At what exact moment did GOT turn to complete shit? I personally

>>87143005
When Ned died.

>>87143113
This
Sean Bean was carrying that whole season

>>87143113
fpbp

>>87143005
That was the best part. Is there anything sexier than the sounds of a little girl screaming in pain? It just makes me rock hard.

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>>87143113
I can agree to this. The Eddard scenes are all great in S1.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEB5t1qRdmY

>>87143005
When Barristan died I literally stopped watching the rest of the season.

Carried on watching it with my roommates next season but I never enjoyed it again.

Season 2 when they derailed from A Clash of Kings like Granpda Tywin in Harrenhal, Talisa, Daenerys in Qarth, and no Ramsay/Reek in Winterfell with Theon.

>>87143278
Yes S2 was when it really went off the rails.

They replaced Robb's wife with a 21th century spunky feminist because they thought a romance story would be more interesting than Robb's honor bringing on his downfall. All they achieved was showfags hating Robb for being a horny kid when in the books he's portrayed more as a victim of his circumstances that try to do the honorable thing even if it's not the smartest thing. There is so much character lost there.

>>87143005
It was already declining in quality but when Miss Andy and Grey Worm showed up and had whole scenes of dialogue is when It killed it for me. That's when it went full soap opera for women. They started focusing on relationships and love stories more than plot and political intrigue.

>>87143405
I have no idea why D&D fucked over Robb so much in the show. They made him into a retard who pissed away his Frey alliance for Essos pussy.

>>87143005
I nearly stopped watching when Littlefinger died, however I gave up watching when the wall fell.

>>87143564
My guess would be that they saw a character who fangirls would find very attractive so they basically reduced him to a girl fantasy of him marrying out of love even when it's politically wrong because love trumps all!

Of course that's D&D OC overriding the world logic and Robb's characterization so they can do their cynical little storyline that just meant less sympathy was had during the Red Wedding. Bok wedding had a much greater impact because you feel for Robb doing these things because he wants to do the right thing but everything goes to piss anyways. That's why the Red Wedding is tragic. You really hope that the tides will change in his favor because his actions are honorable but it instead becomes darker and darker instead.

In the show, the Red Wedding was more shock factor than tragedy. You can tell in interviews D&D values the scene for its shock value of "omg I did not see that coming" and not the far more stronger impression of tragedy where you lose several characters you really hoped would end up in a better place. They are very average TV writers adapting a work beyond their comprehension.

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I recently rewatched it, it goes downhill at the middle of the third season.

>>87143005
Talisa of Volantis. Season 2 was the last season I watched.

After the Red Wedding.

To me it was more subtle but still.
When there was the Fookin Legend thing, with the Watchers hunting rebels.
I didn't hate the fact that there were deserters and such, I hated the way they portrayed the whole thing, and it was completely original.
Fookin Legend was drinking from a skull and making an evil speech. It looked like a cartoon, with villain making evil gestures and laughing evilish.
And then the Watchers decided to make a surprise attack... By running through Craster's Keep shouting "For the Night's Watch!".
What idiocy is that, you are hunting deserters, it's not chivalry.
But still, it was passable, and the nail in the coffin was the failed Theon's rescue, which was absolutely pointless and comical.

>>87143405
This was when it really started going to shit. They should have kept the original story, it wasn't that hard to understand and it wouldn't have ruined Robb.

It was all downhill from here on out, but I really gave up when Barristan died.

>>87143727
Yep. Robb was the start of the love story soap opera bullshit and after they saw the reaction to the wedding they decided to turn it up to 11.

>>87143727
Even in the books, I had a feeling the Freys were going to fuck him over, but nothing like the Red Wedding. I was fortunate to read the series back in 1998 so there was little danger of spoilers.

In the end of A Clash of Kings, Arya found out the Freys in Harrenhal were pissed as fuck because they found out about Robb "betraying" them. So there was definitely foreboding there.

I honestly thought that the Freys were going to abandon Robb in battle like those 2 Scottish lords did in Braveheart. Slaughtering Robb's Northern and Riverlands troops caught me off-guard despite the clues from the House of the Undying.

Honestly, GRRM has nobody but himself to blame for allowing D&D to fuck over his work. At least he has all his millions to comfort him because pre-HBO adaptation, I don't think he was raking in mega-bucks like he does now.

>>87143795
>But still, it was passable, and the nail in the coffin was the failed Theon's rescue, which was absolutely pointless and comical.
"Oh no, not THE COUPLE OF DOGS! RUN!"

>>87143235
Man, fuck women. They are whore-ish, disloyal, unfriendly, don't contribute anything to society, and are terrible for your morals and principles.

