TWIN PEAKS GENERAL /TPG/ STARRING KYLE MCLACLACLAHLAN

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>>87322327
friendly reminder that doppelcoop did nothing wrong and Cooper was the real fuck-up the entire time

I still liked the fact that the whole story ended on Laura Palmer.

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If we live inside a dream what kind of dream do we live in?

so here's my read on episode 18 :

>cooper saves Laura from being killed by BOB
>this triggers judy (as seen at the end of ep 17) who reaps Laura in revenge and takes her to another dimension, where she lives a shitty life
>coop goes to the lodge and the arms tells him about the girl "down the lane", he makes the connection with the 430 number
>goes to the other dimension with Diane
>at this point I guess Diane isn't Diane anymore, not sure what the whole motel scene means
>Carrie is obviously Laura, who has been brainwashed
>Cooper is saddened to see the shitty life she has
>It feels like the person who Alice is talking to is actually Judy, which explains why we don't see "it" or even hear the answers, the whole thing feels really weird
>in the end, it's not Cooper but Judy who makes Laura snap out, which I guess doesn't indicate a good ending for both protagonists

did the whole universe died

ITS ALL A DREAM ROFL

season 4 when

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>>87322327
*doesn't show up*

LYNCH IS A LIAR! LYNCH IS A LIAR! LYNCH IS A LIAR! LYNCH IS A LIAR! LYNCH IS A LIAR! LYNCH IS A LIAR! LYNCH IS A LIAR! LYNCH IS A LIAR! LYNCH IS A LIAR! LYNCH IS A LIAR! LYNCH IS A LIAR! LYNCH IS A LIAR! LYNCH IS A LIAR! LYNCH IS A LIAR! LYNCH IS A LIAR! LYNCH IS A LIAR! LYNCH IS A LIAR! LYNCH IS A LIAR!

HHHEEEEELLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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Dougie>>>>>>>Cooper

>>87322406
Never.

>>87322406
Never. It's all over.

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david lunch lol

>>87322387
explain audrey

>>87322355
Dopplecoop looks so much cuter with white eyes.

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who /ande/ here?

>>87322398
>Never watched anything by Lynch

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>>87322377
>the whole story ended
(((HOWTHEFUCKCANYOUKNOWTHAT)))

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From the moment BOB gets defeated and Coop's face starts to get superimposed over the footage it signaled that the S3 reality of the show is a fabrication, a dream.

Coop knows that SO he without pause exits the scene AND enters the lodge again where MIKE welcomes him with the magician's chant, which conveys to us and Coop that he is now a lodge spirit and can use the full range of abilities the lodge has to offer.

He goes to talk to Phillip and moves to a different part of the "dream". The dream reality is flexible and in flux and can be changed and rippled and so on. He does that but fails to snap Laura out of it. He basically needs for her to exit the dream as well since that solves his particular main task.

He fails at that since another major player (the Experiment) intervenes.

Then he goes back to the lodge to try again. We see him opening curtains with a commanding twirling motion of his hand, suggesting he already knows how to use the lodge magic.

But at this point things are a bit weird.

The two people you see driving at night are Richard and Linda. Richard and Linda drive to a hotel. Linda sees a vision of another version of herself standing by the hotel. This is Linda seeing a vision of Diane, not the other way around. Diane and Coop are trying to enter their world. Then Richard and Linda have sex. When Coop wakes up in a different hotel that is actually the real Cooper.

Sex scene kind of suggests some sex magic ritual since they're so cold and methodical about it, but even afterwards Coop doesn't seem to concerned about where Diane went, like she means nothing to him.

Coop from then on acts like he knows it's all a dream reality and doesn't particularly care about finesse and wants just to get the job done the most efficient way possible.

The end, again, suggests the Experiment trumps his powers and can alter reality faster than Coop can react and anticipate for it.

>>87322355
He almost killed Sherrif Truman. Ray Monroe was the seemingly bad character who turned out or be good and helping the FBI the whole time though. Truly /pur guy/.

Is Annie ok?

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>>87322426
cooper cucked windom earle, which explains why earle was so angry at him
you have to give him that

>>87322355
Is Mr. C even dead in that scene or is he just all "fuck it" and letting himself get roasted?

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>there was at least one person in the world who got LYNCHED so hard that they grabbed the rope and literally LYNCHED themselves

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These issues are undefendable
>no set design, feels empty and lifeless
>no interesting ideas for storylines and generally bad writing
>relies on gimmicks only instead
>those are unoriginal or just bad, unfortunately ("fuck you, albert", glove, andy and lucy, coordinates, riddles, ...)
>bad acting (Bell, Lynch, Horse, Robertson, Dern, ...)
>dull characters (one-dimensional at best)
>storylines and characters are introduced for no purpose
>everything is supposed to weirdly connect and make sense
>shot in digital in a way that doesn't compensate for the technology's disadvantages (looks bad)
>roadhouse scenes (out of place, badly shot, the songs, the bands, the extras, ...)
>student-tier storytelling/editing (characters are shown walking up complete sets of stairs)
>stretched out needlessly, long takes have no particular effect
>obviously delusional and/or inexperienced fanbase perceiving it as particularly meaningful, complex or "deep"
>can't compare to the original series that doesn't have those problems (coherent/complex and beautiful sets, costumes and make-up/well shot/well acted/well written/magnificent multi-dimensional characters and character relations, music, storylines and gimmicks/creates a unique athmosphere as a result, changing the world of television forever whereas "the return" neither manages to do something established really good nor to invent something new)
>extended pitch black scenes because of a lack of a competent cinematographer
>audio issues with microphone static left unaddressed because of poor sound design
>extremely poor editing with magically disappearing extras and production staff accidentally walking into frame (Diner ending, Gordon's dream)
>somehow the best thing in tv history

>>87322462
>From the moment BOB gets defeated and Coop's face starts to get superimposed over the footage it signaled that the S3 reality of the show is a fabrication, a dream.
The face appears when Cooper looks at Naido, not when they defeat BOB.
There must be some significance behind this.

