Original series: Great, original ideas and magnificent implementation.

I can't get over how drab and ugly the limited series looked. Especially compared to the original show. It worked (kind of) for Inland Empire but not for Twin Peaks.

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>Original series: the giant and dwarf are put on the same level of importance
>FWWM/The Return: the giant watches over the universe while the dwarf is just MIKE's arm
Whoops!

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Great arguments OP, can you now kys yourself?

>>87417608
Do I have to explain what ideas and implementation are? Have you heard of acting and writing?

>>87417675
>no argument

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>>87417675
Original series: Shit, unoriginal ideas and shit implementation.
The Return: Great, original ideas and magnificent implementation.

What now?

>>87417457
JUST BUY FROST'S NEW BOOK GOY

>>87417178
>The Return: Shit, unoriginal ideas and shit implementation.
just because you didn't get a happy ending where Coop lifts a cup of coffee, says "that was a damn good mystery" and the supporting characters cheer doesn't mean it was shit

>>87417703
Now you're wrong.

>>87417745
No u

>>87417457
Have you even read The Secret History of Twin Peaks?

>>87417744
Yeah cause that's totally what the original series consisted of. I hate Lynch sycophants.

>>87417178
pleb alert

Original series: classic
The Return: pleb proof, infuriates brainlets

Original series: BOB is heavily associated with owls.
The Return: BOB takes the form of a ball and the owl symbolism is completely forgotten about.

>>87417816
>I hate Lynch sycophants
I'm honestly not one. I have some issues with season 3, but I wouldn't go so far as to say it's shit because it's simply not.

>>87417922
Basically.

>>87417922
Nice
>>87417958
This as a little dissapointing though, I just really enjoy the visual symbolism. Was there anything Owl related in the Return? I don't remember right now.

>>87417958
Yeah, naturalist mysticism in general was completely wiped of the map in s3.

>>87417457
Mad manlet detected.

>>87417178
Original series: Amazing, but is slightly damaged when the network heads force Lynch to turn off the pleb filters.
The Return: Max kino, filters on full gear.

original series: boring soap opera by mark frost but Lynch does some interesting tonal stuff and puts in a good scene or two in every episode while hes actually working on it

the return: fantastic surreal journey with occasional shit bits where Lynch let Frost write something non-humorous

>>87418041
That's probably intentional, given that the lodge spirits travel through electricity and s3 was stuffed with high tech wizardry (quite literally in bad cooper's case). The naturalist evil ain't the problem anymore

>>87418015
Dougie!Coop sees an owl fly over his house when he first arrives. Later in that same episode and when he electrocutes himself in Part 15, we see an owl cookie jar in the Jones's kitchen. All very minor shots that could've been shot late in production after someone said to David and Mark
>Hey what about all that owl stuff?
because they were too lazy to rewatch the original series.

>>87418144
This is how you know someone knows absolutely nothing about film.

>>87418073
Keep telling yourself that. You were literally memed into believing that by both the retarded fanbase and Lynch himself.

>>87418263
um its a tv show IDIOT get LYNCHED

>>87418188
>lodge spirits travel through electricity
How do you defend this idea of the worst kind?

>>87418303
>TV shows are neither part of film history nor are bound to the same basic rules films are

>>87418041
the hawk plotline had it, and the spirits still had a strong connection to the woods in s3

>>87418304
>electrical hums and noises associated with the presence of lodge magic
>lodge spirits like saying "E-LEC-TRI-CITY" a lot
>coop literally gets squeezed through a plug socket in order to return into the real world
I have evidence, where's yours to prove otherwise?

>>87418366
nice try to cover your ass we all saw that mistake no digging out now LYNCHED

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>>87417734
>>87417786
Fuck off.

>>87418390
not to mention BOB cooper staring in terror at the open jack in his car while trying not to get sucked back into the lodge

>>87418390
I didn't mean your idea you literal brainlet. Also:

>lodge spirits like saying "E-LEC-TRI-CITY" a lot
How do you defend this idea of the worst kind?

>>87418446
Those parts are literally cringe tier.

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>>87417330
>the return
>not colorful and lively

>>87418513
>brainlet
>not cherrypicking
>not recognizing simplistic production design

>>87418263
LYNCHED

People defending season 3 have never seen a european movie or other surrealist films.

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>>87418495
Hurrr durr teh cringe xp
>>87418558
It's not cherry picking. The productiom design is legitimately spectacular.

>>87418446
>greentexted and literally responded critically to my idea that lodge spirits travel through electricity
>"no I didn't shut up idiot"
Are you handicapped? Nowhere in the show do they state explicitly that the spirits have anything to do with electricity, its an inference we as the audience have to make. That's OUR idea and not the creators. It's not a bad idea of the show itself if it isn't even mentioned.

