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So I just finished pic related and I really enjoyed it. So let's

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So I just finished pic related and I really enjoyed it. So let's have a discussion about it.

Dat normal ending though:
So basically ludger will go down the same path as victor which will make the time loop for all of eternity, right?
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>>260336719
Pretty much. You could have stopped it by choosing to save Elle
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>>260337287
I guess. Shame there isn't any real ending in which both of them survived(not counting cameo/spa ending)
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Is Ludger the Dante(gameplay wise) of the Tales Series?
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>>260338631
>weapon switching.
>Devil Trigger
>white hair.
Yes
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Isn't there an ending where you become the CEO yourself?
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>>260339393
That's the normal end.
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So...

I just recovered Mila from the fractured dimension, why is she such a bitch and when does the REAL Mila show up?
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>>260339705
Why would you want to replace best milla?
;_;
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Just got Real Millia, how many main chapters do I have left?
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>>260339850

I wanted to smack her upside the head the way she was talking to Elle in that one scene afterwards, fuck that bitch.
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>>260336719
>time loop

Oh god damn it. I hate this type of plot point every time it comes up. Has it EVER been done well?
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>>260340057
You just finished Ch11 right?
Five more to go.
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Best party member.
Other faggots need not apply
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>>260340738

Rollo is life
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>>260340738
>Only party member to get actual literal pussy

Fuck yeah, dis nigga be ballin'
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>>260340146
Is evil red guy at the end of Ch 11 related to me somehow? He had Devil Trigger too...Is he 'Bad Future' me or something?
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>>260340738

>tfw I had a fat cat like rollo years ago
>had
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>>260339850
Because tsun-tsun is a shitty character archetype and she's a rude bitch. Good riddance.
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>>260341183
Rideaux?
No, he's just using NANOMACHINES or something to have an artificial Chromatus.
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>>260336719
So did they ever explain why milla and muzet suddenly decided to leave in the true ending?
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>>260341421
Milla.M literally tells you she's existing on borrowed time with her artificial body right after you get her. It's assumed it's the same with Muzet.
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>>260340738
Rollo is cool but he'll never be the series' top dog.
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Do we get to fight a parallel Maxwell and Gaius? The game already has rematches with most of the bosses from first game.
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>>260341607
Yeah but it's a bit weird that they would leave in the last convo instead of leaving afterwards
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>>260341904
I think you fight Maxwell in Milla's last character event.
I think you can fight Gaius in the Arena.
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>>260341183
Bisley and Rideaux are both Kresniks, yes. Anyone who inherits a Chromatus is a Kresnik in some way.
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>>260341936
Fuck you, dirty human, they're spirits, they can do whatever the fuck they want.
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>>260342090
In the Arena? So I can fight Gaius with Gaius?


GAIUSCEPTION
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>>260342176
Clam down Muzet.
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>>260342393
I think the human characters you fight in the arena is randomized.
You also fight dark versions of your party members in the EX Dungeon.
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>>260341936
Because it's easier that way, Milla & Muzet didn't want to leave but had to cause muh duty
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>>260342643
I never really got why they can't just pop down for a quick tether every now and then.
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>Nova calling you about your denbts
>"please don't hate me Ludger!"

She's too qt, I can't get mad at her.
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I still don't like how Gaius and Muzet pretty much got away scott free from the bullshit they did in the first game.
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>>260342786
Muzet can because of her space and time travel ability, but Milla has to burn mana every time for a physical body and she doesn't want to take any from the world while they're trying to fix it.

I'm sure after Jude learns how to make Spyrites she'll come down whenever he wants her to.
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>>260342817
>get 100k
>TIME TO PAY UP
>ok wait I'll pay up pls, just let me grind a while more
>LOL NO CANT SWITCH OFF YOUR PHONE TILL YOU PAY UP

Fuck that jew. Nova a shit.
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>>260343123
Muzet totally makes a joke about her committing genocide at one point and everyone just sort shrugs it off. It's complete bullshit.
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>>260342817
She really had no purpose whatsoever other than being annoying
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>>260343123
Gaius gets off free, but during her story it shows that the party is still scared of Muzet and still thinks she's insane. It also shows that Muzet feels like shit for what she did and is trying to change.
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>Ludger never gets the Milla
>Leia never gets Jude
>Jude never gets the Milla
>Rowen never gets his princess

Jeez fuck, asides from the fucking cat, did anyone score some pussy?
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>>260343983
Gaius. Probably has a harem back in hid castle.
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>>260343983
Just imagine elize slutting it up in school
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>>260343983
implying Elize didn't fuck all the boys at her school
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>>260344280
>Gaius
> not crying bitch tears to sleep over his dead friends and his lost spirit waifu
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>>260345180
I loved his story chapters. Made him seem like he actually had emotions instead of the usual cold machine
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>>260339705
You'll get attached. When the real one shows, it'll hurt.
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>>260345391
>Character-specific chapters sheds more light on a character's character

Who woulda thunk
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>>260345525
Nah fuck her. She was a smug rude bitch through and through. So glad they offed her and replaced her literally seconds later.
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>>260342176
Chronos. Pls.
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>>260345734
Fuck you, I almost cried.
"I knew I wouldn't like you."
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>>260345836
fuk u faget
say dat to my face fuker not online and see wat happens
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>>260345987
Did the Thor chapter get you as well?
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>>260345987
I knew I definitely didn't like that faker, that's for sure.
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>>260346174
Chronos, Dhaos called. He wants his moves back
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>>260346479
>Dhaos

pls
Didn't that loser lose to a little girl? He can go suck a dick.
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>>260346806
You wouldn't have a job were it not be for Dhaos though.

Oh and EVERYONE loses to Rita. You would too.
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Why do I have to backtrack the same maps from Xillia 1 2x-3x?

Why is the main quest behind a money wall?
Why do jobs need an item that has a random chance from dropping in the cat fetch quest which takes real time to complete?
Why the fuck is the mc mute and only has autistic facial expressions in the first playthrough?


Worst fucking Tales game I played in a long time and I started with Phantasia.
Fuck this shitty game. What a fucking disappointment.
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>>260347123
Dhaos pls
You don't have to talk shit about others just cos you lost to a little girl.
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>>260344341
Doujins when?
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>>260347482
All right then, Let's see YOU fight her.

BBL, becoming Sekundes.
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>>260348019
Done and done.

What now, nerd?
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AlvinXLeia will never be canon
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>>260346291
Thor chapter?
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>>260348395
remember that time Alvin shot Leia right in the fucking chest and almost killed her

Yeah what a cute couple.
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>>260348306
...I didn't know you were into bondage, Chronos...
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>>260348468
Where you go in the ruins of Thor and listen to the last recordings of the people there
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>>260348554
>not shooting your bitches to keep them in their place
what are you? a fag?
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>>260348395
No one ever gets any poon in Xillia unless you're a fat cat or you start an endless recursion of time.
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>>260348724
Honestly, it was a shitty attempt to make the party and by extension, the player feel guilt for destroying the fractured worlds especially since you've already done that few times. The fact that he was gonna digitize your ass regardless meant I couldn't even feel sorry for that asshole and his shitty world.
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>>260348554
That whole 20 minute cutscene was pretty End of EVA-ish. Jude was Shinji, Leia was Misato, Muzet was SEELE and Alvin was JSSDF.
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>>260348586
Well, someone had to educate Maxwell every once in awhile.
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>>260349678
You forgot to do her legs.
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How badly does the silent protag hurt the tales dialogue and the usually pretty good characterization?

