So now critics love Batman v Superman because of the Trump a

>>87206469
>so now critics
>screen rant
>screen rant
>screen rant
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>>87206469
People seem to be interpreting BvS a bit differently now but in its essence most people that liked BvS were saying how heavily symbolic BvS is and how much it depicts modernity. It's been done, I liked BvS since I saw it in theatres precisely because it's deeper than it seems initially.

>>87206711
No, it's much shallower. You think it's profound because you are uneducated.

>>87206711
This is next level autism

>>87206794
So you didn't read thode posts and you're calling me uneducated instead? Whatever you say man, if you actually had something to discuss I'd talk it over but you cleraly can't rub a couple of brain cells together for this thread so you're excused.

As a side note the only mistake I see in the author's posts is that he ignores that "minorities" in the film actually admire Superman and almost praise him as a God.

>>87207041
In other words you have nothing of value to add to the conversation, you're just tossing around buzz-words like an automaton heh.

>>87207042
*those *clearly

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>this level of care that we're never going to see again in capeshit movies

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Zack Snyder's magnum opus takes two popular superheroes and flings them right into the battle that is currently raging western 21th culture. The dying optimism and the awakening of cynicism.

By infusing elements of the same mythology and legends that inspired the creations of these heroes, BvS never forgets what it is and why it is. The battle of two titans using their inspirations as the back-drop of their conflict.

Rather than focus on Superman's fight against some evil villain, the film instead turns conventions on its head and let's us instead perceive Superman through mankind. Superman becomes secondary to what mankind believes Superman to be. BvS becomes a film that bends itself to the minds and opinions it portrays. Perhaps the most interesting being the Day of the Dead segment where a quiet Superman is seen rescuing people as mankind slowly but surely builds a legend around him. People who doubt him, people who worship him, people who hate him. The Superman becomes more than just a guy in cape saving cats out of trees. He becomes something only limited through our imagination. Perhaps the most interesting aspect of Superman is how he changes our beliefs and ways by simply existing. And we start to project ourselves unto someone we all hope or fear to become.

>>87207073
>it-it's the j-jews
>i-im woke
>better keep filtering my water

>>87207258
>>better keep filtering my water
>not filtering water
You're gonna turn into a faggot.

>>87207258
You still haven't added anything of value, sarcasm in this form is not sincere or worthy.

Do you think the success of Wonder Woman forced certain critics to review Batman v Superman with a more open mind?

>>87207219
It certainly forgets what it is. All the way up until more than halfway through the movie.

>>87207382
It absolutely does not. The storytelling is on point. Scenes follow up each other in a perfectly organic way.

>>87207155
I hadn't noticed that before, dang that's impressive, at least we got a few movies out of it, I do hope Snyder comes back to do Justice League 2 if nothing else.

So only now people are getting that MoS and BvS is about the whole muslim/terrorism shit?

WB/DC has been mining that shit since Batman Begins, for Christ's sake.

>>87206794
t. Cinematic Illiterate

>>87207406
There is no story.

>>87207444
I think it's time for Zack to ditch capeshit since all he gets for his efforts is nothing but scorn. His JL is being raped by Josh "Suck my cock for a part" Whedon's quip-riddled dialogue. When I heard they were abandoning Terrio's clever dialogue in favor of straight-forward marvel-like one-liners I stopped seeing it as BvS's sequel.

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>>87207444

There are many links to MoS in BvS, not only through visual parallels like that, but also musical cues like Batman's nightmares always starting with the Zod's terra-forming technology sound.

Because it finally sunk in just how poignant its messages are.

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>>87207444
>that's impressive

>>87207549
>Batman's nightmares always starting with the Zod's terra-forming technology sound.
Oh shit how did I not notice that? The poor fuck is traumatized from the Metropolis attack.

>>87207458
So to you Supperman is Mahomet ?

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>>87207155

>this level of pottery

>>87207537
The fucking " I need a quip every 10 second audience is cancer" I have friends who are like that and I hate talking movies with them. They do come and watch all the godly dceu movies with me nevertheless

>>87207610
Piss christ is nasty and its only value is militant atheist masturbation.
If it was something related to Islam instead it wouldn be tolerated neither by muslims nor by islamophiliac western countries.

>>87206711

Utter idiocy. Doomsday represents cultural marxism? A made up, loosely defined concept that brainwashed rightists believe in? Give me a break. Same for Luthor representing the "tribe" which I assume is what he calls jews.

Lex Luthor represents capitalism and Doomsday represents fascism and anyone who actually paid attention to the movie could have made this connection.

>>87207595

Check the sound when he opens the door.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMceD_O3olA

>>87207537
It's too bad critics have a way of being way too loud when they're clearly not even comic book fans or DC fans most of them, I'd bet.

The thing is dceu is fucking great under Snyder. Look at ss. That thing is a fucking joke and I can't believe they let that be in the same universes. It's sadly the end of godly comic book movies now that zack has been pushed out :( . Atleast I can proudly tell that I have experienced kino and will tell my shit quipping kids 20 years later that I fucking watched man of steel and bvs in IMAX and it was glorious. Also got laid later that night

>>87207848

If Wonder Woman ending hadn't been changed i'd have considered as part of the trilogy.

>>87207610
Huh, fascinating.

>>87207648
lmao hilarious

>>87207622
dope

>>87207848
They will laugh at you even harder than I am now.

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>>87208063
>nu-male will raise his kids on Marvel's feminist garbage instead of manly Snyderkino

>>87208128
You mean... you?

>my shit quipping kids

>>87206469
snyder was too good for the capeshit buisness imo

>>87207155
fuck... the kino that keeps on giving. every new BvS thread is a new discovery.
Damn, I hope WB didn't Wonder-Womanize the JL movie too much.

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>>87206469
They will stumble......
They will fall............
But in the end, they will join you in the sun

>>87206469
do you think snyder will ever forgive us?

>>87208430
This by very definition is kino. If all a movie had to offer was single viewing it can't even be a candidate.

>>87208759
it's definitely a film that gets better each time you watch it.
Ultimate edition is 100% kino

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What's even better is that a lot of these elements stretch all the way back to the first scenes of MoS. BvS brings the allegorical components into sharper focus.

