>hurr it took me years to perfect rolling fish on fucking

>>87500577
let's see your sushi then

Sushi is so fucking nasty.

>look mom i posted it again

>>87500614
Is that your fucking argument?

>be Jiro
>dream of sushi

>>87500670
You will never perfect anything during your lifetime. Is that what is bringing you down, boy?

>>87500697
I perfected shaping your moms vagina into the shape of my cock.

>>87500652
Elaborate

>>87500577
wtf i hate jiro now

>muh legendary master sensei
>must spend 30 years washing rice to perfect making motherfucking SUSHI


Could you imagine if this pretentious douche cooked steak or baked cakes?

OP is a pleb move along...

>>87500721

What did you mean by this?

The American Dad episode where Stan and Steve learn to make sushi is unironically better than this dumpster fire.

This guy has a weird old world mindset that values experience more than the knowledge one gains through experience. It's a very medieval way of looking at things.

>>87500790
>American Dad
Go back to r*ddit
Your kind doesn't belong here

So you're tellin me this man dream about sushi?

>>87500832
Only viable argument in this thread.

>>87500734
What should he have spent his life doing instead, anon?

>Spend your entire life perfecting your art
>I eat it in 5 seconds

What would you do?

>>87500577
t. cultureless, amoral American pig

>>87500955
posting memes on facebook and fourchan

>>87500577
for real, why do japs think doing a really simple thing MILLIONS of times over fucking DECADES has any merit? it's the equivalent of a hamster wheel

>be Jiro
>basically torture and enslave your son into a profession he didn't like and now is forced to stick with
Jiro is an ass

>>87500577
>I've never eaten good food the post.
It's OK anon, it's a little overrated. You're not missing anything.

I prefer the sequel, Jiro Nightmares of Assrape.

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>>87500997
>be a sushi chef
>not allowed to hone your craft
>not allowed to develop tradition and practice culture
t. mcburgers

>>87501039
fuck his pleb son. He deserved it for being weak.

>>87500959

Take the large amount of money you spent on it.

>>87501087
what are you liberal or something? go fall into a lava pit

>>87500997
Japanese people take pride in their lives, their work, and by extension their conmunity.

When I visited Japan I admired even the janitors and traffic guards.

>>87500577
Makes me sad i'll never be that passionate about anything as this man is about raw fish.

Mason Verger?

You'll just never be able to understand his autistic dedication and passion for one specific food dish. Go outside and start collecting beetles for 50 years or something. Then you'll become a REAL man.

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>>87501203
>literally a baseless strawman
Not an argument.

>>87501176
>your art
>worth more than $10
kek lad

>>87500752
easy. anon needs to shape vaginas into cocks because he finds cocks more appealing.

>>87501259
>90 year old man
>has the hands of a 20 year old

i love this foodkino scene but i cant help but laugh

>>87501259
>splash oil onto fish
>drop fish in oil
What was the point?

why do amerispics hate culture

>>87501363
You wouldn't understand.

Soulless millennials will never understand what it's like to have a fire in your belly and to be the master of your craft. Whether or not you enjoy sushi or think he does a hard job, just admit you don't know what it's like to be excited about something you can dedicate your life to because you fried up all your dopamine by shitposting and masturbating daily for a decade so your only defense against yourself is to make everything into a joke that you can tear down to your level

>>87501259
why are japs so pretentious about food?

>>87501363
the oil crisp the skin without cooking the inside

if you just put it into oil initially, you either have not crispy enough skin and well cooked fish or overcooked fish and crispy skin

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>seeing the high levels of japanese craftsmanship
>mfw my own country has nothing like that and people just half ass everything

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>>87500577
God I hate this Website so much. What a bunch of miserable cuntbags sometimes. A few years ago I would have laughed at this because it would have been some obvious bait. but nowadays these retards have become so contrarian that I can actually see someone posting something so utterly stupid.

>>87500577
Just some asian dude sleeping for 2 hours, don't get the hype with this shitty 'art' film

Americans think sushi is a meme food that is simple to make

Yet every city in America is littered with terrible sushi place that fail

>>87501213
This, they have such a good community that 10 year old kids can be trusted to take multiple trains to school without some pedo raping them like in Murrica.

>>87500577
Is this the designated bait thread?

>>87501421
I admit that, but I'm not jealous of it, so why would it matter?

>>87500577
so you tellin me
this motherfucker so japanese
that he go to sleep
and he dream
bout sushi????

>>87501510
Yeah, I saw little flocks of kindergartners in their matching uniforms braving the subways of Tokyo. Nigga that shit was kawaii.

>>87501530
Is this your version of humor?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xateP2qrgMo
are japs autistic ?

>>87501499
why would I want to spend $60 for a meal that isn't even going to fill me up? I'm always hungry again an hour after a sushi meal. I could get a cheesesteak for $18 and actually be full.

>>87501421
dlete this fucking post

>>87501383
Because we have no culture of our own.

*eats little Caesar pizza*

Jesus, jiro it's just a fucking fish wrap

>>87501499
It's simple to make sushi, but making the best sushi is something else entirely.

>>87501559
you could eat rice and beans for a couple of dollars and it'd fill you up

not everyone has american appetites

>>87500832
>weird old world mindset
This doesn't exist. Just because you're a consumerist city drone and don't agree with him doesn't make his views archaic.

