/tpg/ - Twin Peaks General

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>no set design, feels empty and lifeless
>no interesting ideas for storylines and generally bad writing
>relies on gimmicks only instead
>those are unoriginal or just bad, unfortunately ("fuck you, albert", glove, andy and lucy, coordinates, riddles, ...)
>bad acting (Bell, Lynch, Horse, Robertson, Dern, ...)
>dull characters (one-dimensional at best)
>storylines and characters are introduced for no purpose
>everything is supposed to weirdly connect and make sense
>shot in digital in a way that doesn't compensate for the technology's disadvantages (looks bad)
>roadhouse scenes (out of place, badly shot, the songs, the bands, the extras, ...)
>student-tier storytelling/editing (characters are shown walking up complete sets of stairs)
>stretched out needlessly, long takes have no particular effect
>obviously delusional and/or inexperienced fanbase perceiving it as particularly meaningful, complex or "deep"
>can't compare to the original series that doesn't have those problems (coherent/complex and beautiful sets, costumes and make-up/well shot/well acted/well written/magnificent multi-dimensional characters and character relations, music, storylines and gimmicks/creates a unique athmosphere as a result, changing the world of television forever whereas "the return" neither manages to do something established really good nor to invent something new)
>extended pitch black scenes because of a lack of a competent cinematographer
>audio issues with microphone static left unaddressed because of poor sound design
>extremely poor editing with magically disappearing extras and production staff accidentally walking into frame
>somehow the best thing in tv history

>>87378419
That poll is insulting.

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>>87378450
>no set design, feels empty and lifeless
>no interesting ideas for storylines and generally bad writing
>relies on gimmicks only instead
>those are unoriginal or just bad, unfortunately ("fuck you, albert", glove, andy and lucy, coordinates, riddles, ...)
>bad acting (Bell, Lynch, Horse, Robertson, Dern, ...)
>dull characters (one-dimensional at best)
>storylines and characters are introduced for no purpose
>everything is supposed to weirdly connect and make sense
>shot in digital in a way that doesn't compensate for the technology's disadvantages (looks bad)
>roadhouse scenes (out of place, badly shot, the songs, the bands, the extras, ...)
>student-tier storytelling/editing (characters are shown walking up complete sets of stairs)
>stretched out needlessly, long takes have no particular effect
>obviously delusional and/or inexperienced fanbase perceiving it as particularly meaningful, complex or "deep"
>can't compare to the original series that doesn't have those problems (coherent/complex and beautiful sets, costumes and make-up/well shot/well acted/well written/magnificent multi-dimensional characters and character relations, music, storylines and gimmicks/creates a unique athmosphere as a result, changing the world of television forever whereas "the return" neither manages to do something established really good nor to invent something new)
>extended pitch black scenes because of a lack of a competent cinematographer
>audio issues with microphone static left unaddressed because of poor sound design
>extremely poor editing with magically disappearing extras and production staff accidentally walking into frame
>somehow the best thing in tv history

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friendly reminder that doppelcoop did nothing wrong and Cooper was the real fuck-up the entire time

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sheryl a cute

Based Showtime.

>Judy is positive about this
>Do you have a Miss Judy staying here by any chance?
>This is for you. La seniorita... the young lady, she left it for you

>Before he disappeared, Major Briggs shared with me and Cooper his discovery of an entity. An extreme negative force called in olden times 'Jowday'. Over time, it's become 'Judy'.

How Frosted were you?

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I would genuinely be curious how much freedom Lynch was given. I feel like maybe he was given a tad too much. The show might have benefited from some execs pushing for a slightly less disjointed and unfocused narrative.

The Return is to Lynch what the Star Wars Prequels were to Lucas.

>american time
>shitty memes spammed
>shitposting galore
>anime obsession
the fuck is wrong with you people

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>>87378478

lol copypasta flooooood

>>87378470
I prefer these eyes to the original series ones, these look more spooky

>>87378497
Who is the Jar Jar Binks of TP The Return?

>>87378497
it's metal machine music

>>87378497
So true! We want Mark Frost back! He should have written the ending and kept that weirdo, pseud Lynch out of it. Mark Frost is an underappreciated genius!

Was that richard and linda fucking, or cooper and diane?
Why did cooper wake up in a different motel if he had already changed dimensions?

>>87378497
I think the creative freedom he had was fine. What should have been the limiting factor is the number of episodes, it should have been 8-10 instead.

>>87378542

Dougie

>>87378497
Bootlicker

>>87378544
ahahaha
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>>87378517
So pin = Richard?

So the first scene with the Fireman was RICHARD this whole time?

Is Richard the REAL Coop? Is Coop a dream manifestation of Richard?

>>87378450
Doesn't get any truer.

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>>87378560
I foresaw it coming

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>>87378542
-both talks Funny.
-both shoe-horned in
-both are a total mary sue despite being lame

>>87378557
We would have gotten the sci-fi time-travel series we really wanted. Fucking Lynch.

>>87378557
they wrote everything together, you pseud

>>87378470
So was Doppelcoop wearing all black contacts to cover his milky doppelganger eyes or something?

>>87378577
no

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>>87378632
Yawn

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>Cooper and Carrie Page are in 2017 (multiple confirmation from screenshots, such as gas prices, town population)
>Carrie is a completely different person who has lived a completely different life
>Audrey is in a coma. Every Audrey scene takes place inside her own mind. She never left the coma after the bank explosion
>Annie was murdered by Dopplecoop after he raped comatose Audrey and burned down Briggs office
>Sarah Palmer is possessed by Jow-Daeh, she always has been since she was a child
>The girl in episode eight is young Sarah Palmer
>The two people driving the car at night are Richard and Linda, not Dale and Diane
>When Linda sees the vision of Diane at the motel that is Diane and Coop starting to enter their world. After this Richard and Linda have sex, then Coop wakes up in the other hotel
>Jow-Daeh stabs the picture in fury because Cooper helped Laura escape her death, she cannot even harm the image
>Cooper travels to the lodge, then to the real world 1988, then back to the lodge to rescue the real Diane, then to the new reality that rescuing Laura created
>Mike was never good, and the lodge spirits have always been advancing their own plans involving Laura, not helping Cooper
>Carrie screams at the end because she is experiencing memories crossing over from Laura's reality

>>87378621
You're not using "Mary Sue" properly. You're just using it as a buzzword.