Anyone interested in a BvS wikia? We can log all kino there.

http://batman-v-superman.wikia.com

>>87208996
WHAT THE FUCK

>>87209111
>>87208996
holy shit, is this for real

>>87208996
i dont get it what ? ? RW? ?R

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>Marvel movie comes out
>consumed in its entirety
>makes a fuckton of money
>no one is talking about them months down the road, let alone over a year down the road
>generally remembered as fun but nothing else

>DC movie comes out
>extremely polarizing
>makes bank but not blockbuster
>high levels of discussion, both negative and positive
>films are still being examined more than a year later

I think this is fascinating
In general it seems like things that aren't universally lauded or hated get a lot more actual discussion

>giving a single fuck about superheros or superhero movies in 2017
wake the fuck up children

>>87209347
>hey you know those movies that are literally determining the trend of modern day blockbusters and possibly mid-level movies?
>you know, those cinematic trends and the changing state of the medium?
>Yeah ignore them! They're made for children!
>Now watch this other product instead!

>>87209299
I think people end up liking DC films in a more enduring way than Marvel films. Just look at TDK. People remember it a decade after. But who still remembers the Marvel of last year? I barely do. I guess the Marvel way is the way of maximizing first-month box office and then do another repeat of the marketing blitz for the next film. It works for them but I think they're starting to see some diminishing returns as audiences are getting burnt out.

>>87209294
That is the codex from Man of Steel, and it fits in perfectly with the skeleton of Lucy the australopithecus, the supposed first ancestor of ours to walk upright (which is a load of bullshit but it gives atheists a boner).

I'm not going to spell it out for you any more than that, figure it out for yourself or ask elsewhere

I think it will be a long process before the pleb masses (majority of /tv/ redditors) could appreciate cinema on this level.

>>87206561
It's a shill bot from India notice the time thsee threads are always made

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I recommend everybody to check the video below.

https://vimeo.com/189876347

>>87208996
What is that pic aout?

>>87209744
This guy gets it.

>>87209961
Look up the meaning of the word "codex," then ask yourself why Zod accuses Jor and Lara not just of violating Kryptonian law by having Kal "off the program," so to speak, but instead accuses them of heresy.

Snyder's message has never been as one-sided as many would have it be.

>>87210111

Basically, kryptonians worship their science dogmas to the point of religious fanaticism.

BvS is true garbage because Snyder simply isn't very smart.

His fundamental flaw is his obsession with moments. People say he's a great visual artist, well of course he is, that's where all the focus goes. People say his characters are flat and lack motivations, well of course they do because all character work is subservient to crafting moments meant to awe the audience. What we are left with is really pretty pieces of shit. If you don't see this you're just in denial or have bad taste, and you're kind of stupid like old Hack Snyder.

>Inb4 adurr movies are a visual medium. Adurrrrrr

Yes, no shit. But there's plenty of directors who have proven you can craft good moment and meaningful characters if you get your priorities straight.

The priority of a good filmmaker is as follows:

Movie first.
Scene second
Moments third

Hack Snyder's priorities are:

Moments first
Scene second
Movie third

He sucks. Accept it faggots.

The only people who like it are brainlets in denial. Sad really.

>>87210306
oh no, are you seriously parroting Nerdwriter's thoughts here? Talk about a new low.

>>87210306

>People say his characters are flat and lack motivations, well of course they do because all character work is subservient to crafting moments meant to awe the audience.

Only fucking stupid as shit people say that. The characters in BvS had clear motivations and were very easy to understand. The movie just lacked the kind of exposition people want out of capeshit.

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>>87208996
This isn't real right? Snyder cant be this goat

>>87210348
Who the fuck is nerdwriter?

>>87210402
you know who

>>87209906
I'm going to link this video to all my pleb friends.

>>87210382
>The movie just lacked the kind of exposition people want out of capeshit.
Fuck off with this excuse.

>>87210456
No I don't

>>87209906
Good watch.

>>87210511
It's flat out true. Bruce's real motivation behind hating Superman is hidden in the frame, not the dialogue. The past 10 years of TV-style exposition has rendered audiences visually illiterate.

>>87210511

But it is the truth. Check most of the capeshit. The characters are constantly voicing what they're about to do or what they're all about, as if the audience couldn't piece two and two together.

Meanwhile one of the big things about BvS was that all the characters were dodging and lying about their true feelings and motivations to others and even themselves, since one of the themes of the movie was about the manufacture of lies and the hardship of facing the truth.

>>87209906
enlightened I stand

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>>87210393
As real as it gets.

>>87207892
What was the original ending?

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>>87210586

>>87210762

There was no Ares, i think, and it ended in a bittersweet manner with the war not ending right away and a reference to World War II happening not long after, but with Diana still deciding in modern days to try once more to save the world from itself.

For example, Pudge character in the movie had a lot more scenes.

>>87208996
how can marlel even compete?

I am unironically saddened that Zack is off the series and we'll never see his unfiltered vision. I have no doubt that his Justice League would have been incredible.

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>>87210306
I think you have a valid point, but you don't have to be such a fucking asshole about it.


The other anons have a point as well, things weren't spelt out for the viewer, which meant the viewer had to actually do some work thinking about what they thought things meant, and not just gulp down exposition to set up for the next joke, like marvel capeshit.

BvS Ultimate edition is kino after it's 3rd watch or so

>>87210977
>There was no Ares,
I was thinking to myself throughout the film that Ares not being would be so much greater character development for Diana. Ares existing made the conflict a tad more trivial and naive than it needed to be. Diana's naivety is rewarded.

>>87210783

>Snyder marvels at how Boorman is able to mix moods so effortlessly. After Arthur's success in battle earns him the the hand of Leondegrance's daughter Guinevere, and all is festive, Merlin unveils the prophecy that "a dear friend will betray you." But Arthur isn't paying attention, and Boorman uses Merlin's exasperation to play the moment for a laugh. "It's the idea that men are powerless," says Snyder. "All the things that make us men—love, hate—that's our downfall, the thing that destroys us."

https://www.dga.org/Craft/DGAQ/All-Articles/1002-Summer-2010/Screening-Room-Zack-Snyder.aspx

>>87211275
>M-Muh hugbox
BvS defenders everyone!

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>>87206469
enough with this shit.

>>87209876
>screenrant
>DC shills
they're always one of the first to lap up fake DC rumors.

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>>87211409
These are some of the least hugbox threads on this board. Fans love it warts and all. Haters blast on things that reveal how poorly they understood it and get btfo time and again while brainless run off screaming "MUH HEADCANON" with their fingers in their ears.

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>>87207155
I love Zack Snyder

>>87211357
>In the final battle against Mordred, a hairy, slightly mad-looking Lancelot returns from willful exile to help his old friend. Fatally wounded, he asks Arthur's forgiveness, to which the king says, emotionally, "You are what is best in men." Snyder is moved. "I cried like a child when I first saw that scene, and it still makes me slightly choked up," he admits, then cites how its invocation of honor among men influenced his approach to the death of Dilios in 300. "It's the most amazing declaration. This rang in me when we shot Dilios telling Leonidas, 'It's an honor to die at your side,' and Leonidas says,
'It was an honor to have lived at yours.'"

