Hibike Euphonium Thread

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Summary of this long episode
>Reina going to school and home with Kumiko
>Nozomi x Mizori are great
>Yuuko flirting with other girls
>Reina invited Kumiko to a date, she even say DAITU
>they go to a festival
>super handholding
>Shoes appear last than 10 sec
is happening!

I don't even care anymore if it's all just yuribait - the girls and the two pairings I like are enough for me.

Sorry, I was going to make a thread so the OP wasn't quite pure cancer, but I got caught up in the show. Look past the idiot and it may be worth checking out, though.

My main yuri bellwether going in was how the festival invitation was adapted, and it was kind of hard to read, which is probably going to be a theme this season if they keep trying to have their cake and eat it.

In the novel, when Reina invites Kumiko, Kumiko passive-aggressively tsuns about how Shuuichi didn't invite her and gets teased about it. If they kept that, I'd assume they were just resetting to the novel relationship status and give up. In the episode, that was replaced with a brief awkward encounter at the festival itself in which Reina shoos him off. Like her smile at the festival, you can either read that as possessiveness or her knowing that Kumiko is hiding how she really feels. The fireworks scenes and accompanying narration and dialogue are pretty intense, too, and I *think* expanded quite a bit from the novel scene.

In short, it's probably going to be more of the ambiguous almost-but-not-quite of the first season; I'm not expecting a reset on Shuuichi at this point, at least. And there's the old and new beta couples, too, if that's your thing.

There's too many flags it's just bait. I'm glad I avoided S1. I'll just wait until it's over and then check it out if it's legit. If it's not I'll still feel bad for /u/ anons

>>2157201
I followed season one as it aired and it was hell. It's awful to watch something that could with one scene either be the best yuri series ever made or the most infuriating baiting in the history of the medium. I'll leave watching this season to the sturdier oneesamatachi.

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>>2157202
At least they only waited one episode to bait and switch. Remember this?

>>2157202
>>2157201
>>2157206
hater pls leave, you already complaying in other threads

>>2157207
>>/allkpop/

>>2157206
The thing is, Reina liking Taki wasn't definite proof of Kumiko and Reina's relationship being platonic; one person can like men and women, and even two people at the same time. Their subsequent interactions were even gayer than the festival date. That's why I'm still anxious.

>>2157212
The other problem was that Kumiko started going out with Shuichi in the novel.

>>2157213
Yeah, but then the anime de-romanced their relationship, which was then confirmed by someone from KyoAni in an interview.

>>2157278
>we can bait harder

KyoAni should just explode.

If just they'd put the same effort in animating real yuri and not creating the yuriest scenes ever only to remember everyone that one of them likes a man. And probably by the end of the series the other one will like a boy as well, despite everytime she sees him looks like she saw a shit on her shoe. So mad for all that wasted potential. Creating such beautiful scenes only to ruin them all with just a phrase. So mad.

>>2157304
Kyoani will never go full yuri.

I've already accepted that. I just watch for the subtext.

>>2157278
So incredibly gay I felt my face flushing.
KyoAni is a wicked studio.

>>2157307
It wouldn't be a problem if it was subtext. The problem is the girls are straight and they said it but KyoAni keeps baiting with those "adolescence" scenes anyway.

>>2157307
>Kyoani will never go full yuri.

Chu2.

>>2157328
This, unless Yamada is pulling off the most beautiful trolling creator move since Bryan Fuller swore there was nothing gay about Will and Hannibal.

>>2157329
They didn't go beyond the bait there either.

>>2157332
There was a stalker lesbo that licks ears but other than that you're right.

>>2157332
I don't think it's reasonable to call Dekomori/Nibutani bait when it's obvious they have feelings for each other and it's frequently commented on by the other characters. It's just yet another anime romance that's left hanging, much like how the hetero leads never kiss.

>>2157289
>>2157307
>>2157328

Still complaying? read the op
western thread are peacefull, leave this thread

>>2157337
p. much

I'm honestly tired of getting baited like this, it's not even funny. I already dropped it and Kyoani isn't getting a single penny of me for all this amount of bait.

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Ignored the Haters
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>>2157337
Did they start dating? Because the het leads surely did. Just recognize that everything yuri about KyoAni is all just bait and move on.

So is there anything that indicates Kumiko does think about Shoe and his festival invitation?

Calling everyone that refuses to be baited a hater is literally being a hater

>>2157364
I firmly believe they will start dating in-universe at some point in the future. However, I also firmly believe that had Kyoani created an infinite number of series of Chuu2, following the cast until they were living in an old people's home, Nibutani would still be following Deko around trying to brain her with her walking stick and the greatest allusion to their relationship would be the fact that off-screen they share the same apartment and blush whenever anyone points it out.

I wonder how far KyoAni will go. Will they actually adapt the het, or just tone down the het and treat it as happening offscreen, or go full yuri?

It would be an interesting marketing idea to have light novels for het demographic, anime for yuri demographic, cornering both markets at the same time.

>>2157278
I love how she started blushing after she looked at Reina.

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What do you see /u/? I only see adolescence.

>>2157433
I see both adolescence and yuri.

>>2157435
Adolescent yuri?

>>2157439
Adolescent lesbian doing yuri.

>>2157278
OMG they're so cute together

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>>2157370
>being content with such shitty pandering

>>2157447
It showed legit development betwen them, "pandering" is more like groping breasts or some other stupid fanservice shit, so it wasn't pandering.

>>2157449
It's still cheap bait. Your ship will never be canon and you know it.

>>2157453
It already is, so it's not bait.