>>87378456
Eh, they're fun and there's some great redone action scenes like Rei shielding Shinji from Ramiel and her suicide charge against Zeruel

>>87378620
then we all saw Linda coming :-)

>>87378450
B T F O
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Post this as a review on imdb.

>>87378649
Clearly Frost should have had more input and roped Lynch's craziness and misunderstanding of what Twin Peaks is about in.

>>87378670
Really? Did Freddie somehow actually earn his super powers?

>>87378679
High five

>>87378467
The whole thing was good, but honestly the driving and overall slowness of the second episode gets to me. It's good at instilling a sense of dread but shit like Evil Coop being at the sheriff's station and the awesome shift of FWWM makes it better in my book.

>>87378651
doppelgangers don't have the milky eyes outside of the Lodge. Originally he didn't even have the black eyes, remember Coop right after he woke up had normal eyes. It's only for the Return that they changed it up a bit and had him have black eyes. iirc Kyle suggested that since it's visually very striking.

>>87378707
No, and it's never said that he needed to. The Fireman gave it to that random guy to further his own goals.

Lynch literally used his ideas for Star Wars in this.

Literally.

>>87378707
He perfected his accents.

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>>87378497
>I would genuinely be curious how much freedom Lynch was given

Complete. It was a condition of his return that he be given completely control and final cut. That's why initially they refused to have him in the project and he got the fans and actors to rebel until they caved.

>>87378707
In what way does his hulk glove make him an instance of creator wish fulfilment?

>>87378621
>POWER GET THE POWER
>GIRIGIRI GENKAI MADE

>>87378450
Ahahahahaha... look its trying to think

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>>87378676
Rebuilds are shit, kys. Anno only made them to fuck with retarded immature otakus by showing them how bad Evangelion would be if you throw in all the standard embarrassing anime tropes.

>>87378744
he didn't even get past the interview with George for SW

Was it stated in the original series (S1&2) that Laura's Diary had missing pages?

>>87378560
They were between the real world and the other dimension when they went to that motel. Sort of like the Black Lodge, but it was an area that the spirits didn't have access/control over. Cooper and Diane fucking triggered her trauma, which allowed access to the Carrie Page dimension.

Diane and Cooper became Richard and Linda in that universe. Not literally, but those were their identities.

>>87378560

It was Richard and Linda. Once you understand this that whole sequence makes a lot more sense.

It's Linda that sees a vision of Diane as Diane and Coop try to enter their world. Not Diane seeing a vision of Linda.

>>87378597
I think pin=Coop in the lodge

he's either dreaming or projecting himself into TP where he doesn't have the pin. When his face disappears from screen, and he goes to open the Grand Northern door, he has the pin.

>>87378772
Now who doesn't know what a mary sue is...

Self-insertion and mary sues are different things, retard.

>>87378795

Yes. It was part of the plot.

>>87378786
OKAY GEORGE LISTEN

WHAT ABOUT LUKE TRAVELLING BACK IN THE TIME AND KILLING DARTH VADER BUT THEN HE STOPS EXISTING AND FLOATS IN THE SPACE FOREVER

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Do we have any idea as to the Fireman's motivations? I assume that the opening scene of the series (430, Richard and Linda etc) takes place after Cooper goes back in time to save Laura. But in that case why would the Fireman send Coop to Judy's alt universe?

>>87378846

How did the pages went missing?

>>87378834
not all self-inserts are Mary Sues but all Mary Sues are self inserts, it was literally named after girls inserting themselves into Star Trek fanfic

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Well, who told you I was going to see Chip?

>>87378882


Do you even pay attention?

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>>87378785
Worth it for the yuri

>>87378574
FACES OF STONE

>>87378834
Holy fuck. No, a mary sue is a power fantasy inserted as a creator avatar. Know the origins of terms before you start enforcing their definitions.

>>87378882
Laura hid them because of some weirdo Douglas Jones who is obsessed by her

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>start watching some of EoE and almost start crying
TP can never reach this level of kino ;_;

>>87378905
Well... I mean sure. Still doesn't make the rebuilds good or worth watching.

>>87378783
Why don't you try to defend your show?

>>87378468
who was that guy/ the other people in the cells?

>>87378865
Coop decides to do it after meeting Jeffries, The Arm and Leland, who shows up again to give him another fetch quest (find Laura)

so I guess she's still key to something, but what that is we'll never know for another 25 years

>>87378865
Firemen put out fires.
The Fireman attempts to stop and undo the pain and suffering caused by the Black Lodge in their resident spirits' search for garmonbozia.

From Coop came Mr. C. From Coop and Mr. C came "Richard Coop," who came from two, not just one. He is "a level above" or "aligned" with the magic that created Mr. C from Coop. Being a more advanced entity, Richard Coop enters a more advanced plane, or world, or dream. Thinking that "Richard Coop" is the original Coop all along is wrong.

>>87378958

Wasting energy "proving" shitposters wrong.

Lul.

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Hyggelig a mote dem. Jeg Heter Laura Palmer.

>>87378944
I liked it when he busted a nut on the coma girl :-)

>>87378450
this x 1000

>>87378783
>implying he's entirely wrong.

Rate Lynch films you've seen

Mulholland Drive > Blue Velvet > FWWM > Lost Highway

>>87378882

She had two diaries. One she left out in the open and looked like a normal teenage girls diary. The other was her hidden diary where she wrote about getting raped by BOB/Leland since she was a child, her drug abuse, her multiple boyfriends, drinking, and terrifying visions.

One day she goes to get her secret diary from it's hiding spot and finds all the pages that mention BOB/Leland are ripped out, so it's assumed he found it and ripped them out. Later on Leland puts them inside the bathroom door in the sheriff office because he was afraid of the cops finding them when he was in custody.