I love this. Lancelot coming back in Excalibur was such a nice moment.

>/tv/ retards actually think these soulless biblical "allegories" are good

>>87211576
I fully expect Clark to come back through a struggle to reassert his identity over a usurper and that the New Gods will be after the Codex to produce an army of brainwashed Kryptonian soldiers.

It's got all the right notes to conclude that particular allegorical arc.

>BvS is good

Will meme have the legs of baneposting?

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>>87211669
STOP /TV/

YOU ARE MEANT TO SHILL FOR MARVEL'S SUPERFICIAL PROPAGANDA

STOP IT NOW

REEEEEEEEEEE

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>>87211576
Not sure I've seen that image before. On the chance that you're not a regular to these threads, have you consider the implications of Bruce choosing to forge a spear, his aversion to to kill a foe at his mercy, and the implications of pic related?

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>>87208128
>implying Snyder isn't way more into feminism than Marvel
https://thefionadcpositivelove.tumblr.com/post/164823794559/lex-luthor-and-his-philosophy-on-women

>>87211938
Zach Snyder is for equality, a return to artistry and spirituality

Zach Snyder is not for preferential race and gender quotas and fascist doctrine

>>87211938
Snyder's feminism is about celebrating the feminine. Just as he so often celebrates the masculine. A far cry from those who have now hijacked the ideology and turned it around into their personal little weapon to get a seat on the board of CEOs solely due to their sex.

>>87211836
I made that image yesterday so it's fresh. I've been in these threads for the past few months and yes, I've thought about the significance of the spear, the film's interpretation of Bruce's no-killing rule and I still am trying to decipher the mausoleum dream. I'd love to hear your thoughts.

>>87210542
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38Cy_Qlh7VM

>critics
>s
>all written by Andrew Dyce who seems to be a numale dc drone
https://twitter.com/andrewbdyce

Buy an ad if you're going to shill your articles Dyce

>>87212026
>>87212104
These niggas get it. Snyder is reclaiming feminism and showing us what it can be, not some way for corporations to pander to potential new customers, but a legitimate lens through which to view the world.
http://www.alternatetakes.co.uk/?2011,5,299
>The thrust of my argument is that the film is not ‘empowering’, and that this - genuinely - is precisely its point. Instead, it is feminist in a different way - in something like the way that, for example, many classic melodramas (say, Max Opuls’ heartbreaking Letter From an Unknown Woman [1948]) are feminist, or indeed - dare I say it - classic pieces of feminist film theory like Laura Mulvey’s 'Visual Pleasure and Narrative Cinema'. That is to say: it is a deeply pessimistic analysis of female oppression, primarily concerned not to find strong, positive role models, but rather to draw attention to what it sees as intractable problems within gender relations and gender representations. It is strange and infuriating - though perhaps not surprising - that critics haven’t been able to see that the very complaints they have made about the film are being made tenfold by the film itself, and that the core of the movie lies in those odd transitions from dancing to fighting.

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>>87206469
>screen rant

>>87212229
>All DCucks need is a single source before they empty their folders of cropped photos and screenshots of the movie into a thread

>>87212312
>The thrust of my argument is that the film is not ‘empowering’, and that this - genuinely - is precisely its point. Instead, it is feminist in a different way - in something like the way that, for example, many classic melodramas (say, Max Opuls’ heartbreaking Letter From an Unknown Woman [1948]) are feminist, or indeed - dare I say it - classic pieces of feminist film theory like Laura Mulvey’s 'Visual Pleasure and Narrative Cinema'. That is to say: it is a deeply pessimistic analysis of female oppression, primarily concerned not to find strong, positive role models, but rather to draw attention to what it sees as intractable problems within gender relations and gender representations. It is strange and infuriating - though perhaps not surprising - that critics haven’t been able to see that the very complaints they have made about the film are being made tenfold by the film itself, and that the core of the movie lies in those odd transitions from dancing to fighting.

Is this literally a paragraph defending the shit acting and writing of the female characters in this movie and trying to spin it as "feminist"? That was about the stupidest thing I've read all day.

>>87207705
>? A made up, loosely defined concept that brainwashed rightists believe in?
Haha "made up"
Just because you disagree with it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You're entitled to your own opinion not your own reality.

>>87212154
Basically, Bruce is out of balance and at war with himself. The "Bat" just wants its pound of flesh, vengeance at any cost, and that's why Bruce isn't all that bent out of shape about the men he brands ending up dead. That's a big part of it. Unbalanced, he's capable of killing, but never in cold blood, always in self-defense, and never without something to distance him from the act. This is his irrational compromise with the part of him that's always sought nothing but vengeance.

The "man" that's making this compromise understands that Superman isn't evil and that his vendetta is wrong. His dream is a symbolic warning about how turning his back on this truth, he's allowing his obsession, the "bat," to consume him.

The part of Bruce that's still sane is unconsciously sabotaging his premeditated murder of Clark by choosing the sort of weapon that forces him to kill in a way that he absolutely can't - face to face with a helpless foe. Even his choice to leave it behind at a killing ground instead of carrying it with him into battle suggests this same thing. He set himself up to either die or to only get to use his spear under a very specific set of circumstances. It's no surprise that he balked. Sometimes I even wonder if Clark actually said "Martha," or if we just heard what Bruce needed to hear to stop himself.

>>87206794
>>87207041
>>87207535
>>87209347
>>87209876
>>87210306
>>87211409
>>87211669

Read every post in this thread. Notice how, over a year later, nobody will build or even offer a solid argument against the film? Nobody takes evidence from the film to refute the points of those who took the time to study and praise it. Instead, they dish out lazy insults about the people who like it (if you like it you're stupid, autistic, childish, Indian, faggot, retard), or the work itself (no story... how? what makes a story good or bad in your terms? Explain your opinions).

Imagine two people meet a stranger speaking Latin, but they don't know it's Latin. Person A believes they're speaking pure gibberish and are some kind of idiot. Person B listens patiently and makes out what sounds like similar roots to his own language. Person A calls Person B a retard for overthinking the gibberish, but in time, B identifies the stranger as someone speaking Latin while A continues to be a toxic personality. Basically, Snyder is Virgil.

