FLOWERS The tale of the girls who grow with a season.

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I found someone almost like Mayuri, with a calm voice and mature personality: Shibuya Rin from The iDOLM@STER Cinderella Girls. The resemblance is just uncanny. Listen to that voice...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW7sXT-LtGM

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>>2123606
basically just the "cool girl" trope?

Didn't have room in the first post for this, but here's the FLOWERS translation drama/updates as described by Meru, one of the translation checkers of the VN.

1. February 28, 2016: https://merumeruchan.wordpress.com/2016/02/28/lets-talk-about-the-flowers-demo/
2. March 8, 2016: https://merumeruchan.wordpress.com/2016/03/08/flowers-update/
3. August 21, 2016: https://merumeruchan.wordpress.com/2016/08/21/what-did-i-do-to-flowers/

Meru's twitter: https://twitter.com/merumeruchann/

I hope meru gets to be the main translator for summer, as do I hope JAST actually releases the next game before summer of 2017.

>>2123666
He expressed interest in translating Summer (which I hope he does, since Summer was my favorite one out of all three), but it's all on JAST. I think they will get him, after all the backlash of the demo, Satan-onee-sama.

So, true route of Flowers (spring) finished. For the most part quite enjoyable for me. Nice characters. Suoh was also a relatively fun lead. If you read this with in the right way, her pessimism is just amusing. Some randomly dropped narrated lines were comedy gold, even if they aren't anything special out of context like "I'm lonely.". The voice acting also helped. I can't help to think of "Watashi" from "Humanity has declined" when I see Suoh's comments and such. Some kind of... sarcastic tones are definitely there at times. This gets less as you hit the last chapters, which is unfortunate, but it's still okay.

I also liked most of the other characters. The twins probably the most, with some of their comments, but there's not really much to say about "best girls" or anything.

That said, this VN impressively destroyed a lot it had going in its last two minutes. It's been a while since I saw such a shitty ending. Pulled straight out of the ass, making little to no sense at all, gives no sense of closure and resets a lot of what happened to the point you may start to wonder what the hell the point was. Just splendid. I was laughing. I couldn't believe what I'm seeing.
A nice side effect of this ending is, that I no longer care about any sequel. Nice last 2 minutes. Feels like a silly joke.


Well, at least that makes it easy for me to say that Resonance of Starlight's true route remains the favorite yuri VN I've ever read. Don't think Flowers would've beaten it even with an actual ending, but.. if the series would've continued strong then maybe.

>>2124491
The ending is a heavily foreshadowed cliffhanger. It's not supposed to give closure.

>>2124529

If that's the case, then Chidori or Erika should've left the school, right. Why didn't one of them do so? Anyway, Suou was prepared to break up with Mayuri, so it's probably for the best. At first, even though I'd read numerous spoilers about Mayuri, I still kind of thought that Mayuri and Rikka had run away together (silly, I know) and the ending would not be as heartbroken as it's supposed to be. Couldn't not cry. And the lines at the end of the game are Mayuri's, right? So basically she told Suou to forget her. That's it? After all you've gone through side by side. I was and still am confusedly disappointed. Hence, now as I have finished the game, I don't really see any point of Mayuri coming back anymore. I couldn't care less about Rikka's route, either. They should've left together, however. That said, isn't it ridiculous? Going out with other Amitie does not necessarily mean that the other might be left out, doesn't it? Moreover, if Mayuri'd told Suou directly that she would leave, I believe Suou is not the kind of person who would create drama by begging Mayuri to stay (she would've left instead.)

>>2124491

> A nice side effect of this ending is, that I no longer care about any sequel

Concur. Can't decide if I want to start to read Natsu-hen anymore when Mayuri is out and Suou is not the protagonist. At least, Aki-hen has what I can call "happy ending."

>>2124596
The final lines at the end of the game were from Suoh, not Mayuri. Suoh was crying because she felt Mayuri was likely feeling the exact same pain that she was at that moment.


Anyways I dont mind the ending too much, as it is supposed to be the main mystery of the series, and winter is supposed to bring closure to this. Winter will likely be from the viewpoint of Suoh again, or even Mayuri.

>>2124491
>>2124596
For what it's worth, I thought spring was the weakest game in the series so far.

>>2124614

> ごめんなさい、
好きになってしまって
そして
どうか私のことを忘れてほしい
白羽は初めて、心から神へ祈った

They were Suou's lines?

> Winter will likely be from the viewpoint of Suoh again, or even Mayuri.

I doubt if it's gonna from Mayuri's POV but yeah, they are bound by the red string of fate thus it makes sense that Mayuri will eventually come back to pick up Suou.

>>2124625
> the weakest game

In terms of what?

I'm afraid I don't have enough willpower to continue. I almost abandoned Haru-hen when I came to terms with the fact that Mayuri was in love with Rikka from chapter 1 through and through until chapter 7 If Mayuri comes back, I'll definitely have to.

>>2124647

This hurts.

>>2124647
>>2124649
Please explain.

>>2124650

At the same time, Suou was tracing and whispering Mayuri's name which'd been carved together with Suou's name under the same (love) umbrella before knowing Mayuri'd gone.

Can someone give me a TL;DR for the first Drama CD?

>>2123599

Would you mind translating it?

Dalia x Erika OTP
accept no substitutes

>>2124673
Ignore him.

>>2124675
chidorifag detected

>>2124671

What is the timeline of the Drama CD? Suou and Mayuri keep calling each other name-san :( I was literally melted when Mayuri first said "Suou" in the church.

>>2124676
Suomayu the OTP. Even Maria-sama agrees.

>>2124676
Suomayu the OTP of all. Even Maria-sama agrees.

>>2124596
>If that's the case, then
No, Natsu-hen and Aki-hen end on cliffhangers for the Suoh plotline too.

The last lines are clearly Suoh's.

>>2124671
I second this. Any translation of the drama CD, or even a brief summary, would be much appreciated.


Anything on the summer/autumn drama CD's would also be much appreciated.

>>2124704
Suou and Rikka washing each other's hair.

>>2124529

It's not even about closure or the event per se, it's just the combination of everything is just so.. bad.

An ending is supposed to wrap things up in some way, maybe to take a look at what happened, how this influenced things, how the characters grew and so on. This... "ending".. retroactively destroys a lot the story built up before. It made many achievements void and killed of most of what Suoh had achieved and what reflected her growth. As such it made many chapters utterly pointless. With such an ending, you may as well not have had those chapters.

The other problem was, that the author didn't even bother with giving that some sense. The last problem Suoh was facing seemed superficial enough. Talking with her partner about it, they could've gotten to plenty "much less bad" solutions. And yet you get what you get. Randomly. And I'm still supposed to believe that girl liked Suoh? With such a move? Given what she did, she should've known what's important to Suoh. Her current "Amitie" and her love, but she struggles with the love part, as she doesn't want to destroy their Amitie group. Mayuri's "way" just destroys both. And then with the whole "date" thing on top? Also why is Suoh just randomly dropping her weird lines about "please get happy" and crap at that random situation?

This wasn't just rushed anymore. It was pulled straight out of the ass. And for a final 2 minutes, that's absolutely horrible. This isn't even a cliffhanger. Cliffhangers don't really make you want to never bother with a series again. I mean I have all information. It just seems dumb and idiotic what happens. If there's something else going on, then that was a little too subtle. To me this is really just a good example of a REALLY bad ending, from a technical writing perspective. Which is honestly quite shocking after the rest.

>>2124758
>I mean I have all information.
You don't. You've misunderstood the ending if you think you do, which is probably why you think it's bad.

Why Mayuri left is currently a mystery that Suoh works toward investigating in the background of the next 2 parts (which both end with further cliffhangers related to that) and should be answered in part 4.

>>2124758
>And I'm still supposed to believe that girl liked Suoh? With such a move? Given what she did, she should've known what's important to Suoh. Her current "Amitie" and her love, but she struggles with the love part, as she doesn't want to destroy their Amitie group. Mayuri's "way" just destroys both.
I heard that her disappearance is the biggest mistery of the series, so there must be another reason behind her sudden departure. She was all excited about the date the next day, it can't be that she would suddenly change her mind like that.

>>2124762
>>2124763

It is. It's written in the description of Aki-hen. But it can't be related to occult stuff like 七不思議, can it? How much information about Mayuri's departure do Dalia-sensei and Rikka know? How did they know that their date would be there (sorry I forgot its name)? Seems like my thinking was stupidly simple.

>>2124777
The pattern in all 3 parts so far is that stuff that seems occult has been a cover story of one sort or another so it's unlikely to be a supernatural solution, but what Suoh is investigating is related to the school's mysteries and other disappearances.

Dalia almost certainly knows more than she has told Suoh.

I don't understand Rikka.
She's using Mayuri's homosexuality to blackmail Suoh, but then she's openly announce her (obviously homosexual) relationship with Suoh in front of the class. What the fuck?

>>2124810
Rikka thinks to herself that if Mayuri's story got out it would create a scandal that would lose her role as the holy mother. That's a step too far for her to actually do to Mayuri, but it does occur to her that she could just threaten Suoh.

Hmm, i wonder what it was Mayuri said during the returning of the veil that seemed to piss dalia off?

I hope there's a torrent soon so I could decide to buy it or not. I want to buy this so bad but college is being a pain atm.

>>2124820
There is one already.

>>2124781
I'm glad I've read umineko before, so this kind of thinking comes naturally.

>>2124823
What. Where?

Sorry.

>>2124814

Funny when Yuzuriha had the accident, Mayuri thought she was punished because of having been chosen (having stolen) the role Rikka.

>>2124810

What I don't really understand is how Suou would forgive her despite everything she'd done to Suou and her beloved Mayuri

>>2124816

You mean after the 聖望祭?

>>2124820

Because I wanted to read it immediately so badly, after reading some grammar from Tae Kim guide and a third of Dictionary of Basic Grammar, I decided to jump into it. It's painfully slow and mentally excruciating tell you as it took me 5 hours to read a chapter but you know the beautiful feelings you'll have when you can sometimes understand the texts without looking up in the dictionary, when Mayuri invites Suou to watch the cherry blossom in the first night I was hooked. I was dying to hear Mayuri referring to Suou as "Suou/kimi" again Learn Japanese, man..

>>2124820

I need to check my reading comprehension http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=842738

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>>2124828
Y'know-

>>2124828
>What I don't really understand is how
Well she doesn't go through with her threat (she never really planned to) and she really does help to clear Mayuri's name, when she didn't have to and stood to potentially gain by not doing so.

The threat was underhand, but Suoh knows how Rikka normally acts. It's also in Suoh's nature to value friendship and to empathize with Rikka's problems (and even blame herself for what happened).

Rikka wasn't really aware of the hurt she was causing, being a bit oblivious to the triangle, especially Mayuri's feelings for her.

I hope it doesn't rake JAST a year to release Natsu, it was my favorite out of the three.

>>2124814
If Rikka thinks that Mayuri's homosexual crush would cause a scandal, then why did she openly announce her own relationship with Suoh to her classmates? Shouldn't she kept their relationship secret due to the fear of causing scandal?
That's what I don't understand.

>>2124847

No idea. My first thought is: 気持ち悪い。 Man this teacher is mysterious. My theory is She knew Mayuri was gonna confess to Suou then disappear (this word is unknowingly vauge)

>>2124853

She did, didn't see? If you read the review on the wordpress site on the original thread, Rikka's descriptions are spot on.

No, it's not normal and healthy to stay with the predator/manipulator after knowing their true colors. Rikka was emotionally immature and broken. I know the 甘え thing, but codependent relationships are dysfuctional. Also, Rikka hardly did anything directly to help Mayuri, though.

Maybe because she can't sympathize with both Suou and Mayuri but does know the consequences. Mayuri herself was as much oblivious to Suou's feelings as Rikka did to her.

Again, I could be wrong about a lot of things (poor Japanese). Please excuse me if I've ever made any mistakes.

>>2124865

It could be that the blackmail is not only consisted of the crush story. I realize it's a sh**** explanation.

>>2124862
I wonder why would someone to read the translated version if they'd already read the original ones? I myself have no interest in reading the original version when I already read the well-translated one and vice versa.

