand. you are worthless if i catch you alone or have even 1 more person with me in a team fight. its not just roadhog i can remove you with either, winston absolutely bullys the fuck out of d'va and and she literally can't kill the slavdike

>>342364742

Koreans get facial surgery to look white so it's canon.

>>342373552
Yeah I got that, but the saying "size of rhode island" isn't a thing. Rhode island isn't even big to begin with, it's like one of the smallest and least populated states in the US so the analogy doesn't work in the first place.

>>342373726
Then your problem wasn't D.Va, your team was shit.

>>342373638
>her superior DPS eats your health faster than you eat her armor
It would take a DVa almost two full seconds of sustained fire to kill a Roadhog, even standing right in front of him.

Also I love how in all these situations, the Roadhog drags you in front of him from full health to optimize the situation for you as much as possible.

>>342373963
>literally

I want to improve my aim with Mccree. Is there some sort of training program that will allow me to do this?

>>342372510
>If D.Va drops her ult on point then your only option is to abandon it for several seconds.

D.va's ult does 1,200 damage.

Reinhardt's shield can block 2000 points of damage.

Mei's wall will protect from it despite only having 250 health.

Torb's turret will protect him if he's standing behind it.

Zarya's shield will tank it.

Tracer can hit E as it explodes and not take any damage.

Rein, Lucio, Roadhog and Pharah can all move it out of the way.

It's the worst ult in the game, you shouldn't be defending it, you should be upset about it.

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>>342374048
>pull out a word because you have no argument
worthless at arguing and in game

>>342357672
but then she becomes fat tracer which no one wants

>>342373694
Why does pharah only have 1 leg?

>>342372913
I never liked the "X can kill [>200 hp hero]" argument. If their only function is to fly around looking for Widowmakers and Mercies, they're a pretty limited hero. Especially when most of said heroes will be in the middle of their team anyway, so you'd probably end up dead even if you pulled out a kill in the process.

>>342373824
Yeah, because Winston has a hard time with D.va. But we're not talking about them 1v1ing each other, we're talking their roles as a tank. And Winston has:
>a more versatile movement option
>a gun that doesn't require him to stop moving to fire it, so he can hound people better
>a barrier for pushing carts/holding points that's very often more beneficial than D.va's projectile absorb
>a vastly better ult that causes a huge distraction

>>342373924
>>342373948
>Roadhog has more DPS than D.Va
hah
He needs more than one mag to kill her and she never needs to reload.

>>342374171
Because you can't count.

>>342373824
Great, if this game was a 1v1 fighter you'd be set picking DVa
But it's not, and Winston's role isn't to attempt to solo kill DVa's, it's disruption, and he does it better than DVa does

>>342373093
Ok. Please continue convincing yourself you aren't a free kill.

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>tfw got gud at wall riding as lucio

literally unstoppable

>>342374038
How else would you consider a 1v1 duel if not both starting at full hp?

>>342374225
>winston has a hard time with D'va
hello what game do you play?
>drop shield
>bully the fuck out of her by exploiting shooting through the shield
>shield drops
>hop on to elevation untill shield returns
>rinse and repeat untill worst tank is dead and defending their shitfu

>>342374250
>He needs more than one mag to kill
wrong again my friend
you really need to play the game more before trying to post

>>342372898
wow it's a real life mccree picker

>ABLOO BLOO I CANT GET FREE KILLS WITH MY CRUTCH ANYMORE WHAT THE FUCK BLIZZ??

>>342374250
She has more dps than Roadhog, but when you get hooked and then shot point blank, you're already at a health advantage.

>>342374270
I only see 1 black thing and 1 black foot attached to that thing. I only see 1 leg.

>>342363802
nigga eliminations means nothing because gently tapping someone for 1 dmg does not mean you killed them. I got 74 as torb just because the turret hit aimbots and hits everyone at least once that doesn't make him good except when he's on console lel

Damage done also needs to ignore damage on barriers and shields or at least make them separate.

>>342356825
>One of the least played characters in competitive play
>the least played among the "tank" class
>they just don't know how to play her xD

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>>342374250
>more than one mag
>hook
>1st shot takes 300 health
>melee
>2nd shot finishes the mech
>hook is back up, hook Zsuit
>3rd shot 1 shots her

>>342356825
Nah, she's just plain bad. "Good" players don't play her because they know they'll lose because they're effectively wasting a character slot. The only exception is countering multiple torbjorn cheese comps or stalling overtime.

