/tpg/ - Twin Peaks General

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>no set design, feels empty and lifeless
>no interesting ideas for storylines and generally bad writing
>relies on gimmicks only instead
>those are unoriginal or just bad, unfortunately ("fuck you, albert", glove, andy and lucy, coordinates, riddles, ...)
>bad acting (Bell, Lynch, Horse, Robertson, Dern, ...)
>dull characters (one-dimensional at best)
>storylines and characters are introduced for no purpose
>everything is supposed to weirdly connect and make sense
>shot in digital in a way that doesn't compensate for the technology's disadvantages (looks bad)
>roadhouse scenes (out of place, badly shot, the songs, the bands, the extras, ...)
>student-tier storytelling/editing (characters are shown walking up complete sets of stairs)
>stretched out needlessly, long takes have no particular effect
>everything above is literally cringe-tier in concept and implementation
>obviously delusional and/or inexperienced fanbase perceiving it as particularly meaningful, complex or "deep"
>can't compare to the original series that doesn't have those problems (coherent/complex and beautiful sets, costumes and make-up/well shot/well acted/well written/magnificent multi-dimensional characters and character relations, music, storylines and gimmicks/creates a unique athmosphere as a result, changing the world of television forever whereas "the return" neither manages to do something established really good nor to invent something new)
>somehow the best thing in tv history

new season was a dud

sorry

Is this because of her dress sense? Red black and white?

Was Dianne Lil?

TOP HACK KINO

>MUH SOLIPSISM
Lynch sucks

>>87296890
>cooper's first experience of the red room was in a dream
diane is the dreamer confirmed

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To the people who might have been confused by the end or think there's plot inconsistencies, while I won't go into any theories specifically or deny any criticism you might have. I do think it's important to understand several parallels drawn by David Lynch and where he took inspiration from to truly get what he was going for (or was trying to go for). I'm not going to explain any theory in and of itself, but I will try to lay a general line of thinking out on the table.

There's a clear inspiration taken by Lynch from a certain genre of anime, in particular the likes of Angel Beats (2010) and Charlotte (2015). Both heavily criticized for doing the exact same thing Twin Peaks did but it really does all fit together well if you're of an high IQ enough to understand and appreciate this type of story. I know this might come of as unbelievable but there's many similarities here and if you want a less complex version that might help you understand the Season 3 Finale of Twin Peaks I think it's best to have seen the aforementioned shows.
They might be a little rough, and things might seem odd. But that's exactly why it compares so well to Twin Peaks. You can see, going from the first to the second show the time that has passed in real time reflects within the show itself. AB (?) C (?). It's a rollercoaster ride much like Twin Peaks was (is? season 4?) and will likely help you answer many of the problems you might have had with the ending of the third season of Twin Peaks. They're diamonds in the rough. They're the crude oil running through the veins of our inner sanctum. But at the end of the day you can better understand Lynch as a person, a creator, and, most importantly, a human. What his eyes saw and what he tried to reflect. Through the works so brilliantly parodied by him that go beyond a subconscious mind.

If you've got 10 hours of free time, and want to understand Twin Peaks on a much higher plane, consume these 2 shows. Thank me later.

Was it just my imagination, or did Coop unnaturally lean forward before asking "what year is this?"

5th for OG fans who got lynched, and are now on suicide watch

Audrey was the dreamer you morons. Its literally revealed at the end of episode 16

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>Laura Palmer wasn't just an unfortunate girl who's life was ruined before a violent end, she was a cosmic weapon meant to defeat the Thing From Beyond Space And Time

u wot m8

>>87296890
Can't decide which Diane was hotter, but I want to fuck both of them.

>>87296971
He did, I thought for a moment he was goinna fall over for some reason.

>all this time Kyle was just sucking Lynch's wrinkled old balls to get back into his good graces by endlessly complimenting him and acting like he always loved Cooper and assuring everyone that everything would make sense
IT HURTS KYLE
MY KYLEPOSTING FOLDER FEELS LIKE A BETRAYAL NOW

>>87296976
>implying the cliffhanger at the end of season 2 wasn't an even bigger kick in the balls than this ending

>>87296971
Thought he was going to collapse there

>>87296989
hot take

>>87296989
This is the biggest problem with this season.

>>87296989
Everything right in its place

>Booper had superhuman strength
>it didn't mean anything in the end

>Booper got revived
>it didn't mean anything in the end

>woodsmen ripped a guy's face off
>but didn't do anything to the people at the Sheriff's station

LOGIC FLAW AND INCONSISTENCIES

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>>87296890
The synchronicity of the viewers and Coopers confusion&despair is one of the best things I've ever seen.

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What year is it?

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>lil and dianne were both secretaries with bright red hair working for the FBI

hmm

>>87296989
But it ended up being that random british dude

>>87296965
>tfw not high IQ enough to enjoy anime

>>87296971
To me coop seemed really fractured. He wasn't really behaving at all like himself since he announced that they were in a dream. Especially in how he was talking, he seemed/sounded a lot more flat and borderline booper.

>>87296989
>t. brainlet

>>87297010
>He doesn't like cliffhangers

Pleb detected

>carrie PAGE
Is this somehow connected to the lost page of Laura's diary?

>>87296947
yes because cooper merged with his darkness and they needed to show it

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>>87297033

>>87296965
thanks for the recommendations, I will try to watch shortly.

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I was so skeptical and let down by Part 17 and where it was taking the story, then Laura is violently pulled away from Cooper and Part 18 turns into one o the most austere hours of television I have ever seen.

I can't even tell you if I was lynched or not yet, I just know I was in a trance for that entire final hour

>>87297023
maybe he didn't have superhuman strength anymore or the other guy was just stronger.
maybe it meant anything and we don't know it.
maybe the woodsmen had their reasons for this.

you can do anything when you write only complete bullshit.