>>87378834
The green glove is just a plot device to further the plot. It's not supposed to tell you anything about the creators of the show at all.

But seriously what's up with Cooper's pin it has to mean something.

>>87379053
Elephant Man > Blue Velvet > Fire Walk With Me > Lost Highway > Dune

>>87379053
see Inland Empire you utter nupleb

>>87379036
becaus he is? fucking brainlets i swear

>>87378865
>why would the Fireman send Coop to Judy's alt universe

He didn't. Mike did.

>>87379081
This isn't the lodge, you don't need to speak backwards

Are we all in agreement that the point of the Audrey scenes was to show that she was in the lodge and stuck in Judy's alternate reality that Coop ends up in? I feel like The Arm telling Coop about the story of the little girl on the hill was suppose to signify that.

>fans don't like your show
>replace them with trees

>>87379071
wrong. he got the glove by following his intuition, or dream. that's a central and recurring theme to Twin Peaks: receiving messages in dreams and following their clues like a detective.

Fireman appearing to someone in London also reinforces the existence of Lodge portals all over the world, and cements The Fireman's ability to influence things across space and time.

>>87379127
Ok
Dune < Lost Highway < Fire Walk With Me < Blue Velvet < Elephant Man

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>>87378725
>8 hours to waste
It's more like 11.5 hours desu

>>87379053

Eraserhead > The Straight Story > Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me > Inland Empire > The Elephant Man > Blue Velvet > Mulholland Drive > Lost Highway >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wild at Heart >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dune

>>87379128
That's what I think too. She is the girl who lives down the lane she is the neighbor to Cooper trapped in a different but similar nightmare world.

>>87379102
>Hey guys let's pretend that this show that the writers of which were pretty much bullshitting episode to episode and doesn't have any sort of coherent plan, is actually a master work and is actually super deep and not actually as shallow as a puddle.
>Then let's just call everyone who points out these obvious faults 'brainlets' that'll do it!

>>87379053
out of what I've seen

Wild at Heart > Mulholland Drive > Blue Velvet > Eraserhead
I need to rewatch FWWM.

>>87379128

Audrey was in a coma since the bomb blast at the bank. She never left the coma. She was raped and gave birth while still in a coma.

Every scene with Audrey takes place completely within her comatose brain. Her husband who keeps asking her if she is ready to "leave the house yet" is her subconscious trying to get her to wake up.

Man, I spent all these past few days thinking about this ending. Lynch really is a genius this has never happened to me before. This is how you know you have seen kino.

>>87379205
Why list Eraserhead so low?

>>87379189
You are obviously not smart enough to understand thee genius that is Twin Peaks: The Return. Just stop. You don't have ANY evidence for the claims oyu're making.

>>87379053
Inland Empire>Mulholland Drive>FWWM>Eraserhead>Blue Velvet> Lost Highway>Wild At Heart>>>>powergap>>Elephant Man

>>87379060

In which diary does she point out about 2 Coopers?

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>>87379159

>rating Muholland Drive that low

>>87379128
her story about Billy being almost the same as the other story about Billy supports this, but it's anyone's guess.

She's still related to electricity somehow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7RyVdlQKhQ

So, was Sheryl Lee's third character going to be Carrie Page, or someone else?

Just finished watching the twin peaks finale with my mom. I'm not sure what to think of it. All I can really say is it left me with a great sense of unease, in a way no horror films have managed. The lights going off and the scream were terrifying. My mom said it was rubbish and nothing haplened, then when I told her some of the tpg theories she said it sounds like you all have very active imaginations.

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depressing desu

>>87379004
Yea that's generally obvious. I was just speaking more in this specific case. There are a lot of people who see Coop as now trapped in some alt dimension created by Judy, but it seems like the Fireman would have known this or at least not sent Coop to such a depressing fate.

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>>87379225
This scene fucked me up.

>>87378470
doppelcoop boned it as well

>>87379251
The one she left out in the open so she appeared as a normal teenage girl, of course.

you retard

>>87379225

Same. I can't believe we live in a world where kino like this is so rare that we are basically deprived of it.

>>87379017
Where are you getting this from?

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>>87379251

Annie told her to put it in her Diary and she put it in the secret one I think. She put all visions and stuff in the secret one. I don't remember it's been a long time since I read it. You can buy it on amazon if you want;

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>>87379285
Belushi looks like Ron Simmons there.

>>87379225
I'm like this every time I see a Lynch at the theater.

I must've seen Inland 3 or 4 times when that came out.

>>87379269
>you all have very active imaginations
Tell your mom the problem is that she has no imagination at all and she's better off sticking to her stories.

>>87379269

This finale has really solidified my own hatred and disrespect for normies.

>>87379302
if it was plentiful, it wouldn't be kino

>>87379269

Your mom sounds like a nice person anon, keep that good relation with her or you'll regret it.

Always can we agree that Lost Highway is that not great ? Like a poor's man Mulholland Drive.

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>>87379241
Yes of course, when they made FWWM Judy was always supposed to be 'Jowday' obviously! This totally wasn't just Lynch/Frost bullshitting up a plot for S3.

Is this really how dumb you are?

>>87379243
This expect change all the > to <

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extremely depressing

>>87379237
I didn't like it as much as I liked the others.
I disliked Mullholland Drive when I watched it months ago, but it's recently been growing on me.

>>87378468
lmao, this is the perfect reply to that shit bait

https://m.soundcloud.com/steven-guy-10/lauras-whispered-message-to-dale-cooper

Is there something or is it just Lynch trolling?

>>87379393
Lost Highway rules

>>87379272
>just now noticing it's 2:53
How did I make it through this entire show being such a retard

this was a dream?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z47GCHwHXzA

Why was Julee Cruise's performance so shit bros?

>this is where you'll find Judy
so Phillip knew Cooper would be fucked?

>>87379416
Lynch doesn't actually plan anything out so I wouldn't put much stock in whatever you can pull from that audio. If there is a S4 he and Frost will just bullshit some more nonsense for you retards to lap up and pretend that was the idea all along.

