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Cunnilingus, scissoring or fingering? Which is your favorite to read about?

>>2289561
Fingering. As nice as cunnilingus is, it's very uninteresting after one has gone through a smut phase and devoured a bunch of erotica. Scissoring by what the name implies is just strange because it lies more on painting a picture of what they're doing.

>>2289561
Cunnilingus is the only thing worth mentioning. Other two are boring as all get-out.

>>2289561
None. Reading about sex is boring 99% of the time.

>>2289561

I love scissoring but apparently it's not realistic in real life.

>>2289564

Not really, they're all fine.

>>2289866
Depends on your anatomy and level of fitness a lot from what I've heard.

>>2289872
>Depends on your anatomy
wat

>>2289876
Some women's pussies apparently fit together better than others.

>>2289561
Assuming it's actually written well, fingering>cunnilingus>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>scissoring.

>>2289849
I usually just skip sex scenes.

>>2289887
>>2289849
I thought poorly written smut was the reason 99% of people read fanfiction. I include it more or less out of obligation since I'm pretty sure nobody would bother with my work otherwise

>>2289876
>>2289878
I think it's more a question of body size?

>>2289888
If I want to fap I'll go read manga desu. I read fic purely for the character interaction and most sex scenes could be cut and pasted from any other fic about a ship anywhere ever.

>>2289892
I was kind of including that under level of fitness. I can see there being a lot of variables even if you're both slim and lithe that mean it doesn't work out for you either though. Sensitivity and being distracted by the positioning are two I've heard mentioned before.

>>2289888
Smut only works when it's in-character and relevant.

>>2289893
Personally I find smut typically way hotter than manga. A lot of even otherwise good manga artists may draw great bodies but their grasp on what makes a natural-looking/pleasant position is generally tenuous. And worse, they rarely manage anything like an actually sexy scene or build-up at all.

>>2289904
This. The buildup and context are what it's all about. Once you have those, all the sex itself needs to do is not ruin anything. The ideas that have already been set in motion should carry it through.

I don't suppose writing is necessarily better for buildup, but it's certainly easier.

Went back to fanfiction.net after about 7 years of absence from reading or writing. I'm surprised to see how many popular series has little works done, then read about the purge of smut and felt sad.

Now all I've done is make myself sad, because finding people who can write in character is largely a fools errand and it takes me out immediately even if I like the premise.

>>2289904
>>2289909
Good writing is definitely hotter and sexier than probably 99% of manga, that's true. But that's not what gets me off, as enjoyable as it is to read. I just need something obscenely visual. Manga is the best combination of images and text that seems to exist. Tastes differ, obviously.

I definitely don't think it's accurate to say that 99% of people are just looking for smut when they read fic either way. However, I do think there's probably a significant number of people who /expect/ a sex scene if they're reading a shippy fic.

>>2289911
You can always check Ao3 if you like western series.

>>2289892
Are you implying lolis can scissor better with older girls?

>>2289911
There isn't any smut anymore?
What the fuck happened?

This somehow feels like a loss despite me not browsing the site in about the same amount of years.

>>2289939
There's still smut. It's just a rule but it's not enforced. I'm still writing smut and nothing got taken down....Yet.

>>2289947
FFn does like an annual cleanse or something of any big fandoms/notworthy smut fics to keep up appearances

>>2289978
I've been on FFN for more than 10 years and I have never seen anything like that. Every time a fanfic disappears it's always the author trying to hide their old shame.

>>2289982
Clearly you're not that observant then
https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/FanFiction.Net_adult_content_purge_felt_across_fandom_two_weeks_on
at that time I was almost exclusively using LJ iirc, so I only dipped my toe in external archives when they were linked from there, but I still remember hearing about it.

>>2289904
Manga smut sucks (mostly in doujins) because of the retarded dialogue, including the cliché "I'M CUMMIIIINNNGGGG" and "let's cum together!". Such a turn off.

>>2289936
More like it's harder for fat girls to scissor

>>2290014
>Manga smut sucks because of the retarded dialogue
Western porn has an imperial fuckton of cliches too. In the end it's about which ones please your crotch region the most.

>>2289936
Yes, especially if it's their mother or aunt.
>>2289982
>>2290013
There was also a group of analpained people going around and spamming complaints. Mostly it was over stupid shit iirc though smut was caught in the cross fire half the time.

>>2290017
To be honest some of the fics they complain about are actually shitty, so I don't mind

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>>2290013
Huh, that's a lot of deleted stories. Guess I was lucky it didn't affect the fandoms/stories I was interested in.


>>2290014
This pic is always relevant

>>2290023
That entire thing is more of a mixed bag really. Mostly in their execution and how FFN will just stealth ban/delete stuff.

>>2290026
the upside is that we have a good alternative archive these days at least.

>>2290027
True and ran by people that care for the most part

>>2289849
This. Unless it's really well written porn, just cut the sex short and fade to black or something.

>>2290024
Sauce?

>>2290040
"The sea, you, and the sun"

>>2289887

Honestly, you're right. I love the romance. If I wanted something to jack off to I'd go to pornhub.

>>2289936
>>2289898
>>2289892

I think according to real lesbians that it's not feasible or works in the way that men fantasize it to work.

>>2290038
That's the question, tho. How does one write well-written porn?

>>2290091
>in the way that men fantasize it to work
Do women fantasize it to work differently?

>>2290095
>well-written porn
Isn't that an oxymoron?

>>2290099
well written erotica?

>>2290099
Anaïs Nin?

>>2290105
Really, anon

>>2290095
Ideally, it's cute enough that the sex is just used to show how deeply in love the two characters are and how well they fit together. Something like this would be considered well written in my book: http://archiveofourown.org/works/2062323
http://archiveofourown.org/works/1144049/chapters/2315753
http://archiveofourown.org/works/5017789

>>2290105
>anon tries too hard to fit in.

>>2290111
That Oglaf one was an absolute delight

>>2290111
Anon you have some good fucking taste. I forgot how much I loved Beca/Chloe back in the day. Time to read the rest.

>>2289561

Kissing and hand holding. Maybe some rubbing through clothing.

You can do a sensual scene without delving into terrible attempts at swapping out the word vagina with a list of stupid replacements.

If it's a smut fic, it'll be hard to make every encounter meaningful.

>>2290152
luckily enough, the solution to that problem is so simple anyone that isnt a fanfiction writer can do it: dont write fics about smut, write fics that also have smut

>>2290152
Don't most smut fics work essentially as standalones or sequences of standalones where the 'plot' is just a way to set up for the context of each scene?

If your work has an actual plot, then the porn has to kind of take a back seat by necessity.

>>2290095
this is probably the most "there is no right answer" question i see come up here. some people like gratuitous fluids, some people like dialogue, some people like their porn distilled into two poetic lines and some like 7k words of meticulously crafted bondage that probably requires trigonometric calculations to set up.

>>2290105
this shit gets deleted now? really?

What's your favorite kind of romance stories?

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>>2290319
Either humorous or dripping with sexual tension. I'm not big on the fluffy stuff.

>>2290319
The slow burning kind. For fanfiction I don't even really care that much if you go out of character as long as you appropriately build up the romance at a realistic pace.

>>2290319
Ones focused on friendship/rivalry and banter where romantic elements are just a minor aspect of the story.

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>>2290369
>I'm not big on the fluffy stuff
What are you, straight?

>>2290384
>I have shit taste and I'm insecure about it

>>2290384
Fluffy blushing and handholding is too dull for me. I prefer it when sparks and small objects fly between the lovebirds.

>>2290319
Short, cute, and fluffy.

>>2290319
The ones that have my favorite pairing in the franchise.