Watch some more Japanese-related documentaries on why such "mindset" works so well for Japan's culture. I recommend https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pII_2VbgheI

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>>87501471
I think thinking someone spending all their time making sushi to the degree he does is autistic is more in line with the average opinion than the contrarian.

The only thing separating him from similar weirdos in the eyes of the public is that he made a lot of money off it - which instantly legitimizes it.

>>87501554
look at my man over there!! he laughin cause he know!!

>>87501518
Guy wakes up every day to live his dream, you wake up every day to live your self imposed nightmare, it would destroy you to admit you're jealous.

>>87501603
I wouldn't even say

Safeway fried chicken vs restaurant quality fried chicken
Safeway sushi vs restaurant quality sushi

just a huge difference in quality

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>>87501431
These webms aren't Japanese, they're from the Taiwanese film Eat Drink Man Woman

>if you put effort into stuff to make it special, and the best, it's shit
>if you make it mediocre and nothing special at all it's fine tho

So this just personifies /tv/'s shit taste in film too.

>>87501640
I'm jealous of his money. But why would I be jealous of his craft? I have no desire to dedicate time to making sushi. To me you might as well telling me I should be jealous of the guy who works overtime at the McDonalds just for the sheer pleasure of it. It's just extra work. I enjoy my life when I'm not working.

>>87500577
Buying 100 dollar sushi is retarded

I work the busiest yo sushi in London, a monkey could make it. No cooking involved, just slapping raw ingredients together. Not even exaggerating

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>>87501555
They have overpriced fruit in america too. Hell we even have $10 ice cubes.

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>this has been replaced with cockroach infested fast food places where the workers spit in your food

>>87501721
when the difference between the mediocre and the perfect is so minuscule and temporary my natural inclination is to not give a shit.

>>87501731
That's only because you don't enjoy your work, and that's entirely your problem

>>87501421
Being dedicated to sushi and washing rice for half a decade "in preparation" are two completely different things. At some point you're either the best you'll ever be at fucking around with rice or you're just a slow learner.

There are many things in the world that take decades to master.

Making sushi isnt one of them. Fuck off weebitors.

>>87501625
nope. honing your craft and respecting people who achieve a high level of skill is as old as craftmanship itself and regarded as culturally necessary by the majority of people. In literally every field humans can measure themselves there are exceptional individuals who try to be the best. People who can't see that are most likely edgy autists with no willpower who are ostracized from society for good reasons.

>>87501731
>>87501828
Trademark millennial attitude to miss the point and assume intellectual superiority in place of understanding. The sushi isn't the point, it's that you'll never be happy with your work and lives so everything needs to be trivialized so as to not hurt your feelings.

>>87500577
That movie doesnt have a right to even exist.

>>87501731
>I enjoy my life when I'm not working
You enjoy wallowing away and forever amounting to nothing. That's your problem, not anyone else's.
And "jealous" is probably the wrong word to refer to Jiro. Few people are jealous, but probably many are envious in regards to his ability to dedicate himself.

>>87500955
Baneposting

>>87501738
I'm sure your California Roll tastes exactly like Jiros pham.

>>87501721
Lets see your taste in film, bud: post your last 5 films watched.

>>87501625
>shitting on one of the most popular documentaries on the most popular streaming site
>not contrarian

>>87501958
It's well made, I liked the documentary

>>87500577
Classic autistic case, never was diagnosed

>>87501738
What's the name of your restaurant? I'd like to google it. If you're so proud of your work then I'm sure you'll indulge me.

>>87501932
In descending order

Monster Musume OVA 2
Monster Musume OVA 1
Heavy Metal
12 Monkeys
Romancing the Stone

>>87501916
It's all down to the freshness of the fish which is out of your control if you're in a sushi chain

>thinking the japs eat that westernised garbage culture raping california bollocks

>>87502008
He literally said it's "yo sushi"

>>87500577
It's his passion why do you care?
On the other hand I know most people who insult you right now are triggered fat weaboos and Chinks, so I stay neutral.

>>87502008
Lol there's nothing to be proud of, that's the point, you take the raw things and arrange them neatly.

only tricky thing is skinning and deboning the salmon but I do that high as fuck almost every morning

>>87501904
Let's assume the money isn't a factor, since I already said I'm jealous of the money. What's left is this:
>don't spend years of your life making sushi over and over
>don't get documentary or customers who remember your fish for a few years
vs
>get to spend your free time not making sushi over and over
I'll take the 2nd one. That applies to whether it's making sushi, flipping burgers, or forging swords.

>>87501877
Again, nothing wrong with dedication. But there comes a point where you're not doing or making people do things to get better at it and instead are just making people do basic chores for an arbitrarily long period of time under the guise of giving them "special magical training".

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>>87501259
chinese food >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>fast food aka: american "food" (steroid enriched)>>>japanese food>>>british food>literal doo-doo

>>87502019
>garbage anime
>one single worthwhile film
>not following it up with gilliam's other work, just sitting there alone
Absolutely horrid.

