Conservative characters written ironically by liberals that backfired

Conservative and libertarian are not the same thing you fucking idiot. Damn this thread is fucking dumb.

>>86742614
Libertarians find more common ground with a contard than a libcuck.

>>86742614
These days they kind of are. Guys like Gavin McInnes are considered far right, even though he's barely a conservative. Ben Shapiro is pretty libertarian on some issues too.

>>86742656
That depends greatly. When it comes to voting they split 50/50 so you have no point other than to show that you're misinformed and delusional about your support.

>>86742614
In America most ideologies are considered right wing or conservative, ostracized by modern liberals

Including actual liberals

Also Nick Offerman was always playing himself so you're an idiot. And he married Lucy Lawless. Enough said.

>>86742513
The joke isn't that he wants less government, the joke is that he's a government employee who deliberately tries to make his workplace as inefficient as possible to deter government activity because he wants less government.

>>86742656
>>86742513
>being a libertarian

It like you want a twopenny hangover your shit

>>86742810
Without saying libertarian, name literally just one fucking example because I have that much confidence you're full of shit.

>>86742513
You're looking so far into this it's pathetic.

>>86742959
Nazism

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>>86742513
Ash Williams?

is racist whit his sidekick "Pedro... err.. i mean Pablo"


though, he is a drug user

>>86743018
Right, because Nazis would normally have the tendency to vote left if not for liberals ostracizing them.

Or is this a joke? I honestly can't even tell with the average intelligence of /pol/tards nowadays.

>>86743058
Ash is from another time when it was completely normal to crack racial jokes. None of it's done to be mean spirited.

>>86743017
NO FUN ALLOWED

Alex P. Keaton

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>>86742614
why is every first post on the 4chins now some faggot trying to take a shit on the thread?

>>86742959
Christians, Zionists, nationalists, ancaps, hell you even have modern liberals trying to ostracize literal communists as right wing by calling them 'fascist' and the 'regressive left'.

>>86743175
Many libertarian/ancap types kneejerk call natsocs leftists because they see any socialism as left wing. Many natsocs were originally leftists, I believe there's a Hitler quote about how it's easier to turn a communist into a national socialist than a conservative. Prior to the Night of the Long Knives, the Nazis had a very sizeable 'left wing' of the party that lives on today as Strasserism.

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This armed bastard. He's from a show called life on mars, set in the 70s when coppers were allowed to do their job without worrying about paperwork or hurting their perps' feelings. The whole idea of the show is to take a look at a bygone era and make people realise that it wasn't as great as they've idolised it. Except it actually was so the show accidentally ends up glamourising it and people loved Gene Hunt.

>>86742837
>Also Nick Offerman was always playing himself so you're an idiot.
Nick Offerman is a leftie faggot that married Karen from Will and Grace, mr. wrong at everything

>>86744881
the '70s also happened to be a very lawless period in the US

Al Bundy

>>86742614
Someone's triggered

>>86742513
Only because conservatives were too stupid to get the joke.

>>86742513
Don and Roger were had realistic political beliefs for their time and business position, and at least Don's related to his story.
But you're right.

>>86745024
>faggot
>married a woman
Wow, idiot.

>>86745110
Yeah, all nine people that responded to that post. And counting.

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>>86742513
Film Johnny Rico

>>86744438
Because it's a garbage thread and OP deserved to get shit on.

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forgot one

The redneck dude from walking dead

>>86742513
What if, and I'm just spit balling here, they're good writers who wrote good characters. I mean listen to yourself. If you ended up agreeing with them in any capacity then that mean they did conservatism justice because they put writing a believable character over their own politics. maybe, just maybe, not all liberals are your boogeyman who are out to get you. But that's for another time. baby steps.

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Alf Garnett was a racist, working class Conservative from BBC comedy 'Till Death Us Do Part'. Many people at the time missed the point of the programme and agreed with everything that Alf was saying

>>86745231
>projecting

Wew lad

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>>86745442
>not all liberals are your boogeyman who are out to get you
Can't be to careful when this is what's going on at the top of their party.

