Gootecks pls.

Street Fighter 5 is missing a lot of things

but the community is still willing to transition

Why can't the smash community?

>>315571742
>Smash is an actual fighting game meme
Nice thread

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>gootecks
>nearing 40 years old
>mfw still trying to desperately make a living off a web show that averages 10k viewers and selling "advice" for fighting games because he doesn't want a real job

james chen lives in a fucking hole in the wall apartment. can these guys just realize the FGC is a passion or hobby and not a career path?

>>315572318
Excellent Adventures gets around 100k viewers. Don't lie, man.

>james chen lives in a fucking hole in the wall apartment.
Don't say that, anon. I don't want to imagine it.

>>315572318
Gootecks is almost 40?

>>315572318
>nearing 40 years old

huh?
dude has to be near his late 20s. no way he's in his 30s already

>>315572798
He's 37.

>>315573121
He and Mike Ross are in their 30s, man. Mike's 33 and Gooey is 35+ I think.

>>315573206
38 actually

>>315573495
Well god damn, those Filipino genes did him well.

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>>315573621
Yeah, he could start HRT and transition to a fuckable teenager probably.

>>315572318
why are freckles so god tier

>>315573990
how can i make myself look like this

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Gootecks will be relevant again when street fighter x mortal kombat comes out

>>315571943
It's not the same. The transition from Quake 3 to Quake 4 could be a better comparison. Quake 4 servers (if they still exist) are an abandoned place.

Removing or "changing" core gameplay features will literally transform the game.

>>315571943
because Smashfags are autistic

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whoremones

>>315574561
someone made this and thought it looked good

>>315575113
that's how I feel about all sfm shit

>>315573621
>>315573495
>>315573436
>>315573206
Aren't they both in their early 30s? Pretty sure Mike was 30 just last year.

>>315575092

Still looks very masculine. He should try harder, asians are supposedly good at this shit.

C-

>>315572318
>James Chen
Getting real sick that guys fucking voice now.

>>315576160
He's a good commentator and his voice is iconic in the FGC.

>>315572318

James Chen makes six figures in some IT job

>>315575092
>shoulders

ooooooooh he was soo close

>>315576160
fuck off arturo

>>315572318
Alex Valle is the oldest with like Daigo running up 2nd at 33 yr old

Mike and Gootecks are like late 20s

Sako just had a daughter, right? How old is he now?

>>315576160
yea fuck james and david

i wanna hear funny black people saying funny black people things

but most of all fuck spooky
dude is a fucking goblin

>>315577646
Tom brady is older then Valle by like a year

>>315577757
When the whole team spooky arcade thing happened I couldn't stop laughing at the Jamaican dude trying to talk about family.

Whens that arcade closing down so I can shitpost about in fighting game threads?

>>315574561
What the fuck

>>315571943
Because the SF devs didn't go on a crusade against competative play like the smash devs did with brawl

Smash 4 has a chance to be good competative ecpecially after the last patch but it needs some time to develope a meta. Patches plus that fat fuck winning everything has slowed down the meta forming.

>>315573990
I was thinking of doing something to take estrogen to grow some little boy boobs, but I don't want to give up my nice dick.

>>315574561
Who got oil on their figures?

>>315575605
no fucking way Ryan and Mike are almost 40. They have to be at least younger than Aris who had just reached his early 30s

>>315575092
I think Ricki did it better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlVlZPjY7fA

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>>315572318
>james chen lives in a fucking hole in the wall apartment.

>>315577757
I remember meeting spooky and art for the first time. I stole like three slices of pizza from them, and art was really high. He had this glazed look and was smacking his lips staring at me. I was so fucking confused and weird out, that I just walked back home and kept thinking about his rape face, disgusted by it. Also, those dudes are like 5'4.

>>315575092
I kinda look like him/her pre htr. The only thing preventing me from going into mones it's taht i don't want big boobs; maybe no boobs at all.

>>315580496
fuck off

>>315579386
>Aris who had just reached his early 30s

Bull-fucking-shit.

>>315581459
31 this september to be exact.

>>315577757
Fuck you don't talk shit about David and James. David fuckin' hold shit down when it breaks. Did you see that time the video feed cut and David some 1940s ass radio commentary?

>>315572318
there's no way he and mike ross are anywhere near 40.

>>315577646
no they are some SF2 players who are in their 40s

>>315574827
This. In before someone tries to say there are plenty of normies. The only normies into Smash are the ones who aren't into the competitive scene and just play occasionally but are also willing to play various other games even not on a Nintendo system, and the others are autistic cumstainers, nerdragers, or even criminals.

>>315571943
Ok, to explain the whole Melee-Brawl split to SF fans:
>imagine 3rd Strike
>now imagine if it was about 10 times more technical and twice as fast.
>imagine SF4
>now imagine if throw teching got removed, a block button system was in it implemented like in Mortal Kombat, the longest combos were 5 hits, counter hits had way less hitstun, and characters had a random chance to trip whenever they changed direction.
>also imagine that the game was so slow that approaching the opponent at all was almost always incredibly unsafe at a high level
>also imagine that the roster was insanely broken, with the top 1-3 characters being literally godlike compared to the rest of the cast
>finally, imagine that this was all done in the name of "making Street Fighter more fun for everyone", and because "the gap between competitive players and casual players in SFIII was too big"
That's basically what happened when Sakurai and his team Super Smash Bros. Brawl. Now do you understandu why Smash players don't want to play the latest two games?

smash has 750 bucks worth of dlc just to own a full copy. how can you expect a professional comp to form around this?

>>315582829
>now imagine if it was about 10 times more technical and twice as fast.
Yeah, it's called KOF.

>>315577741

Xian said he was 36 in one of the more recent excellent adventures

>>315583092
Too bad KOF is dead now.

>>315584261
not in mexico it isn't

>>315571943

>Street Fighter 5 is missing a lot of things

It isn't though it's just easier to do links, people just haven't found shit yet. Only now with the PC beta being cracked are we seeing a bunch of OS's and tech pop up.

People just jump to conclusions after playing for a day.

>>315584736
Don't start that here. That thread was yesterday.

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>>315571742
>Listening to Gootecks
>Ever

I browsed his book, it's one giant advertisement for PS4, Certain brand monitors and making excuses for losing online

All he does is complain that he "would have done that combo offline". At least he admits that a large part of offline play advantage is looking or listening at your opponent's control stick through your peripheral vision

He also has anger issues when he loses to anyone. I am amazed that he thinks he is someone worth listening, enough so that he wrote a book on playing street fighter. Even Mike Ross shits on him and he sucks too.

Those guys are perpetuating the worst kinds of behaviors and mentalities for newcomers, this is the "excuse" generation thanks largely to people like Gootecks.

Niggas need to learn how to take a loss.

Having played melee and being pretty good at SF, I don't think his advice will apply to anything but SF4 and beyond play. Maybe a general strategy for Urien in 3s but for the most part his whole schtick finding the buttons that made you want to make the mistake. We used to call it turtling until he and his brigade of SF4 trolls took to calling it the way.