>>2124871
Because I might have lost some stuff on reading the original version, since my Japanese isn't perfect. Also, it's a nice story, which has been a long time since I last read, so it would make for a good reread.

>>2124873
Fair enough, but you do realize that the translation is not perfect, too? Why don't you just reread the Japanese version itself? The only reason for me to start learning a new language is because I was too frustrated with the so-called translations.

>>2124865
Girls dating girls is not particularly scandalous among the pupils at that school, although it would be worth some gossiping. The staff will also mostly unofficially tolerate that sort of thing. However it is still against Catholic teaching, and holy mother is a special role. And Mayuri's story is more than that of dating a pupil. She confessed to an adult woman, her father's employee, and came to the school due to being rejected, so it's much more something that would create cruel gossip.

>>2124875
I have hard time understanding this since I hate small talk and gossiping. Can't see any difference.

>>2124874
Because there is always the chance that the translator is better than me, and I'd lost more nuanced, hidden, meanings. Reading different editions is also a new way to enjoy the story. Nevertheless, there are always the voiced segments to listen to.

>>2124875
Chances are also that she wasn't aware of the fact that homosexuality is somewhat accepted in that school. But then again, the fact that Rikka openly announced her relationship is something that Suoh also notices because she was surprised that Rikka would do such a thing in front of everyone, but then she realizes that it's not a real, romantic relationship.
What Rikka wanted from Suoh was more akin to a Class S kind of relationship, with hand-holding, dropping honorifics, some kissing at best, while Mayuri explicitly refers to herself as gay and her idea of romantic relationship between girls is different, so she feels more pressure announcing her tendencies in front of everyone.

>>2124877
Are you an English native speaker?

>>2124878
Your first paragraph is very confusing. I bet you don't remember the scene in which Ichigo said Rikka had ecchi gazes at Suou Here we go the Class S again.

Nowhere did I see Mayuri calling herself as such

>>2124867
>No idea. My first thought is: 気持ち悪い。 Man this teacher is mysterious. My theory is She knew Mayuri was gonna confess to Suou then disappear (this word is unknowingly vauge)
It figures doesn't it? curse purposeful ambiguity in mystery stories.

>>2124879
It's one of my native languages, why?

>>2124885
Yes. That's why I'm worked up on re/reading the sequels before the final comes out.

>>2124881
>Your first paragraph is very confusing. I bet you don't remember the scene in which Ichigo said Rikka had ecchi gazes at Suou Here we go the Class S again
I was referring to the scene where Rikka announces her relationship with Suoh during the tea party, but the latter notices that what she means is that this is not a "real" relationship, in a traditional sense, and that's why the others accepted it so easily.
It might be that Suoh misunderstood Rikka's intentions, but that's what she says in her inner monologue.
>Nowhere did I see Mayuri calling herself as such
I believe that she talks about her homosexuality during her scene with Suoh in the library, when she confesses her past to her.

>>2124878
Personally I don't agree with thinking Rikka's feelings for Suoh were less real.

>>2124892
Let's agree to disagree.
>>2124894
No one ever degrades her feelings. But how she shows her love to Suou is fundamentally flawed

>>2124762

If it's such a big mystery, then there should've really been SOMETHING to make you think that way. The way it's shown by the game is that the issue Suoh faces at the end is the reason why the ending happens. "She was worried". And Suoh is like. "Oh, cool, get happy k?" in a little more flowery style. That's not exactly "Wait, there was no reason, what the fuck happened?".

Maybe the sequel(s) work like that, but this ending right here and now is just crap as it is.
A "tbc" or "cliffhanger" ending is nice and all. But even then you have to be aware that it should not make most of what the reader experienced so far void. In this case it mostly happens because it's just a 2 minutes asspull, without any kind of real reaction or anything else to go with. It really needed an hour or so of content where you get to see Suoh dealing with it to show that even though this happened, it didn't just make most of what she did and accomplished void. Make up her mind. Use it as another way to further grow, and swear to find out what really happened or whatever. Then it could end. As it is however... no. After all this is an ending to a game. No matter how "tbc" it is, it's still and ending to a game. And it fails at being that, HARD, if you ask me.


Well, that said, thanks to you I actually don't have to forgo the series. Because if you don't see the event as an ending, and one considers the information you gave now, it could end up working out alright. Should've been in the fucking game though.

Honestly the series is better if you pretend Spring didn't happen. By the time you're at the third one it's sort of like "who's Mayuri again?" anyway.

>>2124911
It's the end of part 1 of 4. Ending on the impact of Suoh breaking down at the news is stronger. It doesn't make what came before void. The fallout for Suoh and her growth is during subsequent parts.

>>2124961
Don't say that. I want Suoh to be happy with her girl.

>>2125002
I want her to find someone better.

How long is the game? I just finished chapter 5, but it seems like there is so much more to be told.

>>2125019
There are 8 chapters in Spring

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Reference to Aki-hen's Extra

>>2124828
English torrent when?

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>>2124894
I believe that her crush was more "innocent" in nature when compared to the other two.

Pic related is from the scene where Suoh wonders why the girls were so accepting of Rikka's announcement and why the latter was so carefree in doing that.

It's pretty much self-explanatory, especially the last line stating that it's different from Mayuri's issue which involves actual homosexual feelings. This is why I said that this was more akin to a class S relationship.

>>2125210
So Suoh was doing "that" after all...

>>2125332
>>2125210
Was that an actual masturbation scene? I thought flowers was explicitly all-ages.

What was the context/dialogue? Was she just thinking of Mayuri?

>>2125403
So long as there isn't anything such as nipples on show, all-age games can have sexual scenes. It's not even directly stated that Suoh was masturbating, so it's much less explicit than it could be.

The context was waking up in the morning when she had succeeded in taking a hard step toward information she hoped would lead to Mayuri.

>>2066760

>>2125558
forgot to mention, run "setup.exe" in that "script" directory I mentioned.

>>2125286
Suoh's thinking on what that announcement meant to their classmates is a different matter to the nature of Rikka's feelings.

I think if you pay attention to what Rikka says and does and why, there isn't really solid reason to think her crush is just about a "deeper, spiritual relationship". Part of what was going on was that Suoh doesn't pay great attention to Rikka and even tended to prefer to minimize how she perceives Rikka's feelings. You can especially see that happening in the scene where Rikka was trying to confess after having seen Suoh and Mayuri almost kissing.

>>2125403
To be quite honest, I thought that the narrative during the scene where Suoh and Mayuri make out in the library was pretty much implying that they went all the way afterwards.

>I thought flowers was explicitly all-ages
Just to be precise, in Japan the game is for ages 12+, which is not the same thing as "all-ages".

I mean, as long as you don't explicitly say and/or show it I think that you can still put such scenes in a 12+ game.


>>2125498
So she gets sexually aroused after solving a mystery?

The mysteries have a lot of holes and get messed up real terrible when it comes to the translation. I figure Suou had let out long breaths countless times (roughly 20) but I didn't even see once mentioned in the translated version. There are some tiny bits here and there with how they addressing each other but... Not trying to be nitpicking but maybe it's just the way it is.

>>2125002
Of course, that the whole point of reading the VN in the first place. I'll kill Shizumu Hatsumi if she doesn't let them reunite in the end.

>>2125009
Better? In what sense? Is Mayuri not enough for her? You do realize Suou is happiest when she's with Mayuri, right? They were made for each other. Besides, until the last sequel comes out, you can't know the real reason why Mayuri left/disappeared. Come on, you reminded me of the Yagakimi thread. I can't deal with this.

>>2125210
What does the meaning of the picture below?

>>2125567
I actually thought it was a bit too early since they'd just started going out although they'd been waiting for that for so freaking long time.

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At a loss as to how to take this.

>>2125603
>What does the meaning of the picture below?
It's a joke that Rikka was awake when Suoh was schlicking

Not much risk of that though

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>>2125617

anyone know how to unlock the rest of the stuff in the gallery? Curious of what's in "comic"

>>2125879
You have to get all endings for that I think.

I'm so aghast of Rikka I don't ever want to take her route.

>game is set on spring
>assumption of mary is in august

This was the only thing that really got my autism going on this otherwise great novel.

>>2126017
I think there were more obvious things in Spring that suggest it wasn't well researched. For instance, I seem to remember it said school had mass on Saturday because Sunday was a day of rest.

>>2126035
I thought Catholicism didn't have a day of rest, though Sunday was the day to worship God.

>>2126062
You're correct. It doesn't. Catholics' rest is going to Mass on Sundays.

Now, Catholicism in Japan could be totally different animal than in Europe or America (hell, the "flavor" of Catholicism can change a lot from region to region) so it could be something unique that was added in Japan.

I'm only on chapter 6, and I'm really liking the novel so far albeit the mysteries felt really cheap and most choices seem really meaningless.

I'm excited to finish the story, since it seems things are finally picking up.

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>>2125891
I'm shipping Suoh with Nerine.

Plus, you'll learn a bit more about the Girl in the Wheelchair. Nice introduction to Summer Arc.

>>2126138
> really meaningless
Most make sense, except the Amitie test.
> really cheap
Knowing English alone is not enough to solve the mysteries, really. That's what sets it apart from other yuri productions, at least.

>>2126063
It's not different in Japan.

There's also Nerine's father and grandfather being Catholic priests. In Summer they seem to have found out that Catholic priests are celibate as Erika remarks on it. Dalia is apparently adopted but I suspect that's a retcon.

And I don't see how Italy is supposed to be the country with the most Christians.

>>2126267
>Taking Nerine away from Yuzuriha
just what kind of monster are you?

>>2126301
Oh, and related to them going to Church on Sunday: Suoh seems to think Sunday is the 7th day of the week (so would correspond to God resting), but it's the 1st for Catholics.

>>2126301
>There's also Nerine's father and grandfather being Catholic priests. In Summer they seem to have found out that Catholic priests are celibate as Erika remarks on it.
Yeah, I frowned a bit when I read that Dalia and Nerine's fathers were priests. It should be a well known fact that priests are celibate.
I rationalized it as them having become fathers before ordination.

>And I don't see how Italy is supposed to be the country with the most Christians.
I felt like the writer was thinking of Vatican City, which is indeed part of Italy but in reality it's a different state, so I don't know if this is an acceptable explanation.

>>2126301
It has the most number of christian in relative terms. By absolute numbers, it would be America.

>>2126330
>america
most of american christians are protestants

>>2126313
>in reality it's a different state
Yeah, it's only when considered separately that it's top by %. Its population is too tiny to be significant otherwise.

>>2126330
>It has the most number of christian in relative terms
Out of the 4 options the player had, it has the highest %, but those options came out of nowhere. Many countries have a higher %.

>>2126339
The question was about Christians.

>>2126308
>but it's the 1st for Catholics.

That's not necessarily true. My country is Catholic, so much that the Church's opinion still matters, and the first day of the week is Monday.

i wonder what would happen if someone play flowers in syria

>>2126354
I live in the second country with most Christians in the world, and the large majority of them are catholic. The first day here is Sunday.

>>2126355
ISIS would become gay.

>>2126362
Well, to be fair my country kinda loves to go with international standards, ISO week starts on Monday, so that could be the reason.

>>2126388
As far as I know Monday is overwhelmingly considered the first day of the week in most of Europe, even in the more Catholic countries like Italy. From a cursory google search Sunday vs Monday looks more like a New Wolrd vs Old World thing nowadays.

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What did Suou promise to Mayuri?

So, I finished Mayuri route, but it only unlocked the CG viewer. How do I unlock the rest of the gallery?

>>2126457
Get all endings, including bad ends

I know its asking for a lot, but could the kind anon who was translating the aki-hen drama CDs, or anyone else who has the CDs for that matter, finish summarizing the last few tracks? Nerine and Yuzuriha are too cute, I need to know what happens.

> 皆、ごきげんよう匂坂マユリです。私の誕生日を祝ってくれてありがとう。何だか面映いね。遠くない日に皆へ逢えるのを愉しみにしているよ。ありがとう。

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What font am i missing?

Is there any difference between the PC version and the PSP one? I couldn't find the scene in which Suoh imitated Rikka's speech pattern.

>>2126970
Would also like to know this.