>>87502128
Then go be a sushi chef if it's easy. I had to run hot laps and drive rallies for years until I finally got to drive a pace car, it takes a long time and real dedication if you want get good at something. I know it's intimidating when you look at someone who has a lifetime invested in something and compare them to yourself, you want to delegitimize it to protect your ego, but that's the wrong way to cope if you want happiness.

>>87501904
The sushi kind of is the point since we're talking about a guy who dedicated his time making sushi. Someone who dedicates his time trying to invent something, cure something, etc is much more understandable. A higher pursuit is one thing, but you're making it out like there can be no distinction between what people consider worthwhile. Of course people are going to have more respect and place more value in someone whose passion is saving lives instead of making one fish based meal. It's not Jiro's fault, you can't really consciously choose what you're passionate about, but that doesn't make me care about sushi. It's not some armchair psychology nonsense. It's someone spending so much time on something I consider trivial, so it's absurd and comical.

Of course he made out like a fucking bandit anyway, so he doesn't give a shit.

>>87501625
>The only thing separating him from similar weirdos in the eyes of the public is that he made a lot of money off it - which instantly legitimizes it.
This

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>>87502110
AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHA

*INHALES*

AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHA

>>87501057
Who directed that one, Richard Clock?
That guy's a real jerk

>>87501985
Sad!

>>87502321
>everyone in the world has to be a scientist and invent a cure for cancer
do losers really think like this? those kind of people come once in a billion. Why not just dedicate yourself to something and be good at it regardless of how extraordinary it is for human achievement

>>87502254
There's a difference between saying making amazing sushi is easy and "It doesn't take three years to learn how to wash rice". How are you not grasping this.

Also "I know it's intimidating..."
>projecting this hard

>>87502336
He said the busiest so I'd assume there's multiple of the same restaurant.

>>87502321
Again, the sushi isn't necessarily the point. You can stop at "a guy who dedicated his time." You were close when you said we don't get to decide what's worthwhile and what isn't. The fact is we get about 80 good years of life if we're lucky, we value and respect people who dedicate themselves to something and have a wealth of knowledge to pass down, it's just the way our society has always been. Can't move forward unless someone collects and shares knowledge.

I see what you're driving at, why respect a 50 year veteran cop vs a 50 year veteran rock tumbler, but still, you get into an objectivity vs subjectivity argument which goes nowhere.

>>87502336
calm down autismo

>>87502424
The only reason you'd cry "projecting" is because a nerve got plucked. Nobody ITT has a frame of reference for what it takes to become a world class sushi chef, so just stop. Maybe you don't need to be a rice whisperer, but the 80 year old Japanese master chef who dedicated his life to sushi says you do, and gee, whose word should people take on this one?

>>87502511
>britanon work at the mcdonalds of sushi
>sushi is easy! there's no discernible difference between my sushi and jiro's! he's just as skilled as i am!

>>87502254
>Then go be a sushi chef if it's easy

Just like their stupid habit about waiting 3 decades before you roll your first log of sushi, regular jap customers also follow this retarded tradition

If they see that the staff just said fuck the system and started doing their own thing, the restaurant would go bust. The customers are just as insane as the old bastards making the sushit. The whole thing is about believing the lie, everyone plays along.. from the cook down to the morons throwing money at them to shove raw fish bits and rice in their mouths. They would never eat anything from a non-jap anyway, not even weebs would do it

>>87502565
OK so again we have a talentless, passionless whiner coming in from the outside to tell the masters how it *SHOULD* be done. You see how ridiculous that is? Can you step outside your own ego for fifteen seconds?

>>87500655
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT
THIS IS AN AUTHENTIC AND ORIGINAL "COMING-OUT"

OP IS BRAVE DO YOU HEAR ME
BRAVE BRAVE BRAVE

A MAVERICK, ANON.

>>87501087
pic related > sushi

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Sushi was the first meme food. These Japanese "people" literally took garbage and hid it in rice. But, instead of flavor they added stoicism and aristocracy body movements (bowing). Boom food culture. Fact the shittiest fast food burger has more flavor layers than yourshitty insipid rice octopus role. Have a nuke, you feckless fuck.

>>87502447
I'm kind of being an ass. Honestly if my grandmother spent a lot of time and made really good pastries or something, I would've thought that was cool. I still don't think I would say I was jealous of her, or that thinking about her craft put me into some kind of existential crisis though.

>>87502646
Well what are you going to pass down in 60 years?

buzzfeed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GZrPR5Ajrs

>>87502688
Well I'm not sure. I enjoy computer science/programming, and I've started writing lately, which I enjoy.I haven't put much thought towards a legacy though. But I wouldn't say that's necessarily unusual for someone my age.

>>87502132
I have to edit this, I saw pictures of how good a typical UK breakfast looks
I say they're probably better than american food, that puts japanese food slightly above actual shit

Both have the potential to give you a stomach bacterial infection

>>87502775
for my age meaning my age across multiple generations, not millennials in general.

>>87502519
I claim projecting because you're making wild stabs in the dark with your armchair psychology and use your "findings" to dismiss arguments. These thoughts have to come from somewhere and you are the most likely source. And being an amazing chef does not keep you from having illogical practices. He clearly grew up with the Time Dedicated trumps Skill so even more time is even better results -attitude you'll often find in Japan and naturally he'll keep it up in his teachings. It must annoy him that people can do that and so much more in half the time because they're not bound by tradition and instead measure their result with actual skill.