I watched some cutscenes on youtube and it looked awkward as fuck with people speaking for him and he just grunting.
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>>260348724
Oh. No, not really. Pretty much just the Milla scene and Julius bit got me.

To be fair, I was pretty fucking drunk during both of those, so that may have had an effect.
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>>260349969
>Not shedding a tear when victor started humming to elle
You monster
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>>260349919
It's honestly awkward as fuck. Ludger's not a particularly good character because the whole "silent protagonist" shtick hurts him most when he's pretty much the only silent dude in a sea of very expressive characters. And since for the most part, the choices don't actually matter, you get stuck with a character who follows the usual good guy archetype.
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>>260349874
Don't tell me what to do you filthy subhuman scum.
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>>260350460
Human? I'm Lambda. Anything but human.
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>>260350734
>stuck with Asbel 24/7

Truly worst despair.
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>>260351345
He has the Fodra Queen to keep him company
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>>260351345
Not really, Fodra is my bitch so I have that to enjoy...plus, I'm a final boss who lived and as the main character now, once I take complete control of him, I'll have his plot armor as well.
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>>260350297
Why did they do this? Anyway, this game is now a "buy only when dirt cheap" for me because of this bullshit.
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MUTTON, FRESH MUTTON.
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>>260336719
How is it a loop? Victor's entire goal was to be in the prime dimension, which Ludger already has covered. It's an ideal ending because it means you get Elle back without the drama and she gets a decent father.
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>>260349678
...any other bondage?
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>>260350297
He's more expressive than I thought he was going to be, but it definitely causes problems. They managed to make his relationship with Julius work despite his general silence, so that part of the game was still affecting, but with Elle they clearly expected the player to project some white knight/daughteru business onto her with minimal input from the main character.
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>>260353785
His goal was to be with elle as he was turning into a catalyst meaning his time would be limited. So he devised a plan to reincarnate and thus get more time with her. And wasn't the thing about the prime dimension that every dimension was a prime one and that there wasn't a fractured one?
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OP, no. Victor just wanted Elle to be born in the prime dimension. Ludger solves that problem simply by existing in the prime dimension.

I thought he normal ending was a bit creepy and manipulative. It was better than the "True" ending by far, which is a cop-out story-wise to pander to the most retarded aspect of Japanese culture, but the normal ending?

Ludger sees a woman he's never met, only heard of, and starts crying because he knows she's going to give birth to Elle. He's using this woman so he can have the daughter he wants and clearly knows nothing about her or her personality.

Which is actually fitting, considering if you read the Kresnik Clan info from the Japanese guidebook, that's exactly what Bisley, Ludger's father, did with Ludger's mother, who was the previous Key.
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>>260354874
No.

The multiverse is described as one large floating bubble with small bubbles floating around it. The one large bubble is the prime dimension. Bisley is not lying, there is only one prime dimension.
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>>260354874
Wasn't it that alternate dimensions were created by Kresnik infighting and overuse of their powers? If he already knows this and has no reason to start more shit himself AND the trolling from the spirits is done, there will be no repeat of what happened in the past/alternate future. Even if you go with the Elle ending, history will still repeat if you assume Kresniks will continue to fight each other for some reason.
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>>260355325
Pretty sure that chronos said that origin's trial began anew at the end of both endings
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>>260357117
But that doesn't mean anything for the purposes of determining the lives of the characters in the game. The trial took thousands of years to play out. Only the one taking place during the course of the game matters, and that gets resolved.
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>>260340082

There's no time loops in Xillia 2. It's alternate universes.

It's more like the Futurama episode with all the universes inside of boxes that have one main difference from the normal universe.
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>>260341607

Muzet doesn't have to leave. Her body is specifically designed to travel between the spirit and earthly realms at will with no detriment to anything. She simply left so she could hang out with her sister, she'll probably come back once in a while.
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>>260353750
That's a nice breeze. I could stand here all day.
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>>260343123

Gaius got away with it because he's the king of all Rieze Maxia, and a king who established the legitimacy of his rule through force at that.

Muzet got away with it because her brain was fixed.
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>>260360685
For that matter, I'd think Milla could always visit once Jude finished his work and the leftover mana from the schism wasn't propping up the ecosystem.
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>>260347462
>Why do I have to backtrack the same maps from Xillia 1 2x-3x?

Because it's a sequel

>Why is the main quest behind a money wall?

Because plot. Can't really justify this one.

>Why do jobs need an item that has a random chance from dropping in the cat fetch quest which takes real time to complete?

Then just do the kill quests instead

>Why the fuck is the mc mute and only has autistic facial expressions in the first playthrough?

Because if he talked it would be a spoiler.
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And there. Beat it, did...about half of the EX dungeon, decided to just move on to NG+ since I already have 5k grade.

So is there a title/trophy for doing both options of every conversation choice? Since the one I picked last playthrough is checked off now. I don't want to have to be the dick in-game if I don't need to be.
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>>260363028
>95% of the choices
>mattering.
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>>260363363

Which is why I asked if there's a title for it, which means I earn grade for doing it.

Also, your choice does influence affection gained.
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>>260363564
Well in that case you get titles for maxing out affection with a character and one for maxing out every character's affection.
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>>260363564
The important thing to remember is that you can't LOSE affection, only not gain any. If you carried it over from the previous game, then at least half of your characters are already maxed in that regard if you did half of the dungeon. Which means that considering character quests, the others are at at least 4 or 5 hearts, making them easy to max in a second playthrough.
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>>260364540

True. At least it means I won't have to grind poker like crazy for buying friendship potions again.

Also before I went to NG+ I paid off the debt and got the hotsprings ending.

>Muzet agrees that the boys shouldn't be in the same co-ed bath with them.

You're a fucking lying bitch. Your thirst was so real that if dicks were water, you were trapped in the sahara Don't give me that "I don't want them to see me naked" bullshit, you let a complete stranger grope your tits for "research".
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So i beat the normal and true endings.

Is it recommended to take on the revived elite monsters now, or save it for a NG+ run?
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>>260365524

I managed to beat them, though I was pretty overleveled. I think i beat the revived bird at around lvl 126, and even then he was doing like 2000 dmg a hit.

Also there's still the EX dungeon to do for all those silly character replacements.
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>>260365754
>for all those silly character replacements.
What?
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>>260365970

There are these wierd costume things anyone can equip that come from the EX dungeon that complete replace the character's battle and field/cutscene model. All of them are programmed to be able to do every animation those characters did for that cutscene. Here are the characters you can get from the EX dungeon shop (taken from an old gfaqs thread, so some names might not be localized)

2. Elle Mel Mata costume
3. Ivar costume
4. Wingull costume (black haired version)
5. Jiao costume
6. Presa costume
7. Agria costume
8. Julius costume
9. Bisley costume
10. Redau costume
*couldn't really find the name of these 2 below that well*
11. Driselle costume
12. Crayn Shall costume
13. Celcius costume
14. Nova costume
15. Vera costume
16. Cress Albane costume
17. Mint Adenade costume
18. Stahn Aileron costume
19. Rutee Katrea costume
20. Bruiser Khang "Mighty Kongman" costume
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>>260366409

Oh, and I forgot to mention. These items can only be bought with these little bell things that you obtain within the dungeon.
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>>260365970
I take it you haven't seen the fuckers that keep posting entire parties of Elles or Driselles.
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>>260366791
I tested out the dungeon and nabbed two so far. Where do you trade them in?
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How do you people put up with the English dub in this game?
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>>260367071
>Elle or Driselle
>not wanting a whole team of CHAMPIONS

>>260367334

When it lets you return to the entrance there will now be a glowing red fireball in the middle of the room with the party. That's the shop.
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>>260367334
Beat a boss and a glowing orange sphere will appear at the entrance that sells them to you.
Better start saving. Some of them require 50 bells like Elle's, Mint's, Rutee's and I think Julius'.
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>>260367071
>>260367495
can you carry them over to a NG+?
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>>260367767

As long as you select the grade option to carry over costumes.
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>>260367495
>Kongman with Elizes voice
>Elle with Gaius' voice.

