How does Star Wars fall so far that the prequels are actually

>>87763864
it's just fanboys being contrarian. both the prequels and the new movies suck.

>>87763888
The prequels still are infinitely more watchable. Even fucking Mace Windu is cool

Only on /tv/ do people act like Force Awakens and Rogue One are bad.Go outside.

I've seen numerous people claim that the newest Star Wars movies are the best ones.

>>87763926

The only thing I found impressive about TFA was the bread scene. Other than that it is bland as fuck and normies treat it as a social event and can't pinpoint faults with it on opening day otherwise they'd be ostracized by their friends.

>>87763926
You mean the type of """""people"""""" that give Baby Driver a 4.1 average rating on letterboxd or the """"""people""""""" that praise capeshit?

Lol

TFA is better as a film but the prequels are more artistically interesting

>>87763864
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEWsHz55rX0

The prequels are already classics.

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>fond memories

>>87763926
Rogue One was decent. TFA was boring as fuck, I fell asleep while watching it

>>87763864
Why didn't they use jedi speed to catch up to Maul?

>>87763987
none of that is true

Just thinking about this. Prequels feel like they were from a different time just like the OT does. It's becoming more of a snapshot of time then a classic movie though.

>>87763987
>TFA is better as a film
It's ANH 2.0 with characters nobody but numales could care about.
Hell look at the soundtrack. Its the worst in the saga because the entire story and film is garbage.

>>87764050
>then
how stupid are you?

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It's simple. Lucas wasn't incompetent enough to give the art department the go ahead to create this bullshit.

>>87764028
Dexs dinner is pure kino

>>87763864
>the prequels are actually holding up film wise and culturally wise.
Explain how are they holding up.

>>87763964
I liked TFA but you're right the bread scene is by far the best thing about it.

here's the thing though: name one human moment in the prequels that even comes close.

Lucas doesn't understand how to portray normal human dreams or emotions. he only deals in ridiculously soap operatic absolutes.

>>87763864
The prequels hold up as memes not as films.

>>87763920
>The prequels still are infinitely more watchable
As shit and re watchable as Rogue One and Force Awakens.

Take off your nostalgia googles.

>>87764094

>They thought this would rival Yoda in terms of cultural memory

Cast them into the sun!

>>87764067

>TFA's soundtrack

Don't remind me about that, I was happy John Williams was coming back but I was surprised how lazy the music felt and there wasn'y any memorable songs.

>>87764102

Did the diner influence all 50s diners everywhere in the future or is it really future diner modeled on past Earth?

>>87764129
TFA won't even be a meme
It was so forgettable

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>>87764094

>>87764094
>It's simple. Lucas wasn't incompetent enough to give the art department the go ahead to create this bullshit.
Um... the art department that made Jarjar and Watto? That art department? Because all evidence points to "they did whatever they felt like doing with no oversight whatsoever".

>>87764145
puppet Yoda looked shit and ridiculous for the time too. Don't get me started on CGI Yoda. If you honestly defend shit like the Dooku fight scene you shouldn't be allowed on this board.

TFA a shit. I can't bear to watch it in full ever again. What a shitshow. Rogue One was better

>>87764146
Obviously all future 50's diners were ripping on dex

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>>87764102
theres nothing even remotely german in that scene

>>87764146
It wasn't Williams' fault. Jj didn't direct or make a film that was interesting or had room to breathe for a soundtrack.

If the prequels are worse films how come they were able to do that film wise

>>87764173

At least Yoda was memorable.

I can't remember a single thing about the orange alien woman. I can't even remember her name!

>>87764046
>:^(

>>87764102
No it isn't. It's infuriating bullshit just like the rest of Attack of the Clones.

>>87764173
>shits on muppets

hello highschool. go fuck yourself pleb.

>>87764226
>At least Yoda was memorable.
Thanks to the OT not the Prequels.

>>87764120
Stat wars is a space opera

>>87764241
Detective Obi-Wan is literally the only good thing about Clones.

I would watch an entire Quintology based around Detective Obi-Wan following leads and uncovering covert Sith operations across the galaxy.

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>>87763926
ORANGE
FEMALE
YODA
LMAO

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>no politics in star wars

wat

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>>87764161
Lucas didn't direct Jedi asshole, he was stuck with that scene when it came to editing the new editions.

>>87764167
A rascist caricature of a Jew and Rastafarian are infinitely more cooler then an old expired crunchberry with goggles.

