The Wheel of Time

>>87197849
They also made the Emoji movie Anon. Do you really want the same people who approved the Emoji movie to have final say on this adaptation? Is that really something to be excited about?

>>87198001
I... I can b-be excited about anything I want, anon

Selucia boobs.

>>87197849

Sony Pictures is a cancer

>>87199236
What does "full breasts" mean? 36KK?

>>87200358

Given how perverted Jordan went, I'd hope so. Most women seemed to be decently busty, and a select few even more so.

I hope the scranc look good

>>87200500
Who was the tittest? I haven't read this junk in a while but I seem to remember Lanfear's replacement body being pretty bimbo-ey.

>>87197849
>Sony

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>tfw no thicc forsaken gf

>>87200559

Selucia, or the older inkeeper from Altara. Lanfear's were big, but even bigger later on after something happens. Also Berelain is described much the same.

>>87200622
The innkeeper is the lady who was burned out former Aes Sedai? Or was it the one who humiliated Siuan?

>>87200678

Setalle Anan

>>87200730
Based Wheel of Titties expert

That wolfbrother guy who lost touch with reality and just lived as a wolf in the dream world, was he the WoT version of a NEET?

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Reading the second book at the moment, and accidentally read from the wiki who is one of the Black Ajahs.

>>87201994
Fucking hell anon

>>87197849
-LEAKED SCRIPT-
SONY's (TM) Wheel of Time
Season 1, Ep. 19

Seanchan: Artur Ackbar, we shall righteously slay all of you oath-breakers and claim the lands of our forefathers.

Perrin: We must stop them from reaching the shores. Aes Sedai, I suggest building a wall to keep them out.

Egwene: *gasp* How could you, Perrin? They're people just like you and me! We should be more welcoming to these migrants. If we treat all of them according to the actions of a few, we'd be bigots! #LoveTrumpsHate #LetThemIn #SeanchanLivesMatter

Nynaeve: *tugs braid furiously* Light burn you, woolhead, I'll box you around the ears.

Perrin: *nods respectfully towards her*

>>87201994
>second book
Darkfriend Social is underrated

>>87202076
>#
Is this pronounced octothorpe, pound, or hash?

Either the adaptation is terrible like Legend of the Seeker and forgotten within a month, or it's hugely popular like GoT despite cutting out 99% of the magic and we have to deal with tv only secondaries posting shit on the internet like they know anything.

If the latter happens, expect all conventions to be flooded with enough Aes Sedai to make Suicide Squad Harley and Spider-Gwen look unpopular in comparison.

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>>87200559
Seleucia, Tuon's handmaide/servant/adviser
and then that innkeeper in Ebour Dar I guess
and then some girl working at the same inn
Mat had tough times in Ebou Dar

at least 3 forsaken were somewhat well-plotted, Graendal, Lanfear (who gets better with resurrection into a new body) and Halima (former male put as a joke into a voluptuous female body)

the main cast should probably be about average, so if all things go right we get the right amount of waifukino

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>Sony

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>>87197849
>Sony

>>87197849

>Try to contain your excitement levels

Not hard when you wrote 'by Sony'

Who will Idris Elba play, and just how diverse will this be ? Rand will be black of course, Nynaeve will be Asian...

>>87197849
I just hope the sranc don't look too fake

>>87206175
>asian actor replacing a white one
kek

>>87201170
NEET furry

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>>87200587

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>>87197849
giv aes sedai gf

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>>87201994
whyyyyyy

>>87197849
>sony
The same people that did ghostbusters, right? I can already envision.

>>87197849
>ywn marry an Aes Sedai wife in the Sea Folk fashion so you know for a fact that she has to obey
>ywn take commands in public but give them in private

>>87200559
Selucia.

She's always described as having ridiculously huge tits, it's the first thing everybody notices about her, and about 90% of the female characters get visible breast envy on meeting her. The other 10% are just better at hiding it.

>>87200678
Setalle Anan is a former Aes Sedai, implied to have been one who used to study ter'angreal before she was burned out by accident. Possibly. It might also have been the Black Ajah who stopped her from investigating for some reason.

>>87201994
>accidentally

DED

>>87197849
I just skimmed through the video. Where is Rand?

>>87212091
nigger that video is like 2 years old

>>87203752
halima and dashiva are comedy gold

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>Try to contain your excitement levels
Oh jeez.
I'll try my best.

I read like 5-6 books in the series before giving up and I swear to god I can't remember almost anything from that pile of horsecrap.

>>87212302
lucky

>>87212302
lol same, except i remember reading like 9 books before i gave up. robert jordan makes grrm look like a little babby when it comes to procrastination

I want to spank Rand

>>87212414
Long time no see

>>87212409
He wasn't procrastinating, he was busy literally dying.

>>87212302
It gets boring in the middle but the first few and the last books are good.
Sanderson>Jordan

>>87212302
I mostly just remember all the barely hidden fetish stuff.

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>Sony

>ywn see a live action version of the Battle of Dumai's Wells live up to your imagination

I just want to watch the Asha'man turn an army of Aiel into hamburger.

>>87201994
oof

>>87212932
>Asha'trans, kill

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>>87197849
>Sony

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>Sony

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just because its Sony doesnt mean it has to be a total fuckup

there has to be some kind of small hope

;_;

>>87212932
It's not meant to be awesome, though. Well, it is, but it's cast as a horrifying meat grinder that has most of Rand's forces throwing up in disgust, and Perrin still gets sick to his stomach thinking about it five books later.