>>2157447
I can't see anywhere in that post where I said I was /happy/ about it.

>>2157278
At that moment my heart started beating fast. I've finished the episode right now and I'm still emotional about it. Honestly, this first episode was gayer than I imagined it would be. It was surprising.

You're all just setting yourselves upbfor suffering when this ends.

>>2157474
Bah, I'm watching too many yuri show this season, this is a side dish, if it ends well, then it's good, if it doesn't, it's also okay, I have more things.

>>2157364
The same stuff does happen with het in anime. Consider something like Another, in which the (rather nice) het couple is implied, but never get together on screen. I wouldn't call that baiting the het romance fans.

>>2157372
>full yuri
0% chance, that will cost sales
>adapt the het
50%
>tone it down but obviously still there
50%
You are getting your het end either way

>>2157494
What about all the KumiRei fans that formed since the first season? They can buy it.

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>>2157494
Wrong, wrong, even if you remove KumiRei still had MizoNozo who is legit, and other character like the OP.
hope next week you complaying people leave.

The amount of people who completely ignore all the Reina and sensei part like it wasn't even there is astonishing. I'd like to have the same ability of yours of deleting hetshit from my animu.

>>2157514
The age gap helps.

I mean, even Kumiko knows and she still longed for Reina in the festival today.

I don't care if KumiRei is never confirmed so long as Kumishu is also not confirmed.

The ambiguity is better than full on "no".

Plus, the "I'll be a villain for you" scene in ep 11 is the most romantic thing ever

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>>2157453
>It's still cheap bait. Your ship will never be canon and you know it.
>ship will never be canon

do you even know where you are?

>>2157520
C U T E

>>2157514
>age gap
>teacher student prohibited
>he's shown 0 romantic interest in her
>crush is pretty much never brought up again

>>2157514
It's easier to ignore sensei because he obviously doesn't see Reina that way, and we already know the relationship goes nowhere in the novels.
Shuuichi has always been the real threat and we just can't know for sure until the series ends. I know there's that interview saying they aren't doing any romance with him in the anime but I don't trust it. Kyoani is going to fuck us over again.

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>>2157278
>Look at the way she sucks that straw
>God I want to fuck her

You know, when I heard that there was a flashback of Shoe asking Kumiko to go the the festival with him and Reina was talking about it, I thought it was more passive-aggressive hints for het development. That is until I actually watch the episode and those moments does not even show any significant reactions from Kumiko.

I mean if KyoAni is going to make it end with Shoe and Kumiko they're doing a god awful job at setting it up. Everything seems to be pushing him away and making Reina the one who captures Kumiko's interest the most. In Tamako Market at least Midori never looked like she had a chance, and Mochizou actually has significant screentime and interaction with Tamako. Even though Tamako was pretty much aromantic in the series, her feelings in the movoe doesn't seem like an ass pull because she and the show never ignored Mochizou. If they are aiming for a het end this is not a good way to lead to it at all.

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Less arguing over bait, more posting cute fanart.

At the moment neither side is confirmed, and they decided not to even give Shoe his festival invitation scene. At the very least, we're safe for now.

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>>2157559

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>>2157564

I'm surprised this fandom has so many fanfics. Yuyuyu and Gakkou Gurashi were considered hits but have like less than 10 fanfics each. Hibike Euphonium did decently and has over 100.

>>2157567
KyoAni series are always on a completely different level to any other hit, because KyoAni is practically a mainstream studio.

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>>2157567
>Kyoani
>Ever not popular
Though they are my favorite studio, so who am I to talk?
Also, the amount of baiting really gets people going - they want to write what we aren't being shown. It's the same reason why really ecchi shows tend to get few doujin in comparison to more tame shows, which can get a lot of doujinshi; fanartists want to express what the show isn't - so if the show is full of ecchi, the fanartists don't need to do it.

That's why I've written Hibike fanfics, anyway

>>2157570

Fandoms work in weird ways. I have seen extremely popular series with almost no fanworks and niche ones with a lot of fan material.

>Yuki Yuna Is A Hero was considered quite a hit and even got a dub quickly but the fan production is low, at least in the west.
>Lots of posts on Tumblr
>pretty good much no AMVs, fanfics, or non-Japanese fanart

>Sound Euphonium was considered a hit, but from my personal experience wasn't that big (just successful)
>The Tumblr fandom is actually pretty.. average sized
>fanfics and AMVs everywhere, even seen it in MEPs

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It's hard to explain why, but Kumiko might be my favorite female protagonist ever.

She feels very real, for lack of a better term. She's insecure, always conflicted, rarely ever says the right thing, doesn't always succeed when she thinks she's doing something good, and she has something of an attitude issue - but she's also kind and wants to improve herself.

She's just the best.

>>2157207
If you call that hating then you probably haven't check the other threads on this anime.

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>>2157555
trips confirmed

But yeah, I believe KyoAni is doing a piss poor job at hiding the obvious bait, considering they probably want to take the het route and are giving screentime and emotional moments to Reina instead of Shoe

>>2157158
Is it wrong if I like the relationship those two share more than the one between Kumiko and Reina?

>>2157642
I think they are aiming for a romance-less ending. If anything it'll be like Tamako again where the het hits in the movie, if it ever gets a movie. However for Hibike, Shoe is too irrelevant for that to happen. For Tamako least Mochizou had a fair share of screen time and was always the one fans preferred to be with Tamako. I'm guessing that they'll go for a soulmate ending with little mention of the guys, at least for Shoe. Taki might or might not be involved, maybe not because student-teacher is an icky territory.

