What would some good court kino be /tv/? I was thinking of watching

>>87056655
Be sure to bring a knife along and pull it out when you're making your case.

>>87056655
>tfw used to like this movie
>now the subversive message seems obvious and I can't enjoy it anymore

Fuck you /pol/

>>87056712
Explain, please.

>>87056712
>being considered innocent until proven guilty is subversive

>>87056655
Judgement of Nuremberg. Watch it.

>>87057905
That's not it, the point is that the film is full of dindu nuffin excuse-mongering. Lumet was a red diaper baby, so it's not surprising.

The left think poverty causes crime, so the guilt always lies with capitalism. They always reveal this attitude somewhere along the line during a campaign, and it always turns off law-abiding working-class people, who rightly find it insulting.

>>87056655
It's not that good, it gets heavily overrated because its title brings it up before movies beginning with "A" in most classic movie lists.

Jury Duty with Pauly Shore is more kino.

>>87058612
Poverty does cause crime though.
Not that it's an excuse, but still.

>>87058971
But it doesn't. Claiming that it does IS an excuse. There's no other reason for the claim to be made.

>>87058612
You are part of the problem and why the world is in the shits.

>>87058785
You are an utter pleb.

that one juror who just wanted to watch the game or whatever did nothing wrong

>>87059058
Unless you're gonna be a hardcore ball-buster on causality, poverty does cause crime.

the russian remake is actually really good

>>87059121
No, and it isn't. Unfortunately for Marxists.

>>87059228
No, it doesn't. If you believe that human agency exists, there is no defensible argument for the leftist lie that crime is caused by poverty. It simply isn't.

>>87059242
Does it end with the people marching on the courthouse and taking to power?

>>87059464
>it isn't
You're an even bigger shitstain than I thought.

>>87059564
Crime causes poverty.

>>87059203
>Condemning a man to his death just because you can't be arsed to do your job properly
>Nothing wrong

>>87059058
>There's no other reason for the claim to be made
Well one other reason is if it is true. Which it is. You can easily find studies and research supporting it. That doesn't excuse someone from doing crimes but it's still true that they would be less likely to commit crimes if they weren't in poverty, and that the poverty might have pushed them in that direction. Desperation etc.

>>87059464
>If you believe that human agency exists, there is no defensible argument for the leftist lie that crime is caused by poverty
Human agency is what makes it against the law regardless of those excuses. Being responsible for your actions in a bad situation doesn't remove the fact that a bad situation might've influenced you to make those actions. It's true that poverty leads to more crimes but it isn't an excuse that removes consequences.

>>87059464
>human agency means magically being able to supercede poverty
Wew

>>87059564
No, I'm just comparing the world to its history, not to a utopia that will never happen. The world is happier, better fed, less unfairly paid and more safely employed than ever. This is thanks to capitalism, not to Lumet's ideology.

>>87059464
I'm not saying that crime resulting from poverty is justified, but it's an observable fact that the environment and situations which develop from poverty result in more crime.

>>87059656
No, the only reason is its political efficacy, because it's a lie. Of course there are studies and research supporting the lie, the universities are the easiest places in the world to find Marxist liars.

You're confused. The "desperation" argument only works if you abandon belief in human agency. This is called socialism. You're trying to believe two mutually exclusive, contradictory ideas because you've been indoctrinated.

>>87059754

Enjoy your gated communities and your climate refugees, friend.

>>87059662
No, it means that crime doesn't result from poverty.

>>87059833
Environments and situations that result from being a criminal result in more poverty. You're fighting with reality itself, I'm afraid. The truth remains true.

>>87059911
You know you can actually read these studies yourself right?
If it's bullshit you should be able to point out where the problem is

>>87059952
As I said, I'm not comparing the world to a utopia that will never happen, but to every other time in its history.

>>87060040
Why are you assuming that I haven't read them? You swallowed your indoctrination whole. Education isn't about brainwashing.

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>>87059997
So what you're saying is that people are either inherently criminal or not?

To keep it /tv/ related, what do you guys think of the movie 'trading places'?

>>87056712
Jesus. /pol/ will rot your brain. It's like those articles on huffpo or whatever talking about how Seinfeld is "problematic".

>>87060213
No, I'm saying that some people choose to commit crimes while most do not. Notice that you went directly from one determinist fantasy to another. Human agency seems to be a difficult concept for you.

>>87059911
>You're trying to believe two mutually exclusive, contradictory ideas because you've been indoctrinated.
They aren't mutually exclusive. I believe all people have to take responsibility for their actions, but that their circumstances might affect their actions and decisions. The circumstances doesn't make the decisions for the person or removes their agency.

If someone steals bread to feed their family, they have commited a crime. If they had an income then the odds are that they wouldn't have as big of a motivation to do so (but they might still steal it anyway). So one way to improve the breadstealing problem is to have more alternate ways for them to feed their family aside from stealing. I'm not saying that stealing was their only choice or that it is excusable, but for most people the motivation to steal could be reduced by giving them better access to more legal alternatives.

A. Keep sending breadstealers to jail
B. Excuse breadstealers and let them go
C. Try to improve the conditions and arrest those that still steal.

I'd pick C.

>>87060169
Because you're coming to the wrong conclusion.
Unless of course you have some errors you'd like to address in the datasets they used.

>>87060433
Read this post again
>>87059656
Behavior is partly dependent on external forces

The left trade in determinist fantasies because they hope they are true; their plans always require the brainwashing of the populace to accept accounts of human behavior that bear no resemblance to observable reality, which is why nothing that they attempt lasts for long.

>>87060520
Again you repeat your indoctrination, and attempt an argument from authority. Reality is reality, and you have no power to change it. however verbose your accounts of the lie become.

You confirm your inability to understand the concept of human agency. You'll be a great asset to your Party - reality cannot penetrate your consciousness.

chooka chooka
thread derailed, again

What is that movie starring Orson about the death sentence?

>>87060755
The thread hasn't been derailed, it's a response to issues raised by the propaganda film 12 Angry Men.

>>87060755
Butterfly, starring Pia Zadora?

No, I'm kidding, I know the film you mean, it's Compulsion.

>>87060883
OP asked for court room kino you dumb fuck.

>>87061013
And was given reasons why his pic related is a dubious contender. OP never responded to any of the recommendations anyway.

>>87060748
I've done research myself on the subject, from data collecting to statistical analysis.
How exactly am I being indoctrinated?

Giovanni Falcone 1993 comes to mind, but that's more about the process and problems before the court meeting, really.

>>87061196
Why are you telling me the effort you put into your indoctrination, then asking me how you could be? You were trained by Marxists if any of this happened in formal study, and imagine how you'd have been treated if you had let the truth break into your consciousness? Stop going around in a circle.

>I-I am n-not indoctrinated,you are!!
Fucking faggts

>>87061487
Where do you get your non indoctrination information from?

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>>87056655
Runaway Jury's pretty great IMO.

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the best

OP if you're still here Witness for the Prosecution is really good. I hope some more good court movies get posted I love them

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>>87062187
Which one?

>>87062344
1957 ofc

>>87062344
>having to ask this stupid question

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>>87058612

It's entertainment not a legal document, kiddo

>>87063931
Weak excuse. It's entertainment and/but very explicitly a deeply political film.

>>87062344
57
its amazing

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the GOAT