>>315585336
If you don't think there's a major difference in input times playing online then you are literally retarded. Also SFV is on PC and PS4 and the FGC largely prefers PS4 because of the portability and standardization. Finally, he endorses the brand monitor because input lag makes a huge fucking difference.

>>315582829
> the longest combos were 5 hits
The combos in 3S weren't particularly long in the first place.
>also imagine that the roster was insanely broken, with the top 1-3 characters being literally godlike compared to the rest of the cast

Chun, Ken, Yun - rings any bells?

Do you even know what you are talking about?

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>>315584736
Yeah I think so too. Took me forever to get used to a few changes

>>315585636
>Major

No it is not major. Depending on your proximity to the opponent, there will be lag online. If everything is optimal and you both have good internet, then it's pretty playable, the worst that happens is micro lagspikes that make one of your inputs drop during a combo

But both players are suffering through the lag, so complaining about it as if it somehow disadvantages only you is retarded and a pathetic excuse

>>315586007
Playing offline and online are majorly different. You'd understand if you did a lot of both.

>>315571943
because homogenized crap

also Smash community isn't as, loosely termed, "mature", as SF

also the problem with them is that they always use techniques from the old game to the new one and complain that it doesn't work in the new one, it's like expecting shit like Alpha Cancel in SF3 or parrying in SF4

>>315586228
I play offline all the time, friend. I had an xbox just to play offline with a roomate

But sure, that's why you can't win online

>>315586007
I thought I was the hot shit playing online but the first time I went to a local event, it was a totally different world.

>>315586228
absolutely. see, what everyone here seems to be forgetting that the lag both players get, only effects you, and not both players. yes.

>>315586379
It's not something worth even arguing about anymore. Ever player to have ever gone to an event will say this. Anyone who has found a local scene knows this.

I didn't mean to undersell your player points though. I'm sure you've got thousands more than me.

>>315586660
ah, ran out of actual arguments

>>315586660
>>315586435
I won every local tournament I have ever entered extremely easily (only 4 of them so far), but I don't see how this matters since everyone sucked. Doesn't make me good or whatever. Keep making excuses for why you fucking suck.

>>315586584
>>315586790
It goes deeper than just "man, I dropped this because of a lag spike" It effects strategies, reactions. But whatever, you seem pretty certain about how godlike your online skills are. Maybe hit up PxG sometime and showoff, cuties.

>>315587104
>Strategies
>Reactions

Spotted the shitter playing at low levels.

Those "reactions" you see people have aren't so much reactions as they are anticipations to known patterns, predictions of known optimal options for the opposing player or consequences of conditioning

Stay shit

>>315587104
hey, your right. heres the thing: it dosent just apply to you. the opponent has to do it as well. i think youve forgotten what was being argued here, its being how the books full of "i lost because it was online" when both players happened to be online, to play online.

>>315587568
Well, yeah. I'm pretty sure we agree on somethings, but I can't really pick out exactly what your angle is. I saw a post about how playing on/offline was "not majorly different" and that's entirely inaccurate. I am aware that both players are dealing with the connection. And it is that fact that results in a whole different experience to offline play.

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Think Gooteks will win anything when Street Fighter V drops?

Let's just agree that gootecks sucks and be at peace

>>315588063
>>315588117
Gooteck's well-poisoning of Ultra sounds just like the scrubs I know talking about how, "When SFV comes people gotta hold me shit, watch out!" If you can't hang now, I don't think a new game is gonna help.

>>315571943
because nintendo doesnt get involved with the actual smash community like capcom/namco/arcsys does. prize pots, balancing the game, reaching out to tournaments with their games, involving actual players with their media outlets/game development, etc.

nintendo doesnt do any of this so the community sees no reason to move to a newer game that they dont even enjoy playing.

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>>315572318
mfw i dont have to be a virgin loser anymore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tvrpg9mFqhE

Back then, I always mistakenly read his name as "goocks".

>>315588994
>Branching out o non-gaming things

Fuck, this is making me uneasy.

>>315579626
ricki is easily the best male to female i've ever seen. but maybe that's because i've seen nothing but horror stories on /v/

>>315587382
>They call me McEasyReads

>>315579626
>>315589267
Ricki already looked pretty fem so the transition was starting from a good base. Honestly it'd be really hard to tell if you didn't know from following the FGC for years.

>>315589412
yea that's pretty true. most of the people i've seen start from a much "manlier" look.

>>315584980
link to the thread?

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>>315572318
Also:

>That one last bundle of strands trying to hold on to the hairline

These are trying times

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>>315572318
I'd imagine he's still happier than you are

>>315571943
Many players play both. You don't have to stop playing ST or 3S to play SF4...nor do you need to stop playing SF4 to play SFV.

Did anyone watch the video on picking up girls?

>>315572318
Pretty sure he's only 32 or so

He was 26 in 09 according to a bifuteki blogpost

>>315582829
>imagine 3rd strike
Oh a shitty game that caused the SF series and any other from Capcom to be put on halt?

>>315590938
No, 3s because that's the game Gootecks started in...

Are you okay, anon? You can tell me, you know.

>>315585726
He doesn't, that's why he's calling 3s the melee of street fighter

>>315591175
That post had nothing to do with Gootecks what are you on about

>>315587382
Not him but reactions also have much to do with playing new players or playing against players that are constantly changing/evolving their play. If you are just revolving strategies over and over you aren't much of a player to begin with.

>>315588994
I can't watch this

>>315571943
Transition to Brawl was bad, brawl was just bad compared to melee. It only takes one failed generation transition to teach the kids they can always stick with the old game. Sm4sh will come and go, and people will still play melee because nintendo let the community hang back there by releasing a shit game like brawl.

SF4 wasn't nearly as fun as 3rd Strike when it first came out, but it was still good enough for players to transition to. Likewise SFV isn't as good as up to date USF4 is right now, but it's not shitty enough to deter people from playing it.

>>315581556
I seriously thought Aris was in his 40s.

>>315588063

He gets beat by nobodies in Third Strike now.
He gets beat by children in 4
He is stuck in the practice room for 5

>>315571742
>I barely play SF or fighters
>Will your SF book apply to a non-fighter?

Smashfags at their most intelligent.

>>315591297
But it is the melee of street fighter just not for the reasons that melee is what it is to the smash games...Melee was kind of like what Marvel Vs Capcom 2 is to regular arcade fighters but for the console "fighters". Both were made out to be some of the most competitive games of their time for reasons to do with glitchy mechanics that the player base made work. 3s would be a reasonable comparison in that reaction times are a factor but only if the comparison needed to be necessarily Street Fighter. Otherwise it would still be Marvel.

>>315591328
It's called room for understanding. Are you sure you're okay, anon? If the thread is about gootecks and gootecks played 3rd strike and sf4, then maybe keeping the analogy to street fighter relevancy would limit the comparison to the one of the two games that was more like melee.