>>87212453
It's been prove time after time they're shills

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>>87213180
>solid argument

>>87206711
stop posting this bullshit

putting everything on 'cultural marxism' is the height of ironic idiocy


the 'cultural marxists' literally wrote the books about all the media manipulations this conspiracy is so obsessed about


its like witnessing a certain fire come out of a specific situation then getting mad at the guy who specifically said there would be that fire under that circumstance
'meaning' is much simpler to glean and you don't need to bring things from 'outside the text' to realize it
what are the differences between superman and doomsday? lex and clark?
>lex's speech at his house
>knowledge without power is paradoxical
>what am i


what bigger fuck you could lex make to superman than by using his intellect to create something greater than superman?

after all, isn't doomsday literally of his blood?
there's so much in the movie that you have to completely skip and ignore to fixate on 'cultural marxism' as ultimately the scope here is a worldwide mythological hyperreal fantasy, implying that life is a light in the darkness [the painting, lex saying 'out in the darkness among the star', the jl logo literally being a shield with a light in the center] cannot be contained within this limited lens

>>87213180
I think you are giving Snyder far too much credit. As an established filmmaker, he does not seem to have, at times, an even basic grasp of how to effectively use filmic language. What I find offensive about this film is that its rabid fanbase (which only seems to exist on /tv/ as far as I've experienced) clings onto some fairly reductive and easy to interpret visual techniques he uses in his films and extrapolate entire themes from them. They then twist and contort the failings of the film, failings that come out of basic technical problems, into somehow being more evidence of these extrapolated themes.

I'm okay if you find meaning in a film, regardless of its quality, but I'm not okay when people delude themselves into finding meaning that simply isn't there, because of spite and contrarianism. It offers nothing and actually takes away from films that actually achieve these means.

>>87206469
Liberals are so childish they have to revert to fantasy in order to be fulfilled as a human being and have thier existence validated. Does this not prove the "critics" are just literal propagandists?

>>87207444
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>>87207595
>>87207622
there's even more


the montage in bvs of superman's affect on the world matches with the montage of lois lane's investigation in mos

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>>87212758
Nice analysis. I see Batman as someone taking their Id, and externalizing it. The Bat is this sort of demon that takes pleasure in giving others pain, without a leash it would just kill, but Bruce has a conscience and sense of morality, and he is the one who chooses not to kill, but still puts himself in situations where death seems inevitable. Bruce is the Ego, the mediator, and during BvS he looses connection with his better nature, the SuperEgo, as he gives in to the fear and trauma that have weighed him down. He is fallen,
and he has fallen deeper into his subconscious and is not thinking rationally. When he is Batman, the Id is on the outside, but the Ego and SuperEgo are buried within.
When Clark says "You're letting him kill Martha." that line is eerily familiar to Bruce, enough to knock him off guard. Like somebody has said that to him before, a long long time ago. That is because the SuperEgo, his repressed conscience, has now become externalized as well. Superman becomes SuperEgo. The guilt over failing to save his family is brought to the surface. The truth of why he is doing this, all of this. He hears his father's voice, he hears his own voice, and now he can't help but see Superman as the good within himself. So he spares him.

I do think that Clark said Martha. I think it logically made sense (and you can hear him weakly say Kent, but it's such a guttural one-syllable name that Bruce just assumes it's a grunt) and I do love the idea of a total coincidence saving both of these men in this moment. It reminds me of the film Magnolia, another film about people who fall and the line between destiny and chance.

>>87213830
>Liberals are so childish they have to revert to fantasy in order to be fulfilled as a human being and have thier existence validated.
Yeah those idotic Liberals that have to validate their love for a shitty film like Batman Versus Superman--Oh wait...

>>87213180
Holy fuck I don't even know who's memeing anymore and who's serious

>>87206711
>realists
>fighting cultural marxism
Since when do realists believe in literal nazi conspiracies?

>>87213879
Okay, but I'm not the one who changed my entire opinion of a film because my deluded brain now sees it as a critique of Orange Hitler

>>87213831
Holy hell.

>>87213756
>another variation of no it's stupid because it's stupid and you're stupid for identifying meaning within because I cannot
If it simply isn't there, then explain WHY the film is the way it is. The selective framing and composition, the use of symbolic objects, motifs and allusions to popular culture, and the overt discussion of these themes in the dialogue. You can say the meaning is not well conveyed due to of flaws of the storyteller, but to say the film is without meaning is disingenuous.

I saw Batman v Superman before the reviews and fan reactions came out. I liked the film not because I am a contrarian, but because I thought it was good. Perhaps you are the spiteful one, since you really cannot criticize the film without criticizing its fans and creator first.

>>87213952
*We* don't a half-smart writer for a website does. Fans see it as commentary on the post-911 West, the things the East does that plays into that climate of xenophobia, and how knowingly or not, Western media contributes to that schism while those in power feed it and play on it to their advantage.

Saying it's all about Trump is just needlessly reductionist and myopic.

>>87214215
Reducing people's posts into something you can better respond to does not make you look smart.

Fine, let's talk about WHY the film is the way it is. Let's talk about some specific moments and scenes. I would much rather do that than engage in another dumb fucking flame war.

I'm not spiteful. I genuinely care about film on a very deep level, and seeing people be so misguided on basic things regarding film compels me to post in threads like this. I was literally criticizing Snyder's film technique. I never made it personal, but sense that these threads tend to go that way, but don't accuse me of personally attacking anything when I didn't.

Pick a scene and we can talk about it.

>>87211576
>>87206711
>>87207155
>>87207219
>>87207549
an important thing to note here is the insistence that bvs is a 'biblical allegory'


notice how it is DOOMSDAY who is at the 'top' of the mountain, and how its superman that has to journey to him and then stab him

remember, doomsday is an undead creature, an abomination of pure destructive power that a HUMAN unleashed out of pure EGO


so therefore what happens is this, superman, out of love, saves us from ourselves and the chaos within


because there's actually more here than just christian reference here


you have to ask yourselves
why is it that superman, a being of order, majesty, life, and doomsday, a being of literal death, chaos, and unbridled power, kill, or CANCEL each other out?

why is that superman uses the very same weapon that was used to destroy him to destroy another thing created to destroy him?
the whole "muhhh hamfisted christian allegory" is complete bunk, as there are too many ironies and paradoxes carried within the narrative for this to be a 'christian allegory', let alone the fact that this isn't the bible narrative at all
as the movie itself says,
"horus, apollo, jehovah, clark joseph kent"
superman is nothing more than the current cultural manifestation of our self projected transcendence, literally nothing more than this, making snyder and terrio the only ones to actually cut the fat and get straight to this

>there was a time before
>diamond absolutes

>out of formless rock
>a diamond absolute

>>87213935
Cultural marxism is no conspiracy.