>>342374363
>hop on to elevation untill shield returns
>she flies after you and finishes the job because your shield is on a fucking 20 second cooldown
Come one, man, you're not even trying.

>>342374324
I have the lowest amount of deaths with DVa. She has two lives so it's harder to die with her. Knowing this, I usually aim for the DVa ejection after I destroy an enemies' mech.

>>342362632
not him but, got my shit pushed in by another team that wrecked up.

ended up the only one from my team with a commendation, for most damage to the enemy

>>342374343
In other words, in these situations, the Roadhog is never shooting you as you approach, or actively moving away from your cone of fire. It's always him pulling you into the perfect position to headshot him at point blank range.

It's effectively saying that if your target stands perfectly still and you're planted right in front of him, you may be able to out trade him.

What if D.va had higher gun damage, but couldn't move while firing?

>>342371302
This is true guy, Mcree shouldn't be up close, you wait for the enemy to get close to you to flashbang then fan the shitter

>>342373824
>Every time I've faced Winston as DVa he ends up dead and I still have my mech.

I wish you had picked up a fighting game instead of overwatch so that when you say a bad character beats a good character, and that, that it means the bad character is good, when the hundreds of minorities would laugh at you and take your money you'd learn what matchups are.

Winston is a better at everything dva does, the fact that she has an edge over him in a 1v1 situation is irrelevant because a tank shouldn't ever be in a 1v1 situation.

Which you'd know if you were playing a tank.

>>342374494
>d'va catching winston
>finishes you when you still have over 300 health
you don't quite understand the concept of abusing the shield do you? you do realise that your lightning passes through both sides of it right?

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>>342374471
Foot is behind other foot.

>>342374479
>hook is back up, hook Zsuit
>hook cooldown is now 2 seconds
If you say so, friendo.

>>342374503
DVas are easy to keep alive. Just rocket away when your health drops below 100 or so. That's not the problem with her.

>>342366417
I play the character I like, I don't care if im not MLG worthy, I just want to have fun with the characters I like and improve with them.

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the amount of denial by this d.va poster holy shit guys

the best part is that the people saying she sucks are also implying that they think she deserves to be buffed

>>342374565
The situation that the Roadhog defense force proposed was that he initiates the duel with a hook.

>>342374698
I know, but that anon felt otherwise.

>>342374668
Oh, well now I'm just upset at how lazy that shit is. Just draw a fucking heel sticking out so it doesn't look like a fucking jointed lamp post.

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>>342374673
>2 seconds
it has like a 7 second cooldown, two shots and a melee is like 4 seconds, D'va takes 1 or 2 seconds to get out of her mech after you remove it, you do not have enough time to get far enough away before the hook is back up.

>>342374664
You do realize that she can fly out of Winstons range while the shield is up instead of wasting time shooting it, right?

>>342372705
she's mediocre because she's supposed to be flanking and she can't absorb all those ulties while jacking off to widowmaker in the corner. The only time she's the front of the group is when she uses her matrix, once it's over she's out of there or she's feeding free ultimates to the enemy team.

Reinhardt will always be around his team good ones at least and his barrier is not on a stupid cooldown. 2k damage is a lot to take down and unless they have bastion then it'll last longer than matrix.

>>342374720
>the people saying she sucks are also implying that they think she deserves to be buffed

Both confirmed by Blizzard.

>>342374479
I'm not going to argue that Roadhog can kill DVa in one clip, that much is true

But I'm going to do you a favor and explain how armor works so you don't look like a fool in the future

Armor decreases incoming damage by 50%, with a maximum of 5 damage per shot
However, since Roadhog fires a shotgun that deals damage in 25 9 damage packets, each one of those pellets has it's damage reduced from (9x25 ignoring headshots) = 225 to (4x25 ignoring headshots) =100

Now clearly you will be getting headshots on DVa at point blank because her headbox is enourmous, but you can see that without headshots you cannot kill her in 4 hits due to her 400 armor, and even with headshots it's close

>>342374503
>She has two lives so it's harder to die with her.
Ironically that's another reason she sucks since you'll often spend more than a respawn timer's worth of time as Mercy minus heals before you get your mech back

>>342374612
best mcree I ever saw worked his way on top of hard to reach areas, waited for our team to walk past, and left-clicked like a sniper at our backs
then he'd hide when his ult was almost ready and pop out above and behind our whole team
he team wiped us at least twice

>>342374720
>the best part is that the people saying she sucks are also implying that they think she deserves to be buffed

"Buff" isn't the word I'd use, she needs a retooling, since her current kit makes her a character that they'd always have to keep underpowered lest she do everything as good as dedicated classes.

