Why didn't Illyrio Mopatis just sell the dragon eggs and

Because he was illyterate.

>>87157892
Nobody had managed to hatch a dragon egg for a hundred years. The eggs givrn to Dany had already turned to stone anyway iirc.

>golden company
>hands of gold
>a woman's hands are warm
>cersei is going to jack off an elephant and die from the cumsplosion

>>87157892
Where did he get those eggs anyway???

>>87158018
IDK my BFF Jill?

>>87157892
He is actually Bran. All part of the plan.

>>87158099
All part of the Bran.

>>87157955
They were still incredibly expensive heirlooms. Viserys said it himself that one egg could buy him a fleet, two eggs could buy him enough men to fight and three could buy him an army.

If Illyrio gave them away freely to Drogo, why couldn't he afford to buy an army for Viserys?

>>87158075
Jesus Christ what made you think of that

>>87157892
>Le epic woodworking actor man
Reddit ftw!

>>87158143
I was horny.

>>87157892
What's his endgame?

>>87157892
20k mercs isn't enough to take Westeros.

>>87158132
He bought a relationship with them rather than an army. I mean he's never come back but theoretically they owe him a great deal.

>>87158153
'no'
it's a different actor

>>87157892
>golden company
>enough to retake an entire continent

showfags pls

>>87158132
>Viserys
How would he know the market value of fossilized eggs? It was more than likely more bullshit Illyrio told him.

>>87157892
Because then /ourguy/ wouldn't have a flying ice dragon

>>87158235
Aegon begins his conquest with just the Golden Company in the books, the idea being that he'll be able to get other Houses to rally to his cause.

>>87158235
if they had lucky timing and landed in Dorne right after Renly's death it's possible

>>87158187
It would be enough to retake an ill-prepared Dragonstone from Stannis. Or any coastal city or castle. From there Viserys could gather support for House Targaryen with other lords (potentially even marrying his sister off to someone other than a goatfucking savage) and strike at King's Landing while everyone is stabbing themselves in the back.

>>87158173
Post Jill's tits.

>>87158366
>kids these days
It isn't even an old meme.

>>87157892
>hiring mercs ever
He read Machiavelli

>>87158394
Shut up, grandpa. Go play with your fingerbox.

>>87158411
The Golden Company have a perfect reputation for never breaking a contract though

>>87158018
Didn't he marry a female Blackfyre? They probably given them out to every Valyrian just in case one hatches.

>>87158447
They might change their tune after getting roasted to death by dragons

>>87158483
he's talking about viserys hiring them

in this case if there were dragons on the battlefield, they'd be on their side

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>>87157892
Are they related?

>>87158347
>Viserys being smart enough to do any of this

Illyrio (and Varys) understood that Viserys was never going to be King, they were placing all their bets on Daenarys pretty much as soon as it became clear that Viserys was retarded. I don't know if Illyrio and Varys knew the eggs still had a chance of hatching, but they certainly planned to have Daenarys be the Targ to retake the Iron Throne.

>fatcat warmonger from some shitstain republic in charge of something like that
The Gods made him, basically

>>87158235
that's literally happening in the books atm

The Golden Company was founded by a Blackfyre who were the enemies of the Targs. No way in hell The Golden Company would back a Targ not for all the money in the world.

>>87158764
and yet they're backing aegon. most of them just want land in westeros

>>87158132
>If Illyrio gave them away freely to Drogo
Probably part of their usual "bribe the dothraki so they go away" thing they had going on
He makes Drogo happier and it helped move along the plan to put Viserys on the throne, two birds one stone sort of thing

>>87158764
JonCon nearly became captain before he faked his death and he was literally gay for Targ cock

>>87158347
viserys was too much of a prick for this to work. Do you really think that if the Targaryans had returned any of GoT would have happened? Jon Arryn isn't going to be looking into parentage while theres a war on now is he?