>>2290319
I prefer the stories that with adventuring or some other main plot going on that feature main characters bonding and developing their feelings over the course of their journey. The fics that focus purely on romance become too boring and predictable after you've read enough of them.

>>2290544
To be honest, story-driven fics get predictable after about the same amount of time. They all tend to follow similar formulas and the same ideas and scenes keep reappearing again and again. It's just a reality that there's countless writers out there all working with similar ideas and not many of them are really aware of the context of countless similar works they're contributing to.

>>2290553
When you don't follow the pattern, you actually get people complaining about changes in thematic and leaving
So either way, the author loses

>>2290558
I wouldn't fault people for following those formulas, especially because trying to be overtly unique means you lock yourself out of tonnes of ideas and possibilities that are popular because they work well. Like yeah, a happy ending might be trite and predictable but fuck you I want an ending that makes me happy.

And I mean, c'mon, this is fanfiction. You write it for fun, you read it for fun. Just have fun.

>>2290553
Hard to argue with that, but story focused fics still open more variety than typical modern day high school romance stories. There are only so many ways to describe your usual handholding-blushing-confession-kissing relationship development.

I still read them, but mostly when I need a spot of predictable fluffy happiness after dealing with bad shit IRL.

>>2290319
Ones that have a plot in addition to the romance or if the romance itself is the main plot, then it must have significant conflicts besides "but we're both girls" and/or "but you're both girls".

Also side characters are mandatory and they must help out our heroines with their romantic interests and be supportive if they're a side character that should be doing such things like a friend or family member ought to.

>>2290319
The ones that I like.

>>2290570
>You write it for fun, you read it for fun. Just have fun.

>/u/ having fun

that'll be the day

i agree. but it can also be fun to improve and expand. that requires some learning of tropes and how to use them, or why to use them.

Oh fantastic, hit the wrong tab and thought I was on another board

There's a lot of lists for best Yuri anime and manga, but fanfiction is something that often gets left out

What is your fanfiction hall of fame? Preferably ones that don't require extensive context

>>2290975
I have a lot, you want videogames, anime or western cartoons?

>>2290982

Any that can stand without any context are pretty good.

I really haven't watched any anime besides sakura trick and Akuma no Riddle, and I've read all the Akuma nor Riddle fanfiction.

As for western cartoons there really isn't much material for yuri. I've read all the ones for Kim Possible (fuck me, I know). I know Avatar has KorriSami but I've never really gotten around to watching that (couldn't get into it honestly).

As for Videogames, I don't play much that have yuri material.

So I guess ones that are your favorite, or maybe ones that I can enjoy without knowing the background?

I don't remember the last time I saw a decent AnR fanfic. Somehow most of them are bad (at least there isn't much het/self insert OC)

>>2290975
>>2290995

Yuri fanfiction hall of fame is a much higher bar than good enough to read or good enough to recommend to /u/.

The only one I've read that I think really deserves such an honor is the Charlie Brown fic that we talked about last thread: http://archiveofourown.org/works/941089

As long as I'm giving my own recommendations, I'd also add the pokemon fic that got Anville Town Flute Girl added to the ffn character filter: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/7408526/1/Notes

And of course we can't forget the Kim Possible fic that got a movie adaptation: http://archiveofourown.org/works/3099050/chapters/6714170

>>2291013

Ok first of all, I can't read a Charlie Brown fic no matter how good it is. I mean, it's just the association, there's no way Charlie Brown can be anything other than Charlie Brown.

I'll have to check out the Pokemon One

And what movie adaption of the Kigo Fanfic? I was definitely not aware of that. Googling brings up nothing.

>>2291044
>And what movie adaption of the Kigo Fanfic?
It's very very indie and small budget. Like for real because it's really, very under radar.
>>2291013
Should that Kigo fic be there? I mean yeah it's potentially when of the better ones but that ending.

>>2291044
Alone, Together, iirc. Honestly, it's not that good, but it's an interesting premise.

Truth and Measure by Telanu is one of the few epic fic I can think of, but it's Devil Wears Prada, so not really y/u/ri

>>2291044
>I mean, it's just the association, there's no way Charlie Brown can be anything other than Charlie Brown.
That's why I like that fic, actually. It's pretty in-character, and written more as a continuation of what happens to the characters as they grow up. Not as a typical yuri story.

and good warcraft fics?

>>2291044
Isn't the only two girls who ever expressed attraction to him growing up to be lesbians about the most Charlie Brown thing imaginable?

>>2290975
One that I would definitely have in my "hall of fame" is Amphierotic Bloodlines (a Harry Potter fic).

>>2292042
Oh hell yes.

Amphierotic Bloodlines and Truth and Measure are probably my two favorite fics, come to think of it. Or at very least, the two that had the most impact on me.

>>2292042
>>2292062
Who's the pairing for Amphierotic? Fleurmione?

>>2292086
Bellatrix/Narcissa.

>>2292088
Goodness. AU or when they're younger?

>>2292092
It follows them as they grow up and generally remains pretty canon-compliant from what I know.

How is proper yuri established within a story?

>>2292241
What exactly do you mean by proper yuri?

>>2292241
Have them discreetly shake each other's boobs.

>>2292042
Sounds like a delightful light read based on the AO3 tags.

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The Neptunia fandom is a mine of shit, this ain't even the worse thing I've found there.

I swear this is the worst fandom for fics I've ever seen.

>>2292241
You mean like how to make characters that aren't canon yuri slowly develop into lesbians in your work?
If it's a short one-off, just pretend they're gay as fuck from the getgo to avoid hamfisted 'development' that's too rushed to work or 10k words of intro for a shortstory.
If it's a longer work and you have time to develop things over multiple full chapters, then just take it slow. Don't pretend that someone's gonna go from "we're good friends" to "oh god please flip my flaps I need your tongue in me" in a single encounter or that a character will necessarily understand or even be aware of their feelings at first. Don't feel the need to narrate a character's reaction to something intimate or potentially relationship-building, especially early on. The reader will read whatever they want into it, and you know if the reader is reading your F/F romansmut, they'll see yuri without you needing to tell them that it was yuri.

At least, that's my take on it.

>>2292912
Why 10k words?
Are you kuugen?

>>2292908
Just read Best Girlfriends Forever and its prequel.
The best thing right now there.

>>2290975
Don't Blink: http://archiveofourown.org/series/20608

I don't watch Glee, and I don't know anything about it, but this still does a really good job of drawing me into the story, and doesn't add too much unnecessary drama.

>>2292994
to be honest, you don't really need to know much about Glee to read most fanfics from that fandom. Glee in itself has a very basic and simplistic premise and all you need to know is how each character looks so you can picture them in your mind while reading, really (I guess that was part of its appeal) . maybe a quick look at its wikipedia page to know a little more about the context of certain character's interactions, but honestly that's something you can get by reading fanfics, anyway.

here's a small list of faberry fics I thoroughly enjoyed

>https://www.fanfiction.net/s/6845910/1/
>https://www.fanfiction.net/s/6810801/1/Deal-with-the-Devil
>https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9525632/1/Immunda-Crux-Crucis
>https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10226805/1/Tripping-on-Stepping-Stones-Falling-with-Grace
>https://www.fanfiction.net/s/6621330/1/Santa-s-Little-Helper
>https://www.fanfiction.net/s/7375980/1/Better-Run-Outrun-My-Gun
>https://www.fanfiction.net/s/7212427/
>http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7949578/1/
>https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10049870/1/
>https://www.fanfiction.net/s/8730271/1/
>https://www.fanfiction.net/s/8045287/1/Rainbow-Bright

>>2292994
>>2293065
I found watching Glee actively detrimental to enjoying anything Glee-related. I got pretty into it when S2 was airing, fics included, but a year+ and a season later I ended up dropping the show for being no doubt the dumbest thing I've ever willingly exposed myself to and I can't stand anything Glee-related nowadays.