If they remove her jet and replace it with an aoe shockwave attack or something it'd allow them to make changes to the rest of her kit to make her a tank.

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>>342374916
>dude my hero would be good if this mechanic wasn't in the game
top fucking kek

>>342370935
>>342371013
She's a light tank.

desgined to be able to go in and go out. pick off targets. much like Tracer but with more HP, more defense options and more movement options as well.

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>>342367653
Lies

>>342374916
>However, since Roadhog fires a shotgun that deals damage in 25 9 damage packets, each one of those pellets has it's damage reduced from (9x25 ignoring headshots) = 225 to (4x25 ignoring headshots) =100
I believe this is wrong
in the description of how armor works (that I read), it says that it's weakest against shotguns

>>342375029
I don't think you understood my post
Or you did understand, but don't think that that's how armor works in which case you're wrong
In either case, you're an idiot

>>342374956
except her zero suit form does good damage, and is super mobile

there are times that I'll delay calling down my mech because I'm having such a strong game in zero suit

Pretty much every character in the game has their situations where they shine. Some are just more difficult to use than others.

>>342375172
>does good damage
That's almost as bad as those people who says Mercy's pistol is "godly"

>>342375072
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Myh_i7SxT_4

>>342375136
I think the point he's trying to make is that d.va is literally the easiest hero to headshot, especially after a roadhog hook
making your math not apply to that situation

>>342366673
Your harmony and discord orbs have no cool down and stick on their target until they're out of your line of sight for 3 seconds, and can't put discord on enemies through barriers (Winston bubble, Zarya shield, Reinhardt shield)

You have no spread, no damage drop off, and the orbs travel fast for projectiles. You can do insane damage from far away, and discord is a huge debuff on enemies anyone can take advantage of, plus it lets you see where they are through walls for a while.

Always be with people and don't rely on alt fire too much.

>>342364742
Anime

She's designed around the look of anime girls

>>342373441
well same to you anon, get better with DVA, you can boost anywhere and dodge shit once you get good enough, and if that is not enough you can deploy defense Matrix while boosting thus protecting you when boosting towards an enemy. you can reach basically any place, whereas Winston is limited to the places he can, also Winston cant change trajectory once he jumps, whereas DVA can.

>>342375034
>desgined to be able to go in and go out. pick off targets. much like Tracer but with more HP, more defense options and more movement options as well.

Except blizz has already talked about the fact that they don't like how she fills the same role that tracer does, it was clearly not their intention.

She's the only character in the game that you can point to as being just a worse version of another character.

She's a weak tracer with more health, like you said.

>>342370453
Is this loss?

>>342375172

Super mobile? She has no abilities and runs at normal speed. The fuck man

>>342375272
cool, thanks for this
guess that makes getting headshots after a hook that much more important

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>>342375178
>Characters are situational in Overwatch!

You save the day once again, Captain Obvious.

>>342375328
I made a concession to headshot damage in my post, the point was that his claims of 300 damage per shot were way off, and that the original poster I replied to, and several other people in the thread seem to not understand how armor works

>>342366417
D.va has 500 armor to Winstons 100 which makes her better for high rate of fire classes.

>>342375072
What? Armor chips off a max of 5 damage from every damage source, a shot gun is just a spray of damage sources. Sure they still do loads to a wide target such as d.va but they still do less damage to a d.va than a roadhog (if you shoot ass and not head). Armor is weakest to the big damage single shots like rockets or i guess sniper shots or junk grenades. Also not that other guy but if you think that's how armor works then please explain to be what armor does so I know where the fuck can something go so wrong in someone's head.

>>342374020
We won tho, we had a good Junkrat and an alright Reaper who sadly was somewhere else every time I got wrecked. Also our Lucio was able to contest the point alone for quite some time.

