If it werent for magic lucksax this fag would have had the iron

>>87357302
Good thing he died. Fucking homo.

>>87357302
He had the Tyrell army. Season 7 established retroactively that they're shitty warriors.

>>87357302
Good analysis, but you used parking then like seven words later said parked, p. sure you could have used a different word there, seems a BIT repetitive

8/10 post please don't REPEAT WORDS NEXT TIME

This

With Tyrell support all he had to do was wait for Robb and Tywin to fight (with him telling Robb some bullshit story about helping them fight Tywin, having one of them winning and destroying that army afterwards. If Robb did defeated tywin and got destroyed by Renly afterwards, he would have to make peace anyway to go North to fight theon) and hoping Stannis to conquer kings landing and then defeating him. Or defeat tyrion and stannis later, they were no might against him

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>>87357302
He was OP. Which is why GRRM pulled some bullshit out of his ass to kill him.

omg who fucking cares

What's his tax policy though?

>>87357372
which is fucking dumb
if you're super fucking wealthy (the Tyrells) you have a strong army, to say 'oh, we were never good at fighting' is such retarded writing in the context of Westeros, or any society for that matter

>>87357372
Yet it was the Tyrell army that saved the Lannisters.

>>87357544
The French have always been rich but they suck at fighting too

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What's magic lucksax?

>>87357544
The entire show is retarded at this point

>>87357372
It doesn't matter

He had the Starks to back him too. Not to mention the Stormlands and he would have had Randall Tarly

he was a faggot

>>87357302

He was way too fabulous and therefore had to die

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>>87357625
>American Education

>>87357910
the french are pathetic at warfare
can only beat third world chimps
stuck up arseholes

>>87357421
Parking, parking, parking, parking, parking, parking, parking, parking, parking, parking, parking, parking, parking, parking, parking, parking, parking, parking, parking, parking.

>>87357302
Or he could've just supported his older brother like he was supposed to, which would've ended the war before it even really began.

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>>87357910
Cry more french fag.
Your most smart leader sucked russian balls.

>>87358287
>go to fight a guy
>he burns his house down and runs away
>haha you lose
okay

>>87358287
And as a result Russia ruined its only good land and fucked over its lower class which would help build up to the Revolution. Napoleon couldn't have predicted Russian's were actually fucking retarded.

>>87358277
>supporting a literal delusional man who believes in the magic power of flames

this show got stupid the moment that retarded shadow kicked in

>>87358409
400k dead vs 200k dead.
Total annihilation of the french army.
In 5 months.

Kek.

>>87358417
> which would help build up to the Revolution
1812 war, 1912 revolution.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>87358418
How can he be delusional for believing in magic powers that were actually proven to be real?

>>87358473
Remind me how he died again

>>87358467
>1812 war, 1912 revolution.
>Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Russia was constantly fucking over the Serfs over petty bullshit, also burning your capital and half the good country-side makes it real hard to modernize when you have to constantly rebuild shit.

>>87358504
20 good men

>>87357302
He was an idiot though. He knew how to make friends, but not how to lead an army. He could have retaken King's Landing faster than Stannis would have even reacted if he stopped messing around with tourneys and other such bullshit.

He was basically Robert without the battle knowledge and skill.

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>>87357302
>tfw you realise Renly had his own royal guards
>tfw he officially named them Rainbow Guards

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>>87357421
>always afraid of receiving this kind of message when repeating words
>finally see it happen to someone

>>87358504
Still doesn't make him delusional.

>>87358545
>burning your capital
It was shitty city anyway, everything made from wood.
Just helped to rebuild it.

>half the good country-side
It seems you do not understand how fucking big russia really is.

>>87358582
no u right, I just burned my daughter cause i have a tough exam tomorrow

>>87358610
>It seems you do not understand how fucking big russia really is.
Yeah Siberia is so fucking useful.

>>87357988
The french conquered Europe dumb britbong.

>>87358624
And BTFO by russians. >>87358287

>>87358622
It actually is.

>>87358698
Snow farms are really helpful for feeding your people and army.

>>87358504
He didn't senpai ;)

>>87357302
>biggest army

Tyrell couldn't fight for shit

>>87358744
>Snow
You know. it is +30-35 in summer in Siberia.

