Frozen

>(Remember it will be deleted this Saturday)
good riddance

>>2010214
This.

>>2010214
>>2010216
Kek. First few chapters weren't that bad, I think. But it absolutely went to shit after the gratuitous plot twist rape.

>>2010208
>Wayfaring
>32k words
Oh gosh. So I'm only behind 80k on this one now. Might as well read it again one day.

>>2010221
it definitely went from okay to "into the trash it goes" after the sexual assault chapter.

>>2010225
Come to think of it, are there even any good student-teacher fics?

>>2010229
No that I remember.

Regarding Wayfaring, while the chapter is good it suffers the usual problem that is too much description, and the elsanna is a subplot that moves a glacial pace, not to mention that Elsa pulled again the same thing a lot of others writers do a lot "Anna mustn't know what I really feel for her" instead of discussing with Anna what happened previous chapters.

Not to mention the OC hogs too much space, and is very much a Gary Stu by now.

Guess I'll refrain of read it until more chapters are released and there is some improvement on the elsanna subplot.

>>2010275
>"Anna mustn't know"
SOME
KIND
OF
MISTAKE
Didn't Anna and Elsa agree to openness around the Halloween chapter tho?

>>2010329
Yes, and the whole dance debacle was because Elsa didn't open with Anna about how jealous she was of Kristoff. Even Anna admits it in front of Rapunzel previous chapter of this last one this was the problem.

Anna is willing to openess but Elsa don't. Guess old habits die hard.

Why are you fags still making these threads!?

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>>2010375
Beats me.

>>2010375
To discuss and share fanworks related to the movie Frozen.

>>2010399
in fours years?

>>2010490
In four years what?

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>>2010375
I don't know the same reason we occasionally still see My Hime and Sailor Moon threads?

>>2010537
There's a difference between "seasonal nostalgia thread" and this /vg/-tier crap

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>>2010545
Well sucks for you I guess.

>>2010559
>Ireland
Scotland.

>>2010375
Be glad that Zootopia has not even a hint of /u/ in it or there would be threads about that here.

>>2010610
Those would be put down with prejudice all things considered.

>>2010607
>Scottish accents
Aye, m8.

>>2010537
Wasn't there a fic to that iamge or am I imagining things that I want?

>>2010625
I don't know if that pic was made for any specific fic, but there is a fic like that (Elsa being a conqueror and harem master who fucks her sister as well as other Disney princesses who she acquires from different countries). I forgot the name though.

In one of the chapter, Elsa helped Beast to rule France and also fuck the 3 bimbos from Beauty and the Beast.

>>2010717
>OCs
>posting that
Goodness, could you be anymore full of shit.

>>2010717
>Furfags go here.
>>>/trash/

>>2010625
Yep. It was inspired by the pic.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10886062/1/The-Princesses-of-Queen-Elsa-s-Court

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>>2010717
Genius they're not OCs the black haired one is Elsa's original design and the other is albino Anna based off of when Anna's heart was frozen.

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>>2010840
Onion!Elsa or Sasuke!Elsa as she has been known if I remember correctly. Back when Elsa was planned on being evil.

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>>2010839
Oh lovely, I didn't know more stuff was added to it. Maybe this'll finally motivate me into completing my fic.

Update
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10122824/37/Here-Comes-The-Sun

I'll wait for this fic to be finished to read it, not worth the time now

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>>2010842
Poor Sasuke! Elsa.

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>>2010839
I really should stop looking at reviews on ff.net. Most of the time they're fine but every now and then you get someone who complains about something in caps.

>>2010841
Part of me actually would have liked to see that more than what we've gotten in the end.

>>2010989
>part
Nigga, the whole of me would like to see that.

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>>2010989
>>2010995
Pffft Sasuke!Elsa x Anna x Elsa and maybe albino Anna is better than An Evil Elsa that would probably be killed at the end of the movie.

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>>2011002

Update after a long time
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10227492/9/Once-Upon-a-Time-in-Autumn

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>>2011003
I like how assertive Sasuke!Elsa is toward Elsa and how subservient she is to albino Anna.

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>>2011007

>>2011007
Is she saying Elsa's fat? Rude.

>>2011033
Are you asking why we masturbate to Frozen porn? I dunno about the others, but I usually don't. At least not to Elsanna, It's too pure for an impure individual (i.e. a man) like me.

>>2011033
Why are you writing like a retard?

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>>2011048
Incest it would be like fucking a twin. We include albino Anna because she likes to top Sasuke!Elsa that's why.

>>2011048
White Anna kind of has a basis to sauce Elsa but a bit more flimsy; in that I'm pretty sure the reason for her inclusion was more so that Uchiha Elsa could have/pair up with a more appropriate Anna than the canon one.

>>2011136
Well, yeah, every Elsa deserves an Anna.

>>2011001
Actually the original idea had Elsa be redeemed at the end.

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>>2011225
It could have been so good.

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>>2011225
>>2011231
Meh I like both Elsa's.

>>2010839
Gay Elsa is so hard wired into my brain that to see her be seductive toward a man is jarring. Even if it's just to manipulate him.

Update
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11146265/21/Order-of-the-Arrow
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11434835/15/The-Perfect-Distance

>Sasuke!Elsa
Is this some kind of tumblr thing? Can we not call her that? Onion!Elsa is less cringy.

>>2011281
>Gay Elsa is so hard wired into my brain that to see her be seductive toward a man is jarring. Even if it's just to manipulate him.
What if she would try to seductively manipulate Queen Marisol into a political alliance?

Reminds me, are there even fics featuring her?

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>>2011607
Anon everything is tumblr... even you.

On a related note I love how anything anyone dislikes is assumed to be related to tumblr.

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>>2011622
It would be nice but a condescending remark confirming she was just manipulating Gaston when she put her hand between his legs and when she kissed Adam would be nice.

>>2011641
The hell you talking about?
I didn't browse tumblr and all I ever heard people on here called dark-haired Elsa is Onion!Elsa which why I'm asking if calling her Sasuke!Elsa is a tumblr thing.

>>2011607
>!
Is this some kind of fanfiction thing? Can we use normal spaces? Onion Elsa is less cringy.
I'm serious tho, '!' is some teenage fandom tier shit.

>>2011728
>'!' is some teenage fandom tier shit.
lel, I honestly had no idea but isn't Elsanna/Frozen part of fandom?

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>>2011734
Ignore them they're just complaining about really trivial nonsense.

>>2011756
And who gave you the power to decide what can and cannot be talked about here?

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>>2011766
I never said anyone could or couldn't talk about anything I merely advised >>2011734 to ignore such nitpicking nonsense.

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>>2011947
That reminds me I wonder if ice magic will be a thing in Dark Souls III. Maybe we'll be able to make Elsa.

>>2011700
It's probably more of a /co/ thing. Most of the times I've seen Onion on tumblr she's been called concept!Elsa or early!Elsa. But of course her real name is Onion.

>>2011728
I only use it ironically.

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>>2011964
If there is anything close to it, it'll fall under pyromancy since dak sols pyro also involves temperature control and all that.

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>>2012039
It's food for thought what with all the enemies that use ice now. And by all I mean the two or three bosses/mini bosses that have been shown.

Although I think they might be hexes since since the dark is opposed to fire... but then again black fire(not that it ever really left with Outcry) is back so what do I know.

>>2010214
>deleted on schedule
Huh? Why? Usually things just get deleted because readers report them or the author just ups and deletes things because they hate them too much. Why would there be scheduled deletion?

>>2012760
I guess the author wants to delete them and has let people know ahead of time so there's time to read or save it.

>>2012760
Attention.

>>2012023
>But of course her real name is Onion.
Wait, really?

>>2013002
No, if you really want to get nitpicky concept Elsa works better since that is literally what she is.