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>>87379404
>Dead End sign in the background
>but it's out of focus
>just like Coop lost his focus and came to a dead end
KINO

I love how everyone's subjective interpretation is completely different but being presented as irrefutable, obvious fact that everyone is in total agreement upon.

And also that not a single post has been about anything other than the final two episodes and what they failed to resolve.

A Lynching for the ages.

>>87379225
It couldn't have ended more perfectly. Left me incredibly unsettled.

That being said, I want another season.

>>87379452
By being a lynchfag

>>87379393
>Always can we agree that Lost Highway is that not great ? Like a poor's man Mulholland Drive.
well yeah but it's not like people at the time had that point of reference.

>>87379408
That's fair. It's pretty polarizing.

>>87379053
FWWM > Lost Highway > Mulholland Dr > Dune > Eraserhead > Blue Velvet > The Elephant Man > Wild at Heart

>>87379393
It's better than Mulholland Drive

>>87379486
It's cause people can be pretty arrogant sometimes even me.

>>87379404
We're not in Kansas anymore xD

>>87379509
I agree for the most part. There's things that Mulholland Drive does better, but overall, I enjoy Lost Highway more

The real question is what now? What do we do now? Is it time to move on from Twin Peaks? Continue living our lives as normal?

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>>87379272
>coop's eyebrows

>>87379455
it wasn't

>>87379072
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>>87379395
Why the fuck should this matter? Make an actual point next time

>>87379498
It's only been a few months, but I want to rewatch all of them.
I still need to get to Lost Highway, Inland Empire, and Elephant Man. Been saving Dune until I read the book.

What I don't get is why Lynch was so very unhappy with the Bowie scenes. Edited one to hell, cut the other and retconned all of it for S3. I just don't get it.

>>87378865
I don't think this convo can have occurred after cooper travels back to change the FWWM events. The sound the firema tells cooper to listen to in ep 1 occurs in the instant that laura is taken

>>87379243
what was inland empire about anyway

>>87378450
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>>87378450

!!!!!!!! That's it. That's why S3 is literal dogshit.

>>87378470
>tfw you realize Cooper is destined to always fail, in all of his forms

>Dougie failed as a father
>Mr. C failed to reunite with Judy and keep himself out of the lodge
>Cooper fails to save Laura because he's autistic and actually believes he can save her and everything will be fine

Cooper is a retard

>>87379670

It's a long story.

Season 4 when

>>87379577
>scratch marks on the card
>kills those people by basically scratching them apart at high speeds
>Laura disappears when the record scratches
So Judy did displace her...

>>87379676
DELET THIS

>>87378486
This. Making Judy a big bad evil deity was retarded and makes no sense.

Mr. C should have been the ultimate bad guy, not some stupid forced/rushed Judy crap.

>>87379676
Dougie wasn't a version of Cooper. He was a fat dumbass who just looked like Dougie. Also it is implied the Cooper tulpa given to Janey-E will be a good father.

"I don't think David feels compelled to resolve everything by any means, maybe because of the idea that it's ongoing and we'll pick it back up if we have to." - Kyle MacLachlan

http://www.esquire.com/entertainment/tv/a57242/kyle-maclachlan-twin-peaks-the-return-2017-interview/

season 4 confirmed

>>87378827
Sheiiiit. Did he have the pin when he went into the lodge in Season 2? I think that would basically confirm no pin = projection and not truly Cooper.

>>87379502

>blue velvet lower than dune

Neck yourself

>>87379658
Why did who do you think this is there become who do you think that is there

>>87379549

I think Lost Highway is more subtle. The atmosphere of the house at the beginning is like nothing in Mulholland Drive, which has an over-the-topness to it, it's way more in-line with Twin Peaks. Something like the homeless man behind the diner just doesn't belong in Lost Highway. Neither would the evil old couple. I hate people who say the two are "basically the same movie." Mulholland Drive is still better I think, but Lost Highway is not to be dismissed as a "stepping stone to Mulholland Drive".

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>Now witness the firepower of this fully armed and operational battle station!

>>87379784
That's what he says in the Missing Pieces scene

>>87379486
In this thread maybe

But for the past few threads I've had all kinds of discussions about plenty of the episodes

Just because you didn't witness them doesn't mean they don't exist. I love how your subjective interpretation is presented as irrefutable, obvious fact.

>>87379670
Metanarrative about the audience's relationship with a piece of media.

>>87379404
the more i think about this ending (if it isn't a "cliffhanger") the more bleak and spooky it becomes

>>87378865
Cooper is a retard who thought that the Fireman was giving him advice, he was warning him not to do anything stupid.

>>87379102
Nope. You literally can't say these issues don't exist.

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>>87379730

>been set up for 25 years
>rushed

>>87379784
"this" requires pertinent visual information to confirm who the subject is.

"that" is more general and intuitive.

It doesn't matter either way.

>>87378865
It happens some time after Coop erases Laura from Twin Peaks and/or she is stolen out of the world by Judy. The disappearing effect is the same one used by Lynch when Laura's corpse disappears from Twin Peaks.

My best guess is it is before the curtain call.

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>>87379612
The point is that there is no plan, there is no rules to the Twin Peaks universe. They just make shit up from episode to episode, there's no point looking for clues or looking for hidden meaning or deepness because nothing that happens in the show has *any* meaning if there's no real thought that went into it and how things happen.

It's all just whatever the fuck Frost and Lynch want no matter how little it fits with what's happened before or how little it makes sense. There's no forethought happening here. You aren't smart for being intrigued by plots that don't add up, you're an idiot for deluding yourself into thinking it's something brilliant.

I don't know how people can shit all over a show like Lost for not actually having any sort of plan or real ideas behind it, but then praise this empty hollow facade of bullshit that is Twin Peaks.

>>87379676
He was one of the best. Just out of his depth.

anyone have a hi-res screencap of carrie/laura screaming in part 18?