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>>87322462

This would explain why Jeffries has been in hiding and other take hosts while coop is is still trying to seemingly save everyone himself.

Also, for the people still confused about the year. If you were to stop reading this and go to Odessa, Texas right now and look at the sign this is exactly what it would look like. The next population census is in 2020.

Mrs. Tremond is also a lodge spirit. She has the power to override the contents and owner of a house just like her pseudonym, Mrs. Chalfont. The man she was talking to off-screen was her grandson, not some husband.

>Why was she saving them from Sarah Palmer? Sarah Palmer leaked through at the end. The Double R is intact.

Pic related is the moment we are told by Lynch directly that the "reality" of S3 we've seen thus far is a dream. In essence all of the "real world" of Twin Peaks is a dream and you awake from it by going to the lodge and becoming an inhabiting spirit there.

The overall dream is likely dreamt by the Fireman, who was shown to be floating in a passive, sleeping pose while doing his magic stuff.

The Experiment is a nightmare entity intruding upon that dream.

Audrey's situation in S3 is a microcosm of that.
She is existing in her own dream where some entity is providing her with what she needs and keeping her under lock and key, more or less. Once you become aware it's a dream it turns sinister.

Coop, after reaching Odessa, realizes that too. The dream is now friendly, its inhabitants are not worth his time and effort and he needs to simply complete the task to end it.

That's why he's very cautious, why he uses extreme violence against those rude fellas, why he doesn't care about the corpse and why he doesn't really waste time talking to not-Laura - who will wake up screaming at the end of episode.

None of it matters, it's all a fabrication. All he needs to do is snap her out of it and deliver her to the lodge.

>>87321127
Apparently the music when Cooper and Diane have sex is the same as the music for the creature that crawled into the girl's (young Sarah Palmer) mouth.

>>87322464
euthanasia, truman wanted to die because all he does is look at fish jpgs and get yelled at by his wife

do we have the credits music yet? it's so haunting.

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post yfw when this happened

sex ritual theory is redditcore

>FWWM shows how the past affects the Future and how the Future affects the past
>The Black Lodge ruling itself outside of the Time-Space Continuum
>"see you in 25 years"
>Major Briggs body unaffected by time
>Scenes showing Cooper traveling into the past
>Future changed after saving Laura
>"WHICH YEAR IS IT?"

>"HURR DURR IT WAS ALL A DREAM, NOT A TIME TRAVEL"

Stop being retarded.

>>87322385
a dream for ants

But then who was on the phone to Mr. C impersonating Phillip Jeffries in Part 2?

>people actually mad that it was all a dream despite that being the case in all of Lynch's works

>>87322502
>all those anons saying they will hang themselves after the finale
>haven't heard from them since
Y-you think they did it?

>>87322385
how did this happen

So whatever happened to Donna after season 2? Did she just move away from Twin Peaks?

>>87322387
Diane thing explained:

>they crossed over
>probably something to the tune of they were estranged lovers in this new dimension, and staying at the motor court was one last chance at getting back together
>"Diane" now "Linda," wasn't feeling the love anymore with "Dale" now "Richard," so bounced out of the room before he woke up, leaving him the Dear John letter.
>"Diane" no longer exists, and is just this Linda person.
>Unfortunately "Richard" still remembers that he was "Dale"

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>>87322502

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>people taking the whole DREAM theme that's been part of the show, and Lynch work, since the original run so literally now

What was up with Laura scream at the end?

I know a lot of people think Coop and Laura are trapped in a different reality,but Laura's scream at the end seemed to "turn off" everything.

My own theory is this is Laura's dream. When she says she saw Coop in a dream,that ending was actually a dream (nightmare) and after Laura screamed,she woke up and proceeded to die.

Bear with me here because it's hard to explain but what if the whole scenario in which Cooper met Laura in FWWM was actually a forgotten reality but Laura just perceived it as a dream? It would make sense as to why Laura said she saw Cooper in a dream.

>>87322582
probably briggs

>none of the original cast died

I'm still surprised.

>>87322517
She helped Coop to come "back" to TwinPeaksS3-first-universe.

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Did the sheriff's department scene happen inside Cooper's dream? We see Coop shout for Gordon and vice versa, and then there's whooshing sounds and the screen fades to black. Similar to how it fades to back when Laura wakes up at the end of part 18. Just before it happened, the superimposed Cooper face said that "We live inside a dream".

Did Coop succeed at the end? Laura is alive...

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>>87322327
>yfw this was Windoms next move

>>87322454
just some dreamy shit for the purpose of giving an original Twin Peaks vibe.

Not everything has to make sense.

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>>87322554

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>>87322554

that was depressing

If Diane/Linda Coop/Richard crossed over
to dimension where Judy or Giant took Laura Palmer and brainfucked her

Why did Coop stay in there and not drive back to where he skipped universes?

>>87322560
>>"WHICH YEAR IS IT?"
He is grasping for an explanation. Him fucking up is the last thing he'll think about

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>>87322554

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>>87322554
it was dark in my room

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>>87322464
This. Why is no one talking about how based ray was redeemed? Quite literally OUR GUY and Mr C killed him.

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post yfw you realize lynch ripped off inception with all this dream shit

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>>87322554

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Holy shit guys I got it.

Something (either the fireman or the mother) brought Cooper and laura in to OUR reality. As in real life reality. Hence why the owner of laura palmer's house is the real owner of the palmer house. Hence why the double r diner is still intact. Hence why there is no twin peaks sign. Hence why everything is played completely straight. No music. No dreamlike stuff (other than the ending but that is to imply that the lodge spirits are real).

