>Best exclusive games >Best gaming ethic >only 7 million

Marketing and hardware.

>>287955450
OP making the same shitty thread about it over and over again

>region lock

into the rubbish bin it goes

Having strong third party support is very important.

>>287955450
>Best gaming ethic

Making sure all games have locked back content with Amiibos?

>region locked

This is why the Wii U is the absolute worst "current gen" system. Fucking even Microsoft aren't region locked any more. Fuck nintendo.

>>287955607


Most of the content is amiboo related so its not really locked content.

>>287955607
>optional content
>updating games to have support in the 1st place
K man.

>>287955450

Name 10 games that don't involve Mario or Link.

That is why.

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>>287955450
The game library consists of the most niche and challenging line-up for the current consoles, and the titles released for it are not yearly installments, so of course it doesn't sell well.

>>287955450

can play used games? What do you mean i own a bunch of used console games it's cheaper than buying new ones and the game disks were often only used ONCE at the most. One guy didn't use the NFS Rivals limited edition codes.

>>287955734
>the most niche and challenging line-up

TW101

one game amidst the sea of classic nintendo ip's which are the exact opposite of niche

>>287955708
Name 5 games for PS4.

Hard mode: no Bloodborne

>>287955708
>Name 10 games that don't involve the most popular characters Nintendo has.
>Because popularity = no sales rite

Or how about
>PS4/Xbone
>Name 1 game

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I can buy a Laptop for $200 that has better specs than the Wii U.

People finally realized Nintendo's Jewishness with their hardware. If anything, they deserve to be in last place.

>best gaming ethic
>amiibos
Fuck off shill

>>287955847
At this point having one niche game makes it still in first place for most.

>>287955976
>At this point having one niche game makes it still in first place for most.
>For most

Apparently not.

>No DRM
>Games are tied to console
>Can't copy storage devices
>Can't use storage devices on other consoles
>changing a drive enclosure forces the deletion of all data
>Nintendo can revoke an eShop liscense at any time
>Can't copy of back up save files

Stop saying this piece of shit doesn't have DRM. It's more invasive than Xbone considering it also has a manditory camera.

>>287956051
>Xbone considering it also has a manditory camera.

I don't think you know what you are talking about. Also I don't think you know how to spell.

> no games
> overpriced
> shit hardware
> shit online
> shit controller
> content locked behind amiibo garbage
> region lock

That went wrong.

>>287955853
Infamous 3
The Order
Driveclub
Killzone
Little Big Planet
Every multiplat to come out since it's release
Motherfucking Bloodborne

>>287955450
no multiplats, shitty hardware, and seen as the baby/kid console.

Where I live a PS4 is $80 more than a Wii U and an Xbone is $40 more. Why wouldn't you spend $40-80 more for a system that will still be supported in a year?

They should just go third party and get it over with.

>>287955450
>Best exclusive games
Nigger what? Nintendo exclusives are 90% platformers and puzzle games. They have literally two (2) action games and nothing in the shooter/sports/driving/RPG/fighting game genres, let alone anything else.

>Best gaming ethic
No support for 3rd party, no variety of titles, terrible online infrastructure, and no interest in creating titles for a larger audience is good gaming ethics now? Also Amiibos?

If you buy a WiiU, its because you're in it strictly for the Nintendo First Party IPs because you will get nothing else worth a damn from it. Of course, that's how its always been for Nintendo home consoles so nothing new there; but diehard Nintendo-only gamers are a very small demographic in the current market.

Where are the fighting games?

>>287955450
>What went wrong?

- Lackluster hardware
- Ultra gimmickan as fuck shit battery life giant tablet controller
- Confusing as fuck name and marketing
- Terrible online platform
- Game ownership tied to the fucking console itself

The first 3 (especially the first) contributed to the complete abandonment of the Wii U as a target for big multiplats -- especially with no good online service to support them. Whether for better or for worse probably hella WORSE, vidya has changed, and Nintendo fuckin missed that boat completely.

My WiiU is just that *other* console I have which collects dust between exclusives. At this point it might as well be a Nintendo-Game-Only console that will only play 1st party games produced by Nintendo

>>287955450
>Best exclusive games
subjective
>Best gaming ethic
no game account system
>only 7 million sold half of less than half of what the ps4 has in double the time
not very well marketed, under powered - for the majority of gamers who play on consoles only, and no 3rd party

>>287956325
Why would you live in a 3rd world shithole?

>>287955450

>have a ps4 and xbox one at the house
>roomates all want to play the Wii U because its the only one that has co-op games

its so fucking fun

>>287956581
I live the free-est country in the world

>>287956581

Exactly. Thats how I feel about buying a Wii U compared to a ps4.

>shovelware toddler games
>games

>>287956241

now name me 5 ps4 games that have nothing to do with cars and cinematic experiences

>>287955450
Because all these games that I want to play are coming out to PS4, Xbox One and PC; not WiiU.

I like Nintendo, I have a 3DS after all; but sometimes I want to play something other than Zelda or Mario, y'know?

>>287956241
Now name one good game.

>>287955450
that one only has 8GB of storage space that's why it's still ignored Anon.

>>287956734
Name me 5 Wii U games that don't have the generic kiddy colour pallet nintendo always uses.

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>>287956640
>tfw I bought my friend an Xbone + Destiny a while back
>tfw we recently hung out and he brought his xbone over so we could "LAN" them
>tfw like $850+ just to have a pseudo-couch-op session
m-m-m-odeen g-gaming!

>>287956734
How about you name me 5 games that aren't platformers or party games

>>287956469
Splatoon.
Mario Kart.
Wii sports.
Xenoblade.

Stop being a dumb slut anon.

>>287955896

>People finally realized Nintendo's Jewishness with their hardware. If anything, they deserve to be in last place.

fucking this

if Nintendo is only going to make gamecube v2 then they deserve to be where they are now

but that begs the question: what can Nintendo do at this point? It's obvious that consoles in general are going the way of the dinosaur, and Nintendo apparently knows nothing else. What can Nintendo do, in 2015, to make an interesting console that isn't a laughably backwards pile of shit that only plays Zelda and Mario?

>>287956241
Perhaps I should have added the qualifications of "not utter shit" and "PS4 exclusive" to the request. Regardless, you win under the original conditions. Congratulations, have fun with your quality library.

