>Season 13 >currently the longest running sci-fi/fantasy

>>87476353
This show was shit when I was a kid and it's still shit now.

>>87476353
Is the fandom for this still incest obsessed?

>>87476353
Season 8 should have been the last

>>87476421
>Season 5 should have been the last
FTFY

besides, 11 and 12 were waaay better than the shit show that is 8-10. Fucking memetron

>>87476402
no, they switched to destiel baiting crap instead

i wonder what show will take its helm once it finishes.

I've been watching this show on and off since it started but I honestly can't remember at what point did the fanbase become so insufferable, was it when Cas was brought in?

>>87476468

The finale where they tried closing both gates should've been the last of the Angels/Demons arc and back to basic hunting like they've been promising us for years.

>>87477501

>once it finishes

Wayward Sisters is happening this year. along with their newest contract being for this year and next.

>ending

>>87477960

It's going to fail like the other pilot did

>>87478154

It was most commonly brought up idea for a spinoff and they're using jodie mills to take the show back to grittier roots. I don't think so.

Fan favorite lead, a woman, which is rare in itself. If they take it back to roots like they said, I think it will do well.

Chicago pilot was a massive departure from the base show

>>87477641
>The finale where they tried closing both gates should've been the last of the Angels/Demons arc
i agree, it was getting stale. Purgatory + monsters + old ones should have been expanded

>back to basic hunting like they've been promising us for years
except they did this with season 6 and people threw a fit anyway

>>87478371
Wasn't season 6 the leviathans? That was stupid as fuck

>>87478371

>Purgatory + Alphas

The fact monsters have their own culture and ideas of apocalypse and shit like the episode with Garth becoming a werewolf had some incredibly interesting ideas but it is a shame it got abandoned so quickly over Angel/Demon bollocks.

Winchester Brothers + Bobby alive have to kill Sisters Halliwell to stop Lucifer's evil clone from destroying God's father and save Dean from the nth demonic pact he did to save Sam from his nth+1 demonic pact.
They have two days of prep time. Who wins?

>>87478557
Season 6 had the nice monster progression
>monsters
>monsters that don't follow their old patterns/habits/range
>pack leaders
>ancient and powerful monsters (dragons) resurfacing
>new and hybrid monsters
>alphas
>Eve the Mother of All
Season 7 brought the Leviathans aka the Old Ones

Was the latest season interesting? I stopped watching like two episodes into it when their mom left to do her own shit

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>>87478736
>Winchester Brothers + Bobby alive have to kill Sisters Halliwell
>Who wins?
Buffy

>>87478313
It won't. Nobody cares about fucking Jody and her shitty step daughters.

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>>87478868
it picked up when they revealed the princes of hell although of course it fucked up the demonic hierarchy YET AGAIN

>>87476468
Leviathans and Abadonn we still pretty good
But I agree, Metatron was absolute bullshit.

>>87479058

I like how they defeated Metatron with the POWER OF THE MICROPHONE like in that one American Dad episode where Steve and his friends announce offensive shit over the school speakers.

>>87479058
The leviathans aged well after i watched Angel and got accustomed to "evil in a corporate suit" and with the political undertones

Abaddon was very interesting at first but they kept nerfing her power levels and was a huge red herring when they were trying to "cure" Crowley and setting up Abaddon as the new big bad but then they just took it back anyway and reinstalled Crowley back as the king of hell

Memetron was so fucking shit, his arc had no point at all. You can remove chunks of seasons 8-10 and it wouldn't have mattered and they could have just gone straight to the Darkness arc. That era had no direction and cohesion AT ALL. Plus, Metatron acting like God and rewriting the rules was pretty much like Carver shitting on the established lore of Kripke

>>87478313
>>87478954
hard to say. While most of the fanbase (who are screaming girls who ship everyone they want) would support this, there are a few supernatural shows right now that are led by females (Wynona Earp, Van Helsing) that don't seem to be gaining much traction

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>Sam and Dean go through hell and death to constantly save each other
>oh but that third brother who lmao

Angels have been and are the worst part about this show. I would take a Felicity-sized romantic subplot in every show the CW produces over more angel shit.

>>87476468
>Season 2 should have been the last

Now Its fixed

>>87478313
Chicago pilot wasn't even supernatural. It was like an even shittier version of the Dresden Files tv show

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>>87479600
>Angels have been and are the worst part about this show
not when scenes like this exist or raphael's electric wings

>>87479600
I remember when Castiel first appeared it was the hypest shit, especially recently after the fake-angel episode with Dean losing faith. And Crowley and all the demons in disbelief and pissing their pants.

Then angels become corporate mob fodder who die by the numbers.

if someone did an edited cut of this show, and turned season 1-5 into about season 1-3, it would be pure, pure kino.

there was a lot of magic in the first 5 seasons. but it properly went to shit after s5. had to drop it late in s6, was horrificially bad

>>87479692
>>87479679
Effects are nothing without good story.
That said, I did omit the glory of Mark Pellegrino as Lucifer. That shit always gets me super hype, I can't wait to see how he snakes out his current predicament.
over/under on mama Winchester hooking up with lucifer?

>>87479589
He got cucked hard.

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>>87479740
>had to drop it late in s6, was horrificially bad
>Eve the mother of all
>three-way war between heaven, hell and purgatory
>plot twist about Castiel proclaiming himself as God

the latter part of season 6 tied up everything well and salvaged the somewhat shaky and messy start of the season

>>87479777
>Effects are nothing without good story
fortunately, it's not just effects. Adding angels into the story highlighted how Dean was the obedient good son (Michael) while Sam was the rebellious kid (Lucifer). They finally had both roles to play instead of Sam hogging all the predetermined supernatural bullshit that was in seasons 1-3

Plus, it allowed the show to use the four horsemen and gave us Death so you can take a seat and be quiet

I started rewatching this recently, after ditching the show after Leviathan season.

Gotta say, I was fucking impressed. Show still holds up today. Seasons 10 and 11 blew me away. Misha Collins as lucifer was the best acting hands down in the history of the show, and some episodes like Beyond the Mat and Devil in the Details are fucking GOAT as far as I'm concerned.

But... How the fuck did the writers get away with the (((stein))) family stuff?

>>87479692
>Then angels become corporate mob fodder who die by the numbers.
I'm convinced that a bunch of atheists and non-Christians in Hollywood have made it their mission to degrade, embarrass and shit all over angels as a concept. If you look at Eastern depictions of angels they are powerful as fuck even when they either turn out to be evil or kind of dicks or just want to kill everything. In western shows you have angels being black people, weak as fuck or being petty morons who get tricked by humans.