>>2013005
Oh, I was just asking. Though it will be bizzare but also funny as hell if Onion is really her name.

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Just saw Hail Caesar, and really enjoyed its fantastic kaleidoscopic synchronized swimming sequence! Much of it reminded me of snowflake shapes, which I can't find a good picture of, but here is a shot from toward the end of that scene.

>>2013121
Scarlett Johansson's character (or at least her speciality) is based on Esther Williams. If synchronized underwater musical numbers is your thing, you can watch many of her scenes on YouTube.

>>2013009
As far as I know Elsa has always been called Elsa or, at least, her concept character who has that hairstyle and darker backstory and character was always called Elsa.

Some of Anna's older designs are also interesting, with her being another peasant alongside Kristoff's, her being Elsa's assistant instead of her sister, of her being blonde-haired instead of redheaded. White Anna is different from blonde Anna in that white Anna is really just, well, dying Anna from the movie, so she actually exists, but it's interesting that people have latched onto her and Onion Elsa so tightly enough to draw them consistently together.

It's a bit of a pity that Elsa's older concepts are more popular than Anna's older concepts since I rather like the idea of peasant or assistant Anna. The filmmakers talked about how they wanted a reason for Anna to be so devoted to Elsa and that things just clicked when they made them sisters instead of unrelated, but I don't know. At times it seems rather astounding that such a bounding optimist could have grown up amidst a good portion of the same melancholy that her older sister felt; not so much guilt or fear but still that separation.

>>2013237
There was some mention, on twitter I think, that in the earlier version Elsa would've kidnapped Anna and intentionally froze her heart to make her more sympathetic to Elsa.

That was probably some fuel to pairing to the white haired Anna with concept Elsa.

>>2013237, very interesting!

Agree with you that the storyline would also have been great with Anna as a peasant.
For one thing there could have been a funny dynamic where Anna was ecstatic to be in Arendelle Castle, while Queen Elsa felt so confined there that she only could be free when leaving.
That would also have given them an especially powerful relationship dynamic, and one that would have been fairly easy to depict in a way that was suggestive of romantic love between the two without actually ending up at anything in particular.

It is also interesting to me, though, just what fertile ground the concept of these two sisters can be. Especially the fact that they started off life as loving sisters but then were separated growing up, only to reunite at the dawn of adulthood.

I mean, who by now *hasn't* seen Elsa and Anna giving each other "the look."? Anyone who has gone shopping in North America over the last couple of years has seen it. I'm sure from here we can expect a lot more of America's favorite couple sharing true love as they go through many further exciting adventures together.

It seems to me, though, that at some point this particular relationship could become formulaic and feel completely repetitive of previous work. Then I think the concepts you described could be really great to draw in.
At some point the storyline could reveal that Elsa and Anna did not in fact have the same biological parents, meaning they were not related by blood.
Discovering that, and the reason why they were both raised as sisters to each other, could lead them to have an even closer bond, as well as to have a new power relationship between them.

>>2014446
Eh, I think discovering that they aren't actually sisters isn't something Disney would do. It makes their parents look like even bigger cockups for lying to their children, it means that Elsa feels even more alone, especially if she's the one who's not Arendellan (and if so, she has even MORE reason to be upset with her parents because she was not responsible for the crown but still raised with that burden). Disney has been selling so much sisterly merchandise that to pull a reverse Lucas would really hurt them in the long run.

And of course the downside to making Anna the peasant is that it sort of leans too closely to Beauty and the Beast territory, which makes things even gayer. At the time Frozen came out I don't think Disney would've done a lesbian romance, or even hinted at one.

Disney definitely did not intend for Elsanna to become a thing and it's definitely not going to become canon, ever, even if they're not blood related. They were raised to be sisters and even if they were isolated from one another it's still far too gross in the general public's mind for it to turn into anything real.

The most Elsanna shippers are going to get are scenes like Frozen Fever, where Anna and Elsa are very affectionate towards one another.

>>2010375
Why not? There's already too few /u/ shits out there that gets new content.

>>2010375
>Not heralding canon hetshit as great yuri
Where do you think you are? This is del/u/sion.

>>2011006
I want to learn those weird letters.

>>2011006
>I like how assertive Sasuke!Elsa is toward Elsa and how subservient she is to albino Anna.

Well, Canon Elsa is just as subservient to her Anna.

>>2014843
Not really. Aside from agreeing to play with Anna (but what with her mischievous look I think Elsa wanted to be asked that) as a child, movie Elsa spends the entire time rejecting Anna's requests, be they begging or shouting at her. Frozen Fever Elsa is only finally coaxed into bed after she denies there's an issue for most of the short.

Now, Elsa was so taken aback by Anna's words at the coronation and by her presence in the ice castle that she had to run both times, but that's not the same thing as subservient. More like Anna is a sore spot for Elsa's guilt.

Is there a fanfic where they aren't fairytale princesses? Not a big fan of this setting, maybe normal teenagers or office workers. They don't even have to be related, that sounds kinda weird, you know what I mean. I am just not a big fan of fucking fairytale princesses.

>>2014897
>looking for MAU
>in fanfiction
You...you are aware that you can't go two feet into a fandom without tripping over MAU's, right?

>>2014897
You do know Frozen was a movie about princesses right? And yes, there probably is, modern au is a cancer that's not easily excised, though it gave birth to a few good fics.
If you're not a fan of Disney princesses maybe you should've asked in the fanfic thread for some general recs.

>>2014905
What is MAU?

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>>2014906
>>2014905

>>2014908
Modern alternate universe.

Are you new to fanfics?

>>2014869
Ah, well. I guess it's only a side effect of reading too much fanfic.

Though Sasuke/Oninon/Concept!Elsa and Albino Anna relationships are just fan works, so we can't really compare them to the canon versions?

>>2014926
Relationships? Not entirely. As has been said earlier, concept Elsa was originally going to freeze Anna's heart, so there is a conceptual background for them interacting, and white Anna literally exists in the movie as her dying self.

But yes, any fanart and fanfics are just that.

>>2014954
But that conceptual background isn't really enough to base the power dynamic between them. For all we know, concept Elsa wouldn't let herself become subservient to albino Anna.

It's an interesting idea though. And I do actually like the fan arts of concept Elsa and white Anna.

But yeah, I agree about fan arts and fanfics being just that.

>>2014965
Well, what I mean is, there is a background for them having interacted at all, and that concept Elsa did so specifically to cause harm to Anna, which narrows down the options some.

>>2014985
Since when has "canon" been a limitation?

>>2015003
It narrows down the options for what counts as canon, which is what we're talking about regarding the conceptual background that Disney was responsible for.

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Don't follow these threads well enough to know if this has been posted. But here.
>>>/co/81045958

>>2014985
Okay. I think I get what you're trying to point out.

So is there a pastebin for the fics? That would help. I was trying to read the arranged marriage one, and then the con artist one, but I rather like the idea of them being actual sisters. What are some involving incest?

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>>2015367
Just according to keikaku.

Update
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10208456/5/Screw-the-Monarchy
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10208456/6/Screw-the-Monarchy

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>>2015433

>Not posting superior quality

>>2015865
>with Christopher
>superior

>filename
Is there an imgur album with those?

>>2015871
Come on anon, you know he meant without the goddamn filter.

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>>2015367
That entire thread is gold especially the obligatory idiot who wants to nuke all lesbians.

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Searching the depths of internet, i found this. Best scan quality. The downside is the moon language though.

>>2015881
Wasn't this already posted with a far superior version?

>>2015367
/co/ really hates lesbians. Holy shit.

>>2015889
More like one guy really hates lesbians.

>>2015367
So this thread reawakened my thirst for some Elsanna. Any decent fics that stick to the canon as close as possible?

>>2015418
Check out 8's frz generals. There's a pastebin for a few things in there.

