So this motherfucker can just conjure fire when it's appropriate

>>86693665
What if... woah... what if he died from the bear wounds?! Woah... and then froze.... mind le blown

He succumbed to his wounds

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This is just embarrassing

>>86693665
It doesn't have to make sense it's fantasy

>>86693665
Thoros died from being horribly mauled by a giant zombie polar bear, not freezing to death you mong.

Magical fire isn't hot, it does burn damage on impact

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>>86694492
>Just turn your brain off bro

>>86693665
b-b-but... anon... it looks cool... like one of those lasorsabers...

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>>86693788
the fire starts before he touches the sword with his left hand

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>>86695733
Dubs or truth given the best advice, as usual.

>>86693665
I thought they explained that it wasn't magic and that he regularly breaks his swords because the fire weakens the metal?
Back when the hound broke his flaming sword.

>>86693708
No he died from hypothermia, the bear wounds were cauterised

D&D never thought they would have to write plot on their own. George was supposed to finish Winds of Winder years ago and have the final book finished or close to it by now. If anyone is to blame for the current state of the show it's that procrastinating old fuck.

>>86695959
Episode? Why wouldn't you carry several swords then
>>86695969
Giggity

>>86695969
Closing the wounds doesn't mean the damage done goes away. Cauterizing only stopped him from bleeding to death immediately, you don't get mauled by a bear and live on without a hitch just because someone push hot metal against your flesh

>>86695733
He died from his wounds, not the cold. OP should have turned his brain back on.

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>>86695733
>ask my friend how Arya could run and jump around days after being stabbed multiple times in the stomach
>Ask my friend how Jon survived hypothermia
>"What is suspension of disbelief" was his exact response

I hate normies

>>86696065
i also like when normies will respond "UMM THE SHOW HAS DRAGONS AND YOU'RE UPSET ABOUT THAT?" as if they don't understand the concept of a fantasy series and things having to make sense even in fantastical worlds

>>86695969
Cauterizing a wound doesn't make all the damage magically disappear.

>>86695969

Cauterised the wounds... yeah, I'm sure he didn't have broken ribs, internal bleeding, or anything else like that. It was cold, and he was the only one that died. I'm starting to think it was probably his wounds.

>>86695969
You people are so desparate to try and hate this show you end up saying stupid shit like this, mindnumbing reading the criticisms you guys have in 90% of the threads

>>86693665
>can just conjure fire when it's appropriate
Why are so many people who watch this show so fucking retarded?

>>86696045
How do we know the wounds were deep and not surface grazes

Am i the only one thats bothered by the fact that Dorne has no relevance in this season? Doran Martell is dead but thats no reason to just leave Dorne out of everything... god this is annoying the fuck out of me

>>86695959
No. What you need to understand is that magic came back into the world when Dany's dragons were born. In the books, Thoros used to coat his swords in wildfyre, which indeed ruined the metal, but ever since the dragons are back he's been able to do it for real. I expect he taught Beric how to do it.

>>86696153
>>86696207
>>86696210
Can you prove beyond doubt how the wounds were
And I hate the books more than the show as he wrote for no one but still fucked up shit, like how large westeros is and titles, and coat of arms and a realistic number of battles along with the soldiers in them, and how mongols worked

>>86693665
he wasnt exactly FREEZING to death

more like "i got half-eaten by a fucking zombie bear" to death

I assumed he just puts some kind of oil on his blade

>>86696308
Everyone knows when you kill a leader their armies disappear

>>86696308
>ignoring the storm lands and what happened to Greyworm

>>86696371
>Can you prove beyond doubt how the wounds were
Well, no. But you can't prove beyond doubt anything else either. You're just being silly now.

>>86696308
if they fucked dorne up as hard as they did when they DID have good source material, how good do you think dorne could possibly be when they don't?

>>86696326
Source
>>86696424
I'm not that's what I'm assuming, because if it was the mauling he wouldn't have died in his sleep but stayed awake and had a scrunched up face

>>86696371
It doesn't matter.