Even in Supernatural they are like "hurrdurr this form is just a container because I would be the size of a skyscraper" but then they get into fights that are essentially poorly choreographed fist/knife fights and die like fucking chumps. You know what else had angels the size of skyscrapers? Evangelion. They certainly weren't fucking chumps.

>>87479589
Is Michael still inhabiting him or did they torture him too?

>>87479906
I honestly care more about Michael being brought back than Adam

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>>87479881
>If you look at Eastern depictions of angels they are powerful as fuck even when they either turn out to be evil or kind of dicks or just want to kill everything.

Riigghhttt

>>87476353
>sci-fi/fantasy show
Disgusting. Supernatural has nothing to do with sci-fi. I hate it when faggots think science fiction and fantasy are even remotely related.

>>87479949
That cherry picking though. The vast majority of angel and angel like beings in anime are extremely over-powered as fuck.

>>87480011
i know they're different but the industry always lumps them together

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>>87480042
The concept of angels and demons in the East are pure fucking novelty for cheap entertainment. It's not the West alone, the gravitas of the Christian mythos is rarely portrayed as scary as it actually is.

Except for demons; demons and devils are always the favourites of fiction.

>>87476353

season 11 with the return of Chuck was amazing!

the show is fun. it doesnt take itself seriously. it knows its run its course. now i just fucks around, is super self aware, and just generally keeps putting the brothers in ridiculous situations.

we should be praising the show for being self aware of it's own ridiculousness.

few shows, if any, have become what supernatural is.

>>87480125
Of course they are a fucking novelty. The dude who did Evangelion didn't even know the mythology. He just took some random shit and created his own thing out of it.

Doesn't change the fact that in the west angels are often depicted as weak chumps. Even in Legion where they tried to make them scary they were still chumps in the end.

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>>87479611
>not wanting Bela Talbot, Ruby and Anna to happen
what a fag

>>87479949
Vigne best girl tho

I know this show is tumblr bait but is it actually good or not?

>>87479854
You mean the obedient son/rebellious son that they dropped immediately afterward?
Also Death was the only good horseman. Not convinced he's actually dead.

My own pet peeve is that Dean basically becoming a torturer demon while he was in hell rarely got touched on again after he came back to life.
He just hooked up with a single mom for a while and that was it, back to plain Dean.

>>87480284
It's gold until S5 end.

>>87480284
Max landis' comment about wrestling applies here:
>don't get me wrong, a lot of it sucks - but when it's good, it's fucking great
The impala pov episode is kino

>>87480284
At a certain point it feels like you wasted your time watching it. It's not the worst thing in the world but it's not really great either.

>>87480313
well of course the show moved on to other lore, how would it be relevant still when dealing with the mother of all monsters?

>>87480284
first five seasons are the most coherent and best seasons. show took a dip around 8-10. 11-12 were upswings but still kind of below the first 5. give it a try

>>87480355
They've never done justice with the whole dark side Dean type thing. I remember when he killed the kitsune and pissed off Sam but that never really went anywhere.

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>>87480355
Dean literally became a knight of hell as was foreshadowed in Season 3's Dream A Little Dream of Me

>>87480355
Same with Sam's psychic powers, id like to see them be at least referenced.
But on second thought, they did continue that line of thinking: Dean being trapped in the nightmare that he'd demonify, Dean getting hit with the Mark of Cain and getting addicted to killing and slaughtering the Steins and beating the shit out of Castiel (that was a fucking great moment), Dean finally admitting that, yes, he does in fact just straight up enjoy administering violent death.

>>87478990
What is the Canon demonic hierarchy currently now anyways?

>>87478915
poor Buffy. Her nose just kept growing. Those Jew genes.

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>>87480579
Prince(s) of Hell >= Lilith

very debatable. Lilith is a white-eyed demon along with Alastair, but Lilith is the only one mentioned when it comes to "A-listers" or those in line for the throne. Princes have powers not shown by Lilith, but Lilith was very first demon and knew how to break the seals

Cain was the father of murder and the strongest among the knights of hell, and he could only be killed with the first blade. whether he is immune to the colt (which the princes and lilith aren't) is also debatable

knights of hell probably follow

king of crossroads, maybe?

special demons like astaroth (tammi the witch who stopped the colt bullet midair), ruby, seven deadly sins, meg, etc

regular fodder black eyes

crossroads/redeyes

unknown: tempter demon (only exists in alternate timeline so far)
acheri

>>87480579
>caring about canon on current year supernatural

>>87480688
this hurts

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>>87480207
I forget how sexy she is.

>>87479854
Too bad Death got fucking scythed.

I can't remember how far I got into it but did he ever come back afterwards?

>>87480977
a reaper implied a "new Death" but nothing concrete

Jodie Mills spinoff is awright, but I'd rather see the black witch guy with new massive power boost and deal with a demon and his twin straw man sister

>>87480977
Not yet, but it's only been two seasons.

>>87480977
yfw nuDeath will be a young pretty snarky girl

calling it now

>>87481039
>>87481068
>new death
cannot wait to see how they'll fuck it up.
i'll also join you in that bet

>>87481068
>it's just Death, of the Endless
>supernatural crossover with SandGaiman
I want this so bad

>>87481068
>>87481099
did you also hate kid-Lilith?

>>87481099
Also openly bisexual, somehow hates pickle chips

>>87481136
i honestly don't remember enough to care.
might try and download the seasons if my hard drive can spare it

>>87481136
I liked kid Lilith. But you have to admit the show has an unending fevor for hot sulty villainesses who are meant to be primordial evils.

It was fine with Meg, but then they had to go all Abaddon, Lilith, Eve, the Darkness and on.

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>>87481068
>>87481099
>>87481165
let's go the other way and think of something totally unexpected/iconic

>John Winchester becomes the new Death
>a cameo from another cult show like Buffy/Angel
>something else entirely

>>87481246
>>John Winchester becomes the new Death
That would be fucking amazing. Or they could setup an entire season where all these ancient primordial powers are competing in a faction war for the title.

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>>87481199
>you have to admit the show has an unending fevor for hot sulty villainesses who are meant to be primordial evils
that's what happens when your protagonists are walking sausagefests. Gotta balance the show somehow

>>87481273
The second half makes more sense: just as even Zeus, king of the Gods, paid fealty to Fate, even God will be reaped, which makes the current Death top dog

>>87481302
They could have at least made her look dishevelled and demonic, not like an American Apparel model.