>>287955450
>>Best exclusive games
Not anymore

>>287956845
pikmin 3
baoynetta 2
mario kart
xenogears
The Wonderful 101

That was easy

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>>287956945

>gets btfo
>being this butthurt over it

inb4 sonyshill the PS4 sucks but you got your list of games for it

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>>287956241
>shitfamous
>The Aurderve
>DiveClub
>LittleShitPlanet
>BloodStillBorn

>>287957104
>throw aliens at fruit for 4 hours: the game
>ok
>party game (not allowed)
>ok
>ok

Looks like youre 2 games short buddy.

>>287957104

pikmin is a platformer, and mario kart is a party game

you're down to just w101, xenogears and bayo2

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>>287956908
>What can Nintendo do, in 2015, to make an interesting console that isn't a laughably backwards pile of shit that only plays Zelda and Mario?

Just don't make an interesting console.

Nintendo should stay away from hardware and just release games for PC and smart phones.

>>287955450
Best exclusives eh? Name one game from any of the following genres that is out today only on Wii U: RPG, sports, strategy, shooter (first or third person), simulation, stealth, walking simulator, or tactical RPG.

Just ONE game from ANY of those. Alternately name 2 games from any of these publishers that are best played on Wii U: Activision, EA, Ubisoft, Take 2, 2K, Techland, Deep Silver, CDProjekt Red, Warner Bros. or Sega.

Starting to get it yet, slim?

>>287957159
That's what I said. He won under the original conditions and I can't argue with that.

>>287957197
>Mario Kart is a party game
>Pikmin is a platformer

Sonyggers aren't even trying anymore.
I guess that's to be expected when the only good game they have runs at 12FPS and has 3 minute loading times.

>>287957197
>>287957243

The fuck, Kart is not a fucking party game. If mario kart is a party game, then EVERY SINGLE RACING GAME ON THE PLANET is a party game.

Kart is legit the pinnical of racing,

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>>287955603
Poorfags ruined video games

Mario Kart 8 runs at 60fps 720p.

Show me a single Ps4 or Xboner game that can handle that.

>>287955603
Why would you play the gimped versions of 3rd party games? I play those games at 1440p 144hz. I would never play a 3rd party game on a fucking console, are you retarded?

>>287957434
Not a sony pony, but MGR:R has 720p 60fps and Dragon's Crown has 1080p 60fps.

>>287957346

Mario Kart is easily a party game. It's driving mechanics are easymode and you play it with other people splitscreen. It is the quintessential party game aside from Mario Party itself.

>Kart is legit the pinnical of racing,

it's not nearly as good as an actual racing sim

>>287957346
>>287957345
>nintenbabbies have only played shitty rehashes from their childhood and call everything else shit

Man if nintendo lost their nostalgia manchild audience like you two, they'd be absolutely fucked. No wonder the wii u is flopping so hard, the autistic nostalgic manchild audience is rapidly shrinking. I guess we can thank nintendo for flooding the market with LE HYRULE TATTOOS, IM A 90S KID I REMEMBER POKEMON!!!, and casuals who don't even play games.

>>287955450
Marketing and third party support aka pleb shit

>>287957534

>dragons crown

Ok you have to be trolling, its a fucking SNES game.

>>287955450
If you don't like Nintendo games you're not going to buy a Wii U. That's all it has

>>287957434
mgs5 can do 60fps 1080p

>>287957627
I mean, you asked for a game. It being a game meets that criteria.

If you wanted to be upset about something, you COULD have pointed out that those were last gen and current gen isn't backwards compatible.

>>287957585

>and casuals who don't even play games.

correction: casuals who don't play games aside from Nintendo games

a Nintendofag doesn't play anything but Nintendo so obviously they would think it's amazing. All console kids suffer from this but sonyfags/"microsoft fags" (using quotes because I don't think there exists anyone that would defend the xbone) get new mulitplats so they get some exposure outside of their bubble

Regin lock when Nintendo is notorious for not importing games even if they're already translated. Ive also never played a game that utilized the gamepad properly and their pro controller destroys it. The increasingly casualization of their series like Mari kart having less defensive measures than 64. The console would of sold even less if it wasn't for platnium.

>>287955450
>best gaming ethic
>region locked
>disc-locked content galore
>games tied to system, not account

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>>287957104
mario kart is definitely a party game, so let me help this anon out with WWHD, Hyrule Warriors, shantae, and captain toad (it's a stealth game, not really a platformer) looking at my pile.

>>287957539
Not the same anon but I agree with him
>thinking Mario Kart is legit racing game
>a game where you get screwed non stop by items and punished for being in 1st place is legit racing.
Oh and taking off items doesn't help much either.

>>287955450
>What went wrong?
region lock
disc lock
graphics from 2005

>>287957534
And neither are on the PS4/Xbone.

:^)

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>>287955450
>shit selling more than fine wine

It just goes to show you that intelligent people are in the minority. Just look at the disaster the PS4 turned out to be.

>>287957529

10 years ago, third party support is what gave the PS2 it's dominance. Same can be said for the golden age of NES/SNES and the Genesis. They were good because backing their AAA lineup was a huge catalog of third party titles.

>>287955450
>Has x,y,z still ignored
yeah, no.

>>287957434
Fuckin Cod was 720p 60fps

>>287957585
Nintendo has no connection with their past anymore. Most games are watered down versions like paper Mario, smash or Mario kart. Donkey Kong was the only game that felt like a game from the past

>>287958013

why do Nintendofags still think that anyone that criticizes their console is a sonyfag? The PS4 is fucking shit but that's no excuse for Nintendo to release an equally shit console

xbone is shit too before anyone accuses me of being a microsoft marketer

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>>287955450

It's also getting replaced like 3 years after it released.

Shorter lifespan than the fucking dreamcast. Less sales, too, and less games.

>>287958232

i think you mean 2 years

>>287958186
It's not equally shit though.

It's slightly better shit, since it actually has more than a single game.

>>287958154

I read an article on this, forgot what it was (it was written around 2010) but it was about how Nintendo's old staff was retiring and all the challenges they were having training new people. Not just managers, but also the actual designers, asset makers, etc. And how they were all being replaced by soulless people doing it for the money without any imagination.

>>287958154
>people still saying Smash 4 is watered down
Its an upgrade from Brawl in everyway gameplay wise

>people still think Melee was the best
Meteor Cancel

>>287956853
Not him but for the other consoles you can list 5 different titles in each genre he listed where as WiiU has at most 1 or 2 of each

Also
>Mario Kart
When someone says driving games they mean an arcade-sim type racing game not kart racers

>>287958232

the Dreamcast was at least somewhat innovative with it's modem. The WiiU has a touch screen that is obviously modelled after the Ipad

>>287957285

Strategy: Pikmin 3
Shooter - FPS: ZombiU
Shooter - 3rd person: Splatoon
Stealth: Deus Ex Directors Cut (can't remember if an exclusive, but it's the best version of the game for sure)

>>287958232

and yet the Dreamcast is remember quite fondly

the dreamcast didn't deserve it and neither does the WiiU
people just don't know whats good

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>>287958261


Wow look at all these games for Wii U in 2015!