Muh force tree

>>87764028
>you only now notice he has a bushy moustache

>>87764297
Kamino and Jango Fett we're pretty neat. Also clones introduced LAATs so I'll give it a pass.

>>87763864
I always rewatch the sequels every half decade or so, don't think I could ever do that with the new cucked Disney movies

I think we can all agree when TFA turned to shit and it was when Finn met Rey at the market and it was before they got onto the falcon. Honestly, the movie feels pretty fine before that then Rey starts opening her mouth about how she doesn't need a man to protect her and all that bullshit while they are running for safety.

>>87764167
The fuck you say about Watto beach?

>>87764380
prequels*+OT

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>>87763864

Nostalgia doesn't make something good even if you have fond memories of it.

>>87764396
They had to make sure the audience knew she was a strong woman who don't need no man. As if the scene where Finn trys to help her from two aliens that she beats off by herself wasn't enough.

>>87764467
DELETE THIS NOW.

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Some of the set pieces in the prequels were great, for example the Podrace and Duel of the Fates in TPM were damn good, the problem was character development and interaction.

>>87763864
N O S T A L G I A

>>87764343
>IMPLYING
>THAT IS
>SOMEHOW
>BAD

>>87763926
Pretty much everyone I know agrees that TFA is absolute hot garbage and immensely derivative of ANH. Pretty sure they've never even heard of 4chan, either.

>>87764500
>Mass Effect dialogue wheel
>choices
Damn, nigga, that's a good joke.

>>87764500
wtf is that an anakin figure on the bottom?

>>87764467
and what does it? your opinion or the one from some paid "critics"?

>>87764471
you mean like Leia in the OT?

she also gets saved by men throughout the movie so it's not like they forced it or anything

>>87764356
>a Jew and Rastafarian
Really more of a caricature of a middle-eastern scrapyard owner, and a Hawaiian.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwSkfpKTYq0

>>87764559
Usually, good taste and objectivity.

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>>87763864
The only good things about that came out of prequels were the memes and a couple of video games.

>holding up film wise and culturally wise.
wat

>>87764559
your opinion isn't an indicator of objective quality

paid critics have to think critically about movies for a living so yeah I'd rather trust someone who's trained in the art than some 14 year old faggot on an Indonesian kite enthusiast board.

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>>87764500
Anakin built an Android out of junkyard scraps that is fluent with 6 million languages.

Indeed he will have space autism. And George brilliantly portrayed him dropping his spaghetti, like George himself wrote this scene with his own past relationship failings in mind. But since Anakin is space Chad, he gets a pass for spilling his spaghetti

>>87764555
I think so, it's hilarious.

>>87764661
Soundtrack by Williams and sound design by Burtt were pretty great you have to admit.

>>87764764
Episodes 2 and 3 had no memorable songs whatsoever

At least TFA had Rey's Theme

>>87764661
>>87764764

>Couple of video games

Was it me or did anyone else find The Phantom Menace playstation game ridiculously hard? I don't think I ever got beyond pod racing but I did enjoy it on some levels.

>>87763864
>the prequels are actually holding up film wise and culturally wise
They never have and never will. Just because TFA is shit doesn't make the prequels any better.

>>87764764
Amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzVBqBosf5w

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>>87764892
>mfw I can still hear the Battlefront II menu sound effects while this song plays in the background

>>87764685
>spaghetti
>space autism
>chad

Don't think in memes and archetypes.
it only stifles your vocabulary, your brain and your communication with others.

>>87763864
Nu-wars is still better than the shitheaps that are the prequels, stop meming

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>>87764460
Anakin, stop! Palpatine is the Sith!

>>87763864
When did /tv/ turn on RedditLetterMemedia?

>>87764814
Episode 2 had the love theme and 3 had battle of heroes.

>>87764654
>good taste and objectivity
yeah, sure your have both of them, but who knows
>>87764671
and how do you know they are not being paid to write a good review?

>>87764764
Williams was in his prime for the prequels and harry potter
>>87764814
Reys theme is shit. Go look up Confrontation with Count Dooku and Finale from episode 2 and play it.

>>87764961
>Nu-wars
More like nu-male wars, amiright

>>87764356
>He was stuck with that scene
>Being this fucking new
Lucas literally spent a million dollars creating that horrible Jedi rocks sequence for the special editions. In the original movie that alien was just some puppet singing in the background for five seconds before they immediately cut to the twi'lek getting eaten by the rancor. How young are you that you don't know this?