>>87357544
Especially when the Tyrell army has been virtually untouched throughout the show. They're at full strength, while the Lannisters have been fighting almost non-stop for three years. They must outnumber the Lannisters at least 2 to 1, and they control most of the food supply of Westeros on top of that, especially since the Lannisters/Riverlands/Stormlands have been too busy fighting to harvest.

Logically, the entire continent should be bowing down to the Tyrells. Instead they get completely eliminated in two episodes by Cersei, Jaime, and maybe 1000 Lannister soldiers.

>>87358744
Russia is the world's second or third-largest food producer. Idk why people think it's some kind of frozen wasteland.

>>87358612
Not sure why this is so hard for you to undestand. He saw first hand that the magic of the lord of light is real. It IS canonically real in the GoT universe. Surely, he can make mistakes, be misinformed, believe in a priestess who doesn't know what she's doing etc, but that still does not make him delusional. Why would him believing one particular ritual might work be delusional of him when countless of other rituals have worked before, including bringing back the fucking dead?

>>87357544
Ever heard of quantity over quality. Wealthy people practice it all the time because seeking quality can be very expensive and can lead to you NOT being rich anymore

>>87357625
The French are historically some of the most successful fighters tho. This meme came from their losing streak last century.

Hell the frogs even managed to be a nuclear power

>>87358830
But the Lannisters are supposed to be the rich ones, or at least used to be. So even following your retarded logic you're wrong.

>>87358919
>last century.
>Napoleon
>Epic conqueror
>Lost horribly to russia
Ok.

>>87357625
End this meme, the French are historically one of the most successful fighting forces in history.

>>87358919
>managed to be a nuclear power
All thanks to germany.

>>87358817
Because a large part of Siberia is you mong. You can't even live in most of it

>>87359000
>You can't even live in most of it
Because it is too cold for you?
Oh poor french soldier, who knew it is cold in russian winter. Oh, btw, it is time to eat your dead horse.

>>87358943
Lost horribly to Russia after fucking the rest of Yurop up.

>>87358943
Nah its since the Franco Prussian war. And did weren't completely raped in WW1 either
Not to mention the fact that Napoleon is compared to the likes of Alaxander the Great anyway.

Percentage wise the French are very successful at war

>>87358578

fucking lol

that's one irrational fear i've always had too, i've modified entire 500+ worded posts just because i couldn't think of an adequate synonym for whatever term i repeated. and it's probably why i'm triggered by that HP copypasta, someone bothering to take note of how many times "stretching his legs" was repeated.

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>>87357302
IT WAS STANNIS WHO DESERVED THE IRON THRONE! HE TOOK OVER DRAGONSTONE, HE HAD THE MIND TO BE A KING, HE WAS THE NEXT IN LINE NOT RENLY

>>87359068
Are you retarded? Did you even see who I was replying too? Only nomads live in northen siberia

>>87359126
>And did weren't completely raped in WW1 either
Well thanks to millions of russians who died supporting you.
But got nothing because germany sponsored lenin to make revolution and drop out from war.

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>>87358824
>It IS canonically real in the GoT universe
Yes it is. The Lord of Light is the true God from what we have seen so how come Stannis still lost? Reminder he didn't die mid battle, he died AFTER the battle by 2 guys creeping up on him and getting stabbed

>>87359186
>? Only nomads live in northen siberia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norilsk

-50 in winter.
City with 150k citizens.

>>87358504

He died in combat against real people unlike Renly who died to a literal shadow magic monster.

>>87357372
only when controlled by a senile old woman whose only talent was pretending she was good at political intrigue

>>87357302
He is obviously not fit to rule and has no claim. How the fuck did /tv/ miss this when the show hammers these points on the audience pretty obviously?

>>87359255
He actually killed those guys while injured and limping, that's a huge feat

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>>87357910
>>87358919
>>87358963
>french
>good at fighting

>biggest army

Who cares? The Reach's army sucks, they couldn't even defend their own kingdom with a full army when faced against an invading army that has been at war for years and suffered major losses.