>>87296971
Kind of reminded me of how Phillip Jeffries was acting in his FWWM scene. Maybe Jeffries went through the same shit.

could someone post those russian leaks? want to see how they matched up in the end

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So image linked was a fake?

>>87296978

Audrey is stuck in a coma, in her own dream. She's been in a coma since the bank explosion.

Is Audrey the Arm? They both said the same line
>is it the story about the girl

>>87297047
I'm just saying the OG fans are no stranger to cliffhangers

>>87296989
Did you not watch Part 18 or something? I feel like that pretty much shut down any fantasy that things can be salvaged and that anything has any grander meaning

>>87297043
>Especially in how he was talking, he seemed/sounded a lot more flat and borderline booper.
yeah i thought they established pretty well that as soon as evil cooper died, cheerful cooper ended and we got a much darker, more monotone rendition of a cooper who had seemed cheerful and sweet moments before

>>87296989
or Laura Palmer's soul was sent to some version of Odessa, Texas The Fireman for unknown reasons after her ascent to the White Lodge

>>87297088
and yet she's familiar with how the modern roadhouse looks

>>87297084
If you stuck around in the threads that posted it you would realize that Kyle is shopped in from Desperate Housewives.

>>87296989
>Laura wasn't an abused girl who met with a tragic fate because of supernatural forces who saw her as a prime target, she was the White Lodge messiah all this time
>Cooper wasn't a normal, quirky FBI agent with implied psychic powers, now he was always part of this super secret supernatural task force and he always knew about this eldritch creature threatening the world even before he was Lodge'd
>Gordon Cole wasn't just this wacky gag character meant to be Lynch's way of having fun with the audience, now he might as well be the protagonist in terms of importance
I don't care how many of you retards dogpile me for this. The Return took a very simple, effective story and fucked it up with MUH CHOSEN ONE MUH HIGH STAKES bullshit.

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>>87297029
>>87297030
17:47:15
17:47:15
twin posting gone too far

>>87297066
Same here. 17 was a let down for me. How everyone just ended up in the room with literally no purpose at all, I really didn't like that. But 18 was interesting.

>>87297106
dream/time travel/alternate realities/transcendental meditation
ie you are like the cuck

>facebook and plebbit mad because they didn't get a cute finale with Cooper and Audrey eating cherry pie and coffee at RR

>>87297089
Audrey was never even in it other than dreams

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>people who didn't like the last episode right now

So delicious.

>>87297084
All supposed "leaks" in the form of photos other than the ones from episode 5 were shoops. One other episode (15 I think) actually leaked, but no one recorded it.

>>87297106
It looks pretty much the same. I don't think Audrey was in a coma though, I think she was just crazy and institutionalized

>>87297010
>ywn live in an alternate timeline where season 3 was produced as originally planned

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>>87297133

>>87297131
>The Return took a very simple, effective story and fucked it up with MUH CHOSEN ONE MUH HIGH STAKES bullshit.
yes it did but the vegas dougie storyline was still some of the best television in a long time

>>87297043
He anticipated this would happen when he was in the car with Diane. I think he was affected by the reality shift and is trying to keep hold of his old identity and memories, but who knows how long that'll last?

So, a brainlet question.
In the end of ep.17: Coop's face in the background, his "We live inside a dream", and Laura whispering somethinginto his ear during the end credits - how do I interpret this? Was it all just a story told Cooper by Laura in the Red Room?

>>87297149
This guy was the dreamer.

>>87297131
>MUH CHOSEN ONE MUH HIGH STAKES bullshit
Wrong.

Holy fuck I love that ending.

>>87297032
What did the red hair symbolize in FWWM?

>>87297131
This is my only and large problem with The Return. Everything could have existed without this Lucas-esque shit. I'm really interested in finding out whose idea that was.

>le epic cgi showdown

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>We didn't get NEARLY as much wacky dougie+crooked gangsters fun time as we needed

>>87297146
i honestly thought it would end with coop taking laura home and then getting a slice of pie at the diner

So what the fuck was episode 8? Some of that shit wasn't touched up on again

>>87297149

Has anyone yet made the connection that Carrie Page's house is the red room?

>White Horse
>Dead guy is BOB

>>87297185
>his "We live inside a dream"
Originally it was Phillip Jeffries phrase
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKfAb8nlKyQ

>>87297189
Right.
Or did you forget the entirety of episode 8 and Margaret's HAWWWWWK LAURA IS THE ONE and all the foreshadowing of Laura's importance in saving the world?

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that was incredible ridiculous
post yfw

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>>87297212
take a guess

>>87297224
Like what?

I'll be honest I don't really like the way they dealt with BOB, seemed a bit disrespectful to Frank just shopping his face into a floating orb and having some shitty video game battle with a literal who britbong

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>>87297232
>You can't be fucking serious, that looks like shit

Was all this just a ploy by Frost to get us to buy his books?

>>87297231
Maybe she's important on a local scale, but on a global scale there are thousands of Lauras.

Lynch me once, shame on me. Lynch me twice...

>>87297212
Laura and Gordon's new importance was definitely Lynch, and I'm assuming all the Blue Rose/Coop shit was Frost's. Though I fully believe they both had an equal hand in the final episode, maybe Lynch a little more than Frost.

You guys, things are allowed to be disconnected and nonsense. These characters have now been revealed to live within a dreamscape and the shows tonal shifts and chaos can be explained that way.

>>87297177
>everyone pretending a retarded person is normal
>BEST SHOW EVA

>>87297232
It really turned me off how prolonged that scene was.

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>>87297073
PART 15: "Nadine breaks up with Ed. Cooper's doppelganger meets with Philip Jeffries. FBI searches for Douglas Jones. Log Lady calls Hawk for the last time. Audrey Horne is worrying about her missing lover."

PART 16: "Jerry sees a meeting between Richard and Cooper's doppelganger. Hutch and Chantal spy on Dougie Jones. Cooper wakes up. Diane tolds everything to Cole."