Rand beating the shit out of the Seanchan with five thousand men + four Asha'man against their 50k+ and over a dozen damane though? That was awesome.

>>87213666
It's not like the source material is any good anyway

>>87212409

I love how much cleaner yet gorier RJ is in his books than GRRM. Like the characters can only curse by saying light or bloody ashes, but then you have entire families being cooked alive or having their soles ripped out to make evil weapons, and then people basically misted in magic blenders. Then you have characters embarrassed to look at big boobies for too long the next page over.

Braid tugging intesifies.

>>87197849

I hear the trollocs look really fake

>>87214172
>Darlin dismounted before a tremendous tent, the largest Min had ever seen, larger than any she had ever imagined, a great red-striped oval, shining in the sunlight like silk, with no fewer than four high conical peaks, each with the Rising Sun of Cairhien stirring above in a lazy breeze, gold on blue. The strumming of harps drifted out amid the murmur of voices, like the sounds of geese. As servants took away the horses, Darlin offered his arm to Caraline. After a very long pause, she laid her fingers lightly on his wrist with no expression whatsoever, letting him escort her inside.
>“My Lady wife?” Rand murmured with a smile, extending his arm.
>Min sniffed and put her hand atop his. She would rather have hit him.
I don't care what /lit/ thinks, I enjoy the prose in this series as well as the characterisation and worldbuilding

>>87214326
Read through all the lines he writes for the character of Uno, who curses with "flaming", and replace every instance of that word with "fucking" instead.

>>87214423
I think your taste is bad and you should feel bad

t. not from /lit/

>blood and ashes and bloody buttered onions
what did he mean by this

>>87214464
>He kissed the plump mellow yellow smellow melons of her rump, on each plump melonous hemisphere, in their mellow yellow furrow, with obscure prolonged provocative melonsmellonous osculation.
>The visible signs of postsatisfaction?
>A silent contemplation: a tentative velation: a gradual abasement: a solicitous aversion: a proximate erection.
I'm sure you think this is great writing, don't you?

>>87212932

I want their to be a Fellowship of the Rings sense of wonder at all the places they travel to.

GoT characters aren't impressed by anything because they're all rich nobles and they won't let themselves act that way, so it affects the way things are shot. I want to be wowed by Shadar Logoth, feel how much more crowded Baerlon is versus the Two Rivers despite just being a mountain hick lumber town.

>>87214624
>when they all go dancing in the first book and the Two Rivers kids keep dropping their spaghetti when Moiraine joins them

>>87214592
is that the latest Goodkind manuscript?

>>87214624
>I want their to be a Fellowship of the Rings sense of wonder at all the places they travel to.
Shouldn't be hard since the whole opening is a Fellowship rip off

>>87205852
How is that wheel supposed to turn? Won't the snake break the spokes? If it goes round and round with the wheel won't the snake get dizzy and throw up its tail?

>>87214754
I always thought setting up the first third of The Eye of the World as a mirror of The Fellowship of the Ring was mildly brilliant given the "Wheel of Time" conceit. Implying that Tolkien's tale is a legend distorted by time, but this is what REALLY happened.

The whole ta'veren thing was a nice hack too, more writers should be original in their quest to be lazy. Rigney is the top hack of all hacks.

>>87214838
>Implying that Tolkien's tale is a legend distorted by time, but this is what REALLY happened.
I threw up in my mouth a little at the idea that Tolkien's tale is the imperfect reflection of Jordan's hackery

>>87214838

>here's a plot concept that literally allows the main three characters to be unkillable and skilled

And I liked how familiar Eye of the World feels. You can draw all of the parallels to FotR easily, like Two Rivers being the Shire, Baerlon being Bree, Caemlyn being Rivendell, Shienar being Lothlorien, but Shadar Logoth itself is best part. Maybe it's the Weathertop stand in, but it does so much more to give depth and history.

The last part I read in this series was when Rand and Mat are at this ruined Aiel city and they're going through all kinds of hallucinations. Rand sees the Dark One's prison being broken I think. Does anyone know which book that's in?

>>87214900
Did... did you not understand the gist of the story? It's also the tale of Arthur, Dune, our world, etc... Wow, man. Seems like a lot of this went over your head

>>87214962
Book four I think.

>>87214976
I understood it. It's thrown at you right in the prologue. It's still really insultingly bad.

>>87215039
I don't think you did understand it. Are you a Mason?

>>87215059
I'm willing to admit I don't understand the Mason meme but no I get that there's an eternal recurrence thing going on with the Wheel of Time and all of htis has happened before and will happen again in slightly different ways because the wheel weaves as the wheel wills an age long past an age yet to come blah blah blah

I don't care that he shallowly justified how derivative it all is and the fact that his main characters are mary sues has an in-setting name and everything. I still hated that.

>>87214423
>Min sniffed

>>87214955
Are you really a Dad?

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>>87197849
>using an old trailer that was made with no heart

>>87215102
Non-masonic piece of bitch.

Who's the best girl?

>>87214962
Book four, chapters 24-26 or so.

>>87215905
Min. No contest.

>>87215905

Tylin, Aviendha, Berelain, Lanfear

>>87215905
Aviendha's children

>>87215905
Egeanin with Aludra a close second

>>87215905
Nynaeve, honourable mention to Moiraine because being offstage for eight books gives her less time to shine.