>>287956241
>The Order
>implying the order is a game and not a Cinematic Experience (TM)

muh artistic visinz

>>287958261
Bloodborne has more depth and content than 10 wii u games combined. Combined with having a lifespan beyond 2015 and costing just a little more while it plays games from everything, a ps4 is clearly the superior choice.

>>287955450
Honestly I'm surprised the console is selling at all. If you're over the age of 7 I don't see the appeal to 90% of their franchises aside from Fire Emblem.

I guess they've sold 7 million on nostalgia alone; if Nintendo were smart they would've switched some of their 3DS titles over to be developed on WiiU. I can't imagine how much they would have sold if Pokemon was on WiiU instead.

>>287958475

don't compare the WiiU to a good console like the Dreamcast

the DC at least has some memorable games and had good graphics at the time, only slightly worse than the PS2

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>>287958427
>Pikmin
>Strategy

>>287958487

Delete this

>>287958427

ZombiU is a TPS

also Deus Ex HR: Director's Cut is available on the PS3, 360, PS4, Xbone and PC. The PC version is obviously the best. It's also an FPS.

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>>287958487

>>287958427

Could have also had Captain Toad for stealth too I guess

>>287955450
>no DRM
>niggers will still use this fucking image

>>287958491
Sure, but only if you define "depth and content" as loading time.

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>>287958232
>>287958259
>Wii U release November 2012
>NX to be officially unveiled 2016, almost certainly at E3
>Assuming the same trends as Nintendo's last four consoles, will be released November of the year following its announcement, November 2017

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Explain this

>>287958487
oh my god

>>287958475

Are you kidding? The Dreamcast was a huge pile of shit that had a big launch success just because of smart marketing. When people realized that they bought a crappy console, its sales dropped off a cliff and never recovered till it was price dropped to $49.99. It just goes to show you that people will fall for marketing most times.

>>287955450
>Release a console in 2012
>Has none of the franchises that most gamers play or care about
>GUYS WE'RE NOT SELLING ANY CONSOLES
A woman cannot survive on Zelda and Mario alone.

Nintendo never does anything with story telling.

They haven't backed a game with a real story in years.

People like subtle stories in their games. Enough to squeeze blood out of the rock that is LoZ with some bullshit timeline.

People do actually like games with some substance to them.

Mario games are equivalent to tablet/smartphone games to a lot of people now. It's the kind of shallow experience you can enjoy in bursts but it doesn't stick with you.

>>287958487
Oh right, I forgot that already released games don't count.

The only ones that matter are the ones that you can shill for on /v/ without actually playing yet!

>>287958382

The Wii U is definitely a failure compared to Nintendo's previous console bouts, but I don't think the problem is with the system itself. I think it has more to do with the market in general.

Most of the Wii U exclusives themselves have been well received by most critics and have sold fairly well, enough to at times boost the sales of console units. But this generation as a whole I think has been downright awful for home consoles.

>a famine of this gen console exclusives for the PS4 and X-Box One
>exponential decrease in home consoles sales in the Japanese market, which at least for Sony and Nintendo is probably the most important market.
>Sony barely breaking even with the PS4
>gamers generally, especially in Japan, making the move to mobile phones and handheld consoles over home consoles

The Wii U suffers from things all its own, but a lot of the bullet holes come from guns that are shooting up the whole industry

>>287958774
I guess your useless trolling attempts are a good effort, but they don't disprove what I said. A bunch of 5 hour kids games with recycled content doesn't exactly make for a grand library, much to you and all the other shills on /v/ dismay.

>>287958487
http://www.nintendolife.com/wiiu/games/soon?region=usa&sort=date&order=ASC
Why are you lying on the internet?

>>287955450
Region locking is drm

>>287958549

Dreamcast was shit. As proof, the only time it got a YOY sales boost is when the price of the console was cut to $49.

>>287958870
Why do people keep saying the Wii U has Zelda?

All it has is fucking Mario.

The only thing related to Zelda on Wii U is Hyrule Warriors, which is fucking Musoushit shovelware with a coat of Zelda paint.

You might as well count the Nintendoland minigames as proper entries in their series if you're counting Hyrule Warriors as a proper Zelda.

>What went wrong?

>launch titles were just minigames and a shitty zombie game
>uninspired rehashes of games that haven't had a good installment since the N64
>tablet gimmick if stupid
>can't play 3rd party games as well as the PS4 or Xbone
>no 3rd party support
>reputation as being the console "for kids" (partly because it can't play the games that people want and because of online restrictions)
>online restrictions to ensure little Tyler doesn't get cyber bullied by a 30-year-old creep who uses words like 'crap' and 'dang'
>games literally play themselves or let you skip levels if they're too hard
>crap hardware
>ridiculously expensive (have they still not dropped the price yet?)

The only reason anyone will own a Wii U is to play Smash (which bombed), Mario (which bombed), and Zelda, and only the most diehard Nintendo fan will bother with those games. Everything that could have gone wrong with this thing went wrong. Maybe one day baby games will be trendy and Nintendo will experience a resurgence in popularity, but not this gen.

>>287958487
you forgot Captain Toad Treasure Tracker, Kirby and the Rainbow Curse, Xenoblade Chronicles X, Starfox U and Zelda U

>>287958881
This is part of the reason for me too.

I dont need a story in every game but platformers and puzzle games arent worth 60 bucks to me anymore. They do feel like mobile games to me. Zelda and Pokemon are really the only Nintendo IP I will pay full price for because they are longer than 6 hours

>>287958929
>no real release dates

>>287958929
>Dragon Quest X

BULLSHIT

>>287959016

>Smash (which bombed)
>Mario (which bombed)

are you retarded?

>>287959031
2 are already out
3 have no release date

>>287955506
>hardware
have you ever gone into a bestbuy and said to yourself "gee how wonder how much RAM its got" when you sjould be thinking "how much games it got?"

>>287959031
>shit
>shit
>great
>meh
>shit

WOW MUH EXCLUSIVEZ

>>287958779

They'll throw it out the moment it's ready. Wii u is killing profitability, and they don't like being 'the second pick' console.

