Madoka Magica: Discuss Potential Movie Four Edition.

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>>1926366
I hope Madoka realises who she really is early on in the movie rather than the end and have it end on a another cliffhanger.
I'd like for this to be the final part of the Madoka series really.

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I hope it's a series and not a movie.

Or Crunchyroll does something like they did for Digimon Tri. I could live with that.

I also hope for more witch stuff.

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>>1926372
It would be pretty interesting if we got to see all the girls transform into witches at some point if it were a series.
So far we've only really had that happen in the games.

http://w0s.jp/diary/445

Script for concept movie out, anyone care to translate?

I can understand 90% of them but better leave it to people who actually knows Jap.

>>1926433
Scripts out? Hooray! Now let's hope the movie comes out next!

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>>1926433
There's a script but no camrip yet?

Ugh, suffering.

"もう誰も恨まなくていいの。あなたは……私が……。"

>You don't have to hate anyone more. You have... me.

MADOHOMU CONFIRMED FOR 4TH MOVIE

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>>1926439
>MADOHOMU CONFIRMED

>>1926439
It's not true. It's false.

>>1926438
There will probably never be a camrip.

>>1926438
>>1926521
Yeah they're being very strict about people not being able to record/take photos.

Why was Rebellion such a piece of shit?

>>1926708
why are you such a piece of shit?

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>>1926439
FINALLY

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>>1926439
>MADOHOMU CONFIRMED

These Fairies(Yosei) 99% meant to be clara dolls. Madoka asks Homura and them for help.

>>1926961
I was thinking they meant Kyubey since pre-release stuff from like 2010 described him as a fairy or something (or messenger of magic).

Man, I hope this manifests as a sequel, I really do. Even if the first series was an excellent and complete thing in of itself and it didn't need anything more, continuations just make me happy. I love the world and characters too much.

>>1926962
Kyubey is dead, I don't think they will develop and focus on him anymore. These dolls are much more interesting stuff to do.

>>1926965
Kyubey isn't dead

A full on familiars versus mahou shoujo war would be cool to see.

Just finished reading Homura's Revenge. When I started reading I was already dreading how they were going to end it, after all what would stop Homura from just grabbing Madoka (and any other surviviing characters) and trying over if the timeline doesn't work out. Instead we get barely any reason whatsoever, besides Madoka deciding to stay because muh abandoned timeline. Which by all means should just add to Homura's despair, as it means all of her abandoned timelines still exist somewhere, and all the abandoned, dead or witched out Madoka do too.

But this still Isn't any reason for her not to try again with another Madoka next timeline, and actually fucking work together explaining things to the others. I do not understand why she abandoned this timeline in the first place. Both Madoka and Kyouko live and the city is saved. So what if madoka made a contract, she lived through it, and as the strongest magical girl it shouldn't be hard for her to get enough griefseeds and provide for her friends. This was by far the most positive ending Homura got from all the timelines we've seen. I mean, it's been previously established that Homura doesn't actually care that much about what happens to the world, as long as Madoka is save. And it's not like madoka will live forever if she doesn't contract. This way the both of them could have lived comfortably for as long as they wanted, possibly until the end of the world, and then witch out together, the latter being one of Homuras own suggestions in an earlier timeline.

I either missed something or this ending was stupid.

>>1927046
To Homura, Madoka making a contract is a failure... her goal is Madoka' safety AND prevents she becomes a Magical Girl

>>1927047
I'm aware but that in itself is a contradiction as madoka will die at some point in the future anyway. And there have been numerous timelines where Madoka became a magical girl and Homura continued it, trying to defeat walmart night with her. It was only after she realised Madoka couldn't defeat it without witching that she decided she'd have to prevent her from contracting in the first place. But all went right this time, so there shouldn't have been much reason to reset.

>>1927049
It is a shit story. Stop thinking about it.

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>>1927046
I only read volume one of this manga and I won't be reading the rest.
I guess it changes a bit over the next two volumes, but volume one just seemed like a slightly different version of the original.
I'm not going to put time into something I've already read before. The potential for a story where Madoka remembers everything could have been amazing. It's a shame they fucked it up.

>>1927049
>madoka will die at some point in the future anyway.
Yes, but there's a difference between Madoka living a long and peaceful life before she dies of old age and Madoka having to battle witches every night just to possibly reach adulthood.

>>1926439
Where were you when the Madoka-never-loved-Homura shitposter was BTFO forever and ever?

>>1926433
まどか&ほむら「幸せって、何かしら。」
Madoka and Homura: I wonder what ‘happiness’ is.

まどか「それは、5月の麗らかな陽射し。」
Madoka: It is the bright sunbeams of May.

ほむら「それは、温かな家族。」
Homura: It is a warm family.

まどか「それは、朝ご飯の目玉焼き。」
Madoka: It is sunny-side up eggs for breakfast.

まどか&ほむら「けれど、そのどれもが天国にはないものです。」
Madoka and Homura: But Heaven has none of those things.

まどか&ほむら「幸せって、何かしら。」
Madoka and Homura: I wonder what ‘happiness’ is.

ほむら「それは、誰かに名前を呼ばれること。」
Homura: It is having your name called by someone.

まどか「それは、誰かの名前を呼ぶこと。」
Madoka: It is calling someone’s name.

ほむら「それは、誰かが自分を想ってくれること。」
Homura: It is someone thinking about you.

まどか&ほむら「それはなにひとつ、神様にはないものでした。」
Madoka and Homura: The Goddess had none of those things.

ほむら「トカゲの女の子は、神様のことがとてもかわいそうに思えてきました。」
Homura: A lizard-girl could not help but take pity on the Goddess.

まどか「こうしてトカゲの女の子は神様をまっぷたつに引き裂いて、その片方を天国から地上へと連れ去ってしまったのです。」
Madoka: And still thinking that, the lizard-girl split the Goddess into two equal halves, and kidnapped one of those halves, taking her from Heaven to the surface of the earth.

>>1927360
ほむら「その残酷なまでに優しい輝き、闇の中で出逢うには……まぶしすぎる。」
Homura: And until that cruelty, that gentle radiance, when it was met in the darkness…was too dazzling.

A「最近猫が多いね。」
A: Lately there’s been a lot of cats around, huh?

B「死んだ猫が混じっているんだって。」
B: They’re mixed in with dead cats.

A「死んだ猫はどうやって見分けるの?」
A: How can you tell they’re dead?

杏子「あたしが許せねえのはな、そういう訳の分かんねえ理由で他人にヤッパを向けるやつだよ。」
Kyoko: I can’t allow this. That person would definitely would turn to someone else in situations like this with unexplained causes. [not sure on this]

さやか「嘘でしょ、どういうこと。なんであたしにこの文字が読めるの?」
Sayaka: That’s impossible, isn’t it? How can this be? Why can I read these characters?

仁美「それはきっと、口止めされているんですわ。魔法のご利益って内緒にしておかないと、効き目が消えてしまうものでしょう。」
Hitomi: I’m they’ve been forbidden to talk about it. If the benefits of magic aren’t kept a secret, perhaps its effects will disappear.

なぎさ「これは何やら陰謀の臭いがするのです。」
Nagisa: For some reason this smells [suspiciously] like a conspiracy.

キュゥべえ「どうして僕が? それこそ、何のメリットもないじゃないか。」
Kyubey: Why am I [here?]?…isn’t there no benefit to this whatsoever?

マミ「あなたもあなたで、誰と一緒の時も隠し事ばっかりね。」

Mami: You too keep secrets from yourself and from whoever you’re with, don’t you? [unsure on this one too]

ほむら「私の邪魔をしようっていうの?」
Homura: Are you saying you intend to get in my way?

>>1927362
まどか「もう誰も恨まなくていいの。あなたは……私が……。」
Madoka: You don’t have to resent anyone anymore. You…[have]…me…

まどか「助けてくれるの? あなたたちも、妖精さん?」
Madoka: You're going to help me? Are you all fairies[/elves], too?

>>1927362
Correction: Should read: Hitomi: I'm *sure they've been forbidden &c.