>>86742513
Jakk Donaghy?

>>86745592
>Jack

>>86745532
>everyone with left leaning ideologies are democrats
>everyone with left leaning ideology agree with this woman
>liberalism is a hivemind
There's no such thing as a hivemind anon. No liberal stays up all night rubbing their hands dreaming up new and innovative ways to hurt your feelings anon, and unless the democratic party is sponsoring the show then whatever is happening in the party is irrelevant. so my point still stands: not all liberals are your boogeyman who are out to get you

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>>86742513
I don't know how you could watch that show and so completely misread the intent behind that character.

If you're disabled then I apologise for my insensitivity.

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While we're on the subject of conservatives and television, why aren't there more conservative comedy shows? There's a gold mine of material to work with and there's a huge market just waiting for it.
>t. Jewish person whose good at investing

https://youtu.be/odB1wWPqSlE

>>86745723
>conservative comedy

theres your problem

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>>86745723
t. Sweetie

>>86745652
>I can just say "not all" every time the people pushing my ideology do something other people take issue with and never take responsibility for the damage my ideology does to society as a whole
every time.

>>86744650
>>86744650
Zionists, anarchists, communists are so small they practically don't matter, while nationalists are the same group as conservatives. But Zionists are really the only group named here that you can say have been moving towards the right.

Christians have always been right leaning but there's no reason to say that they've been ostracized by the left considering most democrats still identify with Christianity and nearly all democratic politicians are Christian. More importantly though, Christians aren't a political bloc and the point was to name political ideologies that have been drifting towards the right because of the way left-leaning media (and people) treat them.

Christians haven't been flocking over to the right wing, they've simply been converting to atheism in the left wing. If I had to guess, Christians have probably been shrinking in the right too, considering the surprising amount of alt-right that are atheist. Anyway it doesn't matter. If Christians can be named as a political ideology then I get to name every other religion including atheism as the left, and all of a sudden your argument falls apart that 'most political ideologies are moving towards the right wing.'

This whole claim you made is really pointless, because most political ideologies already soundly fit in one isle or the other, and libertarianism has truly remained neutral as they still vote 50/50 for democrats and republicans during elections.

>>86745806
>Conservatism = making jokes about Mexicans and hippies

>>86745266
this was a satire but Liz Lemon is also a satire of liberals

>>86745723
Okay so
>conservative comedy shows?
Because conservatism isn't funny.
>there's a huge market just waiting for it.
No there isn't. There certainly is a market, just look at Last Man Standing. however it's so small it's not worth spending production money on. just look at Last Man Standing.

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Rorschach from Watchmen

>>86745892
Last man standing was one of the top rated shows when it was airing

>>86745723

When people say that voter ID laws are racist, they aren't referring to the ability to get an ID in a large city (like New York), the focus is more on rural areas in the south in which the places to get an ID are more spread out and harder to get to, which some minorities may not have the means to do.

>>86742513
You've entirely misinterpreted the Ron Swanson character.

>>86742513
>>Don Draper (or Roger)
Neither were really conservative. Occasionally doing things that are now considered politically incorrect (and Don didn't even do that often) is not the same as being conservative.

The funny thing is the actually (politically) conservative character was Betty.

>>86745967
Yeah, top rated for one of the lowest rated networks.

>>86745811
>"S-Saying "not all" doesn't count because I'm only capable of parroting blanket criticism against a homogeneous boogeyman."
Man that's kinda sad. Here's the thing anon. When your argument hinges on applying to everyone while not applying to everyone then it's time to get a new argument.

>>86744438
Only /tv/ has a case of fpwp

>>86746057
rekt

>>86745967
Yes, on a very low rated network. Audience there was, money there was not.