>>87479949
>>87480042
>>87480125
>Comparing the concept of mytical/religious Angels to little gay Animes
Yeeeeees

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>>87481341
>They could have at least made her look dishevelled and demonic
i got you senpai

>>87481341
That's the show's thing though. These divine and demonic entities looking and almost behaving like regular people.

Get's on my nerves real fucking hard most times.

>>87478954
I care about fucking Jodie iykwim ;) :o

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>>87481338
>Zeus, king of the Gods, paid fealty to Fate
Zeus died in season 8 and Fate works for Heaven

>>87479777
>>87479679
It wasn't effects, that was a legit good scene. The angels were originally good, but they've been flanderized to all hell and back as they were only supposed to be in the presumed final season.

Now they're pointless, and don't even make sense. At first they'd smite demons on sight, and could give you cancer by looking at you , now the Winchesters get into fist fights with them and win. Shit makes no sense.

I can't think of the last time Castiel has done anything useful. The guy is the definition of a jobber.

>>87481388
>That's the show's thing though. These divine and demonic entities looking and almost behaving like regular people.
It's total bullshit because the longer you live the less human you'd become. That's just reality. With increased ability to retain knowledge and other shit there is no way these demons would be delivering a bunch of quips all the time.

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>>87480205
My favorite depiction of an angel is from The Prophecy.

>>87479856
S11 > S5 legitimately. "S1-5 only" fags are mindless plebs

>>87481519
How about when he played Death as Adam Sandler's version in Click?

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>>87476353
Creature of the Week: Goat
Everything else: Shit
Angel/Demon/God shit: Bleach in eyes please.

>>87481462
>At first they'd smite demons on sight, and could give you cancer by looking at you , now the Winchesters get into fist fights with them and win. Shit makes no sense
well the nuAngels lost most of their mojo after memetron but i agree, they used to be great, which is why i hated that season 8 went back to heaven vs hell. they should have brought eve back with medusa eyes, draconic wings, and a manticore tail and wrought even more monstrous beings as vengeance

>>87481558
Haven't seen it.

>>87481341
And what exactly does "demonic" entail?>>87481388
That's the real problem. They had it right in the beginning: angels were beings not just punching above your weight class, but punching in ways you could not begin to comprehend. They took human form in order to not harm you with their true form, not because they act human.
The better use of Angels is the way divine beings are treated in DB Super - beings with divine ki can't even be sensed by mortal ki users because they just can't comprehend it. Then they fight a legit God of Destruction and can't actually hurt him at all so they try to talk him down.
It's not an ant trying to kill a human, it's a square trying to outperform a cube.

Anyone going to the supernatural con in pittsburgh this weekend?

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>>87481519
>tfw you'll never see biblical angels in tv or movies
>you only see them in fucking jRPGs

>>87479589
is this the guy who plays flash?

>>87481434
I mean Greek myth Zeus and Fate.
Zeus was so powerful, he was like "what you don't like the way I run shit? Come try to drag me off mount Olympus - I'll pull you all up myself"
But even he had to treat Fate as someone to be respected. Even has a deathless being, a god could still suffer.

>>87481544
Lel no. Season 11 is good but still falls flat compared to season 5. God can easily revive his archangels and make MIchael sane again except he wont. And despite the finale pulling a "defense of mt. hyjal against archimonde" with darkness vs witches, demons, angels and God, it still felt flat. Why did the hyper beam of heaven deal less damage than some 20 regular black demon wisps against Amara? At least we can't fault S5 because it didn't show the actual showdown but S11 have all the "big guns" and still feeling incomplete

>>87481599
He starts off as some inventor guy that gives Adam's character the remote that allows him to manipulate life exactly like you would when watching a movie and then later reveals that he's an angel but to adam's confusion, reveals again that's he's actually the angel of death.

Probably one of Adam's very few decent movies.

>>87481473
Says who? Are old people less human because they know and have seen more?

>>87477960
I read somewhere that they want it to run for 666 episodes

>>87481579
They do the same shit with demons though. For the longest time they couldn't even kill one, and a single no-name demon showing up was a big fucking deal. Now it's like they're just complete mooks.

At first the death of an angel was something so unfounded that they had an entire episode dedicated to discovering the mystery of how someone could do it. Now they just casually shank them left and right. Why the fuck do the Angels even entertain knife fights with them when they, as previously shown, could just flick their wrist and snap their necks?

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>>87479949
>>If you look at Eastern depictions of angels they are powerful as fuck even when they either turn out to be evil or kind of dicks or just want to kill everything.
>posts anime

What an absolute MADMAN, holy fuck

>>87481653
No, that's Adam. John Winchester's other son.

>>87481755
Remember when Snooki turned out to be a crossroads demon?

>>87481755
>They do the same shit with demons though. For the longest time they couldn't even kill one, and a single no-name demon showing up was a big fucking deal. Now it's like they're just complete mooks.

That is an actual trope in most movies, shows, and video games..

>>87481664
>God can easily revive his archangels and make MIchael sane again except he wont.
There actually was a throwaway line that said reviving the Archangels took primordial creation which would take far too long.


The real massive fucking plot hole is that they said countless times that a fight between Lucifer and Michael could not happen because it would ruin half the planet due to their power. It's the entire Dean didn't just say yes to the Angels.


But a fight between God and his Sister leaves no impact at all?

>>87481695
>Says who? Are old people less human because they know and have seen more?
Are you dumb? Not over a single lifetime jackass. Also humans have a finite amount of memory. That's why you can forget skills if you don't keep repeatedly using them to keep the neural pathways connected.

A cosmic being with memory worthy of their lifespan wouldn't be limited by human morality and shortsighted selfish thinking. Humans TRY to pass down knowledge but we keep repeating mistakes because every person has to make the mistake before they truly appreciate it. A being like this would have already made every mistake and learned everything. They would be beyond your comprehension.