>>87764999
>Reys theme is shit.
Ehh I'd say it's middle of the road for Star Wars, but you're right, the cuck is retarded because there are a handful of good songs from II and III.

>>87764976
around gamergate i believe
i still believe thats the worst thing that happened to 4chan

>>87765054
gamergate or people turning on rlm?

>>87764146
It was predictable though, aside from duel of the fates the prequel music was just as bland

>>87765054
The worst thing that ever happened over 4chan was that it was created

>>87764993
>and how do you know they are not being paid to write a good review?
the same reason I know you're a paranoid retard

I actually read reviews and watch movies and can see for myself the critical or positive points they're making, then agree/disagree based on my own personal persuasion.

You can also follow critics on twitter or youtube and get an overall impression of their taste. Most of the good ones hate studio interference (hence widespread rejection of bland corporate product) and praise artistic intention.

tl;dr - actually try reading critics before autistically screeching "SHILL".

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>>87764962
A Sith WHAT?

>>87764764
The only songs people remember from the prequels are the ones that they shoved into the battlefront games

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>>87765102
>being this new
>implying it wasn't O'Reilly calling 4chan "hackers on steroids"
>implying the summer ever ended

I saw TPM when it first came out when I was around 13. Didn't like it at all. Earlier this year I found a copy and I figured I'd gain a new appreciation by watching it as an adult.

It was worse than I remembered. The prequels are like Star Wars by way of the Disney Channel.

>>87763864
because although a lot of the complaints about the prequels are fair, they're not soulless cashgrabs by feminists and jews. they're a story thought out by the star wars creator, not a complete corporate rehash

>>87763888
you have to be a fanboy to think anything past ep 4 is passable

>>87763864
why didn't obi-wan force run, it was established earlier in the movie. Really my only complaint about episode 1 asides the shit humour.

>>87764999
>Confrontation with Count Dooku

>no melodic throughline
>no unique movements or identity
>paraphrases Imperial March and Force Theme and others

nigga it's a mini-symphony. It's nowhere near what Rey's Theme is, which is a contained piece that's tied to one character, adds dimension to that character and becomes her leitmotif.

get some taste.

>>87764120
>Anakin, my allegiance is to the Republic, to democracy

Any of Obi-wan's moments blow away all of TFA.

>>87765208
Holy shit what is a fucking medley.
You are such a pleb. Reys theme is forgettble and complete trash just like her character.

>>87765165
Sound design is still pretty innovating and great.

>>87765245
t. Young adult book reader

>>87765135
I understand what you are saying but you never know, you never know if they are being honest.

>>87765246
>Holy shit what is a fucking medley.
>You are such a pleb.
great so you admit that a collection of redcurrant themes that have already been established over 30 years isn't the same as an actual, newly written, unique theme.

>complete trash just like her character.
so you aren't even judging the music and are just hellbent on spreading your bias.

like I said, get some taste.

>>87763864
There's something special about the prequels, and it's not just nostalgia. But they are objectively worse-made films than TFA and I don't care about any of the characters except Obi-Wan. But there's a particular feel they have that can't be replicated by any other series. The music, the concepts, the planets, the aliens, the bizarre nonsensical story. They're like a good guilty pleasure.

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t

>>87765297
*recurrent

>>87765256
Yeah and TFA is high art. Nothing from nuWars will ever match ROTS.

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Because as much as people shit on the prequels at least it had fucking originality to it, even if the dialogue was incoherent or dumb at times.

TFA was cringe acting and PC culture shoved into a SW fan fiction copy of A New Hope. Only originality it had was Kylo Ren, but his character was absolute garbage as a leader. It's like putting a child with uncontrollable emotions and urges in control of a 500 gazillion dollar weaponized planet.

Rogue One was mediocore, not bad, but it could have been done a lot better, with less characters. Krennic was good in it, but CGI Tarken and boring lead female role needed to be taken out.

The next Star Wars due for this December, which hilariously enough has had minimal marketing done with it (prob because Disney knows they can't dupe people twice with their TFA garbage) is probably trying to lay low so people forget about the TFA faster.

The next film is also directed by the guy who made looper, so I expect it to probably end up like Rogue One, but darker. I wasn't a fan of Looper but at least it had a "story" and originality compared to Jew Jew Abrams copy pasta play it safe PC snore-a-thon.