>Be in High School
>Be on Cross Country team
>Before every meet, our team is congregated under the team's tent waiting for the races to start
>Coach's wife and 4 year old daughter always show up about 30 minutes before the race
>1 year old daughter always recognizes out uniforms, and runs up to us to give each individual person on the team a hug
>We look absolutely ridiculous when she does this, and are laughed at by everyone
>One day I get absolutely annoyed when she does it
>She gets to me, and I push her off of me, propelling her about 4 feet in the air
>Coach is absolutely infuriated at me for refusing to babysit his child, and starts to yell at me
>Some other adults have to hold that faggot back from me
>I start to yell back and tell him how his daughter made our team look like an absolute joke before every race
>Kicks me off the team right then and there

I didn't give a fuck then, and still don't give a fuck now. I stood my ground and stayed by my principles. It's not my faults he's raising a whore for a daughter.

>>87143940
Don't get me started on that shit. Remember how in the beginning of Yara's rescue mission at the Dreadfort how the Ironborn used their axes to take out guards? And then magically, they lost their axe-throwing skills against a shirtless and helmet-less edgelord with knives?

Don't forget that fucking scene was the first taste of D&D's magical traveling bullshit in which Yara was able to circumvent Westeros in record time.

>>87143885
I'm in the same camp. The Freys were going to betray him regardless. Walder Frey was always very slippery and greedy. They used Robb's annulment as the excuse they needed to break free of their failing alliance. They could've pulled back from the alliance without slaughtering Robb and Robb would probably let them be. Tywin's offer was too hard to resist though.

>>87143940
And then, in the very next scene the whole Iron Men crew are outside of the castle, and we hear distant barking.
Were these dogs crippled? Was it Ramsay chasing the Ironborns making dogs sounds?

Season 1 was fantastic. I truly thought we were in for something special. Season 2 was instantly shittier. Questionable changes to characters and storylines that made the overall experience worse. Would I say complete shit? Not just yet. I guess I was eased into it but by the end of season 2 - beginning of season 3 is when it became complete shit. It's hard to pinpoint. Maybe because I want to believe it was something special for longer than a season.

>>87144013
The pacing has ruined more than I expected it would. In the beginning it was kinda clear which characters are big players in what regions, and it took characters multiple seasons to change between them. Now the world is reduced to a small town where everyone can walk to another part within a day as they please, including giant armies.

>>87144019
Jaime was interesting all the way up to season 4, I think. Then he was neutered...

>>87144013
Yeah, Walder Frey could've easily just told Robb to go fuck off.

He's a slimy dude, but after reading The Mystery Knight, I can sorta get why he extracted those concessions from Catelyn. His sister's husband backed Daemon Blackfyre and lost 9/10 of his wealth and holdings so that's why the Freys hedged their bets and didn't get involved in Robert's Rebellion until after the Trident was won.

Even Robb knew that he owed the Freys a lot. Walder's eldest son and heir Stevron died while fighting for Robb (though it's implied that one of his relatives assassinated him). Plus the Frey troops were a boon to Robb's forces. Marrying Jeyne Westerling was misguided honor-turned-into stupidity of the highest order.

>>87144172
Season 2 had Jaime murder his cousin; something the book version never did. That cousin accidentally died while he and Jaime were being escorted.

>>87144223
If Ser Stevron was alive, they would never have betrayed Robb. The guy was a diplomat first and foremost and he was very loyal to Robb. Everything that could've gone wrong went wrong for Robb. Guy had the luck of a cursed man.

Is this the best scene in GoT?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47MazYDnmaU

>>87143445
This.

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>>87143005
>At what exact moment did GOT turn to complete shit?
Here.

>>87144423
This is very true. Stevron was half-Royce on his mom's side and was very honorable. I think one of his relatives killed him because of the fact that he would try and settle things between his father and Robb. Not to mention he was the heir to the Twins and if he died, it'd mess up the whole line of succession.

>>87144553
>TV Tywin knows that his servant is a Northern girl whose obviously brought up in a Noble House
Doesn't keep her hostage. Even if she wasn't Arya Stark, Tywin would be retarded to give up a Northern lord's daughter that he could blackmail into not fighting against the Lannisters anymore or else.

Red wedding is where is changed into event television.

I liked how the show started off with a large number of intertwined and interdependent character driven plot lines and the implication they'd all collide at some point far down the line.

But then every season just sheared off more and more plot lines until, by season six, there was nothing left. Then season seven was just taking all the characters who's plot lines had already ended and trying to do some big throw down with magic zombies, who, had characters not been morons, would have never been a threat.

>>87143005
>if the lamb sees the knife it'll panic and the panic will spoil the meat, they've never see my knife!

>make sure the princess knows her parents chose to burn her alive! Make it last and make sure she suffers!

>>87144553
No, Arya wasn't an edgelord yet.

If they had explored that plotline and had her grow somewhat attached to Tywin while conflicted about killing him or not, the show would have been better off.

I think it starts to go downhill severely around season 6 but fragments of it started going downhill earlier.