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>>1927360
>Madoka: It is sunny-side up eggs for breakfast.
This doujin is now canon.

>>1927405
I love when porn doujins have dumb plots like that.

>>1927360
So Yuri Valhalla confirmed to not be so great after all?

>>1927441
Even though I love the idea of an actual, literal yuri valhalla, I bet the actual LoC is more like a nirvana-like bliss. You're happy, you've reached enlightenment, but the experiences that make us human and aware are all gone.

>>1926439
>>1927363
Something tells me the full line will be something along the MadoHomu confirmed side.

Let's be honest: MadoHomu reconciliation is a when and how, not if.

I did read a review earlier in which Urobuchi stated that he felt he has never truly had Madoka be an active character on the series. Rather than a passive plot device, I think we will actually see Madoka play the role of the protagonist she was meant to be.

>>1927363
This also seems to imply Madoka is doing something dangerous. Homura has never fought side by side with Madoka post timeline 3. Rebellion obviously doesnt count.

If Homura decided to protect Madoka by locking her in a massive labrynth to insure her safety through ignorance, she would not consider helping Madoka do something dangerous.

By helping Madoka, Homura (?) is accepting that Madoka is strong enough to face battle. Rather then hold her back to protect her, she is standing with Madoka against whatever new threat they face.

If the Clara Dolls are a reflection of Homura's emotional state, then I believe their offering of assistance is an affirmation of Homura's acceptance of Madoka's wish to protect everyone.

Rather then protect her by keeping her ignorant, Homura will protect her on the battlefield.

This would bring resolution to the final character conflict of ther series.
Kyoko and Sayaka healed their wounds in the series.
Mami's loneliness and weakness created by it were solved by Nagisa.

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>>1927541
>This would bring resolution to the final character conflict of the series.

You forgot one.

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>>1927778
Beautiful

>>1927765
Very good point. I think Sayaka will come to an understanding with Homura. At this point Sayaka really believes Homura is the devil.
Perhaps through her interactions with Kyoko? She won't "forgive" Homura, because that forgiveness can only be given by Madoka, but she will at least understand her motives.

>>1927765
Stop.

>>1927778
Is this real? Did someone get the video?

>>1927850
I think it's fanart going by the face.

>>1927852
Thanks. The face does look like something SHAFT would half ass and then fix on Bluray later though.

>>1927850
>>1927852
It's an official screenshot as promotional material, I think. http://www.anime-recorder.com/ArticleDetail.aspx?seq_no=5815&AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1

Caption just says "From the Madoka Concept Movie"

>>1927178
Faust dies after he has one true moment of happiness. Mephisto mocks him as he dies telling him that he will become nothingness. and tries to steal his soul. God's angels show up at the last moment and take Faust to Heaven. He is only able to go to Heaven after he became a demon because he strove for redemption and because Gretchen would only consider Heaven paradise if Faust was able to be at her side.

Homura is neither a magical girl or witch. She cannot be taken in by the LoC. Madoka is confirmed to be lonely in heaven acting the LoC and is confirmed to be at least two parts.

If Homura is still Faust in this story, Homu-hating shit poster better be ready to kill himself after we see the most heart warming ending of all time.

>>1927866
>heartwarming
But this is Gen. Instead of Homura and Madoka ascending to heaven to be happy they are both corrupted and rule the universe.

>>1927868
>Doesn't matter, still MadoHomu

He wanted to give them a happy ending last time but felt it was too forced. At this point it seems like they have enough to overcome that they would deserve it.

Also, Gen seems to have been toning down the dark lately. Gargantia and Expelled from Paradise come to mind.

>>1927856
Or just an in-between shot, meaning it doesn't need to be fixed because it's only meant to capture a fraction of a moment within a motion.

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Fan art trickling out.

>>1927778
So Madoka likes ballet?

>>1927405
>liking hot sauce on her eggs
Homura is best girl.

What does the added description of the movie say?

IMO, Homura might be that witch thing mentioned.

She made her wish with love, so she'll despair through hate. Possibly?

>>1928196
Link?

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>>1928251

http://w0s.jp/diary/445

It's on the bottom. But that might be seperate from the Concept movie, I dont know.

On a related note, if Madoka made a new contract and this is supposed to be her outfit is her new magical girl outfit, the soul gem is now on her heart, rather than her neck.

>>1928259
No, it is. I guess maybe I'll pastebin it? It's really long. I'm the guy who did the script above. Also, is that a drawing of Madoka's new meguca outfit, because holy fuck that is fuckin adorable.

>>1928265
Sounds good!

Mami is holding off Homu, while Madoka is telling Homura that she doesnt have to hate anyone anymore. The line that waa cut off probably affirms her love for Homura because it has a quick transition.

Looks like Devil Homu wont go down without a fight! There is also literal fairy. She's wearing a new outfit and that appears to be it.

>>1928265
It's Devil Homura riding some sort of witch creature.

>>1928265
http://pastebin.com/f86tZx8E

Did my best, hopefully this is accurate.

>>1928291
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=manga&illust_id=53831867
This was also linked in the bottom of the post.

>>1928291
It reads very well.

D-d-do you still think MadoHomu in the end? I couldn't bear one of them killing each other...

>>1928296
Possible love-suicide is what I'm gathering. Le Cygne (The Dying Swan) is often quoted in choreography from Swan Lake, wherein the Prince becomes an hero to be with his swan waifu in Heaven. Plus a ribbon hanging from a tree branch really screams Aokigahara/hanging (most popular form of suicide in Japan iirc). Things look like they're going to go very south very quick.

>>1928298
I kind of got that from the Swan Lake stuff as well. If Homura is a Siegfried allogory (love from first sight/taking a step in maturity/dedicating herself to Madoka's protection) her decision in Rebellion imprisoned Madoka forever. The devil outfit, resembling the Black Swan, means she made the wrong choice.

The white swan forgives Siegfried and affirms their love before they die and reunite heaven. Im okay with that for them.

>>1928296
Homura was able to construct an entire city in her witch barrier. I think it's going to end not just with MadoHomu, but an actual yuri Valhalla with their combined powers.
Or perhaps it's just wishful thinking.

>>1928305
Honestly, we don't even know what they're going to do in the story. I think they will get the happy ending they deserve, but it wont be easy and we will still probably shed manly tears.

I will throw out:

1. No one stays dead in this series. Even those that die continue to live on.

2. If part 1 of the TV series was a deconstruction of hope, then the second half was a reconstruction of hope. It's possible Rebellion is a deconstruction of love, while a sequel will be a reconstruction of said love. Madoka promised to never give up on Homura, and it looks like she's serious.

3. Urobuchi actually likes his character Madoka Kaname and laments that he hasnt used her more. Sayaka is the only one he enjoys kicking down.
>>1928305

4. Ending MadoHomu would be a terrible business move by SHAFT.

>>1928308
>a deconstruction
>>>/tvtropes/
That word doesn't mean what you think it means.

>>1928315
I know Im using it wrong. Madoka isn't a deconstruction. It's the best word I could think of though.


Let's say "shit on" and "redeemed" instead.

>>1928317
I think the words you mean are either subversion or exploration. Deconstruction is a framework of reading literature examining the relationship between aspects of syntax, theme and semantics. It's annoyingly technical, and it really doesn't help that the person who coined the phrase wrote about in the most obfuscatory terms possible. But yeah, has nothing to do with storytelling. More to do with analyzing and understanding a story, and it's nearly always applied solely to the written word.

>>1928322
Thanks for the explanation. I was a lit minor back in the day. I never really grasped the more abstract elements of modern literary theory.

>>1928291
Hey Anon, I got some info on the "long hair Homura" part. Apparently that is normal Homura.


http://sonozaki-shimai.tumblr.com/post/134048597291/summary-of-new-madoka-magica-movies-trailer-at

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I want more pseudo-witch Sayaka!

Regarding the suicide imagery,

Madoka is telling Homura she doesn't have to hate anyone anymore. Considering her Homulilly and Homucifer theme was suicide, I think she could have set up her "headquarters " in Aokigahara or recreated something like it.