>>87418513
yeah, thanks for proving my point. compare any of these with OP's pic

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>>87418687
What would you call this then, if I may ask?

>>87418558
>simplistic = bad
nice meme. I bet you think drive has god-tier production because "muh trendy neon lights!"

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>>87417178
Hahaha
LYNCHED
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>>87418705
I didn't respond to your idea. I'm talking about how travelling through electricity is a fucking awful idea. How often do you want to deliberately misinterpret what I said?

>>87418775
The opposite is the case. I hate that movie almost as much as I hate The Fall and the complete mess that is Twin Peaks: The Return. Mainly because of the autistic fanbase failing to see their obvious flaws.

>>87418834
>traveling through electricity is a bad idea, yet muh spooky owls is a good idea
The owls were the dumbest part of the fucking original show. At least electricity has a sense of danger to it since you can literally die from it.

>>87418725
What is this from?

>>87418869
>Mainly because of the autistic fanbase failing to see their obvious flaws.
translated to
>STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE REE!

>>87418890
And your battlestation is the epitome of tasteful interior design.

>>87418911
Image search is your friend

>>87418958
B T F O
T
F
O

>>87418958
I'm not even the one who was arguing with you about how the series looked, you retard

>>87419167
What makes you believe I'm not specifically addressing your shit taste?

>>87418412
This should really just be labelled "Virgin Frost and "Chad Lynch".

>Normalfags hate episode 18 because they want to be spoonfed the answers and not have to think about them at all.
This is literally the only argument those plebeians seem to have. They are so intelligent for understanding their oh so complex show. There is absolutely no substance. There are no original or even good ideas. Most of the actors are bad. Etc.

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Episode Eight of the Return is better than Episode Three of Season One, possibly better even then all of Seasons 1 & 2.

>>87419452
"Episode Eight" is literal bullshit. See rest of thread.

>The Return
>Unoriginal
Out of all the things you could have criticised it for why chose something that is so clearly false

>>87419233
>telling me I have shit taste when they're defending nickelodeon-tier bullshit like spooky owls
I really don't care what you have to say to me at this point, because you have the brain of a 6 year old. You probably still think Goosebumps & Are You Afraid of the Dark are still scary.

If there's one thing you can't say about The Return, it's that it was unoriginal

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>no set design, feels empty and lifeless
>no interesting ideas for storylines and generally bad writing
>relies on gimmicks only instead
>those are unoriginal or just bad, unfortunately ("fuck you, albert", glove, andy and lucy, coordinates, riddles, ...)
>bad acting (Bell, Lynch, Horse, Robertson, Dern, ...)
>dull characters (one-dimensional at best)
>storylines and characters are introduced for no purpose
>everything is supposed to weirdly connect and make sense
>shot in digital in a way that doesn't compensate for the technology's disadvantages (looks bad)
>roadhouse scenes (out of place, badly shot, the songs, the bands, the extras, ...)
>student-tier storytelling/editing (characters are shown walking up complete sets of stairs)
>stretched out needlessly, long takes have no particular effect
>everything above is literally cringe-tier in concept and implementation
>obviously delusional and/or inexperienced fanbase perceiving it as particularly meaningful, complex or "deep"
>can't compare to the original series that doesn't have those problems (coherent/complex and beautiful sets, costumes and make-up/well shot/well acted/well written/magnificent multi-dimensional characters and character relations, music, storylines and gimmicks/creates a unique athmosphere as a result, changing the world of television forever whereas "the return" neither manages to do something established really good nor to invent something new)
>somehow the best thing in tv history
Lynch sycophants btfo eternally, this will forever be known as a shit stain, compared to the brilliant original series(Frost + ABC).

>>87419540
Brainlet. Watch more film.

>>87419452
S3E8 is definitely the best of the series, and Dougie scenes are better than half the original series subplots, but overall I still like S1 the best, followed by all the FWWM scenes that aren't in Twin Peaks.

>>87419511
You are actually fucking retarded. It is a miracle you can even form words to communicate with me.

>>87419582
Good job posting my original pasta from before it got fucked up.

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>>87419542

>>87419669
damn i'd join the rapture with her if you know what I meme hehe

>>87417330
he was trying to make it look like a modern show like breaking bad or mad men. Just like the original was supposed to look like a soap opera, only had like 6 musical cues etc.

>>87417786
nice try, neither are mentioned in the book. i've read it twice loser

>>87419994
>reading this shit twice
>not being the loser

>>87419595
>best of the series
>the entire thing looks like a 10$ flash animation some high school drop out did in a half an hour for a six pack of bud lights
>unironically asking for emmys for a 5 minute scene of a retard eating a cake
>the absolute state of /tv/
get some taste you pitiful faggots, you will literally eat any form of shit this hack throws at you

>>87420084
This probably won't change until there are some actually professional reviews.