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>>87145249
To be fair that whole story is pretty dumb in the books aswell

>ok you get to pick three people to kill
>I'll not name the Mountain even though I'm most afraid of him and he tells these disgusting stories and hurts all these people
>I'll name a cook that kicks me and one of Mountain's guys oh dang it I forgot all about Tywin and the rest
I get that GRRM wanted to show that little girls are dumb but it becomes frustrating as a reader having the most OP assassin ever be one word away from ending the whole conflict.

Ned, tywin and joffrey carried this show

>>87145249
>If they had explored that plotline and had her grow somewhat attached to Tywin while conflicted about killing him or not, the show would have been better off.
I have to agree with this. It makes her conflict with that death list interesting because Arya has a connection with Tywin Lannister despite being a sworn enemy to her House.

>>87145342
At least the TV series had Gendry call Arya out for her idiocy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZH3lWhUHTI

If Arya had listed Tywin, Joffrey, and Cersei, the series would've taken a dramatic turn.

>>87143258
This is literally a completely different show than what it is now

>>87143005
There are still flickers of goodness in the show, but generally season 4 is when things take a turn. Especially the finale and Tyrion's killing of Tywin. That's just when the flaws became too great to ignore

For me the red wedding. They killed all the characters I liked and lo and behold I no longer wanted to watch the show. Crazy.

when tyrion killed tywin

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>>87144011
Everything about that arc was so obscenely retarded, I had a lot of qualms about a lot of things that happened before but that completely opened my eyes to how shit the show had become.

The immense contrast between the fight scene in S1 where Jorah wins because of his armor, versus the naked dual wielding ninja boy with dogs vs fully armored seasoned raiders was obscene.

Not to mention the whole sailing literally around the entire continent and back again as if that's just some trip that take.

>>87145638
>but generally season 4 is when things take a turn
I am pissed as fuck that they ruined Davos reading the Night's Watch letter to Stannis. It's probably one of the most powerful moments in A Storm of Swords because Davos is risking his life to make his king listen to reason and duty.

How the fuck do you go from this:

>“There’s much I don’t understand,” Davos admitted. “I have never pretended elsewise. I know the seas and rivers, the shapes of the coasts, where the rocks and shoals lie. I know hidden coves where a boat can land unseen. And I know that a king protects his people, or he is no king at all.”
>Stannis’s face darkened. “Do you mock me to my face? Must I learn a king’s duty from an onion smuggler?”
>Davos knelt. “If I have offended, take my head. I’ll die as I lived, your loyal man. But hear me first. Hear me for the sake of the onions I brought you, and the fingers you took.”
>Stannis slid Lightbringer from its scabbard. Its glow filled the chamber. “Say what you will, but say it quickly.” The muscles in the king’s neck stood out like cords.
>Davos fumbled inside his cloak and drew out the crinkled sheet of parchment. It seemed a thin and flimsy thing, yet it was all the shield he had. “A King’s Hand should be able to read and write. Maester Pylos has been teaching me.” He smoothed the letter flat upon his knee and began to read by the light of the magic sword.

To THAT:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6o8BUlj6LEU

>>87143405
the scene where he first meets Talisa on the battlefield and helps her saw a guys leg off is so fucking stupid

>>87145900
The idea that some Volantese noblewoman would show up in a war zone in a foreign land and be a surgeon is quite possibly the most far-reaching lunacy I've ever seen. Why the fuck would she be allowed to be in the Riverlands?

>>87145958
Because fuck you she's a stong independent woman and cleans the shit after men's wars.

>>87146073
Yeah, but she's a foreigner who has no business being in Westeros. And what if the Lannister forces catch her in battle? There's no International Red Cross or respect for non-combatants in this kind of brutal medieval warfare.

>>87145900
>>87145958
whole scene is a huge red flag
>all these highborn lords are walking around on foot
>"hi my name is Roose and I think we should execute and flay everyone because I'm evil"
>the king in the north squats down to help some random nurse cut a guy's leg off as she lectures him about how bad war is

>>87146153
I liked that theory that Talisa was a Lannister spy, but the writers aren't clever enough to do that.

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>>87145750
In the Season Finale when Jaime was talking with the guards dude about the plan to join in the fight against the Night King, he said it would take the army 3 days to march to White Harbor.

That seems...Not long at all. It was the 1st time I've heard them mention a time frame on that show when it was talking about travel.
But I guess it fits into D&D's time jumping.

>>87145832
Stannis is hard but just in the books. Brutally honest, brutally harsh but also brutally fair.

Show Stannis isn't that. It's just some guy on an island talking and talking.

>>87143005
Dragons hatching was the shark jumping moment

>>87146310
Remember how he just sat on his ass throughout most of Season 4 until Davos convinced him to go to the Iron Bank and get their backing? Then the Iron Bank goes around and agrees to fund Cersei? Or the Lannister army somehow besieging Highgharden off-screen successfully?