>>1928347
Im really worried that they're going to defeat means friendship Homura by using their witches like stands and gain new magical girl forms through fusing with them.

>>1928354
I both really don't want and really do want that to happen. The former's because it would sort of ruin everything about the first series. The latter because I'm indulgent.

I think a Kirara Magica spinoff with that concept would be good, since they're never canon.

>>1928357
Yeah, I agree. It would be cool, but it would be objectively terrible for the mood of where we are at this point in the movie

Kirara is so great and so awful at the same time. I really hope they give the US an official Anti-Materials release.

Homura seemed to be building up Sayaka to kill her ome day at the end of Rebellion. So maybe this witch fusion is an extension of that.

>>1928368
Cont.
Homura's the ballet fan.

If Homura controls this world and is suicidal, and she views Madoka as the white swan, then Homura WANTS Sayaka to be Siegfried, even if she isnt. God damnit you beautiful, austitic devil.

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>>1928372
Homura ships crack and degrades herself confirmed

>>1928383
The reveal of the movie will be that Homura is the Madoka-hates-Homura shit poster.

If Homura gets out of this alive, I really hope Madoka is into submissive girls.

I really wonder what the mood and music were like in the video. The script might be coming off more dark than intended.

I know the very beginning is supposed to be really sad and make Homura come off as sympathetic.

Even if there was serious stuff goijg in, that whole part with Madoka just sounded silly.

I was thinking about the 15th familiar, Ai. Is it confirmed that Ai is Devil Homura?

It has been speculated that Ai is Madoka because she left Homura. Ai is seen dressed as Madoka in the film. If Madoka's new soul gem is in her heart, it may signify that Madoka will fill the role of Ai.

Ai dresses like Homura in her classy tuxedo dress. Unlike the other familiars, Homura cant seem to manifest ai. Which leads me to believe Ai exists independently of Homura and Madoka, but is functionally non-existent.

Perhaps "ai" is her Eva-esque monster? If this is the case, then my theory is dead wrong.

Ai may also resemble Homura. Nagisa seems to be playing detective. Maybe Devil Homura is the manifestation of Ai. Homura's true body/soul is somewhere else in the labrynth (the suicide forrest). Ai may be key to Homura's defeat.
I'm of the opinion that Homura wants to die. Everything in her labrynth and attitude scream kill me.
And that I think will be the most interesting aspect of a sequel: Homura WANTS to die. How do you defeat Homura, who is god-tier at this point, without killing her?

>>1928434
Well, according to some of the recaps there seems to be a non-devil-looking Homura facing off against Mami so you may be onto something.

Epic fight between the two or not, this movie only matters for one reason: Madoka confirms or denies her Homusexuality. My money is on confirm if her new soul gem is near her heart.

>>1928438
I thought about that. Considering Madoka is a magical girl again, perhaps she stole Homura's earring back?

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>>1928347
So did the concept movie actually show her half-form into Oktavia? Like out of Bleach?

Because I'm really hoping that's what it is. Oktavia materializing as a Berserker-style suit of armor would be the absolute best.

I'm still holding out over Urobuchi stating he wanted Sayaka to be the central character in the sequel. In the end they'll probably just bounce around perspectives like they did with the original, but I still hope the Sayaka/Homura conflict is one of the most central themes.

>>1928721
Wearing the witch helmet apparently and fighting wraiths.

Urobuchi would just find some way to kick her down again, though.

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>>1928726
Obviously she's going to have a heroic sacrifice, and Madoka will regain her memories from the rage.

That's the best victory Sayaka could hope for.

>>1928823
I really dont know what direction they're going to go with this.

Some obvious problems:

If Homura had just stayed in bed at the end of Rebellion, she would have died and lost her consciousness. She wouldnt have been reunited with Madoka in the traditional sense and tore Madoka away because she was more concerned about Madoka's loneliness.

If she dies and isn't saved by the Law of Cycles, her fate really isn't worse because she doesnt seem to care about that kind of salvation. The end result is she'd never be truly be reunited with Madoka anyways.

Now Madoka hates her? So what. Homura already hates herself. And in Rebellion, she already assumes Madoka will hate her.

This new movie basically comes down to Madoka's choice and declaring to never abandon Homu. But what does that mean? Homura already rejects the salvation of the LoC.
Madoka knows this. Madoka also hate rules that make her sad and has altered the universe before.

How angry do you think she'd be if she got her memories back? Sayaka was already dead to begin with. She'll get her back when she rejoins the LoC and resets the universe. She'll be more concerned about how to deal with the ASD Devil.

If Homura is revealed to be harnessing Kriemhild's powers (universal labrynth, Homu summons a winged monster, explaining ai yo) then the dualistic concept ending is more or less guaranteed. As corny/predictable as I think it is, that is the only option that wont result in something that defeats the entire purpose of an extension. It would erase the existence of Homura Akemi, which results in Homura never telling the incubators about Madokami or going on a devil rampage.

The other option is just annihilating Homura and the universe in a fit of Madokami despair, but again, why bother?

I dont envy Quartet's job.

>>1928897
This would also be the only way for them to reunite in the traditional sense.

>>1928897
Duality is the obvious endgame. Anything else would feel pointless.
The only questions are "How will the story reach that conclusion?" and "how much suffering will the cast endure getting there?"

That damn pic looks right side up in the preview but keeps uploading rotated on its side... Gimme a moment here...

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>>1929036
youtried.jpg

>>1929039
Haha cheers, for whatever reason my computer was not cooperating. Anyway: cute poster currently up in Akiba, I'm sure someone's uploaded a proper scan version somewhere but I haven't looked for it.

>>1929041
It's because the image had an orientation tag in EXIF (taken by a phone), and 4chan strips EXIF.

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>>1928726
Well, it's not the witch helmet. It's some kind of mask.

It's all a mystery.

>>1929147
Wait a minute.... and that jewel in her forehead? o.O

>>1929318
>o.O
No, not here.

Anyway, I dreamt I went to see the concept movie. This is truly suffering.

I noticed something: Homura has her soul gem on her ear. Madoka's new gem appears to be on her heart. Lisen to my heart? Yuri confirmed?

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From the latest Monogatari episode.

>>1930069

Short hair cuts, gratuitous fan service, and pretensious dialogue confirmed for new Madoka project!

>>1930071
Long hair Sayaka and Mami when

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>>1930079
I can only grant half your wish.

>>1930102
What would the other half cost?

>>1930106
You will have to make a contract.

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>>1930106
You lack the karmic potential to make this happen. It's right up there with straight Homura and busty Madoka: it's an offense to the universe.

Honestly, Id probably hate Sayaka less if she had long hair.

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>>1930109
That length's kinda cute. I'm all for shorter hair myself, though.

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>>193011
Im a glasses guy myself. I wish we could get to see long hair Homura with glasses.

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https://mobile.twitter.com/Run_away___0x0/status/672776532322947073

We got some drawings of the action!!!

Law of Cycles as fairy?

>>1930204
Ohh, I'm relieved if the 'fairies' weren't just Madoka getting rused by more QB.

>>1930211
>Madoka continuation where Kyubey isnt the closest thing to a villian.

He probably can't see what Madoka is talking to on that second to last panel but knows it's the LoC.

>>1930220
I didn't feel like Kyubey was really a villain in the series. In Rebellion though, he basically tied Homura to a train track while twirling his mustache

>>1930228
I think they may have actually made him too evil in Rebellion. He was a manipulative ass in the series. But if something happens to the girls in this continuation, I'm blaming him.

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It also looks like this is a literal structure, not GNR.

>>1928897
I'll be honest that the only way I see the show ending is the rules being rewritten again to make some sort of two godess system that is more in line with the theories about Godoka and magical girl Valhalla instead of the law of cycles stuff.

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>>1930204
>Scary devil Homura
>Still shot of sexy long haired Homura
>"You dare to oppose me?"

God damnit, there are two Homura's, arent there?

>>1930243
Our options are pretty much "Kaname Madoka and Kaname Homura present Yuri Valhalla" or "Yandere Homura is Annihilated by Arrow Rain."