Of the three main girls, Min or Avi, then Elayne in distant third. I was re-reading Fires of Heaven a little while back, actually, and couldn't help but notice how everybody comments on different facets of Aviendha over the course of the book:

>really tall
>legs for days
>soft skin over hard muscle, makes Rand sweat all the time
>large breasts
>good ass, likes showing it off to Rand
>apparently shaves down there
>hips "built for making babies" (direct quote there)
>vibrant red hair
>"deep" green eyes, Rand sometimes gets lost looking in them

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>book 10
>spend 4 chapters describing every tiny detail of over 20 women no one gives a shit about

i can't finish this shit

>>87215985
I remember that the Aiel were really sworn to never commit violence but they just used spears to get around a ban on swords or something while only a far smaller group of Leafs actually stayed pacifist. Rand got Excalibur and got more OP, the Red Ajah planned some purge, anything else I should remember or should I just resume from there?

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>>87215905
pic related from forsaken
obviously Nynaeve from the rest

>>87216180
Book 10 you can probably skip, but it's not bad for seeing every channeler in the world shit a solid brick at the cleansing.

>>87216207
Sounds like you can probably resume from there.

>>87216168

Aviendha is like his wife built for sex, Min is his normal everyday wife, and Elayne is his wife for important occasions of state.

>>87216180
Hang on, after book 10 only one more book to get to the good stuff again.

>>87216207
>the Red Ajah planned some purge
Was there ever a more useless group of women in any fantasy series ever? Single handedly responsible for fucking up the entire White Tower, and White Tower plotline, for over two thirds of the series.

>>87216273
Are you implying that 11 wasn't good and that Sanderson's shit is?

>>87216255
>built for sex
She really, really is. I didn't notice it much before, but she fucks Rand so well that it takes almost an entire book for it to start building up again.

>>87216274

They had their purpose before the source was cleansed, but it gives me satisfaction knowing a order dedicated to man-hating gets bonded and forced to men, until they like it.

>>87216344
>They had their purpose before the source was cleansed
If by "purpose" you mean "be patsies for the Black Ajah and Forsaken to fuck the world over" then sure.

>>87216274
1/4 of them are darkfriends. They're also the largest Ajah at ~200. They're a man-hating failure.

>>87216344
Yup, they had their purpose: stopping male channelers from breaking the world again. And they did it well, even if they were corrupt.

>>87197849
This is the most ambitious money laundering scheme I've ever seen.

>>87216299
You're right, I forgot 11 was actually good. It was 9-10 that was the worst part.
Sanderson's good though

>>87215905
Lanfear after she's put in her stripper body.

>>87216375
>>87216435

Rank your Ajahs

1. Green, can bond multiples, will marry warders
2. Yellow, can likely marry warders as well.
3. Brown, will have warders, maybe marry? Their task of preserving information is kind of important.
4. Grey.
5. Blue, their purpose always felt way too close to grey for their to be a distinction
6. Red.
7. White, what do they even do?

>>87216168
>>87216255
>>87216334
>woman built for sex
>also a great fighter
what did Rigney mean by this

>>87207567
comfy

>>87216569

Fit girls who also have massive tits. Tits, ass, tanned skin, and muscles. Aiel women should be boner poppers for everyone in the Wetlands.

I hope the Sranc look realistic

>>87197849
So, I didn't read the books, I just hope Sony won't fuck this up, but they'll find a way to fuck everything up, you just know.

>>87201994
>spoiling the moiraine twist that early

You might as well just put the book down

>>87216610
That's not actually possible. At least not fighting fit girls.

>>87216654
>tfw Sony fucks up so bad at adapting the books that this shit series turns into pure kino

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>>87216505

>>87197849
Is this series worth reading? Im reading Dune right now but looking for something to read after i finish.

>>87216561
Why wasn't dual- or multi-Ajahing possible with any Ajah except for Black? AJ Ayer would have been primarily White but could have dipped into Brown and Green

>>87216712
>Is this series worth reading?
Only if you're a teenager and have nothing better to do with your time.

>>87216712
Chronicles of Thomas Covenant. Give that a whirl.

>>87216712
Only if you're a Mason who can properly understand the references and context.

>>87216767
What if im an adult who has nothing better to do with my time?

>>87216795
Is that the one where it's a dream-story and the main character rapes an innocent girl in the first chapter?

>>87216800
Then read A Song of Ice and Fire or Malazan or some other pulpy mega-series actually aimed at adults.

>>87216795
This sounds cool. Ill check it out. Thanks anon.

>>87216866
Ive read all of ASOIF. Ill check out Malazan.

>>87215905
Nynaeve, Min, Aviendha, Moiraine, Siuan

anyone who is actually useful instead of stupid page-filler

>>87216900
Malazan is literally a transcription of some dude's GURPS campaign

>>87216863
Pretty much yeah.

>>87216561
1. Blue. Best Ajah, consistently best thing for the world, usually fix Red fuckups.
2. Green. Actually like men.
3. Yellow. Healers. Lose points because they should be out staffing and building fucking hospitals.
4. Brown. Also lose points because they should be using the knowledge they catalogue.
5. Grey. "We can make all sides reasonably happy" just winds up stalling things eventually.
6. White, I guess.
7. Red. Failures and fuckups. There are three Reds who are not on this list.

>>87216981
Is that bad? GURPS was the thing before DnD right?

>>87216740
Because the Aes Sedai actively discourage it, their divisions have stratified to the point that they spend their time playing political games with each other. Maybe back at the very beginning they were actually just general areas people tended to focus on, but they're completely different by the time the series happens, because the Tower just can't resist forming into their little social groups and sniping at or fighting the others.