>>87143005
this whole season
too late to stop now, but the next season is gonna be a fucking mess

>>87145832
What happened to Lightbringer?

>>87146370
I like how they tried to mirror that with the Whispering Woods even though it's NOTHING alike. It's not like Jaime baited the Tyrells away from Highgarden. Or split his forces up in two. Or did any of the things that made the Whispering Woods ambush work. Where did the Tyrell army go? Oh I guess the sigil of a rose means you're weak and gay.

>>87146290
That's doesn't make sense though, it's pretty close to winterfell and that took a month for the king. Just getting the army ready would take days and an army doesn't really sprint, we're talking maybe 20 miles a day?

Unless Westeros is significantly smaller in size than Iceland hah

>>87143005
Babies in jars.

>>87146290
if he meant the armies in kings landing marching to white harbor, that means that distance cant be any longer than like 30-40 miles at most.
I did some googling, and it said that mounted troops could go as far as 30 miles a day if they had two horses, but non-mounted troops would only travel 8-10 miles per day. There was a recorded case of a standing army traveling 28 miles in a day, but that distance is rare.

even if that was the case, they'd still be shy of 100 miles. I thought westeros was massive, not the same size as Massachusetts

>>87145249
No it is about been edgelord. It is about of everything wrong with this scene.

1. Absolutely unnecessary and uncalled change of the books plot.
2. Forced Tywin is absolutely out of his character. He is not person who would give a single fuck about simple cupbearer, and if he suspects that cupbearer is not simple, as already said he would take her as hostage.
3. Arya jumps straight into cushy job instead of eating another bowl of shit that is crucial to development of her character, tempering her from noble gril into edgy deathlord.
4. Roose Bolton in the books taking Harrenhal is very notable event too. At first it is like "finally saved by cavalry" for Arya, "i reached my father's bannerman, i am home..." but then revelation that her father's bannerman may be even more dangerous than Lannisters themselves. Great insight in the House Starks politics.
All these nuances of original material are replaced with stale stereotype of so smart servant and master jest. Fucking drooped.

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>>87146529
the Kings retinue moves slower than an army on the march

>>87146529
I think Robert made it a point of saying it was slow because they brought the whole court, children, women, etc.

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After this episode.
Nothing was as violent and the rest seems like they are babying us.

>>87146529
>>87146583
That's what I'm saying. When I heard him say that during that episode, I didn't know where White Harbor was. I just assumed it was a half way meeting point or something. But looking at that map, that looks a hell of a lot farther than a 3 day march lol. Or the continent is dwarf size in reality. But really, it's just D&D are morons

>>87144841
Yeah but Tywin was secretly a nice guy who cares about people except all the times he was the complete opposite

Anecdotally, I remember watching Season 1 and thinking that as smoking hot as Dany was, constantly getting her tits out, all I wanted was more of the political intrigue. I wanted the thrills of a dude throwing a child out of a window to protect the fact he was porking his sister, the Queen, behind the king's back.

Nowadays, they have entirely disregarded the political side. House allegiances mean nothing. You can't bring up legitimate complaints, like travel time or raven flight speed, because whether the show has just reached meme status or has a huge influx of normies, you get met with a 'lol just turn your brain off they have dragons lol'.

>>87143163
Sean Bean is an incredible actor. He carried The Fellowship too

>>87146988
His extended edition scene in Two Towers was great as well
>Remember today, little brother.

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Is Stannis even dead? Why was his death off screen when he got "killed" by Brienne? They showed his daughter and wife die clearly on screen.

>>87147169
Wheres Lightbringer?!?! No one saw his body & gave him a proper burial or burning?

The episode after Viserion died. I was right after rewatching The Sopranos, so I thought that they would go a in depth about it. Maybe Drogo has his corpse on display, as a trophy, and Dany is conflicted about it, etc. You know, get us into characters heads.
It was never menitioned agin. Just a cheap death for shock value and ebin cliffhanger.

>>87147169
Le ebin reabbarance foreshadowing :-D

>>87144005

pasta

>>87143005
Season one, episode 1, right after the opening credits were over.

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>>87143005
Red Wedding

>>87144005
If this is even remotely true, you are the biggest faggot I think I'll see for some time.

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The moment the show completely went to shit (other moments that strayed from the book were bad, but not show breaking) was when Tyrion and Jaime said their goodbyes.

This was the moment where the writers decided "fuck it" because they cut the Tysha story. They already planted the seed of the story in season one, but then just dropped the plot line, they made Jaime and Tyrion have a happy goodbye.

This was the first warning that the story was going to shit.

>>87143113
I liked the idea of betraying and killing Ned, but it didnt really handle it all that well

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>>87145832
Pretty much, pretty much
Also having to explain to my friends the implications of the scene where Littlefinger kills Lysa because they forgot who Jon Arryn was. But that's not really the shows fault exactly.