>>1930228
Is facilitating Earth's destruction in every timeline by attempting to contract Madoka really incomparable to using a magical girl as bait?

>>1930245
If there are two Madokas (concept/human), there are two Homuras (concept/human).

>>1930299
But there is only two Madokas because Homura separated them. So possibly Madoka will separate the Homuras?

>>1930299
Not necessarily. Homura split Madoka in two, and she could get a haircut halfway through.

>>1930299
>>1930372
That is what I was thinking. That scene with Mami fighting her seems pretty late game. Maybe they split Homura in an attempt to remove her goddess/demon strength, but the devil form is now actually evil.

>>1930117
is there more?

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>>1930463
Yeah, this is page one. The other is page two.

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From a shipping aspect, I want MadoHomu to happen because they're both adorable betas.

>>1930237
what Mami smokes now?

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>>1930299
Now I imagine a comedy season 2 revolving around everyone thinking that Homura went full chuuni (with the whole Demon business) and come up with ways each episode to fix her.

>>1930527
You know that's exactly how it will end.

>>1930478
>>1930493
What was this artist name again Rika?

>>1930549
Rikugo according to Danbooru.

http://danbooru.donmai.us/posts?utf8=%E2%9C%93&tags=rikugo

All his comics have been translated (but not typeset) recently by some good anon.

From MADOGATARI

[救済の魔女の手下]
その役割は計量。
天国へ昇る者達の心臓をその秤へ乗せ罪の重さを暴き見せる。
罪深き者へは魔女からのより深き慈悲が与えられるだろう。

[絶望の魔女]#12
その性質は強訴。
力尽きた全ての魔法少女と叶うことがなかった全ての希望の代弁者。
この宇宙を書き換える希望が生まれると同時に絶望の泥より生まれ
果てしなき悲鳴をその身に詰めて膨らみ続ける空気人形。
魔法少女の因果が回る限り、
この魔女は途方もない大きさまで膨らみ続け、
やがてはその身体で銀河すらも圧し潰してしまうだろう。

>>1930730
Im assuming this new witch is the true form of Devil Homura?

Ugh, please live through this Homu!

>>1930732
Look more like entries for Kriemhild Gretchen and Giant Space Witch to me.

>>1930739
The top one is definitely Kriemhild's minions, but I cant find a witch whose nature is "goso" (strong accusation? ).

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Isn't this just a claw machine promotion? Does Madoka merch print so much cash that they can buy billboards for this too?

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>>1930739
Looks like you're right

http://genga.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=kriemhild_gretchen

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>>1930773
>>1930739
The person who posted >>1929147 on 2ch also did drawings for the witches.
(Pic is Gretchen's underling)

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>>1930777

>>1930780
Gretchen got jacked.

>>1930772
They have an official clothing line, tie in with the Saporro winter festival, and a line of pachinko machines, so Im going to say yes. Sega probably paid for the bill board though.

>>1930792
Every billion yen Madoka makes, the sequel gets another month of delay.

>>1930794
Because it's harder to yuri pander if they hate/kill each other?

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Daily reminder she needs more fanart and a shipping

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"The two people connected by the red thread are destined lovers, regardless of place, time, or circumstances. This magical cord may stretch or tangle, but never break."

>>1930926
Unless it's a kyoani show.

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>>1930730
>>1930780
"What the fuck did I fuckin' say? You should have listened."

>>1930949
You wear a bucket on your head, you argument is invalid.

>>1930799
Why risk rocking the boat when the money keep coming in? Just take a look over at the disaster area that is the Free movie, worse per theater sales than Yamakan's Wake Up Girls and the fans are abandoning ship.

>>1930957
I've been out of the loop. What's been happening there?

The only warning flag for me was casting the kids' adult voices for them as 12/13-year-olds.

>>1930957
That's true. But it's not like they didn't make Rebellion with that intention. I became a fan after 2013, so all I see is post-Rebellion angst from people who abandoned ship rather than what the fan base was before. It doesn't seem like that's slowed anything down sales wise though.

I know that regardless of what happens (I'm leaning toward "Homura is Madoka's new half as the LoC") there's going to be some sort of shit storm. But unless the ending is completely vindicative to it's viewers and fan base, I can't imagine it destroying people's perceptions of the franchise that the series and Rebellion didn't.

>>1930554
>not typeset
damn shame.

>MadoHomu ship sinking

I think some people are a bit too paranoid.

>>1931191
The rational part of my brain says they could never hate each other and that a conflict between them would only strengthen their bond after the eventual reconciliation.

A small horrified part of me thinks Urobuchi would do it.

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>>1931211

>>1931210
No he wouldn't. He even wanted to give them a happy end in Rebellion.

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>>1931210
Everything they went through had a purpose. Urobuchi isn't some edgelord. Worst that could happen is the continuation ends on another cliffhanger, but MadoHomu is literally the core of the series and its themes.

>>1931216
>>1931220
I agree with y'all. You guys are 100% correct. Like I said, it's just a very small part of my brain.

>>1931213

■ニュータイプ2016年1月号より。インタビュー
”コンセプトムービー”について
アニメの制作に入る前には、”イメージボード”と呼ばれる作品の雰囲気をつかむための
一枚絵を用意することがよくあるのですが、それと同じような位置づけのものを
今回はムービーで作ってみました。言うなれば贅沢なイメージボード
『こういうふうにつくる』という、現時点での作品の”核”のようなもの
映画でいうなら、限りなく”予告編”に近いものと言えます
・以前から”新作”のためのミーティングを重ねていた
・MADOGATARI展は新作の情報を明かすいいタイミングだった
・まどかがバレエを踊っているのもしっかりと新作の本編にあります
・マミは三国志の関羽のような”戦いの神様”のイメージで新作ではさらに強くなる
・仁美やなぎさも新作で活躍します
・コンセプトムービーだけで完結しているのではなく、ここから新しい「魔法少女まどかマギカ」が始まるんだ、ということが皆さんに伝わるといいなと思っています

Mami is apparently going to be a Guan Yu-like figure (Romance of the Three Kingdoms). Mami confirmed dead.

>>1931224
"Mami overrated confirmed"
Jokes aside, this already begans to stink for me...
I like Mami and all, but.... give her a protagonic role is an idea I don't share with the majority of fans...

>>1931229
She's the only one who's been shown able to stand against Homura and also the only one who seems completely unable to empathize with her. I'm viewing it more like "hero antagonist" than protagonist.

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>>1931235
She's able to stand against her if she fixes the fight before it starts. That ribbon BS basically made homu just an augmented human.

I need to stop being such an autist about homu.

>>1931239
Haha, I meant in the past. Homura's never won a battle against her. 99.9% chance Homu stomps her this time.

>>1931243
Cont.

Correction: Homu wasn't trying to start shit in E3 though, so that's barely a fight.

>>1931243
I don't think we've seen them fight except in Rebellion, so with Homu's powers not negated from the start she'd stomp Mami and there'd be little she could do about it.

>>1931246
What bugs me more is that Mami was paranoid enough to rope her while they were drinking tea.
>Homu Haters: Homura is a textbook psychopath
Did they even pay attention to Mami's actions???

>>1931251
To be fair, Homura had just changed her look completely and was acting odd. Mami did not suspect something was up out of nowhere.

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>>1931253
Relevant dojin

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>>1931257

>>1931224
>Mami as GUan Yu

I never knew I needed this so much in my life.

>>1931259
Tougall is just mad because Myama has a more refined style than they do, so they're picking a shipping fight
perfectly fine with it.

>>1930958

Sub 100 mil opener for the third widest late night anime film distribution since Rebellion and Love Live. Ranked last out five movies debuting last weekend. Per theater-wise, it did worse than either of Wake Up Girls films. Yes, Yamakan finally beat the studio that fired him.

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>>1931264
Maitake2 master race.

>>1931276
Talking about Maitake, is there any nice chap here willing to translate Nisekano? The raw has been out for quite a while though.

>>1931266
And why did it do so bad?

>>1931266
I don't know anything about Free, but why did it bomb so hard? Why would fans leave?