>>87765333
>unironically liking ROTS
>callbacks and forgone conclusions: the movie
KEK

>>87765307
What you're describing is literally your nostalgia for them

>>87763964
Most people I talk to in real life agree the new movies are 5/10's

>>87765307
this is only true of the phantom menace, and that is only because of nostalgia

>>87765398
Maybe some of it is nostalgia, like the stupid plot, but the music is objectively great and seeing all those cool aliens and other worlds was way more interesting than what Rogue One and TFA gave us in terms of aliens and planets.

>>87765391
Might as well say all prequels are shit with that logic.

>>87765468
all prequels are shit

feel free to prove me wrong

>>87765487
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_Gv4pZx3bA

Originality > Copy Pasta Garbage

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>>87765252
Yeah I guess it really is worth sitting through two and a half hours of shit so I can hear somebody hold down the mute button at the beginning of space explosions. These movies contributed so much

>>87765588
>another movie is shit, so that means this movie isn't!
Are you retarded?

Plebs were too stupid to understand the Lovecraftian themes Lucas introduced in the prequels

>>87765487
Fate/Zero

>>87765588
TFA being shit does not make the prequels not shit anon.

>>87763926
>I've seen numerous people claim that the newest Star Wars movies are the best ones.

Yes goy, no 40 year old movie can stand against a modern remake.

>>87765611
>>87765643
I'm not saying that's what makes it not shit.
I'm saying it was better than the TFA.

>>87765354
Originality like midichlorians, recycling incidental shit from the originals as if they were widespread, making the jedi both incompetent and reprehensible, trying to shoehorn darth vader into christ, and nearly every other thing.

Anything that wasn't (badly) recycled was crap.

>>87763864
Stop lying to yourself.

>>87765256
TFA is literally Hunger Games with a Star Wars slant.

>>87763920
>Mace Windu
>cool
Pick one

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>>87763864
Because Star Wars was created and controlled by a straight white male who understood concepts of classical mythology and story telling and even though he wasn't the greatest film maker in the world (and he knew it) he hired as many people as he could who could help him build that universe and create the unimaginable worlds filled with the characters he imagined.

Later during the prequel era he again hired everyone he could who had loved SW since they were children and dreamed if working on it. People who like him, were ready to dedicate thier lives to it. George knew he wasn't Kubrick or Kurosawa but he fucking gave it everything he had and spared no fucking expense. His ideas were wild and sometimes completely unworkable but for fuck sakes his reach constantly exceeded his grasp and his ambition always exceeded his resources. And that my friends is what made the SW Saga (I-IV) the immutable masterworks of modern civilization, the love letters to the romance of the fire side story tellers if our ancestors in ancient times.

And how did you thank him? You spit in his face and said like the petulant short sighted children you are that they suck, blah blah waw waw boo boo. You people who never even attempted to create something orginal, who could never even dream for a moment something as great as Star Wars, felt yourselves worth judges of a man who dedicated his life to something, to a story of redemption and sacrifice. You pathetic losers killed Star Wars.

George said he wouldn't make episode VII-IX. Those of us who loved him hoped that meant he would just let the whole franchise rest and become a legend of the ages. Instead he did the one thing guaranteed to PROVE to the world the worthiness of his vision and the careful guidance of his mind. He sold the whole thing to the most vapid, senseless, baseless, and banal company on the planet. He sold his Masterwork to the SJW Marxist Mousketeers. He killed the younglings (You) and went over to the Empire.

>>87764145
The joke is J.J. didn't really want to use Maz, she was mostly there for future movies stories.

>>87764976
When they have TFA a pass on all the shit they ripped on the prequels for

>>87764211
The german dub gave so much better delivieries of Anakins lines that dampened effect. I never noticed until watching the documentaries how fucking bad the delivery is in english.

ittt. People who saw the prequels when they were kids wearing nostalgia goggles. Nothing to see here.

>>87765731
Planets, characters, aliens, Qui Gon Gin, Darth Maul, transition of Anakin to the Dark Side, the rise of the Emperor, etc...
Obviously some things were excuted poorly or original characters acted without more common sense.

But it still had originality, even if it wasn't perfect, at least it was original and brought more to the SW franchise/galaxy.

Now compare that to TFA which was a hot garbage copy pasta of a New Hope to the 1000th degree, with cringe acting. At least the Prequels weren't 80% of another film executed in a failed way.

>>87765789

you sound like a big fucking baby who cares

>>87765789
I agree with everything you said.