>>87145832
I should read the books

>>87148235
The books are amazing. It's like if Tolkien collaborated with Faulkner. It's complex fiction on a level that the show was never able to attain.

>>87143445
For me it was when there was that dorne bullshit.

Looked like lost tier quality.

>>87148235
It's a good time. It's everything you loved about the show but much more complete in its execution and understanding of the world and the characters.

>>87143005
When bran met the tree god thing. Dragons are fine, ice zombies are fine, even fire daughter fuck babies are fine but stupid omniscient things that were only there to make bran walk again and turn him into a pervert was a little too much

>>87147169
With most writers a character being killed off screen usually means they aren't really dead. With the hacks that are D&D there really is no telling and they may just be that incompetent

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>>87143005
20 good men.

I don't care that Littlefinger died, but the show's death for him was so undramatic and lame it was appalling. It would be like if after Luke blows up the death star and he gets a comm saying that vader was actually on the death star and the war in won.

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>>87144005
What?

>>87145433
holy fuck i forgot that arya could act or at least show emotion

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When Tywin was killed, Tyrion stopped drinking, and the show stopped being about the war of the five kings and instead YASS SLAY QUEEN taking up 80% of every episode's run time, with the other 20% being fart jokes and "REMEMBER WHEN THIS HAPPENED?"

>>87145477
It felt so much more simple and down to earth rather than complicated and all over the place. Every season 1-3 felt planned out and detailed correctly. Now every episode seems so reactionary to what fans thought of the episode beforehand.

>>87149267
*episode of season 1-3

>>87149154
>REMEMBER NED XD T_T XD
>LUL U MEMBER FATHDER
>YIS HE GUD MAN LUV U NED T)T

>>87149154
this, anything that doesn't deal with intrigue and court affairs is dull and uninteresting. the dragons and white walkers have always been the weakest part of these stories.

>>87146988
now thats an an absurd over exaggeration

>>87149154
In the books Tyrion starts drinking even more and fucks even more prostitutes after killing Tywin. I hate they deleted that scene with Tyrion fucking a 16 year old slave girl with whip scars on her back. Instead the show whitewashes the fuck out of him completely removing his darker sides. The fact that he's now trying to keep Cersei alive is mind boggling when in the books her rape and death is the only thing that keeps him going. He's now a nobody character acting more like a vessel of the audience than his own being.

>>87143005
I agree it's Shireen's death. The show was already shit at that point but Hardhome somehow turned out to be one of the GOAT episodes. Past that point you just have Stannis's character assassination and the shitshow of everything after.

>>87143005
Whatever season it was the cock got cut off. The entire season had no substance and was just for shock value.

>>87144005
>misread that as 4 daughters
>pushing a 1 year old

you're a meany head

DUDE CONTRARIANISM LMAO

>>87149742
Listen up you cocksucker sheep. Disliking something popular is not forbidden and using its popularity as an argument to defend it in a thread where countless posts have written detailed flaws ousts you as the faggot.

>>87144005
they other team was laughing at you because you look like a dyel faggot, not because some kid was hugging everyone

When they introduced Robb romance with that foreign girl as a main arc.
That's the turning point when the show went full feminist.

>>87149839
Dude were on 4chan. Were all faggots. You just happen to be the biggest one ;^)

>>87149742
>sh-shut up it's still good you nit pickers!
>oh my god, I've been watching this shit for six years

Tywin death

When they changed Tyrion's motivation for killing Tywin and dropped the whole Tysha subplot. Season 4 was a slow death to the show anyway, but the final episode really showed how little D&D cared about the books. Glad it was at the end of the season so I was able to drop it right there.

When Sansa married Ramsay and stole Theon's redemption arc. Sand Snakes were introduced that season too

>>87148688
20 Good Men were in the book, they're a Bolton militia Ramsay would ride with

>>87150089
The introduction of the fucking sand sneks was the exact point I stopped being able to even tolerate this shit show

>>87143277
At least one show character died in an actual battle.

>>87148106
I agree with this. Other than Robb's "thicc" adventure with the foreign whore, this was the one time where they had laid the ground works for something subtle and extremely powerful, but decided to pander to the lowest common denominator viewer.

Battle of the bastards and Cersei blowing up the sept and Tommen ending his pathetic life saved season 7, but season 8 was literal meme status.

>>87150127
yes but I doubt that they are going to single-handedly destroy stanno

>>87143005
I started skipping episodes after Oberyn got his head crushed by the mountain.
Now all of a sudden the mountain looks like darth vader in armor. wtf happened?

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>muh stannis isnt dead we didnt see his body
We didnt see Shireen's body either faggots

>>87150609
He died to the poison from Oberyn's spear and Qyburn reanimated him or something.