>>87157892
The golden company wouldn't work for a (real) Targaryen
the plan was
>have crazy Viserys land in Westeros with his army of horsenigger savages to soften up Westerosi defenses and create political chaos
>Send in "Aegon" with the Golden Company (Who are mostly Westerosi) to save the day by cleaning up what's left of the Dothraki and take King's Landing with good PR
>Blackfyres win

>>87158268
>>87158752
That's after the War of the Five Kings which more or less took the place of the original plan of sending in the Dothraki

>>87158678
why was Varys pushing Robert to assassinate Dany then?

Could pre-eclipse Band of the Hawk take Westeros if they were hired by Viserys?

>>87158764
have you even read the books?

>“I admire your powers of persuasion,” Tyrion told Illyrio. “How did you convince the Golden Company to take up the cause of our sweet queen when they have spent so much of their history fighting against the Targaryens?” Illyrio brushed away the objection as if it were a fly. “Black or red, a dragon is still a dragon.

>>87158968
The only context they would support Dany is if she married Aegon, who is a BFS.

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>>87158928
I doubt Varys seriously wanted her dead. He did go out of his way to warn Jorah that assassins were after Dany.

You have to remember that Varys plays a part. It would look really suspicious if he was trying to talk Robert out of killing Dany.

>>87158925
This actually seems really plausible to me.

>>87159026
They were going to support Dany before Aegon revealed himself to them, because in Illiyrio's words, a dragon is still a dragon.

Dany took too long to get out of Mereen however.

>>87159040
>He did go out of his way to warn Jorah that assassins were after Dany
Jorah was part of it. He had to make sure Dany was in the right place at the right time.

>>87159084
Jorah also was warned in time to stop the killing.
If Varys wanted Dany seriously dead, he could have just not written Jorah or told him to stop "accidentally" after the thing was done. Varys and Illyrio don't strike me as the types to waste a valuable asset like Dany unless they really had to.

>>87158928
dany die = khal willing to cross and attack

The golden company won't have a lick of gold on their armor/tabard designs in the show, will they? It's all black/grey/brown from here on out.

>>87159197
>Hire assassin
>Tell agent to stop assassination
How does that make sense when he could just have told Robert that the assassination attempt failed without doing anything?

Dany became an issue when Viserys followed her east instead of staying in Pentos like he was supposed to. Viserys was more important than Dany and Varys/Illyrio most likely assumed he was going to get himself killed.

>>87159275
We've already seen them technically. Didn't Stannis hire a bunch of Golden Company before he went to castle black?

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>>87158678
> I don't know if Illyrio and Varys knew the eggs still had a chance of hatching,

The only thing I can think of, is that Illyrio and Varys knew (thought) the eggs were fake and thus weren't really valuable, otherwise they'd have never given them away to Daenerys, because…

> but they certainly planned to have Daenarys be the Targ to retake the Iron Throne.

No, clearly Viserys and Daenerys were bait, moving targets to keep Robert's attention on them, thus providing cover for Aegon (Blackfyre) the Reconqueror to grow up and be trained by Jon Connington & Co.

Viserys was allowed to go off with Drogo's khalasar even though everybody knew he was utterly incompetent and would probably get himself killed or at least fuck up any supposed plan to recruit the Dothraki and marrying Daenerys off to Carl Drogo doesn't help Illyrio and Varys, if she was intended assume the Iron Throne.

Aegon on the Iron Throne was always their goal, because the odds are good that Varys is a Blackfyre himself and his (deceased) sister was Illyrio’s wife Serra and Aegon is their son.

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>>87158764
>No way in hell The Golden Company would back a Targ not for all the money in the world.

Red or Black, a dragon is a dragon.

Particularly after decades of being outcasts and with the death of Maelys Blackfyre apparently rendering the dynasty extinct.

>>87159303
Those were the Stormcrows. Davos suggests hiring the Golden Company but Stannis dismisses the idea.

>>87158132
There are more Dothraki than there are men in the Golden Company, and the Golden Company is not large enough to take Westeros on its own or someone would've paid them to do it already.