Sounds like fun.
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>>260367489

By getting the undub
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>>260367489
I've seen worse.

It's not bad, I like it.
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>>260367495
The Sophie doll is creepy.
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>>260367489

It doesn't particularly bother me. Helps the performances are better than in 1, which I assume is from the actors now being used to the characters.
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>>260368843
>>260369473

Well, sure I guess you could settle for mediocre.
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>>260336719
It's a shame it doesn't have Japanese audio. I've heard the dub, no thanks.
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>>260369680

No Eternia is mediocre (which is funny, because the guy that voiced Reid went on to be the voice of Sly Cooper, so he CAN act). Xillia 2 is above average for an animu game dub.
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>>260369680
Fuck off with your sacared overacted kotoba.
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>>260369950
>the guy that voiced Reid went on to be the voice of Sly Cooper
Huh. Learn something new every day.
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>>260370214

Yeah it's true, Reid is listed on his website. Apparently he really liked the character and was glad he took the role because it gave him a lot of experience in voiceover work for vidya.

He was kinda disappointed that he wasn't called back to reprise the role for the Abyss cameo.
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>>260370451
Who voiced him in Abyss?
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>>260370662

It was either Jude's actor (Sam Riegel) or Kyle Hebert. I can't remember which because they can have similar sounding voices for just yelling attack names, and the tales wiki only lists his Eternia actor. Pretty sure it was Jude though.
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Recommended level for final boss?

Right now I'm Level 62, not exactly at the final boss but I'm at Chapter 15 after Julius dies.
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>>260371018
I was at around 77 and still had a hard time
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>>260371018

You can stand to be tougher than that.
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>>260369950

Ok, then settle for "it's alright" or "it could be worse" or "it's better than the first"

OR you could have, you know, "good"
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>>260371542

Animu games don't get good dubs. The last game I remember that did was Ni No Kuni, and that's because it was given the Miyazaki treatement for obvious reasons.

You compromise in that regard.
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>>260371143
>>260371215
Dam, guess I'll work on that before I rage and lower the difficulty.
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>>260372074

Well then play animu games in Japanese, just like the animu I assume you watch since you're playing animu games.
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>post battle skit of Alvin and Gaius comparing their Demon Fangs
>Alvin feels inadequate about his tiny ass Demon Fang

I laughed.
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>>260372368

Then the text in this case would be japanese, which I can't read. The only games I do that for is SRW, and that's basically a fanservice series. I only did it for Vesperia because I didn't have a 360 and wanted to play it.

>the cfw and undub it

I don't cfw my ps3 and I don't pirate games.
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>>260372695

Well if you don't want to cfw then I guess just live with it.

Or complain to Baba, maybe he'll give a fuck and add the voices back in the future.
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>>260373056
>Or complain to Baba, maybe he'll give a fuck and add the voices back in the future.
The games have to be specifically programmed to function with dual audio capability. The only reason Symphonia HD had that was because it was designed that way from the start.

It's also harder on a different technical level because the localization re-times the animation of the mouth flaps to match the dub, so it would be actually out of sync now with the original audio,
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>>260373360
Since Zestiria is being made with localization in mind, we can probably expect dual audio
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>>260367489
The english dub is just fine. It's not an "oh my god my ears burn. I can't listen to this" dub.
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Why the fuck do you faggots play these games?
There's not a single redeeming thing about them. On paper, it sounds all fun and dandy but the combat isn't very fleshed out compared to proper action games, the story and characters are mostly generic and the designs aren't anything to write home about either, at least the majority.
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>>260373467

If we're lucky. God knows the seiyuu unions are picky as fuck with their work being brought overseas outside of anime. They just love to jack up the prices like crazy for no reason.
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>>260373625

I like them.
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>>260373942
Well I don't want to know whether you like them, I want to know WHY.

Maybe I'm just uninformed and my opinion is wrong or I played the wrong Tales of games.
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>>260374082

I like silly cliche anime stories with a combat system that lets me play with my friends. Not many jrpgs let you do the second one.
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>>260374249
That I have to admit. Co-op is always nice.
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>>260374370

It's why I didn't like Legendia. The game had god-tier music and enjoyable characters, but it had no multiplayer. Not to mention the battle system felt like a step down from even Eternia.

Though I don't think Tales Studio made Legendia, I think it was the Soul Calibur team.
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>>260373625
I'm a filthy casual who likes the combat because it makes me feel like I'm actually good at video games
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>>260374773

it's ok anon.

You're only a true casual when you give up.
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>>260374773
>>260374661
Well I have to admit I didn't expect this level of honesty. At least the community on /v/ seems to be pretty alright.
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I played this nonstop for 60 hours over the weekend until I beat it.
It was pretty great.
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>>260373625
>Proper action games
Like?
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>>260376631
DMC, Bayo and the likes. I'm well aware that Tales games are still JRPGs but with an action combat system, they will inevitable be compared to "proper" action games.
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>>260377052
I was getting DMC vibes from this scene the first time I saw it.
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>>260377052
Are they shooting each other's bullets?
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>>260373625
Its fun, the skills are interesting and there are usually multiple characters who play differently to play as.
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>>260377260
The problem is that it isn't very well directed and that the animations are kinda...weightless?
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>>260376875
You can't expect a co-op action rpg to have a battle system like DMC or Bayonetta.
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>>260377607
So it's exactly like DMC then?
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>>260377723
Exactly, without the jokes.
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>>260377706
I dunno, the only real gameplay difference I see is the absence of rapid cancel spam.
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Did they add more than just 1 voice line for each attack? I swear, that shit is annoying as fuck.
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>>260367495
Where do you get the little doll on the left guy's leg? I don't think I have that yet, and I want it.
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>>260378462

I think you need clear data for Graces
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>>260378704
>Have Tales of Vesperia PS3
>Don't get anything in Xillia 2 for it

Well, at least I got this Danger Jr guy.
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>>260378704
no other way? well shit.
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>>260377052

I actually liked this.
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>>260377904
It could have used jokes. The death march of the second half of the game is a little overbearing.
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>>260379432
Almost every game would be better if it had more jokes.
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>>260378912
I think you got something in the JP version of Xillia 2

Mighta just been a Danger Jr. Plushie, and graces only got the sophie doll can't remember
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>>260378912
Yuri doll is what you get for Vesperia data in Jap Xillia 2. It got changed to Graces data for the US version because Vesperia PS3 never came out in US.
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>>260379432
At the half way point when the first sad happened, I kept waiting for the sad to stop and some happy to come back.