PART 17: "Cole makes a statement. Cooper's doppelganger arrives at Twin Peaks. Sheriff Truman gets an unexpected call. Freddie fulfills his destiny. Laura runs away from James in the past, and Pete goes fishing."

PART 18: " title="Dougie returns to Janey-E. Cooper and Diane go into the motel, but she dissappears next morning. In Odessa, Cooper finds Carry (Carrie?) Page and takes her to Twin Peaks."

>>87297240
To be fair, Fantastic Four are shit anyway. There's only so much you can do with that dumb premise.

Twin Peaks was always shit

the fact that it took you retards 28 YEARS to realize it just proves you all have single digit IQs

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Did anybody get fucked up by this scene? I wasn't even sure who I was watching, was this supposed to be Cooper and Diane or are we seeing another story told through these characters?

The note was from "Linda" and she supposedly had sex with "Richard"

>>87297255
god i love that saying

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN

Stayed away from /tpg/ until today, can somebody fill me in on the theories regarding the nuclear bomb episode?

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>>87297232
Green glove lad fighting with the primordial seed of BOB was fucking great and hearing Frank Silva's dialogue over it all just clinched it

>>87297245
l-lynched ahah
nevermind that this is normie shit, it was made for some artistic porpouse even though it clashes with the past 16 episodes completely you're just L Y N C H E D AHAHAH

>This mischievous, sublime, affirming, altogether discombulating continuation of Twin Peaks just kept getting bigger and bigger — until it seemingly didn't. It appeared things were winding down all of a sudden á la Breaking Bad, each loose end vigorously tied in an avalanche of payoff. But Lynch did what he always does, proving yet again that his beguiling career is interesting because of its boundless mystery, not in the solving of it. He's asking us to surrender to the infinite and let go. It's very much the work of an old man.

>>87297131
Man I'm glad I dropped this at episode 9 before it ruined Twin Peaks for me altogether
Gonna be comfy rewatching the original soon

Lads -are we only a bit lynched right now or could it be lynch blew it a bit after ep 15?

>>87297269
thanks friend but I already found them on reddit :^)

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So Dougie is basically Coop since he was cloned from him?

>>87296989
>she was a cosmic weapon meant to defeat the Thing From Beyond Space And Time
from where did you get this
reddit?

After episodes 17 and 18 I have no desire to rewatch any other part of season 3. So much screentime that amounts to nothing in the end, episode 8 was great when it aired but nothing ever comes of it so what the fuck, the whole Coop returning arc was fucking wasted by the horrible rushed sheriff's station scene, fuck everything.

>>87297258
>Laura and Gordon's new importance was definitely Lynch

As for Gordon, without a doubt. Laura, I'm not sure. It seems a little heavy handed for Lynch but then again I can't imagine him allowing Frost to come up with basically a recton of Laura's story given how much Lynch loves that character. Seems it has to have been Lynch, yeah.

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>all this posturing over MUH PATRICIAN'S TASTE YOU'RE TOO PLEB TO UNDERSTAND just because people are upset over being jerked around by an ending
>Lynch can do no wrong, etc.
And I thought Kojima fans were insufferable.

why nobody mentions that motel scene is basically what tulpa of diane described already

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>thunderous sparks from the dark of the stadium

>i wished i could save her in some sort of time machine

>>87297277
that movie was especially shit though, even by capeshit standards

I hope we never get season 4

From The Search for the Zone (the fake Bill Hastings website)

>Why Frequencies are the Key to Understanding Parallel Universes and Time Travel

really makes you think

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>>87297131

>>87297290
It's Cooper and Diane who merged with a different timeline and are therefore not completely themselves. In the new timeline they're Richard and Linda.

>>87297330
He makes the Dougie facial expression in that scene so I'm guessing this is the improved 2.0 model with the Coop service pack to iron out the kinks.

>>87297302
It was just the origin story of Bob and the woodsman. Some people say the girl was Sarah but I doubt it.

>>87297290
https://youtu.be/QkXMnOLrN4M

I have no idea why Cooper acted like a cold, emotionless robot once they were in the car and while they had sex

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>that shot

>WHAT YEAR IS THIS?
2003 theory confirmed holy shit

Where are the webms?

What was the point of the log lady telling hawk all that stuff
He did fucking nothing

>>87297338
Why are you still here, fag? The show's over. Time for you tourists to leave.

>>87297290
Diane switched with Linda right after she saw Linda hiding behind the post. When Cooper returned, Linda had already taken Diane's place.

>>87297369
"Once we cross over it could all be different"

>>87297359
Id like to think he is more like Coop since original Dougie was kind of scummy.

You know,

I was thinking of that leak we saw with cooper walking with laura, and before the ending I was thinking "I bet it's going to end with these fuckers finding the kid that's recording them"

It would be such a mind fuck. Not that the ending isn't already. I could make more theories about S2 ending than this.

>>87297369
They were already changing into Richard and Linda, two fundamentally different people from Coop and Diane.

>>87297330
I want to believe Coop went back to them and the tulpa got sent on the Magical Mystery Tour, and that's why Coop acted like such a weird retard in ep 18

So...
>Lost Highway - it is about a dream
>Mulholland Drive - ...dream
>Twin Peaks - literally only in season 3
WTF Lynch?

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Eraser nipples.

>>87297395
he found the letter, that let them know there was 2 coopers. i mean, it was a lot of bullshitting just for that, for something the audience already knew. but yeah.

Lynch basically ripped off Moorcock
Cooper is the eternal champion
Diane is his helper who goes through the dimensions but never always with him
Season 1 and 2 cooper wasn't aware of this
100% awake Cooper is and somehow he still is when he crosses over to the next dimension
Diane knows about after she comes back - as noted by her words at the 430 landmark - but can't keep her personality (loses her love during the sex scene) and becomes Linda

>>87297117
Missed it completely. Thanks for the info.