The idea that the lodge spirits exist in reality is lynch telling us that our idea of reality is only a dream and also playing on the idea of unreality and reality merging through mediums such as film.

Cooper and Laura are fiction characters living in our real world. They exist because they have been dreamed up. They are as real as you or me.

Holy shit guys I got it.

Something (either the fireman or the mother) brought Cooper and laura in to OUR reality. As in real life reality. Hence why the owner of laura palmer's house is the real owner of the palmer house. Hence why the double r diner is still intact. Hence why there is no twin peaks sign. Hence why everything is played completely straight. No music. No dreamlike stuff (other than the ending but that is to imply that the lodge spirits are real).

The idea that the lodge spirits exist in reality is lynch telling us that our idea of reality is only a dream and also playing on the idea of unreality and reality merging through mediums such as film.

Cooper and Laura are fiction characters living in our real world. They exist because they have been dreamed up. They are as real as you or me.

>>87322726
What did I miss? How was Ray good?

>>87322460
Assuming there is no season 4 or movie

>>87322732
>implying inception didn't rip off paprika

>>87322658
>windom dresses up as disheveled gambler
>windom dresses up as gym set delivery man
>windom dresses up as pissfu
>windom dresses up as david koechner

>>87322582

Sarah possessed by Judy, explains why Jeffries told Cooper 'you've already met Judy'

Also on the phone she said 'I missed you in New York', just after the white figure appears in the box.

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>>87322554

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>>87322554
literally

>>87322766
>implying paprika didnt rip off twin peaks

>>87322735
So can I fuck Laura in real life?

>>87322690
Yeah. I enjoyed the ride but I figured we'd get a little more resolution than we did. inb4 "LOL IT'S LYNCH WHAT DID YOU EXPECT"
I think that leaving things to interpretation is a powerful artistic tool but I think Lynch went a little too far with it. The ending didn't feel satisfying.

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>>87322764
Cole said they got a tip about Mr C wanting Coordinates from a man called "Ray Monroe"

>>87322756
Na that's what Inland Empire was about

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>>87322554

>>87322583
That's the oldest most cliche trope in tv. Can't believe a lot of fans are sucking his cock for this hack job of an ending.

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>Jow-day

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>>87322690

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>OH HERRO
spin-off when

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>tfw this season was literally live action Serial Experiments Lain till the very end

Why did Dale's old room in the great northern teleport him to the past? Why was there a huge time gap between that scene and the previous? Also, was anyone else sad when they realized the reason Albert wasn't there for the goodbye scene was because it was filmed after he passed away?

>>87322735
>>87322756
>>>reddit

>>87322622
Laura is alive in the prime dimension. That was her waking up from the dream, which is why everything - including Cooper - was consigned to oblivion the moment she woke up, just like a typical dream. The shout she heard was Sarah calling her downstairs to get breakfast, since she was now home, alive and well on the day she was once murdered.

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Nearly everything has already been answered and all the general is now is the same people reposing the same pasta asking the same questions over and over even though they have already been answered. Extremely condensed answers follow;

>Cooper and Carrie Page are in 2017 (multiple confirmation from screenshots, such as gas prices)
>Carrie is a completely different person who has lived a completely different life
>Audrey is in a coma. Every Audrey scene takes place inside her own mind
>Annie was murdered by Dopplecoop after he raped Audrey and burned down Briggs office
>Sarah Palmer is possessed by Jow-Daeh, she always has been since she was a child
>The girl in episode eight is young Sarah Palmer
>The two people driving the car at night are Richard and Linda, not Dale and Diane
>When Linda sees the vision of Diane at the motel that is Diane and Coop starting to enter their world. After this Richard and Linda have sex, then Coop wakes up in the other hotel
>Jow-Daeh stabs the picture in fury because Cooper helped Laura escape her death
>Cooper travels to the lodge, then to the real world 1988, then back to the lodge to rescue the real Diane, then to the new real world reality rescuing Laura created
>Mike was never good and the lodge spirits have always been advancing their own plans involving Laura, not helping Cooper
>Carrie screams at the end because memories from Laura's reality are coming back to her

For expanded versions of these answers and more simply watch the show. It's all on the screen.

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>>87322426
why does Lynch associate stupidity with goodness?

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>>87322554

>>87322764
He was an FBI informant all along.

>Coop and Laura are both wide awake in Judy's nightmare dreamt up for them to suffer in.
>Right now they're burning in there.

>>87322801
>implying twin peaks didn't rip off eraserhead

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all those coin tricks

FOR NOTHING

>>87322355
>Cooper wanted to kill two birds with one stone (Judy, BOB, with Laura stone)
>Giant told him how to (430 miles, Richard and Linda)
>ZOMG HE FUCKED UP

>>87322801
>>87322766
>>87322732

I should just let all you under-aged fags know that Star Trek did it first in Deep Space Nine.

>>87322387
Agree, I would add this other dimension is a place where Black Lodge spirits run free, that is why those cowboys felt so confused when a good spirit saved the waitress

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>>87322626
Joking?

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What did the kettle mean by this?

>>87322801
Implying this ending isn't ripping off ubik

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So by all rights it "should've" ended in the middle of ep17 when Glove Lad destroyed BOB, right? That was all that 'needed' to be done, and if it things had've been left there then Coop would been free from lodge, Diane saved and everyone else would be fine(ish). It would've been a happy ending.

But instead Coop spoiled it be being dumb and/or naive and thinking that he could save Laura from death too, and so he fucked reality and sealed his fate in doing so?

Is that the gist of it /tpg/? I am so confused.

>>87322664
GOOLD?