>>2015471
Read it all and wow that first sex scene in chapter 2 is completely out of character not only for them as movie characters, but also, looking back, as this story's characters.

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So it looks like another concept Elsa story has come to an end.
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11046962/19/The-Queen-s-Mephistopheles
The author's note explains away the confusion decently enough.

>>2017242
Was a weird one tbdesu.

>>2016132

That moose has seen some shit...

Sooo any modern AUs that retain Elsa's powers?

>>2017242
What a bummer, I'm not fond of ambigous endings.

>>2017327

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11132896/1/Wings-of-Ice
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11574554/1/Tell-the-Stories-I-Need-You-to-Tell
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11211425/1/Voices-Behind-the-Wall
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10580130/1/The-Girl-in-Black

Those are I can recall atm

>>2017353
Neat.

>>2017358
There's also Tessellate. It was removed from ff.net a while back, but here's a backup.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1p50LrqxIRoYkt6elZhd1pOVU0/view

>>2017726
Why was it removed?

>>2018286
I think the author wasn't very pleased with it and wanted to leave the fandom. Fortunately, she said so months in advance so there was plenty of time to make backups.

>>2018293
Said author was going to post an epilogue chapter, and posted the story on AO3, she deleted it and reposted it several times, so I guess she couldn't decide what to do.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10609840/22/Searching-for-a-Perfect-Day

Huh. Looks like SfaPD wasn't as dead as I thought.

>>2018342
>Words: 348,540
How is this even possible? For comparison, War and Peace has 560,000 words.

Does this fic span twenty years?

>>2018356
Anon you ain't seen nothing yet. There's a femslash fic in the HP fandom that's over a million words.

>>2018356
>350k words
>long fanfiction
There's a 4m+ word Super smash bros fanfic

>>2018358
>>2018363
But that's even dumber. Why is this a thing? Is there even an overarching plot?

>>2018373
because some writers think big.

>>2018373
In the hp one? Yeah, not sure about the smash one.

You're also not accounting for world building which can suck in a lot of artists and feed the word count.

>>2018376
The HP series is a little over a million words. Does that fic span just as many years and have just as many characters?

I can understand having fun with world building but...it's a fanfic. A lot of the world has already been built and explored already.

Where did this sasuke!Elsa shit come from?? She's onion!Elsa you plebs.

>>2015418
Just to be clear, isn't the con artist fic where they are actual (long-lost) sisters, and Elsa's got a hacking/electric power (or the equivalent through her tech) instead of the ice? Or am I thinking of a different one?

>>2018444
That's the one. And check'd.

>>2018356
>How
Some don't know when to stop

>Fanfictions

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>>2018389
Around the time people first saw her?

As much as I dislike the reference I understand why some call her Sasuke!Elsa but why onion? The very word makes me hungry.

>>2019520
Dislike fan fictions?

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>>2019585
Her hair is onion-shaped.

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>>2019592
I kinda see it.

<<Also cuddly cuttlefish Anna.

>>2019601
Is there a backstory to that picture?

>>2019605
No idea I know there's a sequel with cuttlefish Anna latching onto Elsa's face but I don't have it anymore.

>>2019605
>backstory
It's some retarded meme from /co/ or whatever, someone drew squid with Elsa's hair, someone asked for Anna and Elsa cuttling, and it spiraled into retardation.

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>>2019609
Cuttlefish are adorable.

>>2019613
They're not /u/, though.

>>2019585

Yes. i avoid fanfictions (not just frozen) like a plague.

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>>2019617
True I was just hoping someone else would get a laugh out of the image it's just so surreal.

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>>2019643
A pity most are terrible to be sure but some gems are better written than most published books.

Professional level fanfic writers, rarities but they are cherished.

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>>2019643
>>2019648

I don't know if it was linked earlier, but >>2007994 had some good suggestions. The second one is nice and short, non-committal.

>>2019643
Most of everything is shit. You can trust most things recommended here to at least be readable.

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Frozen comics in a nutshell, according to /co/

>>2020005
>/co/
Anon pls, that's Disney's word of god guideline for comics.

>>2020011
Well then they are very cruel, leaving Elsa to stew like that.

>>2019968
Wow, awesome share, thanks!

Perfect how Kristoff is kept in the friend zone, while the center of the story is true love that thaws a frozen heart.

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>>2020005
Ah, Wandering, how we miss thee...

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>>2021890

Update
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10035724/28/Feel-Don-t-Conceal

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Thought this looked nice when I found it. Finding that I like this pose. Especially if the girl about to go down or going down on the other is clearly enjoying her girlfriend's pleasure.

>>2023515
Not really a fan of all these uncanny shoops tbdesu.

>>2023742
The entire story:
http://aelifsigrun.tumblr.com/post/142191244618/this-is-long-overdue-and-i-really-apologise-for

Another one: http://baku-babe.tumblr.com/post/142193692290/leolionr-this-is-the-last-ive-done-my

>>2024036
>http://leolionr.tumblr.com/post/142178169732/this-is-the-last-ive-done-my-bestpinching-the
ftfy

>>2019968
>>2020110
You can add On the North Winds to the list, but it's semi-dead. Last I checked a few months ago, the author's carpal tunnel was acting out.

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>official Elsanna mugs
Now you can ship Elsanna during breakfast too!

>>2025986
Tell me moar, good sir.

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>>2025993
http://www.disneystore.com/anna-and-elsa-jumbo-latte-mug/mp/1398343/1000350/

>>2025995
Thanks, mate

>>2025986
I just noticed, are those flowers fucking lillies?

>>2025999
Uh, maybe? Are lilies more incestuous than other flowers?

>>2026017
Only somewhat.

>>2026017
>she asks what lilies are
>on a board for amateur lily horticulturists
Holy shit, you for real?

>>2026019
O-oh. I should've googled that earlier.

>she
Lol, I wish.

>>2025999
I think they're supposed to be Crocus..es. Croci? Whatever. It's the official flower of Arendelle.

>>2026082
>I think they're supposed to be lilies
Eh I'll take it.

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"Stoplight Party", "Untouchable", "Couldn't wait for You", "Elsa's in Heat" and "Little Comforts" have been deleted.

Sad day.

Updates:
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11721178/9/A-World-That-Doesn-t-Care
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11607825/36/Lentamente
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11647724/21/We-ve-Got-Tonight
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11844716/7/The-Queen-and-the-Flower-girl
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11286724/8/The-Dragon-Queen
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11849605/9/Department-of-Drama

New fic/one-shots
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11883388/1/A-Heart-Worth-Thawing-For
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11880383/1/To-Follow-One-s-Heart

>>2026883
Stoplight party is still up.

>>2026883
>Couldn't wait for you
Was that the "no arms" fic?

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Is it just me or are the fics getting progressively weirder and shittier as of late? And I thought the pickings were slim a few months ago.

>>2031098
Such is the lifecycle of a fandom. Is there loads of futa yet?

>>2031104
What, you think incest is weird? Get out of here.
Weird as in stupid the-fuck-am-I-reading kind of thing.
>>2031103
Unfortunately, futa is a fast-acting cancer. It was there from the start, and it will be there after it ends and all the good fics are gone.

>>2031105
It didn't used to be. Generally futa was the final death rattle of a previously good fandom.

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>>2031106
I would gladly rid the world of whoever thought of writing about ice dicks first.
Shame about all the dead fics tho.

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>>2031112
They're basically a strapon, it's not like it's actually a dick.

>>2033239
Delete this ugly gratuitous piece of shit picture and fuck off back to the site with upvotes.

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Recovered this from /aco/ I think I recognize this artist as the person who does all that Life is Strange lesbian art. I think they draw some Disney yuri too.

>>2033512
Frostbackcat/wantstobuildasnowman/briars-and-roses/lifeisfineandnothinghurts/slightlyangryunicorn/calicopikachu.
Yeah, it's a lot of accounts.