Still, his comparison is shit and kind of shows he doesn't really know what he's talking about but that doesn't mean gootecks isn't a relevant variable in this particular matter. Especially if what attracted people to the thread was the fact that Gootecks "did something".

>inb4 rage

>>315588349
>"When SFV comes people gotta hold me shit, watch out!" If you can't hang now, I don't think a new game is gonna help.

Hahaha fucking this. Watch out bitches, I'm gonna kick ass for 6 months before people get their feet wet, because I've been playing alpha builds for MONTHS with Combofiend on speed-dial!

You ready for that time about a year from now on Cross-Counter when Gootecks and Miek start bitching about people beating them online?

>>315591787
3rd strike was a dead game in terms of only those who had played it as their first SF played it and compared to cvs2 and mvc2, it was just another game at evo even compared to ST. It was never a fun game unless you weren't godlike at parrying and the top tiers.

>>315571943
there's always been discourse between iterations with SF....

even myself am iffy on SFV. I like SFIV, ST, 3s, Alpha series etc etc but SFV just seems too restrictive. they need to get rid of the ridiculous link restrictions and make this a proper SF game. the pushback is enough that it won't be hit-confirm central like SFIV

>>315592280
>If the thread is about gootecks and gootecks played 3rd strike and sf4, then maybe keeping the analogy to street fighter relevancy would limit the comparison to the one of the two games that was more like melee.
You're moving goalposts but okay
>Still, his comparison is shit and kind of shows he doesn't really know what he's talking about but that doesn't mean gootecks isn't a relevant variable in this particular matter. Especially if what attracted people to the thread was the fact that Gootecks "did something".
Well here's the thing and this is the ultimate bottom line which also applies to Gooey himself. If you're ass in SFIV, you're still gonna be ass in SFV.

>>315592303
Funny thing. Mike Ross already beat Gootecks in a FT5 in SFV. Gootecks is doomed to a teacher position honestly. Hes really good at teaching people like James Chen/Ultra David but he won't accept that position.

Although i have a feeling he will when he is crushed in SFV tournaments early on. Floe is also basically a better Gootecks hes a better teacher , funnier , less bitchy and has better banter with Mike Ross.

Gooteck's show should die when SFV hits to make way for the real dream team.

HYUK HYUK
I learned alot about how to play Street Fighter from Excellent Adventures (since the commentary with him and miek is more natural you get an idea of what's going through their head during the game), so Gooey's alright in my book.

>>315592886
Floe's the best. JWong had a stream where he went like 120-5 against some guy at his house in Marvel. Then Floe played him in GGXrd and went like 40-3 so the guy challenged him to Marvel after he called Vergil hard to play. Floe was popping off the entire time like "I haven't played Marvel in over a year and I can still kick your ass with Vergil". Beat him 5-0 'til the black dude gave up on games and started yelling shit.

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>Gootecks was proud of beating a 0PP/0BP last episode
It's hard to take him seriously when he tries to do his guru persona.

>>315592886
Mike Ross basically already replaced him by having Floe on pretty regularly on the capcom talk show whatever it's called

Poor Gooey, back to hustling promo codes

>>315593179
I remember that, that was fucking great, the other dude really thought he had a chance

Floe's no fucking pushover in any game he's played, the dude is smart

>>315592303
Gooteck's whole angle right now is weird as fuck to me.

>>315593223
Damn son.

You read my mind and I didn't even mention it.

>>315592725
I think the final version will have alot of combo options honestly. One of SFVs big marketing factors to casuals is "HEY YOU CAN TRIPLE TAP COMBOS 100% OF THE TIME" i just don't see them taking away 90% of combos for the final version.

Also yeah hitconfirming is harder spacing/situation wise because of push back/hard kd not really being a factor. So double light confirms should scale imo by a decent amount and maybe not everyone should have them but they should be more of a thing. Especially for characters like Cammy/Chun Li that feel hella dry combo wise.

I have high hopes for SFV but i hope capcom doesn't modern it the fuck up. I like SSF4 but every version after i just felt kinda iffy about. Almost the entire cast felt dull and boring. I want another SF game where everyone can feel cheap and has tons of tools to fuck each other over effectively. Half the cast in USF4 have barely functioning pokes and the ones that don't have to get in and use the ambiguous oki meaty/safe jump nonsense just to get shit going.

Its sad when a character like Hugo wouldn't be able to win half his bad matchups if it wasn't for hard kd mixups. Hell alot of bad mus in general are only winnable through mixups and not footsies play 99% of the time outside of that rare time a player makes like 5 good reads in a row.

>>315593376
He's hoping he does well in SFV right after it launches, like how he was pretty good at Vanilla for the first year. People get good, Gootecks falls behind. Story of his fightan' career.

>>315593179
Got a video? Also who does Floe use in GGXrd?

>>315593592
nah he sucked at vanilla. he was good in super.

>>315593656
It was a stream quite a while ago (like 6 months?) on JWongs twitch, and I can't remember the other players name.

>>315593372
It takes smarts to be a Guy user.

>>315592745
This is called the act of keeping it simple. I didn't change goalposts, the goal was to provide an analogy, not make sure you can understandably dictate a path for yourself based on the compatibility of your experience and his. That would be ludicrous. What are you, a computer?

Gootecks wasn't ass at the game. Just too many people started with that game and pretty much "bottom-lined him" and had more "incentive" to grow beyond the scope of his expertise in these games. If anything, Gootecks was just too lazy or too busy doing marketing stuff and looking for the next gurl gamer to keep practicing the real way. I can't fault him for looking for dat pussy. Neither should you. At least he generally keeps it real.

>>315593592
It's just his sudden focus on teaching newcomers. Especially shit like, "how to get ready for SFV" How does he have the capacity to tell people how to play a brand new game that isn't out?

>>315593376
Gootecks is one of those players who was really solid when the FGC was less populated and new tech wasn't coming out like crazy. Now that competition is in bulk and people are inventing crazy new approaches all the time Gootecks won't accept his teacher position.

Fundamentals are important but Gooteck makes alot of mistakes when he plays also. He misses AA , misses techs , doesn't react to people running up on him sometimes who go yolo. He either needs to man up and adapt or just sit down. Hes trying to hang onto this weird idea that he will be relevant when the game focuses on footsies when his footsies aren't even that good.

>>315593947
They will love him for it and he will get to continue being that old guy that plays video games but no one knows he's an old guy. Also, he probably smokes a lot of pot and wants to get away with it.

>>315593372
Floe is smart because he has
1. Good fundamentals
2. Very adaptable
3. Doesn't get too upset overall

His biggest factor is hes really good at playing dumb. When Floe jumps it usually works out for him or when he does something that would be classified as stupid that is reactable it just works. He plays with his brain and his gut. The only thing keeping him for being a top dog again is he chokes in tournament honestly. He seems like a player who is 10x better when there is no pressure.

When he beat Mike with a handless Honda i nearly broke my sides.