Everyone seems to have overlooked this part but how fucking genius was Lynch regarding the whole Laura and James scene in FWWM?

When Laura screamed when she saw Cooper was actually in the original movie. That's fucking scary to think that he had thought it out that far even since FWWM was being made. It was always something that puzzled me when Laura screamed and I just chalked it up to a BOB hallucination but the truth is so genius. We don't deserve Lynch.

>>87322638
The way he shouts for Gordon is the exact same inflection and everything as in FWWM. I noticed it immediately.

>>87322874
He still cucked Bobby

>>87322554
what happened? I was fucking sleepy and honestly bored by this point. I heard Sarah calling Laura and Lauras scream but was there something happening in the house?

>>87322845
WRONG.

Nothing about the ending indicates that the call is waking her up in 1989 FWWM / E1 of TP S1. Nothing. It's just a memory trigger.

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>>87322554

>>87322813
>lynch never repeats themes and ideas

nigga have you even seen lost highway and mulholland drive? They're the same film.

>>87322626
>Log Lady
ur beet

>>87322893

Pacifism does not necessarily mean allowing yourself to be killed

>>87322664
>actor is dead but write them into the show
>first shot is a silly still of his head floating through time
>next it's a CGI version of his chunky, post military body
>after that it's another squished still of his head floating

Way to respect the dead, Lynch.

>>87322953
This.

>>87322896
David Bowie is all oiled up.

>>87322915
That entire scene of Cooper being in the past is fucking godly television. Especially de-aging Sheryl Lee so seamlessly

WHY IS EVERYONE SO SURE COOPER IS UNABLE TO GO BACK

>>87322896
He was boiling a cup-a-soup while he's in that bell kettle, he spilled the soup and it got slippery

>>87322756

>The real owner of Laura Palmer's house not recognizing the name Sarah Palmer when Coop asks for her and saying "Oh they shot that show here"
>The real owner of Laura Palmer's house not recognizing the actors from the show who rented her house who she has met in real life

Yeah, you're dumb.

>>87322327
Twin Peaks is a load of disjointed garbage, David Lynch has simply chucked any idea he could think of and mangled it up in an effort to make it appear mysterious when in reality it's simply a ruse for a lack of plot, that's why there's so many long drawn out scenes it's filler to last 18 episodes. Anyone trying to defend this is either completely hoodwinked by David Lynch or trying to pretend it's profound though in actuality projecting the pretentious sweet spot of trap bait /tv/ goes for.

Reminder the ending confirms that good can triumph over evil with BOB being completley destroyed in all time and space and Judy shitting herself that Coop (Now a magician like Mike) is coming for her and there is nothing she can do to stop him

>>87322664
reminded me of old flash games, was tempted to try clicking on one of their heads lol

>tfw Sheryl literally RRREEEEE'd at the end

>>87322845
Explain her disappearing when Coop was leading her through the woods.

I can't stop thinking about the finale help.

>>87322915
Yeah it was brilliant. He made his masterpiece, magnum opus.

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>>87322554

i was spooked this is literally how nightmares feel. you dont know what happens its just spooky.

>>87322664
this was the only time I got lynched

i couldnt stop laughing

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>>87322554
>>87322554

>>87323073
That's because of this:

>>87323041

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>>87322554

>>87323041

Lynched

Read a book you dumb fag

Why did cole see Laura that one time when he opened the door.

>>87322953
You're stupid. The entire reality she was "in" went black, and shut off like a light, just as if you were coming out of a dream. She was woken up by her mother, it's that simple. She was living inside a dream. Don't be dense

>>87322692
Like Diane said to him, they had no idea how much would be different. Cooper, rather foolishly, assumed that Sarah would be there waiting for them.

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>>87323026

>>87323037
yeah except shes also a lodge spirit.

Again, it plays in to the idea that our reality is only a dream.

Maybe you're just literally too dumb to get it.

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Windom Earle really did teach Cooper everything he knew. Both thought they could out-smart the Lodges in their own way. Cooper failed to learn from Earle's mistake.

Really makes you think.

>>87322915
That scene is the first time anything in film or tv has ever literally made my jaw drop. The whole thing just felt impossible.

>>87323044
This. Judy ran away from Palmer house. That bitch scared yo

>>87322915
>When Laura screamed when she saw Cooper was actually in the original movie.
Doesn't really work. Why would he be there during the movie and not safe her?

>>87322907

this ending felt fake even before the timeline alterations started. Mulholland Drive was a wish fulfillment dream, so perhaps The Return was a dream, as well. a fantasy of cooper's as his mind remains in the black lodge, a dream where he awakens and fixes everything, even though evil has won and evil always will win.

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Is the actress of Audrey actually retarded or just pretending?

http://www.strawpoll.me/13862361

>>87322756
but tremond and Chalfont are character names from the show.

boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past

>>87323001
I definitely agree. It's just a funny image.

>>87323136

No I got it.

You are retarded.

Already starting to really hate the theories out there that claim Judy was the one that "pulled" Laura away from Cooper that night.

It wasn't Judy, it was a consequence of Cooper intervening and altering the story, she had to disappear that night, pulling her out solves nothing.

it's confirmed
lynch is a hack

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rewatching FWWM and I really forgot just how good the original Phillip Jeffries scene is. Maybe one of the most unsettling and disorienting scenes in all of Twin Peaks. The moment you hear the anxiety in Cooper's voice as he yells out to Gordon, you know everything is going wrong.

>>87323138
Let's be honest it would've fucking owned if Windom Earle turned up somehow for one scene. Like Leland did.

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>>87322509

>>87322953
>gets triggered my memory
>THE WHOLE WORLD INEXPLICABLY GOES DARK!!!!

yeah no, it's more likely she was in a dream, then woke up.