>>87379053
Lost Highway>Blue Velvet>Eraserhead>Mulholland Dr>FWWM>Inland Empire>Dune>Wild at Heart

still need to see straight story and elephant man

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>I got it. I got all of it. But it's mine. Mine and Chips!

>>87378889
Twin Peaks, what is it a pair of fawkin hootahs or sometin!?!?

>>87379730
because BOB isn't the arch-evil. he serves a greater evil. Evil as a concept. Evil as an abstraction.

Something that has no explanation: no Judy

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>>87379923

>>87379869
>He thinks 'Judy' was always supposed to be 'Jowday' and it's not just something Lynch or Frost pulled out of their ass less than a year ago while writing the Return.

Oh anon...silly dumb anon...

>>87379907
This did have a purpose though. It was about exploring the subconscious mind and the inner self. It's all about the nature of experience and life.

>>87379743
I don't think that's what it means

In many interviews, Lynch talks about his love for the TP world and characters. He likes to imagine they keep existing outside of the show. So what he means is that we are just seeing a glimpse into that world, and that it keeps going whether there's a season 4 or not,.

>>87378827

look back at when coop went through the socket and took dougie's place. look's an awful lot like a tulpa being created. lot's of black smoke and just awkward movement. he himself has been a tulpa this whole time and mike woke him up when he was ready. meanwhile he's in the lodge

>>87379955
keep telling yourself that. watch more film my dude.

>>87379869
Judy was originally just supposed to be Josie's sister 25 yrs. ago.

>>87379964
'We'll pick it back up if we have to'

>>87378702
Frost has always been as weird as Lynch when it comes to Twin Peaks. Just because he likes writing lore doesn't mean he wasn't on board for any of what we got in the Return.

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Was she possessed by Bob here?

>>87379954
Judy was originally meant to be Josie Packard's twin sister so the actress could come back after being /DOORKNOBBED/
Thank fuck season 3 got canceled by abc so we were spared that fate.

>>87379393
Lost Highway is better than Mulholland Dr

Mulholland Dr
>It was all a dream lol, two clearly different realities one of which is fake and the other is not

Lost Highway
>Psychological disturbances are manifested physically, everything we see is what "really" happened

Lost Highway has superior storytelling and is more impactful.

That being said, both are great films.

>>87378450
Thank you for actually writing the first accurate review of this series. Fucking shame no critic wants to rip this apart.

>>87379899
So that would imply Coop's history was being re-written, but it's happening in what seems like a timeless place. The Fireman's house seems like it has no connection to time or space, yet Coop is erased from it like Laura was erased from the beginning of TP

>>87380057
Okay I admit that's actually fucking worst than what we ended up getting.

anyone else here intellectually exhausted parsing through the show and considering all the potential interpretations? I feel like a complete brainlet, unable to get to a point where I am content in my own experience and understanding of the show. Getting Lynched to this extent is fucking me up

Has anyone made an edit of the One Punch Lad vs Bob ball battle to look like a boss from a video game with like a health meter and obligatory 8-bit music yet

>people hate Windom Earle
>when his arc gave us a lot of insight on the Lodge activities

sure he was wacky at times but is not like TP is 100% serious stuff

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>>87380050
The ending to s3 makes all of the previous 'scary' parts seem scarier for some reason now. I want to rewatch the original series with this context in mind.

>>87379955
This sounds more pulled out of your ass than the plot of S3.

>>87380097
Not at all but then again I've read Secret History and thought about Twin Peaks for decades so this is my wheelhouse. I'm at home here.

>>87378419
>>87378419

Why does Ruby scream? The American DREAM was created by native American Genocide. Why does Season 3 of Twin Peaks the RETURN end with Laura Palmer Screaming and the lights going out? The American Dream is over. Are L&F telling us that the amoral psychopaths that used the American People and Govrnment to genocide the Native Americans and build an empire by subjugating the Chinese, Japanes, Koreans, Philipinos, Cubans, Hawaiians are now turning there methods onto the AMERICAN PEOPLE THEMSELVES WHO HAVE OUTLIVED THEIR USEFULLNESS? HAPPY LABOR DAY! If you are focused on the story you will miss the message. THE AMERICAN DREAM Two good screams Laura Palmers at the end making the lights go out on The American Dream and Ruby's scream of primal rage at how the American Dream was made. 15 painful episodes of Twin Peaks fans screaming for F&L to WAKE UP D.C . While all these fans are asleep DREAMING THE AMERICAN DREAM Janey E's new car, bag o money, and a hot hubby.Who's Dream is IT? It is the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it. I can't believe more people don't get the NATIVE AMERICAN(Ruby) being physically removed from their place by a couple of white thugs. I can't believe more people don't see the KENNEDY ASSASINATION in the Mr. Todd head shot. I can't believe that Lynch has Mr. Malachy Sreenan play the bosomy woman, yet most people can't see that LIL is a man also and Tommy Preston. I can't believe everyone can't see that the Dodge car scene at CHARLOTTESVILLE is exactly that, A 25 SECOND MOVIE STUNT WITH A STUNT WOMAN FLIPPING BACK ONTO THE SOFT CONVERTABLE PASSED OFF AS REAL.

>>87379635
>been saving Dune until I read the book
don't

you will enjoy it more if you don't already know the source material

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>>87379751

>>87380011
>if

>>87380097
There are no interpretations, why would you bother putting more thought into understanding the story than Lynch and Frost did writing it in the first place?

>>87379416
Now we hear your dark suit?

>>87379907
Still not making any points.

>>87380011
Lynch is 71. he's not going to have that many years in him to do this all again.