>>1931314
I'm actually in the process of doing it. I've already got about half of it done, I just need to finish and typeset everything. It wont be amazing, but I've got the dialogue and jokes down decently.

I missed a week or two of news and began catching up on the threads.

Just found out about the concept movie 10 minutes ago.

Then I started hitting things that looked like spoilers so I just skipped to the bottom to ask, is the movie available now? And if not, any idea when we can get it?

>>1931266
>>1931320
>>1931321
I'm curious too. Was it even expected to do half as well as the other two? Madoka is Madoka and Love Live is unbelievably huge.

>>1931324
You better read the spoilers. The movie was projected in a japan only exhibition. We might not get it at all.

>>1931324
Concept movie released at Madogatari. No chance in hell of seeing it unless you actually go. Autistically analyzing the script and fan art of the concept movie since then.

January issue of New Type says they're starting production on a continuation and will release something public soon

>>1931325
The wide distribution and heavy promo effort seem to imply everyone involved thought it'd be a megahit. The movie had 50(!) different collectable advanced tickets released going in.

Personally, I think Kyoani just went in over their heads, thinking a very niche fujoshi show could have any sort of mass appeal. The 30k tickets sold Saturday are probably the same 30k people that bought Free S1. It didn't help that the subject matter infuriates even the established fanbase they did have, because of >muh shipping.

In light of ClaRis breaking up, who does the new OP theme?

>>1931239

Remember what happened the last time Mami almost killed Homura?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jp0tBXtxDbc

>>1931224
http://pastebin.com/MztUH13S

Translated for the benefit of non-moonspeakers. Appears that this film was for the benefit of boarding and it's pretty heavily suggested that the thing is about to enter serious production and development.

Also, I guess our two allegories for this series/movie are Three Kingdoms and Swan Lake.
As Rebellion's was the Nutcracker, Thus Spoke Zarathustra and Cinderella; and as the series was Faust, Part One and The Little Mermaid.

>>1931376
Hopefully someone who can actually sing. My money's on Kalafina just doing both OP and ED.

>>1931376
Yuuki Aoi and whatshername, I think they're called Petit Ladies?

>>1930964
>I can't imagine it destroying people's perceptions of the franchise that the series and Rebellion didn't.
Rebellion did it, just see how many butthurt and "haters" exist in Madoka
Is funyn with the latter, because you can find them everytime Madoka is mentioned

>>1931356
It is never a good choice to piss off shippers.

>>1931229
I can see Sayaka, Mami and Madoka having a protagonic role for the new project, would be more easy if its a 2nd cour series
>>1931380
>inb4 some kind of pottery happens in their 4th duel having Madoka stop Homura form killing Mami

>>1931398
>implying japan gives a shit about western haters

>>1931382
>MADOGATARI was good timing to announce news of a new production
>Madoka dancing ballet is firmly in this installation of the new production

Can we consider this an official sequel announcement, finally?

>>1931405
Not for now until they release the concept movie tot he public along a official announcement of the new story

>>1931405
No. This can still mean that we are 4 years away from a sequel.

>>1931403
They'd only matter if they stood in opposition to Madoka's wishes (not completely slaughtering Homura). That's right up Mami's alley.
>>1931416
So Madoka 4 is the new Kizumonogatari?

>>1931382
I've made a few corrections after re-checking it, since this was a bit of a rush job. This is slightly more accurate than my previous translation. There were no contentious errors, though.
http://pastebin.com/MgC4UV5a

>>1931405
Sort of. I mean, it basically says that they've entered serious development and have been drawing concept art and storyboards. I don't think we'll get an official official announcement until production proper is underway (ie; key animation has begun), but it appears that the final stages of development are underway; presumably, the scenarios are semi-finalized, Ume's designs are probably finished, and they're in general agreement on where to go next. I think it's now just getting down to the nitty-gritty like specific dialog, boarding, division of episodes or acts in the case of a film, etc.

>>1931424
>So Madoka 4 is the new Kizumonogatari?

It can be. We all know hints towards a new series can easily turn into nothing. Anybody remember the third Nanoha movie?

>>1931432
Are we really that jaded? It's only been 2 years since Rebellion and that was only 2 years since the series ended.

>>1931436
Just saying people shouldn't get their hopes up too much. Can't hurt to stay slightly pessimistic and accept that it might take another 1-2 years.

>>1931436
Don't forget this
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-10-16/new-madoka-magica-show-considered-after-3rd-film
a new show was considered during the production of the trilogy movies and that was 3 years ago

So what is everyone hoping for? Movie or series?

I personally would prefer a movie or even a two part movie.

I might be able to do another 12 episode series, but don't think I'd be able to put up with a full 24 episode series.

Rebellion set an expectation of quality, and I think it'd be difficult to go back to a late night "buy the Bluray!" production.

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>tfw /u/ thread is comfy
This is why i love talking about madoka here, i feel so much Ai Yo for you megucanons
>>1931445
I would like a series, i enjoyed so much the threads in /a/ when it was aired

>>1931444
>http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-10-16/new-madoka-magica-show-considered-after-3rd-film

I think that was an overly optimistic interpretation. He said stuff was "being considered", which we know was true and now have confirmation of it in the form of the concept movie.

>>1931443
100% chance this isn't happening till at least Fall of 2017.

>>1931445
I would prefer another 12 episode series.

>>1931445
>>1931446
>>1931461
Absolute worst case scenario: new 12 episode series, 2 years of recap movies, then another movie.

>>1931426
Pre-production for the TV series started in late 2008, 27 months before release:
http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Production_timeline

Pre-production for Rebellions started after the TV series finish airing, around summer, so also a little over two years before release:
http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Manga_Time_Kirara_Magica_Vol.2#Interviews

Assuming pre-production is just underway, 2018 is probably the most realistic release timeline. (late 2017 at the earliest)

>>1931466
>Absolute worst
>not nothing a really really shitty nonsensical 2deep4u shitfest

>>1931467
It looks like we're at like, the early-mid 2010 phase though. So it could be another year and a half rather than two+ years before we see anything.

>>1931468
That's largely why I dont want to see anything particularly drawn out or to have too many plot lines going. It's easier to stick to core themes when it isn't over extended.

>>1931467
>>1931475
Don't forget that Rebellion had to be pulled out of nowhere essentially. The series ended with a pretty conclusive ending. Homura becoming a witch at the end was a prelude to Madoka taking her soul to heaven. Rebellion needed to "alter" this ending while at the same time respecting it.

Any Rebellion continuation will have Rebellion as a spring board. We already have a primary thematic conflict with Madoka v Homura and we already have z primary physical conflicts new Holy Quintet (to a greater extent Mami and Sayaka) v. Devil Homura. We've already developed most of the cast to the point where they wont need entire character arcs to grow.

I really dont think it will take longer than 2 years.

Madoka and her side of MadoHomu are what need the most development.

>>1931516
Cont

As do Mami and Nagisa. But we kind of already have their motivation: Mami is a rigid extremist. She's nice if you aren't oppose her world views. Nagisa is a part of the Law of Cycles. She has no attachment to Homura and probably wouldn't care if she died.

On the other hand, almost any KyoSaya sub plot would conclude their development. Sayaka becoming a justice bitch again would be rehashing old material.

>>1931516
>>1931523
The thing is most of them has potential to be developed in their new environment, even more Madoka and Nagisa who had few to none development

>>1931516
Kyoko has barely any character development, nor does Nagisa, so they would probably need whole arcs, as would Hitomi, assuming she's important.

>>1931582

Just want to be clear that I'm not trying to start an argument haha.

Compare Kyoko from her introduction in episode 5 and to her big moment with Sayaka in Rebellion. She had a lot of development and got 2 full episodes dedicated to her character. Not all characters are created equally and deserving of equal screen time.

Nagisa to me is only as important to the plot as it relates to Mami. Unless her character just has a sudden awakening, she really has no other purpose, albeit an important one, than being Mami's emotional crutch.

Hitomi for first casualty, calling it now.