>>87322835
HOLY FUCKING SHIT!

COOP DOES THAT SHAKY HAND SHIT HE DID IN THE LODGE TO OPEN A NEW DOOR.

WHY THE FUCK DID HE RAISE HIS HAND LIKE THAT AS IF TO FEEL THE AIR? RIGHT AT THE END?

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>>87323151
I don't think she's happy with how the return ended either.

>>87323151
still better than that singer reeeeeing after being lynched

That ending depressed the fuck out of me and gave me stress nightmares. Now I feel full of life and vigorous as fuck. I fucking loved that ending. It gave me a new lease on life.

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>>87323153
but what if it's present

50 MILLION

50 MILLION

FOR IT WAS ALL A DREAM

>>87323151
retarded

>>87323187
No you are a pleb

>>87323190
in my opinion bowie would have been a stellar actor if he ever completely pursued it.

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>>87323204
It's actually the disoriented walk that Jeffries did in FWWM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMszCiYdtts

>>87322950

You are an idiot

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>>87322554

>>87322519
If the only thing that can beat Judy is Laura, and Judy is in the house as Sarah Palmer (but stifled by the Tremonds / Chalfonts) then Cooper has set the final battle in motion. Judy cannot win. Plus they have Tremond/Chalfont backup.

Mrs. Tremond has always been a powerful ally, always a force for good. She doesn't even like creamed corn.

>>87323190
Bowie was easily one of the best actors. His stage personas were characters that he played out. He should have been on film stage more. He was great in that Nolan film too.

>>87323217
It is always present

BROKE:
>Cooper tried to save Laura and got trapped in an alternate reality

WOKE
>Cooper and Diane escaped their reality in Twin Peaks and got transported to a better reality where they were both young again and married each other and this lived happily ever after (Blue Velvet) while Doppelganger Cooper got trapped with Doppelganger Laura in alternative reality (Hell)

Face it bros. No matter what way you look at it,Blue Velvet is the sequel to season 3. There's a reason why Laura Dern was casted as Diane.

>>87323182
>muh 11/22/63 logic

no. what kind of retard are you that you're expecting a conventional outlook in twin peaks? sounds to me like you got LYNCHED™

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hey
anyone else remember when mike nelson came back?
that was pretty cool

>>87323190
great scene but FWWM edit was so retarded, why the hell did they combine those scenes

>>87323204
I was under the impression that he thought he could "find his way" like he did in the lodge, but it was fruitless this time around.

>>87323151
Kek. How can someone misinterpret Nietzsche that badly?

>>87323293
damn...

>>87322874
>/our guy/ only had one real scene

I'm still mad

>>87323143
>Finally get connection to another world after being alone floating around a void for so long meaninglessly
>Begin exerting your influence on said world because you're powerful as fuck
>Get BTFO by an FBI agent
Judy confirmed for weak shit

>>87323197
>>87323197

WHO DO YOU THINK THAT IS THERE

>>87323013
Just before he asks what year it is he tries to open the lodge curtains, but ends up just waving his hand around in thin air. Earlier we saw him able to do it just by rippling his hand and willing them open without even touching them. To me that looks like he's trapped.

>>87323296
Yes hello I am David Lynch and I'd like to congratulate you on solving the mystery.

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Friendly reminder that it's been confirmed that Eddie Vedder recorded a song that plays during an episode of Twin Peaks finale. It confirms Vedderposters were right. (Pic is evil Cooper)
Listen https://youtu.be/pXth84G7dkM

>>87322857
Not a new trope. It's the whole point of Parsifal, for example.

>>87323275
How has she taken over SP(J) house?

>>87323204
The shaky hand thing was established a third of the way through season 2. it's how you leave the lodge when the stars align correctly

>>87323296
Real life is Hell?

>>87323124
To make us wonder about it. As much as I love this show, I'm starting to think that Lynch has just made it as full of meaningless stuff as possible so that we'll be debating and analyzing it for years.
Sometimes I really wonder if Lynch even knows what's going on.

>>87323296
Kek. Best theory so far.

>>87322885
Hi Mike

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>>87323377
Vedderchecked those double dubs of truth.

i got btfo by lynch

>>87323315
that must be his twin brother, bobby killed mike

will someone upload their tp image folder? i've been too lazy to save everything

>>87322756
>season 4 for is Cooper going to Hollywood with Laura to try and beg Mark Frost and David Lynch to make another season of Twin Peaks so they can return to there world
would watch

>>87323366
Dear 4chan Friends, I can confirm this is not me, please do not believe this poster.

>>87323431
Literally half the movies no days all stem from some episode of star trek

>>87323204
He thought he was still in the lodge after sarah not being in her own fucking house.

He was confused as fuck and tried to get out of there as it was apparent he was not in his world. The fact that there was no curtain shows that he wasnt in the lodge at all.

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>>87323457
Sure, have this rare pic for free.

The more I think about this season in toto, I think it was a sixteen-hour prologue to a one-hour episode and a one-hour epilogue, more or less. I feel its purpose was to show us that we are all trapped in a mindset rooted in 20th century narrative, and something more random and multi-track is closer to the mark. We know we've hit the coordinates when we begin to feel uncomfortable. When Cooper asks "What year is this?" I don't think he's asking what year he's inhabiting; rather, he's questioning our expectations of the narrative, our demands for clarity and a happy ending - even a satisfying reunion. Why did we want to go back to a murder scene? What did we want to undo? Or do? Were these characters not supposed to change? When Cooper's America suddenly consisted of the names of Ukrainian cities and foreign businesses, where going for breakfast can suddenly turn into an old West shootout, I think Lynch's purpose is plain - this IS the America we now I habit. He is showing us our world through THEY LIVE glasses, as it were. What Cooper may suddenly be inhabiting outside the Palmer house is a place we've not previously seen in this series - namely, reality.