>>2124847
Something about this whole Mayuri thing makes me feel so uneasy.

I don't have any theories formulated right now, but I'd like to get some of my thoughts out and hopefully be able to make sense of them.


Some questions that I have are:

- Did Mayuri ever find out about the interview Suou had with Dalia before she left?

- Around what time did Mayuri leave? Suou said herself that she was up later than usual dreading over her plans to break up with Mayuri. Did Mayuri pack everything and leave in the dead of the night? Moreover, for Suou, who seems to be a heavy sleeper, it seems plausible that she was not woken up by the sounds of Mayuri sneaking away, especially if she's sleeping on the top bunk. But for Rikka, who is on the bottom bunk, she most likely would've heard it all. But then again, it's possible Mayuri never went to bed before she packed and left.

- Follow-up: How much does Rikka know about her disappearance? Since neither of Suou's Ameties bothered to wake her up, and Mayuri left long before 9 am, Rikka (who, despite not being a morning person, must've developed a habit of waking up at 7 am) most likely knows more than she's letting on.

- Did the usually observant Suou miss anything? A whole week was skipped out because Suou couldn't stop worrying over the impending break up. Is it possible that Mayuri's belongings had already been packed and ready to go the night before, but Suou never picked up on it?

- What did Mayuri say to Dalia during the Returning of the Veil that made the latter shoot Suou a pitying look?

- How much of Mayuri's departure planned? Multiple clues lead me to believe that Mayuri really does love treasure Suou, so for the sake of my own beliefs, I want to assume that Mayuri didn't leave so heartlessly. Did Mayuri have plans to use the school's supernatural stories as a cover up? Or did she really leave out of the blue?

- Why was Mayuri chosen as the Virgin Mary despite previous school tradition?

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>>2126970
>>2127467
Guessing you pirated, you gotta run "setup.exe" in your C/program files/Flowers/script directory. If you didn't I suppose there should still be a "setup.exe" somewhere in your Flowers directory. Running the .exe apparently won't do anything but when you run the game the font gets fixed.

>>2127477
>usually observant Suou
I think that Haru-hen shows us the exact opposite. Suoh has several memory lapses, such as when she didn't even listen to Mayuri being her Amitie on the start of the game. It's entirely possible that your guess is correct though.

Personally I think all the clues are already on the first game, it wouldn't be very interesting if the clues are only on the fourth game.

>>2127497
Yes, Suou does show several instances of not paying attention/having memory lapses (mostly because her emotions/anxiety get in the way), but I would still argue that she is incredibly observant. Rather, I think I should say she is very sharp when it comes to noticing smaller details that most wouldn't even blink an eye at.

Still, I suppose that's not what I was trying to get at and it seems like you understand my point. The idea is she got too caught up in a wave of anxiety that it blinded her from paying close attention to her surroundings.

I also feel like there are lots of clues in the first game, but it's just a hunch. For now, all I have are a whole lot of questions, but not a lot of answers. Replaying the second game (which I have no recollection of since I last played last year) as I write and will be moving on to the third when I'm finished.

Summer spoilers: Just skimming through to get to the true route- I wonder what kind of message Suou found in Mayuri's artwork?

真っ暗な闇
いつの間にか私はそこにいた。
見渡す限りの闇
私は言いようもない不安の中、周りを見渡して出口を探す。
すると、真っ暗な中、どこかに歩いて行く人の姿が見えた。
その人は…
「マユリ!」
私はそう叫ぶと、その姿を追って走る
しかし、走っても走っても、歩いているマユリになぜか追いつけない。
突然、マユリは立ち止まって私の方へ握り返った。
「ごめん、蘇芳」
「えっ?」
突然謝るマユリに、 私は足を止めてしまう。
「蘇芳といても幸せになれそうにないんだ。私達、2人ともね。」
マユリは触れたら壊れてしまいそうな儚い笑みをたたえながらそう言う

と、再び歩き出した。
私も再びそれを走って追うも、互いの速度は先ほどまでと同じなは

ずなのに、なぜか距離を離されていく。
そしてマユリは徐々に見えなくなる。
「待って!行かないでマユリ。。。マユリ!」
私の叫びも届かず、マユリはとうとう私の視界からは見えなくなり――

――はっとして目が覚える。
いつも通り、私達の部屋のベッドの上だった。
「夢。。。」
ただの夢と切り捨てるのは簡単な事だ。
けれど、そうすることができないような引っ掛かりが、私の中にあった。
そして、その予感は以降何度も同じ夢を見るという形で的中した。

>>2127536
Ouch, a little sad to read. Where is this from? I haven't played Akihen or seen any extras whatsoever, so I wouldn't know.

>>2127477
Mayuri was interviewed too, wasn't she?

Can you shift your perspectives and assume that Mayuri disappeared, not left? Because if so, There's no point in whether or not Mayuri should come back later. Not Rikka, but Dalia and Yuzuriha are the ones who're supposed to know the most.

You don't see Mayuri's disappearance as the kernel of the whole series, do you? I can't believe it could be that easy.

I have bad feelings that Suou might get a true bad ending in Fuyu-hen, duh.

>>2127537
Want to ask if this is fanfiction or not. Want me to post the rest?

「どうしたんだ深刻な顔をして、あの日か?」
「え?」
図書室の当番をしていると、いつの間にか八重垣さんが目の前にいた。
どうやら私は車輪の音すら聞こえないくらいに、物思いにふけってえいたらしい。
「・・・マジで心ここにあらずって感じだな。何か悩みか?」
「えぇ、少し。。。}
悩みというのはあの夢のこと。
しかし、私が気にしていてとしても、他の人からすればそれはただの夢。
そう思い、私は言おうか悩む。
そんな私を見て、八重垣さんは口を開いた。
「力になれるかは約束できないが、吐くだけ吐いたら楽になれるかもしれないぜ?勿論、言いたくなかったら無理強いはしないけどな。」
「。。。ありがとう、やえがきさん。」
私の言葉を受け、捻くれつつも心優しい書痴仲間に悩みを打ち明けることにした。
「匂坂の夢、ねぇ。。。」
私が何度も見る夢の話聞いた八重垣さんは考える仕草をする。
「一回だけならともなく、何度も見るならそりゃ気にするか。。。」
「違うの、八重垣さん。」
何度も見ることを気にしてるというのも勿論ある。
けれど、本当に気にしてるのはそこではなかった。
私はその夢の何を気にしているのか、そこを話すことにした。
「。。。もしかたら、あの夢のマユリが言っていたことは、マユリの本心かもしれない。突然いなくなったことも、そういうことなんじゃないって。そう思うと、そのまま私がマユリの手がかりを探すことは正しいことなのかしら。。。」
「なるほどな。。。」

頷く彼女を見て、私はさらに話を続ける。
「立花さんにも言われるの。マユリのことは忘れた方がいいって。だからそのまま忘れてしまったほうがいいのかも。。。」
八重垣さんはそれを聞くと黙って何かを考える。
そして結論を出したような素振りを見せると口を開いた。
「。。。野暮なことを言うなら、私は委員長の意見に賛成だ。残された双の気持ちを考えないで勝手にいなくなるような薄情者の為にわざわざ苦しむ必要は無い」
「そう。。。」
八重垣さんのマユリへの言い回しはかなり厳しいものだったけれど、私のことを思ってそういってくれてるのだと思うと、嬉しく感じる。
そう思ってると、ただ、と八重垣さんが付け加えるように話し始める。
「あくまでこれは私と委員長の意見だ。結論を出すのはお前だ、白羽。このまま匂坂を追うって考えるなら、私たちの意見は流しちまっても構わない」
「えりかさん。。。」
「下の名前で呼ぶなっての。まぁ、じっくり考える。じゃあな」
えりかさんはそう言うと図書室から出て行った。
本を借りていくのも忘れて。
「ありがとう、えりかさん」
私は既に見えなくなった書O仲間に感謝の念を呟いた。、

消灯時間。
立花さんが寝静まっている中、私はベッドに就きつつも寝れずにいた。
八重垣さんとの相談の後。
私は自分の中で答えを探した。
そして、導き出した答えは。
「マユリを、忘れる。。。」
私は決意を固めるため、導いた答えを口に出した。
えりかさんはああ言ってたけど、友達2人の意見を無下はできなかった。
それに、私にはあの夢はマユリからのメッセージだと思えてならなかった。
だとするも、やはり私が思い続けているのは間違いなんだと思う。
だから、忘れることにする。
それが私が出した答だった。
けれど。。。
「簡単に忘れられるわけないじゃない。。。」
マユリとの日々はかけがえの無いもの。
それを簡単に切り捨てることなんて、できるわけがなかった。
けれどこれはマユリの為でもあるはず。
だから忘れなければいけない。
そう思った時、頬を雫が伝えった。
私の涙だった。
それに気づいた時、私は嗚咽していた。
立花さんを起こさないようにと、私は必死に止めようとするも、止まらない。
「ごめんなさい。。。ごめんなさい。。。」
止めることが出来ない涙と嗚咽の中、私はマユリのことを思い懴悔(さんげ)した。
忘れるから、忘れるから、せめて思わせて。
今だけは、あなたの為に泣かせて。。。
そう思い、私は泣いた。
ひとしきり泣いた後、泣き疲れた私はそのまま眠りについた。
その日以来、私はマユリの夢は見なくなった。

*sigh*

>>2127541
Yes, you're right. I'm the type that has a really hard time looking at the bigger picture. Perhaps I don't see it as the kernel of the whole series, and I have extreme difficulty viewing Mayuri's departure as a case of disappearance. I find it doubtful that Dalia would lie to Suou, so when she told Suou that Mayuri was worried about her before she disappeared, I personally fully believe her. For some reason, that line alone makes me think that Mayuri left on her own accord.

Also, I am aware Rikka knows virtually nothing compared to Dalia and Yuzuriha, but still, it feels like she knows more than she's letting on. Doesn't necessarily mean her knowledge would solve the mystery, but the idea is IF Rikka is even the tiniest bit involved, why would she withhold that information from Suou?

I fear a true bad ending for Suou in Fuyuhen as well, but I'm going to remain hopeful. I've got a hunch that Mayuri will make an appearance again in the game, but that doesn't necessarily mean a good end awaits.

>>2127541
It's not the core of the story per se, but Flowers is essentially a coming of age tale for several girls, which I personally believe will wrap everything up on it's fourth and last installment, Fuyu. I honestly can't see them wrapping it up with just having Suoh accepting it and nothing else, I'm sure that even if Mayuri doesn't really come back to the school, Suoh will at least know what happened to her and possibly see her once more. I would say the chances for a bad end are low, though the odds for a bittersweet ending are really high.

>>2127559
so what is your depiction of a true bad ending for Suou?

>>2127550
>私は既に見えなくなった書O仲間に感謝の念を呟いた。
書痴仲間。

>>2127559
>>2126926
> 皆、ごきげんよう匂坂マユリです。私の誕生日を祝ってくれてありがとう。何だか面映いね。遠くない日に皆へ逢えるのを愉しみにしているよ。ありがとう。

She still wants to monopolize Suou? Just kidding. Is it even a possibility? Or that's why Rikka becomes Fuyu-hen's main character again? I think Rikka's personality and her inner thoughts haven't been portrayed much so it's hard to make any speculation.

Mayuri's comeback in Fuyu-hen is a spoiler itself I already knew that, but how the story will go is another matter.

>>2127562
Agreed on all points. I too think that Suou and Mayuri will meet once again.

But what I find the most confusing is why Mayuri disappeared at all. From what I understand, Dalia and the other faculty members only wanted Mayuri and Suou to separate as a couple, otherwise they wouldn't remain as Ameties. Am I missing something, because I thought they could make it work by dating in secrecy and not be Ameties? It wouldn't be the end of the world, and Mayuri wouldn't be wherever the hell she is right now.

>>2127563
Well, I suppose I chose my words rather poorly. Instead of a "bad" end, I meant a "bittersweet" end - something of that essence. Mayuri and Suou meet, something stops them from being able to stay together and ultimately, they let go of each other? Or something crazier like Mayuri admitting she never really loved Suou or Mayuri is a different person when she shows herself again.

Just as a side note, I wonder if Mayuri's going to be like The Miner.