So was this ending just Lynch saying DON'T BUY MARKS BOOK

>>87297395
I was shocked at how little hawk did

>>87297348
I'm happy either way. If we did get season 4 he would do his best not to answer the most prevalent questions and instead subvert us again.

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>>87297393

>>87297353
>In the new timeline they're Richard and Linda.
Give me one definitive piece of proof for this. The letter means nothing. There's no proof that Diane wrote it, there's nothing to suggest that she wasn't just erased from existence just like the original hotel they were staying at was.
Cooper still has his FBI badge. He still recognizes himself as Dale Cooper. That's more of a cause to believe he's still Cooper instead of this Richard fanfiction.

>>87297412
That's what I meant when I mentioned the Coop service pack. Dougie is made from Cooper and not his doppelganger so he won't be a dipshit.

What's all this about Audrey in the final 2 episodes?

>>87297442
NO MORE

>>87297395
He found Diane you stupid dumbass. 99% of you retards are too stupid to be alive

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What's it all mean?
What's he saying when he says it?
What's the underlying topic?
What's the motive in his message?

>>87297445
Dale has already been through this once so it's obvious why he retains his mind and Diane doesn't.

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Pic of Evil Coopr

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So Shelly is back into having affair with sketchy drug dealer while Bobby is an upstanding citizen and Deputy Sheriff.

Seems like Lynch is dedicated to cuck Bobby at every turn for no goddamn reason despite Bobby's and his father importance to the story.

Does anyone else feel like lynch tried to appease a lot of people with how episode 17 ended? As in, there's a universe out there where the twin peaks we grew to love so long ago is free of the stain of Laura's death?

Obviously there's something more with how ep18 ended(possibly a dream or another dimension coop sacrificed himself too). It wasn't in vaine though

>>87297456
Making the fanbase think they're getting what they wished for and everything will be resolved

>there are people who still don't realize Laura heard Sarah's voice before screaming

Theories on what happened? I think she regained her memories when she heard the voice.

Also it sounded like the voice clip from season 1 episode 1 when Sarah first notices Laura isn't there and she calls out for her.

>>87297479
I really thought there would be some closure on that, it would hyping Red up to be a big drug smuggler but Lynch just ended up ditching that plot

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>It's good to see you again, Cooper.
>AGAIN
>Say hello to Gordon for me.
>He'll remember the unofficial version.

So basically Twin Peaks is the epicenter of interacting dreams/universes (pick and choose) that are all connected via the lodges. For Hastings, it was alternate universes and timelines. For Laura, it was dreams.

>>87297493
>I think she regained her memories when she heard the voice.
thanks einstein

>>87297445
I don't think that he's not Cooper, but it feels like the story that unfolded that night was not his, what happened didn't make sense

>>87297344
they be like
>coop
what
>can you teach me how to dougie
why man
>so next time lime i can have a backup body if this one folds unto itself

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please explain who the fuck this character is. also he does not appear in Truman's office when the glove fight

>that massive tease in Ep17 with the White Lodge where Major Briggs' head is just floating there emotionless

The actor had such a good voice, I feel like going back to watch Stargate SG-1

>>87297375
thats the same blue cabin that was in the background when laura disappeared from coop in the woods

>>87297518
>unfolded
literally doesn't matter.

>>87296971
It was like when he approached the Rift after he got out of the car
He was feeling for lodge interference

>literally harry potter and the prisoner of azkaban

>>87297519
Goold?

>>87297493
I think she sensed Judy still around, and that manifested as hearing Sarah Palmer calling out to her.

Here's the thing too: Going back and saving Laura doesn't stop BOB. He stays in Leland in the new timeline. Unless you want to say the British boy obliterated BOB from existing, even in the past

Are we gonna talk about Judy?

Nothing's better than a sex scene between two old characters

>>87297518
he's billy

>>87297518
Same explanation as the kid in the car, Lynch just likes adding weird shit for psychological effect

>>87297518
Chad's tulpa

I thought Bob's death was fucking awful, and he used to be the main villain of the show. Now it's about the destiny of the multiverse in the face of absolute evil. I don't think it needed to escalate that far, I thought Bob was scarier than some ancient evil we never see because he was more tangible and more feral, but people here seem to like it I guess, what draws you to this new kind of narrative? I'm legitimately curious, not trying to shit on anyone here, maybe you see something in it that I don't

>>87297493
She regained her memories, and that's why Laura disappears from the lodge. "I am dead yet I live"

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>>87297505
I'm not even mad at the ep 18 Lynch ending, but fucking Shelly of all people should've known better from her ordeal with Leo and getting smacked with soap inside a sock hanging out with sketchy drug dealer.

Lynch gave closure to Ed & Norma but not ruined Bobby & Shelly's closure for no goddamn reason

let's forget the ending for a second. was Freddie slapping around the BOB bowling ball one of the dumbest scenes in the entire Return? There was so much ominous tension being built up to that point and it thrown away for what amounted to slapstick comedy.

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>>87297519
>>87297534
JOOLDY?

>>87297427
unf desu

>>87297566
it was one of the dumbest scenes ever shown on television. what the fuck were they thinking.

>>87297493
It sounded like Leland to me.

>>87297537
I think BoB might have been on the nonlinear timeline like the white lounge and that so destroying him in one universe means he is gone in all of them. There was nothing to suggest he still existed, I think Lynch would have if he still did exist

>plebbit: the show
Only liberal nu-male art majors watched or ever liked this garbage show

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does anybody have better resolution to see date on that paper

>>87297554
I'm sure BOB would have been more important had his actor not, you know, died.

>>87297560
what the fuck happened to Leo anyway?

Reminder that the bug girl could only have been Sarah if Sarah was supposed to be like 65 in the original series which is extremely unlikely

So who was she? What was the point of episode 8?!

FBI agent Richard has had a psychotic break with reality, and made the Judy's diner waitress Carrie Page the star of his dream, that he believes is real.

Season 1, Season 2, FWWM, and all of The Return prior to Richard waking up at the hotel is a dream.