>>87323467
also Bernie Sanders YAY!!!!!!

>>87323109
So, Jefferies is confirmed for the eternal /our guy/ right?

>is David Bowie
>gets bored of human existence and turns into a tea kettle
>won't talk about Judy because he knows it'll make the timelines all retarded and end up LYNCHING the viewers at home

based

>>87323437
Lynch basically did to all of us what Leland did to Laura, so now whenever we think of the show we will always have the trauma of what he did to us.

>>87322622
How the fuck you gone wake up dead

either you die in your sleep or you wake up alive

you can't wake up as a dead person

Why was everybody anticipating Belushi being garbage?

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Old show:
>quirky characters based on soap opera archetypes with a dark secret
>cooper uses charm, mysticism and wit to travel through the case and find clues, always fascinated with the beauty and simplicity of life in Twin Peaks
>focuses on the relationship between the inhabitants, and how there is a dark force under the facade of country life
>episodes consist of a mix of soap opera parody, slice of life, investigation and serialized thriller with very occasional interspersed mystical elements that seem unique to the town of Twin Peaks

New Show:
>gimmicky, one-note characters with no real basis or consistency, serving the role they are supposed to serve and showing no personal traits, and often times being portrayed by pretty ladies giving mediocre reads in lieu of good acting
>cooper uses boring, monotone, commanding voice to get people to do things instead of being likable or polite, and never shows any real emotions
>focuses on absolutely nothing, clumsily traveling from scene to scene and segment to segment, which often consists of silence or static shots that never go anywhere and don't add anything, with only a handful of episodes actually advancing the plot forward
>episodes consist of nothing but mysticism, silence, characters that pretend to know what is going on but never explain it or elaborate under any cirmustances, dream-like logic interspersed with awful, hacky dialogue or physical """comedy"""

Season 3 is fucking awful meme-level tier TV, so of course this fucking board is going to go all in with 2 deep 4 u bullshit. lynched btw

>>87323417
I don't think he cares what we do. I think he's just entertaining himself.

>>87323366
i wouldn't even be surprised if lynch was shitposting here

>>87322464
Did Gordon tell Ray to kill coop despite not knowing that there are 2 of them?

>>87323487
How had the Tremond's taken over Sarah Palmer's (who is possessed by Juden) house?

How did they not recognize Dale Cooper?

Episode 17 would have been the better ending

So is season 4 happening or what?

>>87323190
we have fun here but it's a sick scene and a sick character. even now as a teapot.

>>87323215

How?

It is such a depressing ending.

>>87323555
trips confirm

With all these it was a dream fags I think Lynch will either do another season/movie to wrap things up.

>>87323533
I think we are his entertainment.

>>87323522
because he's always been an ugly reminder that the wrong brother died

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>>87323555

This ending made me want to hang myself

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What was the point of this character and her bf?

>>87323497
big if true

What do you think Lynch was doing last night? Do you think he read the reactions online last night?

>>87323274
same

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>>87323555
Vedderchecking those sweet trips.

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>>87323531
Hahahaha

KYLED
Y
L
E
D

If Carrie's scream at the end does indicate that it was all perceived as a dream of Laura's and she woke up at the sound of her mother calling her on Feb 24th 1989 does that mean the ending was positive in a bittersweet way?

If BOB was destroyed then presumably Leland wouldn't be raping her, the bad memories would just feel like a nightmare, and all the original TP characters would exist as they always had done (Pete going fishing, Josie in her room, etc).

It means Coop was sadly wiped from existence, but the ending was a net good, right?

>>87323560
It doesn't need to. We know from the ending that no matter how much Judy tries to stop Cooper and Laura from banishing her they will continue to keep going until they eventually find her and BTFO her back to the void she came from

History will not be kind to this season. It will be remembered as worse than Season 2.

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>DOUGIE IS COOPER? HOW THE HELL IS THIS?

Why does everyone have such a problem with these dream-related theories? Was Blue Velvet, Mulholland Drive, and 50 reiterations of "WE LIVE INSIDE A DREAM" not enough for you? It doesn't have to be something as literal as "lol Richard was dreaming up some ol bullshit and it's all irrelevant now"

>>87323531
>cooper uses boring, monotone, commanding voice to get people to do things instead of being likable or polite, and never shows any real emotions
bait, but give me one (1) example of Dale Cooper doing this

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>>87323549
>who is possessed by Juden
>Juden

>>87323640
Jerking off to his millions thanks to suckers like you.

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>>87323513

No, we all know who the true /ourguy/ is.

>>87323661
It doesn't indicate her waking up, it indicates her remembering and destroying the AU that judy created (represented by the electricity in the house going out)

>>87323296
This is my favorite theory so far

Always wanted to believe that Cooper and Jeffery were the same character

>>87323574
It is depressing as fuck, but it is the first show in a super long time that has made me feel something so visceral and raw. It's incredible. It is literally affecting the way I live my life. It will always be part of me. I can't explain it, but it's made me feel more excited about life, because it made me feel something so powerfully. I'm not even joking, this shit affected me.

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>>87323676
How does it feel to be so wrong, I wonder.

>>87323691
"Write down the address."

>>87323661
Laura woke up in that moment. Just like Richard turned to Dale Cooper when he had had sex. She didn't wake up in episode 1 or in FWWM. She woke up in that moment.

I can't help but see the Return as just a fun ride. To me Twin Peaks will always be seasons 1 and 2 capped off by FWWM. It's been fun, but all the Frosty lore is just annoying. At least the Return ended in a spooky way, so that's alright. Dougie was fun.

cooper...had a hard life

>>87323262
IT IS HAPPENING AGAIN

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I would give my life to reverse the aging of the TP actors

>>87322454

What is there to explain you fucking tripfag idiot? Audrey was put into a coma from the bank explosion, got brain damage and is now in a mental ward.