>>87502626

Not that guy but it's not impossible to imagine that there's some tomfoolery going on with that business, they have an interest in maintaining their mystique for marketing purposes, and they have an interest in restricting the supply of chefs who are perceived as legitimate. Yes we are laymen but I've also cooked rice and cooked eggs once or twice and I honestly am very skeptical that it takes quite that long to learn to do it professionally.

>>87500577
>hurr it took me years to perfect shitposting on /tv/

You still have a ways to go

>>87502775
Not everyone is a main character with something to teach. Poll any number of old people and you'll probably get tons of "save your money," "protect your back," "aspirin in the morning, red wine at night." Don't feel bad.

>>87502845
>claim projecting
>starts protecting

In a blind taste test you probably wouldn't be able to tell what was his and what was a moderately priced sushi place just like most other 3 star Michelin restaurants. The movie's bullshit anyway, this whole "wise man muh honorabru customs" is an act to sell overpriced food to yuppies who want to fill the cultural holes in their soul caused by consumerism. It's a good movie, but don't take it seriously. It's about as accurate in it's portrayals as the original Iron Chef.

>>87503054
Millennials in one post, impressive

>>87500577
Years later and Jiro is still making unaccomplished nerds butthurt on /tv/.
Truly shows the influence a master can have on the wider culture even years after his demise.

>>87501431
>something exists but I don't have the knowledge to truly understand it
>must be pretentious

fuck off and die like the passive, insecure and unaccomplished dog you are.

>>87502866
Dude, it takes longer to learn how to roll fucking rice than it does to get a doctorate degree, let that sink in

There are people who actually believe that.
It's the biggest sham in the food industry

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all that matters is he managed to perfect SOMETHING, no matter how irrelevant it is. everyone itt will never achieve that.

>>87503134
>Millennial response
Keep believing everything you watch on TV. Japanese people are all super dedicated masters of their art and would absolutely in no way lie to you to get you to pay a 1000% mark up.

>>87503134
Yuppies buying overpriced food to fill the cultural holes in their soul caused by consumerism sounds like a pretty succinct description of the millennial mindset though

>>87503185
DAMN
WHY MUST I BE LIKE THAT?

>>87503185
What if you're a jack of all trades type who likes to dabble in a wide variety of things?

>>87500614
Let's see paul allen's sushi

>>87503266
Second half of that is "master of none." I'd rather be a master in one matter than a journeyman in 3. If you need a practical reason, check out their paychecks.

>>87503266
"jack of all trades" just means you're a failure at everything and master of nothing

everyone is a "jack of all trades"

>>87501626
based

>>87503296
A nice off-white rice to it

>>87500652
I always imagined Sushi would be this tasty cold thing. Then I tried it and it was bland both in taste and temperature. Truly don't get it.

>>87501731
oldfags BTFO

>>87503326
Um, wrong again sweetie. For instance, I'm not even a jack of all trades.

>>87501087
>feeds half an american or 6 japanese.

>>87503316
>>87503326
haha faggots who think diversification of skillsets isn't a huge boost to success.
people who are masters of one thing are always going to be overahadowed by someone who does it better.

>>87501738
the one on the southbank of the thames?

>>87503449
if they are overshadowed by someone else then they weren't a master to begin with, you fucking tard

>>87502008
can you not read you fucking moron?

>>87500832
>old world mindset
>is a fucking 100 yr old skeleton
pick two

>>87503449
So a master is going to be replaced by another master then, not a hack who can do two things poorly.

>>87500577
Is this the "movies millennials will never understand thread"?

i could master all of the sushi recipes in about a week.

it would taste like shit

but it would look ok

>>87502168
12 monkeys is absolute shite you dumb pleb

>>87501039
Poor guy, he gets a career handed to him on a plate aww poor guy

>Those people who pretend that sushi is good

>>87503924
Slaves get a lifetime of employment and housing handed to them. Some people like choice.

>>87503756
but bradley pitt acts all quirky an shit in it

>>87500955

Shitposting anonymously on the interwebs and belittling the lives of others, of course. That's what a real man does.

>spending 100 years perfecting the art of not cooking fish
wooow

>>87501431
>lmao just stuff burgers down your gullet

Amerifat detected

Fact, fresh Italian or French will blow out anything you can get at a Sushi Bar. I got more respect for handmade pasta than I do Sushi Rice.

Not to say I won't enjoy Sushi, but at the end of the day you gotta give it to the Wops and Frogs they have the best cuisine.

>>87500577
Why are his eyes so puffy?

>>87501294
Jiro charges like USD300/meal or something

>>87501431
its not pretentiousness. its a dedication to your craft. literally everyone in japan is like that. the customer service and workmanship is outstanding at mcdonalds.

>>87501559
>buying $60 sushi
>buying $18 cheese steak

Thanks, goyim.

>>87504592
This.

>>87500997
>a really simple thing
You're a fucking idiot

>>87500955
arguing about chinese cartoons on a white nationalist cross dressing fetishist site

>>87501541
>>87501510
Remember goyim, diversity is our strength.. you are bordering on hate speech right now

>>87500955
Making actual food.

isn't sushi a bullshit food in japan though? isn't this like a guy spending 50 years on placing burgers on top of buns?