We will have more idea of this the more the season go on. Apparently Reina becomes a Taki stalker in the second novel, which is what this season is based on. So far they've at least altered the Kumiko/Shoe part at the festival, and I honestly think Reina's crush on him feels more like an idol worship kind of thing. We'll see I guess.

>>2157627
Also this artist is awesome. It seems that they prefer the idea of top!Reina and bottom!Kumiko.

>>2157648
Why would it be wrong?

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>>2157648
Not at all.

The problem is the relative lack of fics or pics with Natsuki and Yuuko.

>>2157654
>and I honestly think Reina's crush on him feels more like an idol worship kind of thing
That's how I always interpreted it and how I wrote it once in a fanfic. - she grew up watching this guy do what he did well, and she was inspired. Over time, that kind of admiration and respect must've felt like a crush, but wasn't

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Friendly reminder that KyoAni inexplicably shortened the length of Reina's crush on Taki from elementary school to middle.

What I don't get is why can't we all accept that KyoAni is baiting, that they will never go full canon /u/ and may or may not pull a hetshit end at end AND yet in spite of all that to still be able to ship whatever the fuck we want and peacefully have threads here if we have plenty of content to back them up with? I mean it's not like it's never happened before or never happens on this board. Canon /u/ is pretty rare anyway.

>>2157654
>if it ever gets a movie
It got a movie, if I recall.

>>2157657
Well Kumiko and Reina have more exposure and are the main duo of the story so I feel kind of sad for wanting to ditch those two.
I just wish Natsuki and Ribbon had as much development as them.
Let's hope this new season will deliver.

>>2157665
It was just a recap of what happened in the first season.

>>2157666
>I just wish Natsuki and Ribbon had as much development as them.

They should considering how much connections they have with the fallout second years

>>2157666
I don't understand this kind of thinking. You just need to enjoy what you like, Onee-sama.

How come the first episode of season two is so long?

Tell me more about this "thing" Nozomi and Mizore seem to have going on 'cause s2e1 got me interested in them

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>>2157742
this is a preview screen from episode 2

Basically Nozomi is Madoka and Mizore is Homura. And then Nozomi ditched her for reasons not explained yet to Mizore and this sends MIzore into that panic state you see whenever Nozomi comes near her.

>>2157755
Oh my. So I didn't really care about it until now, but I'm hearing S2 will focus on those two and some Natsuki/Yuuko and third years angst on the side? Because that would be great. I'd be more than okay with less Kumiko/Reina baiting and more of all of the other pairs with real /u/ potential.

I kind of wanted to hate this anime, but I can't. Bait aside, is a great show...

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This season 2 doodle has Kumiko wearing the flower pin Shu gave her

Can't wait for Kumikos confession to Asuka

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>>2157775
i hope this doesn't mean anything

>>2157852
Just accept the truth and move on

>>2157693
It happened sometimes. The 1st ep of Fate/Zero anime and Re:Zero also 1 hour long.

>>2157693
First season so good so they just did.

>>2157852
If doesn't, is not the first time she usin a spin
>>2157858
don't tell us what to do

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Dat Reina v2.0 though

>>2157862
>If doesn't, is not the first time she usin a spin
Dude, go grab an english textbook

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>not this show again
fool me once, shame on you
fool me twice, AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA NO.

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Been trying to tread lightly, but eh fuck it

>>2157658
this desu

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>>2157930
Stop playing with my feelings !

>>2157890
the way Reina leans toward kumiko at the end is going to give me diabetes.

>>2157852
Just accept it - KyoAni hate yuri.

Ishihara: She’s awfully serious when it comes to depicting yuri.
Oguro: But you don’t think of it as yuri, Yamada-san?
Yamada: That’s right.
Oguro: I thought there was also some yuri in Tamako Market.
Yamada: Ah, that’s right. Surely you mean about Midori.
Oguro: That’s right.
Ishihara: I agree. That’s somewhat serious too. (laughs)
Yamada: Is it?
Ishihara: Well, that doesn’t go to where men want yuri to be.
Oguro: (interrupting Ishihara) No, no, if Yamada-san doesn’t think it’s yuri, then it’s not!
Ishihara: (continuing on) What men want is a bit more giggly chuckly…..
Yamada: (interrupting both Ishihara/Oguro) Calm yourselves down! (laughs)
Oguro: Sorry. I got a bit excited.
All: (laughs)
Yamada: Okay. So I’ll say it clearly: I don’t think that’s depicted as yuri. I wanted to depict adolescence.
Oguro: For which case?
Yamada: Probably for all of them. For Tamako, for Reina, for all of it. I wanted to depict adolescence!
Oguro: Did you want to depict the feelings during that time.
Yamada: Yes, I wanted to depict those feelings. I have an interest in those points of view.

>>2157963
Why you people don't understand that we don't care? People can ship whatever the fuck they want.

>>2157963
Tamako never had any romantic feelings for Midori, so the 'adolescence' on her part is her romance with Mochi?

>>2157963
>giggly chuckly
What did he mean by that?

>>2157977
Maybe CGDCT

>>2157963
>Yamada is the embodiment of just a phase writing
Why do people praise her as the second coming of God again?

>>2157987
because normies

>>2157963
More like "Yamaha hates yuri".
Ishikawa is the actual director, though. She was involved in Hibike St, don't know about S2. But Ishikawa said in interview that he killed Kumiko x Shuichi intentionally.

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>>2157963
>Ishihara: Well, that doesn’t go to where men want yuri to be.
>Ishihara: (continuing on) What men want is a bit more giggly chuckly…..
Ishihara understands us. Thanks god he's the one who directed chuu2.