>>87217036
No, it's not bad. It's just Drizzt tier and not original material.

[frantic googling]

Who's the best bro?
And why is it Talmanes

>>87216981
That's true! I tried one of those books and was literally transported back to the role-playing days of my childhood.

>>87216869
You're welcome. I'd also recommend the Gap series by the same author, Stephen Donaldson. Had me reaching for the dictionary a few times, but interesting stuff.

>>87217223
You spelled Lan wrong.

>>87217223
Birgitte, you fucking heathen.

>>87217309
This.

Sanderson's Talmanes was cringekino though

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>>87216561
1 Yellow - actually dedicated to healing people, most loyal to Aes Sedai name meaning (Servant of All)
2. Brown Ajah, gathering and storing of knowledge is the foundation of a civilization, most likely helped save huge amounts of information from age of legends preventing collapse back to stone age after Breaking
3. Red Ajah, when actually following guidelines, they are dedicated the preventing another Breaking and making sure men going mad don't become mass murderers who butcher villages or towns because they think someone looked at them weird
4. Grey, when doing their job they can be proper diplomats, preventing wars and besides there are never enough layers
5. Blue, apart from random question and taking up weird causes, we barely know why they even exist
6. Whites, theoretical mathematics and basic philosophies are all fine and nice when you get to live in your own Ivory/White Tower, but borderline useless in general
7. Greens, if they actually stopped having orgies and training their Warders as bed servants they might actually have time to actual battle training and helping fight against the Blight... what the fuck were like 300 Green sisters doing when Malkier fell to Shadow?

I just want to say one thing.

There have been several posts made in this thread intimating that Brandon Sanderson's contributions to The Wheel of Time were somehow not good, or inferior to what came before. To the poster(s) who made these claims, I say this: Your an idiot. Brandon Sanderson sacrificed his life for years, putting on hold projects he was developing, taking time away from his family, just to work on finishing The Wheel of Time. What he produced was actually pretty great. No, it's not the same as what the original author might have come up with, but he poured all of his skill and effort into creating three books which adequately finished the series. It was a monumental task, and to belittle it is frankly wrong. All true Wheel of Time fans acknowledge and respect Mr. Sanderson and appreciate the work he produced.

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>>87217223
Lews Therin Telamon

just imagine the internal monologue/debate going inside Rands head when Rand is thrusting his Dragon inside his harem members, not to mention the general life tips from a 400 year old channeler who was GOAT as a politician, general and leader of men.

>>87217424
>what the fuck were like 300 Green sisters doing when Malkier fell to Shadow?
Moiraine says it in New Spring the prequel. The Tower sent well over a hundred Aes Sedai to help Malkier, but they didn't get there in time, they simply weren't fast enough to get word, organise the response, and ride out.

So they don't talk about it, hence nobody knows, because they don't like admitting that it was a failure on their part.

>>87217572
>your an idiot

Always gets a kek out of me

>>87217574
>attend to that button while you're doing that, lad, yes, that's the way
>Wowsers, thanks Lews, she really seems to be enj--
>ILYENNAA
>Um you're kind of spoiling th--
>ILLLYEEENNNAAAA

>>87217124
>No, it's not bad. It's just Drizzt tier and not original material.
You can't say this and then go on and recommend WoT though. They're both highly derivative works. Malazan just isn't YA lit.

>>87217821
Are you a Mason?

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>>87217730
>wowsers

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>87217574
>just imagine the internal monologue/debate going inside Rands head when Rand is thrusting his Dragon inside his harem members, not to mention the general life tips from a 400 year old channeler who was GOAT as a politician, general and leader of men.
What did he advise him on? Which girl is best for which fetish?

>>87217572
By and large, I thought he did a great job for the most part, though I feel he really missed the mark with the parts with Mat

>>87217881
I think Rand is actually dealing with inflation and a depression-esque economy at some point in book 11, and Lews Therin pipes up with a complex explanation of economics and shit that Rand has no idea what he's talking about so he stops listening.

>>87218116

Was that in Bandar Eban?

Best place since it has all of the hot arab dancers.

This is my favorite book series, but the TV show is gonna be shit.

Still gonna watch it

>>87218116
>Rand casually offers 100,000 gold crowns for Padan Fain's head
>Lews nervously mumbles about the ripple effect on the Andoran coin and lifestyle
>The Pattern steps in and wounds Rand to stop him causing economic chaos

>>87218116
Elayne loves to micromanage Andoran tax policies, the real reason why she falls for Rand in book 4 is because LTT offers some financial tips to Rand, which allows him to impress her thoroughly, melting her heart with ancient financial wisdom regarding optimal taxation policies

>>87219215
Did Lews Therin tell her about the flat tax?

>>87203245
I'm probably going to get in trouble for revealing this, but the hunt is on for voice actors for this developing series. Yes, that's right, it's going to be animated.

>>87220024
Probably the only way they'd be able to depict usage of the One Power with any degree of accuracy.

>>87220024
>wanted a high quality western animated fantasy series for years
>it's this piece of shit
>it's by fucking sony
god damn monkey's paw

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>>87220024
meh, will probably work out better that way than having shitty CGI and crap costumes

>>87221538

They could also get the boobs the right size.

Everyone in GoT is superflat.

>>87220024
So 3-D like or 2-D animated like the "old" disney films

>>87222472
>Wheel of Time by Pixar
huh

>>87197849
>Sony

Dropped.