>>315593947
He's just hustling as usual

taking advantage of people who are new in street fighter and offering lessons

>>315593837
>At least he generally keeps it real.
Well, he did throw a fit and just went turned CC into a full DJfest and there was that gig where it was sponsored or whatever the fuck it was with guests not people coming to see him specifically when he wasn't getting shit I forget it's been years now since then. No one hates him except when he makes lousy excuses.

do you guys think fighters like SF will go away once our gen dies? i mean, i think we were the most into fighters, what with arcades and shit and i feel like not a lot of new blood is coming into fighters.

>>315594285
Yeah the good ol Floke, I miss it

>>315571943
>New game from a series doesn't have what some players want
>W-WHY W-WONT YOU AUTISTS TRANSITION

Did acting like retards finally attract the real ones?

Everytime they do a commercial I die a little inside

It's so awkward, who the fuck pays them for this level of acting ? I don't get it

>>315594285

Floe is probably the best casual player in the world

>>315594364
Oh god when he had that New Years party where there were 2 girls and like 80 dudes. Also Nigri was supposed to show up but fucked off.

>>315594406
WNF hug squad is a good example of newer blood entering, they're all pretty young

>>315594364
He did a gig for Anime Expo one year, I didn't go because I figured it was gonna be a sausage fest

>why doesn't your fighting game tip work in a completely different type of game

hurr will your forza manual work for mario kart please respond hurr

>>315594657
found it again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS7k5HT4r0w

>>315571742
Anyone got a PDF of this? I need to git gud before SFV comes out.

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>>315585336
>largely

>>315594406
Eh the fighting game scene is just waiting for its League of Legends to be completely honest. Something that allows everybody to play a really smooth fighting game without a need for a fight stick, streams well, and just gets lucky early adoption.

Fighting games are in this really bad position where not only is the competitive level really hard to get into, the game itself basically bars you unless you are already invested into the scene

What are some excellent adventure episodes where Mike Ross loses and gets upset?

>>315595284
every

the scar ones are actually great though

>>315595284
Watch the episodes with floe, same with the pro talk eps that weren't the last 2 ones cause floe was getting blown up instead

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>>315595271
>the game itself basically bars you unless you are already invested into the scene
You don't need to know names to play the games, all you need to "know" is how to push buttons and wiggle your wrist or thumb around.

>>315595271
Rising Thunder.

>>315595149
It's free.

>>315595534
>this one game represents the entire competitive fighting community

>>315595523
Yeah but a game that is built to be competitive like Street Fighter is mainly built up of players who follow the competitive scene. I doubt Capcom is going around looking for Nintendo's target demographic to dick around on Street Fighter for a bit

omfgg this is the guy in the pogchamp meme face lol holy shit

>>315595801
That doesn't make sense with how the game "itself" keeps you down for not being in the community. You can still do all of the same shit in the same game whether you have a local scene or not.

is gootecks legit

>>315595559
Not for like a month retard.

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>>315596476
Well who's fault is it they didn't get it when it was free?

>>315592886
Floe didn't fuck Jessica Nigri, Gootecks did though
Checkmate atheists

>>315592725
>>315593504
The only characters that lack wide combo options are Ryu and Necalli

>>315597340
Ryu has a lot of combos though
Necalli I agree with.

>>315597906
He does, but all of them flow from st. mp or j. mp. If it starts from any other move, it eventually leads to st. mp

>>315594615
I guess you could say he just goes with the flow.

>>315594507
B-b-b-but a bigger roster!! And more music!! And nicer graphics!! And more single-player content!! And a bunch of other stuff that literally doesn't matter for competitive play!!

>>315594615
real talk, Floe could be making Top 8 at majors if he just tried

>>315573990
>filename
you're as retarded as you seem

>>315598774
If he body is any indication, he lacks motivation and cannot assert himself to do anything

>>315580496
>into mones
you're a dumb faggot

>>315598743
Sakurai said Smash isn't supposed to be competitive. Oh god what a shock that competitive features are lacking.

BAN THIS E-CELEB SHIT THAT IS PLAGUING V HOLY FUCK.

>>315590938
>Oh a shitty game that caused the SF series and any other from Capcom to be put on halt?

Why SFIII failed:

>Arcades were dying at the time
>3D was the new fad
>There were too many 2D fighters and Street Fighter games, so the market was saturated
>First few itinerations didn't feel like full polished games

SFIV worked in part because online play is now a thing, and it has replaced arcades.

>>315598179
that's pretty typical in SFV... and compared to some other characters he has A LOT of combo variation.

he can link st. mp to cr. hp/mk/mp
solar plexus strike to cr. mp/st. mp...
axe kick to mp

Console makers should design controllers with analog sticks that have modular handles. That way, they can bundle a very simple and cheap "extended stick" that essentially turns the controller into a 4-button pseudo-arcade pad. All they need after that is to figure out how to add another two buttons to one end so that it becomes a 6-button.

>>315599164
>Fighting game discussion
>E-celeb
>Fighting game players
>E-celeb

>>315599301
solar plexus strike > st. mp > cr. mk works too.
also, a mp counter hit lets him combo into sweep.

>>315571742
How can you simplify Street fighter? You hit the other guy to zero before he does the same. I mean you can talk about strategy and tactics till the cows come home but as far as the actual game goes it is as simple as it can get.

>>315599449
What is footsies? What is frame data? What is "Safe"? What is a crossup? How do I cancel? As dumb as it sounds that is actually "basic" for fighting games.

>>315599808
meleefag pls go

>>315600201
what kind of shitty b8 is this?
those are all street fighter terms moron.

>>315599808
frame data isn't that important. It's just about being able to recognize what's punishable and what isn't, and how to react accordingly

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>>315600201
weak bait brah

>>315600201
you're an idiot. I'm telling him that the basics of SF are not just "hit guy till KO" then again this is probably b8 but I still responded.

>>315600461
>Ryu did what nigga.png
>a reaction image of Ryu reacting to himself

how do you fuck up this badly?

>>315599808
>>315600597
>>31559980
Get that, but the complexity is a result of the 'meta game' with the variables of a human opponent and not that the game's structure is complicated in and of self.

It's like poker. The basics are dead simple and straight forwards enough anyone can learn them in an hour or two. The actual complexity comes from the players anticipating each others moves and planing appropriately.

Is there a beta on PS4 right now?

Are we ever going to get another PC beta?

>>315601678
Someone tweeted ono about the cracked pirated training mode and he got pissed. That + the p.c. datamining has caused them to "reconsider" p.c. beta testing that is not in-house (which they only need to test p.c./ps4 crossplay)

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>>315601069
Wordplay.

>>315584736
It's missing half the moves.

>>315571943
Because brawl and melee simplify the game in ways that dont make sense. It removes things for the sole reason of making the game less competitive.

If SF did the same shit everyone would stick with the old ones.

>>315599449
what does this even mean

>>315578247
>Because the SF devs didn't go on a crusade against competative play like the smash devs did with brawl

Because Smash Bros. is not and has never been intended to be played competitively.