>>86742513

Pope Pius XIII

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>>86745723
Because propaganda is a delicate balancing act when your intent is to corral people into artificial camps designed specifically to keep them locked in conflict and away from realising their commonalities and power as a unified people.

Like the only difference between "comedy" and "liberal comedy" is devoting time to sneering at a completely virtual parody of the working class that you categorically call "conservative". It's irrelevant whether that stereotype is real, and since it probably isn't it would be weird for that strawman to want to claim an identity and represent itself in an artificial subset of media defined by those stereotypes?

I'm not American, this is just what's obvious from the outside. Maybe you think your entertainment is a meritocracy though. lol

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Lefties cant handle this guy

>>86745504
Until it turned out he was a heeb and everyone dropped the show.

>>86745971
They are saying that minorities are incapable of action but don't worry I will save you. Low expectations man

>>86742513
Backfired ?
Are you retarded ? Ron swanson is a likeable character whos strong respected and funny at the same time.
You have to get your head out of your polackasshole and join the real world.

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>>86746118
>>86746024
>>86745967
Imagine how completely you could control "corporate" media and by extension the vast majority of American propaganda, if only you owned the ratings agencies and could make up whatever numbers you wanted.

In a world like that, imagine what kind of power you could have if you owned a platform and decided to air whatever you specifically wanted people to see, without regard for revenue.

Ron Swanson was based on the boss of one of the writers who had worked at a fucking parks department. This guy literally said a lot of Ron's lines in did a lot of the most Ron-esque things on the show in real life, including stalling government projects because "it would be more beneficial to the taxpayer".

There was no political agenda, they just thought the fun irony of a government hating dude working in government which they had literally witnessed first-hand would make for some fun TV moments.

Then they expanded on the character by adding some of Offerman's traits and interests, such as woodworking, musical talent, valuing nature etc.

That is basically how every character in a mockumentary is made. Base it heavily one specific person from your life -> merge with the actor over time.

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60 something posts and no one mentioned the undisputed King?

>>86745811
>and never take responsibility for the damage my ideology does to society as a whole
Swap ideology for race and this argument can now be used to tell a person why they should feel white guilt. I like to call this a horseshoe argument. It's so vague and accusatory with no real points that anyone can use it for anything.

It's more like the conservative audiences are so stupid and unable to recognize satire that they think the character is written unironically

>>86742513
The Punisher and Judge Dredd

>>86746556
But you dont swap dummy.
Stop moving the goal post

>>86746578
This. Just look at American History X. I knew so many conservative racists that listed that as their favorite movie when it's clearly anti-racism

>>86746504
So, first of all those numbers aren't made up. Hillary was by far the favored candidate as reflected by her popular vote win. However the0y didn't take into account that the vast majority of Americans (particularly hillary's demographic.) don't vote leading to Trump sweeping the electoral college. Essentially, Hillary did have a 90% chance of winning, however, we live in the 10% universe.

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>>86746655
The question of "why are there no conservative comedians" always comes up but the answer is just that conservatives don't get humor and are often less intelligent.

People are going to feed me (You)'s for this, but one of the most popular conservative "comedians" is a literal braindead moron

>>86746594

>The Punisher

Except The Punisher perfectly illustrated that Daredevil is a half measure and was put there to nuance shit, to make the audience doubt Matt Murdock's self-righteousness and moral code.

>>86746705
HMM but what does this have to do with Nielsen ratings???

>>86745818
>Zionists, anarchists, communists are so small they practically don't matter
Zionists control the most powerful arm of the Republican Party, so I'm not sure what that's all about. Ancaps have some institutional support in the form of the Mises Institute, although they're certainly not on the same level as a the Zionists or more mainstream political ideologies.