It never does.
It just keeps getting worse.
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>Get into 20 million gald debt
>Get shunned by all his classmates and friends because they're afraid he's trouble
>Lose brother and potential love interest
Being Ludger is suffering.
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>>260380739
Kills himself
Twice
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>>260379791
Julius was probably the worst bit. After that it's just manipulation to try to get you to throw away a good ending and waste your brother's efforts on someone you just met and can get back later anyway. I wasn't fooled by their stupid Japanese traditions.
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>>260381068
>can get back later anyway
The whole point is that she is actually the real one since she's the one you met. She's the one worth saving.
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>>260381068
>you didn't come to love her as your real daughter
What kind of Ludger did you play?
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>>260380739
>Luke swimming in money
that's pretty funny considering a good portion of Abyss is spent in "wartime economy" where everything is pricey as shit and you'll have to think twice about every purchase
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>>260381840
I actually found that money was easier in X2 than any other Tales I've played.
You can get around paying the debt when you don't want to and otherwise it's easier than ever to make dosh, I was never struggling to buy upgrades.
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>>260381431
>as your real daughter
>implying she wasn't always that
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Did anyone notice the job requests by Dhaos, Richard, and Zelos halfway through the game? I'm pretty sure there's one from Hideo Baba as well.
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>>260381268
No, that isn't the point at all. It was about being together, and taking the easy option doesn't do that. It was also about growing into someone who can be responsible for their own choices, not someone who asks one guy to shoulder everything after already being forced to do unspeakable things in your interest. Also she'd be the same person because lolreicarnation and anime genetics.
>>260381431
I'm not a shut-in who naturally wants to protect any little girl I'm presented with. Even in-game Ludger doesn't really think of her as his daughter in a meaningful way, as the event notes demonstrate. Julius is his only real family.
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>>260382314
You're cold, I don't like you.
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>>260382314
>I'm not a shut-in who naturally wants to protect any little girl I'm presented with.

You weren't simply presented to her, you had the whole game for her to grow on you. If you didn't become attached to Elle by the end then I don't know what to say.
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>>260382084
I like Baba.
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>>260382798
I have a question, now that I read the name "Lloyd".

The double L at the beginning of names has some really weird pronunciation, doesn't it? How exactly is it pronounced?
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>>260382084
Yeah, I was reading the description for Zelos' quest before I saw his name. I was like "I know I've seen this kind of talk before". Was a pleasant surprise.
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>Elize Episode 3
>she wants to negotiate with terrorists.
How unpatriotic.
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>>260382084
I noticed that after I realized the Sealed weapons have the Title names.
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I never understood why Baba loved always having that Rollo plushie with him until now.

That cat is the best character in the game.
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>>260382798
>date
>with Pascal
>the character who never bathes and has ADD

Holy shit, how can he have such horrible taste?
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>>260382997
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0pnPRRtHVqm
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>>260383295
Rollo is the best mascot in the series.
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>>260383327
I'm pretty sure it's not Llllllllloid.
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>>260383231
She doesn't want to negotiate, she just wants to grant them amnesty.
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>>260383296

What if you can get her to take a bath with you?
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>>260383686
No thanks, the water would be disgusting.
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>>260383231

You mean the thing we did back in June?

The thing we did in Iran-Contra?

The thing we have always done if it's more convenient for us than not doing so?
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>>260383686
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>>260383792
>going into the bath water when you're still dirty
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>>260382672
it's a proven fact that some autists don't understand/feel human emotions
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>>260383961
>that skit where Malik jokes that Poisson is Pascal's daughter and Fourier is Pascal's mother
>their ages actually do match up to being compatible with the age for reproduction
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>tfw no Victor hairstyle.

Victor's outfit just doesn't look good with Ludger's hair.
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>>260383295
Ending with old Rollo with shaggy ass furr, no longer wandering around, just sitting on the beach sleeping all day, getting his son to do all his wandering for him
If that doesn't hit a person in the gut they are a monster
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>>260384315
Isn't Fourier like, 2-3 years older than Pascal?
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>>260382672
She was fine, but the game was deeply manipulative around her in an effort to pressure you into their retard suicidal mentality, and I don't like that.
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>>260384551

No, she's actually quite a good deal older, and Pascal is already...what, 23? It makes me wonder who their mother was.
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>>260384318
IIRC there is a hairstyle you can get later that is the same one as Victor's unfortunetely Ludger's hair is still white.
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At what point do things open up? I just finished offing Volt and things still seem pretty restricted.
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>>260384973
New areas open up constantly as the story progresses.
Even now there should be some side quests and elite monsters for you to go fight, you can go explore the Abyss too if you're past Helioborg.
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>>260384767
I'm using the formal hairstyle you get with Ludger's VP outfit with the Victor outfit. It's the only one that really fits.
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>>260384682
>suicidal
>not saving her so that you can hold the burden of protecting the multiverse yourself

The role of a hero is a lonely one anon.

Though this would have been fixed if there was an option to just ask "make it so that no new divergence catalysts can be made". Then Ludger actually CAN destroy all the fractured universes and it doesn't matter how much he abuses the kresnik power because there's no longer a downside.
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>>260385564
can't expect an RPG protagonist to be intelligent, but I would have at least expected Rowen to figure that out.
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>>260385379
Wait, there's a Victor outfit?
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>>260385564
Julius closed maybe a few hundred, Redaux slightly less. Ludger would have to close more than 900,000 dimensions before dying of old age.

But if Ludgers from other dimensions are also closing dimensions wouldn't that completely halt the exponential growth in the first place? How are there any fractured dimensions at all?
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>>260385564
I agree with the other Anon. The suicide plot is retarded. The entire game is about living with your decisions, and suicide is nothing more than an escape from them.

Saving Elle or not is not going to change the overall fate of the world with the current decisions. The Divergence Catalysts are still going exist. As you said, if they had wished for no divergence catalysts to be made, then something would have changed.

The suicide is simply for the drama and because Japan.
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>>260385564
>abandoning a little girl instead of remaking her without suffering and accepting the guilt
Not very heroic to me. Sounds a lot like the coward's choice.
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Why is Muzet so god damn lewd?
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>>260386280
Yep. Beat the game in the normal or true endings and you'll get it.

It's sexy as fuck, but as said above, there's no Victor hair, so it looks a bit strange. The Sidekick Mask accessory is close enough to Victor's mask, if you want to go all out.
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>>260385564
It wouldn't narratively work because it's a cop-out. It completely defeats the purpose of tackling the weight of sacrifice vs self-sacrifice, and if you have an answer that's an easy way out then it nullifies any emotional or thematic impact of the other choices.

It's like when people ask why the eagles didn't just fly the ring to mordor. Ignoring the fact that Tolkien later said in a letter that asked him that that he simply hadn't thought of the solution (and because he said they would've just said no), it means the story would have been too short and none of the interesting events would have happened.
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>>260386757
Why does rose corsage look so good on her, I use it too.
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Alternate dimensions stories are such mindfucks
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>>260386561
>The suicide is simply for the drama and because Japan.

>This fictional story is written dramatically just for the sake of being dramatic.
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>>260386897
I have her wearing the swimsuit and cowboy hat.
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That fucking Kitty Dispatch though. Took me more than 15 dispatches to get the item I needed for a side quest.
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>>260387003
It's one of the worst narrative crutches, especially in Japan. You can have drama without it.
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>>260387268
Yeah that thing is a pain in the ass, but seeing Rollo messing around is pretty nice.
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>>260386804

The entire story is emotionally manipulative, and I don't mean that from the "hurr forced drama" sense. I mean the story is specifically made to try to make you want to save Elle instead of saving the universe, and why? Because the average player doesn't want to see a little girl die, especially one that the player tended to become more attached to over the course of the game than the characters do, and thus will make the player consider a choice that they really shouldn't.

>>260387414

Well there are game genres like utsuge for a reason.
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>>260386804
It also invalidates Julius. 'I did all this so you could throw it all away five minutes later.'
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>>260387414
I don't see how it's a worse crutch than the fact that you're making a genie wish with god because of some meaningless game and also you're on a moon made out of clocks while this is happening and there's some kind of giant purple baby that you're fighting on.
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how do you unlock the swimsuit outfits for everyone? are they DLC only? can you even unlock some good outfits in the game? only found the pyjama so far...
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I saved Elle for the grade
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Wait, hold up. You actually can save her?