>>86696433
you are having a good point there i guess but they could have at least tried to pull some bullshit explanation to why the Dornish army has no relevance rather than just leaving it out and not talking about it at all

Fire swords are the stupidest shit ever. It literally offers no advantage over a regular sword that isn't on fire. It just makes you look like a total fucking fool.

>>86696473
when arya meets the brotherhood without banners and hound fights ressurected Beric

>>86696243
Because we literally seen the bear digging and bitting into his torso you complete retard

>>86696561
Because they're stuck in dorne due to lack of transport ships which is why yara greyjoy was out there
Stupid but it can be followed

>>86696308
No because almost everything relating to Dorne has been shit in the show and it's better that they don't write anything about it when there is so little of the show left and it's ultimately irrelevant to the current plot

>>86696473
https://books.google.fr/books?id=ZfiREZrremoC&pg=PT279&lpg=PT279&dq=thoros+coat+wildfyre&source=bl&ots=ZzxvWWTjGt&sig=hwp6skWQJsjhs42WlnKKeuoiv-M&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiSr-vhpunVAhWPLlAKHfN_CXkQ6AEIPTAG#v=onepage&q=thoros%20coat%20wildfyre&f=false

>The flames swirled about his sword and left red and yellow ghosts to mark its passage. Each move Lord Beric made fanned them and made them burn the brighter, until it seemed as though the lightning lord stood within a cage of fire. “Is it wildfire?” Arya asked Gendry. “No. This is different. This is…” “…magic?” she finished as the Hound edged back. Now it was Lord Beric attacking, filling the air with ropes of fire, driving the bigger man back on his heels.

— ARYA VI, A STORM OF SWORDS

>>86696630
Actually it looks pretty cool

>>86696630
Except if you're fighting a wight. Or the Hound. Or anybody who's afraid of fire.

>>86696433
A proper Dornish alliance with the Lannisters would be interesting, and they could completely avoid any scenes in Dorne itself.

Maybe have a member of house Dayne show up to mirror Robert's rebellion?

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LOOK FAGGOTS! THEY WERE NEVER GONNA FREEZE! TORMUND EXPLAINED IT GENDRY!

MAN-LOVE! THE HAD SEX TO STAY WARM! THEY DID ALOT OF FUCKING ON THAT ISLAND TO SURVIVE!

>>86696630
Horses aren't a fan of fire. You could definitely gain an advantage over a mounted opponent with a fire sword.

why the fuck does thoros have a flaming sword too?

>>86696473
>>86696635
Season 3 Episode 3 in the shows

>>86696664
Wrong. The Dornish just have to push through the Marches. Another reason to bring in house Dayne.

>>86696780
Thoros is the OG flaming sword guy. He's been doing it forever, he's well-known for it.

>>86696780
Because he's a red priest

>>86696664
correct me if i am wrong but couldnt they just get from Dorne to Kings Landing by foot ?

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So uhhh how many days were they sitting on that ice block waiting for Gendry to run to the wall, for the raven to each Dany down in Dragonstone, and for her to fly up to meet them?

>>86696734
>Lannister and dorne ever getting along
>>86696873
Which wastes men

>>86693788
it's like they can't decide if it's a trick or real magic

here it ignites on its own, like the fire is unnatural
but in the hound's trial scene he's shown using his hand to ignite the sword, indicating some sort of flammable coating + hand-flint combo

>>86697018
You have to cross a very fortified border with mountains to get from dorne to anywhere else, so they'd have 1/10th their forces by the end, and more light infantry doesn't really benefit them

>>86697054
As far as we see on screen, they were only a few hours walk from the wall. Gendry runs back in a few hours, half a day for the bird to fly down, half a day for the dragons to fly up.

It just about adds up.

>>86696734
>A proper Dornish alliance with the Lannisters

THEY RAPED HER. THEY MURDERED HER. THEY KILLED HER CHILDREN.