>>2157963
This is very simple: Yamada is Japanese. Japanese people in general don't even consider homosexuality, so I'm not surprised.

Japanese parents prefer seeing their daughter holding hands with another girl because, for them, that doesn't mean anything. On the other hand, holding hands with a boy is "impure" or "inappropiate". These things sound stupid for us Western fans, but that's how Japan works. Sadly.

The point is, no matter if she sees it as yuri or not; they do more-than-friends things. It's true that she directs episodes and it's an important staff member, but I'd never expect someone like her to say "Oh, yeah, Kumiko and Reina's relationship is romantic/yuri".

>>2158004
Most Japanese artist actually support yuri and yaoi without going into the politics of homosexuality.
Also, most artists have a way of saying it's yuri without saying it's yuri. Just remember those "you can see it like that if you want."
Yamada is one of the few who outright denies it. That's even bad for marketing purposes. Maybe Hibike could be a bigger success if she just would shut up.

These threads are always full of complaining. Since when do yuri fans care about if a ship is canon or not? If it's shippable, it's shippable.

>>2157775

It's cute. I'd wear some free crap a guy gave me too. Aren't they kinda friends? Shuu seems like a jerk or at least not very friendly.

>>2158006
It's not about caring if it's canon or not, it's about caring if they are lesbians or not, completely different things.

>>2158007
So, why don't you go and complain to all those shipping threads like the Disney ones? No one gives a shit about canon unless it proves us right. Why should be different with Hibike?

>>2158009
Because nobody gives a shit about western shit. I actually care if my japanese lesbians are actually lesbians.

>>2158010
Then don't watch it and fuck off. No one cares.

>>2158012
I'll watch it because so far Kumiko seems to be lesbian in the anime, they just need to fix Reina's stupid crush.

>>2158013
There's a solid pivot point for that at the end of the second novel, if they want to take it, when Reina tells Kumiko that she's playing the solo for her, not for Taki. I think her problem is the viewpoint she expressed at the end of the episode to Kumiko - she sees giving up on achieving something as running away and not being special, regardless of why your priorities might have changed.

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this was cute

>>2158027
Literally a husband and wife

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Kumiko x Reina is shit.

>>2158030
>literally a husband and wife
>literally
>a husband
The fuck. It's 2016, you dingus. It's time to grow some brain cells.

>>2158033
I don't agree with you but I do have more interest in seeing how things turn out for the ships in that pic than KumiRei

>>2158033
give this guy a box of macaron

>>2158033
We've seen all of the senpai pairs before. Kumiko and Reina are more unique, and the quality of their development building up from little glances and smiles into a full relationship doubly so, at least as far as anime goes.

>>2158039
The pairing is pretty much dead now that their story has ended.
On the other hand, Natsuki and Yuuko have more chemistry even without much screentime and drama.

>>2158042
There's nothing unique about them, what are you smoking? Besides we don't even know how the "senpai pairs" and their dynamics will be handled throughout the season so fuck off.

>>2158042
Kumiko x Reina is dead and buried, doomed from the very start. Get over it.

>>2158042
>into a full relationship
Is guess you meant into a full phase of innocent girl crushing instead.

>>2158043
No, they don't had the same chemistry
proof not one of they scene compete with KumiRei

>>2158047
some people will insist kumirei is the real deal

just like tama****s

>>2158044
Even alone they're the more unique characters. Kumiko is unusually down-to-earth to the point of the director commenting how odd it was to see that sort of personality in anime, and Reina's specialness-chuuni that she's continuing to develop had people off-balance throughout the previous season. Because of that their character dynamics are unique to them rather than being variations of standard anime relationships such as Natsuki and Yuuko's mutual trolling - and as I already said, they clearly lack the strength of Kumiko and Reina's buildup.

>Besides we don't even know how the "senpai pairs" and their dynamics will be handled throughout the season so fuck off.
I assumed you at least knew their stories. Why do you like them so much if you don't even know who they are yet?

>>2158049
Because they didn't get any real focus in the story yet, you absolute knucklehead. MizoNozo was just introduced and NatsuYuuno were kept in the background in season 1. But season 2 is their time to shine.

>>2158052
>I assumed you at least knew their stories.
I do know how their story goes in the novels but we'll have to see how KyoAni decides to adapt it. Whether they change some things or add some things, etc. Many things may be "richer" in the anime, depends on how they decide to go about it.

>>2158049
That's the thing, KumiRei needs those scenes to work.
Natsuki and Yuuko don't need it, they're more natural.

>>2158049
Almost all of their scenes is followed by a typical "no homo" remark (mentions of Shoe or Taki sensei) which kills the mood and makes them fall flat and meaningless. They might as well walk around with a sign that says "bait" on it.

>>2158064
No, is not followed, they happend in different episode, more like silly things
and since they scene are popular pretty sure they don't kill the mood

>>2158074
What you're saying makes no sense. But then again you probably don't fully understand what is being said in this thread either, therefore your opinion is dismissed.

>>2157864
Ribbon-chan looks odd there - her proportions seem off. Isn't she shorter than Natsuki, and less gifted, tit-wise?

Her face is of too.

This is really bothering me.

>>2158085
Her & Natsuki are the same height.

>>2158052
>Kumiko is unusually down-to-earth to the point of the director commenting how odd it was to see that sort of personality in anime,
This. She's a very different kind of protagonist - awkward and pessimistic and down-to-earth, but not in a cliche anime way. She feels very real.

>>2158092
Clearly you haven't watched that many chinese cartoons in your liffetime, imouto.