It doesn't help that I can't stand when fandoms prefer purely fanon shit to actual canon , but I also couldn't get into the canon /u/ because pairing Brittany with anyone made me progressively more uncomfortable as it went on, so in the end there wasn't much for me there.

>>2289561
Fingering is the best to read about, because the writer can describe the precision and sounds, and fingering has many nuances and permutations.

Cunnilingus is hot to read about, but it's hard for a writer to stretch out beyond a paragraph or two, though there are variations and twists to it.

Scissoring is dull, tribadism is hard to make interesting.

Hand holding, undressing, dressing, objectifying, leering, caressing, manhandling, groping, fondling...all these things can be extremely hot when approached creatively.

>>2292979
I loved the prequel, but I don't like "Best Girlfriends Forever".

>>2293073
This is always funny to me. Why is the leadup to smut always so much better than the smut itself?
I'd read about girls leaning in for that first kiss all goddamn day but once the clothes are off and sex acts are happening, the sexiness just falls away. I don't blame the writers, either, because it seems to happen even with good ones handling scenes well. Maybe it's just me but it always feels easier to get into stuff that teases than anything where the erogenous zones become directly involved.

>>2293184
It's the carrot on a stick thing. If the donkey gets the carrot, the whole thing stops, but the idea of the carrot will keep the whole thing going.

This Worm fic (Heaven and Hell) I read has the MC doing all kinds of lewd things with other girls, but in comparison the few times she actually has sex with them those scenes aren't as sexy as the other lewd things.

>>2293184
I feel the same when writing explicit smut. I love every moment of the buildup and sexual tension that precedes the act. It's an absolute thrill and incredibly fun to write, but writing the sex itself is just a chore.

>>2293288
Don't write the sex then.

>>2293299
I've decided to do that in the future. Now I just have to find more ways to shove sexual tension into my work.

>>2293184
I guess one way to get around it is to pay attention to the characterization. What would sex between these characters be and feel like and a little less anatomy.

I think this KananDiaMari fic does a good job of staying interesting even during the sex because it always feels like you're reading about those specific characters rather than a novelization of a mediocre lesbian porn. (If you don't feel like reading the entire thing, it's in section ix.)
http://archiveofourown.org/works/8277868?view_adult=true

>>2293288
Yeah I've encountered the same. If I set out to write something non-lewd or just teasing, I can finish it in a single sitting. If I try to write a sex scene it takes me like a week. And you know that if you don't enjoy writing it then the majority won't enjoy reading it, so why am I even trying?

>>2293391
>if you don't enjoy writing it then the majority won't enjoy reading it
I've found this to often not be the case. People praise things I hated and couldn't stand writing, and vice versa.

>>2293400
Yeah but someone will always find something to like in your work, no matter how bad it is. A nice comment or two don't really represent much.

In fact, fanfic readers in general are a poor litmus test for the quality of your work since their expectations tend to be low and they're averse to criticizing openly. You really do have to go back and read your own stuff after you've been away from it for a few weeks or so, gotten some distance from it, and try to read and enjoy it as a reader instead of just as a writer checking their work. You'll start to see the weaknesses of your own writing more clearly that way, as well as get a better understanding of what ways of approaching things are more or less enjoyable to read about.

Like, for example, I came to realize how dull my sex scenes were to read by reading them, and slowly began to understand what makes a sex scene dull and how to avoid it. It's hard to improve from work to work if you just cast your junk out to the digital sea and wait for the kudos to trickle in.

>>2293471
I agree with everything you say about improving as a writer, but I also think that just because something feels difficult, unwieldy or plain bad, it isn't always so. At least, not to the extent that it can feel like. Especially for writers who are harshly self-critical, it's sometimes better to just power through the bits that make you feel uncomfortable instead of letting that feeling affect the whole work by halting your progress entirely. Something that might seem like a massive, work-ending issue can go entirely unnoticed by the reader.

>>2293474
Oh I agree there. Self-doubt shouldn't ever be a reason to let yourself abandon a work. Improvements are only something that can happen once you have something written down. A bad work is better than no work at all because at least there's something on the screen to edit.

Having looked up the works I made during my high school years, I've found that surprisingly most of them have a decent premise, though I'll have to thoroughly read them to know for sure just how awful I was at my peak.

Thankfully I found that I deleted the really embarrassing ones that I remember, which I feel would break me if I read them again. Its bad enough that after all this time I can still somewhat remember what happened.

>>2293068
So it's like OUaT and 100?

Speaking of shitty shows with great fan bases, anyone watch Supergirl? I've been getting really into the stories lately, but I'm not sure if it's worth it to watch the actual show.

>>2293288
>>2293073

The leadup has characterization. The sex is just sex, most of the time.

>>2294411
I've heard that season 1 is pretty good, but Mon El is spoiling it for a lot of people who really enjoyed the first season.

>>2294411
>>2294853
I'm a couple weeks behind but S2 has been getting harder and harder to watch. Writers feel like they're unlearning how to write, Mon-El ended up with Kara and is annoying as fuck on top of sorta being a dickbag, and Alex and Maggie's relationship is about as well handled as a limbless man with no teeth could handle a greased pig that was on fire.

Mol El is terrible but i feel that a lot of people are being delulu and get really into shitting on him in favor of a ship that never had any chance in hell of happening.
And let me repeat Mon El is basically Felicity on steroids and with a double dose of terrible forced writing.

>>2294962
God you sound just as bad as him. Only thing you got right is the felicity comparison.

>>2294966
meh

>Mol-El
I don't know a lot about DC, but I've never heard of this kryptonian.

>>2294978
He's a daxamite.
>>2294962
I don't think that most people thought that Supercat or Supercorp were going to happen, but rather thought they just had much better chemistry and were much more fun than the Kara's canon romances.

>>2294978
He is basically a made for tv char, more or less like Curtis from Arrow and Sara from LoT, as in they are aspects of the original characters in them but they aren't the original characters.
In Mol El's case the only thing that links him to the DC character is that he is from Daxam.

Masturbation scenes. Yay or nay?

>>2295959
Depend on what it does for the story.

>>2295959
There's really no simple answer to that. The utility of a masturbation scene depends on how said scene plays out and the events the masturbator is aware of leading up to it, as well as any possible observers and the specifics of the masturbation session.

>>2295959
I'm not a big fan of it

>>2289561
Fingering. Somehow more intimate in a way, and there's a lot more freedom for other actions or descriptions or feelings.

>>2289561
Cunnilingus is gross. Scissoring makes no sense to me. So fingering I guess.

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>>2296396
>Cunnilingus is gross

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Vert x Iffy fics never, why live?

>>2296423
but anon piss comes out of that hole and its dirty down there

>>2296396
>>2296428

How can you say you love a girl if you won't put her genitals in your mouth?

>>2296428
You'd expect someone on /u/ to have a better understanding of female anatomy.

>>2296831
I only just found out this year that milk comes out the the pores of the nipple, not some kind of little hole. I am a very stupid person, but I do not like to think I am the average intelligence on /u/.

>>2296855
....well...I learned something new today.

>>2296855
Do you have boobs though? Because it's significantly more or less understandable depending.

>>2296958
No boobs and I had a very poor childhood education. Don't homeschool your kids, it fucks them up in more ways than one.

>>2296981
tbf, I don't remember learning that in all my years in public schooling either, but you're more likely to come across info about boobs if you have boobs, I assume.

>>2296986
Definitely is one of those things that'll get mentioned more to girls than boys. For boys it just seems to be a basic "here's what the vagina does/is in relation to sex" not how it operates with the body.