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>>86696065
>humans are always 7°C away from coma

>>86697054
1/4 a day

>>86697080
It's certainly not real magic because Beric has no fucking idea how it works. Thoros doesn't even. They just believe that everything that happens is in the Lord's pla- fuck it I don't even care about this shit anymore forget it

>>86697018
Yep, but the reach could confront them. Either way it won't happen because the Dornish aren't loyal to Dany, the Martell bastards are dead, they were never real heads of house Martell anyways. The Dornish don't give a fuck about the Targaryens, they told Aegon to go fuck himself and then proceeded to fuck him in the ass when he tried invading.

>>86696065
That was probably the show's way of hinting at Jon being immuned to cold. It literally served no other purpose since they could have had Jon being overwhelmed and Benjen showing up to save him anyway. Dany is immune to fire, Jon is immune to ice. It's like poetry.

>>86697288
No she's immune to fire because she did blood magic

>>86697138
It takes a lot to lower your core body temperature.

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>>86697138
takes a while for the outside cold to reach the inner organs

honestly if you don't pass out for some reason, don't get wet and are adequately covered this isn't a problem

>>86697058
The only people who hated them were house Martell. If you haven't noticed, house Martell doesn't exist anymore, all of its members are dead.

>>86697345
yes and that was a one time thing

>>86696885
This. Even in the episode, Jorah told the story about Thoros during the assault on Pyke, which would have happened around twenty years prior.

In the books, right after he came to Westeros, he realized he could win tournaments by scaring people because no one wanted to fight a guy with a flaming sword, then he and Bobby B became drinking buddies.

>>86697138
It wouldn't take a massive variance for the Earth to be out of the Goldilocks zone, then we all die pretty quickly. Life isn't as resilient as we'd like to think.

>>86697345
kek what the fuck are you talking about? If you're talking about the witchy ritual to save Drogo you're wrong, she's shown to be "the Unburnt" in the very first episode, when she enters a bath of scalding water.

>>86697437
It's already happened twice.

Dragon Egg hatching & dothraki leader hut burning down months (years?) later.

>>86697453
>which would have happened around twenty years prior.

more like ten years. Theon Greyjoy was 8 when he was brought to Winterfell. 20 years is before even Robert's Rebellion.

>>86697552
i know, however that was inconsistent with the books, as D&D have no idea what was GRRM's idea and continued with hurr i no burn

>>86696308
Dorne theoretically should be in a state of civil war right now.
House Martell had every house in Dorne under their rule, now they're extinct.

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LMAO just watching now. Why the fuck would Uncle Ben even get off the horse in the first place? He could have just gotten Jon to hop on with him.

>>86696326
Was it actually Dany's dragons that did that? Couldn't it be the comet that flew over the world when that happened?

>>86697747
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv0ZZE6egs0

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>>86696433
>Dorne
>good source material

ayy

>>86697650
Fuck, you're right. For a second, I forgot how to timeline worked in the books. The show has been going on so long, I get mixed up sometimes, especially with the initial ageing up and actors getting older.

>>86697753
The two might be connected but the dragons coming back is definitely what made magic come back. It's mentioned a few times in the books and at least once in the show by that warlock dude in Qarth.

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ARYA HAS FUCKING HALLOWEEN MASKS

LMAO THIS SHIT IS ABYSMAL

>>86695831
LITERALLY UNWATCHABLE

>use flaming sword
>wounds cauterize immediately on impact

>>86697822
>implying Dorne chapters aren't best chapters
wew lad

>>86697910
Also, if the faces are physical props then what does she do about imitating someone else's body? A man's for example? Is the face a practical effect but the bodies she imitates magic??

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>>86693665
hi

>"the dragons are muh children" for seven seasons
>one of them dies
>"fuck it, you look hot Jon LMAO"

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>>86693665
Its explained that the thing with the swords is not wholly magic and are instead specially made swords with reservoirs of a flammable substance. Im all for bitching about inconsistencies but this isnt one of them

>>86698069
it's all magic, don't ask

>>86693788
Wouldn't it be funny if Beric ended up being Azor Ahai?

>>86693665
The lord of light works in mysterious ways

>>86698135
When was this explained exactly?