>>87481755
listen, i agree with you but that's also because the characters learn from experience and gain shitload of new weapons when dealing with them

they didn't have the knife before
even the colt made things easy and that was season 1
season 8 introduced a demon bomb

the problem isn't that they are getting better against certain foes or that their foes are getting weakened by certain events, the problem is the show not coming up with new and strange foes so they can show some difficulty like when they had to deal with demons and angels the first time

i mean hate the leviathan all you want but they had the winchesters on the run, destroyed bobby's place, killed bobby and frank deveraux before the boys could even start to fight back effectively

the show just plain needs new enemies to keep it interesting and not a slave to its former glory and power levels/creep

>>87476402
>somehow live off teen girl fans
>somehow get males fans and live some more

THEY CANNOT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS

>>87481902
>i mean hate the leviathan all you want but they had the winchesters on the run, destroyed bobby's place, killed bobby and frank deveraux before the boys could even start to fight back effectively


did they ever explain why the Leviathan ultimate weakness was soap??


they seemed pretty easy to defeat 2bh

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>>87476353
>me me

>>87481924
wasn't the show originally catered to male fans? it's two greasers roaming the country slaughtering B movie monsters to classic rock music.

>>87481812
>reviving the Archangels took primordial creation which would take far too long
but God only needed to cure Michael, and not recreate him

>a fight between God and his Sister leaves no impact at all
exactly why I think S11 was great until the actual fight. Buffy did apocalyptic battles way better.

>>87481902
>even the colt made things easy and that was season 1

Still a bit different because they had such limited bullets, so there was always tension to whether they would use it or not. And that scene when they shot the yellow-eyed demon and it having no effect was such a oh shit moment because of that fact.

>>87481976
yes,but then if females took over as the male lefts and know the males are back Idk how they keep doing this man

>COMFY MUSCLE CAR,MONSTER HUNTING

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>>87481976
it was but ironically it attracted more girls. hell, tumblr is full of girls forcing their boyfriends to watch the show, while I had to insist to my girlfriend to watch it

>>87481984
>but God only needed to cure Michael, and not recreate him

presumably it'd take similar effort I guess.

why the fuck he didn't take the time to revive Gabriel after it was all over also made no sense. He's revived Castiel like ten times but Gabriel died fighting trying to stop Lucifer too but he gets nothing.

>>87478154
What kind of idiot came up with mafia style plot involving shifters/werewolves set in a single town. Did they saw kindred the embraced and went "this time for sure"

>>87481902
>even the colt made things easy and that was season 1
the colt worked because of the ammo restraints they put on it

>>87482029
NO TIME

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>>87482006
>And that scene when they shot the yellow-eyed demon and it having no effect was such a oh shit moment because of that fact
this literally never happened. Azazel died with the damn bullet implanted in him. They missed the first time. the first demon to truly stop a bullet was Tammi/Astaroth from Season 3

>>87481664
What later seasons understand is that Sam vs Dean is good for a couple of episodes at best. Which is why 11 and 12 are pure kino as they actually put petty squabbles aside.

>>87478313
The powerlevels are lost in the sky. unless the brothers die at the and every fan will be complaining about how they should call the brothers and it will have cheap name drops like agents of shit. women will go "2 guys could solo gods but women can't even take 1 wolf, my sogy knees". buffy 2.0 would need a different origin

>>87482086
maybe he was talking about the time Sam shot him in the leg and it didn't immediately kill him?

or more likely he's just confusing him with Lucifer

>>87478848
>nice monster progression
That is literally a video game monster progression

>>87482094
>What later seasons
lol seasons 8-10 are still full of sam and dean fighting

>>87482086
>>87482135

Oh nevermind, I meant Lucifer. I remember the original line now being the three things it can't kill was Lucifer, God and something something.

>>87482140
and it was beautiful

need i remind you
>black eyed demons
>crossroad demons
>yellow eyes
>white eyes

or

>regular angels
>garrison leaders
>archangels

Season 6 was classic supernatural with focus on monsters/purgatory

>>87478868
no its garbage. lucifer fucked someone while he was the president and 25% of the plot was about the anti Christ (the tritest of plots, along with nazis)in the end baby grew up in seconds and turned out to have been good so he banished lucy into an alternative universe where demons won. most of the show was about British hunters who were are supposed to take as super spooky after fighting demi god for years

>>87482167
it's Lucifer, God, and the Darkness presumably.


or he meant 3 things as in 3 races of things, so Archangels, Creators(whatever the fuck God's race is) and maybe Horsemen? The only non-jobber one was Death so idk.

>>87482148
Which is why I said 11 + 12

>>87482167
>three things it can't kill
FIVE

Season 5 was supposed to be the end, it was written and made as the finale. The studio demanded (through contract) the show needs goes on for another 10 seasons
Jared was very angerd by it.
T.insider

>>87479544
>(Wynona Earp, Van Helsing)
because both are shit. I have seen few eps and I would not watch it even if the best actor in the world came back from the dead to be in that show.

>>87482240
good they're doing their best work yet

>>87482240
hi Jared.

>>87482221
FIVE things

>>87482223
that you did

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>Alpha Vampire
>expect him to be some Nosferatu looking freakish creature of the night
>it's budget Cuba Gooding Jr

>>87482207
>they make a huge deal out of Lucifer only able to get to very specific people
>it just so happens the President is one of those people, what a coincidence
>Lucifer gets in the President, oh shit
>literally nothing comes of it but him getting a lady pregnant
>Sam and Dean, who have both been to Hell, Sam tortured by the Devil personally for what felt like years to them break after a few months of solitary confinement and describe it as worse than Hell

this was the most retarded part of it all

>>87482240
>managing to sign a contract for 10(ten) seasons
That's a huge fucking commitment.

>>87482240
>Season 5 was supposed to be the end, it was written and made as the finale.

is that supposed to be a good thing?

dean gets a family and sam goes to hell forever

fuck you

i hate that it continued after season 2.

>>87482315
fuck sam 2bh he literally caused everything by being a retard who wants demon pussy

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>>87482258
I also tried watching them and couldn't stand it. I felt like Constantine (2015 series) was the first true show to follow the footsteps of early Supernatural/Buffy. Shame it was canceled halfway into the season

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>>87479589
Was he real? Its been forever so I assumed they made him up for the fanfic ep
>>87479679
>>87479692
all true. cas himself is good and they have potential but as beings they are shit. cas being there just shows how shit they are because he can get so much done while they are are like broken robots with 0 complexity

>>87482356
fuck off. sam is practically a saint compared to everybody else in spn.

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>>87482288
>alpha vampire episode
>yfw Nic Cage enters the room

>>87482419
>saw nothing wrong with a demon convincing him to consuming demon souls and beat the shit out of his brother when he tried to stop him

yeah what a saint

>>87479589
this poor fucking guy is still rotting in the cage. they could've at least had a throwaway line that death tossed him to heaven or some shit when he got sam out.


or God could've done it, Christ

>>87482406
>that fan fiction episode
probably the best worst episode i've ever seen.