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New chapter
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10831168/22/The-Weight-of-Snow

>>2034607
Damn, that's nice. Sauce?

>>2034624
No sauce. Probably from behind patreon paywalls. Was posted on plebbit just when I thought that place is beyond shitty.
I want to say I recognize the style, and I'm probably full of shit here, but hips look like Tin's, and I've seen the shading and faces before.
I'll look through my folders in a few.

>>2033512
>Meridelsa
That...what?

Maybe after Merida grows up and assumes the throne herself. But a 16 and a 21 year old....ehhhhh.

>>2033520
Why not have just one account and tag posts?

>>2034888
>Why not have just one account
Probably because then it wouldn't be possible for each to look different. Also it's tumblr, so who the fuck knows.
>16 and a 21 year old
Is absolutely fine, their love is not forbidden.
>ehhhhh
Nigga, please, use words.

>>2034895
It strikes me as creepy. Age Merida up a few years and the age gap is fine since she's older, but as it stands it's not something I find comfortable.

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>>2034913

>>2033239
>says they are a strapon
>posts a piece of work where the dildo is in the shape of a dick

I mean, I like them (mostly because of the sensory play aspect), but come on...

>>2034900
>not liking agegap
Understandable, but I can't help but frown in your general direction.

>>2035015
I for one shudder to think of the effects of what's a literal icicle on those tender regions.

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>>2035077
I imagine it wouldn't be too bad. I mean, Elsa's tower in the movie would literally be a freezing tomb of death if her magic ice had to stay below 0 C.

>>2035015
tbf, a lot of dildos are generally in the shape of dicks.
>captcha: little john
kek

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>>2035099
Lel, and yes I know. It still triggers me when people put them in yuri though.

>>2035124
Fucking blog/10 shut the fuck up and post pictures you annoyance.

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>>2035126
Fine then.

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>>2035159

>>2034900
>being creeped out by a 16 and 21 year old
>doesn't even like 13 and 40 year olds
age gap is the best

>>2035252
>tfw no Idunn x Elsa/Anna art

I've been out of the loop - any good modern day AU fics that are very recent? So no old ones.

>>2035356
Everything is crap now in one way or another. All the good writers moved on.

>>2035363
there's got to be some good ones in the last 12 months, right?

>>2035367
This users:
https://www.fanfiction.net/u/5620297/Amnestyyy

https://www.fanfiction.net/u/133897/J-Peterson, this especially:
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11457587/1/Snowflake
>"Did you just kiss me?" Anna blurts, and then feels her entire face heat up because the blonde in front of her laughs; not loud or cruel, but low and a little... embarrassed?

These fics:
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11792243/1/The-Last-Best-Dream
>Three (to five)-shot. ELSANNA. Elsa has a solitary existence working at a remote hotel, when a new guest, Anna, blazes into her life. Does she risk her life of routine for a relationship that is destined to be brief?

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11665290/1/Under-Starry-Skies-We-Are-Lost
>Anna's a very responsible drunk. Her chin is scraped up and her wrist is killing her and there's a motionless body beneath her, but she's responsible. It doesn't matter if her face is numb and she feels like she'll throw up at any minute. She can fix this. Accidental Soul-bonding.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11551611/1/Kissing-You
>Elsa doesn't kiss her anymore. Not because she doesn't want to, well probably not. Anna knows she loves her but it's just, well, it would be awkward.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11274781/1/Built-For-Two
>Elsa's tendency to take flowers out of other people's gardens leads her to have a companion on her morning walk. Drabble.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11265295/1/An-innocent-request
>Come on, Anna. I know we're sisters, but...aren't you at least a little bit curious?

>>2035367
>>2035442
Crap, I'm not sure all of them are modern au.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11342906/1/Catharsis
>Olaf has an idea for an event on the first anniversary of the Great Thaw. He recruits some thespians to help him, and soon his idea has Elsa and Anna, along with the whole kingdom, questioning the true nature of their sisterly relationship. Elsanna. Incestuous fluff. Lesbians. Slightly meta.
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11349851/1/Mimesis
>A sequel to Catharsis, so you should probably read that first. Something Anna discovers at Kristoff's house prompts her to investigate and leads her to happiness with Elsa in an unexpected place. Elsanna. Incest/icest. Sexy times. Lesbians. Slightly meta.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11162160/1/Stuck-on-You
>Anna was going to have a hard time explaining herself out of this situation. Mostly because her lips were frozen... To those of an ice sculpture... Of her sister... Elsanna. Incestuous fluff.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11033027/1/Like-Summer
>A slight touch-up of a drabble I posted on Tumblr long ago, inspired by a lovely fanart courtesy of Tumblr user patronustrip. Incestuous implications, but that's what this ship is for, isn't it?

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11329950/1/Metamorphoses-of-Elsanna
>Oneshots inspired by stories of seduction and transformation in Greek Myths and Ovid. Elsanna. All AUs. Incest only in chapters 1, 5 and 19. Mostly PWP.

http://archiveofourown.org/works/5770585
>Anna invites her best friend Elsa to her house for a sleepover. It's time for a night full of pillow fights, junk food, movies, staying up late, and apparently, confessing feelings to your crush.

http://archiveofourown.org/works/5318267/
>Maybe it's not the main quest, but experience and loot get you somewhere. Elsa and Anna play games and level up together.

>>2035077
I'm cool with age gap, but only if the participants are both full fledged adults. A 25 and 40 year old is okay. A 16 and a 21 year old, though a much smaller gap, is creepy.

>>2035756
Oh come on, it's not like they're real or something.

>>2035760
So?

>>2035756
Damn, I can't even get off until it's 14yo Anna and a dominant, predatory 21yo Elsa

>>2036435
Good job, you made me wish there were fics featuring this. Also, wasn't Elsa only two or three years older than Anna?

>>2036436
Three years. She's 21 when Anna is 18.

>>2036435
>predatory Elsa
...uhuh. Guess you're interested in OOC, then?

Elsa is kind of technically dominant in that she delivers commands according to her station and has no problem issuing them, but her reaction to being questioned by either Hans or Anna shows that her conviction isn't very strong. And since Anna is naturally very pushy and questioning, even as a child, I don't see Elsa holding the upper hand for long, or at all.

Closest thing I could think of would be an AU where, after Elsa hurt Anna, Anna got sent away to live with relatives so she was safe and started to believe herself responsible for being rejected by her family while Elsa grew resentful and, left unchecked by Anna or even the sight of the damage she did to her, prone to wrestling her parents for more control over her life, leading the two of them on opposite paths where Anna becomes timid and tired and Elsa becomes restless, agitated, and obsessive.

>>2036602
I'd masturbate to that.

>>2036627
You could have at least pretended you've been on this board before.

>>2036628
I'd masturbate with my pinky out?

>>2036602
That kinda sounds like an interesting AU, even outside of the smut. Could be fun.

>>2035124
Me too. I want to see women liking women in a womanly way in my yuri. Not some substitute discount quasi-futa self insert.

>>2036636
That's better.

>>2036813
But women fuck each other with strapons.

>>2037312
Does that mean I have to like seeing my fictional lesbians fuck each other with hyper-realistic fake phalluses?

>>2037352
No, but I resent the constant implication here and on other boards that it's wish fulfillment for horny men. It can also be wish fulfillment for horny women.

>>2037355
It's not hard to believe though, with some of the "art" I've seen.

>>2037357
So now you're just accusing men of having lower standards?

>>2037372
What gave you that ridiculous idea?
If I'm even accusing anyone of having lower standards, it's people with lower standards. Being a man or a woman has nothing to do with it.

>>2037382
>I resent the constant implication here and on other boards that it's wish fulfillment for horny men
>It's not hard to believe though
But honestly I'm mostly trying to figure out what you meant.