Most console news won't even mention wii u these days.

>>287955450
Proprietary shit. Like selling a fucking LAN port? What the fuck?

>>287959081
>Games announce hard release dates a year in advance
It's entirely possible we won't get some games like Zelda U in time for the holiday season, but the shitposter I'm responding to doesn't even have Splatoon listed

>>287955450
>Best gaming ethic
They got rid of region lock?

>>287959128

You are retarded for even asking. Isn't it obvious.

>Best gaming ethic

>Killing their free advertisement on youchoob
>insane nintendoyouth level youtube program

ayyy

>>287958929
>http://www.nintendolife.com/wiiu/games/soon?region=usa&sort=date&order=ASC
And this is exactly why the console is dead in the water.

>>287959128
are you? last time a checked, wii u has less sales than the vita, which as no big name games like smash, mario kart, monster hunter or dragon quest. all which the wii u already has

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>>287958889

>I think it has more to do with the market in general.

True, I'm definitely of the opinion that the console market is dying out as things like Steam take over. I'm not the biggest fan of Steam (it's DRM) but with the rise of shit like TF2 and Dota it's clear where the money is, for better or for worse.

The Wii U gets shafted because of bad marketing and terrible design. The underpowered hardware probably would have been negligible if it didn't have a touchpad controller.

Meanwhile, the shitty economy for millenials means that they don't have as much disposable income for luxury items like consoles. Hence the rise of PCs especially as older PC hardware can go farther with newer games.

It's all a mess, and Nintendo gets hit the hardest because "hardcore" types moved onto PC with casuals, and kids play on their cellphones (and to a certain extend the 3DS) now. The Wii U's failure has been in the making for over a decade, long before it was even conceived.

>>287958095
10 years ago, we didnt have mobile phones as powerful as modern day consoles in our pockets

the timesss, they are a changinnnn

>>287959128
both games sold like shit and both games are regarded by Nintendo fans as being really mediocre.

>complaining about region lock
Just buy a system from the region you want games from. It's not fucking difficult

>>287959345

Vita's best selling game hit only 1.4 million, which means its true install base is less than 3 million.

>>287959459

some of us bought our Wii Us retail, are we supposed to just deal with it? If so I would have never bought a Wii U in the first place

It's pretty obvious why the wiiu died
>controller gimmick is shitty, went for the "we want the ipad audience" and failed miserably
>a majority of the 8 year olds who bought the wii grew up and got ps4s so they can play call of duty, these 8 year olds made up 90% of nintendo's demographic
>the other 9%, people who wanted wagglan shit like wiifit and justdance don't even know the difference between the wii and the wiiu, and frankly they ended up never playing the wii anyway so they don't really care
>the last 1% is 25 year old virgins who are trying to relive their childhood by playing the same shitty rehashes over and over again
As nintendo sees it their best solution is to pump out shit for 10-12 year olds like bayo and zombiu but without multiplats and billion dollar marketing budgets these won't appeal to anybody anyway so they're just a waste of production money. They should just keep pumping out rehashes until they get to their next console which will probably be popular with children again (as the cycle goes)

>>287959459
Don't even acknowledge region lock idiots.

They pretend it's a major issue, when it doesn't even effect 99.99% of consumers. Fuck, not even the ones complaining about region lock would ever actually import a game.

It's bullshit complaining for the sake of it.

>>287958889

Nintendo's been flopping around since the n64. The wii got heavy casual audience success, but no one who wanted an actual gaming experience had one.

>>287959459
YES BECAUSE ALL THE GAMES PEOPLE WANT TO PLAY COME FROM ONE REGION ONLY FUCKING NINTENDRONE LOGIC

YES I MAD, MAD BECAUSE NINTENDO HAS FUCKING RETARDED BUSINESS PRACTICES IN 2015

>>287958657

>ZombiU is a TPS

no, it's not. It's clearly an FPS

>>287959548


You'd love that wouldn't you nintenshill?

>>287959548
So fucking what? Buy another one from the other region. It's not a big deal you baby

>>287959548
>If I had actually done my own fucking research instead of impulse buying like a retard, I wouldn't be such a fucking retard!

You only have yourself to blame. Kill yourself, idiot.

>>287959487
the Vita's best selling game still sold better than Bayonetta 2

>>287959013

Zelda WW HD

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>>287959128
Smash? it sold less copies in the first WEEK, compared to brawls first DAY. Shit, the 3ds edition sold twice as much as the console edition. It fucking bombed. As for the other mario games? these "console" sellers are doing worse then games released on previous gen systems, and not as system sellers. "doing worse" isnt "doing better"

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>>287959634
>>287959630
>>287959548


Is this bait? Nintendo fanboys actually defend region locking?

>>287959630

>buy a console
>region locked
>just buy another

for $600 (the cost of two Wii Us) I could build myself another PC

What went wrong is the casualisaztion of the industry. People want cinematic experiences and assassins creed clones and nothing else.

If you don't own a Wii u you're a casual.

>>287955450
Babby console

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>>287959207
>Wii u is killing profitability
The Wii U hasn't been sold at a loss for almost a year.
>and they don't like being 'the second pick' console
That's the Xbone :^)
Nintendo has been second fiddle or worse since the Playstation, from a simple consoles shipped perspective even the Wii ended up being not too far ahead compared to its competition, certainly nothing like the level of dominance the PS2 had in its day. They're quite used to playing the long game with consoles, and they've had the handheld market on lockdown for decades, one of the reasons they're making the offensive into mobile games soon.
Despite the opinion of the industry experts and master economists on /v/, Nintendo isn't about to go full retard and pull the rug out from under their entire consumer base by dropping the Wii U prematurely. NX (if it's even their next home console) won't be out till mid-2017 at the earliest.

>>287959717
It's not a problem unless you're poor

>>287959630
>buy JP WiiU for just 5 JP only games
>have to import the rest of my games too because they wont work
>Every now costs 90 dollars instead of just the 5 region exclusives

Nah fuck you. Hell on a Sony console you can make a JP account AND US so you dont even need to import. You can digitally buy region exclusive games

>>287959730
The way Nintendo is going, if you don't own a phone, you're a casual

>>287959172

No hardware, no games.

No games, no sales.

OG NES era president of Nintendo understood this, despite videogames being super new at the time.

It was important that they could point at older machines like the 2600 and say 'ours is much stronger, and this is what the games look like.'