>>87479589
he should come back as an antagonist. he'd be totally justified in trying to murder the fuck out of sam and dean

5 = 11 > 4 > 12 = 3 > 1 = 2 > 10 > 6 = 9 > 8 > 7

>>87482453
i can't be bothered to get into this. i won't write down every time sam stopped dean from doing something awful. or everytime he tried to talk to somebody or help somebody suffering. you clearly don't fucking get it.

>>87482315
yes, it's bittersweet and sometimes when you fight a war you don't get to kill all your enemies or not lose anyone. There was nothing wrong with that ending

>>87482574
>literally caused the apocalypse and countless deaths by being a retard
>oh but he did some good stuff too before

fuck off sam apologist

>LuciSam telling Dean "no matter what you choose, we will always end up here"
I can't wait for the other show to drop on this one

>>87482590
the family life didn't suit Dean. Not saying he can't settle down at some point but that family was not a good pick

>>87482288
When will you learn that budget only allows for colord contacts and wall tossing

>>87482622
they already passed that point in time with the current number of seasons

>>87482590
>there was nothing wrong with that ending
sam going to hell forever?

>>87482620
>literally caused the apocalypse and countless deaths by being a retard
>by being as retard
so explain to me how he was a retard. explain how of wasn't the shit writing of the series? or not.

>>87482620
>oh but he did some good stuff too before
oh you fuck off you jensen ackles worshiping mindless cunt.

>>87482667
What was a good pick? Him dying in a bar or becoming a loner like bobby? He needed a semi happy end since sam was going to hell. I don't think he could make family life work end even if he did he would be that paranoid dad on the lookout for supernatural that may come after his family but that is the best he can get

>>87482730
>explain how he was a retard
>wow this demon lady is asking me to drink the blood of demons and consume their souls to grow stronger. better listen to her and beat the shit out of my own brother near to death when he tries to stop this sketchy shit
>oops turned out she had foul intentions my bad

>oh you fuck off you jensen ackles worshiping mindless cunt.

yeah okay sam dindu nuffin wrong of course

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>>87482730
On a scale of 9-10, how gay are you for Jared?

>>87482780
yeah poor dean who doesn't give a shit about anything except his family. poor fucking dean.

>>87482029
Castiel is Azor Ahai

>that alzheimer's episode
"Dean gets a wacky curse" is always a fun time but that shit turned to kino in the bathroom scene
Waiting for the next installment where Dean becomes Deanna

>>87482574
By season 11 they are both garbage human beings, in a way they are like the monsters they hunt. It is inevitable when a show runs for long and with such power levels

>>87482730
>sam going to hell forever?
yes. Its sad but as an ending its fine. Do you throw a fit anytime characters in a story don't get a happy ending? They could have softened it a bit to just being in hell instead of tortured (maybe deadlocked with lucy) but otherwise nothing wrong there.

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>>87482830
>Waiting for the next installment where Dean becomes Deanna
Fuck off, tumblr

>>87482730
At least Jensen Ackles can act

Jensen unironically has the perfect family, great looking house in a beautiful area, hot wife, and seems like a total bro

>tfw Jensen will never invite you over to watch a Cowboys game and drink Lone Star while his wife makes a pot roast with mashed potatoes and gravy

>>87482804
7 if he was younger and not as bloated as he is now

>>87482922
It's only a matter of time

>>87482937
Dude has twins, too. Always wanted to have twin sons/kids.

>>87476353
dean fucking ruined his career for sticking out to this show

i stopped watching like 3 years ago

>>87482830
I loved the Episodes where Dean and Sam meet Jared and Jensen and the one where Sam is Jobber and Dean a Manager

>>87482830
top kek. I want to see it. If they have the balls for it they will go into the direction of him shlicking for half a day instead of going on about how hard it is to be a woman

>>87482982
>That scene where Kripke got blown away

Had to be fun as fuck to film

>>87482833
true. i stopped watching in season 4, watched some of 5 and 7 then just left it. season 1 - 3 i'll happily rewatch. when sam was a gentle, kind person and dean was the unsung hero.

>>87482906
>Do you throw a fit anytime characters in a story don't get a happy ending?
i was going to give you a real response but then you said this so, whatever.

>>87482929
he could act in dark angel as alec. he's the reason i started watching spn i wanted to see what he'd do next. now all he does is grun for the camera, grunt gurn look at me shit.

>>87482973
Where else would he have gone? he is not buff enough to be an action star but right now he is only 40 so he could still score a role as a superhero

>>87483020
>that one assistant dodging the bullet
>>87482982
>Jared and Jensen play Sam and Dean play Jared and Jensen play Sam and Dean

>>87482973
>ruined his career

He gets paid a lot to do a fun show with people he likes. What's wrong with that?

>>87483060
Replace Tom Hary with Ackles for Venom

>>87482780
I feel like settling down with some girl and the gf's son is just an awkward end. Perhaps if she'd been built up a little beforehand, but I feel like he was broken and she just happened to be there. If Dean ends up with someone, it should be someone with more substance and importance to them imo

>>87482906
Unhappy endings are fine if they tonally fit the rest of the show. S5's ending is weirdly grim compared to what comes before

They really fucked up when they made all the other gods into such pushovers. At least the Hindu ones should've been a force to be reckoned with. After season 5 they should've closed the judeo-christian chapter and gone for an influx of new and old gods in the powervacuum god and lucifer's absence left..

Remember when Sam had superpowers?

>>87483199
How was it grim? Dean gets to be a family man, being the father that his own never was. Sam gets to make his great sacrifice to save the world, putting to rest his guilt over unleashing Lucifer in the first place. It's good, it works.

>>87476353
What is the current state of Michael, Gabriel, Raphael and Uriel?

>>87476402
Nah, they switched to Jonsa from Game of Thrones for a while.
They are just gay now. Destiel/Samifer etc.

>>87483522
Still somehow very harsh that Sam is tortured by Lucifer to the end of the days. I don't think it would be realistic that Dean would live with this.

>>87483522
Being tortured by Lucifer for eternity is pretty grim

>>87476468
>Season 5 should have been the last

Nah, Leviathans were quite solid, as well as the "Trials" arc. Also, Raphael shouldn't be left as loose end.

That being said, if they kept with batshit insane and feral Leviathans instead of corporate shit, it'd be better.