>>87217730
the inner monologue/dialogue better be good in the series
LTT providing solid commentary track to anything that happens

>>87225723
>Rand fucking Elayne
>Birgitte is outside trying not to have a proxy orgasm
>Zoom in to Rand's eye, silhouette of a man appears
>*record scratch*
>Lews Therin: Yeah, that's me. Sort of. You're probably wondering how I ended up in this situation. Well,

Why are all the names so stupid?

>>87226708
Fantasy worldbuilding 101

>>87217223
YES YES YES I LOVE TALMANES!!!

>>87226708
just minor variations of existing names in Arthurian and Norse mythology, with the occasional Greco-Roman influence

>>87227194
And apostrophes. Fantasy authors fucking LOVE apostrophes

Couldn't make it thru the first book when I was a teenager. Just tell me if there's dragons prominently and I'm there for this. Also it better not be anti-dragon propaganda that makes them out to be evil.

>>87227257
The only dragon you're getting is the Dragon Reborn (human).

>>87227257
>Just tell me if there's dragons prominently and I'm there for this.
There's only one dragon and it's just a title not an actual animal.

>>87227257
Dragons are fucking gay.

All the peripheral lore is really interesting too.
Stuff like the Ogier basically being dimensional travellers, and the worlds of the portal stones and the time prior to the Age of Legends.

>>87227310
>>87227323

What a bummer.

Honest question, what is the main appeal of this for you guys? I've always wondered what made WoT so popular.

I couldn't make it through the book, but it didn't seem particularly bad, just didn't click for me.

Also, was Sanderson's conclusion decent/fitting or do you disavow it?

>>87227846
>dimensional travellers

Oh neat

>>87227881
>Honest question, what is the main appeal of this for you guys?
I'm just here for memes. I stopped reading at book 10.

>I've always wondered what made WoT so popular.
Early 90's fantasy was pretty sparse and it was the first thing a lot of these people read for fun.

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>>87227881
solid fantasy series, very complex world-building, magic, warfare, politics, character development, character development, some philosophical ponderings regarding the Wheel itself...

imagine a world far larger than Tolkiens Middle Earth and characters with actual character growth, and instead of classic good vs evil, everyone just isn't 100% good

>>87227911
Yeah, the prologue for one of the Sanderson books is basically the Ogier deciding whether or not they should just fuck off to another dimension rather than fight the Dark One.

>>87228059
>imagine a world far larger than Tolkiens Middle Earth and characters with actual character growth, and instead of classic good vs evil, everyone just isn't 100% good
Sounds a lot better than Wheel of Time. What is this series?

>>87228059

Oh dang, maybe should I give it another go. I'm a sucker for worldbuilding.

>>87228240
That guys a fanboy. The worldbuilding is terrible. It's a giant fucking box and none of the cultures have logical relationships with each other or their environment (except the Aiel, who are just Fremen). They're just a bunch of tropes pressed together like legos then scattered over a nonsensical map.

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>>87213697
>that scene when it seemed like Rand lost but it switches POV to the Seanchan seeing their forces blown to smithereens

>>87227881
>what is the main appeal of this for you guys?
World Building.

>was Sanderson's conclusion decent/fitting or do you disavow it?
Was a hardcore RJ fan, and was honestly amazed at how well Sanderson pulled it off.

>>87227881
The main character Matt.

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>>87228602
>did you just compare me to an old shoe

Is wheel of time cliched and generic on purpose or did this man actually think he was writing compelling books?

>>87229723
He thought he was writing compelling books and threw in the time is a wheel and ta'averen stuff so so he could deceive himself and his fans into thinking that it being generic just made it deep in whole new ways.

>>87229543
that's a qt aviendha

>>87227881

A whole bunch of milfs.

>>87230513
This anon knows what's up. WoT is one of those things written to secretly infect young kids with fetishes.

>>87230633

Mat, who's maybe about 20? by book 9, is banging a 40-50 year old Queen Milf, and being encouraged not only by the Queen's son, but by the entire palace and city.

>>87230744
>banging
You mean repeatedly being raped by

>>87230856

Semantics. Mat never knew what he had.

Is the world building as interesting as ASOIAF? And don't let the last couple of seasons of GoT influence your opinion. I'm sure WoT is on a much larger scale because of how much more was written, but if you read both book series is the lore as interesting?

>>87231376

Some places need more depth, but as another poster said, a lot of the world building doesn't really make sense given how some cultures act and dress and relate to their neighbors. It would be more interesting if it dropped more history lessons.

>>87227257
Seanchan ride wyverns

>>87231733
Ok thank you. I just started the Eye of the World and was curious

>>87232094
Stop reading now. It's one of the worst serie's ever written. Read malazan instead. I'm serious. Stop now while you're only at the start of the first book. Put it down and walk away.

>>87229813
...are you a Mason?

>>87216180
book 10 is where I dropped it originally too. Keep the entire thing except the last chapter about the cleansing.

>>87216981
I thought it was just the first one and the setting?

