Can we talk about something that I never see anyone mention and

easiest way to achieve character development without much effort desu

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>>87779989
You forgot 1998's Dark City

>>87779989
eat pray love traveling yaya pants

>>87779989
You forgot Waking Life and A.I. if you're gonna stretch it to 2001

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>>87780074
And to hypothesize as to why this is, because millennium shifts are seen as something big and very important and I guess these types of movies are a reflection of our expectations for ourselves

>>87779989
Generation X finding success in the entertainment industry would be my best guess for the release of so many movies of this type

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You left out eXistenZ (1999)

>>87780324
Why would that matter?

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>>87779989
<- also 1999

>>87779989
>the year 2K
Anon you have to understand that during the late 90's and turn of the millennium everyone was thinking about the end of the world in the back of their minds. Not even consciously fearing it, but shit like y2k, or people claiming the second coming of Christ, a magical date that had been set as the arbitrary start of THE FUTURE!!!! For generations. The internet was becoming ubiquitous, but not pervasive. The last hurrah of old media. Technology was getting smaller and cooler every day.
The collective unconscious was obsessed with metaphorical death and rebirth.

>>87780035
this. I'm pretty sure the people who made dark city and the wachowskis both just read some rando's spec script then made their own rip offs

>>87780676
We're pessimistic as fuck.

The people writing these movies are all roughly the same age and generation, so there's sort of a zeitgeist because they all grew up with the same influences.

>>87779989
Generation X at their peak.
Then 9/11 happened and any sort of "progress" in that regard was reset.

We're having another resurgence in those themes on TV. But instead of having a "There's a TRUE self behind all the bullshit", it's all "The world is a bullshit jawbreaker with a bullshit core".

Fargo, Leftovers, Rick & Morty, Bojack Horseman

There's more, I'm sure.

>>87780993
c a t h a r s i s

How crazy were the new millenium parties?

>>87779989
>Vanilla Sky (2001)
The commercial for that trash heap was all like Tom Cruise being all "People wanna STEAL…MY…LIFE!" but that Big Pun song was big back then that was all like "Niggas wanna FUCK…MY…WIFE!"

>>87779989
Memes are more than just jokes on 4chan, m8
The original concept of meme relates to an idea, that grows and is held by a number of minds as some sort of connection, or a mind web, a hive mind so to speak.
Awakening is an idea that has been out there for ages, but only resonates at certain points. There are weird as fuck fields of research working on this shit since decades ago. Weird shit, I tell you...

>>87780016
fpbp

>>87781625
>trash heap
pleb

I noticed this too a couple years ago. There were 3 movies though that represented the core of this phenomenon:
>the matrix
>Dark City
>the thirteenth floor

These three movies have the themes you mentioned, but more specifically they all feature a story about people living in a manufactured world and discover its secrets AND have a noir inspired aesthetic and lighting style. Part of this is due to the fact that matrix reused some of Dark Cities sets (the rooftops and the spiral staircase). Though the lighting is very similar in both films.

I would add Truman Show to this list too because it has the manufactured world plot, but it has a vastly different aesthetic .

As a side note there was an interview somewhere with Nolan where he said that in retrospect he felt Memento was in the same 'group' as the matrix and dark city, so even he has noticed it
>bravo nolan

>>87782279
Moreover, Holloywood screenwriters are a relatively small network of people. If some theme or idea comes up at the office or a party, it travels fast through the rest of the network. Everyone wants to work on what seems popular, and what's popular in upcoming films will be known by screenwriters long before the general public.

>>87779989
It was a Lovecraftian awakening

There is a really irritating amount of sincere movie discussion going on in this thread.

>>87782871
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_films

>>87779989
this is a genuinely good question that I think you could write a book trying to answer. But to me the reason is pretty clear: people began waking up to Jewish control

>>87779989
>>87780074
>>87780871
>>87782871

Adding Equilibrium (1999)

>>87779989
People were scared of y2k and shit
You're obviously underage lol

The rise of the internet

>>87780449
Poop gun?

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This is a pretty weak premise, OP. It is possible to construct golden ages of certain GENRES, but as far as themes go, you can always find plenty of confirmation bias for any worldview you want to espouse. I can easily go back to eighties with your premise and get a solid nucleus starting from Carpenter and Lynch and that's before even venturing to European cinema, Dead Ringers and similar examinations of the psyche. And don't make me go towards Tarkovsky and Antonioni, Bresson who all worked in the same timeframe. Frankly, your question shows that you have not bothered to rethink this neat idea you thought you had, showing you up as nothing more than a poseur.

These themes you mentioned are so universal that nearly any timeframe in cinematic history has plenty of examples. Hell, Matrix is one of the weakest cyberpunk premises, made when the subgenre itself was just a rotting corpse. You need to figure out when the question (aka the theme) takes the front seat and when it's just a fluff for the genre.

>>87779989
1. It was thematically appropriate for the way a lot of people were feeling at the time.

2. Movie studios always release similar movies because one studio starts working on a project and other studios catch wind of it and start looking for similar projects.

>>87779989
What unites us is a common enemy. We needed something to rebel against in this decade, and without a war what we found was the mononity of a planned out life. It was an awakening to carve your own path. A previous poster mentioned 9/11 and they are right, that will be remembered as the pivotal moment in to the next decade. I'd even say the internet, social media or even smart phones will be the moment our current generation kicked off. But back to your issue, the common theme seemed to be a lot of what the Matrix and Fight Club were trying to address- the enemy is invisible, but it is real. Do not waste this one life you are given only to regret it at the end.