>>87504592
>french food
>dude just cover it in garlic lol

>>87501259

>ladling boiling hot oil on a fish you're holding

Jesus christ opai

>>87501559
>being full means eating till you cannot eat anymore
i love and hate my country

>>87501611
>>87501087
I find it ironic that your knee-jerk defensive reaction is to call your opponent a mindless consumerist, when Japan is arguably one of the most consumerist cultures on the planet, because of the very culture you're romanticising so much. A culture of hundreds of millions of people aren't all going to grandmasters at a craft, there is going to be hundreds of millions of mediocre individuals brought up in a culture that promotes mastery, dilligence, and discipline. Now while this can lead to productive, humble people alright with their relative station, it leaves a big mess of middle-level people perpetually lost in life. This is the type of culture that consumerism runs rampant in; especially with all the mass media and toys in Japanese culture, it's all distractions to stave off existential crises in that culture (and it's barely holding it back).

The most ironic icing on the cake to this argument that detractors are cultureless consumer drones, is that the sushi industry has been trendy and globally commercialized for 30+ years, and the movie itself, while not a blockbuster by any means, is widely distributed and commonly known even in dreaded "flyover" country. So it is immensely amuseing that any defenders use consumerism of all things against detractors.

>>87501259
>>literally a baseless strawman
And "t. mcburgers" isn't a strawman, but an enthralling argument? Hypocritical brainlet.

>>87500577
i sense so much disdain and hate in his eyes. like a ww2 japanese soldier

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>guy has a Michelin star sub stop sushi restaurant
>a bunch of nobody losers on the worst board on 4chan undermining his life's work because they literally don't understand the level of commitment it takes to excel

It's like by being contrarian about an old man who has mastered making sushi you're displacing your own failures to make any impact on the world. It's grim and sad to see your losers counting someone elses foibles instead of taking a long hard look in the mirror and realizing the difference between someone like Jiro and someone like yourselves is a purpose.

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>>87503185
I mastered shit posting. Here is a sample of my life's work.

>>87505273
>projecting

>>87505199
he detests whitey

>>87501431
congratulations on massively triggering these people

>>87505373
You can cry projecting all you want but it's an accurate assessment of the tone in this thread based on the responses given, and the demographics on this site. It's less "projecting" and more "educated guess." By all means though, cry more, it won't put a father figure in your life, but it's all you know.

>>87505273
Jiros dying words will be


every morning i came in the rice

he will then laugh himself to death

>>87505273
it's not as if his talent or skill precludes him from being a toxic shitpaste as a human, like TONS of these dedicated old japanese fuckers are

>>87505465
>projecting

>>87505520
>confirming my suspicions
Have you ever not failed, or...? I mean I know you've never won anything, but have you ever managed to not embarrass yourself?

>>87505514
>toxic shitpaste
Reeeing like an angry child. Why do so many millennials think that anyone who doesn't validate their mediocrity is "toxic", as if that word carries any actual weight in the real world?

zips literally want you to pay like 9$ for a couple pieces of fish and rice, its fucking ridiculous

>>87505585
>projecting

>>87505585

>projecting

>>87505680
Because the large majority were never taught anything except for how to turn on a Playstation as kids and we're bitter

>>87500577
kek

>>87505709
>>87505744
>phone posting millennial

>>87505810
>projecting

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>>87505810

>wasting your life rolling nasty fish on chink ass shit rice

My god they need to be nuked again

>>87503178
he wont reply you fucking wrecked the pretentious boomer grandpa cunt

what are some docs about the people who grow quality ingredients for pretentious chefs?

>spends entire life rolling raw fish
>never once thought to cook it

when will there be a ja/ck/ movie? He's an expert in not cooking chicken

>>87506055
alan dreams of parsley is decent

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>>87506111
>Jack Specters of Salmonella
I'd watch it.

>>87505680
Completely missing the point of my post, retard. Old, dedicated japanese men are also grumpy fucking assholes. See: My karate teacher, Hayao Miyazaki, Jiro

Nice confirmation bias you're toting around fucktard

>>87505124
Of course I realize Japan is a consumerist society, and you have valid points in that regard, but I wasn't defending that aspect of it. I was defending the traditions and culture that still persists to this day even within overwhelming consumerism and the arguable damaging effects of Westernization. The documentary I linked demonstrates just that, and it's a bit of a stretch to suggest I'm romanticizing Japan's culture when all I'm really doing is pointing aspects of it out.
>the sushi industry has been trendy and globally commercialized
Where did I attempt to defend sushi as a culinary practice? Nowhere. I was responding to the claim that Jiro's dedication to his craft is somehow archaic. Jiro built his business up from nothing, worked his entire life, all within "one of the most consumerist cultures" as you mention. So clearly despite the prevalence of consumerism, Japanese customers supported and appreciated his business as well as his craft. You bring up Japan, but it's a null argument, because Jiro made his success in Japan. Now, the consumers from overseas watching this documentary and mocking his dedication and craft is what threads like these pertain to, and what I was responding to originally.