>>87483149
In a happy ending yes but he does not get happy endings, he gets the middle ground.
>more substance and importance to them
no such character was in the show at the time and its not unfathomable that his romance could work out or be good, it was epilogue so it was rushed but many romance books have been written with the same setting of a single mom finding a gruff broken man

>>87483522
>It's good, it works.
yeah dean gets away with everything he's done. he gets to live a good life because his intentions were loyal. not even good.

sam gets to live in hell because his intentions were always to live his own life but when his family pulled him back into the shit, he had to do it.
1
because his family's love was contingent on helping them.
2 because he ended up meeting people who needed help and he tried to help them. because he's a good person.

i don't care what other people say, sam winchester is a hero.

>>87477641

Yes.

Fun fact: Castiel was supposed to die, but fans threw a bitchfit, so Anna was sacrificed instead.

I am still fucking salty about that. And goofy Castiel/Micha playing Lucifer didn't make suffering easier.

>>87483199
>S5's ending is weirdly grim compared to what comes before
yes but imagine how powerful it would have been. people would have been talking about for years, it would be up there with the ending of sopranos instead of the shit show it is now

>>87483666
I think that Leviathans being very powerful and smart, while using human power infrastructures was different and a very good concept.

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>>87482523
Ummm, no sweetie. The 200th episode was one of the best, most popular episodes of the entire series.

>>87483623
>I don't think it would be realistic that Dean would live with this.
It would not be in his character to kill himself over it. He could try to res sam but it should not work, in the end he chooses to live for the both of them.
>Still somehow very harsh that Sam is tortured by Lucifer to the end of the days.
yeah I think just being stuck there unharmed would have been enough.

>>87479854
oh man, you reminded me of season 7 (I think)

>the king of hell and an angel of the lord spend an entire SEASON trying to get into purgatory
>next season, a garden variety reaper takes sam in to rescue bobby through a "back door"

it's just... what the fuck?!

>>87483666
Nah, you have shit taste. also there are only so many times the brothers can be "outed" as mass murderers who scam credit companies and then just have it put back into the bottle

>>87483711
hero get results, just good intent is not worth shit

>>87482523
it was fun. I don't keep in touch with the fanbase so it was interesting to see some of it. Girl playing dean was fun too

>>87483879
good intent is worth everything. it's fucking everything.

>>87478868

>Was the latest season interesting

Sort of wasted.
-Rock star lucifer was quite scary, both effects wise and the actor (especially after Collins, ugh)
-British men of letters were sort of meh, turning into evil hogwarts in the end. Mr.Ketch is a wasted potential
-Antichrist is sort of bore
-Mom Winchester is sort of bore
-Set up for next season, with alt. universes and new type of demons seems interesting but I fucking bet they will resolve it in the next episode or sorts
-Finale itself has it's moments.

>>87480579
Lucifer > King of Hell > Princes of Hell > Knights of Hell >= White Eye Demons > King of The Crossroads > Crossroad Demons > Black Eye Demons

>>87483814
sir goodmen has been in many shows

>>87480579
Lilith -> Cain and Knights -> Princes -> Regular demons.

>>87483945
Its nothing. "Oh I know half the world is dead but I was trying to do the right thing" yep build him a statue in town square. we have anti heroes because heroic action is more important than the intent of the person doing it

>>87483842
Kys
Leviathans were great.

>>87484043
>we have anti heroes because heroic action is more important than the intent of the person doing it
no. we have anti heroes because of people like you. people who articulate what they think is important on a broader scale.

I love Sam Winchester.

>>87480284
First five seasons is kino.
Sixth-seven seasons are worse, but it's sort-of-tying loose end.
Eight season, imho, is where it should've ended perfectly.
Rest of seasons are fanfic tier
Last season was somewhat k.

The rule of thumb, for me, at least, is that if "The road so far" montage in the end of season is coherent and does good job explaining season (not the random collage of fight scenes with "ugh-ogh"s) the season is good.

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>>87476353
I stopped at the season with the riders arc
How could they continue after this? What could possibly be more dangerous than fucking Apocalypse?

can i get some love from my fellow sam fans?
i loved him in the early seasons, he really showed his vulnerability. anyone else reading love his character? no pressure. just curious.

>>87484215
>results
>broader scale
I tried not to fail the test and that is what counts- t. you

When does season 12 pick up?
If it does at all

>>87484400
The British
>>87484492
I liked him high on blood, it reminded me of spike

>>87483958
King of hell is not greater than knights of hell or prince of hell. Knights of hell are only surpassed by lucifer. They just went through that lore last season.

>>87480284
1-5:pure unfiltered kino
6: pretty comfy and some interesting stuff but doesn't seem to know how to properly continue the show
7: the weakest of the bunch but still watchable
8: an improvement but some missteps
9: the show is picking up steam again
10: and we're back
11+: pure unfiltered kino

>>87479589
as anyone pointed this to the writers, cause this is cruel

>>87482294
President didn't have time to torch himself.

>>87484492
They're both great. Dean's more "bad ass" so he's easier to warm to but Sam is just as lovable

>>87484525
...sorry?

i was complimenting you. i was saying you are articulate and have something worthwhile to discuss.

>>87484566
I liked him high on blood, it reminded me of spike
I know what you mean

>>87484652
totally agree. i love their dynamic.

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>>87484609
lies

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>>87476402
No, that fandom found better husbandos years ago and no longer watches this trash.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pug74tcWp8k
love sam, love what he does.

>>87483737

It was a good concept, aye, but realization of said concept was a bit lackluster. Not to mention that Dick Roman was sort of underwhelming for a big bad. Also the whole conspiracy part was kinda "eh".

>>87483842
>Nah, you have shit taste.

I, at least, HAVE taste. You, faggot, are just parroting shit others say. Even the guy who says about 2 season is more original than you, fucker.

>>87483149
Lisa and Ben were built up since season 3

>>87483343
Kali was the strongest deity in Hammer of the Gods

>>87483553
Crazy, dead, dead and (not even an arch) dead

>>87483666
Trials went nowhere just like tablets and Kevin

>>87483711
They both get away with shit

>>87483724
Anna was a good character

>>87483778
Fuck off. It's the worst

>>87483958
>>87484042
>>87484599
All wrong

>>87484609
Anything with metatron is shit. Season 9-10 had no direction, shat on lore (reapers are angels my ass), was repetitive and rehashed the plots of other seasons (civil wars in heaven and hell were done by season 6)

At least season 7 knew what they wanted to tell and the lore they were trying to set up and the direction they wanted to take

>>87485393
>Anna was a good character

That's why I am salty.
I really can't stand Collins. Especially after season 11.