>thirteenth floor
>DUDE CHEAP GREEN LASER LMAO

>>87779989
right. well there was a sort of energy forming around that time that hearkened towards an awakening of sorts, large-scale. it reached its zenith with 9/11 and a new paradigm formed. absolute escape from the establishment was discovered to be impossible; you ARE the establishment...

and so that energy settled and dissipated a bit.

but it's coming back. a new awakening, things are happening, be on the lookout.

for an entertaining bit of information check out on youtube the "back to the future predicts 9/11"

actually here, I'll link it for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1ULjJ3EqyY

>>87779989
because the world was about to end, so we needed to discover ourselves and accept ourselves as human beings

it was a different time, it was a time to be enlightened. But then 9/11 happened and the golden age of the human race was over.

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>>87779989
Add Equilibrium (2002) to that list, starring dubs guy.

>>87780871
>>87782871

The 13th floor is like a cinematic lobotomy. I use it as a litmus test for people to avoid.

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>>87779989

>>87779989
You forgot:
>The Thirteenth Floor (1999)
>Dark City (1998)

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>>87786183

To me it's like there's one era that's pre-9/11, then a second "limbo" era from late 2001 to 2006, and everything from 2007 and up is part of a third era, i wonder why that is.

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>>87786169
I am an old man and I never knew this movie ever even existed. I googled it and saw the trailer. I kinda want to watch it to see it. How do I score on your test?

>>87781512
if i remember mine right, the same as every other new years party. just a bunch of people getting drunk and doing drugs.

>>87786389
>How do I score on your test?

Just watch the damn thing

>>87779989
Add Office Space to your list.

But really, the main reason they all seem "of a piece" and don't really resonate with audiences any more is because they were all predicated upon the Boomer Hippie idea that it was some great tragedy of the soul to have to go to work every day. The 90s were a period of relative prosperity, and you could be a fuckup without higher education and still decide to comb your hair one day and get an ok job in data entry or sales.

These movies don't work as well now because the life of an overpaid cubicle drone doesn't seem too dehumanizing when compared to an endless chain of underpaid Starbucks/gig economy/Uber driver bullshit after completing a graduate degree.

>>87786500
so not well?

>>87786624
huh. well put.

>>87779989
Because the late 90s is when corporate minmaxing combined with consumer culture and soulless suburbanism to create a massive upswell of discontent and depression, if 9/11 hadn't happened and overshadowed middle American life this theme would have continued growing more prevalent

>>87786643
>caring about opinions of strangers on the internet

>>87786624
You might have a point there. Hard to portray suburban middle class stability as some horrible thing when half your audience desperately wishes they could actually have it.

>>87786754
you guys are all I got, man.

>>87786389

Watch it, make a thread reviewing it after. I've been going to the theaters for almost 25 years and it's still the only movie I have walked out on.

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chuck klostermann explains this in his book sex, drugs, and cocoa puffs.

he says that the pinnacle of film was pre-9/11 when we began to question reality and made trippy films about it.

then 9/11 happened and we went back to a traditional enemy and began to think outside of ourselves again

>>87779989
You forgot about Equilibrium.

So did everyone else.

>>87786799
I tried to watch the dark tower movie on stream and could only do 5 minutes of it. is this worse than that?

>>87786838
>he says that the pinnacle of film was pre-9/11 when we began to question reality and made trippy films about it.
Well, it seems like we're getting back to that mentality with the 2016 election and the rise of /pol/ and "redpilling"

>>87786884
It's one of my fav movies

>>87786898
I get what your saying but the pre 9/11 was kinda non violent. redpilling is very violent.

>>87786169
oh fuck it's got pile in it.

>>87786897

Watch it. I believe it's one of the worst movies ever made, up there with Now You See Me and Scary Movie 5.

>>87786917
I loved it. It just came out right alongside the matrix and as a result was completely overshadowed.

>>87786898
>a traditional enemy and began to think outside of ourselves
/pol/ is exactly this, though. almost zero reflection

>>87779989
What Dreams May Come (1998)

>>87786884
You're the 3rd to mention it smug guy

>>87787135
Around the 2016 election is when a lot of people, even "normies", began to see that the leftist stuff they were fed most of their/our lives was bullshit lies.

>>87787373
Maybe, but it's still entirely focused on outside forces and traditional enemies, and has nothing to do with any real self-reflection.

>>87787373
Unfortunately a lot of those people soon replaced the old lies (leftist cult) with a new set of lies (alt-right cult).

>>87786169
Yeah it was pretty bad, but it shared a lot of similarities with those other films

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90's anti-establishment zeitgeist was cool shit

>>87785063

European cinema had the surrealist phase very well before Lynch with Bunuel and Alain Resnais being notable example. Also let's not forget the first horror film was Nosferatu.

I think OP was talking specifically about American cinema.

>>87783757
thats why they rushed in 911 it brought all the goys to heel

>>87779989
It's just a societal thing like back in the seventies when they had those disaster movies like towering inferno and Poseidon adventure. Societal fears were over exaggerated and often the antagonists of the film.

>>87787884
Most of those movies have little to do with American cinema / authors other than through money.

>>87783075
Iä! Iä!

Age of Aquarius probably has something to do with it.

the last psychiatrist has a nice series on the matrix as an expression of societal narcissism; if he's right, it would make sense that there would be a trend of similar movies around the same time

http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2009/03/what_was_the_matrix.html

>>87783894
Equilibrium is just a 1984 dystopian world. I don't know if thematically it fits but Some of those skylines and outfit are right out of the matrix

>>87786266
I guess the obvious answer is the winding down of the most active phase of the Iraq war, plus the economic crash, plus the rise of smartphone culture and its spread to kids... but there's probably something even deeper below those phenomena, helping in turn to explain them.

>>87786266
interesting

>>87784017
Flesh and bone gun that fires teeth

>>87779989


Since 2001, we literally live in a parallel dimension .