>>2037392
What I mean is shitty art is shitty art and realistic phalluses dildos are no-go. It can be drawn by and for attack helicopters for all I care.

https://m.fanfiction.net/s/11661174/1/

Eventual punzelsanna, an actual trash can full of angst-lite

>>2038846
>actual trash can
Why post it?

>>2039770
It not like it's a nice bin either - pretty shoddy and barely held together. Also, if I recall, it has banal tumblr sexual orientations so the bin is also full of rubbish.

>>2040301
At least Weight of Snow updated yesterday, and seems like it will update weekly from now on.

In your opinion, what's the best current active fics (still being updated at least once during the past 3 months)?

>>2041642
This question comes often enough I've half a mind to make a list on pastebin.
The best would be >>2040319 and whatever updated last from >>2035442.

>>2016132
Wait, why are we shooping Kris out again? Look at his face, he wants them to kiss as much as we do.

>>2042846
Yeah, but it'd be awkward if he's there when they find a nice clearing in the forest where they can fuck.

>>2042846
Because we're bored and there's nothing else to do.

>>2042444
Gave Weight of Snow a try and it's already rubbing me the wrong way not even halfway through chapter 1.

The recounting of the movie events is really bland. It's trying hard to get the readers to be emotional through Elsa's PoV, but the writing itself reads like a clumsy repeat of what we already knew without adding anything new.

But boring aside, it's not exactly horrendous writing (yet?). I wouldn't have commented so soon if only it hadn't started characterizing Elsa in a way that I consider to be OOC: Elsa reminiscensed the past events, and started worrying about her "frozen future" because she considers her monarch status to be a burden. Misunderstanding Elsa's character this much always gives me a headache.

Canon Elsa is a girl who LOVES to be a reigning queen. Ever since she was little, she had sung about how she couldn't wait to be queen (exactly like little Simba can't wait to be king), and wanted Anna to be her right hand. In Frozen Icy Adventure, official character introduction page listed one of Elsa's traits to be a "natural born leader". In A Frozen Heart, Hans's monologue detailed how scared he is of Elsa because she's a very sharp politician and not one to be messed with, that's when he decided to go seducing Anna. In the Anna & Elsa book series, we learnt that apparently Elsa is more adept in sports than Anna. She beats Anna easily in obstacle course running and taught her how to train stamina. The sisters regularly compete with each other in sword fighting and archery and horseback riding. Elsa rode a horse at max speed in A Warm Welcome when she was eager to get back to the castle. In the comic book that I forgot the name of, Anna cheated in their bike racing competition by starting before signal (and Elsa prevented her by making a snowpile to obstruct Anna). Anna simply cannot win against her sister physically in a fair fight. Elsa might not be as energetic and active as her, but she obviously is the more athletic and cunning one.

>>2043189
>bikes in that time
And spaceships as well, I hope.

If Elsa is so good at everything and has kickass cryomancy, what's the point of Anna?

>>2043189
(Cont.)
Elsa's struggle during the movie has a very clear and very specific reason: she doesn't want to kill innocent people by her uncontrollable superpower. She is not a fragile woman who disdain the responsibilities of royal duty. To her, that is a great occupation just like any other job, one that allows her to make her country prosper. She wants to be a Queen, she loves her birthright, but only if Anna is safe and if she's allowed to be true to her nature (a,k,a. using her power freely). Countless people magnificently ignored the obvious plot, and went ahead describing Elsa as this weakling who ran away from the throne itself. Because, hey, no good-hearted woman could possibly be ambitious, right? All girls must love to be ordinary because they can't handle politics, and only evil witches could ever want to be Queens, right?

Simba never had to endure such ridiculous misinterpretation. Because he's a guy, nobody questioned his true wish to be a king. They understand he ran away simply because he's guilty for killing his father. Whereas Elsa is a girl, people cannot comprehend that she ran away to avoid accidental murders, that she must have done it to avoid being a Queen.

>>2043194
Did you actually watch the movie? Didn't see Anna riding a bike around the hall and fell downstairs? Or in Frozen Fever, Elsa skillfully rides it without falling?

Elsa is intellectually and physically superior, whereas Anna's strength is in her ability to make friends with anyone and has unflappable faith. The strength of heart, if you will. Anna is brave and tomboyish and clumsy and romantic and naive and trusting, Elsa is strong and smart and graceful and ambitious and cautious.

Your silly question just cemented my point of people unable to see Elsa for who she is, simply because she is a feminine girl. Feminine girls who love books than climbing trees must be weak as shit, feminine girls who don't want to bring destruction must never want to be a politician. Feminine girls don't snore either. Too bad, Anna told us Elsa snores, so she's not exactly the feminine woman of your dream.

>>2043203
Dude I was just wondering if bikes actually did exist back then or if Disney just made shit up.

Also yeah, Anna does do something. Point proven. At no point did I put Elsa's feminine qualities in questoin.

>>2043207
>bikes actually did exist back then
Most likely. It's definitely within a century of when Frozen happened.

>>2043203
You're taking this feminist stuff way too far. People characterize Elsa as "OOC" like that because most people have only ever seen just the movie, not because of some anti women predisposition. Movie Elsa doesn't show us her athleticism nor do we ever see her enthusiasm for being queen. We can only infer so much.

I sure as shit didn't know any of the stuff you just mentioned about Elsa because I don't typically follow the side books. Its actually really cool to know, but I gurantee most people don't know that Anna is actually the athletically inferior one.

Cut the SJW shit out.

>>2035152
ah, this old art brings me back to old /frz/. If only I could find my old folder and remember the artist names.

>>2010585
>>2010842
>>2010919
>>2010928
>>2011002
Also I've been out of the loop for a while who is this black haired character? Prototype Elsa?

>>2043227
>SJW
Throwing buzzword around is sure a good argument. Cut that shit out.

I don't blame anyone for not knowing the side materials, but the thing is that they do NOT need to. People gloss over in-movies details in order to conjure up the image of a stereotypical wallflower Elsa, simply because she's not a butch.

Again, imagine Elsa had been a guy. Would people assume he hates his throne? That he had always needed a girl like Anna to protect him forever? Turning a blind eye to his biking skill in Frozen Fever (a contrast made specifically to show how Anna is indeed the less physically capable one despite being more boiterous)? No. Most people would fall into the correct understanding based on the facts within the movies, rather than being influenced by what feminity would entail. They would see a guy running away and be tormented because he has a golden heart, not because he's fragile and needs to be protected. They would assume after the movies, he would be like Simba, roaring proudly as a king returning to his rightful throne. They would be more ready to notice his authority: how he glared at the bishop when the latter told him to take off his gloves, effortlessly declined dance invites, talking with nobles, commandingly forbade Anna's marriage and told her to fuck off from his ice castle. Many people didn't take Elsa seriously, and interpreted those scenes as a girl trying too hard to appear strong to conceal her weakness, blatantly ignoring the fact that Elsa's struggle has nothing to do with weakness, but a desire to protect people. Just look at how many fics there are with the premise "Elsa is tired of being in charge as a Queen, so at night she becomes a submissive little girl in Mistress Anna's strong arms." Funny, since the movie made it clear that Elsa feels out of control all the time and that's what she thirsts after the most, so bending backwards just to write a submissive Elsa is just magnificent.

>>2015367
My little 9-year-old cousin got this for Christmas last year. I seriously considered trying to get a picture of it to show you anons, but then she put it somewhere and I never saw it again.

>>2043207
>bikes existed
They did because it's not a real world.

>>204323
Frzdrawfags. Google it.
>black haired
It's Onion Elsa. Don't remember if it was concept art or if someone drew her based off of it.

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>>2043292
It was actual concept art.
>>2043232
That artist specifically was known as Gray.