>>87213735
>putting everything on 'cultural marxism' is the height of ironic idiocy
>the 'cultural marxists' literally wrote the books about all the media manipulations this conspiracy is so obsessed about
But it's not a conspiracy.

>>87214385
Cultural Marxism is a shitty catch-all term that completely misinterprets any of the philosophical terms it uses in order to selfishly perpetuate an immature worldview.

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>>87213866
Yeah, I see him much the same way. Also, I think we're going to see pic related framed up in much this same way in a future film. Pretty sure Bruce wasn't just seeing a nameless mook in that moment. PTSD is a hell of a thing.

>>87208996
I wish Snyder put in that scene where superman is in search of his mom and uses his super hearing and he hears all the cry of the city. That would have been so epic

>>87207155
KINO

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>>87214472
Interpreting Doomsday as representative of cultural Marxism doesn't really feed back into the allegory in a meaningful way. I think this does, though:

>Corpse of the dead fanatic
>brought to life by the "blood" of the rich, elite representative of the m-i complex
>instantly lashes out at his creator
>destroys a monument to a "false god"
>attacking it only makes it stronger

Do the math.

>>87214531
>Words
It's is a real manipulation of the media to push and condition people for political change. Its so obivous these days I can't believe nthere is even still a debate about it?

>>87214385
>>87214448
cultural marxism is the brain dead idea that the people who called out aspects of modern experience are somehow at fault for it, despite having spent their whole time only reading and writing, and not behind the wheels of industry and culture

cultural marxism is the ironic lack of self awareness in a having watered down spooky version of the thoughts of those same 'cultural marxists', yet still blaming them because its easier to have a scapegoat bogeyman than to look at oneself
which reminds me of a certain movie..... where the whole world wants to put all of their problems on one person...

>>87214472
See
>>87214694

>>87214351
I reduce your post because you reduce everyone else's. It doesn't feel good does it? You cast people who enjoy the film as reductive, delusional, spiteful and contrarian.
I say you spout a lot of empty words. It's easy to say
>As an established filmmaker, he does not seem to have, at times, an even basic grasp of how to effectively use filmic language.
But can you go more in depth than that? That's a long-winded way of saying he's a bad filmmaker. If you could offer some examples, then we could have an engaging conversation about the film.

We have been discussing the film, you can go through these posts and choose a scene that's already being discussed. Or if you know the film, you can pick the scene yourself, and tell me why it does not work.

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>>87208996

>>87214729
You don't understand the concern of cultural marxism then.

>>87214472
>>87214729
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3qkf3bajd4

Come back when you are over 18

>>87214694
It is reductive and counter-productive reduction of the issues we are dealing with today. Attributing it to ""Cultural Marxism""" is literally the same thing as saying "those goddamn hippies". It is a dumb and inaccurate way to address those very real issues we are dealing with. Cultural Marxism is a stupid attempt by stupid people to reduce very real problems are societies face (yes, including media and political manipulation) and actually helps perpetuate those problems.

>>87214378
>notice how it is DOOMSDAY who is at the 'top' of the mountain, and how its superman that has to journey to him and then stab him
>remember, doomsday is an undead creature, an abomination of pure destructive power that a HUMAN unleashed out of pure EGO
Joseph Campbell af
>What is the ‘real dragon’? “The dragon is your ego, holding you in.”
>And what is my ego? “What I want. What I believe. What I can do. What I think I love, and all that. What I regard as the aim of my life and so forth. It might too small. It might be that which pins you do down. And if it’s simply that of doing what the environment tells you to do then it certainly is holding you down, and so the environment is your dragon as it reflects within yourself.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=ExiRGrIKlwM

>>87213180
Because it's been talked to death a million fucking times. No one gives a shit enough about your meme movie to bother refuting your superficial bullshit critique

>>87214736
See
>>87214821

>critics
>all by one guy
This movies fanbase is as dishonest as the director

>>87214815
>a propagandist admits he was a propagandist
Wow such a shocker. Next time link something that actually reinforces what you're claiming is real.

It's just rabid lefties trying to co-opt a movie as propaganda for their cause.

If I was Snyder I would tell them to fuck off and die.

>>87214385
>>87214448
>>87214768
dude, cultural marxism is complete bogeyman

literally all of your ideas of 'cultural marxism' originated with the 'cultural marxists'

>wherein they proposed that popular culture is akin to a factory producing standardized cultural goods—films, radio programmes, magazines, etc.—that are used to manipulate mass society into passivity
those focused on cultural marxism are so fucking close to spouting adorno word to word without even realizing it. it would be hilarious if it wasn't so played out

>DCucks are STILL butthurt about the critical and financial failure of BvS
No matter how much biblical imagery this movie has, that doesn't change the fact that it's a piece of shit and Hack Snyder still only has one good movie under his belt.

>>87214909
Wow are you retarded?

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>>87215071
>It's a bluepill fag making a fool of himself

Do me a favor. Screencap your post and read it 5 years from now

>>87214843
And yet you replied. These threads would go away if you didn't really give a shit.

>>87215196
>one good movie
Because the other ones are great

>>87215238
>These threads would go away if you didn't really give a shit.
These threads would go away if shitskins didn't emulate discussion from their phones

>>87215071
No it's not, its a real thing and we see it when the new flavor of the month is pushed in media. Right now it's Trannyism.

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>>87215196
>BvS is somehow a financial failure
>Saying "Hack Snyder"
Found the spic

>>87215277
The others range from mediocre to dogshit

>>87215196
When you state something without some actual reasoning and proof then it's just your fucking opinion. You are insignificant to this man's work and won't even come close to making a difference in your own family leave along the world. Try to find meaning in your life first. See what makes you happy and stick with it. You will be respected for that. Accusing a guy's work will take you no where. You are exactly why we can never have nice things

>>87214909
yeah and cultural Marxism is about pushing propaganda. Things like the lies behind blacklivesmatter are being pushed by tv and film same thing with the global warming nonsense. You repeat a lie over and over enough times people will start to believe it.

>>87215196
Why are you so mad? I know for a fact that this isn't your first post here either. What do you even do all days but hate on films other likes?

>>87215205
Explain to me how this reinforces Cultural Marxism? I'm not disagreeing that there's propaganda and false narratives that are perpetuated by the systems that make profit from it. I'm saying that using a reductive term like "Cultural Marxism" is in and of itself a simplified and stupid narrative that ignores anything connected to reality to perpetuate this idiotic form of thinking.