>>342375421
I've never encountered a situation where I couldn't reach a place I wanted to be as Winston, and I feel that a faster jump is more valuable than more control over your mobility
But to each his own

>>342375515
>Captain Obvious

Then why is this a 300 post thread arguing one character is shit?

>>342375072
>in the description of how armor works (that I read), it says that it's weakest against shotguns

Shots that deal more than 10 dmg per projectile are better against armor. (widowmaker 120 bodyshot will deal 115 dmg). Reaper and roadhog removes almost all armor in one or two hits on other tanks so it doesn't really matter.

>>342375742
I was already corrected here: >>342375272

as a roadhog player this is good information to have though

>>342375575
Not with that crit box 76 fucking eats you for breakfasts.

>>342375575
she also takes double damage because she's a walking crit box which gives free ults for everyone because she can't fight back unless she's face fucking you, if you're at that point you can just run away from her.

>>342375436
be that as it may, I find her fun to play and have a better time playing her rather than Tracer.

also I take out Hogs that pull me in with the chain, they usually end up having to run away to heal.

>>342376029
>if you're at that point you can just run away from her.
>implying you can run away from her booster, once you turn your back to her, you are done.

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The fact that their are 3 discussions about this game every day and they're always the same thing just goes to show how shallow this retarded babbies first FPS is

Blizzdrones kill yourselves

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>>342375784
because these faggots will argue about anything

>>342374916
>Now clearly you will be getting headshots on DVa at point blank because her headbox is enourmous
Yeah, which is the only fucking range it matters at between his hook and his alt-fire and the fact that Roadhog is explicitly a point-blank range character.

So what's your point? "Yeah I agree Roadhog makes D.Va his bitch but you have to sort of aim!!!!!!" Gee fucking whiz you got me there I've been converted into a D.Va main

Also don't forget Roadhog can literally heal faster than D.Va can damage him at point blank range

ALSO unrelated but don't forget that D.Va's ult is pissass useless unless your team is nearby and intelligent/coordinated enough to capitalize on it which is true for maybe one out of every ten pub teams you play with. I'd be more fucking scared of a Zenyatta ult than that shit

>>342376220
>buzzword, buzzword buzzword, I haven't played the game and have no idea what I'm talking about, buzzword buzzword shitpost

Got it, thanks for your input

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>>342374720
No, the best part is the fags who still subscribe to the "LE D.VA BUFF MEANS I CAN WIN WITH HER XDDDD1!!!" maymay.

Your waifu is shit and will always be shit. No amount of buffs will change her disjointed gameplay.

>>342374149
Speak for yourself cunt

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>>342376414
>implying d.va is my waifu

>>342375850
Alright then, guess i was slow on the typing then.

I'll say that in a perfect situation that a roadhog can beat a d.va, but that works both ways since a d.va can also get her perfect scenario too and it happens often enough when a roadhog is tanking a team like he usually is.

I'll admit to liking both characters, they both play in fun ways that can make you feel pretty beefy, but in my experience playing both the shit scenarios that /v/ pulls out of their ass are never the scenarios that you typically run into while playing. If you get those 1v1 scenarios as a couple of tanks, then both players are just not doing what they're supposed to be doing in the first place and that's tanking for their team.

>>342376218
>implying you can run away from her booster
1. cooldown and it means sacrificing her only means of escape
2. literally 25 damage

a Genji pissing ninja stars at you from across the map does more damage than that shit and at least it doesn't automatically bring him into guaranteed headshot rape range

>>342372593
>You can stick it on to people
>Goes boom fast

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>>342376537
>his waifu is even worse than D.Va
POO

>>342376376
24 hours playtime, 48 if you count beta

game's shallow as fuck kys

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>>342376581
>like he usually is.
You mean people actually play Roadhog as a tank instead of striking from flanks and soloing weaker characters before fully recovering from the encounter? I refuse to believe these madmen exist

>>342376581
it happens often enough that I see a d.va with her defense matrix up, hook her, and it's basically game over for her
but I'm probably overestimating my own damage against her, since as roadhog I'm never not next to my team unless they're all dead

>>342376685
>he doesn't melee out of boost bump and unload headshots
>he doesn't then matrix when they shoot back and then repeat after the 5 second boost cooldown is done.
GG loser.