>>2043263
Another anon here.
It still feels like you have a strong and elaborate headcanon and are unable to contain your autismo whenever someone deviates from it.

Just let it go and enjoy the ride.

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>>2043331
>headcanon
Bitch please. Nothing I said was interpretation, but simple listing of movie details that people tend like to dismiss in favour of making up headcanons. Back in the days when I pointed out the inconsistencies in their characterizations compared to canon, they would angrily defended how their opinion of manly Anna x vulnerable Elsa is the indisputable fact. Not many people remember how Anna always act the girl part when she inserted herself in the paintings' poses, wishing for a partner taller than her, or her naturally hugging Elsa's arm instead of vice versa. Anna being a clumsy, girlish, energetic tomboy never changed no matter when she's with Hans, Kristoff or Elsa, yet some people just love to butch her up, ignoring her canon traits just like how they ignored Elsa's. Note how they very selectively ignore different characteristics of each sister.

That is, of course, until Frozen Fever, the books and comics come out and I now have better evidences, evidences that shouldn't be needed if people had just not been blinded by prejudice. No, I never expected Elsa to be more athletic than Anna, however I was right in insisting Elsa being a natural leader and that wasn't her trying to be strong. That her being Anna's protector is the usual deal in their relationship. That while Elsa isn't as physical as Anna, she is in fact a playful troublemaker (see pic, Elsa also loves ice fishing while Anba watches, as well as the song We Know Better where she freeze her nanny's butt for fun, and taught Anna to cause trouble) just like how the opening scene and the ballroom scene suggested, not a boring straightlace stereotypical lady. Elsa loves to spoil, and Anna loves to be spoiled. And in all comics and official arts, Anna is always the one clinging onto Elsa's arm/resting her head on Elsa's shoulder and never the other way around, whereas if Elsa is the one doing the touching, she would wrap one arm around Anna's shoulder.

This is 4chan, autism is a must.

Also about the bikes, the first bike was invented in 1817, and the two-equal-wheeler ones had been around since at least 1819. The events of Frozen take place in 1840.

There's nothing weird about bikes in Frozen. The only historical inaccuracy I've managed to find is that the soldiers still used crossbows instead of guns considering that time period, but it can be explained that soldiers avoided using guns in winter since the muzzle would be frozen up.

>>2043358
It's not historical fiction. It's a Disney princess movie.

>>2043367
Which is still stated to take place in 1840, in a world with magic and geographically different Europe. It's still fun to analyze details, what the hell is your problem?

>>2043391
I get triggered by autism.

>>2043189
>Canon Elsa is a girl who LOVES to be a reigning queen
Everything you cite comes from non-movie material or material that was cut, and many people see that as non or lesser canon (funnily enough, Simba leaps to mind: remember Kopa and then Kiara? And how about Kion now?), and you will not get them to change that opinion simply by citing more of it.

>She wants to be a Queen, she loves her birthright
Show me as much, using only elements from the movie. I will agree with you in that I don't think Elsa scorns the crown like, say, Jasmine does, but nothing about her actions within the movie strike me as someone who loves being queen. She exhibits regal behavior and she can be quite good at it, but that's different from reveling in her birthright.

>Because he's a guy
SIMBA IS A FUCKING LION. Most viewers would have absolutely NO idea what a Lion King even DOES. Of course they're not going to chew him out for abandoning his duties: what the fuck ARE his duties?

And he ran away as a CHILD. Elsa ran away when she was coronated, without any contingency plan, such that Anna running off and getting herself killed means that Hans could scoop up the throne. Does the Arendelle royal family lack for cousins or ministers or other officials who could maintain control besides a foreign national who has only just arrived? Elsa had to have known that she was a serious risk, and her failure to plan for her possible deposition indicates that she is avoidant (something that is very evident in the movie) and that is a terrible quality for a leader to have.

You are entirely right to say that anyone who thinks Elsa solely ran away due to the royal burden is wrong. However, since Elsa's problems stem from how her guilt and stress lead to anxiety which lead to her powers acting up which lead into more anxiety as she tries to repress them, etc., the stress of being queen and appearing graceful and serene absolutely adds to her burdens.

>>2043203
>intellectually
I'll grant you that.

>physically
Elsa got knocked out by hitting the ground in her ice palace while Anna punched Hans so hard that he literally arced into the water. The sources that say that Elsa is the more athletic of the two are from non movie materials.

Elsa doesn't need to be physically strong to be intimidating or impressive. She's essentially a demi-goddess who can create enduring LIFE. That's insanely powerful, and arguably the most powerful character Disney has ever made. The bodyguards who went after her were right to look at her with terror in their eyes when they saw what she was capable of and willing to do. She doesn't need to be athletic to be a force to be reckoned with, and I find it strange that you're decrying her being dismissed for not having the right qualities while at the same time playing up ones we never see in the movie as some sort of positive, as though part of the reason you respect her is because you view her as strong and athletic. Plenty of other people note those traits as reasons why they admire male politicians, which doesn't put you apart from that crowd you disdain much at all.

>tomboyish
How so? How are you defining her being a tomboy within the context of the movie and ONLY the movie, unless you're citing athleticism and a tendency to wear masculine clothing and enjoy masculine pursuits, in which case your citing Elsa as the greater athlete in non movie materials and the fact that neither of them wear men's clothing doesn't put marks in Anna's favor.

>>2043263
>commandingly forbade Anna's marriage
And then quailed when Anna pointed out his lack of emotional attachment, physically stepping back, literally stuttering at one point, and then all but running away and shutting the entire party down, the one semi-public celebration that has been allowed in years, all because he can't handle the hurtful but truthful words of a younger sister? A male character who ran away from a fight because of harsh words would be ridiculed just as much, if not more than, a woman who did the same.

It's not uncommon for women, or people in general, who are in positions of power, whether they enjoy it or not, to have sexually submissive sides. Look at how Anna took care of Elsa in Frozen Fever, and Elsa let her, and Anna was happy to ("Best birthday present ever." "Which one?" "Letting me take care of you."). One's sexual preferences, or how they act when alone and tired, do not in any way detract from their abilities or positions as people, and your conflating that shows how much you've put Elsa on a pedestal and demanded that she stay there because that's how you like her. Whether she likes anal or oral or BDSM or despises them all has no bearing on her ability to lead, and it's funny that you should take such umbrage to people's unwillingness to see female characters as they are while at the same time showing such intolerance to other possibilities.

>>2043470
>Show me as much, using only elements from the movie.
>nothing about her action strikes me as someone who revels in being a queen
-Happily ice skated with her sister as a Queen and smiling among her citizens
-Marshmallow - a manifestation of her emotion - happily put on the discarded crown and smiled like a Christmas tree
-Frozen Fever continued to show us a happy Queen
-She built herself an ice CASTLE and dressed like a ruler after exiling herself instead of living a humble life like someone who dislike being a royal
-Her desire "to test the limits and break through" incline me to think this girl is more on the ambitious side than a domestic kitten
-And most importantly, FFS, she never ever stated she hates the throne itself
You see, the burden of evidence must be on you. You're the one who need to prove that Elsa dislike being Queen (tip: you can't), not asking somebody else to prove her liking it. To make it easier to understand: it's like asking people to prove Prince Charming in Cinderella loving his birthright, because "nothing about him strikes me as someone who revels in being king."

>SIMBA IS A FUCKING LION
AND IS A FUCKING LION WHO COULDN'T WAIT TO BE KING. His duty is to protect the lion pride and the animal kingdom from evil rulers like Scar. He fucking ran away from his duty due to his guilt, even after Nala told him about the situation at home.

>terrible quality for a Queen
A magnificient assessment for somebody who didn't understand what the hell Frozen was about. I applaude you. Let me humour you: Elsa ran away because she thought for sure she had been exiled, and she was fucking sad. But she came to terms with it and decided to look on the positive side: at least she doesn't have to hide her nature anymore! Arendelle is safe from her now that she's gone, and Anna can be Queen. That is her disposition until Anna came and told her that Arendelle is not safe, and Elsa is devastated because she has no power no save her damn country.