>while nationalists are the same group as conservatives
And nationalists sure as shit aren't the same thing as conservatives...I don't even know where to begin with that. Someone like Cruz would be a conservative, someone like Trump would be a soft nationalist (at least initially, his administration is slowly turning into neoconservatism)

>But Zionists are really the only group named here that you can say have been moving towards the right.
Nothing I've listed was about who was 'moving towards the right'. I was listing ideologies that associate with the Republican Party that in many cases have a separate agenda from conservatism.

>Christians have always been right leaning but there's no reason to say that they've been ostracized by the left considering most democrats still identify with Christianity and nearly all democratic politicians are Christian.
Some people take their religion a bit more seriously than others. The word Christian is a blanket statement, but I was referring to people who pursue political policy directly informed from their religion. Christians voted Trump over Clinton by nearly 20%. This goes up to a 60% difference if we're just looking at Evangelicals, which is who I had in mind when I was speaking of them as a voting bloc.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/how-the-faithful-voted-a-preliminary-2016-analysis/

1/2

>>86746753

Garth Ennis wrote Frank Castle to be a bad bad motherfucker. There was nothing ironic about that character.

>>86745806
thanks for reminding me fox news answer to the daily show


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1t8toPJNyE

>>86746738
Or he's being meta and you fell for it.

>>86745818
>>86746813
>More importantly though, Christians aren't a political bloc and the point was to name political ideologies that have been drifting towards the right because of the way left-leaning media (and people) treat them.
Absolute bullshit, I don't know if you're young or what but you talk like someone who was born before the 80s. Do you think the Evangelical voting bloc just dissolved with Falwell's death? Why do you think Trump, a historical NYC business Rep (ie he's never really cared for Christian moralist issues), brought people like Pence and Sessions on board? He was capturing the Evangelical vote.
https://newrepublic.com/article/142350/trump-political-power-evangelicals-frances-fitzgerald-book-review
(hate the site but this article is worth a read)

>Christians haven't been flocking over to the right wing, they've simply been converting to atheism in the left wing.
I never claimed this, but Christians have always been farther right than left.

>If I had to guess, Christians have probably been shrinking in the right too, considering the surprising amount of alt-right that are atheist. Anyway it doesn't matter.
Not really what I was arguing, but my Pew link shows you're wrong anyway if you're interested.

Actually 2/3

>>86745818
>>86746853

>If Christians can be named as a political ideology then I get to name every other religion including atheism as the left, and all of a sudden your argument falls apart that 'most political ideologies are moving towards the right wing.'
Every religion does express itself as a political ideology at a certain point, you dunce. Within the US you get Judaism influencing politics as Zionism, if you go to Israel you get actual theocrats. And Islam? I mean do I even have to go into Islamism, Salafism, and late Ba'athism? And where they fuck did I say that "most political ideologies are moving towards the right wing", do you even know what I said in my post and what the posts I'm responding to said? You're not even arguing against what I said, you're creating some kind of weird strawman that I was never arguing against. This whole post has been a waste of time and I wish I never wrote it.

>>86746705
Maybe the percentages are bullshit because they didn't get the right report on the swing states, and not your alt universe autism.

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>>86746822
Top-shelf "comedy" my friend, I can see why he's so popular

>>86745195
Who is Rock Hudson.

>>86746893
actually that was a tweet

i don't have time to explain twitter to you, are you sure you're really an obnoxious self-identified "liberal" without understanding twitter though, i am confused

>>86746890
Or maybe the numbers are made up and perceptions are more important to people with media monopolies than realistic statistics are?

>>86746655
>shows niggers as violent scum
>main character is right the whole time

Literally why wouldn't racists like it.

>Don Draper

Draper was fairly liberal given the time and other characters. Most men of the time Drapers position would have dropped Peggy for example.

Conservative comedians suck because they don't want to touch any of the fun subjects. To them, everything funny is "obscene", so they won't touch the subjects that can produce comedy gold. They have also lived boring lives, thus they have boring stories.