>>315594341
maxashillion ropes em in, then gooteks is there to take the money.

the perfect scam

>>315602747
The complexity found in fighter games comes from the meta of competitive scene, not the complexity of the game mechanics. The core gameplay is fundamentally basic. Punch and kick the other guy in various combinations until he goes down.

There is no way to 'streamline' gameplay, it's already distill to its basic components. The most you can do is pre-emptively kill meta play strategy and tactics presumedly for the sake of allowing newbies to win more often.

>>315601898
he really gets a kick out of character reveals and so i could see him being pissed when everyone already knows now.

>>315601898
oh god I hope they don't leave out PC in the next beta. it's not like the cracked training mode is anything special.

>>315572318
But James is fucking loaded and his co-commentator is a literal Jew lawyer. They both have legit jobs like most people

>>315603627
Maybe the book is about simplifying street fighter meta.

Besides, listen to yourself. So many words and nothing but nonsense.

>>315599262
Yeah because CVS2 and MVC2 died too didn't they? fucking retard

>>315603628
>>315601898
>the fucking story audio gets datamined from the PS4 beta
>hurr durr it's PC's fault

>>315601898
god ono is such a pathetic excuse for a man

>>315601898
No? Unless he deleted his tweet I've never seen anyone post a slink to this yet I've heard this multiple times already

>>315603928
>>315603928
Well I'm glad don't use my original post then. It was the virtues of Monopoly vs Go (complicated rules but simplistic gameplay compared to simplistic rules yet in-depth gameplay).

>>315573990
not with those lips, sauce?

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>>315593656
Here is the start of the pop offs. You missed out on like 2 hours of floe playing him in GG giving him tips, that the dude ignores every time. Floe keeps pointing out that he ignores all his tips and he acts like he's doing it for a reason. I don't play GG but Snaketits used the guy that eats meat, and floe kept telling him to do that and the guy wouldn't and then act like it's smarter to go for damage over eating the meat.

http://www.twitch DOT tv/eg_jwong/v/3778164
>When Snaketits loses and says "let me tell you why I let you win"

>>315603795
the whole joke about kyles cousin kyle was that the people who treated him like that were hypocrites.

just so ya know

>>315599132
His word is irrelevant, who cares

>>315606882
>its not relevant because i said so

ass devastation from eons around

>>315603795
If you knew anything at all about melee's scene you would know that whoever wrote that is being willfully ignorant. Also so the smash scene never really needed anything from the fgc, there is a bit of overlap of course but they are largely two completely different communities that don't interact much.

>>315577646

No, gamerbee is the oldest at around 36 if I recall

And the dude made 2nd place at EVO
What's Valle's excuse?

>>315575092
she looks good

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Fighting games?
I love fighting games!

My favourite guy is the Gargoyle.

>>315607043
His opinion that people shouldn't play competitively is irrelevant.

He casualized his series under the pretense that he was broadening the games audience when all he did was alienate part of it. Not to mention that melee is super accessible from the get go as well.

He doesn't like the idea of shit players losing and getting discouraged so he'd rather the game be easier for everyone. This isn't inherently wrong to want but the way he went about doing it is poor game design in my opinion.

What I'm trying to say is that he is a hypocrite. Although he talks as though he wants everyone to have fun, really he means that he wants people to have fun the way he wants them to, which is selfish to me.

>>315607185
>she

>>315594507
you mean like sf5 is missing shit from 4 and 4 was missing shit from 3, smash fags are just autistic

>>315588994
this reminds me of westcoast warzone
they look so uncomfortable

>>315607618
it is relevant. he makes the game. if he designed it to be casual, then, that sorta makes it casual
nope. sm4sh has sold almost as much as melee, in a much shorter time. its more popular.
opinion
annnnd seriously bro. if him wanting people to have fun the way he wants it is selfish, how the fuck is competitive players wanting everyone else to have fun like them isnt?

>>315607618
Yeah how dare he and the people who make the games and determine what's in them determine what's in them and how they work! I and my very small percentage of community who will buy it anyways should have more say!

>>315585726
>chun, ken, yun
Nigga what.. Chun/Yun for sure, but ken is definitely not top 3. hell makoto ranks higher than ken.

>>315608162

Don't expect educated arguments on 4chan when it comes to fighting games. Especially 3S.

>>315608084
i know right? im also mad at kitchen companies for calling their turkey basters a cooking appliance, because me and a few other users think its really a dildo. whose the maker to say its not a dildo and to not shove it up my ass, those companies are selfish

>>315608253
yes, this is the definitive answer between these two peoples pure opinions.

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>>315608262

>>315608162
>09er has never heard the ken chunyun
there were always be a good shoto and ken is the best 3s shoto

>>315589928
Those were bad episodes

>>315608439

What is this goalpost moving?

Ken isn't top 3 in 3S.

>>315608592
citation needed

>>315608439
>Calling me an 09er
>The whole ken is top tier movement didn't start til 09
Just stop while you're behind

>>315608738

Ask literally any noteworthy 3S player.

Ken isn't top 3. Everybody with a clue knows this, you should stop posting now.

>>315608592
the arcadia lists that have been put out havent had him at top 3 in a while, makoto overtook him a while back.

>>315608837
>ask a few specific people their personal opinion

citation. not opinion. citation needed.

>>315608930
>Hey guys! I saw Evo moment #37! Ken is Top Tier!

>>315608930

Yeah, let me just get that official CAPCOM tier list they release every year with the objective answers as to what character is good and what isn't.

What more could there possibly be you turbo autist. 3S isn't a debated game like SF4, tiers are extremely rigid and clear. You'd know this if you weren't a boner who likes to pretend he knows anything about fighting games on /v/.

>>315608521
How can you not love two Mike Rosses?
K-Brad is still the best guest by far, but I enjoyed Scar a lot more than I thought I would

>>315609072

I liked Aris the most to be honest. Floe is fun too, he's a good foil for Mike, immensely better than Jewtecks.

>>315609138
Aris has a very good disposition when it comes to SF, I liked that.
I hated Floe to begin with, but once I understood his history with Mike and who he is as a person and as a player, the whole dynamic become a lot funnier and entertaining.

>>315608047
The existence of people who play the game competitively doesn not restrict people to only playing like them. As I mentioned, you can still play melee as as a party game and people did without any complaint.

I think you sort of misunderstand me. Obviously the people that want to play smash competitively no matter what are going to. Sm4sh and brawl have and had a competitive scene.

In personal opinion, Playing those games on a competitive level is boring because the gameplay has been restricted a rather large degree compared to 64 and melee.

Look, no one is forcing people to play competitively. Sakurai has the power to railroad people toward playing the way he wants because he is in charge. To compare the smash community to the fucking director/developer of the game is a shitty analogy and you know it.

>>315608521
I agree senpai. the 2 mike ross thing got old real quick.

>>315609138
I find it weird that the gootecks/mikeross dynamic was always that mick ross would play the fool with a huge ego complex wwhere gootecks was the straight man. Nowadays the opposite is true, mike ross while still doing the usual shtick actually admits he isnt very good at the game anymore while being likable and fun where gootecks is trying to be LOLSOPROSENSEI and its obnoxious as fuck.