>>87144019

Season 3 was way better than 2. 4 is where they introduce a bunch of dumb shit

>>87150613
Davos found her ashes with the stag he made for her, faggot. SHOW US HIS BODY

>>87150714
Not her ashes, just burnt wood. Are you an expert in ash identification?

>>87150329
what's wrong, you don't like THE BAD PUSSY?

>>87150738
Yes I am. I can tell by the grains and from seeing a lot of ash before.

>>87143005
>"Who said anything about her?"

Objectively. The show went downhill from the beginning of season 5. There were warning signs as early as season 3 (Talisa) and the end of season 4 lacking the Tysha reveal/LSH was the real red flag. The show had a chance to course correct in season 6, but by the time that started airing it was obvious 5 wasn't a fluke and the show would never reach the seasons 1-4 heights again.

>>87143113
>>87143163
Amazing season. Though I know a guy who when the show debuted said it was the best show ever. Little would he know.

>>87143005
Season 5. I finished it and realized that they were straying too far away from the books then. Plus the fanbase killed it.

bad poosee

I have a question. I stopped watching GoT around the time Sid the Sloth reached area with the iron bank and had to find that master using the coin thing. What episode was that?

>>87145322
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>>87149845
Relax people, it's a pasta.
Something for you newcomers, 95% of the greentexts you encounter here that have a noticable edge to them are pastas.

>>87150751
that bitch was sub-human nerd bait

>>87150613
They showed her being burned alive. Stannis was literally stabbed off screen by Brian

>>87148106
>>87150446
They could have given tyrion 2 seaons worth of growth on his own but he esentially has been standing around once he met Dany

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>>87143005
Stannis is so shit in the show. I see why Stephan Dilane hates it. Visually he's great, and he's a good actor, but damn the writing sucked.
>>87143163
Mark Addy was great too though.

>>87143564
They prefer to set up seeming perfect love and then subvert it (see tyrion/shae).

After all, subversion of love is what it`s all about. The only real love is reserved for foreigners and incest. No political agenda there from these jews.

Besides that original story? Robb being manipulated by a girl? Trying to do the honorable thing for girl? That might just redpill some people about gender relations.

Better to keep things bluepilled. And have one of the most traumatic events be death by being stabbed in the pregnant belly. Any association of death with pregnancy is good for slight influence on fertility. Dany, Melisandre, Talise and soon Cersei.

Seriously why isn`t cersei worried as fuck about prophecy in regards to the pregnancy.

>>87143853
Robb/Talisa and Tyrion/Shae

What do people mean they're disappointed by the lack of the Tysha reveal in season 4?

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>>87144005

the real warning sign was the first time Shae appeared. quite possibly the worst casting of all time

>>87143746

tyrion being nerfed after he killed the shit out of shae.

i was cringing earlier when tyrion was pussyfooting dropping that whore the minute he learned he was getting married

>>87144992
the show couldve ended there and be known as the stark tragedy.

come back new directors, new stark children actors, a finished plot already written by grrm who wasn't wallowing in fame too long to get work done.

>>87144553
Yeah, immersion broken, never regained from this point onwards.

>>87144553
I haven't read the book so I didn't mind her meeting him, but I was expecting that this was going to lead to something interesting, anything really, but literally nothing happens, it just waste of time.

>>87155163
In the books, when Jaime frees Tyrion from the dungeons, he reveals that Tyrion's whore wife wasn't a whore, and was actually the crofter's daughter and loved him. Tywin forced Jaime to play along in the ruse in order to "punish" Tyrion.

>>87143727
A faithful animated adaptation would be nice.

>>87143113
Honestly this.
It wasn't COMPLETE shit after season 1, but it has never been the same. Season 4 was fucking great, though, probably a close second to season 1. The show is still worth watching (though I haven't seen season 7 yet, currently rewatching whole series first) but it will never be as wonderful as season 1 was.

>>87149267
>Now every episode seems so reactionary to what fans thought of the episode beforehand
Right....because they wait until after each episode airs before they write, film, and edit the next one, all within 6 days....
Are you literally fucking retarded?

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>>87148447
>The books are amazing.

>>87156236
Or they test-marketed during production.

>>87148447
>ASOIAF
>amazing
>like if Tolkien collaborated with Faulkner
R
E
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A B S O L U T E L Y
R
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>>87145249
>No, Arya wasn't an edgelord yet.
Oh man she is really terrible isn't she?

>The way she speaks
>That smirk she does
I fucking hate her character so much ever since she was stabbed with a knife deep in her stomach and survived.

If the rumors are true and she kills Jaime... fuck this bitch

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>>87148447
>The books are amazing. It's like if Tolkien collaborated with Faulkner.
>mfw

Season 4 is when it jumped the shark and turned into mostly garbage...

>muh sandsneks
>muh fookin' legend of gin alley
>muh stronk womyn comes to save her dickless brother
>muh stronk womyn defeats the hound

...mostly.