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Why exactly did Michael Onkeat not want to reprise his role?

Every scene with Detective Truman-No-Not-That-One-The-Other-One-By-The-Way-Give-My-Regards-To-Your-Brother was really awkward and unsatisfying.

>>87323705
always thought it was a tough break having that happen in that shade of khakis

>>87323764
The end of Frost and Lynch's lore was kino. It's a cosmic horror story where instead of the characters just giving up and going insane, they continue to fight no matter how long it takes.

>>87322838
My two favourite tv shows desu

>>87323633
Both are dead. Just showing that Twin Peaks is the same as ever. Tons of drugs, drama and murder.

So Becky's death and Audrey being crazy were both intentional blueballs?

>>87323297
No the judy shit is conventional and stupid.

the ultimate point of the finale isn't that Judy trapped Laura in some alternate dimension, it's that she couldn't be saved, her traumas cannot be erased and Cooper's efforts were nil. He went there looking for answers but realized there is none, in his efforts to try and save her, he only made things worse. You can't undo the past, Laura will always be the girl that got abused and raped, no amount of intervention is going to undo it.

>>87323661
Her scream was the realization that her past will never leave her. That, in the end, she'll always be traumatized by her past. To me, it has less to do with any actual plot related shit, but just a meta reaction to the idea that she will never have closure no matter what.

>>87322838
more like paranoia agent desu

>>87323797

He prefers his current job working in a tollbooth

>>87323794
Why were we shown that then if it's completely irrelevant? It wasn't entertaining.

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>>87323788
LFB was perfect in the 90s

>>87323633
none

I wish Lynch had left her out completely, I actually liked her and Steven's story, pretty disappointed it amounted to literally nothing

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Rate the episodes.
no bully pls

>>87322822
But its not a dream in the literal sense. No one is having the dream. Are people this retarded? Its a dream in the sense that existence itself is a dream, a reality created by consciousness to house consciousness. The dreamer that dreams and lives inside the dream. Its so much more that one person, its existence as a whole. The dream and reality are inseparable, expect by death, or, now, contact with the lodge

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>>87323531
>cooper uses boring, monotone, commanding voice to get people to do things instead of being likable
stopped right there friend

We can all be glad Donna didn't come back though. She literally messed up every mystery she tried to solve.

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What do you guys think the function of the 'kettles' are? The White Lodge seems to house many of them, maybe even manufacture them.

Jeffries's dialogue in Part 17 seems to suggest that it houses his physical embodiment (slippery in here). The way they light up when Dopplecoop is being transported to Twin Peaks makes it out like they're used as teleportation devices, or at least help power teleporting

>>87323824
It's just the bullshit in the books and audiobooks that annoys me. They really don't do much but make sure Mark Frost still has an income.

>>87323843
I mean, I don't see how it would've contributed anything if it was outright explained for you. Seemed pretty heavily implied that both things were the case. Actually showing it would be Lost-tier and corny.

i'm depressed af

>>87323797
Forster should just play Harry Truman desu senpai. It was pointless and awkward.

>>87323875
>ep 8 is the second lowest episode
i know it's overrated but wtf is wrong with some people

>>87323465
The League of Gentleman's Apocalypse?

>>87323797
he most likely got lynched just like the midget and julie cruise but he just can't figure out how facebook works yet

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>>87323869
....to this

>>87323684
The good thing about Twin Peaks was that it had Lynch's quirk as a baseline and then was carried on by people who actually knew how to write a show and make compelling and interesting to watch. If I wanted to watch Lynch being a hack by making weird shit just because its weird, rather than it leading up to anything of substance, I'd just watch his shit movies.

Maybe this season with open some eyes around here.

>>87323907
Yeah don't read frosts books, they aren't needed at all desu

>>87323949
>what an homunculus

>>87323937
That's an intentional recurring thing though. Dopplegangers, relatives, copies of the same person. I thought it was a great way to do a character recasting and have it fit thematically.

>>87323903
those weren't kettles

Is this the dream?

how did cooper know the freddie's name?

>>87323946
I do not subscribe to the notion that art can be over or under rated because it brings too much of a materialistic value and outlook to experiecing art which should be transcendental

Are we living inside a dream anons?

>>87323903
Allow Judys victims to continue existing maybe, it could be that chet is also in another one and maybe audrey too?

>>87323903
This whole show takes place in the human brain. Black lodge is the subconscious part of the brain, that's why everyone talks backwards there. The kettle thing has something to do with memories, like a hippocampus.

>>87323843
Both plotlines help you see reality. Yes, Shelly and Bobby got together and had a kid. Yes, here's Audrey just living her life as usual. But deep down, no, Bobby and Shelly had a kid, separated and she became a drug addict who got murdered by her boyfriend who also killed himself.

Audrey is still fucked from the bank explosion, you don't know how, but that's the way it is. This is how the future is, nothing stays the same or progresses in the way you expect it to. It's pretty kino frankly.

>>87324015
You mean the ones in the White Lodge?

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>>87322502
>>87322612

>>87323903
always assumed it harnessed and manipulated electricity which is how lodgers travel though time in place. like that's Jeffries in the kettle but the kettle isn't necessarily Jeffries. it's just his manifestation and he comes and goes.

Episode 18 felt like being in the rim of a bottomless pit and getting your guts twisted when you gaze into it.
Now that was cosmicism, and H.P. Lovecraft has nothing on it.

>>87323517

Damn! that's some quantum shit right there, man! You should be teaching classes!