>>87215224
>Consumption of the easy pleasures of popular culture, made available by the mass communications media, renders people docile and content, no matter how difficult their economic circumstances.
>The inherent danger of the culture industry is the cultivation of false psychological needs that can only be met and satisfied by the products of capitalism; thus Adorno and Horkheimer especially perceived mass-produced culture as dangerous to the more technically and intellectually difficult high arts.
how the fuck can you lack this much self awareness

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>>87215314
Shit opinion, discarded

>>87215300
It was a financial disappointment, and made less money for the studio than Doctor fucking Strange did

>>87215360
t. retard

>>87215196
It must be sad knowing that iron man and Incredible Hulk was the only good marvel movies ever. Everything after was just money making trash. Didn't contribute anything to cinema

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>>87215300
What are the chances that we find "bully" the actual DC pajeet?

>>87206469
no BvS is just such kino they couldn't contain it any longer and had to inject their retarded politics into it as a means of disingenuous subversion

it's what libtards do

>>87215224
Snyder and his set photographer share pro-Liberal stuff on their social media every week. Him being """"conservative"""" is a meme, the dude is just a leftist with a level head.

>>87206711
>>87207219
>>87212312
>>87212758
>>87213180
>>87213735
>>87213866
>>87214215
>>87214378
The literal definition of pretentious. If you told any of this to Snyder he would laugh in your face or just nod and pat you on the head. You're trying to squeeze water out of a stone. You can add meaning where there isn't any to just about any movie.

>>87215366
The fact that you even post these pictures unironically is bad enough

>>87213831
What the fuck show me

>>87215362
wrong

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>>87215366
LOL

>>87215372
It was a phenomenal movie and would have made more money if you stopped shitposting about movies and enjoyed he golden age of comic book movies.

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>>87215372
>>87215385
>>87215408
t. Mahatma Comics

>>87215360
ignore this faggot >>87215375 he's false flagging

>>87207155
>literally just copy a fight from a different movie
>plebs will eat it up

Sad!

>>87215461
>he's false flagging
??

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>>87215444
>DC
>Having high test chads and Christians in control of the universes
>Marvel
>Having manlet cucks and jews in charge of assembly line kid shit

>>87214833
Did you pull out your back stretching that to make it fit? Jesus Christ

>>87215444
>Inb4 the pajeet says Momoa is Somoan so the casting doesn't matter

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>>87215326
BTFO (with constructive criticism)
The Chad Path

>>87215402
>the dude is just a leftist with a level head.

I'd categorize him more as a right-leaning centerist.

>>87215344
cultural marxism is propaganda. it lumps "leninism" and "marxism" together like it's one thing. It reduces all nuance and rationality into primitive reactionary thinking while hypocritically acting like its "calling out" those same things.

>>87215493
>/v/edditor that hates cinebro is capeshitter
Holy shit it all makes sense

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>>87215499
>maybe if i ignore them and pretend they're pajeets they'll go away
Found the numale

>>87215493
>Picture he posts has literally nothing to do with what he said

>>87215420
>>87215298
drop the cognitive dissonance bro

>He argues that "advanced industrial society" created false needs, which integrated individuals into the existing system of production and consumption via mass media, advertising, industrial management, and contemporary modes of thought

>>87215585
wrong

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>>87215549
>samefagging to promote your namefag handle
Sad!
>>87215584
>spic can't into reading comprehension

>>87215499
That isn't a pajeet
It's literally a numale white /v/edditor

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>>87215395
DING DING DING!

Right on the mark. This is damage control after how hard they dropped the ball during the premiere.

>>87215553
>Posts another random twitter screenshot as if it's an argument
He's not even wrong either. Snyder is just Michael bay but with a massive hard on for biblical imagery

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>>87215613
Your twitter handle was exposed, stop pretending that you aren't a nu-male marvirgin

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>>87215640
>he admits he's a numale

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>>87215678
>cinebro
>twitter handle
holy shit
not only are you actually from /v/ you're new as fuck to /tv/
HAHAAHAHAHA

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>>87215747
t. tripnigger

>>87215747
>https://archive.4plebs.org/_/search/username/Cinebro/
What a pathetic string of comments. Does this spic do it for free?

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>>87215747
god I can already imagine how bad it would be for your fragile videogame riddled mind if you were actually here before 2016.
>F..F..FILM IS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR FUN!!! GO BACK TO /lit/ YOU PRETENTIOUS HIPSTER;(((
hahaha holy fuck

>>87215591
why is it that any alt right person can not actually argue or discuss anything at all?


on the one hand, there's a willing admission of just wanting the troll the whole thing out of alienation, understandable, but on the other hand there's this insistence on 'facts' 'narrative' 'media manipulation' and orchestrating of culture


all of these directly mirror the frankfurt school, to say anything else would be factually untrue

One-Dimensional Man
>domination the individual, to his sexuality and supposed leisure slowly eroding freedom
>not the exact same thing you're talking about


i don't understand how its possible for people to be this ignorant

>>87215845
wrong

>>87215866
neither

>>87215830
anything after 2013 probably isn't really him. I think the mods took him out with the rest of the "old guard" because he made new users insecure

>>87215838
Is cinebro a r*dditor?
He sure as hell types like one

>>87215876
wrong

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>>87215404
Wrong

>>87215908
either

Where's BULLY?

>>87215953
wrong

>>87215914
This guy gets it!

>>87215898
Worshipping tripfags and people with usernames that you don't know (besides Quentin) is a r*dditor thing. You know this, right?

>>87215907
that cinebro was the last remnant of patrician /tv/
the real, real one was a full blown red who I think is still active

>>87215959
or

>>87215957
What's up with Marlels and their BULLY boogeyman?

>>87215974
You do know you're only on /tv/ because of redditors, right? I mean unless of course you can prove to me you've been part of this board since its inception

>>87215977
>>87216024
No he isn't. He's a r/movies immigrant with a superiority complex.
Abatap is.

>>87215444
>MARLEL
>all ugly inbred pedofile beta nu-male kikes

>DC
>chads and one kike(female)

>>87216039
nah

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>>87216039
>the #film "patrician crew"
>r/movies immigrant with a superiority complex
Interesting. Did you say Abatap because you read the wiki and have seen other reference him?

>>87216043
>Imagine being this brainwashed

>>87216087
What wiki?
The fact that you know about one that documents tripfags like yourself cinebro is depressing, and thank you for outing yourself as a tryhard newfag

>>87206469
This is how you know Snyder created the perfect Superman character.

Even though I don't agree, I know that you can take this angle and support it if you believe it.