Okay, hold on. I haven't actually played through Akihen yet, so for those who have and are contributing to the Mayuri discussion, I want to ask:

Are there any spoilers as to how much is revealed in Akihen? By that, I mean, does Yuzuriha or Dalia say anything that about Mayuri that could be a clue?

>>2127567
That's my definition of a "bad end", even though they tell us to forget all troubles to enjoy that beautiful Yuri world. My only possible happy ending is unrealistically staying together forever. But they're just a bunch of 14-year-old kids. Mayuri disappeared before her birthday Maybe there are too much to ask.

Let's wait for another two good months to see what'll happen.

>>2127573
i'll be fine if they don't get together people always grow apart in life

>>2127551
>ひとしきり泣いた後、泣き疲れた私はそのまま眠りについた。
>その日以来、私はマユリの夢は見なくなった。

Ouch, that hurt a lot more than I thought it would. Good thing it's just a fanfic, right?

>>2127573
Why specifically two months? For an announcement date perhaps?

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I think I found a clue that hints Mayuri will be returning to the school somehow. Most likely as a student, but maybe as a visitor.

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>>2127607
Look at this. Why the hell would she come back as a visitor for? To officially break up with Suou? If that's the case she'd better to never show her face in front of Suou again.

>>2127497
>Personally I think all the clues are already on the first game, it wouldn't be very interesting if the clues are only on the fourth game.
It's not going to be something you can work out from Spring. The additional information in Summer and Fall has already made that much obvious.

is there any links beside the nyaa ones?

I've got this nagging feeling that Rikka has something to do with Mayuri's disappearance. It smells fishy how easily she accepted Suoh and Mayuri's relationship. She seems like the type who can't let things go.

>>2127915
Riiiight? I thought the same thing at first and while I still am suspicious, I feel like the way she behaves in Natsu-hen is particularly shady, but it seems that Yaegaki thinks otherwise. Logically, I would think Rikka is innocent, especially because in Haru-hen, she shared the same confusion as Suou when Dalia told them Mayuri left the school, but my overactive imagination is telling me not to accept it so easily.

>>2128040
>I would think Rikka is innocent, especially because in Haru-hen, she shared the same confusion as Suou when Dalia told them Mayuri left the school
Wasn't she with Dalia though? What was she even doing there in the first place? She clearly wasn't there for a tea party.
Also, I thought that it was estabilished that she has low blood pressure and needs the other two Amities to wake her up in the morning, so I immediately thought that the whole situation was suspicious.

>>2128093
Yes, she was with Dalia, but Suou concluded it was because Dalia had intended to tell Rikka about what she told Suou (breaking up with Mayuri). Still, I can see it being suspicious how Rikka was up so early (far before 9 - and as I mentioned before, if Mayuri left, Rikka likely would've heard it as she is on the bottom bunk) and I feel like she was the one who sought out Dalia and not the other way around. That's just a hunch though...

Also, I believe Rikka led Dalia to Suou since Rikka was I THINK the only person who knew of their secret date that day. But Yaegaki found out because someone told her - which might be Rikka.

Yaegaki has stated time and time again that she doesn't know where Mayuri went, so I'm not skeptical of her. In Natsu-hen, I don't know if Rikka defended Mayuri (in the church scene when Chidori asks about Mayuri) out of consideration for Suou, or because she too cared for Mayuri as a good friend.

But it is also very possible that Rikka is a psychopath or something. She seemed to be a bit jealous of Suou and Mayuri being able to accept each other's traumatic confessions so easily, plus she was the one who hastily ousted the two during the tea party (which she claimed was to make things easier). In doing so, she inadvertently put Suou in a tough position (choosing between her Ameties or Mayuri).

Moreover, what if Dalia gave Rikka the same ultimatum back when she announced HER relationship with Suou? Rikka, knowing the outcomes, could've possibly cornered Suou into the same hole by ousting her relationship with Mayuri.

>>2128102
>Moreover, what if Dalia gave Rikka the same ultimatum back when she announced HER relationship with Suou?
But in Suoh's case it was during an Amitie interview, which coincidentally happened after she and Mayuri started dating.
The question is: was this really a coincidence? Or did they stage the whole thing because they needed a bullshit excuse to separate these two?
If that's the case, there could even be a slight chance that Rikka is blackmailing Dalia or even some bigwig.
Just for curiosity though, does she make any move on Suoh in the other chapters? Or does she act supportive all the time?

Actually I feel a bit bad for suspecting her because to me she doesn't look like a psychopath to me - I believe that it's hard to accept someone's issues especially if you have never experienced something similar - but then again who else could have any interest in making Mayuri disappear?

>>2128126
I doubt it was a coincidence, but I'm having a hard time imagining Rikka blackmailing any higher ups, honestly. I find it interesting that she doesn't feel remorse over blackmailing Suou - she only apologized for making her feel uncomfortable. Suou also overlooked the blackmailing and felt like she was responsible for the whole ordeal. Also intriguing that neither Suou nor Rikka accepted each other fully (Suou couldn't let herself date Rikka and kiss her, meanwhile Rikka was unable to accept Suou's past).

What I feel is the most suspicious is definitely how easily Rikka accepted Mayuri and Suou's relationship, because I'm sure Rikka basically confirmed Suou was in love with Mayuri when Rikka tried to force a kiss on her, but was rejected. I mean, Rikka's whole trauma was because no one would ever accept her - and Suou failed to do so as well. How is it possible that Rikka got over it so fast?

I don't think she tries to hit on Suou in Haru-hen after, but she does call her "Suou-san" again in Natsu-hen, and even energetically tried to tag along to help guide Chidori around the school when Suou was roped into it by Yaegaki. She also seems to be very conscious of Suou's feelings and constantly worries over her, but frankly, we don't see too much of Rikka (other than her being the iincho and all) in Natsu. Anything about Mayuri is mostly Yaegaki being reminded of her save for two scenes that I can hardly remember (one being the church scene and the other with Suou checking out her artwork).

Basically, Rikka does show signs of being shady, BUT it's not much to go off of. You could even pass it off as plain Rikka being a suuuper caring friend.

>>2128130
>What I feel is the most suspicious is definitely how easily Rikka accepted Mayuri and Suou's relationship, because I'm sure Rikka basically confirmed Suou was in love with Mayuri when Rikka tried to force a kiss on her, but was rejected. I mean, Rikka's whole trauma was because no one would ever accept her - and Suou failed to do so as well. How is it possible that Rikka got over it so fast?
I also asked myself the same question, which is another reason why I believe that, even if she's not exactly the evil mastermind, she's at least withholding some vital information.
In the end, she's the only one benefitting from the whole situation because now she has Suoh all to herself so that's why I asked about her behaviour in the other chapters.

>>2128146
What sucks is we don't know nearly enough about Rikka. I haven't played Aki-hen (will be getting to it in the next two days) yet, so I have no idea how much Yuzuriha knows about Mayuri. At the moment, I'm going through Natsu-hen, but again, it seems to be focused mostly on Yaegaki and Chidori. There ARE a lot of references to Mayuri as I've said, but that's primarily because Chidori seems to remind Yaegaki of her. Yaegaki doesn't know enough, and it sucks! Damn you, Erika!

Also, my memory is super fuzzy because I haven't played through Natsu since last year, but I believe Suou finds a painting of Mayuri and deduces a hidden message from it, but does not tell Yaegaki what the message is and Yaegaki does not ask about it. Wonder what it is...

Honestly, Rikka does seem to be benefitting the most, although I have doubts of her being involved. At this point, I don't think she'd be the type to go out of her way and force Mayuri to leave, and how would she get anybody to listen to her anyway?

What makes me the most curious right now is why Mayuri comes back in the winter... or rather, how? She withdrew from the school, so would they let her back so easily? The other anon is right - why would she come back if she left out of her own accord?

Erika is cute!
CUTE

http://www.bilibili.com/video/av3471357/index_7.html

That video was uploaded for Innocent Grey's 10th anniversary. It's from Mayuri's pov.

>>2128431
Is that not the opening for Innocent Grey's 10th Anniversary Concert (with Shimotsuki Haruka, Aji Sanma, Sueki Aya and Suzuyu)? I say that while looking right at the title of the video. And I believe the person in the video is either young Kuchiki Touko or less likely, young Kayahara Yukiko (incidentally voiced by the same person who did Mayuri).

And for the record to anyone reading this: Innocent Grey did release a batch of videos for their 10th anniversary, each starring a single narrator from their games. I don't remember seeing the Flowers one since I found the videos while looking for Kara no Shoujo. They released seven videos, each acting as one of the seven deadly sins. The narrations themselves potentially contain spoilers from their respective games, but nothing beyond that. It was done primarily to celebrate their anniversary.

>>2128439
Ohh I guess it linked to the OP.
Mayuri's video is "Lust".

>>2128441
I'm also on mobile, so maybe that has to do with it? Haha.

But anyway, I'll check it out soon. I figured Mayuri's would be lust because, well, you know. Anyway, I'm not expecting anything that has to do with her disappearance, sadly, but should be a fun two minute watch regardless.

Ah, the announcement date for Fuyu-hen can't come soon enough.

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>>2128431
So basically She decided to run away on her own will? Because love between girls is forbidden? The last lines displayed in the center of the screen are indeed Mayuri's. Don't know what to think anymore.

And what does she really mean by 『私たちは結ばれた。』 when they were in the library room? Something more intimate than just holding hands and kissing?

>>2128471
Just watched it and had the same thoughts.

Her words are indeed hinting that she decided to run away on her own volition. When she does come back in Fuyu-hen, I have high hopes that Suou and Mayuri will tackle this problem together.

It seems that Mayuri might not have gotten over her past yet?

If I had to theorize, I would think Mayuri planned to run away sometime during the Yatsushiro assault case, but Suou unexpectedly came to the rescue. That might not have been enough to get Mayuri to change her mind, and so she selfishly delved into her desire to be with Suou to fill herself up with happiness before taking her leave.

There might be parts of Mayuri's past that we aren't aware of yet either.

Anyway, I believe the 『私たちは結ばれた。』 line does refer to their time in the library. I thought it was hinted that they went all the way when they were holding hands, laying by the windowsill with the WHITE background.

>>2128477
『あの人の意志を受け入れ』

I'm pretty sure that's hinting that somebody made Mayuri leave.

>>2128481
Interesting. For some reason, I had just assumed it was a thing of the past that prompted her to leave.

This makes me way more hyped for Fuyu-hen than before.

Now the real question is: Who wanted Mayuri to leave? And when exactly was she given that option to go? I'm assuming she was given a choice based on the video.

Somehow, I feel like Mayuri had a similar interview with Dalia where she was possibly given a set of options to choose from. Whatever she chose, she must've believed more good would come out of it than bad.

If that's the case, then maybe what Mayuri whispered to Dalia during the Returning of the Veil was her decision. Dalia's anger might have been because she believes Mayuri chose the wrong option?

>>2128471
I think it's cool that her voice sounds happy with a hint of sorrow when she says 「充たされた私はー」, but then the lines afterwards are almost brimming with frustration, perhaps even anger.

>>2128481
Rikka's images floating in my mind.

How could her love interest (from Rikka to Suou) change that fast?

Mayuri is quite an actress, isn't she? Nevertheless, why couldn't she just tell Suou that she was leaving? What will Rikka's role be as one of the main characters in Fuyu-hen?

I wish someone could tell me what did Mayuri hint on her painting found by Suou.

I wonder who Dalia was protecting during the hookman case.

A question for those who have played Aki-hen (I'm going through it right now):

Does Suou end up winning the student council election? Or does she win by default since Yuzuriha and Nerine are gone (or so I've read)?

If so, I think it would be interesting to see Fuyu-hen play out with Suou as the council president.

>>2128640
Yuzuriha would have ended her time as president anyway, regardless of whether Suoh won, even before she left.

If no one qualified for the presidency (the requirements are much stricter than just winning an election) there would have simply not been anyone in the position, which isn't unusual.

Suoh does manage to meet the requirements.

Can someone tell me how to get Bad End 5? I got all other endings already, including Rikka's and got wrong answers on all "Now Thinking".

>>2129082
Have you got the ending where you've made too many yellow choices to get Mayuri End and don't take the branch to Rikka End?