(Cont)
>You are entirely right to say that anyone who thinks Elsa solely ran away due to the royal burden is wrong. However, since Elsa's problems stem from how her guilt and stress lead to anxiety which lead to her powers acting up which lead into more anxiety as she tries to repress them, etc., the stress of being queen and appearing graceful and serene absolutely adds to her burdens.
Yeah no, stop your bullshit right there. Why the fuck do you assume her gracefulness and serenity and paperwork are burdens instead of something one loves to do? Your line of deduction stemmed from a very bias opinion, one that originated from a condescending view that a woman would not like it, she would much rather cook and clean and puck up flowers instead of playing politics, right? Elsa is naturally graceful, as we can see her child self covers her mouth when she laughs, and her Snow Queen self is fabulous as fuck. Her sophistication is not a facade. A queen is a fucking occupation just like anything else, don't be stupid and think of it like a prison or something. Not for a person who never showed any sign of disliking it.

And that, my friend, is why I criticized similar bias. You went down a less logical lane of deduction, instead of thinking about it rationally. You drown yourself in a weak woman who could do nothing but cried, ignoring her ferocity and readiness to kill her enemy for self-defense. You imagined yourself a perpeptually anxious woman (who was anxious because she didn't want to kill people), that you ignore her normal brilliant, playful self who was smiling when she finally came back as a Queen.

Skadi blesses your soul.

>>2043494
>Happily
You mean the artist who is pleased with her creation and is playing with her sister? There is nothing specifically queenly about it.

>Marshmallow
So Elsa never returned for her crown, then? She simply left it there.

>Frozen Fever
It showed us a happy sister.

>She built
Has she lived in any other building besides a castle or worn any garments besides royal ones? Worse still, Let it Go ends with her slamming the door to said castle after having sung about freedom. Elsa built herself another cage to hide in, and hide and run she does when Anna and others show up.

>domestic kitten
...okay? I don't disagree with that. Why are you presuming I think of her as such? I agree: I see this scene as Elsa's ambitiously artistic and creative side, and it's breathtaking, if saddened by how it's adulterated by Elsa lying to herself.

>You're the one who need to prove that Elsa dislike being Queen
No, I don't, because I never made that claim in the first place. If you had bothered to read my post you would have read the part that stated that I DON'T think Elsa hated her throne, but I do call into question the belief that she LOVED it. I think the most likely scenario is that Elsa accepts her place as queen and knows that it is her duty to be a good one. The crown is a huge responsibility, both at her age and lacking her parents as advisors and confidants and because of her own power, but I don't think she despises it. She slips into the role of queen and commander well, but it slides from her grasp at times due to her insecurities and guilt. You are presuming that a lack of love must mean hatred, and I reject that view.

>>2043504
>she thought for sure she had been exiled
She's queen. No one is superior to her in her own country. No one has a right to exile her, period. This is not a legal matter. She fled because she was in terror at being caught, at throwing ice at Anna, her dear sister, whom she had hoped to keep safe and in the dark, and whom she failed, and to get said power away from harming others. She knew of her power and her tremulous grip on it, so her failure to plan for the possibility where she has another accident shows she is not forward thinking, but avoidant. And yes, this IS a terrible quality for a queen. It doesn't mean that she is not fit to be queen, but it is something she MUST work on if she remains on the throne.

As you can see, and as I have noted, I agree with you on some of your positions (yes, I am well aware that Elsa's flight and continued retreat are due, in part, to her mistaken belief that distance will save Arendelle, but again, her failure to plan for the future is still a terrible quality for a queen), and if you'd only stop and read you'd see where and why instead of flying off into your own presumptions. But you have failed to note that her flight does have elements of terror and guilt to it because you want so badly to admire her fully. You can still admire her while acknowledging weaknesses. That's what makes a character HUMAN. You seem very afraid to discuss her issues without presuming the person you're speaking to must be some slavering sexist who has it in for her. Cut that out and talk to me like a real person.

>>2043486
Stop it with the strawman. Being hurt when a someone pushed the right button does not fucking indicate a person is generally a weak person. You must not have watched many theature act when a guy can be stunned, hurt, staggering back and went onto a soulful monologue after someone said the very specific thing that killed his heart. Simba fucking ran away, twice, did you ridicule him too? Elsa had silently protected Anna for 13 years, and now this girl accussed her of being cruel, of course she'd go mad. And Elsa fucking ran away to protect Arendelle from herself: she's no longer in control of her power anymore, and if everyone calls her a monster in her face, she might accidentally kill them. That's no weakness.

At no point did I say Elsa is a butch, which you strangely accussed me of. Have you hever seen a woman caring for his husband on a bedside? Have you bever seen a guy being submissive to a dominatrix? Did I ever say either of them must not do something in bed?

My posts specifically pointed out the ones that depicted Elsa/Anna in a very stereotypical male Anba/ female Elsa relationship, based on their full on retarded selective ignorance of canon, not "nuuuu why would Anna finger Elsa and not the other way around!"

>>2043521
>Simba fucking ran away,
As a child. You keep forgetting that. And yes, he gets ridiculed by Rafiki (and hit) and told off by his father, and rightly so, for abandoning his people.

Where did I accuse you of saying Elsa is butch? Point it out to me.

Yes, you used the phrase "submissive little girl in Mistress Anna's strong arms". "Submissive" and "mistress" both have sexual connotations, as does "so at night". This is clearly in reference to sexual behavior, otherwise you would have not included "at night", since the relationship you dislike would bleed outside just the bedroom.

Where is the straw man in the post you quoted? Elsa's behavior at the coronation party is weak. She is right to be criticized for all but fleeing from Anna, which she does BEFORE she reveals her powers. Her removing herself as a source of danger makes sense after that, but she was leaving before she threw ice. You're the one who took "she is weak here" to mean "she is a weak person".

>>2043520
I'm really fucking tired of your assumption that just because I stressed Elsa's qualities, that I must be one of those who is unable to see Elsa having vulnerability. What did you think I see in the movie then? The whole damn thing is about her struggle.

Please, for a moment, quit assuming and be objective. I started the discussion to pointed out how wrongly some (not all, thanks goidness) people had interpretted these characters, glossing over canon traits to indulge in stereotypical interpretations. My pointing out canon materials, including fucking FROZEN FEVER, are said to be not really canon? Okay then.

And once again, I must disagree on your assessment of Elsa being a terrible Queen, because she behaved reasonably within her circumstance, like a HUMAN would, not a GOD. She accidentally revealed her ice power, which she had been led to believed by the troll and her father to be a montrous thing. She rightfully assumed that if anyone see it, they'd call her a monster. Weselton confirmed her assumption because he fucking did just that. That's why she knew she could no longer stay in Arendelle anymore because 1) people will want to kill a witch and 2) she will definitely kill people in self-defense. That's why she ran away, to protect people. She threw away her throne and her sister, bevause it's unavoidable now. And it's entirely reasonable of her to assume Anna will become the next Queen. Why the fuck would she be worried about that?

are said to be not really canon?
I will accept the movie and Frozen Fever as canon. For the same reason I reject Kopa as not canon and Kiara as canon, I do not see books and comics as canon. Disney has proven how well it adheres to them. At no point have I rejected any of your claims if they stem from the movie or Frozen Fever.

>be objective
I will ask the same of you. Stop it with this strange insistance that if I make a statement that Elsa is weak or wrong here or has a bad quality that she must similarly be overall terrible. Note where I agree with you and why, as well as where I disagree and why. I'm glad you dropped the accusations of sexism in this post.