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>>86698119

>>86697345
Jon is undead. That's about as magic as you can get.

>>86698194
I know for a fact its explained in the books, it could have been left out of the show. Let me try to find it

>>86697138
>7°C
That's like 30 real degrees, you spaz

>>86698128
>"the dragons are muh children"
The thing that's bugged me most about that is that Dany treats them like weapons. She rides them around and has them burn people for her. Having dragons, and the ability to burn everything, is her justification for everything. I've never thought she acted like she cared about them any more than they were useful to her. If she really cared about them like they were her children, would she really treat them like weapons?

>>86698238
The books say it's magic read>>86696668

>>86698059
filler with boring characters and a minimal tie to the overall narrative; they only exist to prop up Aegon who everyone knows is a dead-end plotline anyway. Darkstar is literally deviantart tier fanfic, I don't know why people get so pissy about Show!Snakes when Darkstar exists

>>86698139
All of it being magic would be perfectly acceptable. A bag of physical rubber masks is such a bad idea it's funny.

>>86698238
It's magic in the books, as this guy sourced: >>86696668

The show hasn't bothered to explain it at all.

>>86698220
I don't know if this is serious, but Dane should be Hiei since he's good at playing assholes. Kurama needs to be a lot prettier and more kind-looking. I don't think I know who the other two are supposed to be but I like that Kuwabara's actor looks like a retard, as he should.

>>86698311
Darkstar is being hunted by Arianne in an effort to prop up Myrcella as Queen of Westeros.

His wickedness is meant to serve a purpose, even if it's horribly done.

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Drogo
>was actually caring of dany
>BIG STALLION COCK
>cool and handsome
Daario
>cool and handsome
>wild
>knew how to fuck a girl
Jon
>handsome-ish
>bitched at each other
>wouldn't listen to her bullshit
>mutual distrust of each other
Why did she want to fuck him after saying he killed one of her "children"?

>>86698300
According to the wiki
>After Robert's Rebellion, Thoros became a frequent drinking companion of the new king, Robert.[2] During Greyjoy's Rebellion, he earned recognition for being the first over the wall at Pyke.[4] He was a frequent tourney mêlée champion, using a sword set aflame with wildfire to spook the other combatants' horses. Three times he defeated Sandor Clegane in the mêlées.[3] At the tourney on Prince Joffrey's name day, he was defeated by Lord Yohn Royce with a common mace after the fire of his sword had guttered out.[5]

This is for thoros, I assume berric is the same. Also im combing through that very chapter you are quoting and that passage is arya asking if its magic. It doesnt actually say its magic

>>86698220
wot the fugg

>>86696065
>36C cold setting in
36 is the normal body temperature though?

>>86694605
because Hound is worthless

>>86698406
>Implying mongoloids like Drogo have big dicks

Why do you think the steppe nomads were so angry?

>>86697519
>scalding water
Yes baths are normally made at such high temperatures despite there being a servant just for bath making
>>86697411
But all the guards were fine with them killing the king because they wanted revenge for HER MURDER
>>86697747
Had to kill off the character somehow
>>86697996
>first degree burns send patient into shock
>target dies when you want them to rather than infection in a prison

>>86698185
Jamie is Ahzor Ahai in the books but won't be in the show because it's too sexist and medieval
>>86698229
Do we know if he feels the cold

>>86698518
that was all before Dany's dragons were born. It's mentioned a few times that they're the reason magic came back into the world. It's why Thoros and Melisande are suddenly able to resurrect people, and it's why Thoros/Beric can wield fire swords. Where do you think they're getting wildfire from? It's magic.

>>86698881
But he was resurrected long before Danny gave birth

>>86698881
I thought the dragons coming back only increased the yield of dragonfire and it wasnt necessarily a requirement for it to be made. Kind of like how the pyromancers at kings landing were making it before but mention that "their rituals were far more bountiful" or some shit like that

>>86697080
He slid his hand up the blade in the same episode too.