Westeros is the most developed part of the world and the most dangerous when its unified. Cersei was relying on the Company to bolster her preexisting numbers, not win her the entire war. Additionally, a mercenary company might just take the eggs and then not go to Westeros since there'd be no one to stop them, it's not like Viserys had any way of ensuring they'd listen, and there'd be no real penalty for them just taking them and leaving since Mopatis can't guarantee they'll listen either. You hire mercenaries to bolster an army, not just be your army, since there's nothing stopping them from just leaving once you pay them. If you have your own army you can make them stay since if you win you'll go after them next so they are essentially obligated to stay. No one cared about the Targs at that point enough to take issue with the Company fucking them over. Getting Drogo to fall in love with Dany and doing what she asked for her was a far safer bet.

It's like you people need everything spelled out for you, then you get upset when the show does exactly that.

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>>87159308
Alright I concede the point.
The Aegon Blackfyre angle makes the most sense.

>>87159483
>Additionally, a mercenary company might just take the eggs and then not go to Westeros since there'd be no one to stop them, it's not like Viserys had any way of ensuring they'd listen, and there'd be no real penalty for them just taking them and leaving since Mopatis can't guarantee they'll listen either. You hire mercenaries to bolster an army, not just be your army, since there's nothing stopping them from just leaving once you pay them.

Maybe normal mercs, but not the golden company, that's their defining feature in ASOIAF

>>87158268
That's a 2 part plan, that involves players beyond the mercenaries. You can't just hire the golden company and then show up, you'll only unify the houses against you. Mopatis cant predict the future and tell there'd be a 5 way civil war, he made the best option at the time. And it worked pretty well too since Dany is at Westeros and the dothraki are assfucking the Lannisters right now.

>>87159483
>the Golden Company is not large enough to take Westeros on its own or someone would've paid them to do it already.
Plus they tried and failed twice already

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>>87159483
>Westeros is the most developed part of the world

No it isn't, Westeros is the boonies compared to the Free Cities, Ghis, Asshai, etc.

>>87159611
When it comes to tech and war they're definitely way up there, just like medieval Europe. They have the best armor, the best weapons, and the best siege equipment. The only reason they're losing against Dany is because it's a 3 way fight immediately after a 5 way fight.

>>87159611
>Ghis
top kek. Ghis is nothing more than the remnants of a greater empire. As of the time of the books it's a shithole who's sole trade is slaves.

>>87159483
refer to >>87158347

Also the golden company's defining trait is that they never break their contract. If you hire them, they're not just going to run away with your money. They have a very important reputation to uphold and thus charge a much higher fee than other mecenaries do.

>>87157892
Because he was plotting with Jon Coddington to have the mummer's dragon, Aegon Targaryen, lead the Golden Company to Dany's side, marry her, and set him up for life

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>>87159698
>Best Weapons
The Myr have fucking hand-held reloading crossbows with an effective range matching a longbow. The Braavosi use rapiers, which might not be "better" than a long sword but definitely require more technique to create and are harder to master. All the free cities have navies that make Westeros look like a fucking joke. All lenses and scientific equipment used by the Maesters comes from Myr.

In the books the Free Cities are basically Rennaisance level while Westeros is still high medieval. The only reason that Westeros hasn't been btfo by a free city is because they constantly fight eachother and they have much smaller populations.

Aside from that, the show Dothraki being able to beat the Lannisters is just bad writing. Jorah comments at one point that the Dothraki's only hope would be to outnumber the Westerosi troops, which the show Dothraki do not. They also should not have any ability to take castles like at all.

>>87157892
LOL who is this guy? I know where Westeros is, I recognize dragons, but who's the golden company? Wait, is that the company Cersei is buying? LOL WHY WOULD THEY FIGHT FOR KHALEESI THEN?

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>>87159698
> They have the best armor, the best weapons, and the best siege equipment.

Westerosi have a well developed feudal military but Volantis has a huge standing professional (slave) army and all the tech in Westeros came to it from Essos, such as the “Myrish eye” (telescope) Jon uses to look at Mance Rayder’s camp outside the Wall.