I selected every time "I'm going to save you". I denied removing the fractured universes every time they asked. Then Elle said "fuck it, you don't ge to choose" and she made the wish for me and I got the Normal ending. What did I do wrong?
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>>260387952
In-game you can unlock everyone's Xillia 1 costumes and some alternate colour sets of both 1 and 2. Ludger has a load of unlockable outfits, Milla and Alvin have poker outfits, there are shit-off outfits for a few people.

The swimwear is DLC.
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>>260388416
well, that's something at least. thanks.
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>>260388379
You need to remove the fractured dimensions and then choose to save her.
Ludger becomes the last catalyst before Elle and her transformation stops.
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>>260336719
I don't know what game this is.
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>>260387989
That doesn't mean you shouldn't get the other endings. They give good grade, though not as much.
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>>260387774
This is what ticks me off most about the "true" ending.

You're throwing away what Julius gave you, which is silly, because Elle is actually going to exist in the future no matter what choice you make.

After all the fucking up you've done, the millions of lives you've ended in the alternate dimensions, and finally taking your brother's life, you're not going to take charge of your own life and live to continue to see Spirius' goal through? As President, Ludger can aid Jude's research with funding and manpower. He can help make a better, more peaceful world by using his political influence. He can shape the future of the world.

Seriously, what the actual fuck.

That said, the normal ending was a bit weird with Ludger being thrilled to meet a woman he's never met before simply because he knows she'll give birth to Elle. I would have liked that scene a lot more if he had just met her offhand and not realized they were going to marry.
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>>260388379
Choose to save her.
Decide to wish away the fractured dimensions.
Save her by ending your own life.
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>>260388727
Julius gave you the chance to save what's important to you, that's supposed to be Elle but you don't seem to care about her at all, so you just save your own skin instead.
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>>260387867
What if...

Guys, listen...

Guys what if...

What if... Recette... Owned a gun shop.
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>>260388727
>After all the fucking up you've done, the millions of lives you've ended in the alternate dimensions, and finally taking your brother's life, you're not going to take charge of your own life and live to continue to see Spirius' goal through

Honestly, I don't think I would be able to live with myself after knowing everything I had done. Speaking completely truthfully here, the guilt of it all probably would've made me kill myself at some point.
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>>260388682
Tales of Xillia 2.
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>>260388923
I'm not the dude that doesn't care about Elle.

I like Elle.

I simply realize that there's much more purpose in Ludger living than here is dying. Again: Ludger can actively help determine the political climate of Elympios. Spirius is the most powerful and influential organization on the planet. And he's President.
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>>260388727
That bit is weird, yes, but he always struck me as a little emotionally fucked up, so.
And yes, they try to force you into the wrong choice because muh loli daughter, but it's worse for everyone. Abandon the little girl twice and leave her with the people happy to kill her family off etc.
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>not getting the ending where Cress and Stahn just use the Eternal Sword to say "fuck you" to Chronos and save the world first
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>>260389605
We all know that's the true true end because you can't do it until clearing the game.
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>>260389562
Rowen has the political situation covered.

Elle is young and has her whole life ahead of her whereas Ludger has almost nothing left to live for at that point. It doesn't make sense to kill her.
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But if you don't take the True Ending path, you never prove what Origin was trying to do with the trial in the first place.
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>>260389605
How do you get it anyway?
Is there a lot of grinding involved?
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>>260389882
>Ludger has almost nothing left to live for at that point

Except, you know, a job, friends, a future wife, and child? And any hundreds of possible descendants?

Rowen only has one side of the political situation covered. If you paid attention, especially during the bonus episode, Rieze Maxia is at an extreme bargaining disadvantage and Rowen and Gaius have resorted to making very powerful weapons to even stand for any equality. Even Marcia is said to be a minority leader.

Ludger on the Elympios side changes all of that.
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>>260389885
His trial is arbitrary fucking with people's lives and serves no legitimate purpose. Also both sacrifices have the same symbolic meaning except one is an abdication of responsibility and removal of someone else's agency.
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>>260390049
Beat the Elite Party run in the Coliseum.
You may have to do some stuff for the Cameo team to appear there first though.
Defeat them, and ask them to save Elle for you.
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>>260389885

It's bullshit. You're telling me that in thousands of years and 999,999 creations of divergance catalysts, there wasn't ONE instance before Ludger where a Kresnik used the Chromatus to willingly take their own life for the sake of saving another, proving that humanity can use the gift for a completely selfless reason. That it somehow never happened before that?
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>>260390538
I've done that arena run but I didn't see them, I think I still have a quest from one of them though, the unicorn horn one. Probably need to finish that first.
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>>260390538
Not him, but I cleared EX dungeon with 3rd bosses and elite party and still haven't gotten that option. Do I need to clear elite party again now that I've cleared EX dungeon?
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>>260390335
Gaius's story also reminds you that choosing options that help individuals you like aren't always the mature or responsible ones.
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>>260390594
Of course not, you're special.
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>>260390594
It doesn't matter if a fractured dimension Kresnik does something like that I don't think, it only counts if it's in the prime dimension, just like everything else in the game.
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>>260390594
Maybe it only counts if it happens in the prime dimension.
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>>260390770
Excellent, and a very amusing point.

The Character Episodes usually mesh well with the message of the main plot, but Gaius is clearly in conflict with what Bamco "wants" us to think. And yet Gaius was clearly correct.
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I didn't cry, but I did get a bit teary eyed.
Am I still manly?
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>>260390980
Wasn't Elle planning exactly that kind of act? The sacrifice is the same either way.
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>>260391107

Everyone cries sometimes anon.
Even pic related
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>>260391331

She's the Key, but she's not the one using the power, so it doesn't count. Plus she's not from the prime dimension anyway.

Yeah it's bullshit, but that's how the narrative is built.
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>>260391391
>Kichikuou translation is so close to being done

Can't wait.
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>>260391107
>not crying when Julius hums the Hymn of Proof

No, you're not manly at all. You're a faggot.
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>>260387608
Wasn't the premise of the game basically shown as "would you give up the world for one person?" when the game was announced?

It kinda wants you to have to make that decision, not have it all be one way or another.
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>>260391107
It's not wrong to cry when the whole point of the scene is to make you sad.

>>260391736
>Wasn't the premise of the game basically shown as "would you give up the world for one person?"
Yes.
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>>260390720
You may have to do the quests for Mint and Rutee first. I'm not sure myself. The started showing up in the Arena after clearing the EX Dungeon for me. Just pick Elite Party again and see what happens. They don't appear until the end of it.
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>>260391736
>Wasn't the premise of the game basically shown as "would you give up the world for one person?" when the game was announced?

The premise is fine, in fact, as shown in this thread, they've done a decent job with it. The primary issue is that Bamco has taken a very clear stance on which they feel is "right," despite evidence, and even mixed signals in-game, otherwise, such as
>>260390770
>>260389562
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>>260391581
She's obviously valid enough to count as a catalyst. The prime distinction doesn't work unless you also accept that the trial is totally illegitimate and to be broken if at all possible.
Doing what Origin secretly wants is heaping stupidity on stupidity.
>>260391736
They ask but also think there's a correct answer, and it's the dumb one.
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I'm not the only one using Milla with Asbel outfit for the battle theme all the time, right?
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>>260391736

Now I know why the ending felt familiar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyX1yZtfqks

That scene made me sadder than anything in Xillia 2 did
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>>260392193
I think the fact that there is a choice and multiple endings gives a little bit of freedom to determine your own thoughts about the correct choice.