>Have an OTP I really love
>Manage to, in one fic, write through the characterization/character arc/relationship/etc. that has drawn me to the characters to a point where I'm satisfied
>Now feel entirely unable to ever write for that couple again, because I don't know where I could go without retreading the same ideas

I don't know whether to be happy or upset about this. It's like a sense of catharsis.

Any of you guys have anything similar happen?

>>2297002
Yeah, but I worked around it by starting a much more serious take on the pairing instead of the comical and lighthearted stuff that I had been writing until then. I get the feeling my current fic will be the last one I do for them, so I'll still have to deal with the problem again later on. Try to look at it from another angle though. If I hadn't started writing for my OTP, I wouldn't be writing at all.

I never noticed how bad the present tense writing that seems to have overtaken both sites until someone here pointed it out and now I can't stop seeing it. Does no one know how to write in past tense anymore?

>>2297004
It's a disturbing trend, isn't it?

I might be pulling this out of my ass, but I blame it on
>Not reading enough actual books
>Blogging/Social Media mindsets: these younger writers are used to writing about what they think/feel/believe/do in a present tense way, and can't separate that personal style from narrative writing.
>Present tense writing being a little bit more "active" and "immediate" than past-tense, and so it's more palatable for the new readers and the new writers.

>>2297004
>>2297006
Hey, at least it's not as bad as writing in second person.

>>2297012
>implying that second person isn't really good for the one thing it's useful for
>implying that first person isn't super fucking shitty in fanfiction

>>2297014
I can't stand second person in any shape, form or purpose. I'll admit first person can be really hit and miss and most fanfic authors treat it the exact same way as they would be writing in third person. All they do is replace the pronouns and it makes for awful reading.

>>2297012
Unpopular opinion, but I honestly don't mind second person - I find it more tolerable than first person, if only because it offers a new kind of perspective and view to certain scenes and tropes that otherwise get seen and written the same way all the time in 1st and 3rd person.

When it's not being used just for self-insertion purposes, 2nd person can be very good,

And as this nee-san wrote >>2297014, 1st person gets all kinds of fucked up in fanfiction. Not worth it, most of the time.

>>2297015
Second person is necessary for any work that has the reader as the protagonist, like choose your own adventure books and the shit that evolved from it in the vidya genre.

>>2297004
Yeah, as someone from the FF.net side of things I've been calling it 'AO3-style', ever since I noticed it a few years back. Now it's on both sites, but there's a lot of distinctive quirks about AO3-style writing, including the whole present tense thing. The best way I can describe it is 'twee'.

>>2297006
Plenty of books are written in present tense, particularly these days. See this piece: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/nov/21/rise-of-the-present-tense-in-fiction-hilary-mantel

>>2297014
What exactly is the purpose of second person if you aren't writing a choose-your-own-adventure book? I always think it makes the story feel clinical and distanced, like I'm listening in on an all-knowing entity telling someone how to feel and act.

>>2297029
>I always think it makes the story feel clinical and distanced
This is something I love, personally. Especially if the story or events are very emotional or stirring - the contrast between clinical, objective distance and intimate human emotion creates a kind of feeling that calls to me.

>>2297029
>What exactly is the purpose of second person if you aren't writing a choose-your-own-adventure book?
Self insert porn oneshots.

I said that there was only one thing it was useful for.

>>2297034
It can be nice, like in this NanoFate fic, which has Fate in a very dark place. It's one of the few fanfics I still remember years later, particularly that last sentence: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/4536259/1/Final-Blow

I'm just not sure if everyone who uses second person realizes that's the effect it has, and wasn't even sure if that's how other people perceive it. It's such a rare technique in mainstream writing it usually isn't covered in writing guides.

>>2297004
First person present is actually rather common in published books, especially YA.

Third person present seems to mostly show up in fanfiction, though I assume it won't be long until it becomes a mainstream thing what with the rise of self-publishing and all.

>>2297004
>>2297006
i didn't even notice how much fic i was reading was in present tense until i sat down to write and then everything came out in present tense.

but it's not just fic, >>2297029 is right in that it comes up in modern books too. it doesn't bother me at all.

>>2297012
i blame homestuck for the rise of this, especially on ao3. used to not bug me, now it does, but only sometimes.

still find that first person causes me to stop reading more often.

>>2297023
there are definite differences. as someone that switched mostly to ao3 due to interface and content, going back to ff.net is jarring a lot of times.

>>2297185
I find ao3 to be just as shitty as ffn, content-wise. Both sites are full of awful fanfics.

>>2297012
>second person
How does that even work?

>>2297203
by content i meant that the series i was reading fic for were more popular on ao3, not content as in quality.

i realize that wasn't clear, my bad.

>>2297213
With the use of "you" and "your" as your pronouns.

Pretty much a one trick pony as far as POVs go. Though I would argue that 1st person is only useful for autobiographies and is equally one-tricked.

>>2297253
If first person was good enough for the Brontes, Mark Twain, Dostoevsky, Nabokov, de Beauvoir and so, so many others, it's good enough for you.

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Does anyone know some good Mugi x Sawako fics? Do they even exist?

>>2296981
I went to a pretty decent public school, in a super rich, very liberal area, with sex ed in 5th, 7th, and 9th grade. I also was never taught that milk doesn't come from some kind of little hole. in the boob.

>>2297253
Wow. Really? I don't like them in fanfic but first person certainly has a wide variety of uses in normal fiction.

>>2296981
I went to a pretty normal American elementary, middle, and high school, and am also a girl. I had no idea boob milk came from pores and not from a little boob hole.

It's not really the kind of thing that's important to know IMO.

>>2297644
it is if one of them gets infected.

>>2297668
If that happens, regardless of whether it's a hole or pores, I'll feel something weird, then go to the doctor and he or she will take care of whatever the problem is.

>>2297711
Unless it's too late. Then you'll find yourself quite asymmetrical. That's why you do regular checkups.

>>2297253
Second Person worked just fine in Bright Lights, Big City.
It's just another tool far too many writers and ignorant would-be critics harp on because they don't have the education or experience to understand how to use it and think writing can be reduced to a series of simple-to-follow rules.

Pick the tense that works best for the story you're trying to tell and understand that you can't please everyone. I wouldn't bat an eye if I scared off readers because I wrote in a perspective they didn't like.

I've written a story in second person that I never published, mostly for my own entertainment. It is definitely a very limited point of view but very easy to write.
First person is always my go to because I like my readers to have a very intimate and almost biased view of the world around them, based on what the lead is experiencing.

>>2298044
Second person works best, I find, for introspective pieces focused on a character's distinct perception of events. It's a style that allows you to get away with more telling than normal because the focus is directly on what the character is thinking. It's like hearing someone have a conversation with themselves.

I suppose most fanfics just use second person as a way to insert the reader, which I guess isn't terrible but it's obvious something like that is going to be gratuitous no matter how it handles its subject.

>>2298145
Interesting. I personally think first person is best for introspective pieces, and second person is best for giving a sense of alienation and a lack of control for the character, because the viewpoint character is referred to as 'you', and thus does not have an 'I' or voice of their own. And the fact that 'you' have no choice in what happens helps with the impression that the viewpoint character lacks agency of their own.

Pores are really just a bunch of tiny holes.

What's your favorite way of increasing sexual tension?

>>2298194
I like reading stuff where there's already an established sexual tension between two characters and things intensify by one (or both) trying to actively avoid taking things farther but can't help it. Like the whole "try not to think about it, try not to think about it, fuck I'm thinking about it." The struggle of self-control really seems to work for some reason.

I love those stories that begin with one character having an awkwardly sexual/romantic dream with another character and then being awkward around them in person because they can't stop thinking about it.

>>2293369
Exactly. If your characters turn into interchangeable sex toys once sex starts, the sex will feel boring.