>>87506232
>Old, dedicated japanese men are also grumpy fucking assholes
Who gives a fuck? No surprise that this fits the millennial worldview: dedication to your craft is lame and dumb. As long as you're a non-confrontational people-pleaser, you can be as mediocre as you want.

>>87506232
>Hayao Miyazaki, Jiro
Neither of them are assholes. Miyazaki especially, he's spot on - unless you mean he's an asshole for telling it how it is. But then, you're just butthurt by facts.

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>>87506259
>Westernization
Do you mean civilization?

>>87501603
Kinda nailed the point spot on

>>87506344
>projecting

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>>87506363
Japan is more civilized than the West. Americans still smear their poop with dry crumbly paper and call it a day. Never heard of bidets, huh?

>>87500997
autism

>>87506353
I haven't even seen this movie lol, you sure seem passionate about something though

>>87506425
Yes the French invented them

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>>87506259

Just fyi Japan's economy is constantly being stifled by their cultural baggage regarding work, from their pathalogical fear of risk preventing startups to the taboo of quitting trapping people in dead end redundant jobs.

>>87506259
>I was defending the traditions and culture that still persists to this day even within overwhelming consumerism and the arguable damaging effects of Westernization.
Except you completely missed my point that the very culture you romanticise is the same culture that fuels and propagates the same rampant consumerism in their own society, because that consumerism fills an existential void that culture leaves in society (with the mass majority of random individuals who can't reach mastery and/or can't accept that reality). And the whole point of bringing consumerism up, is because anyone that dared to be unimpressed with Jiro were being called cultural-less, consumer drones, which is complete hypocritical bullshit.
>Where did I attempt to defend sushi as a culinary practice? Nowhere.
Consumerism was the point of the argument (or more accuratly, strawmanning consumerism to berate detractors of Jiro), and the point was that sushi is a consumerized industry. Jiro's craft is in that industry. It isn't hard to follow.
>You bring up Japan, but it's a null argument, because Jiro made his success in Japan
No, YOU brought up Japan by omission when you started your "hurr you dumb consumerist burger" bullshit argument.
>all within "one of the most consumerist cultures" as you mention. So clearly despite the prevalence of consumerism, Japanese customers supported and appreciated his business as well as his craft.
Again, this is incorrect because you're assuming that the consumerism is not part of his own culture. Of course with Jiro himself is above it, but that isn't an aspect of his culture, it's an aspect of him, and what makes him a master at his craft.
>and what I was responding to originally.
Yes and there is my initial issue, is that all of the "arguments" to anything against Jiro, sushi, or the movie, consisted of said poster being a "consumerist, culture-less, western drone". This shitty strawman of a non-argument is what I had issue with.

>that time Obongo visited his restaurant

YOU JUST KNOW that he and his failure son scrubbed and sanitized every inch of the joint after that filthy brown foreigner left

>>87501611
>worked so well
Yeah, so well that it drove them to the cusp of complete extinction through nuclear hellfire

>>87501421
It's true, after the 90s people just stopped having hobbies and doing jobs and specializing in things.

Oh wait that's not true at all, autistic specialization to the point of uselessness is the defining trait of "millennial" and is basically why Youtube ever took off.
Haha looks like you're just a dumb faggot who romanticizes the past without understanding it then, eh?

>>87501640
Why are you so emotionally invested in everyone acknowledging the old man's achievement and being jealous of him? Are you jealous of Tom Cruise because he made good movies? Why is it necessary to be jealous of every specialist or else to intensely appreciate them? The world is full of specialists. Most people are specialists, if for no other reason then just so they can put food on the table.

If his dream is playing with rice, why can't anon's dream be shitposting or doing speedruns of irrelevant fucking games or whatever else? What significance does cooking have beyond making food edible and pleasant at some sort of baseline value? Why is it better to make overpriced food than to waste time shitposting just because Japan has a rich cultural history of food? Literally every developed nation on earth has a cultural history of food and cultures surrounding food, because it's a survival-tier need as well as an easy indicator of wealth and luxury to prepare expensive foods or go to extra trouble.

Thomas Crapper revolutionized the entire world and saved incalculable lives with his toilet design, does that mean I and the sushi guy have to be jealous of him or else conscientiously avoid making jokes about him so we don't come off as too disrespectful and make people think we're jealous?

What do you think you're about, making these subpar posts?

>>87508912
If Drumpf visited you know they would quarantine the entire area

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>>87509020
>someone nukes you
>it's somehow your fault, not the country that nuked you

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>>87505273
Imagine how angry this poster must have been to write this post. The absolute state of /jp/, I swear.

I haven't watched the documentary, but what makes his sushi so amazing? Sushi seems like such a simple food that I can't see how his sushi would be so different from anyone else who uses top quality ingredients

>>87509868
Yeah, when you start and prolong a delusional war with a country that has complete air superiority it sort of is.

>>87510235
Look you dumb fucking MILLENNIAL you don't have any idea how COMPLEX and DEVOTED true CRAFTSMANSHIP is I bet he took a bullet for every grain of rice senpai

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>>87502008
>says a monkey could do it
>"if your so proud of it"

>>87510235
sushi folded 1 mirrion times

>>87502559
uh, yeah, thats his argument. do you have an argument?