Obviously they had their own thoughts when making it though. The important part is that we can have this kind of discussion.
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>>260392369
I wanted to but couldn't stand the Graces music so I put her back in the Takane outfit instead.
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>>260392436
Yes, they slipped up by making one ending allegedly true when others also work, but it's good that the decision is more than just a choice of colors. Everyone can be happyish with their preferred end. Or go for the cameo solution.
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>>260392901
There needs to be a canon ending so that they can make Xillia 3.
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>>260393298
Xillia 3: Milla Returns?
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>>260392415
The very next cutscene negates it.
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>>260393298
If they ever do, yes. Otherwise they're all equally canonical because nothing builds on it.
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>>260393662
Never heard that joke before.
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>>260393769

No it fucking doesn't. The ending is the conclusion of what Kyle believed in all his life, that there is always a light at the end of the tunnel. Alternatively

>You can't give up hope just because it's hopeless. You gotta hope even more and cover your ears and go "blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah!"

If the game actually ended before that it would be the most depressing ending the series ever got. No one would want that, especially after everything they already went through in the game.
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>Leia's ringtone is Pascal's theme
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>>260394632
Ludger's is Eternal Mind

Someone in the game's is Fighting of the Spirit

Elize's is Teepo saying "Wa-hey, answer me!"
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>>260395183
>Elize's is Teepo saying "Wa-hey, answer me!"

That seems like it would get real old real fast
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>>260395183
Marcia's and Elize's are beyond obnoxious, but they're still hilarious.

The ringtones were pretty clever in general.

Also, pay attention to their phones' wallpapers. Ludger's is Rollo.
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>>260395634
>Marcia's and Elize's are beyond obnoxious, but they're still hilarious.

True, but Elize is what, 11?

She's at the age where she thinks hearing her superpal's voice when the phone rings is cool.
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>>260395959
No, Elize is 13. Still at that age, though.
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>>260395959
Elize is 13. She's actually much closer in age to Jude (16) than Milla is.
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I want to commit a crime with Elize
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>>260396187
Which is why I really found her ridiculous in Xillia 1. Just being alone doesn't stunt your emotional and mental growth that much.

She's much better in Xillia 2.
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>>260377052
This is so bad. It's like they're dancing
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>>260396690
Teepo makes her stupid.
She went a year without him and that's why she improved.
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>>260396690
...did you even read the story? She wasn't just "alone", she was hated by everyone and treated like some sort of witch.
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Forget about Xillia 2. In Zestiria you can't swap out the humans.
That's right, Sorey and Alisha are your fixed party member.
http://tokrin.com/archives/50864827.html
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>>260396881
And yet that still wouldn't make her act like an 8 year-old.
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>>260397096
Can Alisha fuse yet?
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>>260397096
>Sorey
>Kor
Why? Why do they do this?
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>>260396690
>Just being alone doesn't stunt your emotional and mental growth that much
It does if the isolation is at an early age.
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>>260397415
Sorey is just the "official romanization." Aka, bullshit. The same "official romanization" of Alisha is Arisha.

They'll probably change it when we get a western release.
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>>260397669
Alisha and Arisha are real names so I don't mind much.

>>260397415
Blame the localization team for Kor.
The name Sorey on the other hand came from japan.
At least it's not fucking Slay.
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I just got the good Milla back. I beat Rideaux on my first try but it was fucking frustrating, I just have no idea how to effectively combo in the game, so enemies tend to just smack me in the face halfway through doing what I'm doing.
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>>260398131
>Milla M
>good Milla

Full fucking retard.
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>Elle will never be born as a product of their affection.
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>>260398094
>At least it's not fucking Slay.
>dragonoid
>not wanting a character named Slay the Dragon
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>>260398827
Slay sound retarded as fuck.
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>>260399157
I just want the pun damnit
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>>260398094
>Not just changing the spelling to Slei to make it seem less retarded.
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>>260399157
It sounds less retarded than Srey, Sray, or Srei at least?
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>>260399228
But that would cause all kinds of fuckups with the localisation when they come to translate all the Jappers calling him Sor-chan or something. How do you shorten a one-syllable name?
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Why is the entire male cast in this game so goddamn sexy?
Even Bisley and Chronos if you're into those type.

The male cast is basically female fanservice.

I suppose Rideaux is really the only ugly male, but he might appeal to some, but he's really the only outright not-hot male. That and Jiao.
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>>260399942
Because it's for broads.


The fucking collector's edition came with a figure of a dude and a compact mirror
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>>260399942
Ludger would make a good husbando. And to answer your question, this series has always pandered to fujoshits.
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>>260399942
Have you realized Tales Series is basically fujobait series?
Aside from the battle system, that is.
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>>260400164
I prefer Victor as husbando material.
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It kind of feels like they should have skipped ahead more than one year. I mean, it's nice to see that Leia and Jude got big-shot jobs and everything, but they're still like 15/16 years old
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I am nowhere near this good when it comes to bosses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWXGRZx3Zf8&list=UUFVEr9by15m28zsEhQZETXQ#t=2444

How does he do it
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>>260400861
>posting omega

No one is as good as him.
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>>260400692
Agreed. And a city the size and influence of Marksburg wouldn't have been built in a year.

Mentally when I play the game I tend to consider it 3 or so years.
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>Finally get to the EX dungeon
>Can't even get all the doors
>Some bosses are like over level 100
Goddamn sometimes Tales bonus dungeons make me upset.
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>>260401070
I want him to teach me his ways.
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>>260400861
>>260401070
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X6fXbY0TtM
Indeed, Omega is a God.
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>>260401504
I take it spamming fireball as Rowen isn't the solution to everything in this game like it was in the last?
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>>260401606

He would just say to keep practicing.
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>>260401504
There's an even bigger than normal difficulty spike in Xillia 2's post-game from the final dungeon than other Tales games, I found.
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>>260401504
The only doors you can open at a given time correspond to the party you brought with you.
The center door will always be there because it corresponds to Ludger.
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>>260401641
Damn, I never noticed how similar Tales battle systems are to fighting games.
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>>260401746
Yeah ain't that just great?

>>260401847
Oh thanks.

Time to get more of those friendship potions then.
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If I don't roll over affinity on NG+, do I lose all the affinity skill tomes/mystic arte tomes even if I get the "roll over all tomes" bonus? I maxed all affinity already so I don't really need to roll it over unless it's required.
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>he doesn't use Ludger's formal hair style!
>he doesn't use Ludger's Victor costume!

What's your excuse, faggot?
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>>260402469
How will I have a party of Elles that way?
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>>260402695
>using a party of Elles
>any year
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So was Bisley your dad or what?
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>>260402836
>not making all the males into Elle or another female
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>>260403074
The guidebook says he is.
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>>260403074
He is.
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>>260403135
>not making an army of onii-san
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>>260403074
Yes.

Julius is his illegitimate son who has been using Ludger's pocketwatch the entire time and leeching Ludger's power. He originally stole Ludger away from Bisley in an attempt to fuck Bisley over.

Eventually he began to care for him in a true way.

All from the official guidebook in Japan.
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>>260403569
Translations where? And God, I love the relationship between Ludger and Julius.
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>>260403569
Though this is also fairly clearly stated in game if you put together a couple of plot details.
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>>260403739
I want to marry Nova
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>>260403856

Yeah but they never 100% say it so I asked to be sure.
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>>260403739
http://kakoimamirai.blogspot.ca/2013/03/the-clan-of-kresnik.html
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>>260404120
Yes, it's left ambiguous, but the combination of Julius's log quests and what Victor said plus the magic of hair are big clues.
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Maxwell named Milla after his waifu

I'm not sure how I feel about that.