I'm a Lynch veteran. Nothing has ever phased me though..until episode 18

FUCK I GOT LYNCHED SO BAD

>>87297586
doesn't matter.

>>87297566
such shitty CGI. such a shitty decision, to make it a boxing match against an orb. who would think to do that? such shitty execution. so fucking bad

>>87297566
Well BOB's actor is dead so what else can they do?

>>87297577
L Y N C H E D

>>87297580
It's Sarah. The exact same distorted clip of her voice has been used before, I just can't remember if it was in FWWM or the original series.

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>>87297395
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>87297566
as much as a freddie defender as I am I thought it went on for longer than it needed too.

>>87297554
Bob's boxing scene was an absolute disaster. The entire Sheriff's station was horrible and poorly executed. It was supposed to be the climax and i was cringing.

>>87297566
That timeline shows us what Twin Peaks would have been if the fanclub wrote it
>Cooper is still quirky and carefree after being trapped in the lodge for 25 years

>>87297591
Probably had those spiders fall on his head and was spooked but didn't die because spiders dont kill people. After that he was probably in a mental hospital with Donna

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did lynch edit this scene to be longer and more boring to fit in with the tone of s3 or was it always like that?

>>87297599
shut up

>>87297554
I agree, anon. But there was something about how Part 17 ended that made me feel like Lynch knows this and pulls it all away from us.

People think of Part 18 as an alternate reality created by Cooper, but to me the austere quality of that episode felt like I was being told to wake up, this is Cooper after he escapes the lodge and nothing is like it seems and nothing is good. Laura's house had no significance and Carrie didn't even remember it.. until she did and when she did she was reminded of all the pain and sorrow, and lets out a scream that reverberates all the way into the credits.

It doesn't even feel like a cliffhanger to me, it feels like we're being told that nothing actually changed.

>>87297584
"liberal" non nu-male art major here. liked and watched it. didn't like s3 though (for the reasons listed in fp)

>>87297596
Saying 'lynched' is an insult. Basically you just called yourself a retard.

>>87297601
Edward Louis Severson III

>>87297600
Lynchfags will call it genius

>>87297591
He's probably dead from Windom Earle's trap

>>87297618
>Probably had those spiders fall on his head and was spooked but didn't die because spiders dont kill people

what the everloving fuck are you talking about?

>>87297566
I knew I wasn't wrong when I said Part 14 was shit all those weeks ago and nobody would agree. I knew it was setting up for disaster.

>>87297621
There was music layered on top in the movie.

>>87297625
>non nu-male art major
nice oxymoron lad

So... what year was it?

I had a dream about this ending, more than 10 years ago, before even knowing what Twin Peaks was
What the fuck is happening

>>87297593
i always figured that the girl from episode 8 that ingested the bug that was BOB was Leland's neighbor. I forgot where, but somewhere, someone says Leland hasn't been himself since he was 12, ever since he visited a neighbor, or met a neighbor, something to that effect, and that's who the bug girl is

>>87297643
Name 1 spider bite adult fatility in the past 50 years.

>>87297066
The driving scene was too long
It felt like Lynch wanted to do a 90 minute ending but had to split it into 2 hour parts but with part 1 action heavy
Also where did Cooper get the pistol he drew from under his arm - he seems to put bushnells revolver in the fryer

>>87297653
1885

>>87297560
Happy endings are unnecessary anyway. Black lodge feeds on pain and suffering, so it makes sense.

>>87297615
Episode 17 was just setup for completely swerving you for episode 18. It's almost as if the show fully committed to pleasing the fans up until the moment Laura disappeared from Cooper's hand.

From that point onward, the show is completely out of their hands. Lynch was basically like "This is what you're really getting because its what you really want, you don't want resolution."

And after that ending, you know what? I don't. Ever.

If I got all the answers I ever wanted I wouldn't remember it as strongly. This show is gonna age like fucking wine.

>>87297593
Bug girl was 1956. Laura Palmer would have been born in 1971. It is completely within reason that Sarah could have given birth in her early 30's. Grace Zabriskie was in her late 40's when they shot the first two seasons.

>tfw realizing the return was literally just serial experiments lain
>both shows revolve around electricity
>main character has multiple versions of themself
>reality is rewritten in the last episode
gee lynch

Literally all freddie had to do was walk up and hit the orb.

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>>87297643
This scene. It was trying to imply he was a goner but the spiders probably wouldn't do shit.

>>87297657
Is it future, or is it past?

>>87297657
HOLY SHIT THIS FAGGOT IS THE DREAMER
FUCK U MANE

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>>87296890
>Laura is extremely important to the Fireman and the White Lodge
>By making contact with Laura near the forest, Coop 'saves' her, nullifying her death
>This explains why Laura disappeared, screaming after speaking with Coop in the Black Lodge at the beginning of the season - since she didn't die, she has no reason to be in the Black Lodge
>*SPECULATION* The Fireman likely took Laura as Coop was leading her through the forest and hid her from Judy as Carrie Paige.
>This is why Sarah/Judy smashes the photo of Laura - she has lost her
>But Coop still thinks Laura needs saving, remembering the conversation he has with The Fireman earlier
>Wrongly trusts entities (MIKE and Jeffries) to put him on the path of being a saviour.
>Jeffries cryptically notes Gordon will remember if he speaks with him
>Thinks he went back in time linearly - thinks Laura is Laura just because she look like her
>He himself isn't entirely Coop but 'Richard', just how he 'was' Dougie.
>Daine has disappeared, noting herself to be 'Linda', same situation as Coop
>While driving to Twin Peaks, it feels like someone is following them, but then it doesn't
>Upon the realization that the Palmer's aren't there, Coop is immediately disorientated - Twin Peaks itself isn't exactly the same
>Doesn't even know what year it is
>Someone moans 'Laura', most likely Judy catching up with Laura - which implies they were indeed being followed
>By going back(?), Coop changed the world, where everyone except Diane and Gordon have likely been made nonexistent
Only thing I'm left wondering is whether or not the White Lodge intended the world to be overwritten and for Judy to still be in contact with Laura. Maybe the fact that she was out of the Black Lodge was enough, and it's not entirely a bad thing that Judy knows where she is in the normal world?