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>>87323971
Lynch is brilliant and you make yourself sound stupid by dismissing his other work. It sounds like you were more interested in a color-by-numbers soap opera or murder mystery than anything Lynch would ever make. You don't go into one of his works expecting a standard narrative, you just don't.

So was the other dimension some kind of parallel universe or a spirit world? Why the fuck can't they remember who they are? Does going to another world cause you to lose your memories?

>>87324019

Cooper was conspiring a plan with Mike and The Fireman for some time while stuck in the lodge. Freddie was a part of that plan.

suicidal fampai

>>87324045
Oh and "electricity" you constantly hear is just the brain synapses firing off.

>>87324019
it's assumed that the Fireman gave him a lore/prophecy dump at some point

however all that info somehow STILL doesn't help him in ep 18

>>87324034
no but that's what lynch wants you to think

>>87323214
Who?

>>87324085
>Infinity rating for each episode.
What did he mean by this?

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BOB Meteor vs. One-Punch Lad boxing match was completely stupid, glad Part 18 happened

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>>87323946
second lowest?
There's many more that are lower than episode 8

>>87324062
More like gazing into an empty bottle of booze and realising youre not drunk and you have no more booze.

>>87324131
>that episode 18 bar
nice.

>>87323633
Same reason Francesca Eastwood and Chrysta Bell (ugly) was cast. Because Lynch is not soft where it matters.

>>87324131
>the final episode has been the least liked episode by the masses so i have to be extra contrarian and give it the highest rating

stop

>Lynch will pass away now

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>>87324131

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>>87323903
wait so was this Jeffries too?

>>87324011
>literally everything Lynch does is brilliant and groundbreaking

>>87324200
IT DOESN'T GET ANY BLUER

It initially left me feeling utterly depressed and empty. On one hand, I want more. Another movie or miniseries to undo the gut punch. On the other though, it reminds me of The Sopranos ending, which I've grown to appreciate over time.

>>87323797
Because it was funnier seeing people who were literally dying comment on how they hope he pulls through. Lynch must hate him to write that shit in.

Who are you excited to see more of in Season 4? I'm hoping for more Red, and also the tall military bitch.

>>87324188
not being contrarian, it was my favorite.

>>87324203
It does not matter a single shit.

>>87324203
No, that kettle is Chet Desmond.

>>87323633
Drugz r bad

>>87324203
that was Chet Desmond

I FEEL EMPTY

>>87324234
Holy fuck I just realized this.

What a fucking mad hatter

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>>87323366
This softy isn't me, I'm hard in all the right places.

So what was it that was "in our house now"?

>>87324269
let me fill that void boy

>>87324230
this

I was pissed at how Lynched I was for about an hour

then I came to /tpg/ and got calm

bravo Lynch, much interpretations

>>87324203
Yes, he threw Naido over the side cause he's an ass.

>>87323853
>>87323753
so she's stuck in another reality where everyone she ever knew/experienced as Laura doesn't exist, the same as Dale? With the added traumatic rape memories of course.

There's no silver-lining at all? ;_;

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>>87324116

>>87323903
That ain't the white lodge, kid

>>87324269
ME TOO

ive been feeling like a friend has died today; totally drained.

I loved the ending though, and keep liking it more and more the more i think about it,

>>87324153
Dang

>>87324217
I feel like you have no idea what Lynch's filmmaking is about. He is legitimately one of the best, if not the best American Filmmaker working today.

>>87324257
>>87324262
Where the fuck did you guys get that idea?

>>87324086
>anything that isn't always no-answers, "make up the story yourself", weird for weidness sake, purposely bad acting, awful special effects and sound mixing is paint-by-the-numbers and you're a retard, unlike me who thinks Lynch is brilliant and truly gets it. You can't go into a new season of Twin Peaks expecting a new season of Twin Peaks, you have to assume it's going to be fuzzy logic dream shit throughout like his shit movies so that he never has to commit or explain anything, hiding under the comfortable disguise of it being deep because it is never explained, something that wasn't present in Twin Peaks but its your fault for expecting a coherent and well-made TV show like the original

Wow, you're right. What a fucking idiot I am.

>>87324308
>Man wants you to sing on his show for money a song that he wrote
>Throw a hissey fit after
Huh

>>87324337
memes

>>87324336
I think he is, but I don't think he can do no wrong.

>>87324250
I would love to see a resolution to certain S3 plotlines, mainly Red and Becky

HOWEVER if Season 4 ever happens, it's basically a guarantee that it'll be Inland Empire levels of insanity

>>87323123
Fuck off millennial, I was around when season one aired.

Seriously, guys. I'm new to TP, I was watching the new season and was having much fun untill episode 18 and I dont understand shit right now.

I did a kind of recap of the series, I know the whole MIKE x BOB shit, the lodges etc

From what I was getting, until eps 17, everything was fine because cooper decided to travel back in time and rescue laura palmer and make a new timeline where she is not dead and bob was defeated.

- Who was the doppel of Diane at the motel? Why she did leave him if she loved him so much?

- Who is richard and linda?

- Who is sarah palmer? A kind of god?

- Whats up with Fake cooper/bob? What he wanted with that coordinates? wasnt his objective to collect pain and suffering?

- Why Cooper gave a goodbye to his friends at the station? Couldnt he simply go back to his timeline alright?

- Who is the dead corpse at laura's house? He looked much of BOB there. His belly was nasty

- And who the fuck is Judy? In Season 3 he/she isnt directly showed, pointed or seen. Why people here is talking about her like she was the main villain at the series?

- Will be there a new season to close this questions?

Thanks

>>87323853
>she

You mean we.

Can anyone confirm, at the end, they were there decades before Laura ever existed right?

>>87324337
elementary logic

>>87324269
I'm satisfied with the last episode but I still want more.