>>87380154

Chantal and Hutch F&L telling the alseep fans the truth most can't or won't see.The government does it all the time.
People get paid for it, just like us.
Damm right. Two-faced fucks.
So called Christian nation.
Might as well be, "Thou Shalt Kill".
"Show No Mercy".
"Forgive No One".
"Fuck em in the ass!"
It's a nation of killers, killin all along.
Damm near killed all the indians, didn't they?
Guess it's to hard to see from the white suburbs and cities with a white washed public school education. The Viels AxolotlI'm glowing brigt Obsidian ( nuclear glass from atomic blast )
axolotl amphibiam ( a creature that never really matures )
( The US ATOMIC WORLD NAVAL POWER )
un elemental chemicals ( nuclear radiation )
got me growing ( mutating )
six black tentacles ( monstreous mutations )
a little nightmarish
a little maudlin
good guy go get ( New england Opium drug families )
that kid some laudenum (opium drugs)
salvation's more ( jesus opium )
than I can afford ( destruction of lives from drugs)
who needs the devil ( Christian missionaries civilizing )
when you got the lord ( Christian missionaries civilizing )
oh oh my soul ( mind control from the kennedy sacrifice)
losing control ( secret government killing kennedy )
who built this heart ( belief that the white race is superrior )
oh my GOD ( taught in schools and preached from the pulpit )
Now Sister Maggie's
comming on fleet-foot
baby's got a belly
full of black soot
i got the feeling
i should just stay put
Ah, she'll love you better
than any real man could
am accidental amphibian
I'm growing ( American Empire building )
giddy as a Gideon ( American Missionaries civilizing natives )
another head ( American Military Conquest )
for the chopping block ( America brought disease, war and destruction )
who needs the devil ( Using Christianity to justify )
when you got the lord ( the genocide of Native populations )
oh oh my soul ( the american people duped into wars )
l

>>87380204
Because your logic and line of thinking is fucking retarded

>>87379869
Judy being an evil god was something they made up for this season

Watch FWWM again, it's clear that Judy is human being. Originally it was Josie's sister.

>>87380177
But if he watches the film firat then he'll get the plot spoilt by an inferior version of it and ruin the book reading.

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>>87379923

>>87380050
No, but by reciting "Fire walk with me" she unknowingly approaches the rituals and magic of the Lodges. Leland has the same makeup as he enters the waiting room in the end, as does Windome Earle at some point in S2.

>>87380241

Eh, Lynch knows how to take care of himself. All that meditation, quinoa, and that stress-free, creative lifestyle will keep him healthy. He's not soft where it counts.

>>87380270
He's speaking in code

>>87380288
ahh yes. the scream of agony and relief...

>>87380262
What line of thinking is retarded? You don't actually think there's some master plan at work here, do you?

That 'judy' was always supposed to be 'jowday', seriously?

>he thinks a show should be a series of clues that he can use to figure out the ending before everyone else

>>87380178
shit forgot to include that cooper did NOT have a badge in the scene from the first pic

>>87379949
that file name kills me

>>87379948
I said Mr. C, not BOB.

It didn't have to be GOOD VS EVIL

It could have been a man pitted against his worst self, seeing who will overcome and triumph in the end

Turning the main conflict from Cooper v Mr. C to Cooper v Judy at the last second was a mistake

>>87380244

This makes sense, that song was the best to be honest

>>87380326
I don't care if it was. You don't have any valid poins

How long before Lynch and all the actors get to do post-show interviews where they can actually talk about shit instead of side-stepping every question to avoid spoilers?

>>87380310
you forgot the part where he smokes 2 packs a day and only has dirt black coffee and donuts for food

>>87379836
No that was episode 18

>>87380326
>There are no interpretations

That was literally an interpretation you made.

>>87380097
Yes I am in the same boat. I am reaching a point where I am ready to move on I think. It's just wearing me out now.

The gold ring went missing after it got robbed from Annie, how did MIKE got it back?

>>87379994
>>87380057
>Judy was originally meant to be Josie Packard's twin sister
How is that relevant at all? That was an idea for a potential Season 3, the idea got scrapped when the show got cancelled.
FWWM was a prequel with entirely new ideas, the fact that they reused the name "Judy" doesn't mean it wasn't planned.

>>87380371
not until Lynch says whether they're continuing or not, maybe not then if they have hope of being used in a non TP project

>>87380335
depends on the show to be honest

>>87380314
Then why does he ask for Judy at the hotel, and the clerk refers to her as a young girl?

The Missing Pieces is canon btw.

>>87380288
Poor Laura, dragged to an alternative reality to experience the horror all over again

what's been bothering me most is Mr C's and Judy's motives. Mr C was looking for Judy, but Judy posing as Phillip says something something "you'll go back to the lodge and i will be with bob again" (i assume because sarah and leland were together you could say judy and bob were married)

i guess Mr C wanted to get into the white lodge, since that's where his coordinate's went, but what does that have to do with the symbol...

Candie is the best girl

>>87380353
BOB is still Judy though. It's Judy's vessel. Judy represents a continuation of Evil, something that can't be punched away.

>>87380326
Especially given the fact that the entire sequence where Lynch/Gordon does a lore dump is almost an apology to fans as much as it is to Albert. He's just fucking retconning basic things and loosely connecting it to a word that sounds like Judy.

>>87380408
that ring probably went back to the lodge many times over the intervening 25 years

>>87380428
See:
>>87380442

>>87380391
kek

>>87380428
Judy was clearly still meant to be Josie's sister in Missing Pieces.

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>>87380335

>>87380467
>BOB is still Judy

BOB and Judy are not the same thing, and BOB was never a vessel for her

>>87378517
GodDAMN Sheryl became one thicc lil mama

>>87380442
If they make a film they should bring back the actress who played Josie and have her play "Judy", a women similarly possessed by JUDY

that'd tie up the loose end nice enough

>>87380154

I agree, that's why chief hawk actor was the first one to thank david and mark

>>87380528
you must've missed the part where Judy literally vomits out BOB (along with other orbs who may be infinite variations of BOB)

Sarah, infected with the frogmoth, is also a vessel for Judy

>>87380097
>>87380393
Forget about trying to interpret it, it doesn't matter.
Take the ending at face value and think about how it makes you feel within the context of the entire show.
I was upset at first too but now I love it.

>>87380204
I think I have seen more of Lynch's works than you faggot and now fuck off back to pleddit if you can't make any real points

>>87380442
Mike and Bobby are friends, that must mean that they're the same characters as BOB and MIKE. Judy the Asian secretary from Seattle totally has to be JUDY the extradimensional evil because names never overlap. Richard and Linda HAVE TO BE Richard Horne and Linda the wheelchair veteran.