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>futa fic tagged as F/F

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>>2299011

>>2298984
Well... the futa technically is female in the context of fiction. It's complicated.

>>2300064
>the futa technically is female in the context of fiction. It's complicated.
>It's complicated
Then don't try and rattle off that futa is female, when anonymous can't decide if it's gay.

>>2300090
They pretty much are female in the premise and context of the story. So it is F/F. It's not like real life.

>>2300064
Dick = male, so it's not yuri, that shit should be tagged as F/M

>>2300064
>>2300090
>>2300098
>>2300102
It depends on the exact setup downstairs, but futas are never biologically female and are usually hermaphrodites.

However as far as gender roles and all that jazz go, they are female 99% of the time. The last 1% being them having their own niche in some fictional setting.

>>2300398
Forgot to add this, but in conclusion it means that futa is never /u/ as it is always f/m f/h or h/h.

>>2300399
f/m definitely no

>>2300398
>>2300399
I'm not arguing in favor of futa, but which sites outside of AO3 even have a comprehensive enough tagging system to make a distinction?

>>2300412
We only have 2 fanfic sites anyway

>>2300412
ffnet users are usually courteous enough to mention in the summary that it's futa.

However back to the original complaint, I don't think that AO3 users that label futa fics with f/f are inherently wrong, but they should put it in the tags and maybe use the other tag as well

Was reading some fic in english and suddenlly "nani kore" in the dialog...I'm fine with the honorifics, but random words/sentences in japanese is ridiculous

>>2300432
Fanfics have been littered with stuff like that forever. It's annoying, but at some point you grow numb to it.

There's a direct correlation between better writers and a lack of things like that.

My personal issue is that I don't know how to feel about honorifics. I don't do them myself (though I've been tempted) but I don't hate when I see them.

>>2300423
Ao3 tags it as g!p

>>2300437
I forgive the use of honorifs cause they are a peculiar thing of the japanese language. Even though they can be somewhat translated into things like miss/mister, lady, etc, it still doesn't feel the same.

Now words like nani/hai/yamete can be perfectly translated into english.

>>2300441
it's generally g!p for western shit and futa for eastern shit ime

>>2300448
>I forgive the use of honorifs cause they are a peculiar thing of the japanese language. Even though they can be somewhat translated into things like miss/mister, lady, etc, it still doesn't feel the same.
Agreed - usually I don't do them if only because I know there are people out there who don't like it. I think it's fine to add, if the characters/setting fit it.

>Now words like nani/hai/yamete can be perfectly translated into english.
Also agreed.

>>2300449
Writers on ao3 tend to use both or one. Point is, you can filter it.

>>2300448
>Now words like nani/hai/yamete can be perfectly translated into english
It's even worse when autistic authors start inserting them into the fics based on western fandoms because they sound cool or something... This is an immediate red flag for me.

>>2300437
I'm fine with the basics. Chan, san, kun, and sama. It's better if they're not used, but I've been around anime/manga enough to know them and what they're shorthand for.

>>2300681
Most of the time -san and -chan are necessary to define a character personality, like sometimes I feel weird when a very polite character isn't using -san at all, when I'm used to hear it while watching the show.

>>2300699
Same. And the -chan is better to show when a character is friendly

Is there such a thing as Highbrow/Middlebrow/Lowbrow for fanfiction, or is all fanfiction equally lowbrow?

>>2301036
Competent grammar & spelling alone puts a fic into middlebrow, I think.

What's your opinion on rule 63 fanfic that makes a hetship into a Yuri pairing?

>>2301264
Would not read.

>>2301264
I can dig it as long as the swapped character is written like a girl and not a pronoun-swapped guy. Can't think of any good examples other than Kyon -> Kyonko though

>>2301264
>genderbend

>>2301036
There's certainly degrees of quality, but it really depends on how you define 'highbrow' or not.
>>2301264
I'm with >>2301277
>can dig it as long as the swapped character is written like a girl and not a pronoun-swapped guy.
I'm with you on that, though I don't mind if a genderswapped character comes across as tomboyish or slightly butch, though I just like that stuff in general, which is probably why

>>2301264
Still shit

>>2301264
It's as bad as a faceless male.

>>2301264
Never, unless it's REALLY well done, which I haven't seen yet

>>2301277
That example might actually be the easiest one to justify, even though I don't know which fic you're talking about.

>Haruhi has latent /u/ feelings
>Also has feelings for Kyon
>Reality-bending powers activate
>???
>Profit

>>2301036
As with anything, there's more bad than anything out there. Tons of fics with bad grammar/prose/spelling, and/or boring/cliche plots.

But there are absolutely "highbrow" works out there that are extremely well written, well developed/planned, and wonderfully executed. There's a nice middle ground between the lowbrow and the highbrow too.

You just have to wade through the shit first.

>>2301394
Hmm. But anon complains when gay/bisexual characters are turned straight through the power of the penis. Will she also bitch if a bisexual character is turned full gay? Probably.

>>2301403
I couldn't give less of a shit as to what other nee-san complained about

>>2301264
I've seen non-relationship 2-men 63 done really damn well. So I'm not ruling out general 63 either.
It always depends on how well a story is written. I usually don't know about any fandom anyway, so I'm very rarely prejudiced on characters.

>>2301394
>That example might actually be the easiest one to justify,

Yet the one that's never been used. Or at least not used well at all.

>>2300432
I struggle with this because when i write based on an anime a series I actually enjoy, my perception of the characters is based very closely in what they sound like. I end up planning out the dialogue in my head in japanese and then translating it back to english as I write, which ends up with weird moments where the english equivalent definitely doesn't carry the same attitude and I don't know if the reader will read it the way the character would have said it. It just doesn't feel right in my head to imagine characters speaking in english when everything in canon is obviously not.

It's especially tough when you try to write about a character that uses simple language, one-word answers or has some other particular speech quirk that just doesn't carry over to english. You can't always condense or simplify the same meanings

Is there any way to filter those fics with million different series in AO3?

>>2301394
The problem with things like that is that for me to care about the pairing I'd have to like the guy's character. And if I do (as in the particular example) then I'd see any outside force coming along to forcibly change his sex as a bad thing, and make me dislike the author. I doubt Kyon himself would be happy about it.

I can't think of any male characters I like who would be happy with a forced sex-change of that sort.

In any case, even if I were to find a story like that that I enjoy, I wouldn't consider it yuri or post it here.

>>2302188
>I doubt Kyon himself would be happy about it.
In a sense, it'd fit his character not to be. And that'd be an interesting way to go about writing the fic - how he deals with being a she, how/if he tries to get Haruhi to change him back, how/if he eventually comes to terms with things, etc.

That said, I would agree with just about any other male character rule 63. As you said, it almost would never work.

It just happens to be that I think Kyon could be one of the only exceptions to that, considering his place as a character and the conventions and whatnot used in the series itself.

>>2302188
Yeah, I think gender-bender is more of a self-insert fetish kind of thing. Like I don't know how many people have ever looked at a male character and said "wow, if only they were genderswapped instead, then I'd totally be into them"
I think that's also why most stuff that focuses on genderbending tends to be about OC rather than fanworks unless it's something like haruhi where the protagonist was already a self-insert.

>>2302179
Most of them disappear if you filter out m/m.

>>2302179
i wish. i wonder if the search can be coerced into it somehow.

as a workaround, you can filter out major fandoms which should prune a lot of them. i like using -filter_ids: and specific tag numbers. if you go the fandom's page and hover over the RSS feed option it'll give you the tag number in the URL.

ie: marvel's tag is 7266

somewhat related: since the tumblr post with a big list of tags went down i put the list from there in a pastebin. added the A/B/O tag to it.

https://pastebin.com/6mJpnFR7

Just saw beauty and the beast and spent the majority of time imagining the Beast as a woman. Any fan fics like that out there? (Or fairy tales/Disney retold in general?)