>>87297678
>serial experiments lain
I know the Return has had buzzing noises for the entire show, but Coop standing under the power lines in the desert really made me want to watch Lain again.

>>87297593
utter mong
the bug girl scene took place in 1956, which would make her about 38 in the original series assuming she was about twelve years old there
also grace zabriskie was born in 1941 which near perfectly matches up with that theory

18 hours. What happened to Audrey? She was in that dream and then suddenly and scarily appeared in this mirror in a white room in episode 16. Where was she, what was that? I could go on and on, but I found this to be the most unsatisfying and frustrating show I've ever seen, mainly because Frost/Lynch strung us along for 18 hours planting clues that were never resolved, having people come and go that never appeared again, who contributed nothing to the plot. I was on the phone with a friend after the show was over and we were incredulous. There are already apologists who are saying essentially, it wasn't that bad. It was. Do I sound angry and bitter? I am! I feel like I've been duped. As one poster so succinctly put it, our national nightmare is now over, thank god.

>>87297095
No he was serious but he put a cheerful face on for those who he knew

What I don't get is
If Lynch knew this was going to be the end, why have Cole frame the whole series as this cosmic, metaphysical quest to stop Judy in episode 17? It would've felt more complete and less like a dicktease if Judy had never been mentioned in 17 or 18.

I just love how the woodsmen were built up to be the new big bad and didn't even show up. What we got instead was much better.

>>87297674
Exactly this. Who the fuck wants closure in a show that exists to showcase mysticism and abstraction?

>>87297671
It doesn't make sense to have Bobby cucked out of a nice family after this great scene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjeCNnbVYAQ

And Bobby supposed to have straightened up

I don't think Sarah Palmer has been possessed since 1956. Because the Sarah Palmer never exhibited any possession in the earlier seasons. In this one, she murders a guy for harassing her, she's more unhinged. She was just a sad drunk who was oblivious to her husband raping their daughter in the first seasons.

Dale almost achieved CHIM but misuses that power because he is still attached to solving mysteries rather than accepting them as necessary, unsolvable riddles.

audreyfags on suicide watch

>>87297712
Lynch doesn't care about your feelings.

>>87297712
I thought he said "jews"

>>87297473
technically not wrong in the end

>>87297621
What actress did they get to play Laura during her interaction with Coop?

>>87297694
god, why is Coop such a fuck-up?

>we never deal with judy
lynched me hard

>>87297652
what's your problem with art?

>>87297735
He was following orders from the giant

>>87297712
>It would've felt more complete and less like a dicktease
that's the point

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>Vedderfags had the last laugh

>>87297660
His neighbor was a man named Robertson who looked like Frank Silva m8. He says this in early season 2

>>87296916
>can't compare to the original series
Why would you be so obvious?

Someone here should actually be critical

>>87297733
>Because the Sarah Palmer never exhibited any possession in the earlier seasons
Not overtly, but it's hinted that there's something strange / possibly metaphysical about her. I can't remember the exact wording but Laura talks about it to Donna in FWWM.

>>87297736
The entirety of season 3 takes place in her dream world though.

>literally the first scene of part 17 teases JUDY and the plan to capture her
>then they proceed to barely give a fuck about her for the entire finale

Anybody claiming there's a "real world" with 1 cooper and a "dream world" where there's "separate good and evil" coopers needs to shut up. Don't be such a brainlet. It's not that simple. This was Muholland Drive all over again.

>>87297765
I expected that awful Vedder song to be the end credits again

>>87297765
>Vedderfags pretending they're still relevant
I'm not gonna miss you fags once the threads die down

Ok. This is awesome. The woman who answered the door in the end is actually the real owner of the house in real life. Nice touch.

Does that mean they are in our reality aka real world?

>>87297778
what are you saying? s3 is better than s1? well, you're wrong.

>>87297566
it was a terrible cartoon regardless of whether it was intentional or not

>>87297793
that means Judy is at large here

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What is the cosmic significance of Laura Palmer

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So are they going to come back for this or what?

Well that was weird

>>87297733
>Because the Sarah Palmer never exhibited any possession in the earlier seasons
>S2 finale where she is possessed by Windom Earle
skipfag found

>>87297812
buy my book and find out ;)

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>>87297793
>Does that mean they are in our reality aka real world?

like that simpsons horror epsiode where home travels from fictional universe to real one?

When did the fireman show up?

>>87297438
I concur. Lynch purposefully ended Season 2 concluding the storyline, but at the same time leaving it on a grim cliffhanger. And he didn't want to go back to Twin Peaks for a pretty long time - so to him it was a finite story, with no intended further continuation or conclusion or anything.
So it'd be pretty naive to expect him to give us a happily-ever-after-oh-and-by-the-way-here-are-all-the-answers-you-need ending this time.

>>87297806
Was he Mr. C?

>>87297812
unironically the biggest cliffhanger

>>87297733
she could only be possessed by Mother after it breaks from the glass box

>>87297805
We don't talk about Judy

Why did the Giant and MIKE lead Cooper down this path
Is this where they wanted him to end up?

The giant says Richard and Linda, and Coop says I understand, seeming to know what he's talking about (and therefore what will happen to himself and Diane), but then at the end he seems so lost and confused...

>>87297829
No

>>87297829

no, because he isn't evil. but he is definitely someone else's imagning of what an FBI agent should be, not cooper.

>>87297812
audrey got LYNCH'd inside the show

>>87297812
She's in a coma.

>>87297839
wait a minute that horse...

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>tfw no more Twin Peaks

>>87297842
Mike and Jeffries were never with Cooper

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>>87297653

is there a webm of evil coop on fire yet?