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>>87227881
read it for this based motherfucker
literal motherfucker

>>87233191
book 9 is the cleansing, book 10 nothing happens, nothing thats why everyone hates it

>>87233734
I like book 10

>>87233876
why? its nothing but tea drinking, don't think rand is even in it, and mat moves maybe 2 miles, perrin does nothing

>>87233952
I genuinely enjoy RJ's storytelling style and like reading about the characters. Not saying I don't understand why others wouldn't like it, especially if you were reading these books as they were being released and book 10 is what you got after years of waiting, but I like reading it. Elayne bathing is cozy

>>87234049
its been a long time, I'd probably enjoy it more now, but yea when you were waiting years after WH and then you got CoT, it was pretty disapointing

>>87234049
>Elayne bathing is cozy
>implying Aiel sweat tents aren't superior

>>87234182
How long have you been in the WoT game, senpai?

>>87234636
True story, I paid $20 to go to a sweat lodge just to see what it was like mostly due to wheel of time. It was actually really comfy.

>>87233734
ah my bad

>>87234774

Not him, but I've been reading since 2004 or so. So by the time I even got to book 10, 11 was being released.

>>87234774
what do you mean? I started reading about the time book 7 or 8 was released, can't quite remember

>>87234896
The sweet spot.

>>87234900
>I started reading about the time book 7 or 8 was released
That's all I was asking. Respek

Will Graendal using black people as furniture be adapted accurately?

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>>87235452
>constantly distracted by qts at work
>they only want my knowledge
>essentially just a pet with skills
just let me be ripped apart by a gholam already

>>87212302
How'd you get through 4? I couldn't keep track of all the useless tertiary characters, especially the Aes Sedai and Aiel so I gave up.

>>87235895
Literally what? Book 4 is one of the most focused books in the series and the only Aes Sedai with any major focus are Moiraine, Verin and Alanna.

>>87235895
Yea if thought 4 introduced to many characters, then you definitely made the right choice to stop, thats just the main secondary characters, the real useless tertiary characters show up later, and theirs lots of them

I'll be at JordanCon 2018 if anyone wants to hang out. My handle is Elaynefan89.

>>87216981
and its fantastic

>>87235895
4 is my favorite :(

Wheel of Time has such awkward gender politics. It's like the entire series is fundamentally about "men are stupid and dangerous, ugh men never listen, let's all worship hot smart women with sexy tits, mmmm sexy tits"

It's sort of a male feminist fever dream, putting women on a pedestal and ending up really creepy

>>87236890
women are the only ones with access to clean power, women are btfo constantly nonstop and the series is not feminist it just takes place in a matriarchy

>>87236890
Not really, it's more the result of power-organisations for the past 3000 years in the setting being women-dominated. It actually highlights the imbalance, where everything is going to shit (the White Tower are a complete and utter fuckup and have been for the last couple thousand years) until both sides actually start talking and working together, and is even reflected in the magic: male and female working together is far superior to either alone.

>>87236890
You've kinda misses the point, or maybe just didn't read it all the way through, it is a matriarchy but that's not a good thing at all, in fact its very bad and almost ends the world, if anything the series is about equality real equality

>>87237025
I didn't read it all the way through, you got me. I think I read five books? In any case it's so fundamentally about gender essentialism that it's very awkward either way. I expect it to create 10,000 confused Jezebel articles.

>>87236967

The amount of female rulers, and Andor being a de jure/de facto matriarchy kind of make sense. Also the visible lack of prostitution across the continent. Stems from the influence of women in the highest forms of power and each individually living for 200-250 years. You don't get rulers like Robert Baratheon or Joffrey because the White Tower would come down hard on their asses, to the point where a nation would need to keep them out like Amadicia where a templar-like religious order has taken command.

But the series does constantly make some jabs at the women being so smart by having them routinely captured, needed to be rescued or helped by men, and then saying they were about to do it themselves and the dumb men ruined everything.

>>87236890
It's literally the opposite of that. Women have had premacy for 3000 years and accomplished nothing, a man comes along and his policies cause an industrial revolution in less than a decade.

>>87237126
>a man comes along and his policies cause an industrial revolution in less than a decade
Specifically less than two years, considering the series starts in 998 and ends in 1000. Women dumped the setting into a medieval/early renaissance stagnation for millennia.

>>87237118
>Also the visible lack of prostitution across the continent
There's plenty of prostitution, it's just never really relevant. Tom even says to Elayne after Birgitte almost dies that if she were a man he'd "Give her a swift kick in the behind and find her a prostitute". only, he cuts himself off at the end there because Elayne is a daughter figure to him.

>>87237076
You've ruined the mystery with this followup. I actually thought that might have been an epic troll

>>87203245
Well the source material is somewhere inbetween them both so it'll probably be quite average. Shitload of books sold though so it's already got a built in fanbase much higher than GoT did when it first came out, so that could help it.

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I tried reading Wheel of Time.

Got about 6 chapters into the first book and dropped it. I probably would have enjoyed it in my teenage years.

>>87237126

That's another thing that the books constantly gesture towards but you know any adaptation will fuck up. They're definitely in a Renaissance or post-Renaissance level of culture and travel, just without gunpowder, while most other fantasies aim to be more medieval.

>>87237205
They have Gunpowder, the creation of it is just monopolized by the Illuminators guild Until Mat gets his hands on it and starts building Cannons.

>>87237076
It is very much about gender relationships, but that's not a bad thing and RJ is constantly knocking the dumb bitches down a peg

>>87237170
the whole series in two years? Jesus I thought it was much longer than that

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>>87237266
>Kneel, or you shall be knelt

>>87237235

Yeah, but that's so tightly held and concentrated that it doesn't mean anything for the world yet, where armor and fortifications have be entirely rethought.

Then again, the Randlands haven't had female channelers intentionally acting like siegecraft like the damane.