Because that's what Superman is supposed to be - everything to everyone.

Anyone can form their own opinion about Superman from MoS and BvS, and support it with evidence from the movies. There were perfect things, diamond absolutes (the old Superman). Not anymore.

Kino

>>87215957
He's been missing since we found out he's actually from India. The pajeet even tried to sabotage his own trip, but doesn't understand dates so it wouldn't work.

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>>87215957
>>87216145
Are marvirgins this antisocial and delusional?

>>87216112
>What wiki?
The dramatica one
>The fact that you know about one that documents tripfags like yourself cinebro is depressing, and thank you for outing yourself as a tryhard newfag
This is getting really interesting. You tried to pretend you're an oldfriend yet everything you do says otherwise. What are the chances you'll claim some posts aren't you and post an edited image without a (You)?

>>87209906
Why did he edit the video to remove the quote where Lex talks about no one coming out of the sky to save him from daddy's fists and abominations, and it shows Superman stopping Doomsday from punching Lex?

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>>87211576
It's so fucking beautiful

>>87206711
You can add (most likely inadvertently) all the symbolism and allegory you want to a film, doesn't make it a good film

>>87216193
>The dramatica one
What?
>This is getting really interesting. You tried to pretend you're an oldfriend yet everything you do says otherwise. What are the chances you'll claim some posts aren't you and post an edited image without a (You)?
Why does disliking a cult of personality make me a newfriend?
I'm sensing some social awkward vibes from you, and you sound like you're close to punching your monitor in a fit of rage

>>87215451
t. 65% white

>>87216290
>marlel is a yuropoor muslim refugee
Who would've thought

>>87216285
>What?
Encyclopedia Dramatica? You claim you're not new yet you don't know what this is?
>Why does disliking a cult of personality make me a newfriend?
Because you say things like "a r/movies immigrant" yet are against the few that fought against them openly
>I'm sensing some social awkward vibes from you, and you sound like you're close to punching your monitor in a fit of rage
Is this all you have left now that you've proven you weren't here before?

>>87216104
I can imagine being you

>>87215366
Dwayne is a bad actor desu

>>87216307
Enjoy your white "genocide", Cletus.

>>87216175
HHELLO bully!! Will India be a superpower by 2020 still?
https://archive.4plebs.org/_/search/filename/areyoubattingme.png/
https://archive.4plebs.org/_/search/filename/1469443592016/
https://archive.4plebs.org/_/search/filename/1467384433882/

>>87216365
>Encyclopedia Dramatica? You claim you're not new yet you don't know what this is?
I know what ED is. I'm just not autistic enough to browse to look up abatap so I can prove a random anon is a newfriend.
>Because you say things like "a r/movies immigrant" yet are against the few that fought against them openly
That is the most gayest statement I have ever heard
>Is this all you have left now that you've proven you weren't here before?
You're starting to sound like the one anti-social weeb kid with a sweater who sat by himself at the lunch table.
Remember, you started this conversation by moving goalposts, not me.

>>87216007
>BULLY boogeyman
He's a tripfag


A Pro-DC, with actual arguments tripfag.
He used to make threads erryday, haven't seen him in a while.

>>87216145
wut
He wasn't from India

>>87216458
oh I remember that thread. You're the guy who shilled that for ~150 posts straight using commonly circulated pictures as an "argument"

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>>87216458
Nothing you've posted is as pajeet as pic related.

>>87216501
>I know what ED is. I'm just not autistic enough to browse to look up abatap so I can prove a random anon is a newfriend.
No you don't >>87216285
>That is the most gayest statement I have ever heard
So you're against /tv/ because it goes against everything your home site is for
>You're starting to sound like the one anti-social weeb kid with a sweater who sat by himself at the lunch table.
>Remember, you started this conversation by moving goalposts, not me.
Again Is this all you have left now that you've proven you weren't here before?

>>87216534
>inb4 buttblasted disndian resorts to "PHONEPOSTER!!!!!111" argument

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Sucks to have a thread that started well derailed so hard. The shitposters win too easily on this board. Oh well. Atleast I learned a ton from the first 150 posts.

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Why is /tv/ obssesed with brown people?

>>87216623
They don't really win, most of the time I leave the thread because I have better things to do than argue spergs like >>87216593

>>87212589
>I dont agree so its bad
>not even engaging with the arguments presented


gotta suck being as mentally stunted as you

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>>87216512
why are you so ashamed of yourself?
https://archive.4plebs.org/mlpol/thread/124311/#163284
will you try and claim your secure tripcode was broken when there are no working trip crackers now?

>>87208996
Brainlet here, what does this mean?

>>87216623
Something I find interesting is that by making Clark and the new metahumans all far younger than Bruce and Diana, they're not just the "parental figures" in the usual sense, they're also representative of the sorts of stories that gave rise to comic book heroes in the first place - Bruce as the pulp era and Diana as ancient myth.

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>>87216716
This level of projection is pathetic.

>>87216832
Essentially, it's the introduction to some of the key themes:

>False gods are dangerous, and anything can become one, even science
>It's better to honor your culture and carry it forward within you instead of trying to impose it upon others

>>87216623
i keep fucking saying: ignore anything that's not constructive


its so easy for us to keep our heads down while providing the thoughts we have individually based on how our interests indirectly give us insight into the movie

>>87216626
because it's filled with self-hating brown people

ironically enough, only whites get called browns here.

>>87216623
HOLY FUCK HE'S SO PRETTY

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>>87206469
>critics love Batman v Superman
It's like you live in this bubble of self-indulgence where if you repeat something for long enough, it will become true.

Okay so let me get this straight. Batman vs Superman is a shitty movie, and dipshits from the right and left pretend to like it because they somehow think it's related to their retarded identity politics?
Y'all dumb.

>>87217214
>HOLY FUCK HE'S SO PRETTY

Cavill might, in fact, actually be Superman.

>>87206711
>People seem to be interpreting BvS a bit differently now
No, you've been begging for this to happen since the movie came out. Making threads every day doesn't make it so.
>>87207444
Jesus fucking Christ, stop replying to your own posts you sycophant. This reads like a maga thread on /pol/.

>>87217280
If someone on twitter said it once, that's enough for /pol/ to apply it to whatever group they've been memed into hating and it's taken as absolute irrefutable fact.

>>87217114
That narrative in the DCEU is basically gibberish because such things are only dangerous when they're all promise and no tangible benefit.

Then your post is basically gibberish as well because the last part is, again, all promise, no tangible benefit.