I guess him and celcius just prove that the secret to Human/Spirit relations is that they just need to fuck each other.
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>>260405361
>Alt Milla became more confident in the prime dimension because Ludger was giving her the D

It all makes sense now.
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>>260405361
but Celcius said she never went for any of Howe's attempts.
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>>260405361
Hey I can buy it too.
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>Vera seems so cold and distant
>You find out from Nova that she's actually so nervous around guys that she's just quiet during dates
>Nova then has to go drinking with her to make her feel better about getting dumped

poor Vera
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>>260405769
She's pretty obviously a tsundere, of course she said that. She very clearly held affection for Howe, and for the time they spent together.
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>>260405939
>tfw Vera tells you Nova's secret

Vera, you cold, cruel woman.

There was no reason to spite Ludger for Nova's blabbing.
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>>260406226

I told Vera not to tell me the secret. Vera said that's good because she was about to tell me things like Nova's credit card numbers.
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>>260398131
>good Milla
Ahh, an ally. Fuck the tsun sympathizers.

Anyways, to make proper combos you have to abuse moves that gain the "Increase stagger" upgrade.
Falling Snow, Energy Shackles, and Lunar Reflection are some of the ones for Dual Swords.
You can insert another arte in between 2 of these moves but make sure you follow it up. Also, try to plan ahead to make good use of the weakness system.
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>>260406405
She's lying.

She actually tells you a really cruel secret that hurts Ludger more than anyone.
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>>260406406
>Ahh, an ally. Fuck the tsun sympathizers

But the best part of a tsun is getting them to open up their dere side around you,
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>>260406657

Is it that the reason Nova rejected Ludger is because she loved Julius?
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>>260406226
>There was no reason to spite Ludger for Nova's blabbing.
I feel bad for him in a sense.

It's as if the whole universe is out to get him.
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>>260406406
Haven't really been paying attention to what arte upgrades do so I'll keep a closer watch - My preference is for the hammer, though as I seem to be able to get the longest strings, the most armor breaks and the best damage from it. Weaknesses could use more attention too, I've been lazy

Thanks for the tips
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>>260397096
Well it's not like I was going to swap out Slay anyways.

Maybe Alisha depending on how she plays.
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>>260406674
Alt Milla consistently comes off as more dere than tsun around Elle and Ludger.

Which makes sense, since Elle and Ludger are the only ones who give her the time of day as a unique person, when everyone else just wants Milla M back or sees her as a bad replacement.

Basically, the party is full of assholes.
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>>260407012
Just hover over an arte in your list and press square. You get to see the upgrades for all your artes that way.
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>>260341774
Her name is lulu. What kind of gay shit is 'rollo'.
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>>260407098
I don't get why they don't just beat the shit out of Origin until he does what they want. It worked in the first game and works again in the hidden ending. The returning cast got lazy.
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>>260407473
But Rollo has always been a male cat.
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>>260407473

Rollo is a boy.
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>>260406847
Seriously. He's the unluckiest protagonist ever.
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>>260407796

I'd say Kyle was unluckier until the epilouge.
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>>260407475
I guess he could have been a neat boss at least as a "Fuck all this shit lets beat him up" option.
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>>260407473
>her
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>>260408007
It's especially stupid since Jude apparently forgot that punching great spirits in the face works.
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>>260408371

Not if you want them to do something. Just if you want to release frustration on them.
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>>260396442
I saw a good fanart of the big guy committing a crime with Elize
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>Bisley realizes Ludger is his son and makes him heir to the company he built up as a reward for his hard work
>Bisley is tired as fuck of Chronos' and Origin's bullshit and just wants to be left alone in peace
>Bisley actively makes amends and attempts for a peaceful transition and relationship with Rieze Maxia.
>for some reason he is hated by the party

Bisley did nothing wrong.
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>>260408751
it's not a crime if they both want it

that said, it was probably a crime in that case because his dick is larger than she is and would most likely kill her
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>>260408818

His wish was to make all spirits slaves that couldn't ever defy a human's orders.
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>>260408818
Bisley wanted to enslave all spirits, that's what they didn't like, otherwise he did nothing wrong.
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>>260408818
They hated him cause muh spirits
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>Origin needs someone to make a wish in order to fix the soul problem

He's kind of a shitty spirit if he can't fix the problem himself without someone using him as a genie.
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So these sealed weapons with the names of previous tales games I'm getting from quests - Are they the devil arms of the game or are there actual devil arms?
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>>260336719
It won't be a loop since the fractured dimensions were part of Origin's trial and since they passed when Elle becomes the finally catalyst, when the real Elle is born she and Ludger are free to live normal lives

That true ending was some anime bullshit though.
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>>260409459
>an animesque game has the kind of ending you'd see in an anime

What are the odds
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>>260409298
You get Devil Arms by winning Tag Elite matches in the Coliseum.
The Sealed weapons are very powerful weapons with some great effects. Unsealing them is a bitch though.
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>>260408543
The arena ending involves beating the shit out of him until he does what you want. It's a perfectly legitimate technique, especially in a JRPG and with a retarded spirit.
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>>260409642
I know, but seriously that ending is pants on head retarded.
In the good ending Ludger can have his cake and eat it too but apparently that's not cool or something?
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>>260409967
>In the good ending Ludger can have his cake and eat it too

Does he? Why would Elle grow up to be exactly the same person Ludger knew when she isn't being raised by the person who went through everything Victor did
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>>260409967
It's because of Japan's mentality that suicide is the best solution. We had this argument earlier in the thread.
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>>260409967
>but apparently that's not cool or something?
Of course.

It's very clear that the game was more leaning towards the true ending then the normal one.
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>>260410189
Not even Victor cared about minor differences. It would be much the same, especially if you apply anime reincarnation where souls return looking and acting just like before.
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>>260410260

When a country is built upon saving face and NEVER looking bad in the eyes of others, can you blame them?
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>>260410189
Why would you want her to have the same personality derived from all that trauma? The true reward for her is not being forced to remember. For Ludger it's the opposite. This is why the 'true' end is stupid. They didn't understand their own story or chose to just let cultural tropes override sense.
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>>260410961
Yes, because it's retarded in the modern world.
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>>260410189
And she has to be exactly the same as the other Elle because?
You think if she likes Tomatoes Ludger is gonna be like "Fuck this!" and throw the baby away?

Each alternate character was different in a minor way but ultimately the same, you see that in the fractured dimensions.

Alt Millia was more childish, but she was still Millia
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>>260411189

And Japan has showed that they want to move technologically forward and socially stay in the same goddamn place forever.
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>>260411157
>The true reward for her is not being forced to remember.

I agree with this. Elle's suffered enough. It's the adult's responsibility to shoulder the burden, not pass it on to the child, which Ludger effectively does in the "true" ending.
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>>260411393
>You think if she likes Tomatoes Ludger is gonna be like "Fuck this!" and throw the baby away?

I laughed at that harder than I should've.

Also I disagree about Alt Milla. She was her own character in a lot of ways.
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>>260411932
She was, but I think you could see the line between versions. Alt Milla just had a lot more time to learn human behavior.
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>>260411725
That's kinda exactly why I hate the true ending
>dad dies
>welp, time to let her go through that again!