Female, liberal comedians also suck, because they take this extreme too far in the other direction by thinking that being obscene just for the sake of it is always funny ("MY VAGINA!!!"). Pure obscenity can totally be fun, but few women master this

Have you ever heard of a great comedian who had never been a complete degenerate at some point in his life (or later turned out to be a total degenerate)?

>>86746504
What are you babbling about? Last Man Standing aired on the network owned by arguably the most powerful media company in the world right now.

>>86745806

Doonsbury is possible the worst newspaper "funny" that has ever been made. I feel genuinely angry that such a talentless and unfunny artist has had good life on this shitty comic. Fuck every smug leftie paper that printed it, especially the guardian.

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>>86746948
>comedians don't use tweets as platforms for their comedy
I don't have time to point out how stupidly you articulate your thoughts by the way, but here's a free tweeted joke on the house

>>86747087
You can't be this dense.

>>86747113
>greentext strawman because you got owned

yeah have fun refuting something you made up which nobody said

you sure do sound like a winner

>>86743017

When someone says this, you know you've struck a nerve.

>n-no, you're pathetic!!!

pathetic

>>86747120
Actually it was cancelled because Tim Allen asked for too much money when renegotiating his contract. It was relatively popular but it wasn't Home Improvement popular.

>>86747163
>you got owned

yikes

by the way, Tim Allen says specifically that it's part of a bit on evolution being so wacky and unbelievable. So, top-shelf comedy

>>86746784
I thought I'd address the picture since the implication was that they were making numbers up when that makes absolutely no sense and would be impossible to pull off. I thought the picture was some kind of "they made that up like they made this up" when in reality neither were made up.

>>86746890
They did report on the swing states, however while their sample size would accurately portray an election where everyone voted and it accurately portrayed the popular vote. The problem isn't that the statistics were made up, that's just silly. This was a case where considered variables (the amount of people who voted) lead to an unlikely outcome. Hence why Trump had a 10% rather than 0 and the 10% outcome happened. this isn't sorcery anon.

>>86747163
you didn't own anyone. Just accept that the other poster's right before you make yourself look like any more of an idiot.

I don't understand why everyone's arguing about the poll chances. Even if Hillary was slated to win with a 99% chance that still leaves the 1 chance Trump wins. Which happened.

Plus, everyone who says the polls didn't predict this outcome are lying through their teeth. 538 for example had a relatively high chance Trump would do something as unlikely as winning while losing the popular vote

>>86742959
Just a few weeks ago I literally had some dumbass on here arguing that Jefferson and Classical Liberalism as a whole is right wing.

>>86746616
>goal post
There is no goalpost. >>86746057 already debunk'd your argument. I just wanted to laugh at how you were using what is essentially an SJW argument to the same non effect.

>>86747479
>classical liberalism is right-wing
Yeah that's something popularized by morons on YouTube like sargon of akkad and amazing atheist

>>86742513
Stephen Colbert on the Colbert report

tywin lannister and roose bolton

>>86747541
Again, just another example of >>86746578

>>86742614
>be libertarian
>consider supporting the side who is generally for smaller government but sometimes pushes things like tariffs and drug laws
>consider supporting the side who want to expand the welfare state, ban guns, interfere in uncoerced business deals, and have recently been trying to associate free speech with nazism.
wow tough one

>>86742721
An anarcho-communist isn't evidence an anarchist can be a communist, just evidence that an anarchist can be a retard.

There's sure allot of libtards triggered in this thread.

>>86747591
They are monarchists dipshit

>>86747730
>associate free speech with nazism

Out of curiosity, what would you do if people started preaching that anyone holding views that leaned libertarian should be gassed? Free speech allows them to grow and grow until they're in charge and then can do it. Thoughts then?

>>86747591
Tywin was always portrayed as good and even fair leader though.

>>86747903
What? He was literally killed on the toilet as revenge for fucking his son's girlfriend and sentencing him to death despite knowing he was innocent

>>86742513
>It feels early on they thought of him as a joke (who could possibly want less government?!)
That's not the joke, the joke is that he's a government employee who hates the government.