Trials shoud've be good setup for a series finale. With sacrifice and shit, shutting up both Angels and Demons for good.

That being said, I sort of like Crowley's endgame this season. They should've done it earlier, though.

>>87485655
Agreed. Crowley was stale circa s9 but i liked his arc for s12

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4EG4LczODw

sam is the hero of supernatural.

I really hope crowley and castiel stay dead, however Rowenas death left a sour taste .

>>87486397
Never liked her arc but her self resurrection spell was smart. To see her die for good was well shocking

>>87486397
Crowley is confirmed dead for real. Cas is confirmed to be back.

>>87485513
Wrong how? Crowley was king of hell but was a pussy bitch when he met knights of hell. He was only king of hell because the one knight let him on the condition he wouldn't be bothered by crowley again.

>that time when Crowley had some of his humanity retored and it never came to anything
>that time when Crowley was like "fuck this gay shit" and went full darkmode and it never came to anything

What a wasted character

>>87476353
I will not be memed into watching season 11 and up

I'll always love this show

>>87476353
I dropped this around season 7. Do they ever go back to hunting monsters or is it still the angels and demons crap?

So I just watched the episode where Dean kills Hitler and that was pretty funny
The guy who acted as Hitler was pretty funny

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>>87489217
>I will not be memed into watching season 11 and u-

>>87476353
>these fags get like 1 million per episode
>hay guise we raised 100,000 dollars for hurricane relief!

what seasons are just driving around, killing monsters and bad ass music??

dont care about that hell demon prince god shite.

>>87476353
I stopped watching it after they beat satan and the creator left.

Someone spoonfeed me on whats gone on in since season 6.

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>>87476353
Things that pissed me off in this show
>Dean killed Death
>Third brother is still in the fucking cage
>Sam still does that autistic eyebrow thing
>Angels are reduced to fucking idiots
>Castiel is as useful as a lamp on the sun
>They end the newest season with a fucking gateway to another fucking dimension

And I still fucking watch it... How do I cure myself?

>>87490556
I'll try to do a quick rundown but I'll definitely forget a lot of things

>Sam was soulless, boring and edgy as fuck
>They fought Eve, the mother of all monsters, that part was partially alright and Dean also named some monsters The Jefferson Starships
>Then the fucking Leviathans came
>Ruined Lovecraft with his cameo
>They're not biblical monstrosities but corporate cunts in suit lead by a literal Dick
>Dean ends up in Purgatory (nice scenery)
>Brotherly fight
>The scribe of God who is apparently a redditor is the arch nemesis for the next 3 seasons or something like that idk
>Dean becomes a demon
>Doesn't last long enough, had potential
>Introduce the Mark of Cain, introduce Cain, pretty cool shit (they fucked up the chronology for the 17th time tho)
>If the mark is destroyed, all hell breaks loose
>Mark is destroyed
>All hell broke loose
>It was God's sister who's angry because she was locked in a cosmic closet
>They made up in the end and flew away in a Zen pattern
>Hogwarts was the newest enemy to join the battlefield
>Momma Winchester is alive (resurrected by God's sister)
>Fight Lucifer for the forty third time
>They cast him and momma to another fucking dimension
>Crowley dies (legit rip) and Castiel dies (he'll probably be resurrected too ugh)
>The Antichrist is born

Aaaaaand now we're waiting for Season 13!

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>>87490916
Jesus christ that sounds bad. Thanks for the summary.

Don't give a fuck about the plot, stopped watching during S6, but I have some urgent questions that need answering
Does Castiel finally get to fuck Dean?
Is that other brother of theirs still in Hell?
Do Sam and Dean keep dying and resurrecting in every season finale?

>>87492872
Destiel a shit

>>87490512
S1-2

>>87487603
And they did this along with Abaddon being set up as the new big bad. Shame

>>87487041
Princes/Lilith > Cain > Knights/Alastair > king of crossroads > black eyes > red eyes

King of hell is a title, not an actual power level

>>87493179
>destiel a shit
is that a no? wew I thought for sure they were going there

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>>87490697
There's no escape, mate. My and my bros gave up on this circa season 9 but now we're on board again following 11-12

>>87493461
>ywn be that bottle
it hurts brahs

That episode where Dean starts losing his memory was pretty good

>>87493563
I prefer to be Dean. Who doesnt want to be as badass as Dean? The fuck

>>87493652
but all I want is to fuck that badass, anon :(

You have to have sex with either Sam or Dean to avoid the apocalypse, which one do you choose?

>>87493388
Destiel needs to piss off forever. The fangirls already wished away too many female characters. The only ones they want are POC females, thick females, lesbians and mother figures

I want characters like Jo, Bela, Ruby, Meg and Anna back

I used to love watching this but I stopped watching after season 7/8. The show had run its course, and nothing seemed to have permanent consequences; especially death.

Couldn't finish season 3. Characters are poorly written and boring. Fells like nearly all monsters have to be ghosts, ghosts, ghosts. Drones on and on about what could've been done in half the time.
>B-but our dad
>B-but the demon that killed him
Who the fuck cares?

>>87493829
Actually (old) death is ironically permanently dead

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>>87493797
obviously :^)

>>87493863
>Not finishing season 3
>seven deadly sins first episode
>bad day at black rock aka rabbit's foot episode wit based bela
>ruby aka the first "good" demon they meet shows up
>lisa and ben braeden on The Kids Are Alright
W E W

>>87493797
Eiffel tower. Maybe their winning genes can somehow supernaturally boost me

>>87493819
Mate I don't know shit about all that, I just thought they were gonna fuck

>>87493652
If I could shape shift into a fictional character Dean might be the top of my list

>>87493797
Obviously Dean

>>87493941
None of that makes me want to watch any more. And it wont fix Sam being one of the most boring characters ever written.

Reminder that Season 5 was the true ending and Sam, Michael, Lucifer, and Adam are all still in the cage and Dean is dead. Castiel releasing him from Hell was just him bringing Dean to Heaven, and everything since Dean crawled out of the ground has been Dean living in his own personal Heaven where he's fighting monsters and demons and angels but none of it is real. It's literally just Dean's personal version of Heaven. Obviously Castiel is Dean's guardian angel and regularly checks up on Dean in his slice of Heaven and the times that Castiel is absent is when he's of doing other work in Heaven or Earth.