Westeros is the medieval Ireland to Essos’ Byzantium.

>>87159859
> Ghis is nothing more than the remnants of a greater empire.

Indeed, at a time when the Westerosi were nothing more then fur clad savages. Essos is the advanced civilized part of Planetos with a long and storied history, while Westeros is the backwoods frontier.

Kingslanding, the largest city in Westeros would be just a suburb of Volantis.

>>87159970
Jaime was still winning against Danny's entire army until she took the dragons to the field and attacked a supply convoy not preparing for a fight. He outwitted her at almost every turn until she called for an armistice. The only reason he lost their final altercation is she came in with magic nukes and attacked an unprepared force and burned their shit. Dany's entire collective army of 3 free cities and the Dothraki are only going to win because as jaime says they're not unified as one kingdom at the moment, a sentiment Robert shared with Cersei when he explained they'd lose because Dany would be one ruler under which everyone would fight and die for whereas Westeros is almost never that coordinated. If the entirety of Westeros put aside their differences no one free city would be able to take them.

>>87160060
North of the Wall = Iron Age
Ghis = Classical Era
Westeros = Medieval Era
Free Cities = Renaissance

>>87159483
The show splicity said that the Golden Company has only 10.000 man.

This was retconned. On the last episode Cersei said she got 20.000 man, basically they jumped the shark again to make her fill the spot that Aegon has on the books.

>>87160218
I thought she said she got 20,000 men, horses and elephants but it wouldn't surprise me if they retconned that.

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>>87160159

North of the Wall = N.American Frontier
Ghis = Egypt / MidEast
Westeros = Medieval Era
Free Cities = Renaissance

>>87160060
>professional slave army
>professional slave
hmm thats the thing that made me think the most ive ever thought

>>87160159
North of the Wall isn't even Iron age, the only free folk that actually have any kind of metallurgy are the Thenn and they make their shit out of bronze

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>>87159970
In fairness the only time we've ever actually seen the Dothraki fight Westerosi soldiers is during loot train battle, when they had a dragon on their side and terrain that perfectly favored them.

It wasn't even a battle, it was more of a rout. Though Jaime does seem certain that even without the dragons the Dothraki would btfo them.


maybe jaime's just an idiot?

>>87160616
and how did that work out for the sultan (^;

>>87159483
The Golden Company's entire thing is that don't break a contract.

>>87159515
>pic
bobby would've gmaul rushed him

>>87158968
>Black or red, a dragon is still a dragon.
Jesus he confirmed the Blackfyre theory right there.

>>87160684
No they just don't have the numbers. Robert says in S1 that the dothraki will ride from town to town raping everything from women to dogs and burning every house down and without coming together the 5 kingdoms that comprise Westeros would never have the manpower to stop them, so eventually the smallfolk would agree to let Dany be queen and after that it'd be a matter of starving them out in their keeps.

If they hadn't just endured a major war that left half the country dead and the remaining half now split from the North they'd be fine. Nobody even knows whose in charge anymore. The Freys' army is probably killing itself with infighting right now since that entire house is dead too. Highgarden just got wiped out and Dorne is probably in a civil war of its own right now since there aren't Martells anymore either.

>>87160956
>No they just don't have the numbers.
When Cersei says she'll hire mercenaries, Jaime still counters that the Dothraki would fuck them up.

He seems to imply it's due to how strong they are at battle, not just numbers.

>>87161065
Did he ever actually respond to that? I only remember him saying he didn't understand how a company in Essos would help them, and then shocked that she was willing to trust Euron and not tell him. He leaves before commenting further on the company doesn't he?

>>87161065
wasn't it established that dothraki can't do shit to a man in westerosi armor (or their curved blades at least)?
i figured the comment amount the lannisters getting picked off like flies was because their morale was shattered by drogon, but why does it seem like the dothraki are formidable aside from their numbers now?

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I'm pretty sure he just used them to ensure that the Dothraki backed Dany. He doesn't want Dany and Viserys to actually win the Throne in Westeros.