Wii u does wii graphics with a shitty tablet controller, and gets a new Nintendo game every 4 months at best.

>>287959730
0/10 you even spelt casualisation wrong.

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>>287959630
>just buy another entire console
>to get around that one line of code that determines if its from the correct region or not

>>287959730

everything about the Wii U, just like the Wii, is built from the ground up for casuals dumbass

Nintendo didn't escape it, in many ways they created it with the Wii. Muh cinematic garbage is just as bad as overcasualized kiddy games with no difficultly. Just look at how easy (and boring) Skyward Sword was.

>>287955708

Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze
Shantae
Sanic Lost World
Zombi U
Lego City Undercover
Captain Toad
Kirby and the Rainbow Curse
Bayonetta 2
Pikmin 3
Wonderful 101
Rayman Legends
Monster Hunter Tri
Wii Sports Club


Do I win?

>>287959651

Mind you that game that sold 1.4 million sold that way back in 2011. No game since has come even close. That means most early Vita adopters threw their Vitas away. Again, Vita's install base is less than 3 million.

>>287959791
Instead of the 3ds, vita killed the wii u

Vita has a better screen than the gamepad

Think about that

I own a wii u and the only thing that pisses me off is how 'multiplat' now means "available for all consoles but Nintendo," a trend that started in the gamecube era but is peaking now.

>>287955450
>no third party support
>hardware is a joke
>region lock

Wii U marketing was top of the line, nintenyearolds fooling themselves, trying to ignore the actual huge flaws in wii u and passing it off as bad marketing

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>>287959184
Greatness Awaits

>>287959791

The only long game Nintendo's been playing is 4 generations of consoles with little worthwhile third party support.

No, piles of shovelware games on the wii don't count.

>>287959829
>being poor
why are you even playing video games?

>>287959802
uh, it is a problem. ill just a get a pc and play all the rehashes originals via emulation. why even bother?
and obviously, you must have the money, so send me a wii u then. whats the matter, poor?

>>287959824
NES was only stronger than it's competitors because it had none.
SNES was weaker than it's competitors.
PS1 was weaker than it's competitors.
PS2 was weaker than it's competitors.
Wii was weaker than it's competitors.

Hardware has never meant shit for anything.

>>287959734
this man speaks the truth

>this fucking image

Could you be anymore of a faggot, you even have the impact font.

To your answer your question, Wii was shit no one cares about that B/C, Free Online with like 3 games that support it, and a piss poor account system. Every console can play used games. All consoles support indie devs, in fact I'd wager Sony and MS even more so. The first party line up? Its good, but as someone who is a fan of competitive play, its severely lacking multiplayer games, which are often provided by 3rd party support, which the Wii U has minimal of.

>>287959459
>It's not fucking difficult
No, but when a game doesn't get released in your region it's literally impossible.
It may not affect the vast majority of consumers, but you have to be some special kind of retard to actually defend it.

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>>287959802

is this how you're going to defend it?

$600 is a fair amount of money, imagine all the games you can buy on Steam with it. Or fuck you could even buy a PS2 and hundreds of games for it. You could get a Wii too, all the worthwhile games for it, and still have $300 leftover for a used SNES and games for that.

Why should I buy a new Nintendo product when it can't even complete with last-gen consoles?

>>287959861
>Sonic game

>captain toad is a mario spin off and a shit one too

>Wii sports
Sad

>Rayman Legends is literally on everything from 7th and 8th gen

>>287959982
see
>>287959989

>>287959862
Using the same logic, there are tens of millions of people who throw away their 3DSes.

Nintendo consoles sell less because people play them at other people's houses. Mass online multiplayer is what Nintendo had in most games, and most other consoles force you into one copy per online account multiplayer. See AAA FPS games.

>>287959253
>>287959345
>>287959396

>has sold over ten million units since its release
>the main reason for the increase in hardware sales for Nintendo during the holiday season was Smash Bros' release and the bundles.
>Gamerankings Aggregate Score: 86.10% for 3DS, 92.39% for Wii U
>Metacritic: 85/100 for 3ds, 92/100 for Wii U
>Amiibo sales

please tell me more about how Smash Bros. bombed cause /v/ threw a hissy fit over their wiggle jiggles.

>>287959691

You literally have no idea what you're talking about. How much a game sells in the first week is completely irrelevant to how much it sells overall in a season.

>the 3ds edition sold twice as much as the console edition.

Smash 4 INCREASED the number of Wii U units sold. And Newsflash: handhelds selling more than home consoles is the story of this gen. Sony and Microsoft are doing far worse than Nintendo in the home console scene. The problem that people in general aren't buying home consoles very much this generation is well known. Even the Japanese aren't buying them anymore because it's easier and cheaper to buy mobile and handheld games, especially when they have the power and capabilities of many home consoles from previous generations

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>Nintendo's going to drop their home console business because it isn't literally shitting out piles of gold like the Wii did
>Meanwhile Sony and Microsoft have lost billions propping up the Playstations and Xboxes
/v/ - Business

>>287955450
I just found out about the missable tutorial in hyrule warriors. And I missed it.
I'm 10 days in, highest level is 34, seriously considering restarting the whole game for that shitty little help thing. Please talk me out of it.

>>287959914
If the Vita is so good, why isn't it selling?
Don't sales directly equal quality?

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>>287959802
>>287959982

I'm old enough to remember when Nintendofags made a huge shit over the PS3's $600 launch pricetag in 2006. Now they're the ones bitching about muh poorfags when nobody wants to buy their console.

And the most hilarious part is that when the Wii U 2 is released and nobody buys it, Nintendofags will still bitch about muh poorfaggotry as they rebuy their Amibo collections.

>>287955450
>Best gaming ethic
>Region lock
>Worst online service or store
Go die in a fire Nintendo

>>287960260
Does this mean PS4 is the best console ever?

>>287960236
Watch a tutorial on YouTube.

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>Best selling PS4 game 6.25 million
>Best selling Wii U game 4.68 million

This is proof that PS4 owners are using their PS4s as a doorstop or has sold theirs a long time ago.

>>287960008

>SNES.
>weaker than the megadrive and turbo 16.

2/10, best I can do.

>>287960312
No, the DS is.

is NSMBU legitimitely hard? I just beat world 2 and died a whole bunch
Do I just suck or does the difficulty ramp up very quickly?

>>287960292
Don't forget Amibos

>>287960371
Its not a very good game tbh

>>287960179
>The problem that people in general aren't buying home consoles very much this generation is well known

Then why is the PS4 selling so good?