>>1931530
I agree with Mami. As far as we know she's still the same extremist who killed her friends because they would eventually become witches. If she's as powerful as she is in the trailer, I can see her being the one to kill the witchified Sayaka if she still has that black and white mentality.

Mami has only superficially embodied the qualities of a hero.

In the poster (if it is relevant) she has her back turned toward the audience with a side glance.

Compare with our villian Homura, who is looking contemplatively, but doesnt give off a villianous aura despite where we are at this point in the series. Nor does she appear in her devil outfit.

>>1931653
>killing Sayaka
Eh, no loss.

>>1931661
It honestly fits Urobuchi's track record for gut punching Sayaka when she's at her highest.

Is there any way to buy the clothing from the new madoka clothing line online? My moonspeak is too bad to find the proper japanese shops.

>>1931673
The hoodies sold out online within a minute after it started. Some of the witch barrier stuff is still available though.
http://crosscollection.com/ap/s/s?sort=rk+desc&fq=bd:CC010&fq=scls:n_*&fq=kw:201512madoka*&pi3=15456

>>1931679
Kill me it hurts to live

>>1930730
[救済の魔女の手下]
The Minion of the Witch of Salvation [Kriemhild Gretchen] [no runes/name given]
その役割は計量。
Their task is measurement.
天国へ昇る者達の心臓をその秤へ乗せ罪の重さを暴き見せる。
They can expose the [impurities] of the hearts of those who go to Heaven by weighing the sins place on their scales.
罪深き者へは魔女からのより深き慈悲が与えられるだろう。
The sinful are perhaps granted even more profound mercy than from by the witch.

[絶望の魔女]#12
The Witch of Despair (#12) [no runes given]
その性質は強訴。
Her nature is direct petition.
力尽きた全ての魔法少女と叶うことがなかった全ての希望の代弁者。
The mouthpiece for all the unfulfilled hopes of all spent magical girls.
この宇宙を書き換える希望が生まれると同時に絶望の泥より生まれ
If a hope is born that can rewrite the universe, then at the same time, it is born from the mud of despair.
果てしなき悲鳴をその身に詰めて膨らみ続ける空気人形。
Everlasting wailing fills her body, a continuously swelling, empty doll.
魔法少女の因果が回る限り、
At the end of a magical girl’s karma,
この魔女は途方もない大きさまで膨らみ続け、
This witch continues to swell to absurd sizes
やがてはその身体で銀河すらも圧し潰してしまうだろう。
And in the end, her body could even destroy the galaxy.

Someone should probably double check these and add them to the wiki.

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>Homura doing her devil thing
>Madoka with her split-self ballet thing
>Sayaka dealing with being a demi-witch
>Mami being something like Guan Yu
>Hitomi and Nagisa being somehow important

It's a bad day to be a Kyouko fan.

>>1931686
There was a ten rune long name in the concept movie when Sayaka witchifies. It may be the official name for the Despair witch.

>>1931696
Hey! Kyoko was complaining about cats! Don't take that away from her!

On a general note, anyone else find it funny that Guan Yu is beheaded?

>>1931700
Nvm the beheading, Im stupid and misread.

>>1930730
Allegedly there was some new info on Waluigisnacht and Ophelia and Candeloro's minions now have official names, according to here, http://a-nima-figure.blog.so-net.ne.jp/2015-11-30 but being elevens they didn't take down or know how to read the runes given.

[screams internally]

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>>1931708
I'm just pleased they haven't forgotten about Ophelia and Candeloro.

http://sendvid.com/nlv9tdon

>>1931743
B A S E D
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>>1931743
hameru lose it

>>1931760
This is what happens when you won't put out, gurls.

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>>1931743
>Mami's Noriko/gunbuster pose
>Mami's rifle shot is the last thing heard

We Goddess of War now. I shall prey to Mami and Murder /k/ube with perfect symmetry.

>>1931743
Runes on the LoC emblem say EIEN NI SITE (永遠にして) (In perpetuity). Smaller runes just say das Ewig-Weibliche (The Eternal Feminine).

>>1931775
Eternal Feminine is 永遠にして女性 (Eien ni shite josei) in Japanese.

>>1931783
Ah, okay.

That was a lot less tense than I thought it was going to be. I'm pretty optimistic for some sort of MadoHomu end now.

>>1931743
Mami's role seems to be really, really prominent this time.

That's kinda a surprise.

>>1931812
She'll die in the first 10 minutes.

>>1931814
I think Homura is subconsciously making her more powerful in her universe. Mami's power is growing exponentially and inconsistently. Going back to the suicide imagery, I think this may tie into that.

>>1931814
Yeah, there's 0 reason to believe Homura will be offed by Mami.

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>>1929147
So, now that we get a closer look, it seems like this image (the linked one) is wrong. It's not a gem on her forehead, but rather the top of her helmet. It's just a bit hard to tell.

永遠にして
http://www.mediafire.com/watch/p1p1n49z12g16cp/Madoka_Magica_Concept_Movie_Trailer.mp4

>>1931702
Why?
According to wikipedia, Guan Yu was indeed beheaded after being captured alive by Wu army, although it was a common practice to execute a war prisoner during three kingdoms era.

>>1931827
So is this just an elaborate ritual for Sayaka getting her Stand powers back

>>1931859
Yeah, I was using a crappy source. It said he was killed then later mentioned he was beheaded.

Of course Mami would be a stand in for the guy who was beheaded. But that also kind of implies Mami will lose.

>>1931827
>>1931861
actually if you look closer, the gem is violet, which is homura's color motif.

also given more examination on the part just before this, it looks like she's being held up.

either homura's keeping sayaka suppressed or there's some mind control happening.

>>1931951
it's not neccessarily violet. the whole picture has a violet filter over it. It might just be another layer of the helmet that looks purple because of the shading. Or a blue gem that looks purple because of the shading/filter

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>>1931951
It looks pretty redish to me.

I think we should keep in mind that the series has a lot of shots like this one that aren't literally happening.

>Browsing Reddit and Facebook and seeing reactions

People really think Mami is going to be the hero in this.

>>1932014
"People" do dumb things all the time.

By the way, having long ago argued in what now are effectively prehistoric times over how the follow up to Rebellion could and would not possibly begin with a conflict of Sayaka against Homura due to the mind wipe that Homura performed on her and its effects that were shown, with Homura and the clara dolls fading away from her view, and now with things moving pretty decisively in favor of this argument, with Sayaka apparently restrained and not shown doing much of anything at these new begginings. It sure feels good to be in the right.

>>1932020
I feel any direct confrontation with Homura is going to end in spectacular failure. Sayaka would be the only one who really has a chance, but I don't see this problem being solved with violence.

>>1932024
No one would have a chance in a fight against her other than Madokami. No one else has the power to stand against her reality warping abilities.

>>1932014
>>Browsing Reddit and Facebook

Maybe this is more on you than it is them.

>>1932033
You are forgetting is that Homura is extremely unstable and really, really hates herself.

She may subconsciously want to lose and fuck up somewhere. She was also not able to completely suppress Sayaka too so it is not like she is completely all powerful.

I feel Sayaka being a hotblooded half-witch angel of justice should count for something.

>>1932056
You're forgetting that it was only the first few seconds that she remembered stuff because she was still connected to the old LOC.

Also Sayaka is a shit tier mahou shoujo. No chance in hell.

>>1932056
It'll account for holding off the parts of Homura that are putting up a token resistance so Madoka can go on ahead to confront Homura. Same goes for the rest of the girls.

Mark my fucking words.

>>1932056
Not only is Homura's position as the Devil her punishment for her previous failures and sins, it is thanks to it that she could have Madoka regain a bunch of things she had lost upon ascending to a Goddess, as alluded to in this short piece. There's no reason to think Homura wouldn't give it her all to maintain what she has put in place, and at least two for why she would (though with Madoka's ultimate welfare coming first, as it has always been).