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>>2158085
Nothing wrong with her Yuukos.

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>>2158091
I guess I'm just out of it.

I still don't like her face in that picture.

>>2158093
Can you name 5 female protagonist as "realistic" in this sense as Kumiko?

>>2157538
Who cares what sensei think? The problem is with Reina lusting for him.

>>2157555
>In Tamako Market at least Midori never looked like she had a chance
The beach episode, Tamako's "I like you more than him" and we all know how it ended.

>>2157970
>this level of tumblr insanity
Then why the hell do you people even watch the series if you're going to deny the story and rebuild your own one anyway?

I like that Kumiko is taller than Reina. Usually the cool, aloof black haired girl would be tall. That's both a yuri cliche and a general anime cliche.

I still don't understand about Kumiko's smile at last minute of this first episode, it's like she had realized something when looking at firework or holding hand with Reina?

>>2157278
There is ZERO chance that Kumiko is not a lesbian.
The problem is Reina. She's like 75% lesbian & 25% het at this point.

>>2158117
Reina squeezed her hand and she gasps and blushes then bites down on her straw. That shouldn't be a difficult to read reaction.

>>2158120
Sure. Keep that headcanon alive, anon. How's that dick in your mouth taste like, anyway?

I personally cannot wait for all these delusional anons to be like "oh no i didn't see this coming!!" when the hetshit finally hits the fan and fill the threads with their retarded whining and weeping as they realize at last that they should have known better. I'm looking forward to it.

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Even if they are gay, it's literally Class-S.

>>2158115
I feel like there's a middle ground between having fun with the subtext and actually expecting Kyoani to go there that these threads always overshoot.

>>2158136
Bravo Yamada.

>>2158136
I'm pretty sure "if only this moment were eternal" monologues are not exclusive to class S.

>>2158124
Oguro: The point of this work wasn’t to depict his love, after all.
Hanada: Right, it’s not. If we were to depict it, as has been done in many other shows where childhood friend doesn’t recognize his feelings, that would turn Kumiko into a thickheaded girl. While that may be good for a comedy, it’s not good for Euphonium. Also, if we were to do that, it would approach a shojo manga-type setting. We wanted both genders to be able to watch this show, so we decided not to push that much of a shojo manga romance setting.

>>2158140
Is that why they keep making Shoe drop his spaghetti around Kumiko? That's how they not depict his love?
And why do they keep making other characters bring up the fact that Kumiko is "clueless" when it comes to Shoe? Even Reina, who supposedly knows Kumiko better than anyone at this point. And we're to believe they won't pull the "oopsie daisy it seems I've been in love with you all along" with Kumiko in the end? Sure. See: Tamako

>>2158140
>Hanada and Ishihara doing damage control for Yamada
This is kinda hilarious. Now I imagine that Yamada would have loved to put it in instead.

>>2158139
The point just flew over your head there, buddy

>>2158150
Feel free to elaborate.

>>2158115
>Then why the hell do you people even watch the series if you're going to deny the story and rebuild your own one anyway?

What the hell are you even about? I love the show and I don't give two shits about who will end up fucking who. My point is that people watching the show don't care (or know) about how it ends and decided to ship Kumiko and Reina regardless of it. How is something so simple hard to understand? Are you a retard or something?

>>2158126
>[Reina] is thirsting for Taki sensei every chance she gets.
She does get over that in the books. Unfortunately, by that time Kumiko is dating Shoe.

Either way, as things are in the anime if Shoe does make a move and Kumiko accepts it'll be so far out of left field that it'll be just plain bullshit.

>>2158153
>My point is that people watching the show don't care (or know) about how it ends and decided to ship Kumiko and Reina regardless of it.
Don't be naive

>>2158152
No spoonfeeding from me, imouto. Educate yourself.

>>2158161
Well, at least the people that ship them. There seems to be a subset of people that feel the need to tell everyone about how it will end on het on every single thread which is fucking boring.

>>2158124
I am with you anon

>>2158166
It's because of the people who love to go on and on about how "KumiRei are lesbians KumiRei is endgame"

>>2158166
Specially considering those people mention the source material, which KyoAni made rather drastic changes to.

>>2158173
Any other result will be nothing less than an asspull after all this.

>>2158173
Honestly it's like they are part of the Mugino clan or something.

>>2158173
>people are shitposting about it, that means I'm allowed to shitpost about it too!

>>2158179
I don't know what creative choices will KyoAni choose, but I'm sure as hell that making Kumiko and Reina a couple is off the table.

>>2158179
As if KyoAni isn't all about the bait and switch. Anon, please.

>>2158179
Rest assured, all of the hetshit "loose ends" will be tied in Hibikek: Love Story

>>2158185
>>2158186
KyoAni: "I'm not saying they're a couple, but I'm not saying they're NOT a couple."

And they're going to walk the molecule-thin line all the way to the end of the series. It'll be like MoriMori in Chuu2.

Will every episode be met with this much shitposting?

>>2158197
Were you not here for S1? Because this feels pretty tame in comparison to the old threads. No mass deletions or boogeyman calling yet.

>>2158203
S1 was ridiculous. Didn't someone make a chart or something showing how much /u/'s monthly postcount went up while it was airing?

>>2158148
There is one huge difference: Tamako doesn't look at Midori in the same way as Kumiko to Reina.

The difference is huge, I don't understand why people keep comparing Kumiko with Tamako.

>>2158197
No, because Reina will be irrelevant in S2.

>>2158191
>>2158191
>Rest assured, all of the hetshit "loose ends" will be tied in Hibikek: Love Story
Exactly
Seems like that people didn't watch Tamako.