>>87357988
That's the british

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>>87359269
>Founded 1935
>City since 1953

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>remember seasons 1–4 being good
>think back to shit like le shadow babby killing Renly, le exploding potions, le Tyrells saving the day at Blackwater, and whole armies following le mother of dragons at the drop of a hat just because

>>87357372
He had the Starks, what remained of the Riverlords, Randall Tarly, the Stormlands, all of whom were seasoned fighters by this point, the Northerners especially

>>87360094
sure it wasn't Britain single handedly preventing the allies from collapse for the four years that the US didn't mobilise.

>>87357447
Would Theon have become the regent in the North if Robb and Cately had died? Bran was far to young

Like how would that even have worked, he is technically their hostage kek

>>87359857
if the show made one thing straight that no body gives a fuck a bout claim

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>fag got killed by pussy magic

>>87361795
Kek

>>87361795
kek

>>87360263
Bran probably would have become king, but he'd have some sort of advisor running it for him before he actually came of age.

>>87361795
lololollol

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Whenever someone complains Renly would be too weak to rule Westeros, reminder that you're talking to a filthy ignorant showfag.

Renly is described as the ideal king for Westeros. He is Robert with none of his flaws.

>>87362184
Thats what I mean, would Theon be the North's Castillian or some shit? He was Robb's righthand man

>>87357302
It hurts every day, bros ;_;

It hurts even worse that I'll always be associated with the fujoshits just because I'm a Renlyfag

>>87362333
did you see the deleted scene where Loras mourns him

muh feels

>>87362319
It'd probably go to a major Northern Lord. Probably the Boltons. Theon just didn't have the proper standing.

>>87362429
book loras was best boy, he wasn't even the heir to the reach, he was a third son. And he took a vow of chastity after Renly died,
>"After the sun sets, what candle can compare"
Show loras just went back to gay shit after Renly dies.

>>87362508
It would have been the Manderlys, so if the last season is any indication of who gets Manderly storylines, Arya would somehow be his regent.

>>87362284

He's heavily hinted to be a poof though

>Fag
>Pukes at the sight of blood

Yeah, no. He was charismatic and made the right connections, but he was a huge pussy. If it was't the shadow he would have been gutted or shamed in some other battle.

>>87363117
>Pukes at the sight of blood
Show OC

>>87362789
Pretty much irrelevant for his reign though.

>>87357447
Rob would've probably just left once he killed the Lannisters. He never really cared about being king

>>87357988
>ooga booga muh freedom fries
kys Tyrone

>>87357302
The episode where he died actually made me stop watching Game of Thrones for a few months. Like for a show that flaunts that people die because they make mistakes. A man dying because he couldn't foresee his brother fucking a preistess to create some anime tier shadow monster to kill him is pretty silly.

>>87360154
Explosions made some sense at least.

>>87358943
Anon, almost everyone's lost to Russia.

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>>87358467
> 1912 revolution

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>all the wheat

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>>87363447

Stannis would have won if not for magical fire and magical 20 good men

>>87360221
>turtles on island and uses half the world as hinterland

Gee, such an accomplishment

>>87357372
>>87357544
>>87358783

The Tyrell army is apparently weak in the show, but until Season 7, the Tyrell army also came with all the OTHER armies in the Reach, such as the Tarlys who have been portrayed as great warriors.

The "why do Tyrells suddenly suck" meme is retarded, they suddenly suck because most of their army switched sides, not because of some silly retcon.

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>>87358467
>1912 revolution
>who were decembrists
>total annihilation of french army
>imblying no austrian, prussian, belgian, dutch, spanish or polish casualties included in 400k figure
>400k vs 200k
>imblying desertions and POWs are not included, all soldiers died
>imblying the russians didn't lose at least twice that number of people when civilians are counted
>imblying napoleon even gave a fuck what happened in russia until he had to fight all of europe solo in germany the next year

>>87358566
He was pretty smart. He tried to back Ned after Robert died, but Ned wouldn't listen and ended up getting beheaded.

>>87362284
Averice is a flaw. Stannis was the rightful king, no other. You can't steal a throne just because you think you'd make a better king. If you want to be king, you best make damn sure you win.