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Jaime is like the only reason that this show is still watcheable. I hope they don't kill him off

>>87145342
it sort of makes sense, though I agree its still kind of dumb.

The first was a test.

The second she didn't have a choice in, she needed to kill him before he fessed up about her.

And the third she had to do because she needed to get out of Harrenhal.

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>>87145249
>>87156705
What went wrong?

>>87143005
Yes, this was it. It was so wildly out of character. In the books, Stannis refused to burn soldiers who stole food and killed horses. He told the Iron Bank that if he died before their mercenaries arrived, they were to make sure his daughter sat on the Iron Throne or "die in the attempt". But I'm supposed to believe he'd burn his own daughter, to take fucking Winterfell? Fuck that.

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>>87156758
Hey at least Brienne has some character development i.e. she bonded with Jaime and didn't mind the Lannisters after hating them a lot in the beginning. She isn't anywhere near the same level as Arya is.

>>87156797
>The first was a test
Why not test it with an important target? What does she have to lose if it doesn't work?

Hardhome was the last decent episode.

>>87143258
god this show was so much better originally

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>>87156854
In the books the most important person there was maybe the Mountain, which would have had a minimal impact on the war anyway.

It could've been months, maybe years before she got feedback from trying to kill someone like Tywin, or anybody in KL.

they don't have teleporters yet remember

>>87145433
>half the country's starving and look at this one
>maybe he's the reason half the country is starving

i miss this level of bantz.

now it's just all cock jokes

>>87143005
s1e1

Anyone who thinks they enjoy it has been memed into liking it by peer pressure

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>>87148447
>It's like if Tolkien collaborated with Faulkner

>>87156983
I loved this show from season 1, before it was popular, before anybody even knew what the fuck it was. I had literally never heard of it before my buddy asked it I wanted to watch the premier of some new show on HBO. I was instantly hooked. Really engaging characters and storylines.

Not liking GoT is fine, everybody is entitled to their opinion, but not liking it JUST because it's popular makes you a huge faggot.

>>87146290
He doesn't say that, I just rewatched the scene. He said they'd start marching North in 3 days, his general bitch it'd take longer to prepare shit, but he says they have to rush.

White Harbor isn't mentioned at all.

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It started happening at the start of season 5 for me. The writing clearly took a shit, but it wasn't until this season that I actually stopped giving a fuck and not watching anymore. Started looking up spoilers to see how the fucked it up this time

The logistics are retarded, the fact that the lannisters still have an army is retarded, dany is general drives me nuts, and there's mary sues all over the fucking place now.

And Arya has turned into an unlikable cunt who can't die and has horror-film-tier chase scenes

>>87147169
>>87148641
they claimed that showing his death would be gratuitous

which seems insane, this is the same show that showed us a man brutally getting his head crushed and multiple scenes of rape and torture that weren't in the books, or happened offscreen in them.

>>87150127
>>87150585
and they're all loyal to roose, not ramsay

Season 2 is where its cracks started to show. It struggled and somewhat held it together for a while but season 5 is where it completely fell apart. And the drops in quality starting at these two seasons were so tremendous compared to the last respective seasons it really janked you out of the show and made it impossible to ignore. It's pretty much exactly 1>>>2>3>4>>>>>>>>>5>6>7. Which makes sense seeing as they keep having to build on their retarded OC, but the nature of all that OC made it abundantly clear that they had no idea what the books were about in the first place.

>>87150560
>battle of the bastards

that's when the teleporting army meme started though

how did littlefinger get an entire vale army past moat cailin and through the entire north without ramsay getting word of it?

>>87143005
>its another "le edgy seasons were best edition"

>>87156837
they made her a cold blooded killer in the show who can find anyone she wants with a fucking plot GPS and somehow take punches to the face from The Hound, the same guy we saw throwing grown men across the room and cutting people in half.

she's not arya tier but she's pretty bad

>>87157791
I loved all the eeeeeeeegrit/jahsnow dialogues about how you can't sneak 300,000 people anywhere all at once.

Then she died.

And people started proving, yes, yes you can sneak 300,000 people across westeros, all at once.

>le dumb jon faec.jpg

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>>87157791
>how did littlefinger get an entire vale army past moat cailin and through the entire north without ramsay getting word of it?

>>87143005

Shireen was a nice change of pace to typical storytelling.

The show jumped the shark with Jon coming back from the dead.

>>87143005
my ranking of seasons

S1
S3
POWERGAP
S2
S6
POWERGAP
S4
POWERGAP
S5
S7

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>>87143113
This.
I cant even remember the last time I got worked up over TV/Movie and when this happened I actually yelled what the fuck at the TV. Never before and never since has anything bothered me like that. Boromir dying all over again must have fucking triggered me.