I want violent rivals gradually becoming lovers! Don't care what genre; I can adapt. I just want them to be out for each other's blood.

Got anything?

>>2303033
Kim Possible is the one fandom that is probably your best shot;

>>2303033
>>2303042
If you go for actual KP fics, you might want to dig deep into the fandom. Most of the "newer" stuff happens later in the series' lifespan where the blood lust is less between the two.

>>2303033
>>2303044
Teen titans could also work as well. I think I've read a few Raven/Jinx fics that ought to be sufficient.

>>2303033
overwatch: widowmaker/tracer - some is rivals to lovers, though a lot of stories have a redemption theme which can overwhelm the fic. they also can have tracer too soft for her to really be out for blood or too focused on finding the "goodness" in widowmaker. but some will fit the bill.

person of interest: shaw/root - root does taser shaw and attempts to torture her with an iron in canon, so.

the 100 clarke/lexa if you're ok with stereotypical AUs that preserve the dynamic

>>2303048
>Raven/Jinx

good shit.

>>2303053
Not that anon, but could you recommend me some Overwatch fics? The setting looks extremely promising yuri-wise, but I haven't read anything yet.

>>2303033
this link is a mess but i tried searching ao3 for "enemies to lovers" then pared the results down with "-m/m" and "-m/f". also only included works marked as complete.

https://archiveofourown.org/works?utf8=%E2%9C%93&work_search%5Bsort_column%5D=revised_at&work_search%5Bcategory_ids%5D%5B%5D=116&work_search%5Bother_tag_names%5D=&work_search%5Bquery%5D=-%22m%2Fm%22+-%22m%2Ff%22&work_search%5Blanguage_id%5D=&work_search%5Bcomplete%5D=0&work_search%5Bcomplete%5D=1&commit=Sort+and+Filter&tag_id=Enemies+to+Friends+to+Lovers


also try attack on titan: annie/mikasa, marvel: natasha romanov/maria hill

>>2303054
what kind of fics do you like? angst, fluff, sprawling AUs or 5k oneshots? unfortunately i haven't really kept up with them since december.

i can get you a list tomorrow but for now since a lot of them are on ao3, sorting F/F fics by hits or kudos and ticking the complete ones should provide a start. watch for futa.

there's a few out there that i followed and dropped that are past 100k words now.

>>2303061
Anything goes, just something you consider your personal top 5 for this fandom. I'm always idling in the fanfiction threads, so no rush.

>>2301036
I can't define them in any sort of objective way, but I've definitely read fanfics before whose quality was up there with real, published books, and others where I'm not sure whether or not the author ever graduated middle school.

Shit like writing out full paragraphs, describing things in detail, and especially having realistic dialogue all make a fic more "highbrow" to me.

>>2301264
I can't recall any genderswapped fics I actually like off the top of my head, but I'm not opposed to them on principle. I'd prefer the fic just be het though, and not bother changing the characters for the sake of F/F.

>>2303650
To be honest, I'm sure there are no shortage of professional authors with published novels who continue to write fanfiction on the side as a hobby. It's not as though the two are mutually exclusive, and I'm sure a lot of people who end up as published authors still retain strong connections to the fan communities they were a part of beforehand. Fanfiction in general is a great way to find the passion in writing and motivation to improve that helps someone eventually make a career out of it.

>>2303033
Ouat's main pairing starts out at eachother's throats in the show, and a lot of earlier stories keep that plot point.

>>2303655
Lit criticism is going to become so weird in a few decades when someone discovers the next David Foster Wallace's 200k Supernatural ABO fic and writes a detailed analysis.

>>2303692
Like for the past thousand years, literary criticism will just deliberately ignore anything that doesn't dance to the beat of their drum. At best, there'll be a footnote in history on the author's bio long after they're deceased that offhandedly mentions their prolific fetish works. An author's relevance begins and ends with their contribution to literary canon. Everything else just gets pared away or left as a bit of a curiosity for anyone that cares enough to dig that deep.

>>2303042
I've read the fandom to death.

>>2303048
Looking at Raven/Jinx. Thanks!

>>2303053
The 100 could have been so much better than it was. 99% of fics have Clarke rolling over even after almost getting murdered, so no. Can't stand it.

>>2303063
i'm out of the loop with current fics, and looking back on now, it for the amount of overwatch stories i read a disappointingly small amount of them actually stuck in my head. imo overwatch's greatest asset is the sheer diversity of dynamics it facilitates. enemies to lovers, muscle girls, even age gap.

my memory might be off on some of these.

>SectoBoss, London Calling:
http://archiveofourown.org/works/7443724/chapters/16911730

probably my favorite. more driven by story/action than romance.

>Mizu7, Fly on the Wall:
https://archiveofourown.org/works/7129859

good, but the final dramatic moment might have been a bit much.

>hundredhanded, Messenger:
https://archiveofourown.org/works/7924606

incomplete. not personally up to date on it, but i remember it being enjoyable.

>caesurae, Equilibrium
https://archiveofourown.org/works/7647619

really low on the actual romance, but i like it.

>LogosMinusPity, Give an Inch, Run a Mile
https://archiveofourown.org/works/8317900

i remember it being comfy.

i like most other works by these authors as well. for things i wouldn't suggest, The Demoted is absurdly grimdark and dramatic. i read some of Along Came a Spider and didn't like widow's characterization. the story also made me lose interest. there's a lot of other things out there that i haven't read but are recommended. i might make a list of those. i'm more likely to make a list of porn.

>>2303747
>The 100 could have been so much better than it was. 99% of fics have Clarke rolling over even after almost getting murdered, so no. Can't stand it.

absolutely agree. there is so much potential for their dynamic that usually gets ignored. the most popular fics are like a collection of f/f romance novel genres, tropes and futa. it's weird.

>>2303698
Come on, there's plenty of analysis of Joyce's bizarre fetish letters.

>>2303865
Thanks a lot senpai

>>2303865
I don't even mind the futa, but Clarke forgiving Lexa for all that shit like it was nothing is just terrible.

The Arc people forgiving the Grounders is just as bad. What the fuck do the writers think real humans act like?

>>2303878
np homie.

>>2304237
>What the fuck do the writers think real humans act like?

maybe they draw on their own experiences of being mentally retarded. the 100 is wholly disappointing in the worst way, but this ain't the thread for it, unless you want to talk more about the fics it spawned.

>>2304237
>What the fuck do the writers think real humans act like?

Drama sells, because drama is deep. The more dramatic the drama, the deeper it is. And if you don't appreciate its deepness, you're just not getting it. Criticism is dead, too.

>>2304638
It's not drama, though. It's anti-drama.

If they wanted drama they should have done a love/hate relationship between Clarke and Lexa in the middle of a Grounder/Arc war.

what's one piece of writing advice that's influenced you, neesans?

i wish i had the lj comment saved, but there was a writer describing how large, complex and specific words stuck out while smaller ones were more versatile and could be repeated more often. i'm describing this horribly, but they had a really good metaphor for it.

that's always in the back of my mind.

>>2305103
Speaking of "repeat", here's a very basic advice/rule/whatever:

Make sure all your sentences in a paragraph start with a different word. Nothing screams amateur like multiple instances of "She..." all in the same paragraph.

There are exceptions to this obviously, like say you're doing it on purpose in order to create a tense scene or something dramatic.

>>2305103
Having spent years reading up on advice before I finally mustered up the courage to get started writing, I've found that most - if not all - writing advice is contradictory and can be misunderstood very easily. The only bits of advice that have truly stuck with me have been to write more and not to be afraid of fucking up. Neither of those have much to do with what I write.

>>2305103
Write more. Finish your stories.