>>87357910
>Belligerents
>United States
Dude what

>>87357302
D&D hates Stannis for killing Renly in the show. Book Renly, the real Renly, was a total asshat. He was a homosexual Bobby B-lite, but inferior in every way before Bobby B let it himself go.

He wasn't an intellectual like D&D pretends him to be. He believed books are for nerds. never cared about his brothers at all, and made fun of Brienne behind her back. He was nothing but a self-interested dick.

>>87363921
Yeah, Napoleon definitely didn't give a fuck about losing a critical campaign which precluded his major objective of pressuring Britain, led to his allies turning against him, and devastated his army to the point it would never recover its former strength.

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>>87364334
>You can't steal a throne just because you think you'd make a better king.

Robert did.

>>87364334
>Stannis was the rightful king,
>You can't steal a throne just because you think you'd make a better king
>If you want to be king, you best make damn sure you win

You're a fucking scatterbrain.

>>87364553
>>Belligerents
>>United States
>Dude what

The U.S. refused to honor it's debts from the Revolutionary War to France after the French king was overthrown.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quasi-War

>>87364334
>muh rights
Stannis would have been a shit king, and everyone knows it.

>>87357372
>implying the show can be taken with any credibility anymore
Shit is just written however is most convenient to the writers.

>>87365113
That's an entirely separate "conflict", mostly just privateering engagements.

Same with Haiti, they lost a colony to a bunch of unarmed slaves.

Calling indecisive undeclared wars or an outright defeat and loss of land as part of a "victory" is Britbong "Dunkirk was a long-term strategic victory" levels of wikipedia revisionism.

>>87365113
>French king expends resources
>French murder king
>"G-GIB! YOU AGREED TO GIB!"

Fucking beggars, kek.

>>87364964
Not really. Robert proclaimed himself king only near the end of the war. The rebels fought the war to depose the Mad King, win justice for the Starks, and get back Lyanna. It was not for the purpose of putting Robert on the throne. Robert himself didn't even fight for that. It wasn't his primary goal at all.

Renly is just a prick who couldn't even wait to win the war before he let his personal ambitions loose to fuck everything up.

>>87365392
>"Dunkirk was a long-term strategic victory"
Nobody at all claims this, it was a miraculously successful clean-up in the immediate wake of a massive fuck-up.

Of all possible outcomes, what happened was very unlikely, and extremely fortunate for Britain.

>>87363769
>The "why do Tyrells suddenly suck" meme is retarded, they suddenly suck because most of their army switched sides, not because of some silly retcon.
Fair point, but really only half the story.

They're also another victim of the "oh, crap, we've got to wrap this up soon or their going to cancel us" Season 7 - 8 compression. There's a lot of that in evidence. Still a ton of ground to cover and threads to tie up, and not nearly enough time to do it in. In the run-away success days of the early seasons, they would have gotten a couple dedicated episodes for the lead-up and big battle where the Tyrells get destroyed. Instead they get a footnote.

>>87364334
>You can't steal a throne just because you think you'd make a better king
You actually can so long as you've got enough support. If you're powerful enough to take and hold the throne, and command the support of it subsidiaries, than yes, you can be king, it's that simple.
Renly happened to have a good claim to the throne anyways.

>>87357302
>the richest kingdom
Lannisters are the richest House. tyrells just had alot of food. Baratheons as a House were poorfag-tier

>AND set a deal up with the North
No he didnt. Catelyn was going to Robb with his terms. For all we know, Robb mightve told him to go fuck himself
>He was winning yhe war of five kings easily without even HAVING to fight, just by parking his troops to keep the Lannisters parked in and starved out while Robb fucked them up.
Hes an idiot, while he was tourneys and "waiting for the Lannisters to be killed by the Starks" KL was basically undefended, all he had to was sail from Storms End to KL and he wouldve had the Throne in a fortnight

He was an idiot

>>87365549
I think the Anon's point was "you can't just sit on a throne and say you're king" - you've got to be able to back it up. You're both kinda saying the same thing, as I read it.