>>87159334
>jumped the shark

wut, it's literally part of the story and give Mel her purpose

Post-Tywin got is objectively the worst got

>>87143445
This is one shift I didn't like at all

The only way I'd regain respect for this show is if the night king one. Winter please end it all

>>87143632
I couldn't bring myself to watch another episode after the final of season 7

>>87155394
Fucking hell, it's been years since I've seen that.

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>>87143005
season 5 made me angry over how shit it was, especially when it came to Barristan being killed off, Jaime's adventures in Dorne, huge chunks of Tyrion's story being skipped and dickless romance with Grey worm. I dropped it when shireen burned. I occasionally keep up with developments on here and from the sounds of things the show is absolute garbage at this point. Fucking glad I stopped watching

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I don't think I've ever been so shocked before as I was when watching s02e01. I was so incredibly hyped after season 1 that I was counting down every day until the new season and in the threads every day talking about it.

Everything about that episode was so terrible, I was just flabbergasted. From Cressen's botched scene to to Littlefinger's change in accent and OC scene of taunting Cersei into her "power is power" speech. It was so terribly bad, I still remember exactly how I felt then.

>>87160363
Shit man I remember discussing the books with you after S1 ended. Back then these threads were optimistic and people had hopes we would get more seasons like S1 and GRRM would release TWOW soon.

Now the show is leftist propaganda garbage and fat man is probably busy rewriting half of TWOW since the show ended up spoiling his books.

I agree that S2E1 is when it became obvious the show was going down the shitter.

>>87159883
>Bran is nice king
>night kang wins
>with all enemies of the tree kids (or whatever) dead, the nite king's function is fulfilled and he lies down, closes his eyes, and dies
>brand is still there! he stars to warg into stuff to get it back alive
>he wargs into old god tree and makes it bloom and stuff
he warg into sun to make it come back
>he wargs into some people sot make them have the sexes
>he wargs and wargs
>eventually the winter ends
>falsh to the old nanny
>old nanny tells kid-bran story about how the long night end
>you think this is falshback, but no! old bran is warging into old nanny!

>>87159679

Kinda wanted to see it not work. Was too on the nose.

>>87160501
so bran needs to make sure everything happens the same way every time or else its time paradox brilliant

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>>87160480
Man, that whole season was garbage. Don't even get me started on Dany not wanting to show her dragons for some reason outside of Qarth, Halfhand's assassination, and Jon Snow spending all season walking around the North with Ygritte.

On a nostalgic note, I remember when the threads used to be like, 90% spoiler tags. Good times.

>>87144005
Do something nice for your parents for once and kill yourself

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>>87143113
my biggest hope for season 8 is sean bean making a cameo appearance as ned, maybe in one of bran's raven visions or something

It died with Tywin.
Charles Dance was carrying this show after Sean Bean.

>>87161013
Pretty much, although Stannis going mad was the final straw.

>>87147169
brienne said that she killed him. i don't think she is the type to lie about this sort of thing, but not showing stannis' dead body is extremely suspicious. if he turns out to truly be dead and not show up next season, then that's just awful writing, too low for even D&D i think, so i have hope that he's really alive.
on the other hand, his actor didn't want anything to do with the series anymore, making it less likely for him to return, and i have no idea how they'd properly handle a subplot of stannis returning next season with the limited amount of episodes they have.

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>>87148447
>It's like if Tolkien collaborated with Faulkner.

>>87161252
They didn't show Brienne killing him because D&D have whitewashed all the female characters extremely. Showing her stab a wounded man would paint her in poor light. Can't have that in this feminist power fantasy show.

This is the same reason Cersei was turned from a paranoid retard to Tywin 2.0. Also the same reason Dorne became ruled by women. It's all the same agenda overriding world logic and turning a harsh Medieval-like setting into feminist fantasy land.

GOT now feels like a bunch of medieval episodes of Passions

>>87143795
so you just don't like double daggers?

>>87143113
This. It was downhill after that. But it became the modern shithole we know now with Tywin's death.

>>87143005
When manly characters like Ned, Robert, Tywin Stannis with cock hard powerful dialoguea stopped appearing on the show. Now it's game of kids except cersei.

>>87161906
>game of kids vs woman who lost all her kids
pottery

>>87143113
Sean Bean was amazing. Absolute waste of talent.

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>first find books randomly in barnes n noble in 2004, still in high school
>binge read entire series that was out at the time
>absolute fucking dopamine
>get excited for new books
>a feast for crows
>"uhh well he's trying a new thing splitting the characters into two books"
>series comes out
>get excited again
>second season
>a dance with dragons
>show continues to get worse
>6th book is writing hell like last two
>my face when

>>87143005
the only actually good season was the first one, but stannis burning shireen was also when i stopped watching it

>>87143005
Tywin's death. Just like there was a before and an after Ned's death, there was a before and after Tywin's death. No show can kill off so many import characters and not suffer.

>>87143005
Sand Snakes. Season 5 was like watching paint dry while an autist scratches a chalkboard with his crusty nails.