Holy shit I just realized that the time travel renders everything that happened in this season absolutely irrelevant.

You can't even rewatch S3 now.

Wow, Lynch, wow.

Wow, that was a tense ending to the episode! Cant wait to see what happens next and hopefully we'll finally see what happened with Audrey.

Alright, see you next week /tpg/, same time, same place :)

>>87297819
guilty, i definitely skipped a bunch of s2

i don't regret it

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>>87297863
no but I got this

>>87297812
That's what she gets for dissing Lynch

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>>87297745
don't know but she was awful
every character they hired to play another character was laughably miscast this entire season

>>87296890
>that delicious open matte, 16:9 footage from the original series

NUTTED

>>87297879
he's looks comfy

>>87297869
dougie shows up at the house after the time fuckery, pay attention

>>87297869
it's like you watched a different show

>>87297876
>skipfag
Yuck!

>>87297869

>he thinks it's time travel

im probably one of the few who didn't think we got lynch'd
the show ends with laura waking up from that world.
cooper did his job in the end.

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>>87297869
The Dougie story still remains intact, though. There's no timetravel, there is only Cooper stepping into a different dimension. Everything that happened still happened.

>>87297869
Wow Lynch is such a genius, I finally get it now.

>>87297595
This, obviously.

>>87297861
MIKE was never with Cooper, he just wanted to fuck up BOB and didn't care what happened to Dale. That much was clear.

But what about Jeffires and The Fireman? What did they want?

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My fucking face during this entire sequence, what the fuck was that.

On one hand, AWFUL everything with Bob and the ball but the superimposed face afterwards had me losing my mind, it felt like we're being told everything is a dream

>>87297842
>The giant says Richard and Linda, and Coop says I understand, seeming to know what he's talking about (and therefore what will happen to himself and Diane), but then at the end he seems so lost and confused...
It's the Lodge. The concept of linear time doesn't work there. That conversation between the Fireman and Coop does not necessarily happen before the "alternative timeline" ending of ep.18.

>>87297921

That's a terribly boring interpretation.

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So was the end a motherfucking JOJO REFERENCE?

>>87297589
Yeah and clearly the only way they had to show Bob being exorcised was getting punched into submission during an anime fight; I would have liked it better if they just skipped that part entirely and just showed Cooper put the ring on and transport both doppelcoop and Bob to the lodge, Saitama did not need to be a part of twin peaks

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So. I'm not sleeping about 24hours and i'm little bit lynched after this stupid (or not) strange ending.

>>87297955
no you fucking idiot not even close

MASTURPIECE.

This is too weird I wanna go home

>>87297915
>>87297904
We see many scenes out of order in the return. For example
ep11 ends with Dougie and mitchums out to dinner
ep12 shows Dougie and Sonny Jim playing catch
Ep13 opens with Dougie and mitchums having been out all night after the dinner in ep 11, Dougie has not been home yet

There are other examples too. That's why you can't be sure the scene of Dougie arriving home means Cooper didn't fuck up reality

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who else has fooled himself into believing deep down that Bowie did shoot some scenes before he died cause he was bros with Lynch and he told him he was going to pass soon.

What was with the infinity symbol Jeffries displayed? Is there no way out for Cooper and Laura?

lads what if audrey is in the same twin peaks as cooper?

>>87296965
>of Angel Beats (2010) and Charlotte (2015). Both heavily criticized for doing the exact same thing Twin Peaks
>Angel Forced Drama
>Literally poor Man Haibane Reinmei
>Anything to do with TP

>>87297981
Everyone

>>87297793


He changed to a different camera at that scene, a high frame rate video cam like in inland empire - same as like Michael Mann (?) in Public Enemies - to emphasize hyper reality - there's so much meta

>>87297869
If anything the time travel would just make seasons 1 and 2 and the very last scenes of FWWM irrelevant.

god damn this entire season was pure shit in retrospect. Lynch truly has lost his touch. Just that one scene from FWWM was incredible, and it reminded me how good Lynch used to be. I mean just compare FWWM to season 3. It's absurd how much worse this was.

Coffee & Piefags BTFO

People who thought they understood episode 8 but don't have two brain cells to rub together also BTFO

That was better than Muholland Drive. So many fucking brainlets here though.

4chan /wog/ in 1939:

Discussing Dorothy's dream of Oz like it actually took place, and the wizard actually helped her get back to Kansas.

Fuck all of you.

>>87297981
I imagine it was something more like Lynch paying Bowie a visit and explaining what he would do if he could make a 3rd Season, and would have probably asked Bowie if he could replace him with a giant Kettle for Jefferies' body, to which Bowie just laughed and said 'sure thing david'

Although I loved this season, episode 18 makes me feel like The Return was a mistake. I feel like the story Lynch actually wanted to tell was weighed down by the world of Twin Peaks, having to deal with characters that had no essential impact on the plot but still deserved decent screentime. We got bogged down by the Twin Peaks of this season of Twin Peaks. For a while at least their presence seemed relevant for setting the mood of the town, but if you think about it, the story of Cooper 'finding' Laura through his time as Dougie could have been told in another setting.

>>87297962
It was tho

>>87297240
how is the greatest game ever played?

People are forgetting about the credits scene. Coop and Laura are back in the Red room

>>87297982
It was the number 8

I expected an ending that was open ended enough that some things couldn't really be explained proper

I'm interested to see through this went too cray.

>>87297981
Anyone who thought this is dumb. Bowie loved Twin Peaks but even if he had been well enough to film scenes, he would not have.

It was extremely important to him that Blackstar was his final work/appearance. It had to be the end. He could not release Blackstar and then appear in a few scenes in some TV show a fee years later.

>>87297554
What I don't get is, didn't the woodsmen pull him out of Booper in ep8?