>>87365485
>Dunkirk was a long-term strategic victory
>Nobody at all claims this
It's all just a matter of spin, isn't it? Dunkirk COULD have been a crippling strategic loss for the brits (to their national morale, at the very least), and due to a combination of heroic action, quick thinking, and quite a bit of good luck, things didn't go that way. Snatching a "hey, that wasn't so bad" from the Jaws of Crushing Defeat could be seen as a win, in a certain light.

>>87365937
Robb intentionally manuevered himself and baited Tywin for the explicit purpose of leaving King's Landing open for Renly. He desired a Baratheon victory and Lannister defeat. He wasn't going to set down his crown until the Lannisters were gone. It made a decent bargaining chip and meant the North could very well separate itself from the rest with ease if it wanted to.

Also Renly was taking his time marching to King's Landing because he had zero incentive to rush it and risk fatigue. Everything was going in his favor. Robb was destroying Tywin in the north. Stannis was irrelevant. And he had the entire south rallied to him. Slow down, gather your strength and unleash it all at once on the weakened Lannisters. Renly lost entirely out of factors he could never hope to predict or defeat.

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>>87366152
>Renly lost entirely out of factors he could never hope to predict or defeat.
Wait, so you're saying he couldn't predict his murder at the hands of his brothers magic shadow baby? I say he lacked imagination. I heard that one coming from a mile away.

>>87366152
Just because Robb maneuvered intentionally to keep KL undefended doesnt mean he was gonna set aside his crown for Renly. In my interpretation, Robb wouldve never set his crown down after his bannermen named him king.

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>>87363769
scene before LITERALLY establishes that money wins wars, that the lannisters have no money, and that the tyrells are loaded

Tyrells immediately job to Lannisters

>>87357910
Historically the French were pretty savage. It took 6 pr 7 grand coalitions to finally beat Napoleon. The only reason they never wiped out the British was because of the channel crossing (even then, the normans basically formed modern Britain when they conquered it). EU4 does a good job of representing how powerful the french were.

>>87365549
All ownership pretty much works like that. If you declare yourself ruler and have the power to back it up, then you are the ruler. Its the basic rule, decided by nature itself.

>>87362284
>be perfect king
>can´t produce heir, because you wouldn´t fuck smirkfu

Okay.

>>87363769
Which is retarded in itself

When GRRM actually wrote the books, he clearly indicated that actions have consequences, which is why Robb died at the hands of Walder Frey

But Cersei blows up the Citadel? No riots by the common folk, no questions asked why Tommen committed suicide, and half the Tyrell army still betrays the Tyrells after Cersei murders their Liege lord and both his heirs

So basically, the good guys suffer for their poor decisions but the bad guys can do whatever the fuck they want and get away with everything, which is not realistic in the context of the series at all

But D&D are out of time and don't give a shit anymore

Who know who else is the Lord of Light? Lucifer.

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>>87362284
> He is Robert with none of his flaws.

He's not a great warrior or strategist. Everything points to him being smashed the fuck apart by Tywinn if they ever met in battle. He was spending all his time having tourneys and feasts instead of actually marching to war, and he surrounded himself with young knights and nobles with no war experience.

>>87357302
Renly was lame as hell since I was reading CoK and he was hyped up as easily being the most powerful king out there so I knew he would be taken out quickly before really doing anything and lo and beyond shadow baby.

>>87363447
But is it wild wheat?

>>87368702
The normans were not french they were norsemen living in north-east france, they hated the french.

>>87357625
>American education

>>87358566
He was blockading the food supplies to Kings Landing.

And just by sitting his army their he was fucking the Lannisters since if they moved against him, Robb would crush him and vice versa.

So a starved army was losing battle after battle to Robb, while his army sat pristine and untouched.

>>87363252
Yeah, Renly's politics were god tier.

Winning a war with deals and talks without ever havinf to fight.

>>87365395
God that was a good rap battle

>>87365937
Renly and Robb boxed in the entire Lannister army, they couldnt move close to at all lest KL fall.
At the same time, they were starving because Renly was blockading the food supply.

All Renly had to do was wait until the Lannister army imploded from lack kf food and funds(remember, the Lannisters AND the thrown were broke.)

If Robb took his deal, they could have easily ended the war.