>>1926366
/u/ probably already knew this via the NewType feature, but SHAFT CEO Kubuta has confirmed that the Concept Movie will launch a brand new project for the PMMM franchise:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2015-12-08/madoka-magica-concept-movie-will-be-core-of-new-project/.96224

>>1932033
I think each fight will allow Madoka to regain more and more of her power. Each of their sacrifices open Homura more and more. While making her more and more unstable (thus dangerous) it may also be the only way for Madoka to get through to her.

>>1932061
>Also Sayaka is a shit tier mahou shoujo

Thank you for this. I was beginning to think I was crazy and people were treating Sayaka as if she mattered.

>>1932042
Yeah, it really is on me. I'm a real Sayaka right now.

>>1932075
God-tier fight followed by god-tier love making. But honestly, I dont want to see a god v. god fight. I want to see Madoka challenge Homucifer because then we'd have a much more authentic sense of danger. Madoka is now vulnerable. If Homura were to kill Madoka, she'd destroy the universe in despair.

>>1932061
She's not really a magical girl any more. That she was weak in the series isn't really relevant now she's a transcendent witch-angel.

>>1932097
Everyone else seems to have gotten massive power ups as well. Homura is a devil incarnate and Mami seems to be a super saiyan.

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The reason I think it wont be a god fight is because Homura doesn't even consider Madokami Madoka.

The TL 1 Madoka who sacrificed herself against impossible odds is the Madoka that Homura fell in love with. TL 1 Madoka is the girl Homura made her wish for. This is the one that will have to stand against her to show her how wrong she is.

>>1932093
There are lots of genuine sayaka hate here.

She only gets any praise because she is shipped with a grade A tier girl.

>>1932101
If Homura cared only about the Madoka in the first timeline and not about the one in the following ones, she would have given up on trying to save her as soon as she made this distinction between them. Madoka is Madoka no mater the timeline or if she is Madokami.

Also, the Madoka Homura brought to Earth is half of Madokami, the other half presumably being the Law of the Cycles itself and not directy related to Madoka's identity. Meaning, Madokami is in fact Madoka. Homura does realize this, given her speech in this new film containing the first part of this almost word for word.

>>1932107

To be fair, her series character was designed to be loathsome. I actually like her Rebellion character. I'm worried that she may resort back to being justice bitch in any continuation.

And I'm honestly just projecting my autistic rage at the 1% chance she may be responsible for ending MadoHomu. Homura's going to be acting stupid enough on her own.

>>1932108
Good point. I was wrong.

>>1932114
>ending MadoHomu

Why do people think that is going to happen?

>>1932108
She does make a distinction between Makoda and the LoC though. If she didn't, she would not have split them in the first place despite the LoC just being a part of Madoka.

>>1932116
Why would you think it's not?

>>1932120
Madoka's identity was, how should we say it, preserved in Madokami and that's how Homura was able to take it from her. At the same time however the Law of Cycles is not a person and therefore has no identity of its own, meaning Madokami's is the same as that of Madoka's. Making them the same person, only on different planes of existence and with different powers (karmic destiny).

>>1932123
Madoka's identity has always been core to the series. In the TV series, it was about Madoka's self-identity, whereas in Rebellion it was about which Madoka that Homura identifies. I think Homura's mistake, and the discomfort felt by the fanbase, was that she has to choose, or that she chooses. Madoka, as the Eternal Feminine, is both mother, child, and seductress. There was never a choice to begin with.

>>1932116
>>1932120

I want to believe it wont. But outside of official merchandise and art, there's no compelling reason to believe that they have to stay together. There's no official declaration that they ARE together beside the insane subtext.

Urobuchi says they have a love like relationship based on their friendship and respect for each other that could evolve into more (it def has on Homura's end). Ending MadoHomu would be poor writing in the face of the series. It would basically mean the intention of Shaft was to make a continuation where they made a popular character into a villain for no other reason than to torment her broken soul further to the point where she becomes evil and her best friend has to kill her. It's insanely cruel and wreaks of edginess. But no one said shitty writing cant exist.

>>1932139
That's true. She has to learn to accept all of Madoka or none of her. But Rebellion showed us Homura cant even accept herself, let alone her idea of Madoka changing.

>>1932143
That's exactly why we believe a MadoHomu end will happen. The alternative would make for an absolutely terrible sequel.

>>1932075
>Homura's position as the Devil her punishment for her previous failures and sins

...But it isn't. Why would you even think that?

>>1932171
Her own fucking familiars bully the shit out of her.

>>1932172
But she isn't actually the devil. And she made those familiars out of self hatred.

It isn't like divine punishment or anything, it is literally her doing it to herself. She didn't get put where she is to be punished.

>>1932114
>resort back to being justice bitch in any continuation

I actually still saw her as that in Rebellion, except then she felt even more pretentious about it.

>And I'm honestly just projecting my autistic rage at the 1% chance she may be responsible for ending MadoHomu.
I don't disagree, I can see it happening.

>>1932120
>Why would you think it's not?

Answer my question first. Why would Madoka suddenly hate Homura?

>>1932182
Like I said, 1% chance. The not knowing is really the problem here.

I think Madoka is a lot smarter than most people give her credit for and wont go straight to vengence. Madoka won't forgive Homura because she's all loving or a battered girlfriend; she'll forgive her because she authentically believes Homura, good or bad, is her Homura. There's a lot of subtext in that line from Rebellion that people miss in favor of AI YO.

>>1932184
Honestly, if anyone is going to be responsible for ending MadoHomu, it is going to be Homura. She rejects MadoHomu more than Madoka-never-loved-Homura shit poster because she feels she doesn't deserve happiness. I don't know how they'll tackle that, but it really needs to be addressed.

>>1932198
Honestly though, the only was I see MadoHomu ending is with them dying. I don't think either of them would be able to continue without one an other and suicide on either end would be guaranteed.

>>1932198
Of course Madoka is going to forgive Homura. That is not even something you need to discuss.

>>1931224
>Mami is apparently going to be a Guan Yu-like figure (Romance of the Three Kingdoms). Mami confirmed dead.

All you see on the Chinese forums as soon as this news broke out is head puns.

>>1932114
>To be fair, her series character was designed to be loathsome.

Was it? I really don't feel like it was. She was basically a paladin that fell.

She didn't really become loathsome until Kyouko broke her idealism by beating the shit out of her to let a familiar run rampant killing people and she found out she had sold her soul.

I also kind of find it funny that noone ever hates Kyouko for the shit she did. I mean I like her way more than Sayaka too but still, her not hunting familiars and preventing other people from doing so probably indirectly caused a few dozen people to commit suicide. She also steals shit, tells Sayaka to break her boyfriend's bones for kicks, immediately takes advantage of Mami's death, and is a large part of why Sayaka became a suicidal dark knight.

>>1932217
Kyoko never claimed to be a protector or champion of justice. Kyoko was an outright villian who realized how far she had fallen.

Sayaka created most of her own troubles.

>>1932204
Oh 100%. I meant that she will forgive Homura because she personally loves Homura, not because she has to as a merciful god figure.

>>1932230
>outright villian
In most any other magical girl show? Sure, I could accept that. However in Madoka she's merely a heroine who has fallen from grace. Bitter and disillusioned, thinking only of survival.

>>1932217
Kyouko and Sayaka are the counterparts for each other, which is why they end up being pushed together. Kyouko sees in Sayaka the naive idealistic little girl that she can't admit until the very she still wants to be, leading to her getting into conflicts with her to prove how cruel the world is and justify her own decisions; Sayaka sees in Kyouko the selfish asshole she's scared that she might be deep down herself, leading to her trying to go full Mind of Steel in an attempt to prove how different they are.

>>1932234
That's why I like Kyoko's character. Im a sucker for those redemption stories.

>>1932239
That arc is why I have a lot of hope for MadoHomu.

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>>1932210
It's like Shaft is outright mocking Mami fans at this point.

>Anata wa watashi ga aisuru tada hitori no hito desu

Wishful thinking?

>>1931791
>>1931791
If completely scripted by shinbou..then yes...

Shinbou are motherfucking guy who always need fanservice... Remember spin off tomoe mami anime from shinbou are get rejected by madomagi staff before?

Besides kirara magica are focusing too mami after all and mocking homura as a bit creepy girl(except from myama)..thats why fangirl doesnt buy stuff kirara magica..