He pretty much just gave them a giant horde of savages so that Viserys and would go to Westeros and ravage the lands while the War of Five Kings split Westeros. That was "Aegon" could swoop in, save the day, and be crowned King.

So how big is danys dothraki army anyway? if its anything close to drogos, theres already 40000 dothraki on the continent raping the shit out of everyone and looting everything they can just, since dany bought lots of soldiers, but no farmers?

>>87161295
It's all the Dothraki isn't it, not just one Kahl's? There's at least 1-200,000.

She's also go I think 50-100,000 Unsullied, and then her navy from the free cities.

>>87160870
Nigga its common knowledge that Aegor is a blackfyre shit

>>87161171
the only thing the dothraki can realistically be good at is running down a bunch of disorganized peasants, their gay sickles couldnt probably cut through a gambeson let alone mail or plate
they dont even have a fucking spear on horseback which is simply pure retardation

>>87161251
>AN HISTORY
...

>>87160956
Pretty much this

It's not the Dothraki's numbers that are the problem. It's that they're an entirely cavalry based army fighting against a style of warfare that basically just amounted to smashing peasants against each other and then hiding in your castle if you lost.

There's a reason Genghis Khan made one of the largest empires in human history and it wasn't because he was an especially good commander.

>>87161336
>50-100,000 Unsullied

way less than that, dany bought 8600. Probably has ~7000 remaining. Also 200,000 dothraki includes non-fighters, probably only 60,000 fighters

>>87161548
and she's currently able to house and feed all these people in dragonstone?

>>87161588
Dothraki loot what they need. That's how mongols operate. They take what they want and leave what they don't but rape it before they leave.

>>87161588
um sweetie when youre a yass queen you dont have to worry about logistics :)

>>87158132
Viserys had already tried to hire the Golden Company. He threw a big feast for their commanders, then at the end they told him to fuck off. They were happy to eat his food and drink his wine, but that'd never work for a Targaryen.

>>87161650
except dragonstone was abandoned, and dany is trying build goodwill, so her army of darkies raping every westerosi within 100 miles and taking their food might sour the peoples opinions of her

>>87161588
yes, just turn ur brain off lmaoooo

they should've at least done a scene of her disciplining dothraki for raping/pillaging or showing some kind of internal dissent. Even if they think you're some kind of god, thousands of years of the same lifestyle don't disappear without a fight

>>87161697
Not if they're dead. Then you blame it on the Lannisters and say it'll keep happening until they're off the throne. Some really fucked up shit is happening behind the scenes of Dany's empire, but she's too busy sucking Jon's dick on a boat to care about it right now.

>>87158439
what is a memegerbox

>>87161158
yeah he did

he said something like no mercenary company would save them and how cersei hadn't seem them fight or whatever

>>87161841
I'm gonna chock that up to him seeing a fucking dragon burning people alive more so than anything, and also him just wanting to take care of the zombies and trying to get her to see an armistice is the best option.

>>87157892
I forgot he was in GoT. Qyburn is his boss.

>>87161737
oh yeah the infamous
>the royal army starts killing their subjects for no apparent reason other than to steal their provisions, which they would have got anyway since thats the entire point of the feudal system

>>87161683
Couldn't that be pretty easily circumvented by Illyrio hiring them himself though?

I feel like the only thing all of these situations have in common is Mopatis. The guy seems like a fucking dope. What's his endgame?

>>87162034
I wasn't being serious but there is definitely some shit Dany doesn't know about happening when she isn't looking. Every Dothraki in her army is literally a rape monster who until recently thought it was OK to just chuck dead children in a pile and fuck their wailing mothers on top of it.

>>87161527
>smashing peasants against each other
If you think that's how medieval armies, particularly high medieval armies, fought, you need to read a book you fucking nigger.

In the books Jorah is fights Dothraki on several occasions in full plate, and they can't even scratch him. The problem, Jorah points out, is not that Dothraki can't beat knights, but that Westerosi armies are made up mostly of free-riders, hedge knights, and sellswords, not knights.