>>287960260
It's selling better than the wii u

it's quality surpasses that of the Wii u alrwady

>>287960174

Nope. 3DS has three games that sold over 10 million and each game is very different.

>>287955450
1. name it after a console that died a shovelware death
2. far weaker hardware than ps4/xb1 so less likely to get ports
3. no ports
4. dumb faux tablet gimmick

>>287955847
Star Fox is practically niche at this point. Last original game was what, 2007?

>>287960194

>Sony has a 78% chance of going bankrupt
>Nintendo still only at 22%

These threads always attract Sony ponies who are in denial that Sony is dragging its feet simply because it's everywhere and yet want to talk about what Nintendo is doing wrong.

>>287959691
I plan to buy a copy of smash when I get my paycheck. Games do not only sell for the first week.

>>287960314
it's pictures and text and not particularly helpful ones at that, but it's _forever missing_ from my save file.

>>287960589
On PS4/XB1 they do.

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>WiiU

>Bayo 3
>DKC: TF
>Pikmin 3

What am I missing?

>>287960328
Or that PS4 owners have more varied taste in games.

>PS4 owners are either weebs, dudebros, average gamers, casuals, or AAA only fags
>WiiU owners are literally all nintentoddlers

Every WiiU owner likes Mario or Zelda not every PS4 owner likes CoD or Persona

>>287960550
2 of those games are Pokemon

>>287960483
>Then why is the PS4 selling so good?

People are buying it out of hype, realizing that it is trash and then either selling it or junking it. The best selling PS4 game just sold 6 million copies.

>>287957304
I wish everyone who demands a list of something was like you when given it anon.

Sincere props.

>>287955896
>specs
Nintendo is not all about specs it's about having people over and playing Vidya. It's a console that tries to keep the feel of the older gens while giving it a fresh feel instead of becoming another wanna be pc.

>>287960635
Games

>>287960658

One is a RPG, another is a platformer and the other is a racer. Very different audiences.

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>>287960561
>>Sony has a 78% chance of going bankrupt
>>Nintendo still only at 22%

LOL, are you referring to that Macroaxis site?

Look again.

http://www.macroaxis.com/invest/ratio/NTDOY.PK--Probability_Of_Bankruptcy

http://www.macroaxis.com/invest/ratio/SNE--Probability-Of-Bankruptcy

>>287960008
>PS1 was weaker than it's competitors.
...What, nigger?

>>287955450
Idiot name.
Bad marketing.
Casuals are a fleeting market and the mobile app craze sucked them all way.
Lack of 3rd party hurts them.
Where never clear on the greater appeal of the tablet, leaving consumers confused.

>>287959207
>They'll throw it out the moment it's ready.
And it won't be ready until 2017, considering 5 years is their minimum and not just the average.

>>287960791
...yes nigger?
It had a lot more in terms of storage, but shit on rendering and processing.

>>287960483

>Then why is the PS4 selling so good?

The PS4 is doing so bad in Japan that it's only real hope is Final Fantasy XV actually being good.

Japanese home console sales are at an all time low and you'd know this if you knew anything about what goes on in the game industry outside the Sony hugbox threads on /v/

>>287960782
jesus christ, i didn't think nintendo was in that bad shape

>>287960650
>Or that PS4 owners have more varied taste in games.

No, the best selling PS4 game just barely doing over 6 million means most people who are buying PS4s are letting them collect dust or are selling them out of buyer's remorse.

>>287960663
Not him but 6 millions copies is good though.

The PS4 has more than one audience unlike the WiiU.

>>287960635
>Bayo 3
Not until NX anon, I'm sure.

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>>287956241
>The Order

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>>287960727
I was listing the only games the WiiU has, that are actually worth playing.

Nintendo seems to want to be the casual/ party system, these days. They have not many games worth owning.

>>287960483
>why is the PS4 selling so good?
It's really not, relative to other generations

>>287960754
One is Pokemon x/v
The other is Pokemon ruby/sapphire
The other is mario kart

>>287960553
>very stupid idea, everyone I've talked to about it thought it was either an addon or something that made the wii portable
>might be weaker but they work within the specs much better
>Can be bad depending on the games you play
>usually not a problem, pro controller is usable for every game I own

>>287960891
>The PS4 is doing so bad in Japan that it's only real hope is Final Fantasy XV actually being good.

So what? It still did 20 million in the rest of the world.

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>>287960713

Then why is it so bad, anon?

Old consoles were great. Why is the wii so shit if it's trying to be like old consoles?

Why, anon? I don't understand this.

I remember playing all these third party and first party games on my old consoles. I'd get every game released on them. Why doesn't the wii u get any games?

Why does the wii u use a shitty tablet controller, anon? I don't remember playing my old consoles with such an unwieldy piece of shit, that's so awful, developers don't even want to use it for their games.

>>287960070

I still named 13 so piss off.

>>287960906
Are you retarded?

It means that people dont all like the same games on PS4. Those 14 million people who didnt buy it could easily just have bought another game.

I dont know if you know this but the PS4 has multiplats too.

I have to ask, I'll be buying a WiiU when Fire Emblem X SMT comes out anyway; does playing with the gamepad controller improve the games in any way?

>>287960550
3DS has sold about 51 million. Means 40 million people threw away their 3DSes.

>>287960973

You forgot Mario Kart 7 and 3dLand.

>>287961086
> ll be buying a WiiU when Fire Emblem X SMT comes out

So you'll never be buying a WiiU I take it?

Look Nintenfriends just because the Wii U is a historic failure doesn't mean the console industry is crashing. Nintendo just colossally fucked up.

Trying to downplay the PS4's utter sales domination just makes you look bitter.

>>287961020
old consoles were great because at the time, they were NOT old. each console that came out at the time was a mix of the best components you could get, for the cheapest price. hell, older consoles did entire generation jumps, 2d to 3d, offline to online, cartridges to disks.

so to be like "old consoles" it needs to be impressive and bring something new to the table of actual use.

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>>287960953
Rika is a miracle of the universe..!

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>>287961139
Why would I include a game that didn't sell 10 million?

>>287961086
If you don't have a pro controller it'll substitute well. Otherwise it only comes in handy if you don't want to bother turning the tv on (or otherwise can't for whatever reason). Very rarely will a game use a touch mechanic that you can't negotiate via other means, the only ones I've personally come across so far being captain toad (which is amazing and worth it), nintendoland and some side missions of super mario 3d world.

>>287960891
Didn't that dragon quest warriors game hyper boost the sales?