>>342376685
cooldown so what? does that mean that YOU NEVER have the booster available when someone runs away?

Genji dies very quickly up close anon, im not going to shoot from afar with DVA, also since DVA doesnt have to reload her shotguns, she can just continue shooting at you while you flail around trying to run for your life.

>>342374005
it's small as a state, but bigger than the broad side of a barn

>>342376969
This is bait. Here's a (you)

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>Nerf the one person that can easily counter him into the dirt
>He can now freely waltz up and kill anyone he pleases then christwalk away

Either give McCree just enough power to where he can reliably kill Reaper again, or nerf Reaper himself.

>>342376989
He's weakest when flanking an entire team though, so that's a really good way to get yourself killed. Maybe you've hooked the healer and got one, but as soon as you do everyone else just unloads on you. Now you're dead and no one's pushing the objective because their tank doesn't know how to not be a fat ass genji.

>>342377171
>Roadhog one shots him
>McCree can still 1v1 Reaper in an even matchup
>Mei can 1v1 him
>So can Windowlicker at long range
git gud crybaby

>>342377040
yes, but the analogy falls flat when you use something that is famous for being small in relative size as a means for describing something else as being large in relative size. The fact that smallness is what Rhode Island is known for ruins the effect

>>342377171
He still can kill Reaper incredibly easy
One stun+two headshots is a dead Reaper
And FtH still kills him even without headshots
The only thing that changed is that less people are playing Mcree because they think he's been nerfed into oblivion, giving Reaper more free reign

>>342377171
Flashbang and left click his face a few times. He either dies trying to kill you or runs away. Do that shit again when he comes back.

Why do shitters rely on fan so much? It's a "oh shit, fuck it" button when you're trying to get headshots, it's not a smg.

>>342377326
I'm sorry I forgot about Roadhogs passive ability that makes him completely immobilized for 10 seconds and visible through walls to the enemy team every time he kills someone. What was Blizzard thinking?

>>342370278

FANTASTIC

>>342377008
Oh yeah, headshots, I forgot about how much damage those do when the cone of fire is so garbage you can literally pin someone against the wall and still have pellets miss them completely

>he doesn't then matrix when they shoot back
1. You can't shoot during matrix
2. How bad are these people you're theoretically playing with that they're just fucking standing deadass still and letting you absorb all of their shots at once? How bad are you that you're getting matched with them?

Also on most maps five seconds is more than enough time to get a headstart to the nearest medkit and/or friendly Junkrat to help send your waifu to hell

>>342377016
>does that mean that YOU NEVER have the booster available when someone runs away?
No retard it means that you can't boost into someone and then chase them because your only movement ability is now on cooldown and you move at the slowest pace in the game when you're firing for some ungodly reason so all they have to do is keep out of your pathetic range and avoid your incredibly obvious boosts

>Genji dies very quickly up close anon
holy shit you dumb
reflect

>also since DVA doesnt have to reload her shotguns, she can just continue shooting at you while you flail around trying to run for your life.
"""""""shotguns"""""""
Far less damage and wider cone of fire than the actual shotguns in this game

>she can just continue shooting at you while you flail around trying to run for your life.
"trying to run for your life"

You mean succeeding? Since D.Va moves even slower while firing?

Honest to god how is one group of people this dumb about video games? Do you only ever use D.Va to kill low MMR Zenyattas? That's the only case I can think of where any of what you're saying remotely makes sense

>>342377008
>enemy d.va bumps into you
>you're now out of harms way since she pushed you away
>continue to unload whatever weapon at her while running backwards because she can't keep up while firing.

gg

>>342374608
yes, what if DVa was also a shittier bastion?

>>342369083
Bastion's machine gun in recon mode is also surprisingly decent. Honestly feels more accurate than Soldier 76's pulse rifle.

>>342374124
>Torb's turret will protect him if he's standing behind it.


I has new Torb tec.

Can someone tell me advanced strategy for Lucio? As in wall riding and shit?

Asking for a friend

>>342377753
Yeah, it's called his fat ass loud as fuck foot steps you retard. Once you get a shot off everyone knows who you are and where the fuck you're standing and there's fuck all you can do about it because you're a slow mother fucker.

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>>342357615
something like this

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>>342378019

>>342378019
wew