>>315609306
only episode I hated was the final one

>>315602246
That no one used anyway, because half of the moves are useless.

>>315609353

The most ironic thing is that Mike is a far better player than gootecks.

>>315609016
wait, theres a list? why not post it? its that simple, right? or maybe, the past 10 results in say, any of the major competitions?

>>315586007
I realize that I'm replying to this hours later and you're probably not even in the thread anymore but your post actually triggered me. It makes me so angry that someone like you can even exist. Someone like you is walking around with an opinion as retarded as this.

We don't live in Japan where everyone has an amazing connection and we're all close enough together. We live in the United fucking States. Where internet speeds vary wildly EVERYwhere and playing someone in your own state can still mean a huge delay.

Have you ever actually said this opinion out loud before? Have you told this to anyone at a major? I can't imagine you have, or else you'd know by now how retarded it is. How have you never heard people talk about how playing online can build bad habits? Those bad habits are specifically because of bad internet connections.

Fuck. You're so fucking stupid. I really hope your post is bait. I really hope I got baited. Holy shit I really, really hope so.

>>315609258
so wait...you...you agree with me. sakuri can change what he wants, whenever he wants, and a minor, small vocal community shouldnt insist the entire game is played their way?

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>>315609757

I'm done. I hope you're just pretending.

>>315609848
took us a couple posts to get here. final assement: no, no proof except for personal opinions. Im supposed to take YOUR word for it, but you wont take my word for it. see our little problem here?

>>315609921

You got me. Please do show me your proof that Ken is the best shoto though, while we're on the subject.

>>315609974
i never claimed that. i merely asked for a citation.

>>315609138
Aris was fucking great, they've had so many good guests this past year or so, not including flashmetroid of course

>>315610087

Epic dodge my friend. Looks like I win again.

>>315610135
epic dodge? can you show me where I personally claimed ken was top 3?
start at my first post
>>315608738

Someone teach me ibuki on steam. Im on an intermediate level with her

so what is the roster for SFV so far?

>>315610246
don't do the same thing over and over

>>315610302
Literally fucking google it you baby.

>>315607183
He runs tournaments, does production work, and occasionally gate-keeps

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>>315571742
Is Juri good for a beginner??

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>>315577757

James "chin" Chen is one of the most based people ever. Shut your whore mouth.

Hes been an advocate for competitive games before you were probably even in elementary school. Hell, before esports genres even existed there was SF2.

Not only that, he's like one of the nicest people you could ever meet. Hes one of those dudes that loves teaching people the game even if you are flat out retarded in SF. You can ask him basically any question.

>>315608837
>Ask literally any noteworthy 3S player.
Yeah all 5 of them

>>315610535
its irrelevant. its merely their personal opinion.

>>315580086

Art is like 6f. Spooky is manlet though.

>>315609841
Yeah man. The beauty in smash is that you can play it however. Some people including me just think that it sucks that the mechanics were changed in the ways they were.

I'm just trying to clarify why the (competitive) melee community didn't transfer to their brawl and subsequently sm4sh counter parts.

Personally I have fun playing all of them with items on. But I only enjoy playing 64 or melee at any level higher than just casually. This is mostly because I really enjoy doing combos, brawl and sm4sh just don't quite scratch that itch for me so my dislike of their mechanics can be forgotten in the chaos of items or special modes that in melee would impede my ability to juggle someone anyway.

>>315610437
You're playing Street Fighter, one of the most dumbed down simplistic fighting games on the market. It really doesn't fucking matter who you choose.

>>315610562
I know. Unless it was O.Hawk level which was never gonna happen in that shitty game.

>>315610659
epic :^)

>>315610609
well, it sure sucks dick for them. if they want anything to actually change, they should become a larger percentage of the people who play it.

>>315610713
Thanks, but as much as I enjoy SF4 and SF5's beta they're only my casual go-to zone out fighter while I take a break from fighting games that require an ounce of actual skill. You should branch out.

>>315610979
>every game is zoning in street fighter xD
what games do you like?

>>315611074
all of them. whats your po-ohhhhh, you think what other games i play has anything to do with it. right. what games do YOU play?

>>315610118
>Other people actually enjoyed flashmetroid

Nah. I didn't enjoy his episodes, he seemed like a bit of a fuckhead.
Then I learned some of his history and found out that he IS a full-blown fuckhead.

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>>315610713
>>315611074
You don't get to epic :^) and xD at me and expect me to try and carry on a conversation with you.

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>>315610979

>this is probably the guy that didn't know what to do when I played Sagat, and started taunting until I KOd him.

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>>315608837
Fuck off scrub.

>>315611174
>>315611246
okay so basically a ryu spammed fireballs at you and you couldnt get past them and you're booty blasted its cool

>>315611275
I don't know runes, who are the ones behind Q? I tough he was second to bottom.

>>315611247
>>315611074
>>315610713
Wait wait wait SF's fun and all but do you guys actually think it's not the COD of fighting games? Have you never played any other fighting game before?

>>315611386
huge, 12, sean

>>315611394
okay as of?
i want to see your point of comparison you dumb ass faggot

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>>315611371
Yeah!

>>315611386
Hugo, Twelve, Sean in that order.

>>315611481
hey can you not call people names before you give someone a case of the hurt feelings dude thanks

>>315608837
Are you an idiot? The top tier is Chun, then Yun, then Ken, then Makoto, and after that it's a mix between Yang, Dudley, and Urien.

>>315571943
Because it's garbage, not just a little simpler like SFV

>>315611481
>>315611529
Thanks

>>315571943
Because Smashers prefer better instead of newer

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>>315611481
Let's put it this way, if someone asked you unironically to point out shooters better than Call of Duty do you think they'd start listing obvious entries like FEAR, Stalker series, Quake etc. or do you think they'd just fuck with you and post reaction images based off how painfully retarded you are

>>315611371
solid argument! so, what games do you play? ill pick them apart, and you can say how irrelevant it is, and then ill point out how you were about to do the same shit!

>>315610135
>thinking you can "win" an argument
>being not underage

pick one

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Whats it with those angry ambassadors of dead games infiltrating Street Fighter threads and acting like they are hot shit?

>>315611808
well, you can. but he backtracked from his original argument and tried to move back to the original conversation it diverted from, in an attempt to make it seem irrelevant, which it sorta was. only problem is, it dosent matter if its irrelevant if your wrong. because its still wrong. which is the case here.

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>>315611737
nice bait, you got me for awhile

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my god, fighting games threads on /v/ are pure cancer

have some ass you sad fucks

>>315611923
no, having an argument is about having a conversation with arguments about different points of view with the goal to expand your horizon and being accepting yet critical of the other guys' views.

If you don't go into a discussion with that mindset, it's not an argument or a discussion, it's just shitflinging, which is what 99% of arguments on /v/ are.

>>315591787
>a shit game like brawl

You and your playmates have actual, literal, autism.