>>86698786
>Yes baths are normally made at such high temperatures despite there being a servant just for bath making
she is specifically warned by a servant that the water is much too hot. Just watch the scene.

>>86697288
>It's like poetry.
Or even a song. A song... of Ice and Fire.

>>86698220
Kuwabara actor's face never fail to make me laugh , what a tard he looks like

>>86697080
According to the Wiki Its real magic for Berric
>The captives are brought to Beric within the hollow hill, where he sits on weirwood roots and is revealed as a follower of the Lord of Light. They watch as Sandor Clegane duels Beric in a trial by battle. While Thoros of Myr always lit his blades with wildfire, Beric uses his own blood to make his sword magically aflame. Despite Sandor's fear of fire, he is able to slay Beric. Much to their surprise, however, Beric is revived by Thoros.[4]

where as Thoros uses wildfire
> He was a frequent tourney mêlée champion, using a sword set aflame with wildfire to spook the other combatants' horses. Three times he defeated Sandor Clegane in the mêlées.[3]

Either way the whole flaming sword thing doesnt look like something that can be done for a long time

>>86696065
>Celsius

hehehe

>>86698612
37 is

>>86698612
it's an interval like many other things in biological systems. [36.8-37.2] is normal.

>>86698959
No. The warlock in Qarth also mentions that they had no magic anymore until her dragons were born. It's the whole reason they try to steal them.

>>86698954
There's no way to know when Beric was resurrected. He gets sent to hunt the Mountain in the second half of season 1 and we don't see him again until they meet with Arya and the Hound. It's perfectly plausible Beric was resurrected after the dragons' birth.

>>86696065
Yeah you can tell the Dany fans are off-footed a little now. Their applying terms like suspension of disbelief to holes and contradictions in the narrative. It's over. GoT is dying and it'll be a merciful end and unceremonious exit from the collective consciousness next year.

>>86693665
BRAVO DABID

>>86698758
t. small dicked white boi

>>86699309
>Tyrion is also visited by Hallyne the Pyromancer from the Alchemists' Guild, and is surprised to learn that they have 13,000 jars of wildfire, way ahead of schedule. When Tyrion asks why, the pyromancer explains that their spells have been more potent of late, but is at a loss to explain why. He does ask Tyrion if there are any dragons about, and elaborates something he heard a long time ago, that magic began to disappear from the world when the last dragon died.
The dragons only improved the wildfire yield. It wasnt a requirement

>>86698881
>>86698954
man you guys are retarded
it started slowly coming back when the comet came around
that's why she was even able to have dragons hatch from eggs

>>86699539
I didn't say they didn't improve the wildfire yield, I'm saying it wasn't the only effect. They brought back magic for everybody, not just the pyromancers.

>>86699596
Either way, magic is back in the world and Beric's fire sword is magic.

>>86698069
In the books they use blood magic to shapeshift.

In the show Arya uses magical Halloween masks.

>>86699596
dragons seem to boost magic and fire magic especially in general. prior to her dragons being born there was still magic, it just wasn't a potent.

it seems things like blood and shadowmagic and the magic of qarth has nothing to do with dragons.

>>86699689
Almost all the magic in the books uses blood in one form or another.

The wargs/skinchangers have the ability by their blood as is evidenced by the fact that all the Stark children are wargs.
The shadowbinders use other people's blood, it's why they're viewed so negatively.

In the books Thoros' fire sword is powered by his blood. The glass candles are also linked to blood.

>>86699920
sure, blood is a common medium in magic in a lot of fantasy. my point is that prior to dragons and the comet magic still existed.

>>86698406
I forgot what happened to Daarrio, is he dead?

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>>86699681
It's what they do in Mission Impossible.

>>86700193
Keeping the peace in Meereen.

>>86696371

Can I prove beyond a doubt how the wounds were? No, I can't. But the bear did manage to outright kill what, one or two redshirts in a single hit? Personally, the fact Thoros survived afterwards was somewhat disappointing to me. I found it pointless, especially since he just died later anyway.

>>86696473
>source
The warlocks in Qarth