>>260411932
Alt Millia reminds me a lot of Milla at the start of Xillia 1. The way I see it Alt Millia would of been Millia if she never met Jude and hunted down Exodus by herself.
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>>260412383

It may be sad, but it's pretty much genetically coded in parents to risk themselves to protect their children from harm. The ones that aren't shitty deadbeat parents anyway. The "she'll be reborn later anyway" is a legitimate argument, but it's hard to fight emotions when it comes to things like this.
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>>260412383
Yes, exactly. It's magnifying a little girl's already intense suffering and then leaving her alone in the world with a bunch of assholes. Hardly a gift.
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>>260412383
Especially right after she comes to terms with Ludger being her dad in the first place. She does, after all, just about say "Ludger's my daddy!" before she's cut off.

Poor thing. She deserves a fresh start without the pain inflicted on her.
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>>260412775
>with a bunch of assholes
Wait hold up you are you talking about?

The ToX1 cast?
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I love Tales threads. All this discussion is great.
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>>260413038
*who
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Why did you take Alt Milla away from me game? She could have been a mother to Elle!
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>>260413038
Yes, they're not very helpful unless it's volunteering to murder your family without your permission.
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>>260413038
Yes. Ludger kills himself and then leaves it up to the ToX gang, except for Muzet and Millia who fuck off once they realize if they stayed they'd have to take care of a shitty kid, to raise her.

Best part of the true ending was Rollo
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>>260413038
Not him, but the Xillia 1 cast is a huge bunch of assholes if you don't agree with them.

I don't think Elle would ever be entirely comfortable with them due to how Alt Milla was basically mourned for 1 scene by everyone but her and Ludger.
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>>260413283
>it could have been Alt Milla
>it could have been Driselle
>it's instead just OC donut steel from the manga
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>>260413656
>Driselle is the same age as Ludger
>She has the same hair color as Elle
>There's a skit where the other characters ask you if you think Driselle is cute and offer to set you up with her
>She's not Elle's mother

Wasted opportunity of the century
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>>260413512
Well of course it's what there's good at.

>>260413547
Heh.

I admit I liked seeing slightly older Elle but hey.

>>260413595
Yeah I can't argue with that they're all dicks to alt Milla for pretty much no reason other then "She's not OUR Milla so fuck her!"
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>>260413921
Pretend it's like Awakening and he just picks a different mother with the same hair this time.
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>>260413656
Not to mention the end scene where he sees Lara is incredibly lazy. Ludger just hears the name Lara Mel Marta, a business associate, runs up to his office and realizes "This is the woman who will become Elle's mother!" and starts crying. He doesn't even know the woman.

I don't even know what the fuck.

Alt Milla or Driselle plz.
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>>260414248
>she's older but all good food turns to ash in her mouth
No thanks.
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>>260414590
And also she will probably die young if he isn't careful.
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>>260414590
I have to admit, I kinda laughed when that single tear rolled down his cheek.
I just imagine her after that meeting being like "What the fuck was that about? I hope I never have another meeting with that weirdo."
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>>260413656
Hell, it could even more realistically have been Elize in 5 or 6 years. She has an incredibly obvious crush on Ludger, confirmed by the titles.

Even Elize with her empathy would have been a better option than what Ludger ended up with.
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>>260415419
Chicks dig sensitive guys who are also billionaires and work out.
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>>260415536
Elize is used goods. Jiao wrecked her shit all that time he kept her locked in his basement.
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>>260415536

Wouldn't have matched up. Elle is 8, she came from a time only 10 years from the prime dimension. Unless you're implying Ludger blew a load in 15 year old Elize when he was 22

Please tell me you're implying that
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>>260416006
>Please tell me you're implying that
Jiao blow a load in that since she was 8 after he killed her parents.
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>>260416006
15 is legal is Japan though.

They would just have to change her age outside of there, which is done a lot with younger girls who are implied to either have had sex or are sexualized in series that are ported.
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>>260416921

Are you kidding me? Man that size there would be nothing left. He'd explode her insides if he came.
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>>260417159
And gave her an orgasm no other man could hope to match.
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>>260416006
I wasn't implying that, but I can certainly get behind it.

>L-Ludger-san, you've been such a good friend, supporting me when I needed it most
>I know you've been sad lately
>So I, um, wanted to return the favor
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>>260417636
Well I suppose I can accept it too.
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>>260415927
>"used goods" is what you care about, not a talking puppet laughing at you the entire time saying you suck
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>implying Teepo won't be the ultimate cockblocker
>implying Teepo won't be used as Ludger's condom and breaks.
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>>260418571
Doujins when
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>>260419187
>tales
>straight doujins
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>>260419187
I think Doujinmakers all ship AltMilla and Ludger, so never, unfortunately.
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>>260419808

There were plenty of Tear and regular Milla.
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>>260418571
>Elize gets knocked up.
>Ludger doesn't want anyone finding out.
>builds a house at Lake Epsilla and doesn't let Elize leave the house.
>there are complications during the birthing and Elize dies in childbirth.
>rest of the party find out what happened.
>they're pissed and try to lynch Ludger.
>Ludger kills them in self defense and throws their bodies in the lake.
>there is at least one fractured dimension where this has happened.
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>>260419187
>it's been like 10 years and Tales of Seaside still hasn't been translated
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>>260420635
Elize does seem like the stereotypical type that would die in childbirth
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>>260420543
Ah well too bad then.
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>>260420635
>potentially infinite paths for history to follow
>this really is a possible reality

L-lewd.
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>>260353750
>>260361297
HEY JUDAU, HOW YA BEEN?
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Thanks /v/, I'll never look at another Elize and Ludger scene the same way again.

I think you turned me into one of those OTP faggots.
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>>260422007
You're welcome.
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>>260422007
You have only yourself to blame.
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I want to cuddle Victor.
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>dat feel when SOUGA KEISHIN RANBU
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>going throw Epsila Ruins on NG+
>examine the glowing pillars in the red rooms.
>they play music from old Tales games.
Weird.
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>>260425014
>tfw I was actually looking forward to how he shouts it out in english
>instead, what we get is a really gay shout(?) with an equally just as gay sounding finishing move

ETERNAL WALTZ?? Seriously? Not saying the japanese name is any better if it was localized properly but damn that did not sound good at all...
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>>260422007

Hey we're not the ones that talk about their love having no bounds. It's the in-game title description that does that.
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>>260425014
Isn't it KEIGA SOUSHIN RANBU
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If alt.millia is kill then who would make soup for ellie?
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>>260425073
They did that in non-NG+, too.

Scared the crap out of me when I was clicking around.
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>>260425704
I don't that it was that bad.

I mean I wish it had a better name but still.
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>>260425953
Yeah I figured they always do. I just missed them on the first run.
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So, favorite mystic arte?
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>>260426265

Shintenresshuuzankousenpuumessaishinbatsukassatsugeki
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>>260426265
Wrath of the Heavens
Most people would probably say Heavenly Crusader but I thought it looked pretty boring.
I'd rather see my character dish out the onslaught.
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>>260426702

Should have put it not all scrunched together

Shinten Rekkuu Zankou Senpuu
Messai Shinbatsu Kassatsugeki
???????????????
(Tremorous Celestial
Sundering Shredding
Light of Cyclonic Butchery)

It was Loni's move in ToD2, then Malik got it,
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>>260426265
LET'S FINISH THIS!
O BRILLIANT BLADE OF COLDEST STEEL
REND THE INFINITE DARKNESS
AND CRUSH MY ENEMIES TO NOTHING!
SAVAGE WOLF FURY!

It's actually kinda lame, but I like the thing Yuri says for it.
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>>260426893
>not Shake Split Slash Wind Crush Punish Divide End
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Stahn's Final Fury

ARIRIRIRIRIRIRIRI
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>>260427476
I'm going to admit Split Splash reminded me of
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFwEn3ZPN_U
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>>260428120
meant to link to >>260426265
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