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>>315612161
yeah, sure. i dont care about fighting games and the only reason i even entered and interjected in this thread was i saw two people bouncing off non-valid arguments off eachother as if they were valid arguments. I put an immediate stop to it, by simply asking one of them to cite their claims, which he was unable to do so. To clarify, neither side did, so my standing on the current argument is that no one can prove, nor disprove ken is a top s3 character. My only goal here was to point out that they were arguing purely emotionally, instead of logically, and hopefully, by doing so, made them aware of it. we can agree that discussions that have a basis in reality are good for the board in general, right?

whose ken, anyways. the guy in the white robe thing?

>>315612531
fair enough, good on you.

>>315612780
oh cool, thanks. i find strangely the hardest part for people to accept online is that they actually might be wrong, despite there being several very great ways to immediately stop these avenues of attack. yours is a good one. just say, yeah, okay. that leaves the attacker with nothing but to try to repeat the previous arguments differently to elicit a response. hell, even just not replying does this perfectly well, as then the attacker has to basically desperatly fish for attention and reiterate his previous points, or waste angle on someone who wont take it. the second you become anonymous, you have this uncontrollable desire to argue your point, even past the point you realise its incorrect. people will go out of there way to deflect, subject change, anything they can, to win that imaginary win.

imageboard discussions are great

>>315612531
>>315613114
you're a fucking retard fuck off
>>315611275
you sound more underage than the retard you're bitching about

>>315613174
same shit. he has no arguments, no valid reasons, hes resorted to name calling. hes mad, angry, but he will not concede. he has to find other angles, but hes ran out. so the names come out.

all he has to do is say hes wrong, or stop posting. thats it.

>>315613247
you are literally the underage idiot that you're complaining about

>>315611275
>>315611275
>>315611275
>>315611275
there is a tier list fucking HERE retard because you were too busy jerking your little kid dick off to see it

ken is in 3rd
don't fucking post ever again

>>315605525
Someone needs to sponsor him so he can start going to tournys again.

>>315612015

Could have posted a better ass than that.

>>315613354
no, your right. im literally a down syndrome 18 year old with the mental functions of a 6 year old.

and i bet you in a verbal arugment. consider this. you are dumber, then a 18 year old man baby. this is what your implying. consider this.


unnnnnnnnnnlesss you wanna put fourth an actual argument that your average 4th grader would use.
>theres a tier list
oh, we went over that, thats the personal opinion of one guy based on a very select few amounts of competitions. try again next time? ill drool a little more, maybe shit my pants, and when you come up with some half assed shit ill destroy you. again.

>>315613889
you're not your dipshit

>>315614050
well, thank fucking god, or it would be REALLY embarrassing, wouldnt it?

so, now that weve eliminated name calling as an argument, what else you go-oh, its just plugging your ears and saying nah nah nah i cant hear you

huh. hey, wanna know how this argument could of ended maybe an hour ago?
>yes, i have no citations.

>>315613889
it's pretty pathetic how you want to try to jump into subjects you know zero about and pretend to posture like you can still argue about them

that tier list is from fucking arcadia magazine in japan, which compiles opinons from many top players and compiles tournament research to make their lists

they are so authoritative a source that they are said to speak for all of japan, and you only need to look at the evo results to see that japan is clearly the best at 3s

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_Championship_Series

stop posting you literal sperg child you can barely spell

>>315614207
> is from fucking arcadia magazine in japan, which compiles opinons from many top players and compiles tournament research
oh, japanese players, right. i forgot japan was the entire world, or even made up a majority of the fighter game enthusiasts.

oh shit, im sorry, i was fact checking my sources and citations, how silly of me. if its labelled as proof, its gotta be proof and extendable to everything, right?

>>315614545
yes, if you are talking about 3rd strike japanese opinion is the only opinion that matters

the japanese are the only ones who still play the game even semi-seriously

if you were talking about a different game, like marvel 2, you'd lean towards US opinion because japan is ass at marvel

but you wouldn't know any of that because you know nothing

>>315614831
Then how come America and France won a SF3 tournament in Japan about a year ago?

>>315611737
Still waiting for you to nanedrop those games m8

>>315611737
Except Cod isn't the grandfather out modern fighters and Quake, Stalker, etc don't take mechanics created by COD. Also you don't see Quake players getting BTFO in COD for years before they get good.

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>your favorite duo will never commentate ever again
fuck you Aquasilk

>>315611394
I would say smash because they try too hard to be a tournament game and got their fair amount of autistic kids playing it, but every game has it now days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEJvshbxwik

>>315615869
>expecting quake players to play cod
i don't play cod neither i play the cod of fighting games

>>315616263
Lmao there are only SF, Marvel, and MK players outside of Japan. Everyone else is irrelevant. They can't even be assed to play their own "Quake".

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>>315605525
this video is so good, god damn.

>>315615887
is aquasilk even playing anymore

>>315617203
million hours on google

https://twitter.com/aquasilk529

Looks like he wants to come back to play Birdie and Gief

>>315614831
>japanese opinion is the only opinion that matters
lol yeah no. even if those were the opinions that mattered most, guess fucking what: its an opinion. nigga, you could have jesus christ himself give me his opinion on fucking christianity, but if he cant fucking cite or source his shit, fuck him.
>but if its jesus christ himself, he IS the authority
yeah, so, the last 20 jesus christs who claimed to be jesus christ, you just, ignored him, like, im ignoring you now, because....beccccaaaaaaause.....BEEECAAAAAUUUUUSEEEEE

no fucking citations.

I just want to get good at fighting games, not tourney good or even top level, just competent. I hope I can accomplish this goal at SFIV before V comes out.

>>315617659
its easy. just realise that the entire game is memorization of simple combos, and go from there. fighters are like, 90% muscle memory and like, maybe 3% skill

>>315617745
I know, when I get home today I'm going to start from the beginning in training mode and just throw fireballs and dash for an hour or two.

>>315617908
perfect. master the muscle memory. theres no shame in it. we used to think disease and shit was the gods fucking with us, but as we got better, we learned more and understood it really was just germs. so why not apply that to fighters. in the end, what really matters most? reaction times and muscle memory. theres no shame in this, and it dosent lessen the victory. in firefights, actual humans shooting eachother with actual bullets? who wins? the guy who practiced and narrowed his muscle memory down to a fine fucking art. can you think of any competition more dire and important then your fucking life? if thats okay for THAT, why not a fighter?

fighter fans have crazy reaction speeds and crazy muscle memory. be proud of it. dont pretend its anything else tho.

>>315617659
First of all do not listen to the guy that was responding to you.

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>>315602972

No, but there was a time when the game play was solid enough for it to be fun to be played like that. For whatever reason samurai thinks that people having fun that way detracts from how much fun casuals get out of the game, so game play is neutered to 'cater' to this audience. While all he really did was make it easier for that one fucker friend you had to run away and throw projectiles, while making items completely game deciding and no longer fun to have around. Smash tour alone should have been proof enough samurai needed to take a backseat in smash bros for a long, long time. Without someone to keep his autistic bullshit in check, he's a disaster of a director when it ones to trying to cater to a wide audience. But hey, muh meleefags right?