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>>1932282
Can you rephrase this post in English?

>>1932282
I'm pretty sure he was kidding when he mentioned the Mami Tomoe anime.

Kirara doesn't seem mean to Homura. Homura Tamura is pretty great. There's a difference between poking fun at characters and being mean to them

>>1932276
You are my one and only love.

>>1931224
Guan Yu was a competent soldier and a loyal friend before the Chinese deified him.

I wonder what that means for Mami (other than that being beheaded thing).

>>1932298
What happened last time Mami tried to kill Homura in front of Madoka?

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>>1932298
Well, there's this.

>>1932298
>other than that being beheaded thing
Man, that part was fun. So Cao Cao gets Guan Yu's head as a trophy and he's like "so we meet again, old friend, you made a mistake in not joining me", and the bloody head just opens its eyes, says "eat shit, Cao Cao" and becomes inert just like that.

Guan Yu gets the last word even after his death.

>>1932245
It really looks like they went ahead of themselves!

>>1932308
Cao Cao didn't behead Guan Yu. Sun Quan did. I've had to correct this error like four times today.

>>1932320
Wei propaganda knows no bounds.

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Am I the only one here who likes Sayaka? Nothing like "best girl" tier, but just, you know, like her as a character?

>>1932326
I'll give you the answer after the next project. It really depends on what happens to Homura and Madoka.

>>1932320
Sun Quan beheaded Guan Yu, Cao Cao just got his head later on (and he gave it a proper burial because he liked Guan Yu).

>>1932107
>There are lots of genuine sayaka hate here

More like, a few tumblr-teir nitpickers who outright admit they like to spite Sayaka fags.

>>1932326
A lot do, not my favorite but is definitely one of the fleshed out characters on the franchise who develops into a bettwr charcter after the series.


>>1932217
>boyfriend
Correction: *crush.

>>1932328
Oh, I misread your post. In every /a/ thread some jack-off acts like Cao Cao killed Guan Yu in battle or some shit. I'm really fucking rusty on my Chinese lit (last read it five years ago) but even I remember that it was the Wu that got him.

>>1932331
>>1932326
As an individual character, she isn't bad and she's a standard well intentioned hero. In any other show, she'd be the main character or a popular secondary character.

>>1932333
>Cao Cao killing Guan Yu in battle
Cao Cao's biggest regret is not getting Guan Yu on his side and he let him get away several times (in dramatizations at least) because of how much he respected him. I don't think he'd execute any of the three brothers, this isn't Lu "I killed my father twice but please let me join your side" Bu we're talking about.

Cao Cao and Liu Bei got along pretty well during their time in anti-Dong coalition too, they were at odds later on but both knew that the other side had their shit together.

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1/4

Theyre just playing up Mami, right guys?

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>>1932361
2/4

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>>1932363
3/4

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>>1932364
4/4

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>>1932326

I always feel that too.

I don't dislike any of the characters, and if I had to rank them I would put her below Homu/Kyouko/Madoka, but I still really like her. When people shit on her unnecessarily I tend to end up feeling the need to defend her and get called a sayakafag when I am way more of a homufag or kyoukofag.

Had a friend who instantly became the biggest asshole anytime Madoka was mentioned because of how badly he felt the need to mention how Sayaka was THE shittiest character of anything ever, and all of his arguments seemed to be copied from 4chan and pasted out of his mouth. He became convinced that Sayaka was secretly my favorite character because obviously there is no other reason I would defend such a disgusting piece of shit. I could never understand how someone could rate Madoka 9/10 or 10/10 and then have such venomous hatred for a character whose story takes up like half the series.

>>1932331
>not liking X character makes you tumblr-tier

I genuinely hate her. Her personality, appearance, her gear, her cape (especially) and am glad she is the butcher's punching bag.
Tumblrize me.

>>1932376
I feel the same as you. She isn't my favorite (Kyouko is), but she is not a terrible character.

>>1932377
You're the just the cutest little edgelord, aren't you?

>>1932337
Now i think the Guan Yu role should be for Kyoko, that if Homura fills a Cao Cao role
Homura despise Mami and even more Sayaka yet she respect Kyoko, so i would expect Homura to invite Kyoko at her side
TL;DR one of the many things expected for a new story

>>1932394
I think they could also be going for Guan Yu the deity. They specifically saod god of war. It might refer to the Taoist or Buddhist deifications of Guan. The Taoist deity is known for being a subduer of demons.

>>1932394
Homura doesn't despise Mami. She has begrudging respect for her and even expressed regret that she was too mentally unstable to handle the truth in Rebellion.

She does seem to hate Sayaka, though.

>>1932401
If anything, she resents Mami for NOT killing her in Rebellion. She rejects Kyoko for the same reason.

I dont really think she hates Sayaka. I honestly think at this point she doesnt give a damn either way. She was def taunting Sayaka, but Sayaka was the one getting angry. If she hated her, she could have done a lot worse than alter her memories.

>>1932381
:^)

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Man, I wanted Angel of War Sayaka (along with Gabriel-esque Nagisa). This concept movie is crushing my dreams!

Stupid Japanese people not knowing Christian mythology very well! Stupid Buddhist symbolism instead! Stupid! Stupid!

I am kidding about all but the first sentence.

>>1932409
And not trying to be a Homu apologist, but Sayaka shit on Homura in almost every timeline, all the way back to Moemura. Homura seemed more frusterated with her than anything during the series. The hate seems pretty one sided. If she were to beat down Sayaka, I cant say Id mind.

>>1932412
The first sentence will happen, just replace Sayaka with Mami, the true goddess of war.

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>>1932420
But I'm a Sayakafag and the end of Rebellion really seemed to set up a Homura vs Sayaka scenario.

>>1932426
Well, I'm a Mamifag who sees the leaked trailer as Mami coming to own the title (if she hasn't already).
All we need is Tart to knight her.
Then we can see french excalibur and unlimited flint-works either side by side or inna conflict.
magical civil war when? Not just the cast but magic girls of ALL time?

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Autism time!

1/4

I have a theory about Homuverse and what it means to the sequel.

My theory is Homura never left this spot. Her rewritting of the universe is taking place from the place she sleep. Using the power of AI YO, she rewrote the universe. Just as in the Nut Cracker, she has chosen not to wake up, instead preferring the dream.

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>>1932467
2/4
This is from the opening to Colorful. The pristine land scape is the location of the isolation field. In her dream, she turned the barren wasteland into a green pasture for her and her friends to enjoy themselves on. At the end, she gave her enemies a happy world in which they lpst their agency, but gained what they were missing in their lives.

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>>1932468
3/4
Where is Madoka during the concept movie? She is in the Colorful forest because Homura's slumbering body resides here. Homura will not allow the drean to end and will slumber there for eternity. Rather then a dream, this is her nightmare as she realizes what she's done. She will not end the dream though, as it means giving up Madoka.

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>>1932470

4/4
So why can we see Homura? Madoka cant manifest herself in person only to dying magical girls while Homura can walk about like a normal humam being? Thats explained by the 15th familiar.

"The fifteenth and last one to come is Love. Nobody has seen this Devil yet. The night is not yet over. She will not end the night again. We are the mourners, the theater troupe of this mortal world."

Key word "devil". Ai is Homura's avatar in Homuverse. Familiars are seperate from their witches, so it isnt unreasonable to say Ai exists seperately from Homura. Ai's mission however, is to ensure the dream never ends. She exists to ensure Madoka is kept in Homuverse. Homura exists in the world through Ai.

Why is Madoka in the forest? She is attempting to awaken Homura. Ai would usually prevent this, but Ai is too busy fighting Mami "Demon Slayer" Tomoe. Mami probably cant win, but her intention is to allow Madoka time to enter the Colorful forest and awaken Homura.

Madoka has to confront Homura who, while seperated from a distracted Ai, is still the god of the dream. Homura doesnt want to end the dream, but Madoka wants to end Homura's nightmare.


Obviously more will happen and there will be greater themes, but this is what Im kinda seeing.