>>87510235
Watch the documentary, then. He's perfected his method, but not only that, he also dictates to the customer the proper method of eating. You don't just walk in o his restaurant, order some california rolls and fried tempura, and start dipping sushi into soy sauce - he won't let you. It's an "experience" for whatever that's worth (clearly to some it is)

>>87510419
>You don't just walk into his resta-
your right lol, i dont go to pretentious hipster places

>>87510215
What in the ever fuck makes you think /jp/ would give any semblance of a shit about Jiro?

>>87510452
Of course you don't when you can't afford it. And "hipsters" don't exist in Japan, dumbass.

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>>87510593
>you dont spend your money on dumb shit?
>you must be poor!

my poop in a can, my poop in a can, only 50 dollarydoos! what are you....

poor?

The documentary about that perfectionist French baker is better. His bread looks so amazing. You have to order months in advance to get a single baguette.

>>87500655

How does this thread consistently get so many replie.... shit.

>>87510419
None of that seems like it would take decades of practice to achieve though

>learn how to select ingredients
>learn how to prepare rice
>learn how to prepare ingredients
>learn the different types of sushi
>learn how to put it together
>learn how to put on a show for customers

What am I missing?

RIP Jiro.

>>87510518
I'm fascinated that there exists an individual who could type out and post this question without realizing how stupid it is.

i legitimately became a sushi snob after merely watching this movie like somehow my palate can detect the freshness of the fish now i can only imagine what tasting it would be like

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>>87510593
>hipsters dont exist in japan

t. pleb who can't into art

at the end of the day being an elitist about food means you enjoy less of what you eat

you know that guy who goes to subway and ONLY gets meatball on plain bread and thats it. thats you. you hate everything and you only like thing, and most of your life is suffering

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>>87510852
>so what does everything you make turn into
>oh, shit

hes kinda right, hes an artist alright

>>87501510
[separate carriages for women intensifies]

>>87510753
His experience offers a guarantee. Why would you go eat sushi at an "inferior restaurant when you could go and be served by Jiro?
And it's like how one artist's paintings can be worth more than another's due to fame, ect, but for essentially arbitrary reasons. He's earned his reputation though decades of dedication and work, even if "just sushi".
And also >>87501603

>>87501877
>le butthurt gen X poster
Shouldn't you be busy imitating the boomers?

>>87510774
And I'm amazed that someone could think something that isn't a Touhou, kong or a train-station could garner any minuscule amount of attention from /jp/.

>>87510861
To be fair, when i stopped eating food with huge amount of salt, sugar, ketchup, mayo and oil. I start to appreciate taste of more simple food.

>>87500577

He's a meme and overcharges for his shitty sushi. Only elites eat his tiny restaurant. That whole documentary was a scam.

>>87501431
it's not limited just to foods

>>87501466
kys weeb

>>87504699
>>87504578
>>87503157
>>87501431
To be fair most japs food looks good on pictures.
But in reality, it tastes very fucking simple and plain. Just some eggs, fish and rice.

Even their sweet can look fucking cute and crazy, but same as oreo or even worse.

let's get real bros
jiro's lifetime dedication to rolling fish up in rice balls doesn't make him a 'good' human being. it makes him a master sushi chef but there's more to life than a monomaniacal preoccupation with sushi. the interesting part of the documentary was how he was so obsessed with this menial task that he would psychologically abuses his children for it, that he would forsake every other meaningful aspect in life over it.

>>87501466
You've never been to a nice restaurant.

>>87501087
Making burger takes more skill than making sushi.

>>87500734
It would have taken him much more time, since those are more complex dishes

I used to be a cheeseburger eating fag like you too, OP.

>>87500955
Being a real chef

>>87511399
Sushi same junk food as a cheeseburger.

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>>87511318
This. If Jiro ever saw a real American burger, he would be ashamed of the raw fish entrails he serves.

>>87500867
Go fuck yourself you little shit

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>>87511418
>*wipes fingers*
>"Sushi same junk food as a cheeseburger"

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>tfw new conveyor sushi place just opened up near my work
It's hurts my wallet but fuck it's so good, I wish more restaurants did fun stuff like this.

>>87511430
Nice and juicy.

>>87511468
Rice which is high on carbs and small amour of fish. Same with onigiri and chimaki shit.
This isn't healthy food in any way.

>>87511418
heh

>>87501259
This guy's sushi would just as good or better than Jiro's. And he had time for his family.

I don't think sushi is that great. I'd rather have a decent Thai curry.

>>87511504
Carbs are very healthy. They're one of the 3 primary energy sources every person in the world eats (minus people on ketogenic diets) alongside fats and protein. Basically, "healthy" is a pop-health buzzword. Japanese traditionally eat lots of rice and fish, and have some of the highest lifespans of any country. Jiro is 91 years of age, and could kick your ass, kid.

>>87501421
You would have a point if this wasn't about making sushi.

There is a point of diminishing returns when it comes to making sushi and jiro passed it 50 years ago.

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>>87511524
Holy shit, in japan sushi restaurants working literally on conveyor belt.

>>87511636
And his height around 1.50 i bet. This is you rice + fish diet.
Only after west imported meat in large amount in japan, they start to grow.

>>87511636
>Jiro is 91 years of age, and could kick your ass, kid.
We know that's you, old man.