But anyway, really interesting ending. I probably would've been very disappointed had it all ended with the punching match. Let's just see if the show gets any continuation.

the entire series is an intersection of dreams and universes that all influence different realities and are connected through the lodges

not to mention the parallels between synapses during REM sleep and electricity

just think more about the zone/hastings subplot (e literally talks about having a dream and then waking up home and she ends up murdered with his fingerprints all over the apartment) and it'll come together

>>87298033
Are you sure that wasn't just a flashback?

>>87298001
>MUH GARMONBOZIA

FWWM is the Phantom Menace of twin peaks and garmonbozia is the midichlorian.

>>87298022

No, I genuinely think that Lynch got to this story by starting with his old Twin Peaks work. It fits the show. That credits shot with Laura whispering into Dale's ear really opens it all up, aesthetically.

NEW

>>87298050
>>87298050
>>87298050

>>87298013
I know you're baiting, but assuming the first theory you come up with is the true explanation for what happened makes YOU the brainlet. Everyone who's saying they don't really understand what it all means are being honest with themselves.

kys

>>87297982
Remember milf and her son (killed by Richard)? That was literally Achilles and turtle (game they played). So 8 means an infinity. S3 was about futility of life

Now that I think about it, this heavily reminds me of The Wizard of Oz.

>Judy was the dreamer.

>Judy Garland.

>Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Twin Peaks anymore.

Who was dreaming? What year was it? What reality was it?

Last scene was a dream
laura in 1989 is the dreamer
cooper asks what year is it
laura's mother calls out to her from the waking world
laura recognizes her mother's voice and realize she's dreaming
she screams and wakes up back in 1989 the morning they would have found her body had cooper not had changed the past

>>87298022
What would him finding Laura mean, though, without the context of Twin Peaks?

>Sarah yelling for Laura
>Carrie screaming after
>Credits

Very FWWM vibes there. I can't explain it but that was actually terrifying.

>>87298045
This is very true. For twin peaks fans it would have been nice, but think of it from his, and his fans, perspective. He had the ultimate movie ending. He got to be the artist who creates their grand work and dies, like black swan and the tons of other stories that have used that plot that I can't think of.

Everything between Cooper waking up and him leaving the lodge with Diane was a dream

The cold and dysfunctional Cooper we saw with Diane and Carrie is the real Cooper

>>87297979
That aside, Diane and Coop talk about crossing over, which indicates they have some sort of reality to leave beforehand before things get "different"

>>87298081
See
>>87298016

>>87297981
>bowie never got to see season 3
>Albert and Log Lady got to see the ending before dying

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>>87297869
You're both right and wrong. Calling it 'time travel' isn't entirely right. It's more like teleporting - since they're literally going through a portal - into the same world, but overwritten. It does, however, render everyone but Coop's, Diane's and Gordon's story irrelevant. Given the context, I don't have a problem with this.

Ok so I know we didn't get audrey these final two episodes but I am wondering something. What do you guys think was going on with the Arm repeating Audrey's phrases???? They must be connected somehow.
If you dont remember, The arm repeats Audreys quote "Is it the story of the little girl who lived down the lane? IS IT?" from when she fought with Charlie in a previous episode. This is after The Arm says 'I sound like this.' WHAT IS UP WITH THAT

It's interesting how things would change if there wasn't that last sequence where Sarah calls for Laura and she's screaming.

>>87297879
fire evil cooper is the reason normal coop began to act so strangely and vicious, when they put out the flames he will be happy and comfy again

>>87298159
And what was the sound anyway. It sounded like someone fapping

>>87298108
That makes no sense, because if that were the case, S1 and 2 would have been a dream too.

>>87298081
That's actually a good theory. I was just about to ask what the chances are that the "alternative" world collapsed after Laura screamed and the lights wents out.

>>87297812
>coming into the new season, everyone waifud Audrey
>coming out of it and she is one of the biggest jokes

what went so wrong?

>>87298022
Plus most of the classic characters felt forced. Ben Horne is just sitting in his office, Nadine is just watching streams. They don't feel alive like in S1 and S2, where they had interactions, emotions and were part of the greater plot.

>>87296965
saving for pasta

>>87297586
It's not visible at 1080p either, just tried

Bottom of the paper does say "10 charged in local insurance scam," which might be Lucky 7 Insurance, but I don't think Las Vegas and Odessa could be considered local unless Anthony Sinclair (his coworker) did something in Odessa.

>jerry was just high all along

>>87297821
>>87297793
You mean a fictional version of the real world. In order for it to be in the real real world, it would be some live action play

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>>87297185
>Laura whispering something into his ear during the end credits

This is at the end of 18 after it's realized that rescuing Laura Palmer contradicts her nature

>>87298285
No. You saw. His binoculars killed Richard.

>>87297211
Red + female = fertility

>>87297839
Anyone have the answer to the symbolism behind this? Someone made a decent claim about Jungian thought and a white horse representing something.

>>87298318
It's Laura's horse. Ben Horne bought it for her, but she was afraid Bob would kill it, so she let it go.

>>87298318
Jungian psychology has been a staple in Twin Peaks with all the shadow selves and synchronicity stuff.

"One in the same"

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>tfw regardless of the season finale lynch was generous to give us the kino that was the dougie arc

I don't care about the shitty CGI bob-ball-boxing-match, I don't care about the alternate dimension nonsense, I don't even care that so many loose threads were left untied. Dougie is the greatest character to ever grace our screens

>>87297986
Haibane Reinmei is nothing like it at all. Sounds to me like you just don't understand the comparison I'm making

>>87298394
How can i upvote this post? Dougie Jones is the funniest thing i've ever seen, i want a Dougie Jones Netflix series.

>>87298288
Once he prevented her destiny by going back, everything got fucked up. She's meant to die.

>>87298394
It was the comfy show everyone wanted Cooper to be, instead they got Dougie and people got mad because it wasn't Cooper.

And yet Dougie is the only one who got a resolution with his story concluding. Everyone who got mad should've appreciated what they had.