The flaw is in trying to have such themes around characters who can deliver on promises. As that's the basic concept of "superhero."

I also like how often the lucy/codex image is posted and how every time people act like its the most brilliant concept/reveal ever, when, in the context of the franchise, it has less than no meaning.

I've been on 4chan for years and BvS/Snyder is the only thing I genuinely can't tell if is irony or not

>>87206711
Who would even read your fucking rambling delusions man, enjoy your capeshit in silence

>>87217404
It's just tourists praising it.

>>87217404
there's multiple groups
>those purely profiting on b8
>consolewars
>'true believers' more or less active since the week after bvs came out
>different people making the images you see posted, some of the ones in here can't be more than weeks old
>individuals who you can recognize by what they focus on and their mode of rhetoric

>>87217404
Its neither, its just marketing.

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Stop discussing Batman v Superman and start discussing Infinity War

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>>87217610
You tell them Marvel Pajeet

>>87217682
What about anti-/pol/ and /tv/ posting you post?

>>87217366
Superman can't deliver on the "promise" of being a god. It's why he's going to have to defuse it and that's not exactly an easy thing to do, especially when you're the guy that saved the world twice and came back from the dead.

Also, the "worship" he's receiving and him becoming sort of a focal point for the hopes and fears of humanity is going to figure into the New Gods being able to return. He's waking the magic back up in the world by virtue of his very existence.

>>87217882
>Superman can't deliver on the "promise" of being a god.

Hasn't actually tried.

>>87215546
>it lumps "leninism" and "marxism" together like it's one thing
Yes, because there is definitely no connection between the two. Nope. None.

Don't see the elephants you're conditioned not to see.

>>87218100
are catholicism, judaism, and islam the same thing?

This will be on the test.

>>87206469
It seems to me that those people are projecting their own beliefs than what Snyder intended. The movie is a lot deeper than what casuals make it out to be so I am glad people are going back in with an open mind.

>>87217882
>He's waking the magic back up in the world by virtue of his very existence.
duality


there's at least one interview where snyder breaches the topic of spirituality, implying a view where mysticism, eastern philosophy and science connect, in his own words


superman stabs doomsday, doomsday stabs superman
the god is dead


lex lost his shit because his FANTASY and REALITY dissolved into each other


the only reviews i consider worthwhile are the ones that addressed a particular thing:
the surreal blend of fantasy with reality, a hyperreal surreal fantasy that of course, escalates in the fight with doomsday, where its the closest a movie has gotten to 'literal abstractions' on screen


cavill himself has echoed it (which means i'm right, yay11!1)

which fits within snyder's interest in culture, and how 'the medium is the message'

which leads right back to the moment of superman's death. what is the price that must be payed for fantasy and reality to become one and the same?

>>87218167
Leninism is an implementation of Marxism in Russia.

Catholicism is an implementation of judaism and islam??????(??????????????????)

>>87218208
Core flaw: the meaning of superman's death is invalidated by the fact he didn't actually die.

Additional flaw: the DCEU at no point ever conducted itself in a remotely realistic fashion.

>>87218324
Core flaw: the conquest of death is the ultimate power move possible, as death is the Ultimate Enemy, the ultimate thing we all face

making superman face that is them going all the way with this

and i guess you're right about realism
so many people complain about how 'dark' these movies are, but everything in our own actual reality makes it obvious that that 'realistic' versions of these stories would be unimaginably worse

>>87218587
The realistic version of the lex luthor story is no one interfaces with him at all because hes a spastic retard.

Also superman didn't actually face death.

>>87218324
Core flaw(in your argument): Man of Steel was essentially magical realism where we're given an ostensibly real world with one fantastic element(Kryptonians).

BvS is that world morphing into the fantasy realm as the world changes as a reaction to the fantastic, revealing that it's not, in fact, the "real" world, but the world where our myths, both modern and ancient, are real.

>>87218890
In the real world a god-kid would quickly realize he doesn't have to listen to the guy who yells at him for saving children from drowning.

also people would've noticed him crucifying a semi just outside a diner.

>>87218890
Magical realism means the magic has realistic consequences and effects. This does not apply to the DCEU at all.

>>87218748
what the hell does an eccentric personality's quirks onscreen have to do with realism? (nothing)
just because you personally do not want a movie to play with the idea of death and resurrection doesn't mean they're not allowed to kill a character and bring them back

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XD-UMLLCGY
>with the merchandising there's no way to keep him down

the ultimate thing anyone faces is mortality, the ultimate hero we have is superman, ultimate hero faces ultimate threats

its really that simple

>>87219190
from MoS through BvS when has any part of the internal logic been broken? not once, internal consistency is what we're looking for here, 'magic' and 'realism' are simply aspects that are being used for a mythological ends,

as lex luthor himself states "the basis of our myths"

the point here isn't in some arbitrary marker where we are precisely delineate between the two, but in how these things interact with each other, again, this is reflected in lex who loses his shit when his personal world gets 'turned upside down'

Fuck Josh Whedon. Fuck Avengers. Fuck WB executives.

>>87219307
>what does a person's public appearance have to do with how much people trust him and what they're willing to do for him

...

>>87219464
>when has any part of the internal logic been broken

Crucifying a large truck in a parking lot and no one noticing until the saw the end result.

>>87218989
In the real world, a kid can love and want to not disobey his father even when he doesn't understand him.

>>87219307
You're right. There was absolutely no fallout from the events of MoS. None at all. In case you're too autistic to pick up on it, that's sarcasm.

>>87219632
Not that you pulled your head out of your ass long enough to notice, but none of those quirks were present in Lex's personality until after he'd gotten what he wanted, and been unhinged by it. The first overtly odd thing he did, in fact, feeding the Senator, only happened after the man had already agreed to his list of demands.

>>87219704
this is based on the assumption that people were paying attention

the fact that it happens tells us that no one noticed, therefore not a break in internal logic


for you to be right, there would have to be someone outside, or some other sort of insinuation that people had their attention on what was going on outside

so no, not inconsistent

>>87219930
Are you trying to argue the jolly rancher scene happened, chronologically, after he had full access to the colony ship?

>>87219632
what the fuck are you even talking about


throughout the movie lex is creeping people out left and right, and the government guy only 'trusts' him out of explicit mutual benefit


unless of course you forgot that we were talking about lex's personality and how it's 'unrealistic' for him to be slightly neurotic, and switched to superman randomly

kys DCspics

>>87219799
>There was absolutely no fallout from the events of MoS. None at all.
you must have replied to the wrong post, i never said this, as everyone knows that the narrative of BvS is framed as the consequence of MoS