>>2158124
>h-how did they dare to follow the novel?!
Pretty much the only thing looking forward to with these threads.

>>2158196
But in novel Dekomori didn't exist at all. So it's KyoAni's character and they can do yuri-bait as much as they want.

>>2158153
The simple thing that is hard to understand for people like you is that Reina is declared straight. Gayshipping straight characters, that's retarded.
It's not about how it will end, it's been already said in S1 and confirmed in S2E1 despite how you are trying so hard to deny. You are like "wow I really like that character... but not that part, oh no, I'm gonna rewrite that part and create a new character that fits my tastes".

>>2158223
>Reina is declared straight
>a throwaway line that goes nowhere vs literally everything she does with Kumiko
Yes. Quite.

>>2158229
It's exactly that the reason people is mad with KyoAni, congratulations you finally understand it.

>>2158229
Only in this new episode:
>Kumiko teases Reina about her crush on Taki-sensei
>Reina admits she wakes up early every day in hopes to see Taki sensei
>wants him to notice her and is disappointed when he doesn't
>gets jealous at the "maybe it's his fiancee"

Face it. KyoAni is constantly and blantly pulling a giant "no homo" with her no matter what she does with Kumiko.

>>2158231
Yeah, but the shows treats her crush like a joke. Kumiko just teases her about it, then we get some big yuri scene as contrast. That's why it's easy to ignore, it's treated like a silly little adolescent crush that's irrelevant in the long run.

>>2158235
You do know it's more than a joke and a big motivation of her regardless, don't you?

>>2158237
I do know Reina gets over it, and the relationship goes nowhere. It feels more like idol worship than serious romance.

>>2158235
You're not the brightest crayon in the box, are you

>>2158238
No relationship goes anywhere in a romantic point.

>>2158237
Being a big motivation doesn't make it serious. Kumiko obviously doesn't take it seriously.

>>2158238
>>2158243
It's still there as a reminder that Reina is not gay

>>2158120
As if.

>>2158247
Yeah, she'll discover she's bi soon.

>>2158251
That happened in the novels?

>>2158148
Tamako is a freaking retard and Kumiko almost puked at the idea of her with Shoe, those other characters are just to show that Kumiko doesn't even care.

>>2158251
Are you seriously this retarded?

>>2158254
Sure, you keep telling yourself that

>>2158196
MoriMori kissed

>>2158222
Deko wasn't bait.

>>2158251
Dumblr get out

>>2158258
>MoriMori kissed
Wasn't that an accident?

>>2158252
These are not the novels.

>>2158257
I actually watched the show. Unlike you, /a/

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>>2158252
>>2158256
>>2158260
>this triggers the hetfags

>>2158258
Their kiss was an accident and it was treated as such. It was played for the laughs, as were 90% of their interactions. Comic relief + bait.

>>2158262
But it's based on the novels, and if it did happeded there, you'd at least have a basis to say "Reina will realize she's bi" at least. Right now you're speculating.

>>2158263
>p-p-people who don't agree with my delusionals are hetfags!

>>2158264
And yet, MoriMori developed further than the "main" relationship.

>>2158266
>based on the novels
Rather loosely. Remember how they added more scenes with Reina and removed some scenes with Shoe.

>>2158118
That's called being bi. Bi women can still have relationships with women

>>2158266
The basis is the anime where Reina is gay as fuck

>>2158272
And where she says she loves Taki, which happens in both novel and anime.

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What do you imagine their hatesex is like?

>>2158140
>so we decided not to push that much of a shojo manga romance setting.

Yes, cause they pushed a shoujo AI manga setting. I think they know very well what they're doing, they're just afraid to admit it.

>>2158251
>>2158257
>>2158258
>>2158262
Where did all these retards come from?

>>2158275
violent and desperate

>>2158269
>And yet, MoriMori developed further than the "main" relationship
Are you on crack?

>>2158279
Dumblr

>>2158267
Tbqh I don't see the delusion there. Wasn't the festival a critical point in Kumiko and Shoe's relationship? And there Kumiko is basically saying "you again", and Reina basically shooing him off.

>>2158274
And promptly does nothing to actively pursue him.

>>2158279
Not that anon but how calling Reina bi is retarded? I ship the yuri, but I won't deny that she probably is

>>2158287
Because she loves Taki.
Apparently all the stuff she does with Kumiko that in any other series would be called gay as fuck don't count because in this series it's just "adolescensce" and her saying "I love Taki" holds far more weight, ignoring the fact that Reina doesn't really do anything to make Taki fall in love with her and the relationship goes absolutely nowhere in the books.

Lots of namecalling going on in this thread.

>>2158264
>treated as such
Literally the fact that it was their first kiss is what saved Deko from the rapist in S2, they didn't deny it when the other characters said it and the other characters said it completely seriously without any hint of laugh in that scene.

>>2158281
No, the "main" relationship act like a father and his retarded daughter, they don't even hug in their sleep or lean on each other like MoriMori do.

>/a/: Is this shit gay?!
>/u/: Is this shit straight?!

Good to see this discussion pick up where it left off last season.

>>2158155
>it'll be just plain bullshit.
That would hardly be the first time that's happened though, tbf

>>2158309
It's not happening. I'm not saying that anything will come of anything else beyond bait, but this is the second time they've actively replaced her getting flustered with the very idea of dating Shuuichi completely not registering.

>>2158030
Agreed they compliment each other so well

>>2158264
Yeah, but it did signal a change in their relationship from primarily senpai/kouhai in S1 to vaguely romantic in S2, even if it was played for laughs most the time. But the protagonists' relationship was played for laughs in S2 as well. Take from it what you will.