>>87380391
Fine, it is. But it's the only that's worth having then because all the other ones involve imagining that Frost/Lynch actually have a plan or have thought deeply about their intentions with the series, which very clearly they don't given how much obvious bullshit there is.

>>87380456
we'll never know Mr. C's motives because at the last second it turned out that his plotline meant nothing and that the entire show was about going back in time to save Laura from dying lol

it's like they couldn't come up with a decent conclusion to all the plot threads they had so they said "screw it, we'll just do something completely different in the last two episodes"

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bobe

>>87380177
What this guy said: >>87380279

>>87380326
no there was no master plan. some fans choose to get defensive about that but i just go by my own reaction to the series.
the finale episode- if the final episode of the franchise as a whole- was bleak and sp00ky in a way that few other series are and that endears it to me

>>87380591
>I need to justify wasting hours of my life trying to invent meaning for a series that has none.

kek, enjoy yourself faggot.

>>87378450
*inhales*

>>87380592
>Jefferies, the guy who went missing in the lodge and became a tea kettle, was totally talking about some OTHER Judy, not the one that is relevant to the series at all

you're a dolt

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>>87380514
Uh huh

what year was it?

>>87380596
Fine, that's your interpretation. But remember

>There are no interpretations

>>87378450
>>87380649
(cont.d)
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LYNCHED

>family read random articles that the last episode is terrible
>wont even watch episode 18 now
>keep telling me they are happy with 17

am I surrounded by normies?

>>87380581
BOB is a child of Judy, not a vessel for her

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>>87380609

>>87379053
Mulholland > Blue Velvet > Lost Highway > FWWM > Inland Empire > Eraserhead > Wild at Heart > Dune

>>87380696
Yes.

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So, is this the Loop that happens in S1-S2-FWWM?

what important shit am I missing?

>>87380633
Why shouldn't I disregard your opinion when you continuously fail to make any solid points. This series touches my subconcious in ways not previously imagined - why shouldn't I like it?

>>87380659
Found something at Judy's in Seattle. Didn't want to talk about JUDY. Deal with it.

>>87380696
>read an article
>instead of watching the fucking thing

They're worse than normies, they're drooling retards. If you have to decide the quality of something by listening to someone else's opinion, you don't deserve to have an opinion.

>>87380608
17 pissed me off more than 18

>>87380690
Ironically, you're the one who got "lynched".

>>87380584
except Lynch LOVES interpretations. that's the whole point. his peeve is not elevating one above the other, but finding one that makes sense to you and understanding something on an intuitive level

not disregarding interpretations altogether, which is basically impossible.

>>87380702
children are vessels of the parents' wills. Jesus was a vessel of God and a child of God. your delineation between the two makes no sense.

>>87380659
>became a tea kettle

I thought 17 established he was inside the kettle rather than actually being it

>>87380475

Why did Cooper tried to stop Laura from using the ring?

The lodge scenes remind me of youtube poop

>>87380696
dont feel too bad. My mom started the finale, I walked out 15 minutes later to see how she was liking it and the big bang theory was on tv.

>>87380696
wtf is wrong with people

>>87380622
I'm glad there are other people willing to admit it. I still thoroughly enjoyed the series for the visuals and the little moments it sets up. But all these retarded faggots pretending the show is oh so deep or that there's actual clues hidden throughout the series that can be used to find out what happens next or even that Lynch/Frost actually have a specific discernible meaning behind the story which can be interpreted is all just so fucking retarded.

The way people go on and on about how deep it all is reminds me of the fan base of Rick and Morty style fawning sometimes. Just so cringey.

>>87380790
she'd get LODGED before her time.

she only used it as a last resort from being BOB'D

>>87380696
How the hell can people make it through 17 episodes of Lynch and then give up on 18?

Episodes 1-16:
>main conflict is between Cooper and Mr. C, one of them must die and return to the lodge
>hints at some sort of powerful lodge spirit awakened by the nuclear bomb to explain BOB's existence and Laura's
>lots of fun Twin Peaks storylines
>based Dougie

Episodes 17-18:
>nah son the main conflict has been between Cooper and JEW-DIE the whole time, Mr. C is irrelevant
>anime fights
>resolving storylines? nah, let's just go back in time and save Laura from dying, erasing the entire series so far from existence
>eh let's not even really resolve that, let's spend the entire last episode in a world we're completely unfamiliar with

Episodes 17 and 18 are good. They're just not a good conclusion.

>>87380784
Of course, because the person to whom you're replying is a numbnuts who knows jack shit

anybody have the cooper / sonic comparison meme

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>>87380810
>its okay anon, I'll switch back at the next commercial

>>87378450
Almost made me think you have a point. Pretty good bait. Now fuck off scum.

>>87380742
Imagine being this much of a brainlet

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>>87380848

so did Mr C fool phillip when they were talking about judy? seems like phillip is still a good guy based on what gordon said. the whole season i assumed there was a dopple-phillip in play, somehow involving the jumping man. i know he was impersonated once, but the real phillip hired ray, and helped coop.

>ah, so you are cooper
>you'll have to be more specific

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>Don't take the ring, Laura. Don't take the ring.
Oh fuck what if that was Cooper trying to break the infinite cycle he got himself trapped in

>>87378568
It was a summer event. And ended right before Labor Day.

>>87380890
thank you

>>87380784
that was what's commonly referred to as a "meme"

>We will have to reconcile with the question that if someone from outside our familiar world gains access to our plane of existence, what ramifications will that entail? There might be forces at work from deep dimensional space, or from the future…or are these one in the same? Think of the events that could have splintered time? The things that could have laid the seed for a starting point for this development? Perhaps technological innovations or the assassination of President Kennedy?

It's funny to think about how telegraphed the ending was from the writing on Bill Hasting's website.