>>2129091
Oh, that might be it, thanks onee-sama

I hope we get a small OVA or something with Fuyu. T-that's why it's taking them so long for the announcement date, right?

>>2129257
What, an announcement so soon? I thought Aki-hen was just released like 3 months ago ;_;

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Suou: (She seems nice, but there's something...)

Not tagged as a spoiler because this is like not even 5 minutes into the first game.

>>2129311
It was triggering memories of her cruel step-mother

>>2129257
>so long
None of the others had been properly announced this early

I just finished Mayuri's route WHAT THE FUCK WHY DID SHE LEAVE I'M SO FUCKING PISSED AND SAD AT THE SAME TIME WHAT KIND OF FUCKING BULLSHIT WAS THAT I DON'T FUCKING UNDERSTAND

>>2129403
Chill out, dude. She did that for a REASON. Read the thread before jumping to your own conclusions. Also read onto Natsu and Aki-hen.

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Have you thanked Clint Eastwood today?

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>>2128481
"I accepted that person's will"

I wonder why she uses "isshi" here. Personally I think i hints that she accepted an order of some form (probably her dad since he was mentioned several times) from her parents.

Re-reading haru (well, I'm reading the translation and read the Japanese version before), and I love how Erika asks Suoh to princess carry her, when it's what happens on Natsu

>>2129618
To me, it almost sounds like she still felt guilty for loving girls. And so, not wanting to be greedier and more selfish than she already has been, she accepted "that person"'s will and decided that she would leave.

My interpretation of it is that since she had already received so much happiness (充たされて私はー) from Suou, she refrained from seeking more and was being threatened or forced by someone to make a decision ("あの人"の意志を受け入れ). In the end, she made the choice (possibly out of a set of options) to "disappear" from Suou's side (君の元から消えようと決めた).

Her dad is a possibility, but I think there are other people that are suspicious. Dalia, Rikka, the caretaker she fell in love with come to mind... but maybe even those who you wouldn't even expect could be involved.

In any case, I feel like this is enough confirmation for me that Mayuri indeed loves Suou and didn't just leave her behind for the hell of it.

Also, for those who have played Natsu-hen:

I skipped most of the game to unlock the true end, but I'm thinking back to the scene when they were performing Rapunzel. Erika notes that Dalia has someone standing next to her. Who could it be?

>>2129726
It was Chidori who spotted the figures; Erika hadn't noticed them. Erika suggested it would have been Dalia, but Chidori said there had been two.

It's likely the same person who, after Suoh had investigated Mayuri's work in the art club room, went there too and Dalia helped them avoid being caught by Erika and co. by pretending to faint.

>>2129758
Whoops, my bad. I couldn't remember if it was Erika or Chidori who spotted two figures. I wonder if this person will be revealed in Fuyu-hen. For all we know, it could be someone involved in the Mayuri case.

Also, I've just started playing Aki-hen (like, 15 minutes into it), so not far at all. I wonder who Dalia likes/liked, since I believe she has been surrounded by women her whole life? I mean, with a few exceptions such as her father.

>>2129766
It pretty much has to be someone involved with Mayuri's case. Such as Mayuri herself.

Katabami Tamaki, the dorm leader who gets mentioned quite a bit Aki-hen, is implied to be someone who Dalia is close with.

>>2129783
At first, I had doubts it could be Mayuri herself since other students might see her, but it's possible it could be her considering Dalia did everything in her power to stop the others from looking in that direction.

Is it possible in some way that Mayuri left the painting with the message in the art room during that time, and Suou found it a bit later? I have no idea because I have yet to reread the game properly.

>>2129792
The fact that she could leave the school so quickly without anybody noticing is really suspicious. I wouldn't exclude the fact that she never actually left the school, with Dalia covering for her.

>>2129795
Very true. If anything, Rikka would've noticed if she took her stuff and left. Mayuri was last seen (in the player's perspective) staring at the night sky and confirming the next day would bring good hiking weather. Wonder what happened during that time until Suou woke up.

Also, I don't think the kind and compassionate Mayuri would have the heart to lie (only withhold the truth), so I wonder why she seemed so excited for the self-weather forecast and even smiled at Suou if she knew she wouldn't be able to go on the date with her? I mean, it's possible that Mayuri knew at that point she had to leave, but I'm thinking MAYBE Mayuri thought she could go on her last date with Suou and didn't expect to be pulled away without so much of a moment's notice.

But what's the motive behind all of this? I thought the "Lust" video suggested that the person who ordered Mayuri to "disappear" has something against girls liking other girls, but I could be wrong.

And the plot thickens. What if somebody forced Mayuri to leave, but Dalia was against it and decided to secretly shelter Mayuri? Feigning disappearances seems to be pretty easy at this school... Thinking back to the Sasaki case, that is.

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The heck is this?

So my questions for the Mayuri case are (which cannot be answered yet, I believe):


1) Who asked Mayuri to leave/gave her the option to leave?

2) Did she really leave the school or has she been in hiding this whole time?

3) Did the person who asked her to leave dislike the fact that Mayuri was dating another girl? Or were they against her dating Suou in particular?

4) Why did they ask Mayuri to go? Or at least offer her the option to leave?


I'm excited for Fuyu-hen. What I'm afraid of is Mayuri only showing up at the end, because I feel like that would be a bit dull. But I'm pretty sure that won't be the case. Suou said herself that if Mayuri ever disappeared, she would look for her like she did with the Sasakis. I'm secretly hoping that was foreshadowing something (other than the disappearance).

And with Suou possibly becoming the next president of Nicaea, that should make Fuyu-hen an interesting story.

>>2130233
A massage

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>>2129810
How could you not tell her why you left, being there the whole time watching her suffering immensely from not very far without doing anything? How the f*** could you endure that? I can't wait to see the scene when Erika throws a punch at Mayuri for real. She deserves that. Poor Suou.

>>2130233
Crippled bullying.

A bit of a random question, but is there a track for Tota Pulchra es Maria without the vocals? I know the BGM plays a couple times in the game, but it's not in the OST or in the gallery after full completion (which is why I feel like it's unlikely I will find it anywhere).

>>2131008
Ripped from the game.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/70647756/bgm10p.ogg

>>2131226
I love you so much.

It's such a beautiful track, and now I can listen to it on repeat without opening the game itself. Gonna play this on my piano when I have the chance as well.

Well I finished the first game and damn that was a major disappointment.

Luckily my favorite character was Erika, so the second game can't be worse... can it?

>>2131712
I personally loved the first game, especially with the knowledge that more games awaited afterwards. But to each their own.

If Erika was your favorite character, then yeah, the second game is much better... with a much happier ending.

>>2131268
The second game is my favorite one, I think you'll love it. Chidori is a great character as well, and as the other anon said, it ends on a much happier note.

Where is the information I need to get past Wheelchair girl's mystery? I don't feel like guessing or asking for answers directly, but I'd certainly like to get past it and continue on with the story.

>>2132252
I'm pretty sure that it's impossible to solve without guessing, at least in the english version. It's one of those things that will surely be lost in translation because each book contains the name of a flower, and each character's name is associated with the name of a flower, included wheelchair girl.

>>2132255

This makes me feel less stupid. One of my biggest frustrations with VN is not knowing where or how I went wrong.

>>2132255
>>2132281

I've figured out her name, but I seem to have exhausted my possibilities in the first two questions. Do prior decisions have any impact on the outcome?

>>2132361
Yes.

>>2132366

That explains it. I was pretty damn close on my first guess, but it seems I will need to backtrack a lot.

Why must it be so inflexible?

This idea just came to me right now...

Assuming Suou and Mayuri went all the way in the library... or even without that assumption, what if somebody saw those two together?

The IG 10th anniversary video hints that Mayuri, after feeling satisfied (with their confession CG poses in the background, which might be a hint), accepted someone else's decision for her to "disappear" from the school. This can either mean that she was offered the choice to/forced to leave before she even confessed to Suou, OR the option was given to her after they were found out at the tea party UNLESS the person that wants her to leave is Rikka. The only person that knew of their relationship from the time they confessed to each up until the tea party was Rikka, after all.

I also can't seem to shake off that Yaegaki knew of their date - something only Rikka was aware of since she contributed ideas for Suou. She must've been the one who brought Dalia to Suou as well.

But some part of me doesn't think Rikka did it at all and that after she realized her feelings for Suou were nothing but shallow, she gave up on her.

There's obviously something missing, but I don't know what... and obviously the mystery can't be fully solved until the fourth game comes out, but I'm just too eager and want to formulate theories that make sense given the information that we currently have.

>>2132527
>I also can't seem to shake off that Yaegaki knew of their date - something only Rikka was aware of since she contributed ideas for Suou. She must've been the one who brought Dalia to Suou as well.

I noticed the same thing and I thought it was too strange that Erika knew about it, especially since she tells Suoh that a "little bird" told her. Why would Rikka tell Erika about something that was supposed to be a secret?

Also during the tea party, when she murmurs "this is great" shortly after having outed Suoh and Mayuri's relationship to everyone, even though, when questioned about it, she answers that she said that because she had hoped it would be a sunny day for a tea party and her prayers had been answered.
I thought that was a bit strange, but maybe I'm reading too much into it.

>writer tries to show Rikka being nice
>anons misinterpret as suspicious

>>2132361
It's only the questions that clearly during the mystery solving bit that determine whether you get a bad end for that chapter

How likely is the chance of this series getting an anime adaptation?

>>2132566
Very unlikely.
Which is good, because an anime wouldn't do it justice; the art in the VN's too beautiful.

>>2132549
>>2132540

I think if there weren't so many little hints, I would completely agree that Rikka was just being nice.

Her feelings for Suou were, for the most part, a little misguided. She sought the care, warmth and acceptance that Suou seemed to have an unlimited supply of, but above all, she knew Suou was a huge pushover. But even the all-loving Suou pushed her away, so she backed down immediately. Not even she would accept her - the scars that Rikka beared since childhood were shrugged off.

Afterwards, even I began to think all was well again. I actually thought that after the church confession scene, Rikka developed a new sense of understanding... that when she couldn't fully accept Suou's scars, she realized how tough it must be for someone else to do the same for her. If there were no hints afterwards, I would've directed little of my suspicion towards Rikka.

But no, the hints that were dropped (Rikka being on the bottom bunk, Rikka telling Yaegaki about the date, Rikka muttering to herself about something being "great", Rikka being the one to readily oust Suou and Mayuri, Rikka bringing Dalia to Suou, etc) made me feel incredibly uneasy... and I realized then that hardly anything went Rikka's way. This might be kind of a stretch, but she might've attended the academy to search for a place to belong or be praised by others. I mulled it over a bit, and isn't it possible that Rikka might've been jealous of Suou readily accepting Mayuri's scars, but not hers?

And the nail in the coffin would be if she saw the two of them making out afterwards or even kissing on the gazebo in a later scene. Everything we've been seeing has been from Suou's perspective, who firmly believes a relationship between two Amities wouldn't necessarily disturb the third person... and she is speaking from her experience. I've gotten so used to Suou being right all the time that I never considered her being wrong. What if Rikka DID mind their relationship?

>>2132744
You're pretty bad at interpreting what was going on.

Like, Rikka being the one who said Suoh and Mayuri were dating was showing that she would help support them. There was a potentially awkward love triangle scandal brewing, which Nerine had put her foot in, but Rikka defused it.

>>2132774
Not that anon, but what they said makes sense given that we really don't know her true intentions.
What if the thing you mentioned in the spoiler was just her keeping a low profile because she already knew that she had a trump card in store?
After all, there would be no need to cause a ruckus if things were already going according to keikaku.
Mind you, I'm not saying that Rikka is an evil genius who is just pretending to be nice, but there are too many things that just don't add up, especially her behaviour during the day of Mayuri's disappearance.

>>2132784
It's just twisting things to be paranoid "hints".

>>2132784
>>2132774
I forgot to add: the love triangle thing could have been easily avoided since Suoh or Mayuri could have just brushed it off as a playful act between good friends, but Rikka jumped in as soon as she had the chance and outed them. Even Suoh suspected that she did it out of resentment towards their relationship.