>>287961302

Look at VGchartz.

>>287961302
Why do nintendo fans literally buy the same game over and over but then get buttblasted when other consoles have ports or remasters?

>>287956845
Bayo2
Mh3
xeno
Pikmin3
Smash (debatable)
Kirby the rainbow cruise
Zelda franchise
Zombie u

>>287956241
>The Order
>Driveclub
>Killzone
How horrible.

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>>287961378
>VGchartz

>>287961378
>VGchartz

LMAO

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Why do you people still care about consoles?
Why do you even have a console? Why?
Why would you do that to yourself and the gaming industry? It's so illogical.

>>287961302
thats from march. given that the games sells roughly 200,000 copies a month, and its been, almost 3 months, that would actually put it pretty much right on 10 million. such is yearly instead of monthly sales reports, i guess.

>>287961412
>Bayo 2
Platformer
>MH3
Party game
>Pikmin 3
Platformer
>Smash
Party AND platformer
>Kirby
Platformer

So that's just ZombiU and Zelda, which are both objectively shit. Just stop.

>>287961527
whoops, march, 2014. didnt think about that too clearly, so that actually means its more like 11 million copies by now.

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>>287961378
What's the point when my numbers are straight from Nintendos website

>>287961056
>Those 14 million people who didnt buy it could easily just have bought another game.

No. The games that sold over a million (except FIFA) are all in similar genres, meaning its the same people who are buying those games. If people weren't selling their PS4s or letting them collect dust, COD, B4, WD sales would all exceed 10 million on PS4.

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>>287961538
>>Bayo 2
>Platformer
There are plenty of ways to shitpost about the Wii U without going full retard, try to apply yourself in the future

>>287961395
Really?
Because I've seen it as the other way around.
Other consoles get their yearly shooters and sports games, but shit on Nintendo for having their games released generationally. Pokemon's catching up though. But I personally don't care about Pokemon anymore.

>>287961620
>As of March 31, 2014

>>287961620
>march 2014

That was last year.

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>>287961538
>>Bayo 2
>Platformer
>>MH3
>Party game
>>Pikmin 3
>Platformer
Effort.

>>287961620
>As of almost an entire fucking year ago.

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>N64 was unsuccessful
>CGN was unsuccessful

Nintendo was aware of this, thus they decided to try something new with their next console the Wii.

>Wii is successful, if only with the casual audience.

Nintendo then decided that they should continue to cater to casuals. Casual gamers love tablets, so many different brands of tablets, but none with great games, our new fans will eat this up!

>WiiU flops hard
>Nintendo produces a minimum new games for the failed system over 2-3 years.

>Nintendo cuts its losses, and announces the new console the "NX"

Nintendo is already dead.
RIP
Great job Nintendo, you're killing all of your fans.

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>>287961538
Nigger, you embarrass yourself.

>>287955450
Lack of 3rd party support. Lack of Multiplats. Shitty online store. And while some people love them, the amiibo introduction pushed me even further away. I also don't care about the gamepad, and would rather use a pro controller. Lack of GC ports/GC game support is irritating, as well.

You don't have to like, or even agree with my opinions on the system, but that's why I avoid it like the plague.

>>287961816
Nintendo is always working on their new console.
This wasn't news. They just told us the name of the project.

>>287961538
>bayo 2
in what fucking world is this a platformer. This is a hack n' slash.

>MH3
PARTY GAME? When do you ever have a bunch of friends over, pop in the disc and controllers and sesh some MH? Never. It's not easy for new players to just jump in and take part.

>Smash
Party game. Platformer? What the fuck are you on?

>Kirby
I haven't played the new one so I can't comment but based on previous games probably a platformer. This is the only one you had correct.

>>287961628
>everyone must buy every single game ever
>you cant play a game more than once
CoD, FIFA, and BF4 also have multiplayer that keeps people playing so that they dont need to buy every new release. These people easily just be buying 3 or 4 games and STILL be playing them

>>287961538
>bayo 2
>pikmin
>platformer
???

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>>287961905
>Announcing a new console while your current console has no games and is struggling.
For what purpose?

Nintendo is trying to wipe the slate clean, but it's too late.

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>>287957243
>Pikmin3 is a platformer
can't jump in the game
yes Mario kart is borderline party game. if we are included games that are coming out soon we have xenoblade, new zelda, & new starfox, for exclusives Nintendo has a decent line up for the win u

>>287961005

1.) Losing the Japanese market can be an absolute death sentence for a console. The main reason the Dreamcast bombed had to do with the fact that it couldn't maintain dominance in the Japanese market because PS2 came along and was the most affordable DVD player in Japan at the time, which put the nail in the coffin for the Dreamcast. Same thing goes for the Sega Saturn. The Saturn did terribly outside Japan, but it did well enough in Japan that Sega was able to make another console.

2. Production costs. For the costs of PS4's hardware, Sony has to sell at least 4-5 million units before it can turn a profit whenever it produces a new batch of units. I'm not saying Sony isn't making any profit off the PS4, but if you think this generation is a successful one for any of the next gen consoles, you are acting like a delusional Sony shill who is just desperate for some excuse to say that you've "won."

Whether Nintendo sells less units is ultimately irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Just because more people have a PS4 than a Wii U doesn't mean that Sony is necessarily making more money in the long run. Heck, at least up until 2 months ago, and probably still now, the Wii U was outselling the PS4 in Japan in spite of the major drop in home console units being bought in the country.

>>287961435
>any source
>compared to your source, none

uuuuuh i think i know who im gonna go with here

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>>287962037
>For what purpose?
They "announced" NX at about the same relative time they "announced" Dolphin and Revolution
As Itawa clearly stated, he "revealed" it now to assure jumpy retards like you that Nintendo had no intention of abandoning their hardware line.

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>>287962089
>Japanese market
Japanese audience isn't the majority anymore. Have you been dead for the last 15 years?
Japan is irrelevant.
>Cost
PS4 is not being sold at a loss.

>>287962037
Literally to keep people informed that they're still working on gamecentric platforms so they wouldn't be confused into thinking that they where going full mobile.

They said this outright during the interview.

>Q. Why did you announce NX here today?

>Our Next Generation platform is not directly related to this event. I just wanted to communicate that we will still be passionately focused on dedicated gaming platforms in the future. Immersive and well developed game, the kind that video game lovers love, will continue to be made as our Core Business. Without that explanation, we wanted to make sure pessimists didn't get the wrong idea.

And again, this isn't new. They announced the "Ultra", "Dolphin", "Revolution" around the same point in the prior console lifecycles too.