>>86747797
I'd organize some kind of large mob to murder anyone expressing the ideas I dislike, then throw anyone who disagreed with me on anything in the future in jail by talking about how dangerous they are and suggesting that ideas I don't like are basically equivalent to inciting violence.

>>86747797
That's not how free speech works at all, because you're implying that nobody can use their free speech to tell them their ideas are stupid and won't work.

>>86747730
>and have recently been trying to associate free speech with nazism.
Yeah those swastikas, hitler quotes, and pro-eugenics stances are just window-dressing

>>86747991
I'm saying what happens when free speech fails and those people end up being in charge

It's not like it hasn't happened before

>>86746753
The Punisher was created in 1974, Netflix brainlet.

He was originally meant to be a repellent villain but readers loved his tragic backstory and simple, no-nonsense approach to street crime (i.e. riddle it with bullets). The character is like some kind of secret shame of Marvel's, apparently his merchandise outsells that of other characters at something like a 3:1 ratio but they like to downplay his existence as much as possible (never promote new comics, make his last movie a direct-to-rental affair, relegate him to being a side character in Netflix Daredevil which backfired because he was so popular he's now getting his own series, etc)

Interestingly enough, both Punisher and Judge Dredd (first published 1977) were clear influences on the first Mad Max, which effectively combines them into one character.

>>86747947
a) None of that has anything to do with his good and fair leadership.
b) He literally said he was never going to kill Tyrion.
c) SHE WAS A HOOAR

>>86748060
>breaks the guest rights that have kept westerosi diplomacy in check for hundreds of years
>good and fair

>>86748124
>win the war by having other people do your dirty work

Good leading desu.

>>86747171
d-did he strike a nerve with you with his post, I'm confused

>>86748020
Really the problem is any society with social mobility and casually educated children will potentially drift into holding values that I don't like. I suggest we institute some kind of caste system and standardize education to ensure children all have the correct opinions.

>>86747755
monarchy is a conservative system. they cared about honor and family a lot which are key paleoconservative values

>>86745652
>everyone with left leaning ideology agree with this woman

True.

>>86749594
bait.

>>86745892
>Because conservatism isn't funny.

It's more that liberals are depressed faggots and much more OK with self-deprecation which forms the basis of all their comedy that isn't just cheap insults at conservatives

>>86742614
>fpwp

>>86749613

Not really. It's true. Liberals are all self-hating losers.

>>86745723
>why aren't there more conservative comedy shows?
Because the point of liberal """comedy""" isn't humor. The point is helping a bunch of pseudointellectuals have the correct opinions and feel superior to others who don't.

>>86749634
>>86749686
man you're really mad at liberals. Not an inkling of anything you said is true. Who hurt you?

Jack Donaghy is obviously one.

Who the fuck idolizes Jack Donaghy. Guy is borderline retarded.

>in the us it's apparently so hard to get a fucking ID that niggers are unable to do it, thus they just give up on any form of controls in their polling stations

this is so fucking retarded i can't even believe it's true.

>>86742513
Jack from 30 rock

>>86745024
More specifically, he married Tammy

>>86745882
That was literally OPs point
Characters meant to be parodies, but became convincing representations

>>86745723
I think David Angelo is p funny. He's not the greatest or anything but I can get a laugh from it even if his stuff can sometimes be awkwardly set up or stiff sometimes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3XW7USfCaM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewvbjiaH92g

>>86750141
>thus they just give up on any form of controls in their polling stations
wrong, you just have to provide secondary Identification. Address, Something federal that was mailed to you, your social security number, and you'll need to have your photo taken. You're not naive enough to think people just walk into the polls? further more what does this have to do with television? go vent on /pol/. it was literally made for that.

>>86750304
Both Liz and Jack rub off on each other by the end of the show, and become happier people.