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haha

>>2158315
female only Non-H

>>2158318
>Non-H

>>2158318
If it were for that stuff I'd just rewatch the anime

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>>2158315

>>2158322
Reina's a power bottom at most.

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>>2157158
WHAT the name of this lesbian?

>>2158337
They have no name

>>2158119
Almost forgot the cut to a bursting firework in between there.

>>2158027
>Reina's delicate maternal-like voice as she commented on Kumiko's bedhead
Anyone else have a heart attack?

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Fagotts are the best background lesbians.

>>2158363
p sure everyone got named in blu ray booklets

>>2158264
But when het characters accidentally kiss and go tsun tsun in a romcom it's always LOVE isn't it?

>>2158582
There's a different historical context for accidental het kisses and accidental homo kisses though. Chuu2 is probably one of the first shows I can think of offhand that has a primary het romance where the homo kiss isn't a complete joke. And even then the OVA kiss was definitely played more for laughs than their relationship was in S2.

>>2157278
How the hell can you stand watching a video with this shit quality without vomiting?

I'm rewatching S1 and the hair tying scene is so cute.

>>2158633
All of their scenes are cute. I think some of my favourites are the subtle early ones, like them meeting gazes getting changed and pointedly looking away, or Kumiko smiling like she won ten million yen for being asked to move a desk. The little romantic moments like that are much realer than anime usually offers on that front.

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>>2158649
Oh, of course - they really have such great chemistry (which is almost the problem for a lot of people).

>or Kumiko smiling like she won ten million yen for being asked to move a desk.
That was great. And IIRC it was a foil to the obvious couple who were talking out in the halls and working together, if the right scene is the one I'm thinking of.

There was their little elbow shuffle in ep 13 as well, and the water bottle giving too.

Really, I think what makes it seem even more romantic is that Kumiko (and Reina to a lesser extent) was just so awkward and crush-like. She was nervous just thinking about the girl and speaking to her, but worked hard to get closer. If this was pretty much any other show they'd been confirmed no doubt.

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>>2157158
Wait wait, what happens in this anime to make it considered yuribait?

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>>2158672
It's based off of a series of novels, where Kumiko ends up dating Shoeitchy and Reina confesses to Taki-sensei (but he doesn't take it seriously). Also the author of the books has said that she didn't intend to depict Kumiko/Reina's relationship as romantic but rather as "adolescence" and a platonic relationship that is deeper than a romantic one

>>2158672
Stuff like gestures, glances, things like that. Little things that still make the relationship between the girls in >>2158656 so much more meaningful and realistic when added up. Little things that the yuri fanbase ignores, preferring the "getting hit by a jackhammer"approach to yuri.

As for why it's bait, it's because one of them lusts after a teacher and the other ends up dating a dude.

>>2158699
It wasn't Takeda who said that.
That was Yamada.

>>2158699
>platonic relationship that is deeper than a romantic one
That sort of excuse triggers me immensely.

>>2158708
You're not alone.

What happened at the beginning of the episode, when it was snowing?

Did anyone watch the movie? What were the changes/different scenes? Anything major?

>>2158737
Because the prologue takes place in the future, during winter, then the rest of the episode picks up where the first season left off, in the summer.

>>2158743
they make a better animation to the band play
and add a Mizore cameo
only this

surprised that reina actually has bigger tiddies

I think theresa misinterpretation of the Shu scene at the festival. Reina was trying to get back at Kumiko for the Taki teasing by agitating Shu. It didnt work.

Kumiko will hang out with the 2nd years more and with Reina less. Reina will discover more about Takis past. Then Kumiko moves on to Asuka. Shes quite the cheater

>>2158813
Why is everyone in this show trying to ship those two despite the fact that Kumiko showed absolutely zero interest?

>>2158833
Because she's supposedly in love with him but hasn't realized it yet or something

Can someone who has read the whole series give me a TL;DR? I just want to know if the yuri will happen at the end of the novels (or maybe show, whatever.)

>>2158977
It doesn't happen in the novels and chances are it won't happen in the anime either.

>>2158979
Thanks for saving me time.

/u/ will literally explode if it's a yuri end. If only KyoAni has the guts.

>>2158836
Well, she needs to clarify to them that she isn't.

>>2158992
If anything, Hibikek is the perfect testament of the hopeless nature of human beings. There are actually living and breathing people out there, who think there is a chance for a yuri end. Absolutely fascinating.

>>2159019
There's a good chance it will be an open end leaning towards yuri at least

>>2159019
Who hurt you?

>>2158704
Yamada said the show wasn't Yuri

Takeda said that Reina's relationship was platonic but superior to the romantic one Kumiko has with Shuuichi

>>2158992
All they need to do is have them kiss or equivalent and it'll go down in every yuri-related recommendation list for decades as the best yuri anime ever created. Take the risk and immortalize your show, Kyoani.

>>2159030
>Yamada said the show wasn't Yuri
Just as a minor note, that translation was slightly misleading, as they were specifically talking about gachi yuri, which is the cutesy "kyaa! but we're both girls!" sort of relationship, hence why she also didn't want to apply it to Midori.

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the OP seems like they're shipping Kumiko and Asuka desu

thats not Reina

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>>2159032
>kiss or equivalent
so what was this then

>>2159036
Was it rape?