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hey here's something kind of groundbreaking:
they're both good for very different reasons

Overall the original series is better but the return managed to evoke a sense of horror and uneasiness with its finale that no other show has managed. Been thinking about that last scene for days.

>>87420843
Why?

>>87418015
>Was there anything Owl related in the Return? I don't remember right now.
The limo driver is spooked by an owl in front of Dougie's house.

>>87420084
To be fair it wasn't a flash animation (exploison, frog)

>>87420878
Honestly not articulate enough to be able to explain shy but it just did. Just the way everything felt subtly off the entire last episode. The moment when she screamed and the lights went off I found terrifying.

>>87420916
Point is: it looks awful, like the general aesthetic of the return, it just looks cheap as hell, awful digital effects (the dead bodies, the lodge effects, bob's head, jesus christ) combined with awful practical effects (the office assassination) combined with awful artistic design that feels soulless and empty, weird for no other reason than being weird, the character assassination of the lodge spirits/mythos, i can go on and on and on.

>>87421088
Please do. This show lacks reviews.

>>87420084
How did any of episode 8 look like a flash animation you mong. If you're referring to the red room scenes where the tulpas were returned, those effects were obviously the way they were on purpose. You could make much better effects these days with after effects so lynch was obviously going for a certain aesthetic.

>>87421210
Do you even question if it was a good idea to "for a certain aesthetic"? Do you even question any of Lynch's decisions?

>>87421288
I'm so fucking bored of everything that anything new or slightly different is novel to me at this point. GoT had decent special effects but it was all so obvious that I just wanted to kms while watching.

>>87418373

That's kinda nonsensical since those lodge portals are now opening wherever needed.

Literally every other house and grove have a lodge portal now and spirits no longer follow any particular rules, they just manifest wherever.

>>87417958
seems like the owls were not what they seemed :^)

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>>87421367
So you're the average /tv/ contrarian hipster faggot who rejects everything good because it's popular and thinks that if something is weird/not the norm it automatically makes it good, got it.

>>87421572
Awesome pepe. Correct opinion.

>>87421572
Could be dude. I'm just trying to get that next high know what I'm sayin?

So what was it like when you realized Lynch has no interest in worldbuilding or explaining jack shit beyond the feel of being in an exceptionally disturbing dream, and if you want any of the answers that this thread complains about you need to go to Frost,
whose books /tpg/ hates for no reason?

What is going on with arms / legs going numb or not working?
What is going on with the diseased / infected?
When and why was there the glass box being observed?

>>87422357
?!

Good thread.

>>87422299
No, what you said is true but that's what makes it great. People love Twin Peaks for the drug fueled Lynch visuals not the Frost GoT type "lore" nerd faggotry.

>no set design, feels empty and lifeless
>no interesting ideas for storylines and generally bad writing
>relies on gimmicks only instead
>those are unoriginal or just bad, unfortunately ("fuck you, albert", glove, andy and lucy, coordinates, riddles, ...)
>bad acting (Bell, Lynch, Horse, Robertson, Dern, ...)
>dull characters (one-dimensional at best)
>storylines and characters are introduced for no purpose
>everything is supposed to weirdly connect and make sense
>shot in digital in a way that doesn't compensate for the technology's disadvantages (looks bad)
>roadhouse scenes (out of place, badly shot, the songs, the bands, the extras, ...)
>student-tier storytelling/editing (characters are shown walking up complete sets of stairs)
>stretched out needlessly, long takes have no particular effect
>everything above is literally cringe-tier in concept and implementation
>obviously delusional and/or inexperienced fanbase perceiving it as particularly meaningful, complex or "deep"
>can't compare to the original series that doesn't have those problems (coherent/complex and beautiful sets, costumes and make-up/well shot/well acted/well written/magnificent multi-dimensional characters and character relations, music, storylines and gimmicks/creates a unique athmosphere as a result, changing the world of television forever whereas "the return" neither manages to do something established really good nor to invent something new)
>somehow the best thing in tv history

>GenPLEB whines it doesnt underdtand art created for their parents

yeah i remember complaining how 30 Something didnt have any relevant youth plotlines the whole time it was on too.

fucking top yourselves. your hopeless.
you wont survive amerika going to tital shit anyways..

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>>87424244
Yer Mommy still fucks black gais son.

>>87424380
kys

I'm not sure how you can say that the return is unoriginal...

>>87424748
Time travel? Superhuman strength from a glove?

>>87424806
What's wrong with that?

>>87424806
>using common tropes even if creatively and ironically is still unoriginal

SO I HAD A DREAM ALBERT
IT HAD MONICA BELLUCCI AND SHE WAS TELLING ME WE'RE ALL LIVING IN A DREAM
CRAZY DREAM, RIGHT ALBERT?

ALBERT?