>>87237281
It's closer to 4, but Rand doesn't really have any power until after he comes out of the Aiel waste and takes Cairhien, which is chronologically about half way through the series.

>>87237196
Bookstores used to give away the first half of Eye of the World for free just to hook readers.

>>87237327

I think I had one of those, it ended right at Shadar Logoth.

>>87237311
It's highlighted that the continent the story takes place on is sparsely populated. For example Two Rivers is technically part of Andor, but nobody even knows, because there's no travel between the places. In book two, it's highlighted that large stretches of land around Cairhien are just deserted. It's prime farmland, but there's just nobody to work it, and even though some kingdoms claim it on maps, they don't actually have an influence.
The Aiel came over the spine of the world with 200,00 troops, and they were enough of a military force to fight evenly with *all* the kingdoms at once.

With such a low population density, large scale warfare just isn't going to happen, which is why all the "wars" after Artur Hawkwing were really just minor skirmishes. Humanity nearly went extinct in the Trolloc Wars, essentially.

>>87237205
Red Eagles awful 'pilot' actually got the costumes right imo

>>87237288
>Kneel and swear to the Lord Dragon, or you shall be knelt
sry couldn't help myself

>>87237281
More like 3 and some change, some madman went and chronicled it:
>http://www.stevenac.net/wot/wotchron.htm
It doesn't have the final two books but Towers of Midnight and A Memory of Light can't be more than a few weeks, maybe a month.

>>87237732
>Crown of Swords is literally a fucking week
>an entire book
>a fucking week

>>87237351
I have a copy of the first free edition somewhere. I just scanned all nineteen bookshelves and didn't see it, so it must be boxed up. Never got the second one.

>>87237732
The last three are kind of wonky because the Dark One's prison is literally a black hole causing time dilation, so it takes place over a few days for Rand, weeks for the Aiel at Shaoyl Ghul, and Months for everyone else.

>>87214955
You realized Mat died at one point, no? And Rand's physical body did effectively die too.

>>87215102
Surely you realize all fantasy novels/shows/games are just rip-offs of one another at this point?

>>87238032
>one

He died like three times. First when he was hung, his heart stopped and he was saved by Rand's CPR. The second was when he was bitten by the Darkhound, but he was saved by Rand's Balefire, and the third is when he got fried by Rahvin, also saved by Balefire.

>>87238061
*hanged

>>87238061
Four times. He was also mangled by Sanderson

>>87216740
This was actually a key theme of Egwene's whole story arc.

>>87216712
Yes read it.

>>87238547
Refresh my memory pls. I remember Egwene wanting to bring all channelers into the tower. Did she try to dissolve the ajahs too?

The ajahs didn't even exist when men were part of the tower, right? Wheel of time experts feel free to chime in

>>87217223
>Not Hopper or Elyas

>>87216712
definitely not.

>>87220024
>animated instead of real life

I think I actually prefer this, based on what I've seen and heard out of GoT.

>>87227257
Why not just read Dragon Lance if you have such a hardon for dragons?

>>87238715
I can't remember her dissolving the ajahs, but yes she wanted to tie every women channeler to the tower, and yes ajahs were fluid during the age of wonders, it was just what you were doing at the time, science, diplomacy etc. you weren't locked into a single ajah

>>87238715
The tower wasn't established until several hundred years after the breaking, and the Ajahs were barely a thing until the trolloc wars.

Egwene wanted to end the stratification in the tower, because it was not only impeding the tower politically and garnering Aes Sedai a reputation for sniping and backbiting, but because it was costing them knowledge. Ajahs would have weaves they'd only teach their own people, even individual sisters would keep knowledge of some things exclusively to themselves and take it to their graves. They were preventing progress.

>>87238883
>>87238889
Sweet replies. Thanks brahs. I need to read this series again, might just have to audiobook it.

>>87228580
Don't listen to this idiot. The worldbuilding in WoT is top-notch, it even manipulates part of our modern world into the world-building so that it feels like our world gives rise to theirs: http://wot.wikia.com/wiki/Real-world_references

Either it'll suck and be canceled, or it'll be a massive success and turn to shit like GoT because they think they're better than the source material and shit.

>>87238952
That misses out on heaps. Culan Cuhann is refereenced as a friend of Lews Therin, he's pretty obviously mean to be Cu Chulainn, and the Three Foolish Kings is a reference the The Three Kingdoms etc.

>>87238981
Or maybe... just maybe... it will be wonderful and will fix all the flaws of the source material and satisfy purists while still capturing the general attention and everyone will praise it as being the greatest series of all time and it will set a new standard from which other truly great works will derive

>>87238484
>>87238061

Good catch re: Mat, my bad! The point remains though.

>>87239168
GET A LOAD OF THIS FUCKING GUY!!! XD

>>87238715
>The ajahs didn't even exist when men were part of the tower, right?
They did not, or not really.

In the time of the Age of Legends, "Aes Sedai" didn't define what you were. You could follow other occupations or the like if you wanted, as being Aes Sedai generally didn't elevate you socially (they solved world hunger, famine, poverty, etc., so it was service to the community/world that granted you a third name). The "ajahs" were temporary groups brought together in common purpose to accomplish specific tasks. For example, Lanfear (then Mierin) and Beidomon, in researching at the Collam Daan and ultimately creating the Bore, would have been an ajah.

Essentially, the word was interchangeable with "team". A "research team" or a "medical team" or a "exploration team" and so on and so forth.