>>2132787
You're free to believe otherwise, but I don't believe that what me and the other anon pointed out is just us being paranoid.
She most likely knows something and for some reason she doesn't want to tell Suoh about it.

>>2132774
>>2132784
I'm open to the idea that someone else is the cause of Mayuri's disappearance.

It's just that Rikka's actions haven't been adding up is all. Yeah, she may not be an evil mastermind, but we all know so little about Rikka and her feelings. She's got it in her to blackmail Suou and as a result, almost completely destroyed the relationship between the three of them. From the beginning, Rikka's the type to have very strong feelings, like it's all or nothing. She shot hateful glares in Mayuri's direction after she was selected for the Virgin Mary role, she felt the need to blackmail, she's a stickler for the rules, etc.

Point is, I'm only suspecting Rikka so much because of all of these hints. Call it paranoia if you will, but something's not adding up.

The MAIN thing that bothers me is that Rikka never got any proper closure for her wounds. Being adopted and then compared to someone else her whole life - that can be extremely mentally taxing. On top of that, she was rejected by someone that is usually too kindhearted to say no, and her other Amitie stole the Virgin Mary role and the affections of Suou from right under her feet. Even though most of that tension seems to have been resolved (from Suou's perspective), feelings don't usually clear up that quickly.

BUT I'm only offering my interpretation here. 100%, the biggest reason why all of my doubt is pointed in Rikka's direction right now is because I'm too dumb to think of anyone else that could be involved and I don't know their motives or the things I should be skeptical of.

The cover of the game and the end of the "Lust" video COULD potentially imply that the person who wanted Mayuri gone is someone who does not approve of love between girls (「女の子を好きに慣ったらいけないのですか?」)

I would genuinely be interested in hearing other theories though, and thoughts about who else should be suspected of throwing Mayuri out.

>>2132789
That wouldn't have avoided it. Rumors would have started eventually and if they were trying to keep it secret that would have made it seem worse. Suoh was supposed to have been dating Rikka. Rikka using that opportunity to make it clear that she didn't have a problem with it was to minimize trouble for them.

If she's keeping anything it will be probably be in accordance with what Mayuri decided.

>>2132796
I mean, I think if they were very careful about it and had a better defense on the spot, they might've even gotten away with it. All Rikka had to say was "I don't know if they're dating, but I suppose I forgot to mention that Suou and I have broken up."

Actually, thinking about it now, that might be suspicious in itself. Their classmates would start to believe that Suou had the hots for Mayuri (which she does, of course), which would be troublesome in itself.

Something else that I found unfortunate was that in the bad end where Mayuri doesn't show up to the church after their Tota Pulchra es Maria performance, the game ends so quickly and we don't see if Mayuri disappears in that route as well.

Nonetheless, even if Rikka isn't the all-knowing evil mastermind, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume she's at least hiding something.

Looks like for those interested in the physical edition for Flowers but would rather not order it from JList, it's now being sold on RightStuf...though it's shipping next month

>>2132827
May I ask why some people would rather avoid JList? I'm genuinely clueless. As in, is there anything wrong with their service?

I ask because I recently made my first purchase ever on JList for the physical edition of Flowers (and also bought the Natsu-hen and Aki-hen ones from Amazon.co.jp, heh).

>>2131226
did the link expire? does someone has a new link?

Is it worth getting the limited edition? From what the images show the "figures" are actually just acrylic cutouts. Is this true for the physical product as well?

>>2132977
If you're asking whether the actual shipped product gives 3d figures, then no. The figures are definitely just acrylic cutouts; real figures would cost a lot more than 40$, and I don't believe any exist for Flowers even in Japan.

>>2131226
can I have a new link?

>>2132795
No one could ever get a closure for their wounds. Period. Love or acceptance from some strangers you've just met in two months isn't gonna mend your heart back to the way it were.
Mayuri didn't freaking steal anything from Rikka, for what it's worth.

> 「女の子を好きに慣ったらいけないのですか?」 Most protagonists and main characters including Suou IIRC all said it in the PVs. This 「あの人の意志を受け入れた」 is self- explanatory, isn't it? It could be interpreted as that person didn't want them to continue the relationship. Mayuri was given some options and chose to "leave" the academy, like the anon said

By the way, who the f*** would think that Erika has something against Suou?

>>2132800
> a better defense
Did you all forget the dorm's manager? Dalia would've come to know either way.

>doesn't show up
The bad endings generally are pretty shitty. You don't fall out of love with someone just because they failed a single performance.

>evil mastermind
I believe in Erika's judgment.

>>2133063
I didn't mean closure for her wounds permanently - I just meant that if anything, there was no resolution for Rikka at all and it almost felt like her wounds were cracked wide open rather than patched up. Overall, Rikka's taken a lot of beating throughout the two games that I've played (haven't found the time for Aki-hen yet). Besides, the point isn't that Rikka's wounds haven't been healed, it's that the way Suou rejected her during the scene in the classroom made it seem like not even the softest, kindest person she knew would accept her.

In any case, what I wanted to get across is that it's POSSIBLE Rikka feels emotionally alone, and it could've pushed her into being involved with Mayuri's case. The lack of acceptance for Rikka's past isn't the only reason why I suspect her, but she isn't the only person I'm open to doubting either, provided that you or someone else puts other theories on the table.

Also, I am the anon that keeps stressing that Mayuri was given the option to leave. And I have never once thought Erika had something against Suou. Who gave you that idea?

I haven't played Aki-hen, and haven't seen this Katabami person yet.

And what do you mean when you say you believe in Erika's judgment? I trust her as well, but I'm not sure what you're referring to in this case.

Just finished the game, loved it, it was better than expected but oh boy that ending. After getting the true Mayuri ending I don't have the heart to play Rikka's route.

I really hope the next 3 games get localized, I'm interested to know what happens with the other characters but I mainly want to know how they will continue what happened at the end of the first one, but for that I guess we'll have to play all 4 games.

>>2133180
>After getting the true Mayuri ending I don't have the heart to play Rikka's route.
Do it, there are some really cute moments, not just with her, but with other characters such as Nerine and Erika as well.

>>2133187
I know I'm missing out, but I also know I would feel pretty bad for Mayuri and Suoh after their departure. I can only see me doing that after playing all 4 games and learning how their story truly ends.

>>2131008
>>2131226
the link expired, does anyone have a working link?

>>2133188
I see where you're coming from, especially since the choices from that route are all so depressing, because you always have to pick the ones where Suoh never works up the courage to improve herself.
Though you can just take it as a "what if" scenario which never really happened. It made me appreciate more the true route, honestly.

I'm not sure if I'm recalling correctly, but we were never told why the five girls left the school during the Bloody Mary case, right? Maybe a one or two of them met the same fate as Mayuri? But even I think it's highly unlikely, and that they all left due to homesickness or an inability to get familiar with the school.

>>2133180
This. I finished the VN some days ago, and i really loved it too, it was awesome, and yes, after the cute story between Suoh and Mayuri, i don't even want to bother with Rikka's route.

But, to be honest, i really didn't liked Rikka at all, i don't know if it's just me, but, there was something off with her, i mean, come on, someone who make ''blackmail'' and forced a relationship, no matter the reason, is just a shitty person, from my point of view at least.

Anyway, i hope they can localized the other parts soon. Honestly, i don't want to wait 2 years or something to continue the story.

>>2133651
I was very shocked when Rikka blackmailed Suou. I mean, they're just 14-15 year old girls though. Can't say I was the most innocent when I was at that age either, but now, some years later, I've developed a conscience and an incredibly strong sense of responsibility.

Still, I'm a little surprised that Rikka isn't more remorseful for what she did. Suou tried to take responsibility for the whole blackmailing situation, but that doesn't excuse Rikka's actions.

>>2133327
The choices for rikka route make no fucking sense, you have to say the opposite of what she wants in a lot of cases.

>>2133704
She's just being a tsundere, anon.

Am I the only one who likes Rikka here?

Despite what she did, at least her feelings felt more true to me than Mayuri's towards Suoh.

Mayuri sudden change of affection from Rikka to Suoh seems too contrived.I'd prefer Mayuri staying in love with Rikka and playing out the love triangle.

So like is dalia a optional route

>>2133708
I agree wholeheartedly.

I played this blindly and tried to go for a Rikka route... that was frustrating, you choose everything in favor of Rikka and then out of nowhere in the last chapter Souh starts liking Mayuri (since you can't get the Rikka's ending first) just to get a bad ending anyway..

Maybe it was because of that, but I couldn't feel the Mayuri route at all.

>>2133710
Yes, except she'll never love you.

Seems like I wasn't the only one who lost the motivation to go through Rikka's route.
To be honest, Mayuri realizing that she was in love with Suoh and not Rikka isn't any less "real" than Rikka's feelings for Suoh. They're still kids, so sometimes they can be oblivious to their own feelings.
What happened to Mayuri happens a lot in real life.

>>2133708
In Mayuri's defense, in a sense, she never "loved" Rikka. Let's not debate the true meaning of "love" here, but what I'm saying is that while Mayuri lusted and yearned for her, her feelings were very shallow and misguided. In the first place, I'm pretty sure what happened was that in Mayuri's head, Rikka took over the role as the person she once loved, who would take care of her and show her the motherly love she never received. She didn't see Rikka as her own person, and so she didn't love Rikka. The whole time, she was thinking about the caretaker that she held feelings for.

I don't think Mayuri's feelings for the caretaker were fake or false, but obviously, there's too much of a difference in maturity.

In any case, the love Mayuri had for Suou started out very subtle and went unnoticed, but I believe it was always there. Suou planted a seed in her heart probably around the time she found her in the rain, and it only started to sprout and grow rapidly during the Yatsushiro case.

I think Mayuri's sudden shift of feelings could've used a bit more convincing as a reader though, so I agree with you there. However, for me, it didn't take away from the experience and I could genuinely feel the love Mayuri held for Suou.

>>2133704
It's really a Suoh being negative and making bad choices route. Rikka just has an alternative ending that branches off it.

>>2133721
Thank you anon for defending Mayuri. Be that as it may, I disagree that Mayuri didn't love Rikka. Why won't we all come back to the scene in which Suou confessed to Mayuri? Mayuri's love for each one of them is real. Why should there be any kind of comparison here? 「移ろわないなんてものはない。立花さんを好きだったマユリさんの心も本当。お手伝いさんを好きになったことも本当。」 The same goes with Rikka/Mayuri's feelings towards Suou >>2133708
We know too little about Rikka so theorizing more about her without solid evidence isn't the best practice. Let's all wait for Fuyu-hen to come.

> In any case..
>>2133721
To add to this, >>2133708 Do you remember what Mayuri said about her revelations influenced by the movie which Suou had recommended her earlier in the green house? It feels strangely abrupt, Mayur's aware of that but, again, her love for Suou is genuine.


>>2133712
Suou has fallen for Mayuri from the first day she saw her under the cherry trees. Mayuri's the one who only comes to realize that she's been in love with Suou in chapter 7, which I believe. I hated it every time I had to choose Rikka's choice. It's more like it's not about favoring any girl in particular but how Suou grows as person by embracing her traumatic childhood and opening herself up more over the course of spring. Personally, I can't not for the life of me imagining Rikka with Suou or even Mayuri.

>>2133719
> Seems like...
I don't give a damn about Rikka, either but playing Rikka's route would give you a warm start into reading Natsu-hen afterwards.If it hadn't been for the fact that Erika has two older sisters, I wouldn't been lost as to why Erika frequently mentioned her second older sister in Natsu-hen to the point that my unusual brain started to interpret that she'd had a thing for her sister (since Dalia resembles her.)

>>2133704
So you know what Suou really wants in every case? Great.

>>2133774
Not the other anon, but I mean, Suou did say she wanted to become more like the protagonists she has come across in the books she reads. She wanted to make new friends and to become just a bit braver than she used to be - I guess?

Either way, the choices you make to get into Rikka's routes all seem to push Suou right back into the shell she's secluded herself within for years rather than giving her the opportunity to hatch and grow as a person.