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>>287958929

>>287962089
>For the costs of PS4's hardware, Sony has to sell at least 4-5 million units before it can turn a profit whenever it produces a new batch of units.
Literally made up

>>287957539
>party game
>literally has less local playing options then any other mario kart game

i guess when you mean party game, you mean, a couple players sit out and dont party, amirite?

>>287962037

The NX is probably not going to be released until 2017 and we don't know anything about the NX yet, but knowing Nintendo, it'll at least have backwards compatibility with the Wii U.

I know you might not realize it, but the Wii U by industry standards isn't a "new console" By the time the NX comes out, it'll have been five years old. That's about the same lifespan as the gamecube.

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>>287955450

>>287961130

You are doing it wrong. Look at the genres which have no overlap. A racer is different from a platformer which is different from a RPG. So its

Pokemon 12 milllion
Mario Kart 7 10 million
3D land 10 million
Animal Crossing 7 million
Smash 5.7 million
OOT remake 3 million
Nintendogs + cats 3million

12 + 10 + 10 + 7 + 5.7 + 3 + 3 = about 57 million. Considering the crossbuying 51 million 3DSes sold makes sense.

Vita on the other hand shows that the install base of the Vita is nowhere near 10 million.

>>287962431
By party game, he means split screen multiplayer.

>>287960483
Atm the only one that could be considered to be doing decent would be 3ds if I recall

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>>287962562

>>287962612

The PS4 is doing very well and only tracking slightly behind the Wii.

Why doesn't /v/ have xbox fans?

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>>287962235
>>287962349
>>287962451
Yea, k.
Don't give a fuck that Nintendo is gone mobile with old titles. Emulation has been a thing forever now.

How about some games for the WiiU?
I bought this thing, but Nintendo is treating it like a red-headed step child.

>Nintendo announces NX after WiiU flop
I don't need to know that I can eventually buy another console without games
for $400+

Do they think that fans are spawned from nothing?

>>287962706
So how much money does Sony lose per PS4 versus how much Nintendo made per Wii?

>>287961919

You dont get it..... look at the genres. Many people who buy COD will also but BF4 and vice versa. The fact that the big selling games on PS4 are all similar and the best selling in only 6 million means there are alot of dissatisfied customers.

>>287962747
>So how much money does Sony lose per PS4

PS4 is profitable.

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>>287955450

>>287958491
>Never played a game
> LE PINNACL OF VIDYA GUISE THE DEVELOOPR IS GUD
Holy shit you sound like such a fucking faggot.

>>287962586
oh, shit, whoops

no, wait, thats literally what i was talking about. the new mario kart has limited local gameplay options/modes compared to its predecessors.

why does /v/ consider a system with 90% kids games to be of value? Nobody at IGN is going to rate bloodborne with the same scaling as some Mario kids game reboot.

>>287958780
Sometimes Mario party does smaller gimmick maps, everyone hates them and wishes they weren't there.

the Wii U is shit and anyone who defends it is a brainless brandwhore drone

t. proud 3DS owner

>>287955630

>implying there are japanese games on PS4 and XBONE

>>287960650
As much as I love me some persona I would just get a ps3 for 5 the only worth while game I saw was bloodborne I do have some bias for wii u since I really enjoyed most of the games for it and being able to play old classics sealed the deal for me also not needing a TV to play is pretty nice

>>287956137

This. Nintendo's incompetent ignorant shit over online play KILLED them. Video games are online now. Anything else is a fucking baby toy now.

>>287955696
Oh heaven forbid you don't get the amiibo Mario kart skin! Whatever will we do?

>>287962785
All consoles are sold at a loss you dense faggot, they sell software to make profit.

>>287963075
Yakuza 0
Yakuza Isshen

>>287963075

FF type 0

>>287962721
>Nintendo is gone mobile with old titles
They are not. This is a capital alliance based in new game development and creating a larger and more versatile online platform.
>How about some games for the WiiU?
At the rat of production, I might be so bold to say that this is the fastest Nintendo games have been released on a system. I couldvery well be wrong on that though, but it feels like there's a new one every 3-4 weeks. Quality varying obviously.
>I don't need to know that I can eventually buy another console without games
for $400+
But the genral audience did. That's why they announced it.

If you're going to talk like you're well versed in a topic, you should at least learn about what you're talking about.

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>>287962785
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/09/20/sony-to-take-a-loss-on-playstation-4-sales/
PS4 was sold at loss of $60 per unit at launch
While this is much better than the $300+ per unit the PS3 had, and Sony's Playstation division is profitable as a whole, I haven't found any more recent information about cost per console.

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>>287963182
>100% rage
>0% proofs

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>Nintendo

>Mario
>Mario Kart
>Mario Fightan
>Mario Multiplayer

>Zelda
>Zelda II
>Zelda III
>Zelda Fightan

>Rinse and repeat with all franchises
>Each progressively worse, though fanboys disagree.

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>>287962826

There is a fucking similar Wii U thread EVERY SINGLE TIME I come to /v/. Stop this shit already. Everyone knows what went wrong already. Christ.

>>287962628
>Wii U is the best girl

Im ok with that

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>>287963259
>2013
>launh

this is 2015

>>287963259
PS+ is pretty much required with the console, so that's $60 right there. :^)

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>>287963245
Suck my cock, dude.
You talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded.

>>287963330
Well played Sony.

>>287962756
I get what you're saying but it isnt valid reasoning. The best selling game doesnt mean anything, it just shows that the game with the most mass appeal on PS4 still doesnt cover everyone's tastes not that people hate PS4.

I dont doubt that some people are unhappy with the system, but the demographic could easily be 6 million COD and BF4 players, 2 million weebs, 5 million AAA players, and 5 million sports game only players.

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>>287963289
>nintendogaf in charge of sales predictions

>>287963380
>Suck my cock, dude.
Present it.

>>287963289
>You will never save 2 year old posts to win an argument on an anonymous image board

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>>287963327
PS4 launched mid-November 2013, at a loss of $60 per unit
I am asking the anon I responded to if he has any more recent data regarding the topic, since around a year has passed since then

>>287963469
epic

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>>287963415

>>287963485
Maybe, if you're not a true /v/irgin.

>>287963172
Any who any interest in Persona more than likely already has a PS3 because they are weebs.

Some people may played everything the PS3 has to offer them and want the PS4 for its exclusivd Jap titles.

>>287963507
This one is so good

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Oh, to live in a more innocent time