Aes Sedai were all governed by the Hall of the Servants, headquartered at Paaran Disen (etymologically similar to "Paradise" and possibly also "Paris"), which was the capital of the planet (humanity had also reached other planets and possibly other solar systems, as well as other dimensions). If you could channel, then they'd either teach you to control it or you became Aes Sedai, though training was fucking hardcore. One of the Forsaken actually reminisces about how learning to hold the Void necessary to reach saidin involved him being towed on a sled behind a horse in a thunderstorm with a red hot coal pushed against his back. That said, since anything short of death could be healed, training accidents were few to none.

Rand says in the last book that he did think there were societal problems that the then-world leaders were ignoring and war would have broken out regardless of the Bore, eventually, but it was, for all intents and purposes, an absolute golden age. Average lifespan 200 years, no famine, no war, only really death by old age or freak accident.

>>87238952
>from ten paces she could sense pride and vanity
I remember the first time I realised what the description meant. Like a light going on.

>>87239241
Holy shit, thanks for this response. I knew some of this stuff but this is truly the deepest lore.

>>87197849

>Sony

>>87239168

I'll only be satisfied with:

a. full bosoms on display all the time
b. aiel sweat tents
c. all of that clad only in the light testing that aes sedai and aiel do
d. topless wind finders
e. Graendal, everything she does
f. lots of Tylin

>>87239426
>topless wind finders
I would also like to see windfinders manipulating huge torrents of the power while their ample bosoms sway around, free and unclothed.

>>87239526

What race were the sea people supposed to be?

Nevertheless, there's no way Hollywood will actually find busty actresses to portray busty characters.

>>87239576
They're pretty obviously a mix of Indian and Polynesian.

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>>87197849
We'll see

>>87239576
I always considered them to be tall negritos

>>87239604

That would make the most sense given their lifestyle.

I need to rediscover what all the basic races of each land were supposed to be. Arad Doman were like Indians, I think, maybe Perians, or Arabs? RJ kept saying coppery.

>>87239706
Arad Doman were Hispanics. Ituralde was clearly meant to be played by Antonio Banderas.

>>87239729
This is perfect casting

DAE think Hopper should be played by a wolfdog and not an actual wolf?

The hard male/female split is gonna play hell with the LGBT community. Expect some rewrites or new characters.

>>87239812

Even better when we get the two forsaken resurrected.

Forced diversity in an already diverse setting will ruin it. Mark my words.

>>87239706
iirc, Jordan liked to mix and match. So Seanchan we're Texas/Japan, Ariel were Scotland/Arab

>>87239894
the big bads of the first book being reincarnated as comic relief is almost the best part of the series

>>87239970
Seanchan were Chinese and Texan. Shienar was Japan.

>>87239984

And one of them also has some of the biggest tits in the books.

>>87239970
Aiel were Zulu and Australian Aborigine with a bit of Irish thrown in.

>>87240019
wait, how big were halima's boobs?

>>87228059
You on crack? Wot characters are literally Black and White.

>>87240066
Elaida? Galad?

>>87240066
Rand is literally Lucifer and he's the protagonist.
>Lord of the morning
>Prince of Dawn
>Breaker of the world
>Represented by a Serpent

>>87240057

>She often showed a large amount of her full, firm bosom.

No idea, let's assume huge.

>>87240107
Are you a Mason?

>>87240112
Real shame that RJ isn't around anymore to answer shōnen tit comparison questions

>>87240057
Large enough to put her in the top end, but not enough to reach Selucia's tittymonster class.

>>87240269

A bust chart would have been indispensable. Assume someone like Min has B cups and work up from there. I imagine Moiraine would be decent for her size.

>>87240107
Shai'tan is a good boy
he dindu nuffin!

>>87240378
he was just feeling left out desu

>>87240378
Reminder that the "fights" between the Creator's Champion and the Dark One are basically rigged in favour of the Light. He'll never truly win.

>>87240327
Wait, you really think Min had B cups? Any textual evidence of that?

>>87240428
It's not rigged, the dark one simply can never escape, because he's imprisoned by his own lack of understanding more than anything else. The degree of his imprisonment is 100% changeable though.
Throughout the series it's very heavily implied that the Dragon has been defeated to various degrees before, from Lews Therin's phyrric victory, to actually dying before ever reaching the last battle. There's also the valid comparisons between Rand and Lucifer which would imply that our current world is one in which he lost and was remembered as the bad guy.

Moridin's viewpoint is the opposite. No matter how many times the Wheel turns, the Dark One will eventually win, because he only needs to win once to unmake the world, whereas everyone else has to win every time.

>>87240505

She wasn't nothing, but she also wasn't ever described like Elayne or Aviendha in the chest department. Now Tuon was pretty small.

>>87240505
She's described as short and slender, but her "snug coats" still show things off.

>>87216658
Severely Underrated

>>87240428
> No matter how many times the Wheel turns, the Dark One will eventually win, because he only needs to win once to unmake the world, whereas everyone else has to win every time.
Even this is a lie that Elan's small eyes prefer to believe. Shaitan has unmade creation already, it's just that the Creator can simply remake a new one. And so it turns. Neither of them can truly not be.

>>87241101
You are a Mason

>>87241494
Has nothing to do with it. Only the epistemological assumption that there will never be a witness to say creation has not been unmade and remade, simply because any witness would not have any memory of it. Only the two poles know for sure and only Shaitan the Liar talks about it, the creator never confirms or denies it..