I do think it sucks that you have to make the crappier choices to get to Rikka's route though. Come on, Shimizu Hatsumi, is it not impossible for Suou to become braver AND win over Rikka as well? :'(

>>2133773
I get what you're saying and while I'm not the other anon, I actually completely forgot about that scene in the greenhouse where Mayuri talks about the Charlie Chaplin movie! Thinking back on it makes me feel a bit happy.

But anyway, what I wanted to say was yeah, I do think Mayuri loved Rikka, but in a much different way. I didn't really mean to say that Mayuri never loved her, but I at least wanted to point out that Mayuri shifted most of her feelings towards Rikka after meeting her. Her feelings for Rikka were very much so real, but... it's definitely not as the same as what she feels for Suou.

Oh, I guess the point I tried to get across in my last post was that Mayuri didn't love Rikka for being Rikka - she liked her because she was a much more attainable version of her first love. Her feelings were there and they were real, but she was definitely confused.

BUT that's just how I interpreted it at first! I can imagine different interpretations of Mayuri's feelings as well though.

Nevertheless, I really think Suou and Mayuri's relationship is truly beautiful, but could've used more development before Mayuri disappeared. At the same time, I suppose the main point of the first game was to show the growth of Shirahane Suou more than anything, and to that end, I was very satisfied. I love how both Suou and Mayuri's characters were written.

Mayuri loved Rikka, and fell in love with Suoh.
Mayuri developed "feelings" for Rikka because the latter reminded her of the woman she used to love.
Mayuri loved Rikka, but she wasn't in love with her.
Mayuri's feelings for Suoh were kind of... always there? Like Mayuri herself said, it took her a long time before she realized that she was in love with Suoh.

>>2133783
>Mayuri's feelings for Suoh were kind of... always there? Like Mayuri herself said, it took her a long time before she realized that she was in love with Suoh.
I started getting this impression in ch 6, when Mayuri was in the library, thinking about her Amitié partners. She was thinking about the "person she likes" and then Suoh pops up in her mind. Then she comments "I am a fickle woman". I don't know if the translation was accurate because it was a bit vague, but I got the impression that her feelings were starting to change ever since then.

>>2133785
Oh indeed. If you see the scene in the church (after Mayuri was chosen) where they're practicing right before that, Mayuri notes that rather than seeing "that person" (her caretaker) in Rikka, she saw the resemblance in Suou instead while she was at the piano. And then she went to the library, where she hints that her feelings are slowly shifting towards Suou.

So, can we expect to see Winter translated in our lifetime?

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This from previous thread cracks me up so much I had to capture it.

Fortunately, just like Suoh, I happened to take a liking to Mayuri. She immediately reminded me a bit of Satou Sei (less of an edge lord than the young Sei, however).

Even Mayuri herself seemed to doubt her feelings for Suoh, but Suoh firmly believed in all of Mayuri's feelings to be real, which I found to be very sweet of her.

Now I fear for the future of them... I want them to be happy together, dammit. ;_; I went to look up their other famed work - big mistake.

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>>2133783
i read ch 7 again and
yeah man youre probably right

>>2133716
:')

Whenever i go to save my file the game crashes is anyone else having this problem/found a solution

So do the next or the third game expand on the situation about that happened with Suoh and Mayuri at the end of the first game? Or will we have to wait for the fourth game to give closure to this? I think Suoh and I'm guess all the other characters from the first game appear again in the next ones, so I hope they at least bring a bit of light to the issue, I don't want to wait 3 games to know how this will be resolved.
Also, in Rikka's route, does Mayuri disappear too?

>>2133859
No idea, try asking or looking it up in the steam community forums.

>>2133862
Natsu-hen and Aki-hen are focused on respectively Erika and Yuzuriha's stuff, but those two are both partly involved with what Suoh is up to, and once you've finished each of them, "Extra" portions unlock which are narrated by Suoh and tell you about what she was trying to do during that time, showing some progress she made, but both ending on cliffhangers.

>>2133721
While it might be true that Mayuri's love towards Suoh were real, I wished there had been more hints towards that. Prior to their confession, there wasn't really any indication that she loved Suoh in a romantic fashion. Her feelings towards Suoh could easily be interpreted as an Amitie partner or close friend.

>>2133887
>but both ending on cliffhangers.
Oh boy, we're in for a ride.

>>2133774
I meant what Rikka wants actually. It does apply to Souh sometimes tho.

>>2133887
I played Haru-hen to completion, but I have no idea how to access the "Extra" ending. ;__; Same with Natsu-hen. May I ask where I can find it? Or some spoilers for the Extras on all three games?

Also, what exactly was Suou doing in the woods in Natsu-hen (that made even Erika want to tail her)? I'm not particularly convinced with Suou's explanation.

>>2134060
Get all the endings (I think that's including bad ones) in Natsu-hen and Aki-hen and "Extra" should be added to the main menu

Can you get a Steam background or something if you get all the cards for this game in Steam?

>>2134078
Yes. They all look pretty nice as well.

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>>2134128
Can you see them somewhere? I found a few of them on the steam community market but I don't know if there are anymore.

>>2134166
http://www.steamcardexchange.net/index.php?gamepage-appid-452440

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>>2134168
Thanks, unfortunately the one I like the most is rare and not for sale.

>>2134229
Let's do it! (((o(*ﾟ▽ﾟ*)o))) 18/F. I like to play piano, write stories, play games and browse the internet aimlessly. All of my friends have moved away, but I was never any good at keeping friends in the first place. \(´･Д･)/ I'm pretty upfront, honest and truthfully, a little tactless.

I am also a raging lesbian.

>>2134273
>I am also a raging lesbian.
You will be a good fit for their school.

>>2134290
Haha, I mean, I would not mind meeting other raging lesbians.

Honestly, playing through this game and reading about Mayuri's feelings towards her caretaker hit way too close to home. The last person I had a crush on (who I'm still foolishly holding feelings for) ... I liked her basically for the same reasons as Mayuri - she took good care of me, worried about me, never asked for anything in return and despite her being only a couple years older, she had a very motherly aura to her. I did an idiotic thing and jumped the gun by telling her about my feelings, and I was let down very gently. But life goes on, and it's time for me to find an all-girls Christian school with an artificial friendship system.

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Shit got deep.

>>2134229
i like collecting pictures of frogs, i also like shitposting

i also like to collect yuri manga and using l00nix while browsing for newest fedora and trenchcoat

>>2134601
>>2134273
I don't give a damn about what either of you likes or dislikes. I just want to get to know more and more about Suou/Mayuri/Erika/Chidori/Yuzuriha and Nerine. いいかい?

>>2134604
Ahh, バスキア教諭, why must you play favorites? Moreover, Rikka's excluded from the list?!

>>2134725
I don't ever recall Dalia-sensei uses male speech pattern per se except when practicing 朗読 with Erika. Your joke is uncalled-for.

>>2134910
Perhaps you're taking things a little too seriously. (´･Д･)」

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Natsu-hen has only 6 chapters? Want to see more Chidori and Erika イチャイチャ with each other (; ･`д･´) ﾅ､ﾅﾝﾀﾞｯﾃｰ!! (`･д´･ ;)

Are they really 14 years old? Suoh and Mayuri look (and act) like high school students.

>>2135056

Suou's birthday: March 13.
Mayuri's birthday: June 27
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLOWERS_%28%E3%82%B2%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A0%29
Generally, children in Japan who're born after April 1st will wait until the next year to enroll into the first grade (7 years old.) However, I don't know if this rule applies in the game or not. Furthermore, there's no mentioning about third years (Anyone?) so I kind of don't think this academy is a traditional high school.

Supposedly, they would hold Mayuri's 15th birthday party in June if she hadn't left the academy jso abruptly

>>2135063
Edit: Suou's birthday: March 16.

Mayuri was born after April 1st (1999 for example) so she would go to the same grade with those kids who were born before April 1st (2000.) Ichigo and Ringo did say that they're the oldest in the class (April 13) thus it only makes sense that Suou has to be younger than them.

>>2135066
Then at the beginning of the game Suoh had just turned 14, while Mayuri is almost 15, right?

I was actually kind of confused about their ages. Aren't first year high school students in Japan at least 15 when the school year starts?

>>2135070
Yeah.
>>2135079
They are. That's why I said Saint Angraecum Academy didn't look like a normal high school. Can someone know more about missionary schools or Christian based schools in Japan shed light on this?

>>2135063
>Furthermore, there's no mentioning about third years
There are 3rd years.

By the way, searching through the scripts for mentions, I came on this translation error:
>「昨年の夏頃にそのときの三年生がいっぺんに辞めたんだ。七名だよ。これが一年生なら里心がついただとか――」
>Last summer, a third year disappeared without a trace. She was the seventh. If she were a first year, I could attribute it to homesickness...
The Japanese was more like:
>Last summer, some third years quit all at once. Seven of them. If it were first years, I could attribute it to homesickness...

>>2135108
>「昨年の夏頃にそのときの三年生がいっぺんに辞めたんだ。七名だよ。これが一年生なら里心がついただとか――」
Thanks for pointing that out. Still, it doesn't solve Suou's age problem, though.

>>2135124
>Thanks for pointing that out. Still, it doesn't solve Suou's age problem, though.
Suoh was also home schooled, if there is some problem with her age that may be the reason.

>>2135130
I've never heard about home school in Japan and in the midst of searching about it yielding some interesting results:
>This is the law on compulsory schooling as found in Monbusho’s website: “All children in Japan from the age of six to fifteen are required to study at elementary and lower secondary school.
https://educationinjapan.wordpress.com/homeschooling-afterschooling/legality-of-homeschooling-in-japan/
>But there is no provision of the law directed at children themselves, stating that children must attend a school to get an education. In other words, the School Education Law addresses parental responsibility only, and not a child's own decision about where to learn. Therefore, if a child does not fit in with a school or if a child does not like attending school, other ways of learning outside of school can be done. So, homeschooling is DEFINITELY NOT illegal in Japan.
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~ja8i-brtl/faq.html
> In Japan, there is no system for skipping grades during the compulsory
education period. A student advances from one grade to the next. After completing their compulsory education, in order to get into a senior high school, students are usually required to pass an entrance examination.
https://www.city.otaru.lg.jp/sisei_tokei/otaru/foreigner/index.data/school_education.pdf
>Tobikyu refers to the system of early advancement to the next grade for students who excel or allowing them to skip a grade entirely. In Japan, this is not permitted, but in 1997, exceptional high school students considered to have scholastic skills equivalent or superior to high school graduates in either mathematics or physics were permitted to enter university upon completion of their second year of high school. The first second year high school student permitted to skip third year under this system entered university in 1998.
http://www.tjf.or.jp/deai/contents/teacher/mini_en/html/tobikyu.html
Haven't read this yet: https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/飛び級

>>2135130
Mayuri effectively says both her and Suoh are 14, and there's never any mention of either of them having skipped a grade.

Their age is something the Japanese found weird too.

>>2135136
Seems like Yuki in Shojokyuu wouldn't realistically have been put in Haruna's class.

>>2135154
>Then at the beginning of the game Suoh had just turned 14, while Mayuri is almost 15, right?
>Mayuri effectively says both her and Suoh are 14, and there's never any mention of either of them having skipped a grade.
Doesn't change anything. Mayuri was turning 15 in that month.

> Ichigo and Ringo did say that they're the oldest in the class (April 13)
>>2135136
>>2135063

The only possible conclusion I could deduce from the above information is that Suou had to skip a grade in the past.

Saint Angraecum Academy, like another anon pointed out, probably isn't a normal high school, since it's a missionary school in Japan. Maybe it's a school with the US curriculum?

>>2135164
>The only possible conclusion I could deduce from the above information is that Suou had to skip a grade in the past.
Why?

Everyone starts school at the beginning of April
The twins are the first to have their birthday, April 13th, so are the oldest
Mayuri implies she and Suoh are 14, before her birthday which is June 27th

It makes sense if everyone in the class started aged 14

>>2135169
Yeah, maybe it's a school like this?:
https://caj.or.jp/divisions/highschool.php

>>2135169
> Why?
Reread the posts and the links.