The sad part is Disney is going to milk it until it dries and then push it into a dump, forgetting it even existed after it's served the purpose of giving them more $$$$$$.

>>87763987
>TFA is better as a film
Hell no. It was a mess.

>>87766205
>It was a mess.
And yet it was still better than Episodes I and II. tHat should tell you something kek

>>87766280
To numales, cucks, and PC critics.

To real Star Wars fans it's a piece of trash.

>>87766307
>To real Star Wars fans it's a piece of trash.
I'm not arguing that, autismo. I'm just saying, even though it's a really shit star wars movie, it still manages to be better than Episode I and II.

>>87766307
The only reason it is trash is cause it is a real telling of the original trilogy with she pc shit. This is the gundam seed of star wars. If they created a less obvious remake it would have gone better then 1-3

>>87765814
The joke is the movie itself. Is there actually anything JJ Betacuck decided on his own. He's just Kathleen kennedy's pet. that's why she brought out of his doghouse to do some work for her. Just a year ago this hack was saying he was done with rebooting other people franchise he was focused on his own shitty project. But even after the disgrace , he's back for more shekels.

>>87766280
Not really. Episode 1 and 2 is still leagues ahead of it.

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>>87765789
This. So much this.

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>>87766340
That's where I disagree, Ep I-III were at least original trash.

TFA was copy pasta trash, which makes it worse, honestly. It might have seemed "better" because it literally was a copy pasta of A New Hope.

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>>87763864
Well, the problems with the prequels was mostly presentation. Dialogue and CG were bad. But if you just pay attention to the story, its not just recycling the same story, 1-6 is a complete story that all makes sense.

Im 22, I watched all the movies a few years ago. From an unbiased perspective, there is plenty to love with the prequels. Bandwagon mentality created irrational hatred for these films.

Story is good, character design is good (pic related), great music, etc.

However, bad presentation, bad humor (Jar Jar), bad dialogue, and midichlorians.

They aren't fantastic films, but if you look passed the dialogue, they are competent.

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>>87764343
>Orange Female Yoda

>Chrome Female Boba Fett

>Annoying Female Jedi Grand Master

The Force is Female, yo.

>pic not related

If /tv/ hates a movie then it's probably actually good.

/tv/ is almost always wrong.

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>>87766340
Show me a scene in nu-Wars that can compete with this prequino:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVczx7GIWXc

>>87764173
>shits on puppets

Fucking millenials I swear

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>>87764363
>you only now notice that this is his brother

>>87763964
>bread scene
wait...what??

>>87766564
The guy was so fucking woke. May he be spinning in the heavens.

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>>87766453
22 as well here.

You watch them at all as a child during their original release? Had more value then (since child mentality).

>>87766540
As a millennial I thought puppet Yoda was fine honestly. I apologize for some of my counterparts shitting on it.

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>>87766386
Shekels make a Jew cuck feel stronger.

Fuck Jew Jew and his puppet master Kathleen "ruin everything" Kennedy.

>>87763864
>Fond memories
>You must be over the age of 18 to post on this board.

Yes. To children like yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C2FsmF0hD0&t=2s

Art critic Camille Paglia was always red pilled on how kino the prequels really were and how fucking worthless TFA is.

>>87766340
>>87766397
TFA has bad writing and that's it, while the execution of nearly every single filmmaking element in the prequels is bad.

>>87766757
The original puppet was great as a millenial.
The TPM puppet looks like an intern made it, should have been the one thing with the most care put into. And for some reason the german dub gave him the oldest sounding voice possible for the youngest Yoda.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzVBqBosf5w
duel of fates alone is better than any disney wars movie will ever be

>>87765789
>he hired as many people as he could who could help him build that universe and create the unimaginable worlds filled with the characters he imagined.
This is only true if you're talking about the original trilogy. The prequels were Lucas masturbating over his worst ideas while surrounded by a bunch of yes men who were obviously afraid of telling him his ideas were fucking stupid. If you've seen any prequel behind the scenes stuff, you'd realize this.

>jar jar is the key to all of this
>wow george, great idea
>yes it is like poetry!

Also, protip, if you want to express an opinion that seemed uncolored by your obsession with millennial identity politics, you might want to try and use less buzzwords. Basically, you're a fucking moron looking at the prequels through rose-colored nostalgia goggles in a sad attempt to validate your hatred of SJWs by latching onto something fucking awful and pretending it's good because it was made by a white guy. The prequels were shit, the new movies are shit.