>>87494272
this, sam a shit

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>>87494276
I like this

>>87494224
Same, bruh.

>>87479906
Think they're both still in the cage, Michael apparently lost his mind so I'm assuming the human isn't in good shape.

I really liked Benny, wish he'd come back

>>87479311
The Leviathan's whole plan for turning the planet into a sedentary food supply was just audacious enough to redeem the season for me

>>87495110
is he still in purgatory?

>>87479906
They're both still in the cage and Lucifer said Michael's gone crazy so Adam is probably messed up too

>>87495193
Yeah he went back there because he didn't fit in on Earth

He was based, it was cool for Dean to have a friend who didn't whine as much as Sam does, it was sad to see him go

wait the show is still going?

they fucking defeated SATAN IN SEASON 5
WHO ELSE IS THERE TO DEFEAR CHUTULU??

As long as they keep pumping out episodes, I will continue to watch this shit.

>>87477960

Don't the female fans famously hate any regular female characters in the Supernaturalverse?

Would they actually watch that?

>>87495439
Nah they hate female characters that form romantic relationships with male cast.

>>87480530
Sams psychic powers was just dumb imo, at least how they handled it.
>All the other kids have powers that they can practice using until they have full control over them, no need for any crutches
>Sam uses his powers once or twice without a crutch
>BUT NOW TO USE HIS POWERS HE NEEDS TO DRINK DEMON BLOOD, ISN'T THAT CUHRAZY?!?
No one else needed demon blood to even access their powers, why did was Sam reliant on it?

>>87494276
Shiettt

>>87478848
Could have been good if the dragons weren't just normal looking guys who could melt stuff

>>87495282
At this point everything just feels like a re-tread
I mean what the fuck are they gonna do, uh there's this evil no one mentioned before that God did some shit with, oh yeah now you killed the Leviathans, here's actually even more primordial DARKNESS to kill, oh she fucked off to her home planet with God, now fix the fucking antichrist.
What the fuck is going to come next, silly antichrist shenanigans?

>>87496694
A crossover episode with Scooby Doo.

>>87496755
Still waiting for a French Mistake sequel crossing over with other CW shows

>>87495282
Chthulu was actually a leviathan apparently

>>87496361
The dragons' real form were shown briefly though. Budget related limitations

>>87495897
None of those kids could exorcise or kill demons. Those were just their innate ability

>>87496694
>>87496755
>>87497179
Buffy cameo when???????

>>87490916
>they foughy eve the mother of demons
Is it the same eve from Adam and eve. If it isn't that'd be an intresting plot. Interacting with the women who started human suffering and the original sin and all. And the best thing is no hookups since it would be incest

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>>87496755
I'm so hype for that.

This show suffers from one thing. Listening to its fan base. Anytime a creator actively gets involved with its viewers it turns to shit.

>>87498802
No. Eve mother of all is something else entirely

>>87476353
How does this show have such a high imdb score?

>>87499575
Talent

>>87479881
I'm frequently disappointed with depictions of angels. There are no black or female angels in any European or Christian lore. Angels should always be white, male, powerful and beautiful, but it's rare to tick even half those boxes in most media. "Diversity" does not improve quality, it just makes the whole thing look like it was written by a bunch of latte sipping student plebs.

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Amara season is one of my fucking favourites, come at me. I rate it lower than S5 which is unbeatable, but still.

>All of heaven smites Amara
>When all is lost and the God's pendant starts shining
>God and Metatron talking it out
in pocket dimension
>Literally everyone ganging up on Amara and God is mortally wounded anyways

Fucking goosebumps. I do agree with other posters angels are grunt-demon tier now, it sucks.

>>87498859
Best girl

>>87495897
No he drank demon blood to amplify his powers. Also Ruby was assigned to Sam to help him along with developing his powers.

>>87501382
Except without the demon blood he no longer has any powers

>>87501610
There was something about him losing the powers I think, maybe it had to do with him being stabbed in the back? Can't remember and doesn't really matter because the show doesn't have the best continuity.

>>87501792
He lost his powers when the apocalypse got averted

>>87502166
There is always some sort of apocalypse, was this when they defeated lilith? I don't remember man, so much shit has happened since then. Or are you talking about season 5? Because I thought this poster was taking about season 4 while SAM was drinking heaps of demon blood.>>87501610

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>it's still comfy as fuck
Stay mad haters

>>87503097
It's still my go to show.

>>87502326
Only one event was technically called the apocalypse, which was season 5.

Season 2 was just devil's gate opening, 4 was just Lucifer being set free. An alternate future apocalypse was briefly shown in 4 but it's the same "apocalypse"

Unlike Buffy, Supernatural only ever had one true apocalypse since Supernatural had limited key players/primal forces that are strong enough to kickstart an "apocalypse"

>>87503097
>comfy
This is the only reason I can think of to still watch Supernatural. The plots have gone beyond the realm of stupid a long time ago. The bloated, rotting corpse that is the series' lore is riddled with holes after being rigorously fucked by the writing staff post season 5.

But there's something comforting about the show still being alive long after it stopped being good. Like an old friend you know is still there for you even though they are going through rough times.

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Jensen Ackles is the only good thing left on this show. He has actual acting chops and this shit is holding him back. Can you believe he turned down the role for Starlord due to being in the SPN contract? Shit is crazy. At least he's breaking out into film again, kind of.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt7070818/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_1

>>87503351
>holding him back

Doesn't he love working on the show though? I can't see him ever walking away until it is finally cancelled.

>>87503351
I thought he turned down the role for Captain America.

Then again if you look at their twitters and instagram pages, filming supernatural seems to be super fun being around their friends all the time, playing pranks on each other and, and they get to be with their families a lot, instead of being stuck in hollywood.

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>>87503293
it's still good. i really like how they always have a consistent number of standalone great episodes every year. and who doesn't love a good motw episode?

>>87503479
what happened to the bunker? Did the English MOL blow it up or something?

>>87503351
>That cast

This has a direct-to-DVD feel to it.

>>87481462
Castiel is just around for his fangirls who cream themselves over the idea of him fucking Dean. Even though Jensen Ackles despises the pairing and has said time and time again that it will never be canon.

>>87503293
>>87503479
The reason why i was drawn back to it is because i visited my best friend whom i havent seen for 5 years and we watched season 12 together. And we gave up on this around season 9-10. Dude has a god complex like castiel and i want to be as boss as dean for the longest time. Our other best friend identifies with sam. Supercomfy/10