>>87380696
>>87380810
How can people do this. People seem to consume media in such a superficial way these days. Like, when I finish watching something with my family, they never want to let it linger or discuss it, its just straight away onto the next thing, like they're working through a list of chores. Not watching the finale bit sitting through some of the other nonsense this season has put us through? This I don't believe.

>>87380890
Cooper-Dougie should be Sonichu.

>>87380889
Yes surely the embodiment of all evil in the universe is a young Asian woman from Seattle who leaves notes for David Bowie in Argentina.

>>87380936
I knew based Hastings was the best character

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>>87380666

http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/twin-peaks-kyle-maclachlan-finale-1202547022/

>Kyle MacLachlan interpreted Richard as a distinct character, explaining: "The way it was described to me, [Richard is] just a little harder. So it was another variation, sort of a subtle variation obviously, compared to [impaired Cooper and the doppelganger], but a subtle variation of Cooper. And so that was that last hour, watching him navigate that."

COOPER ALSO GOT REPLACED

>>87380966
the point is that JEW-DIE was made up for S3

in FWWM, she was intended to be some girl, most likely Josie's sister.

the plans for JEW-DIE were not in place when FWWM was made, this is obvious when you watch the missing pieces

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>>87380659
>Nadine was clearly talking about some OTHER about MIKE, not the one that is relevant to the series at all
It's almost like TP has a theme of duality

>>87380773
Maybe I worded that badly. I just think everybody should stop trying so hard.

I don't need an overly explained ending with specific details on what everything meant. I felt the ending and that's all the interpretation I need.

>>87381034
In interviews Kyle even seems confused with the finale, despite having been the only one to read the whole script.

How much of TR was changed in editing? Was there originally a more satisfying conclusion?

>>87381037
can confirm, my dad is David Lynch

>>87381037
>in FWWM, she was intended to be some girl, most likely Josie's sister.
then why was Bowie screaming about her so autistically

>>87381040
What would happen if he jerked off with the glove?

>>87378664
See you in 25 years, no shit.

2017. 2+1+7=10. The number of completion.

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>>87380844
For me the disconnect of the final two episodes reinforces the notion that they were more about exploring the notion of returning to the story of Twin Peaks itself then they were about properly concluding the story.

The first ending (Bob ball blows up happy reunion end) is clearly a mockery of the notion that the conflict could or should be resolved in such a neat, fanservice like way. The following episode feels much more like the entire series in microcosm. What happens when you go back into the dream, reach back into the past to try to bring it back to Twin Peaks? Nothing is the same, the past is forgotten, or is it? Laura is suddenly forced to relive the trauma all over again in the final moments, was the effort worth the pain?

>>87381047
except that MIKE and BOB and Mike and Bobby are all clearly established and understood to be different people, when a character is talking about one of them there is never any confusion as to who they're talking about

There is one Judy, always has been, except who she is has changed over time in the minds of Lynch and Frost. When FWWM was made, she was some girl Jeffries was trying to contact. Now, she's been retconned into being an uberpowerful lodge demon.

You can like JEW-DIE all you want, but don't pretend like this was planned all along.

>>87381137
It would be very painful

>>87381128
he was screaming because of the teleportation

>>87381092
read interviews with the cowriter of FWWM

>>87381137
I think it only seems to "work" if he punches (hence why he didn't just break down the jail cell door, he had to punch it)

More specifically, though, what would happen if he were to fist a woman? Would it count as a punch, thus activating it?

Its future

>>87378450
Can you imagine being this guy?

Waste hours having the show on, but not even watching it, instead deciding to shitpost in a live chat and miss out on good tv. Then come to every single general to post the same copy pasta to expose how autistic you are.

>>87381220
he was crushing nuts with it

>>87381226
...or is it past?

>>87381075
So your reason for that post is

>stop doing the thing I don't like
>stop having fun you stupid kids

>>87378468
It took me 10 threads to get this

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What the fuck happened to Audrey?

>>87381213
Richard Horne is definitely the Richard that the giant talked about not just someone else named Richard

>>87381037
It's pronounced Jew Dei (Jao Day). Dei Jew. Dei for the genitive for Deus, "of the god" Jew the god of the Jews AKA Saturn (Satan). Planet Saturn in Seinfeld opening confirms.

>>87381287
what does it mean

>>87379395
Its not bulshit, I wrote in 20+ years ago in Frost's book
Its all planned

>>87381171
>You can like JEW-DIE all you want, but don't pretend like this was planned all along.
I'm not, I think the PERSON Judy was meant to be a planned character for the sole reason of it also being relevant as a "twin" name of JUDY - similar to there being Mike and Bobby to MIKE and BOB.

Problem was, Lynch & Frost never actually gave us a character named Judy. They clearly planned to, but scrapped the idea. Everything would have made more sense if Josie was just named Judy to get it out of the way, honestly.

>>87381201
For you.

>>87381300
forgot to set her alarm, late for school

>>87381300
she woke up

>>87380952
>watch LOST with my mom when the pilot airs
>she drops it but I keep watching
>she eventually catches up and joins me for the finale

>I cry like a baby at the finale
>little brother walks in an gives me a "what are you crying about, faggot?" kind of look
>never watch anything with family again

>>87378737
>tfw have mild autism and never consciously noticed

>>87380836
>I have no imagination so I find everyone else cringy

I would hate to live in your world. It must be fucking depressing

>>87381300
The show twin peaks is inside her mind
She is the dreamer

>>87381258
Its not past. Or is it?

>>87381309
>>87381332
samefagging brainlet

>>87380956
actually the dougie that Cooper makes out of his own DNA (instead of tard dougie made from Mr C) should be sonichu

OC character made by the good guy (CWC)

>>87381402
She is part of the dream and has become aware of the dream but she is not the dreamer, but has awoken inside the dreamers dream

>>87381402
if this was true it would be the most retarded show ever
St Elsewhere version 2
how dumb

i realized last episode that diane was the same diane cooper made recordings for in the original series

i tihnk i'm close to cracking the rest of the mystery

>>87381300

Is it future or is it past?

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>>87381457
Are you mentally retarded, by any chance?

>>87381412
nope