Observe what you read and why it works on you, then reverse-engineer the techniques and prose in order to use them yourself.

>>2305103
Editing in general made a big difference on how I write. Originally I struggled to get things done because I would agonize over each line and bit of wordchoice as I write, insisting in my head that it HAD to be perfect before I could move on. Learning proper approaches to editing helped change that. Now, I just let my writing flow entirely as stream-of-consciousness, complete with all the spelling errors and repetition of stupid words and all that other trash. I finish and it reads horribly, like something out of a gradeschooler's diary, but it's finished. Then I can actually sit down and worry about all the little details like using better descriptive words, arranging sentences and paragraphs better, adding necessary details and trimming useless ones and generally turning it into acceptable work. Any more, 90% of my time spent writing is in the editing, and I get much more work done much faster because I don't let concerns for quality or flow get in the way of actually getting words on paper. It turns out that it's much easier to edit a bad story into a good one than sit down and write a good one, faster too.

>>2305103
>what's one piece of writing advice that's influenced you, neesans?

I have two.

The first is something I read back in high school from Mark Twain. It went something along the lines of:
>Replace every "very" in your work with the word "damn" - a good editor will get rid of it all, and your story will be better for it.

The second was about putting something down after you finish writing it and then going back to it a few days later to revise and edit. Stepping away from the work for a while helps you be more objective.

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Would it be difficult to write a story including a background character that literally has no name? I would imagine that using pronouns constantly would get annoying, unless she was given a stand-in name like Girl-chan.

>>2306451
You could name her after a distinctive feature of hers. Blue hair, spiky hair, clothing, three legs, stuff like that.

>>2306451
If she's mentioned often enough for this to be a problem, she deserves to have her own name.

>>2306451
Why don't you want to give her a name?

>>2307036
The show never gave her one and I didn't create her.

>>2307234
I totally understand your struggle here. I want to write a RemiSaku fic that follows Sakuya before she meets Remilia, but canon is that Remi gave Sakuya her name, and I really don't want to make up a fanon prior name for a canon character. Dunno a good solution besides pronouns-only...

>>2307409
>>2306451
Not a perfect solution, but you can always change up the narrator. Make it third person omniscient and include the audience.

>Our protagonist/hero/etc. did [such and such]
>We see the girl/her/etc. [rest of sentence]

And then try and write the prose in a way where you don't have to refer to her much, I guess.

>>2307234
You could go the route of The Road (McCarthy), and just call her "The girl". Or you can just give her a canon-compliant name. Is it that important to the story that she remains nameless, or are you just unwilling to name her?

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>>2308083
> Is it that important to the story that she remains nameless
Not at all, I just thought people would find it weird or confusing if I just named her out of the blue. I abhor self-insert OCs so that's probably why I feel squeamish about it, even though she's just an unnamed extra. But a canon-compliant name might a better route than pronouns everywhere. Thanks.

So anyone got any recommendations for /u/ compliant fics that involve crossovers and/or heavy deviations from the main canon plot that aren't totally disconnected from the canon like the usual coffeeshop AUs and such?

>>2307409
By far the least obtrusive way to avoid naming the narrator is to write in first person (if that works for your story).

>>2308416
https://archiveofourown.org/works/5752954/chapters/13255552

The White Queen Running might be something close to what you're looking for. It's a 100 fic (first in a series of planned fics) where Clarke gets thrown into an significantly alternate universe. It replaces the technology based reincarnation mechanic from the show with actual souls and a significant portion of the plot is driven by various spiritualism/rituals.

To be fair my enjoyment of it might be influenced by the fact that it's a rather interesting premise in a fandom choked by A/B/O, Girl!Penis and shitty modern AU fics.

>>2308503
I've never watched the show and by the time I heard about it, the shit that pissed off literally everyone had happened and I decided to not get into it. So I don't really know fuckall about the show aside from people wanting to crucify the writers for pointlessly killing off a character.

can't say that I'm really all that opposed to a/b/o and girldicks though, but I like /d/ as well as /u/ and really only post here because I like plot and warm fuzzy feeling and talking about the shit i like that has threads here

>>2308504
I'm not sure if the character in an alternate universe nature of The White Queen Running would help or hurt jumping into it without having seen the source material.

I'm don't know if it's the type of AU you are looking for but Cobray's Frozen stuff is pretty enjoyable.
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10520321/1/And-I-Saw-the-Beast-upon-a-Cold-World
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10691479/1/Queens

Queens is a modern politics AU, but, there's something about it that raises it above the usual coffeeshop AU drek. I really like it.

The Swan Hood and the Evil Queen series by Coalitiongirl might also be of interest. https://archiveofourown.org/series/209045. It basically redoes Once Upon a Time with Emma being the same age as Snow White and Prince Charming and basically stealing the role of Robin Hood.

[Spoiler]To be completely honest I'm actually not all that opposed to a/b/o and Girl!Penis stuff myself either. It's more I'm of the opinion that those sub-genre's are severely over saturated in the 100 fandom which has been annoying me lately.

That being said if you're into that soft of stuff https://archiveofourown.org/users/Blackrising/ has some really good stuff in that genre.

The Lion of the Mountain https://archiveofourown.org/works/8673469/chapters/19883686 might also fulfill your AU request. It's an A/B/O villain swap Izetta the Last Witch fic where Ortfiné is aiming to conquer all of Europe.[/Spoiler]

>>2308596
>that spoiler
You tried

>>2308416
https://archiveofourown.org/works/864779/chapters/1658749

>>2308641
That one's well-written and smart, but I dropped it when they just wouldn't leave on their secret mission, no matter how many chapters I was in.

I hope all these people who write shitty self-insert/OC will see the light and change one day. Back when I was 12 I read this kind of shit, but then I learned about yuri and changed.

>>2308655
that's exactly why i dropped it too.

>>2308416
A short, but decent, crossover between Supergirl and OUaT. Not much plot, but easily cannon complaint for both shows: http://archiveofourown.org/works/8660902/chapters/19856965

>>2308641
holy shit that was actually really good. i didn't expect that. thanks for the recc and associated orgasms

>>2309118
>mfw it takes me a week to get through a "book" that size

Then again, I have longer with one book at a time.

>>2309444
>longer

Longer enjoyment, that is.

>>2309444
>mfw it takes me an afternoon and so i run out of books in days

then again there are always more books.

being a fast reader is convenient but never having stuff to read is hell

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I hate this thing about me, but if I read an wondeful fanfic, but later find that the same author also writes futa, it's instant turn off and loss of respect. I can never look at their non-futa fics the same way again

>>2311077
How come? I'm more bothered by authors who also write het than futa desu. Not bothered enough not to still read their f/f though.

>>2311084
Well, I guess I'd be bothered if they wrote het too, but I happen to see more futa fics because they show up in the yuri tags.

>>2311077
>>2311089
What author?

Also you can filter out various futa tags usually.

>>2311140
I won't say his name cause it might make things awkward here. How do I filter tags?

Let's settle it now. Which site is better to use: FF.net or AO3?

>>2311077
I can partially understand dropping them but why the loss of respect?

>>2311077
Why is that? Would you be as bothered if the author wrote yuri under one name and futa under a different identity?

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>Character has a coming-out in front of all her friends
stop doing this, it's cringy as fuck

>>2311793
Or when all the other characters spend the whole time fawning over the main pairing. It's okay if they are supportive, but some authors turn the characters into fangirls

>>2311793
What exactly is wrong with this?

>>2311793
Friends are not an issue, the problem is the moment when they're telling their parents.

>>2311332
depends on your definition of "better to use". are you asking as a reader or a writer? the answer will vary with fandom and personal web design preference.

i prefer ao3. other anons like ff.net.

both have their strengths and weaknesses.