Because Anna is not ready to be queen. Anyone with eyes can see that. Elsa saw for herself, up close, how immature Anna is when she demanded the right to marry Hans within the day that she met him.

Why is it godlike to plan for emergencies? That's what rulers DO. The health, safety, and security of the nation is their JOB. The line of succession in a monarchy is absolutely paramount. If Anna and Elsa are the only ones of their line, then determining who is next is line is critical. Elsa lost her parents and the throne fell to her: as queen, she is both legally and personally well aware of the fact that the throne MUST have a ruler and that accidents can and do happen. She is aware that she, herself, is a walking accident, and Anna is little more than a child and is certainly no ruler.

>>2043540
Both as a child and as an adult. Fucking read the whole sentence. "Twice."

The strawman is that the poster accussed me of saying Elsa must never be weak, while my entire point was "there are too many people who depicted Anna as this stereotypically manly figure and vehemently insisted this is the most accurate depiction of their relationship." Which was meaning of the "strong arms" part. Because, hey, it's not sexy if you pair a womanly, trollish, sensible person with a girly, clumsy, romantic person.

And I had repeatedly pointed out that many actual hetero relationships has the girl being femdom, or taking care of their sick/wounded husband, or playfully bully their "whipped" husband. So believe me, I have no hard time at all imaging anyone on top, be it male or female, be it a shy or hardass person. There are, however, a big difference between writing a dominatrix Anna and a stone butch Anna. That is how OOC comes to be, not about who is fucking on top.

>>2043551
Shit, what gets me is that I don't even disagree with a bunch of his views, but somehow, according to him, I'm totally at odds and a sexist and think Elsa is a terrible queen and asking her to plan for things is asking her to be godlike.

Subtleties, man. Having two reasons for doing things. Doing something out of duty with neither hatred or love attached. Somehow...just too hard to understand.

>>2043551
According to you, obviously those are only my headcanon then. Even after being supported by all other side materials, okay. Go on. Tell everyone how your impeccable understanding of the movie were dismissed by Disney. How dare they betrayed you like that!

>>2043556
Then drop the "twice", since he's a child when he runs away first and it's not fair to lay that at his feet. You know that a child running away and an adult running away are not comparable. And again, I just said I DO criticize Simba for running away when he is an adult.

It seems we don't disagree on matters of sexuality. I wish you had made that clearer in your first post by only and specifically sticking to relationship models instead of using what is clearly sexual imagery.

>>2034888
>Meridelsa
On topic of:
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10922249/1/Shot-Through-the-Heart
Completely accidentally noticed that it just updated after a year and a half.

>>2044703
>Anna and Elsa speak in song lyrics
Please kill me.

>>2044920
It wasn't that bad, considering.
I liked the "sweetie, you might be gay" implication of Merida's talk with her parents.

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The magic heart makes it EXTRA platonic.

Is Anna or Elsa a better girlfriend for Rapunzel?
Hardmode: no saying "both"

>>2045041
Idunn.

>>2045041
Well, let's break it down.

Rapunzel is a very caring, strong willed, intelligent and fiercely curios and artistic young woman who has been unhappily cooped up due to emotional manipulation and fear while dreaming of freedom. She demonstrates an innate ability to command and, while paranoia from her upbringing causes her to be initially tentative with others, she quickly opens up, and perhaps too quickly and totally, leading her to harm. She loves totally and honestly. She is exuberant and optimistic and open to wonder. Her first day out in the world she experiences a rush of conflicting emotions. She possesses an incredible power in a world that seems relatively devoid of magic. When she finally overcomes her issues, she is attentive to her people's needs and comfortable with ruling.

Elsa is the pessimist to Rapunzel's optimist on account of what has happened to her and what she's done, but their qualities besides this overlap rather well. It allows them to see kindred spirits in one another besides the most obvious bond of being magically gifted among a sea of normal people and locked away as a result. Rapunzel's sunny nature and her love of caring for and healing people, regardless of whether said magical abilities exist anymore or not, would make her quickly devoted, and Elsa, in turn, would be shocked to discover not just that she's not alone, but she is understood, seen for exactly who she is, and still loved, without any fear. The Elsa that had healed well enough to skate with her sister would be coaxed, and happily so, into the light by a beaming Rapunzel, the girl who loved and listened and knew.

Anna and Rapunzel would be fast and fierce friends to match Rapunzel and Elsa's smiling, growing love, and all would be the better for it.

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>all those walls of text about bikes, lions and feminism
This is a whole new level of autism, even by /u/ standards

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Anna confirmed as the top in the relationship.

>>2050808
Still no artist?

>>2045042
What? Why?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AU8ZQJFrGSs

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>>2043232
Yep, character concept from when she was evil, I believe there's also a short animation floating around that was scrapped when they changed course.

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>>2045016
>platonic
Oh boy, I'd forgotten how much I missed this word.

More from based Nyamo

>>2051338
Looks familiar. Anna looks like a trace over old Dory's pictures, desu.

Holy shit, those walls of text about fucking bikes and feminism, so fucking autistic it's amazing.

Anyhow, can anyone recommend me something that's longish and not too horribly occ? And well, generally not shit?

Has anyone read A qui tu penses, Anna Andersen?
If so, how is it? Has it got any merit? I'm asking because I can't just skim through to get a feel for it as would with a random english one.

>>2053066
If you've read things before, there's nothing new.

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>>2051136
There was.
>2016
>audio not allowed
Literally 1980s.

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>>2051138

>>2053733
>I love you too
>I love you

>Text is read from right-to-left like in some sort of moonrune tome.

Love the art, but this triggers me to such an unreasonable degree.

>>2053066
A Snowball's Chance in Hell is 80k words and not too shit, but I can't remember if the characterization is good. Currently I'm reading The Royal Commoner which I wouldn't recommend too highly. Care to list some of your favorite fics so we know what you've read?

>>2050993
They will never make her a lesbian, because it would basically admit to everyone that she was lusting for her very hetero sister.

>>2057882
Literally what?

>>2057926
Anon is implying that confirming lesbianism when true love is already a major aspect between two sisters would make even the sraightest soccermoms bridge the gap and reach a conclusion regardless of true intentions on behalf of the authors.

>>2058107
>make even the straightest soccermoms bridge the gap
Well, shame on them and their dirty minds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohBif6tVJKU

>>2058197
For fuck's sake what is this cancer, couldn't you have linked some better source, one that's not some sensational clickbait bullshit?
http://www.etonline.com/news/189295_exclusive_idina_menzel_reacts_to_frozen_2_petition_to_give_elsa_a_girlfriend/
And she just says "it's great" about the petition, not necessarily about the idea.

The worst thing about Elsa getting gayed up would be the ABCDEF+ "community" annexing it as their victory. I don't want them to have it.

>>2053731
>not 1840s
Thanks though anon, mind if I save it?

>>2058200
Yep. If Elsa is canon gay, trannies will start demanding their slice of the pie.

Anyone reading this: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11649709/28/Risky-Business?
Why is Hans even there besides being a token love interest for Anna?
>inb4 b-but Anna's not gay
Yeah, well, I don't give a fuck.

>>2059968
>28 chapters
>23k words
That's a red flag if I ever saw one. What did you make of it, though?

>>2059996
Reads OK, but all her fics are like subliminal tumblr preachings. The author holds questionable opinions that bleed through into her fics. I'm waiting for the big reveal and "deep" morals.
Wouldn't recommend unless you really don't have anything else to read.

>>2043297
>Gray
I've heard rumors that it's actually X-Arielle, but they're probably false.

>>2060114
You're confusing your board history. X-ARielle was known for a while on /u/ as Gray, back in the board's early days like pre-2010. Gray from /frz/ largely came from the fact that they did a bunch of their first pieces in monochrome.

>>2060122
Oh.
Like I said, probably false. Must have read something somewhere and gotten it wrong.