>>2159032
You sure that it just has this meaning? I have seen it used for the cute/fun stuff like YrYr, but also for Yagakimi which doesn't fit that criteria at all. I've seen people use it to denote all the more than slight subtext stuff and on pixiv it has actually an ironic use.
There is literally a gachi yuri joke even in YrYr when Akane does the greeting in the beginning instead of Akari, denoting that gachi yuri is starting now all while she's in her Akari worship room, basically saying that it's not the weak yuru yuri with her.
I mean gachi is literally a slang term for legit. I don't see why it should just denote joke yuri or how you can be so sure that they actually used that meaning in their conversation. Although I haven't seen the original text so I guess there might be something context wise in there to make that reading feasible?

>>2158992
An open ending without Shoo will be a victory for us. And there are quite some chances for it to actually happen.
Now, yuri canonically confirmed or kiss is impossible, since it's clear they don't want to label this as yuri and screw up their sells.
But I'm quite hopefull, since they have intentionally changed so many important details from the het romance

>>2159032
>Kiss

It will never happen. We should be thankful if we get an open ending and scenes like the festival from now, and shouldn't just push our luck really this far.

>>2159036
Oh gawd. Imagine if they were real people They would have such hot sex

>>2159059
I don't know if I'm expressing it quite right, but it's not so much about being a joke as being in-your-face, the main point of a series or character. Related to Yuriyuri, I think it's more often used in relation to the parody AV than the opening scene.

>>2159061
>An open ending without Shoo will be a victory for us.
How? Nothing being confirmed will be an even worse ending. It will make all of this forgettable.

>>2159084
It would be lesser, but I'd hardly call it forgettable. Their relationship is still beautiful, and going from "he likes her so she must like him back" to Kumiko just wanting to be friends plus the constant nudge-nudge-wink-wink moments with Reina still sends a pretty clear message.

>tfw a T rated fanfic suddenly has a graphic sex scene

Yeah. So no M rated.

>>2158315

Yuri doujins probably exist but haven't been posted online. Most doujins aren't, only specific ones.

>>2158337

I find it weird how they gave background characters such good designs. Most anime just give them plain, generic ones.

>>2158699

I love me some queerplatonic friendships but I can't see Kumirei as such. It's romantic afaik and they'll end up together as adults.

>>2158699
I know I've said this before about a dozen other moments in the first season, but that blushing gasp complemented by a bursting red firework cut... that's not how anyone depicts just-a-super-close-friend.

>>2159107
All while drinking from a pink flower-shaped cup

>>2159071
Yeah, in your face/obvious sounds like a better definition for it. In your first post it just sounded more like you equated gachi to all the cute or immature ones.
I should really read the original one day, because now that I know that they used gachi yuri all the time Ishihara's comments make far more sense in context. It also makes Yamada's vehement denial interpretable in two ways.

>>2159107
Of course not, that's how japan depicts its good old class s relationship instead though. :^)

>>2159084
> It will make all of this forgettable
So the whole damn anime and their relationship gets automatically downgraded to non-existance because they won't be fucking gay right in front of our eyes.
But a confirmation of het would be better than open ending, right?
Asking for yuri canon is too much in this situation, don't be so greedy.

>>2159194
>Asking for yuri canon is too much in this situation

It really shouldn't be.

>>2159099
>It's romantic afaik ignoring the fact that the author hooks Kumiko and Shu up in the source material
Though the author is dead and junk

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>>2159202

They're, what, sixteen? I doubt they'll be together forever.

>>2159217
I can respect that as a basis for fanfiction

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>>2159234

Pretty sure I've already read post-hs fics where Kumiko dated (and dumped) Shuu only to meet Reina later. I am pretty sure the one where Kumiko works as a hospital has that plot

>>2159217
>>2159234
>>2159238

The novel relationship with Shuu is definitely unhealthy. You're not supposed to ditch your boyfriend on a whim to hang out with your """"""""friend"""""""" who you much prefer spending time with anyway.

Still better that it just never gets to that point in the first place.

>>2159063
This

if we get an open ending we can ship as much as we want, and more cute scenes would be nice.

>>2159063

I don't see the big deal about kisses personally. Plenty of series end on romantic ends without a kiss.

>>2159250
>Plenty of series end on romantic ends without a kiss.
I unashamedley love Kyoani but they're the fucking worst at romantically blue-balling people in this way.

They'll make some great romances and then almost never have the characters kiss.

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Oh god, I don't know if I can continue watching this. ;_;

>>2159460
I'll read it as
"Someday, I'll part my legs with the friends I love."

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>>2158699
>>2159460
With my yuri goggles on, this scene almost seemed like meta commentary:
>I wish I could preserve this moment where I'm so in love with and happy with Reina
>But I know in the future, I'll be forced to go straight and date the boy who called me "ugly" in front of his friends in middle school.

>>2158117
I read it as Kumiko drinking in every detail so that she could remember it as clearly as possible later on. Like focusing on taking in sensation of the fireworks, Reina's hand, her slushie, Reina telling her she wants them to come again together next year etc etc. It was all giving her a bit of "fireworks and life are all transitory" existential malaise but she moves past that by losing herself in the moment.

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>>2159547
>>2159460

"Let's live our lives heroically; let's live them with style. And even if we're someday seperated...take my revolution."

About the whole 'is it yuri thing':
1 Studio is probably too afraid to admit it is yuri, why? Sales. 2 someone higher up is suggesting they stay away from a purely yuri route as a marketing technique, since yuri is so niche and Kyoani would be hurting themselves finacially if they took this risk. 3 the good news, based on actions and text of this show, its highly sexual and erotic exchanges between reina and kumiko. In the real world this is likely to be yuri, but people always want proof and cant read between the lines. My 2 cents on this whole show.