>>2311332
Ao3 doesn't have shitty ads that fuck with my ability to browse the site on my tablet when I'm dicking around during my free time at school, has a much better tagging system, and is general better for newer shit.

That said, ffnet has far more shit for the older fandoms.

>>2312051
>he problem is the moment when they're telling their parents.
How?

>>2311793
>>2312051
I feel like it's more of a "is this appropriate for the particular story as well as the characters the fic is about and the setting it is set i" question. Though a badly written scene will always be a badly written scene, regardless of how well it fits or does fit in the narrative.

Also sufficiently long fics should have interactions between the couple and other people, particularly friends and family. How those interactions go is obviously up to the characters of those characters as well as how the author wants to play things.

>>2312073
i know ff.net has an app, not sure if it has ads.

firefox mobile + ublock origin might work as well.

I feel like I haven't read a fanfic that really grabbed and consumed me in ages. Maybe I'm just growing out of fanfiction. It kind of sucks.

>>2312500
It's just that this shit is even rarer than a good f/f book. You've just read it all.

>>2312500
I sometimes feel like that, but then I come across something that grabs me all over again and makes me forget how the canon actually went.

>>2312500
It's just your standards getting higher as you consume more media, come across more actually half-decent shit, finally get tired of the same old tropes and scenes showing up again and again across fandoms and media, etc. There's no turning back. I'm sorry.

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>>2312526
Sounds like anon has turned into an elegant yet jaded oneesama. I guess it's time to buy a pipe and reminisce about the good old days.

>>2312559
To me it's more fanfics have always been shit. There's like two decent-length good yuri fanfics running at any given time even if you look at every single fandom with decent /u/ presence out there, maybe a handful of decent ones, and then a couple dozen 'meh' ones. When you first start reading this shit you have low standards because you don't have the experience with fanfic stuff, probably you're still a teen which means terrible shit still has appeal (I should know, I was a teenager), especially romance-related stuff because teenagers are awful at romance, etc. And so bad fics seem 'good enough' and the meh fics seem good and you're having a grand old time reading tons of shit. But then you actually get some experience both in reading fics and in real life and start to realize what makes for poor writing in various ways. This fic reads like a particularly clumsy translation from another language, this fic has zero original ideas, this fic relies far too much on terrible humor, this fic isn't remotely coherent, this fic has terribly executed drama, etc etc etc. And eventually even the handful of decent fics out there become 'not good enough' and you don't know where the two good ones are because you're not following the shit people are writing about any more anyway.

Well, I'm just talking about my own experiences though. Honestly, these days I browse these threads more for the vain hope that some day a fic I really like will come along again. I'm cursed in that I can't be bothered reading short fics too, if it's not a novel-length thing I just skip it. So from my hey-day of cluttered bookmarks folders I could barely keep track of full of fanfiction, at the moment I only have two fics left I follow. One is Inter Nos which I probably won't even like that much if I try to read it now, but it doesn't matter since it's not updated in like 18 months anyway. The other's five months dead and I'm not even THAT invested in it.

>>2312592
I know that feeling very well. It's the reason why I write instead of looking for fanfic. I only really go looking for fics to read so I can steal ideas and scenes to use in my own work. It's hard to feel excited enough for a pairing and anime/game/whatever to shift through the awful stuff in hopes of finding well written fanfic that matches my taste.

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>>2312592
Honestly, I don't think I've read more than a dozen fanfics, and I've never read a novel-length one. And those were only if they involved a favorite pairing. Even the descriptions of most fanfics are so cringey that I back away immediately. And even if one looks good at first glance, it usually devolves into edgelord and drama within seconds. But I'm super picky and I won't read anything with original character/author self-insert or AU because I feel the author is just being lazy and not bothering to work within the source material. I'm sure that's almost never the case and there's probably lots of well-written stuff like that, but I can't even get over my own prejudices long enough to read them.

>>2312592
It's less that fanfics have always been shit and more that it's always been far easier to read shitty fanfiction than to read shitty novels. All forms of art are equally shitty, the internet just made it easier for shitty artists to show off their shitty work and that shitty works just happens to be fanworks.

>>2312500
Same. And the good ones I find are on-going, never update or abandoned

>>2312500
growing out of shit sucks man. there's a handful of good fics out there but eventually your tolerance decreases and you get tired of reading the same shit over and over again. i go through cycles of binging and then completely ignoring it.

the fandom i follow wasn't producing anything i found interesting enough to follow regularly so i stopped checking as often. i tried to fill the void with f/f books but i dislike the writing in so many of them it's almost a lost cause.

instead i've been pushing myself to read more nonfiction. i've also been socializing a lot which eats fanfic reading time.

still, while i'm in bed, sometimes i end up scrolling through ao3 for a few minutes before losing interest and dozing off.

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https://archiveofourown.org/works/9288356

>>2312500
I try to rotate between different forms of media and genres to keep things fresh and interesting: anime, games, fanfics, "serious" books, romance, sci-fi, drama. Don't stay focused on a single thing to avoid burnout.

That said, I'm having a hard time getting into new fandoms in the last few years. Maybe I'm just getting older... On the other hand, there's still more stuff getting written and filmed that any single person has time to consume, so pick up whatever best suits your interests.

>>2312955
Cute.

Four days off and only two pages written to show for it.
feels bad man

>>2313568
I mean you wrote something, that's more than most of us have ever done.

I've been wanting to write shit but I just can't get into it as I really only did good writing under pressure for a grade and just find it too easy to otherwise distract myself. That and I kinda hate myself and am kinda afraid of feedback

Ao3 has the option to search by pairing, and to search multiple fandoms for a broad tag like F/F or Domestic Fluff, and exclude shit you don't like, like soulmates or futa. FF.net is older and has more stuff. FF.Net is probably better if you're not looking for a specific pairing, or if you like all of the most popular pairings for a series. Ao3 is better if you're looking for non-cannon pairings.

>>2313789
how do I filter out futa if the asshole author tagged it as f/f?

>>2313790
Forget it, I found how do do it

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Looking for good Mabifica fanfics

New Thread?
We are on page 10.

Some nice girls und panzer fics have come out recently. I did post them in the GUP thread, should I link to them here?

>>2319735
As a general rule, it is preferred that fics get posted in their source material's dedicated thread (or an appropriate thread that covers a genre or medium) should there be one.

>>2319807
So would fics concerning mmpr reboot go here or in la thread?

>>2319958
I have no clue what either of those things are

>>2319807
Fics have been posted here before and no-one seems to mind. I would prefer if it stayed that way.

>>2319807
That's not exactly done. Usually fics only surface in dedicated threads when asked about.

>>2319958
>>2319962
took me a sec to get it, but anon is talking about the mighty morphin power rangers reboot and the live action thread.

you'd probably get a better reception in the thread, since it's come up there, albeit anons mostly dismissed it because there's barely anything there /u/-wise. thread is also about to die.

Do you guys also read japanese fics using google translate?

>>2320193
Although that method would propably produce better English grammar than what the majority of fanfic writers are capable of, I've decided to give it a pass.

>>2320198
Savage

>>2320198
10/10

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>>2320198

Anyway
Girls & Panzer
Darjeeling x Kay, with a side of Rosehip x Assam and another side of Shiho x Chiyo, they're the MILFs
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12289430/1/Tea-and-Cola
http://archiveofourown.org/works/9049297/chapters/20588845

Same setting, same timeframe, different characters (villain's side)
Maho x Miho, with a side of Mako x Sodoko and probably more side dishes later
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12459381/1/Eisenkreuz-Imouto
http://archiveofourown.org/works/10703487
Warning: 5-10% of the dialogue of Eisenkreuz is in german because the setting works like that. Since someone already thought it's google translate, it isn't.