>>87424806

Are you dumb

>>87425023
omg

>>87417178
>He liked season 2

>>87425338
>He's a plebeian.
Contrary to the mess that is season 3, season 2 lacked only writing and still had acting, directing, production design etc.

>>87425023
that's deep bro

>>87425386
Yes, it had all the components of a tv show.

>>87417178
Original series: shit
The Return: complete garbage

>>87418041
Didn't we see the monkey from FWWM?

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twin peaks season 4 stars gordon cole stuck in a virtual world
the preview is fucking weird
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjxZiRkCrpM

The new Twin Peaks is literally on the same level as Rick and Morty. Faggots thinking they're smart for liking it and not realizing everyone on Reddit and Twitter does exactly the same.

>>87427128
Never EVERcompare Rick and Morty to the absolute genius that is David Lynch again. Just go on reddit or twitter. You bviously have to have a certain IQ to appreciate TP:TR

>>87417457
too bad lynch could not see past the arms politics to recast him

>>87427507
I hope you're not serious.

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>>87418495
The mouth would like to speak with you

>>87417178
>PD: Thanks for the gold stranger xD.
>PD2: Wow RIP my inbox exdee

Original series: Quirky show with original ideas, implemented through parody that went through most people's heads, but was easy enough to follow thanks to the main plot centering around a very basic murder mystery plot.
The Return: A challenging art house movie as an 18 hour long TV show that's not accessible for everybody because there's no easy to follow and understand main plot moving the story forward in each episode.

Honestly the return felt like it served to show the passage of time, more than anything. It gave us random snippets into the world, subtle humour and parody of the original show, and the ending showed how obsession ruins lives.

Anyone whinging about the thin plot or the "dream" explanation is missing the point.

>>87428363
>I have neither seen a single european film nor do I know basic television history, at least I'll sound smart by saying "art house"

I wonder if people would be less mad had they not brought most of the original cast back, or they made it clear they were not going to be the focus in the promotion.

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>>87428528
The promotions they did for stuff like TV guide were stupid as fuck, they made it look like it was going to be some dumb soap opera romance trash with older actors.

The promo videos were spot on though. They show random, brief snapshots into a world that has obviously changed, and the occasional glimpse of something harsh and surreal. They reflected the tone of the show perfectly.

>>87428666
>the world has changed morty BUUUUUURP it's avant-garde now BUUURRRRP

>>87417178
stfu

>>87417457

The dwarf was overused in the original run. Him popping up when Josie "died", and BOB showing up to verbally taunt Cooper (by name), are forced and out of character, obviously shoved in by the writer/director because "dude it's Twin Peaks!".

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>reddit hates this show dude

>>87417958
>FWWM shows lodge spirits can travel through either electricity or animal life
>one is much more common, unnoticeable, and in heavily populated areas than the other
>especially in 2017

Not hard to figure out.

>>87419643
Not that guy, but how can you prove it is yours, anon?

>>87429659
Why should I want to prove that (I can't)? Just acknowledging his post.

>>87429514
true but irrelevant

>>87419669
oh my god

>>87419669
I have her on snapchat now as well haha

who are you?

>>87417178
Lynched

>>87417922
This. The only reason someone wouldn't like the return is because they are too stupid. The return is a high IQ show. The original was for normies.

>>87430999
pahhahah

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Let's settle this once and for all!

http://www.strawpoll.me/13879099

>>87432554
>democracy
>settling anything
no

Lynch fucked up big time by not making Jade a main character.

>>87418911
Did you ask this yesterday?

>>87434096
No. why?

>>87434121
Someone else did verbatim

>>87419958
except mad men was actually shot in a comfy film like way

>>87423671
This is so off base. Maybe YOU only like it for the visuals. Plenty of other people like it for the characters as well, for example. The strength of the writing of Twin Peaks has always been one of its main components, even if there are plenty of moments that don't live up to its lofty heights.

It's like people forget that some of the best dialog in the original+Return were Frost creations. Major Briggs' vision, a monologue everyone reposts in that general, was completely written by Frost, but shot/staged by Lynch. Can you imagine that scene being as powerful if were not shot/edited in such a way? Or if instead of that flowery description of Briggs and his son, we had a more Lynchian mumble-non-sequitir dialog?

The best of Twin Peaks is always when you have both wildly different personalities and styles mixing and complementing each other, like Hastings' tearful confession in the prison, or the scenes with the Mitchum brothers.

The Frost hate of the show is the most hipster fucking thing on this board, like what college kids do to signal they have "taste" when they really don't know what they're talking about.

This doesn't mean you have to like every contribution. I think S2 is perfect evidence that Frost by himself can make for some lame material, just like Lynch by himself tends to fall on his more indulgent subjects (like people standing around awkwardly doing nothing). But both of them together ARE Twin Peaks, and no amount of shitposting is going to convince me otherwise.