>Children who have their 6th birthday on or before April 1 enter the first grade of elementary school of that year.
Luckily, no one was born on April 1st here.
https://www.tokyo-icc.jp/guide_eng/educ/01.html
>It makes sense if everyone in the class started aged 14
Not sure how to understand this but the premise here is the first years had to be older or equal to 14 years old when they started school. On April 1st, 2014, Suou and Chidori were already 14 years old. Sasaka twins, Rikka and Erika turned 15 in April 13, May 15, September 17, respectively in the same year..

>>2135179
Sorry I was meant to refer to >>2135170

>>2135179
>>2135180
Are you trying to explain why you think Suoh must have skipped a grade? Because what you've written means she hasn't.

The whole class was 14 before April. They will all have their 15th birthday during that school year.

The ones, such as Suoh, who have a birthday in January, February or March will turn 15 in the next calendar year.

>>2135173
>9th: Bible and PE/Health, English, math, biology, World History, and study hall
https://caj.or.jp/info/index.php/Course_Descriptions
This would clears out my confusions if the academy is written based on this school.

>>2135181
>older or equal to 14 years old
Oh God I messed up that sentence. I meant15 years old. Now that I've mentioned Chidori, she would've skipped a grade, too.

>>2135183
>9th: Bible and PE/Health, English, math, biology, World History, and study hall
F*** my brain.

To sum it up, no one skipped anything. The academy is a high school consisted of 4 grades from 9th to 12nd. Everything makes sense now. The age requirement to enter the academy is that they have to be 14 years old before April 1st of that year.

>>2135185
The academy has 3 years.

Generally in Japan, if your birthday is in March, you are the youngest of the class. If your birthday is in April, you are the oldest. Mayuri is considered one of the older ones because her birthday is only two months after April, but her birthday is not celebrated because she's not there for it. She turned 15 already with the seasons already having gone by.

Similarly, if we're comparing it to the American school system (where school starts in September), it's LIKE saying Suou's birthday is in December - where if she were born a month later, she would've been in her third year of middle school and NOT in high school like she is right now. Meanwhile, anyone born in April in this game is LIKE someone born in January, because we know that had they been born a month EARLIER, they'd be in a grade above.

The Sasakis and Rikka are considered one of the older students in the class and they are already 15. Suou is one of the youngest and she is still 14 until March rolls around. By then, the school year still isn't finished (very very close to it though), so she will be turning 15 before her second year.

For convenience's sake, just compare Suou's birthday to one who was born in December in an American schooling system.

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Jesus fucking CHRIST why is Rikka such a bitch?

From the first time some kind of drama happens with her she's a bitch, and now I'm coming up to what I figure is the end and she kinda throws Suoh under the bus by saying Suoh wasn't her type, Rikka broke it off, and she rebounded with Mayuri

You know, rather than "I was a wretched and jealous person and forced her into a relationship through blackmail and it ended when she couldn't deal with my crap anymore"

I can't see what the appeal is supposed to be in this person and I'm not sure how Suoh keeps forgiving her.

>>2135311
Why don't you read the whole thing

>>2135312
I really don't think there's good reason to forgive her is the thing.

Like her partners, she has a troublesome past, one that makes her really need to be accepted

however it results in her being fucking horrible to other people on several occasions

realistically, no matter how "justified" such a person would be, eventually people would give up on associating with them. Seriously, I've been bothered by her ever since she started exploding at everyone over the book incident. She's kind of a terrible person, whether or not there's a perfectly understandable reason due to her being adopted

>>2135313
Keep reading

>>2135311
>I'm not sure how Suoh keeps forgiving her.
Because she's the second coming of Jesus Christ and will forgive your for your sins.
Mayuri is her Mary Magdalene
Rikka is Judas
the rest is her Apostles.

I think I'd rather be friends with Rikka than the people who see her as an unforgivable bitch.

>>2135314
I've finished it, and while I have certain other problems with the whole game Rikka is a sticking point, so much of one I don't want to go through this song and dance again for her route.

>>2135318
>boo hoo why don't people like me for snapping at others/raging and tossing things over/being violent/blackmailing my friends?
>I'm a good person, I don't get it!

>>2135319
Yeah, you definitely do seem much less likable than Rikka.

>>2135327
Okay?

Sorry that I don't like annoying, clingy types. If that's your thing, more power to you, but I don't see how not wanting to deal with aggravation and ACTIVE aggression (both passive and physical) would make me unlikable.

>>2126267
>'ll learn a bit more about the Girl in the Wheelchair
A bit, huh?

Because I like that girl a lot. I hear the second game has a lot to do with her..

>>2135343
>I hear the second game has a lot to do with her..
She's the protagonist.

>>2135346
Well now I literally have to play it.

>>2135329
Oh come on, Rikka wasn't really gonna do anything to hurt Mayuri and Souh knows that.

>>2135371
>her type
Rikka was disguising their "previous" relationship for Suou's sake

>>2135347
I'm prepared to tackle Dalia-sensei's route.The last scene left me wating more Chidoeri :-O

>>2135187
>The academy has 3 years.
Sources?
It should be a high school starting from 9th grade, like the Christian Academy on the link above, hence Suou's age. You can be 14 years old and in grade 10 at the same time Japan (references above.) I would've recognized it from the beginning, Mayuri would 15 in June, first year in (high) school so she could only be in 9th grade. Inasmuch as how a high school could encompass ninth graders is unfathomable to me, I discarded that possibility entirely.

>>213521
Why did people have hard time understanding this?

>>2135371
She hurt Suoh and pretty much realized that, forcing her between a rock and a hard place despite knowing her nature and how desperately she wants to keep friends.

Pushing her against a walls and wrenching her arm wasn't nice either

>>2135409
>You can't be 14 years old and in grade 10 at the same time in Japan

>>2135371
>Oh come on, Rikka wasn't really gonna do anything to hurt Mayuri and Souh knows that.
I wonder if "that person" was someone close to Mayuri but not immediately to either Chidori or Erika who didn't want Suou and Mayuri together and my doubt falls into Rikka

About the hook man's caseWhy was Dalia-sensei doing there in the classroom at night? When did Erika fall for Chidori? Why couldn't I find proof for Erika and Chidori are childhood's friends claim?

>>2135317
If so, do you mind solving Mayur's secrets hidden in her paintings? What's the deal with Saint Joseph, the angel carrying the lily and the like?

>>2135317
Isn't it bizarre that Suou's name was based on the Judas tree itself?

>>2135420
Joseph was Jesus' father, so what if Mayuri is actually Suoh's mother secret daughter?

>>2135435
>Joseph was Jesus' father
Foster father. I knew that already.
> Mayuri is actually Suoh's mother secret daughter?
ImpossibleMayuri saw her mother having sex when she was 10 years old when Suou's mother was already deceased

>>2135439
The man she was having an affair with was actually Suoh's dad after he broke off with the pianist
There you go

>>2135442
I don't need any citrus cliche here. But there might be a possibility. No, you can't mess with my ship because if that's the case then they are bound to never be able to stay together.

>>2135371
By the end of the game, I'm not holding anything against Rikka, and give her the benefit of the doubt that she has nothing to do with Mayuri's disappearance. But that's simply not the case, anon. If Suoh really thought that, she wouldn't have given in to Rikka's demand in the first place.

>>2135409
Japanese high schools run from grade 10 to 12. That's three years. A school year starts in early April and ends in late March. The eldest in the class is typically born in April, the youngest in March. Suou is born in March. Compare it to American schooling systems where the eldest students are born in January, and the youngest ones in December.

>>2135416
The childhood friend thing shows up in the true end, after the credits.

On another note, Suou forgave Rikka because for various reasons. One of the many would be that Suou believed everything to be her own fault. She felt sorry that she couldn't provide the love, comfort and acceptance that Rikka yearned for, and *this is a stretch*, but she might've felt sorry about not being able to return Rikka's feelings.

I can see why blackmailing is so bad and unforgivable, but at the same time, I can see why Suou chose to forgive her.

So I only watched playthrough of Spring.

And I totally think that the Virgin Mary selection is done by the teachers to single out a raging lesbian suspect of the first year. If there is no raging lesbian in making, then it just goes to the class rep, and all is well.


But if there is one, and said Mary proves to be raging lesbian, the school just kicks them out quietly under the occult pretense, in order to protect the school's reputation.

Nothing else makes sense on why the heck they selected Mayuri.

>>2135468
Have you read the previous posts? Let me say one more time Saint Angraecum Academy doesn't seem like a normal Japanese high school but the system resembles this Christian Academy high school which consists of 4 grades (https://caj.or.jp/info/index.php/Course_Descriptions) Take this year for example, students who were born in the range of April 2, 2000 and April 1, 2001 enrolled into first year (10th grade) in high school in April, at that time were 15 and 16 years old. In the beginning of the game, the promotional video of Spring Arc specifically mentions that Suou is 14 years old, coupled with her being born on March 16 which makes it impossible for her to enter 10th grade in high school. If the first year in the academy was 10th grade, then Mayuri (born after April 1st) wouldn't have been able to enroll into the school either, because she had yet to reach 16 years old. Thus, the first year has to be equivalent to 9th grade which results in the 4-year system school.

Hoped I made it clear.

>>2135470
Save it for your fanfiction. There are infinite number of possibilities that the class rep may not gay. She wouldn't do anything outrageously conspicuous anyway. Likewise, Yuzuriha wouldn't have made it to the second year according to your ridiculous theory.
> Nothing else makes sense on why the heck they selected Mayuri.
White lily is one of the symbols of Blessed Virgin Mary. Got it?

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Any ideas?

>>2135470

interesting thoery, though i'd say rather than just kicking them out, they're given the option to break up/give up on romance or leave, as theorized by anon's who studied the extras it was insinuated Mayuri recieved some kind of choice. We could then assume during the returning of the veil is when the student is expected to give their answer, naturally Mayuri wouldn't want to reject her love now that her feelings were finally reciprocated, so she told Dalia that she'd leave, it also explains why she left clues for Suou to find, that she still wants to be together with her.

>>2135483
>White lily is one of the symbols of Blessed Virgin Mary. Got it?
So they chose her for her name over Rikka's merit of being a class rep. Doesn't make sense.

And you appear to misunderstand my comment. I said they'd give the role to class rep if *there is no problem child*, i.e. someone like Mayuri. The school tolerates homosexual if it doesn't catch their attention. I only have knowledge of Yuzuriha in Spring, but I imagine she managed to hide it well with her tomfoolery.

Not saying I'm correct in my assumption.

>>2135483

>>2135493
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damn shot down while typing

>>2135494
> I said they'd give the role to class rep if *there is no problem child*, i.e. someone like Mayuri. The school tolerates homosexual if it doesn't catch their attention.
You've got it backwards. First year's class rep will always be chosen for the role of Virgin Mary, except Rikka, unfortunately.
> I only have knowledge of Yuzuriha in Spring, but I imagine she managed to hide it well with her tomfoolery
Yeah, so well that even Erika knows about this.
>Doesn't make sense
No, I didn't mean that she was chosen because of her name but it's natural to make that make that assumption based on the connection between white lilies and Virgin Mary.

>>2135498
I used the word "raging lesbian" in jest, but there's a reason.

Dahlia said and I paraphrase, that they tolerate homosexuality, as in they don't go out to punish it, but if they see something troublesome brewing, the school will deal with it. If a student is gay, but keep it down and doesn't cause too many scenes, it's fine with the school.

Everyone might know Yuzuriha is gay, but as long as Yuzuriha doesn't cause a problem, she's welcome in school. Is my take on it.

>You've got it backwards. First year's class rep will always be chosen for the role of Virgin Mary, except Rikka, unfortunately.
So we know for sure that that was the case for as long as they have held the Feast in the past up until this year?

I remember Erika said that it's been a sure thing, but I don't know how true that statement is.

>A White Lily or One or Three White Flowers. The whiteness of the flower represents Joseph’s virtue, holiness, innocence, and obedience to God: “he did as the angel commanded” (Mt 1:24; see also Mt 2:14,21,22). The white flower also represents his faithfulness to Mary, as well as his chastity and sexual purity because he respected her virginity and remained celibate throughout their marriage: “he had no relations with her” (Mt 1:25a).
Mayuri the Cryptographer. Screw my insufficient knowledge of Christianity and art.

>>2135493
Ah, that's interesting indeed. I was wrecking my head over the umbrella doodle and why the date was set up. How did Erika know about it?