>>315618517
disregard entire arguments because it wasnt individually addressed to you! i love it! so simple! when i defend that god tells people that woman have half the value of a women, they seem to disregard it because they dont like it. can you tell me why?

>>315619324
whoops! bit shitfaced. clarification: the bible says that a woman has half the testimonial worth of a man! also, they cant wear hats in church, nor interrupt the males in any ceremony! of course, this is disregarded like the god who can see everything and anything, wont fucking notice!

same with the fucking jews! cant leave a roof, nor operate a button on the sabbath. so they wire fucking string between houses and as long as they travel below it, its a house! and those elevators, how they are specifcially not supposed to work on the sabbath? those elevators, they run all day, atomically! god wont notice!

It feels like combos in SFV lack variation, almost like all combos were already set in stone by deelopers, and no matter how hard you try, you won't link anything else. At least for now.

>>315619473
and for DOUBLE CLARIFICATION: 4 womens testimonials are not worth 2 males testimonies, which means women have diminishing returns on voting rights!

BUT GOD WONT NOTICE THIS. MR OMNIPRESCENT, DESIGNED EVERYTHING AND KNOWS HOW EVERYTHING WILL GO. HE WONT FUCKING NOTICE

not that god, who literally invented logic, could create a world that we all believe in god coincidently before we die, thus saving him from hell. that he invented. for people designed in his own image. that, being designed in his own image, would reject him

to clarify, he designed us to reject him based on logic. and this is our fault. and we deserve to go to hell for this.

>>315619717
That is the price of accessibility. Sometimes difficulty is how they balance a character. The easiest example is how tight Evil Ryu's links are. If everyone could jerk out a messy 455 off of any hit there really wouldn't be any reason for everyone to not be playing him.

>>315619849
AND we base our entire knowledge of heaven, on people who didnt even fucking understand germs. but we were made in gods IMAGE. we are godlike! we are just like god, without god powers

so what do we do? we analyse. evaluate. guess and theorise. thanks god, thanks for giving us all the abilities to send us directly to fucking hell. real cool, bro.
>but if he didnt give you a choice, its not a choice
woah, hold on, who invented that logic? god. god could change this at any time, for any reason. he could tell us that hens teeth are mini dildos, and it would be true, hes god. but he dosent, he wont, and apparently, cant.

so. why is he god?

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>>315571943
>All these butthurt replies
Holy shit the salt is real.

>>315620190
Well, I don't know about all that butthurt you got, but something that has always bothered me is how faithfags can deal with an all knowing and benevolent god. I mean, if the dude's all knowing then, as he made you, he knew all the "choices" you were gonna make. Therefore, assuming you go to hell, god fucking made you just so he could damn your immortal soul to hell. How in the fuck do you deal with this?

>>315622150
no i totally agree with this. god created hell, just specifically for you to go to, because god decided the way he built you, was blasphemous

this is literally a childs argument. that god will punish you for the way he made you. so why fucking believe it? if hes GOD, then any literal logical argument can be disregarded, the literal logic behind all thsese are invented, purely, by god, who can, presumably, being god, change them. but he didnt, wont, or cant. soooooo...why...call....him....god?

>>315623445
and before anyone goes BUT THATS ILLOGICAL can i fucking remind you who invented logic, dictates its rules and nuances? if logic is more powerful then god, why is god god,and not logic?

>>315623653
god of the gaps indeed. indisputable. brace yourself for goal shifting and subject changes!

>>315571943
>but the community is still willing to transition
pfff, that's because they still believe the "it's just beta" meme.
SF on launch will be bad, because crapcom is only good at patching. SFV will be a good game in early 2017 for sure. But at release it's a waste of money.

>>315607183
Tom Brady is 38
Sako is 37
Gamerbee is 36
Daigo is 34
Mike Ross 30
Gootecks idk, I'd assume early 30's.

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>looking at a Gootecks thread
suddenly
>god created hell, just specifically for you to go togod of the gaps indeed. indisputable. brace yourself for goal shifting and subject changes! by god, who can, presumably, being god,AND we base our entire knowledge of heavenwhy is he god?womens testimonials are not worth 2 males testimonies, which means women have diminishing returns on voting rights!not that god, who literally invented logic, could create a world that we all believe in god coincidently before we die, thus saving him from hell. that he invented. same with the fucking jews!

>>315608047
Sm4sh hasn't sold almost as much as melee.

>>315624386
I have literally not seen a single person say something like "man I'm not sure about this game, but it'll be fixed on release so that's fine." Where are you getting this "it's just a beta" meme from?

>>315625918
No one is posting sources. I mean, sure, he made the claim, but you could have come back and posted the actual numbers so this could be settled.

>>315626146
>>315625918
>As of March 10, 2008, Super Smash Bros. Melee is the best-selling GameCube game, with more than seven million copies sold worldwide.
>As of September 30, 2015, the 3DS version has sold 7.37 million copies worldwide, while the Wii U version has sold 4.03 million copies worldwide.

Keep in mind melee came out in december 2001. Got that from wikipedia.

>>315626357
Got me there. I could be a stickler and say the Wii U version is the one that counts and is played in tournaments, but whatever, you got me.

>>315626524
Yep, and I agree, the WiiU should be the one that counts for us, but Nintendo probably likes the 3DS numbers better. Also, not the same guy.

>>315600201
what the fuck an i reading. did someone who understands and plays real fighting games jist get called a meleefag? what is going on

>>315626524
>>315626680
The data is wonky. If it was on the WiiU only chances are it would have sold more on the WiiU, but the overall sales would be lower.

Melty Blood requires more skill than SF4

>>315627063
Is it lonely at the top?

>>315626797
>the overall sales would be lower
Probably, yeah. But then we have this
>This success continued as the game sold more than a million units only two months after its release, making it the first GameCube title to reach a million copies
compared to this
>Super Smash Bros. for Wii U became the fastest-selling Wii U game in the U.S., with 490,000 physical and digital copies sold during its first three days of availability, beating the record previously held by Mario Kart 8. By the end of 2014, the number sold had increased to over 1.3 million. By the end of March 2015, 1.6 million units had been sold.
Remember it came out in november 2014. At any rate, gamecube numbers in 2015 are not supposed to be considered good by any stretch.

>>315602972
You can't stop a multiplayer game with winners and losers from being competitive. You can only make it fun or not fun.

>>315619324
what the fuck did you start with this shitpost

>>315627063
Go away pete

get raped by go1 at evo again dweeb

>>315627063
Muh homogenized cast and dial-a-combo

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>>315626797
I don't agree completely, because the 3ds is a strong system and the Wii U is a weak one in terms of system sales.

How to differentiate a good fightan thread from a shit one:

Does it have Smash mentioned anywhere within the first 5 posts? X that thread
Is there any mention of tiers? Close it, homey
Are people talking about professional players in the thread? You better believe that's a shit thread.