The Mongols also never faced European style knights, it's unknown how they would have fared in Western Europe, but judging by how hard they got btfo in Eastern Europe they wouldn't have done well. They never managed to properly conquer the Kievan Rus cities or anything in Poland.

In the context of GoT it's mentioned many times in the books that the Dothraki can not into seiges, and while the real world Mongols could seige, the Dothraki are not a 1-1 stand in. On top of that, Westeros is not a grassland, it's filled with mountains and rivers and forests, all of which are studded with walled cities/towns and fortified holdfasts.

At best, a Dothraki army could take maybe the Reach, the Kingland, and the Riverlands, but everywhere else in Westeros would be a literal death trap for them.

>>87157892
>Why didn't Illyrio Mopatis just sell the dragon eggs and buy the golden company for Viserys to begin retaking Westeros?

They tried, but the Golden Company laughed at Viserys and called him the beggar prince.

>>87159611
>Asshai
is just a sanctuary for blood mages, they don't even have food there

>>87161527
the mongols were horse archers, the dothraki are light melee cavalry

>>87158018
Asshai, he's a merchant with a lot of pull.
>>87158475
Or he's the Blackfyre and Serra was descended from Brightflame

even unsullied aern't hot shit

they're basically more disciplined hoplites with worse armor, they're get completely demolished by a medieval army

>>87162488
The Dothraki are horse archers too, they just don't put as much emphasis on it as the Mongols did.

They are like a weird ass mix of Mongolian and Pre-Islamic Arabic tribal warriors.

At any rate, horse archers tend to be awful at sieges unless they steal siege weapon tech from someone else.

>>87162076
Illyrio didn't really want Viserys to be king though

>Our word is good as gold we have literally never broken a contract

*Breaks contract with myr for more gold*

>>87159308
So Vary made up all the stuff about being a eunuch?

>>87160060
What is up with the shape of this world? Everything is pretty much rectangular. Is there a globe version on the map anywhere?

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>>87160753
An yet the first mention of them is about how the Golden Company broke a contract with Myr in favor of Volantis

>>87162983
King's blood is likely the reason he was sold and cut.

will we ever see this guy again?

>>87160956
They never really had to fear the Dothraki cause they would never cross the ocean. I know that has changed now on the show.

I can't remember but in the book, doesn't Daenerys basically have only women and old Dothraki?

>>87162769
He absolutely did. His entire reason for helping the Targaryens in the first place hinged on him being instated as master of coin once Viserys retook the iron throne. If the plan was to kill Viserys and put Danny on the throne instead he could have easily killed Viserys while he was living in his villa.

>>87163127
In S1 the Aegon plot was still on the cards afaik and now it's been cut his role is superfluous.

I thought that Viserys thought he would find a way to hatch the dragons eggs himself

>>87157892
Book Lllyrio is a hyper jew overlord and knows everything the readers don't.

He knew the dragon eggs were not dead and planned to use Targ DNA and psychokinesis ability to unhatch them.

>>87163082
Which was mentioned because it was particularly noteworthy, and the only reason they did it was to back Aegon's claim, because they're Blackfyres, and their loyalty to someone like Aegon is the root of their order.

This is sort of irrelevant when discussing about how mercenaries are unreliable in a losing fight, or will take the money and leave.

Why is Ilyrio not even mentioned ine show anymore? He basically gives free nukes to Dany for free and just disappears.

>>87165121
*three nukes

>>87161171
Westerosi armour.
Yes, but you pretty much have to be a knight to have that. Otherwise you're a peasant or maybe an auxillary. In which case, they will cut you down.

>>87162091
>chuck dead children in a pile and fuck their wailing mothers on top of it.
truly the best in life

>>87160060
>Tfw we'll never ever learn what's east of Qarth

>>87157892
Cause he wanted to watch Knights vs Zombies happen

>>87166063
...Yi Ti

>>87160703
very well for over 2 centuries.