>>87501985
This.

>>87511687
Japanese eat more steak than Americans. You're just scrambling for strings with the height fallacy - of course certain ethnicities are shorter than others. You can't disprove country with highest lifespan + Jiro himself being 91 years old and kicking.

Japanese people don't actually eat sushi all the time and not all of them even like it. Putting this guy on a pedestal as an example of a model Japanese citizen is like putting the guy who cooks the best steak as a role model in the US.

>>87511770
>Japanese eat more steak than Americans
Citation needed.
Meat they eat really fucking shitty (huge amount of fat in it) and very thin.

>>87511430
Would be good if they actually cooked that raw mince.

>>87501259
Fucking hell did that savage not even kill the fish before he started scaling and gutting it

>>87511951
The pain tenderises the meat.

you faggots are still arguing about this?

Imagine being so upset that somebody, somewhere became really good at a thing they're passionate about. Are you a woman, OP?

>>87512243
Its literally other way around, but chinks are to stupid for science so they belive in their mystical shit.

>>87501667
>>87501719
fuck now I'm hungry

Western 3 star chef
>Needs to know scores of techniques, both traditional and modern, including dangerous lab material
>Knows several thousand recipes from all around the world, his mind is always learning
>Reinvents the wheel everyday to keep on the state of the art
>Controls his restaurant like a leader, managing a team of 80 men he trusts.

Jap 3 star chef
>BOIL RICE!
>CUT FISH!
>BOIL RICE!
>CUT FISH!
>I'M BOSSU, DO THIS YOU WORTHLESS SON!

Michelin guide critics are weaboos

>>87513802
Have you done any cooking aside from watching Nightmare Kitchens on youtube?

>>87514298
Not him.

But recreating something as 'simple' as spaghetti and meatballs or a Beef Wellington, or even just making a nice gravy to accompany a lamb chop/steak requires infinite more skill/knowledge than preparing sushi.

Sushi chefs aren't chefs. They don't cook anything. They're not using chemistry or intuition to recreate a dish that requires multiple steps involving both. Presenting you with what mother nature created in raw form, in pretentious way, and taking credit for it, is a total joke.

Has there been secret taste tests involving Denny's sushi and something from a 3 star restaurant?

>>87514513
Fair point.

>>87501559
I'd rather have a $2 milk steak

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>>87501421
That is a good point except i don't even belief son enjoys making sushi, he was forced into it by his dad, and dad was forced into it be poverty, to a point where making a sushi for them can be very similar to masturbation, just more nuanced one: you do something that you progress in, that you are praised for yet it may as well not touch your core. And honestly both of them felt pretty hollow.

Overall the whole issue is extremely nuanced: while it's true that you don't necessarily may need to peel the radish for all those years how do you determine exactly when one should stop? Surely you learn something neat about radish but is it truly needed for the taste?

It may be that tradition replaces the love for the craft, and of course tradition is much more reliable: you do something that is specifically written instead of what feels right. And tradition/rulefags can't rely on their feelings because they seemingly don't have any.

>supposedly the worlds best sushi chef
>works in a fucking subway

>>87501559
>eating to be full

The only real skill he has is choosing perfect ingridients for his sushi, no way hes 3-star chief but hes great business man.

i'm jealous of his commitment to his craft and how much he enjoys it

most people these days seem to hate their jobs
myself included

>>87514513
>Sushi chefs aren't chefs. They don't cook anything.
common misconception, not all sushi is served raw

>>87500577
Sushi is a meme. Even the Japs know it.

>>87506425
>dry crumbly paper

lol wtf are you using like use toilet paper wtf loool

>>87515255
tokyo real estate is extremely expensive

subways aren't like here in america, where you think of homeless guys and panhandlers

they are like mini malls and complexes

Okay here is the reason I think that people are triggered by "10k hours mastery" guys: a lot of them were pulled in into the whole thing by a chance, if you research stuff like shame in order to "fill the hole" people can both become total losers and superachievers while remaining unhappy. Add to that that those who "start from the bottom", children of immigrants and whatnot have a huge push to getting to mastery as well. So now these fags get to the top and go all "I was working hard so i rule, you were not so you are shit". While it's kinda true it kinda isn't because for them doing "hard work" felt better than not doing hard work, also that "hard work" was infinitely more satisfying than you trying to read through one page for twenties time and thinking that you are a lazy fuck.

tl;dr in a very significant way they lucked out even though, because they are brainlets, they will look at stuff like money and be all "well i had a single crack addict mom and ate dirt so i didn't have an advantage" even though it in itself is an advantage.

People should enjoy the place they are at without self shaming, be it at the top or bottom, right now it's impossible to do as a system but an individual can learn to do so.

>>87503296
If only you had dubs..

I could master sushi to perfection in two weeks top. Overrated gook trash

>>87501510
Oy vey, this will not do... we need some refugees and diversity in Japan pronto to take care of this problem...

>>87509751

kek.

But seriously, if they don't serve cheeseburgers, Drumpf wouldn't go within a mile of the place.

>>87511951
he jammed two chopsticks into its mouth at the start, that killed it

>>87501363
That boiling stuff is oil? Oil is supposed to catch on fire when it starts boiling at that point.