Why all the hate for her character? Because she has dragons?

>>86207575
Because if it wasn't for all the characters around her who love and follow her for some mysterious reason, she'd be dead ten times over from her fuckups or the mad king 2.0 (which she is still becoming)

>>86207575
Her smug levels are too high for me to believe she would be some altruistic kind leader, Makes me think she's only nice now to gain favor and alliances. When she finally gets power will become the cunt she always secretly was.

Because she believes she should be Queen because it's her birthright which makes her the bad guy. Seriously, it's one of the main points of the books.

Also Emilia Clarke is a shit actress

terrible character
terrible actress

The only reason she has been angry now is because she's at war. Can someone give me examples of her personality when she wasn't at war?

>>86207575
No because she's a girl and also because her soldiers are brown.

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>>86207575
Everyone hates her because she represents white privilege.
Just look at the news about Trump threatening to Drogon all over Korea.
POC are weak, why do think insane whites have ruled the world for so long?

>>86207575
Her character is too Mary Sue, and she fucks up FAR too often to be able to succeed. John Snow is similar, but he's not the one destroying their grain shipments and fighting men with dragons. Of course not that Dany's navy is basically useless She'll have to press her attack, and Dothraki aren't going to get over the walls of Kings Landing, and she knows this. She's fucked up hard and she deserves to die. Mary Sue characters aren't allowed to die though...

>>86207575
Littlefinger needs to win. The niggers pimp hand toooo stongk. #MAGICK #WEPA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJQP7kiw5Fk

>>86207782
how times change

>>86207575
Daenerys suffers from extremely wishful thinking. She hopes for the best, but doesn't plan for anything bad to happen, ever. She rolls through Essos with nothing to her name but dragons. In Qarth, people help her for no reason besides the fact she has dragons. She doesn't even know how to speak to them or train them or anything. People lay down the red carpet for her without knowing why she's important or if they'll ever see a benefit.

Fast forward to her getting the Unsullied. She buys the Unsullied army, but immediately turns them against their masters. Has this never happened before? Has no one ever bought a legion of Unsullied and then immediately dashed on the bill like Dany did?

And then when she decides to free these slave cities, she frees a place and it immediately gets taken over by some brigand or cut-throat (see: Cleon the Butcher). She doesn't understand that the people of Essos only acknowledge the rule of law through power. And then she has the stones to say that she's going to free all the slaves in seven years with absolutely zero assurance it's going to happen. She can't rule over Westeros and just scoot over to Essos whenever she wants to make sure they're enforcing her side of the agreement.

She hopes for the best and other people make great decisions for her. No one around her is a supporter of her wishful thinking. She's surrounded by more realistic, down-to-earth people who have actually seen the lands she wants to conquer.

She doesn't even know why she wants to conquer Westeros. Essos is rich as fuck, and she could rule with an iron fist, make a new Targaryen dynasty. Instead, no, she gets led back to Westeros, a land where people switch sides in wars as soon as one army grows to a greater size than another. Allegiances change hands monthly.

>>86207640

The mad Dany meme is just another feint in her storyline. Each season there's always some issue where they make it look like some big bad change is coming, then it reverses course triumphantly every time. It's just a way to make her not look like the obvious winner age is.

The problem is when gorm first plotted the books and wrote her story, it was meant to be a trilogy and he got like half her story out before he realized he didn't have enough graphic descriptions of food written, so he had to constantly stall her arc for the other 52000 grey joys and sand snakes to catch up.

Plus without the 10 year gap it looks even less plausible.

>>86207575
She's a mary sue, and they're kinda tiresome.

Why are Dany's eyebrows dark brown, when her hair is platinum blonde?

>>86207640
And the whole her being able to walk through fire thing making her a :"goddess" and all in the eyes of the Dothraki. It was cool the first time, but in the Dothraki capital city when all the Khal were getting pissed at her and she started tipping over the braziers, why didn't one of them just get up and smack the shit out of her. It was impressive, ut with the imminent danger, I'm sure at least one of them would've been like wtf someone stop her.

Sure she's fire-immune. But not 200-pound-horse-rider-man-immune

>>86207575
she is a yaas queen and therefore intrinsically annoying

>>86207575
because she's qt in a series full of uggos

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>>86208064

She would look like a Matt Smith esque freak

Mort women with super light hair have dark eyebrows anyway.

>>86208116
>yaas queen

Why do you keep saying this? Why do you alt-right SJWs absorb new, obnoxious buzzwords into your vocabularies so easily?

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>smug with all her fucking titles
>think she deserves Westoros because of daddy and her dragons
>she was good at first with freeing the slaves BUT
>she's only good at conquering
>she fails at ruling slavers bay (only 3 cities)
>start showing signs of going crazy like her father
>doesn't know how to handle a few riots
>leaves slavers bay after learning nothing
>yet thinks she can rule over 7 kingdoms
>she only has allies due to these allies having the same enemies
>brings over the entire horde of raping and pillaging Dothraki
>doesn't listen to her advisers (Tyrion is dead to me)
>is so smug that she doesn't let Jon be king of the north
>Looses her fleet instantly. she could of used her dragons to protect them
>Uses her dragon on a weak, small Lannister army instead
>burns all the food being delivered to Kings Landing
>she goes into battle without any armour. pleb


It was cool seeing seeing the battle but Dany is turning into the villain in my eyes. She started off good and innocent but has turned into a snobby brat who wants everything but doesnt think it through.

Jamie has always been a good guy who has done a few shitty things. He charged at a fire breathing just so he could end the war sooner. Jamie is our guy

Honestly, I think I'm just getting tired of her.

I think the main reason for that is that her plot-armor is too thick. She's literally undentable at this point and in a universe where everyone can potentially die, it takes the tension right out of her every scene.

I feel that every time she's on the screen it's going to be either:
>A: Her making al the "good" (liberal) decisions
>B: Her talking making all the "good" (liberal) points
>C: Her fighting a fight where she's clearly overpowered through superior armies or means and therefor cannot be beat

It's been so long since this character has met any real resistance, it's almost pitiful.

I think the last time was right after Khal Drogo died. That was the last time I can remember her facing any genuine resistance.

You can't write a character this way and expect people to care.

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>Emilia Clarke gives you this look
What do you do, /tv/?

>>86208411
rape

>>86208411

In.

>>86208064
It's because she's a fat, dark brown Bong horribly miscast as the most beautiful blonde woman in a fantasy world.

>>86208382
She hasn't shown any signs of going crazy at all

>>86208411
bend the knee

>>86208477
Actually no, it's just very common for people with blonde hair to have brown eyebrows

>>86208411
twirl her curly cue sideburns

>>86208512
In season 5 episode 5

>Harpy attack and kill Barristan Selmy
>Dany rounds up all of the family leaders of Meereen.
>Takes them to her dragons
>lets her dragons eat one of the leaders
>says some bullshit about dragons knowing who is innocent
>effectively made another enemy
>dead leader wasn't given a trial nor did she have any evidence for his involvement for the attack

right so setting some innocent person on fire & feeding them to her dragons isn't crazy?

>>86208180
>saying yaas queen is alt right

Retard Alert.

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>>86207575
Simpe.

She's the Dabid's pet character, perpetually on the moral highground (even when she's logically not, the plot will be written as if she was) and an invincible hero. In the book she's incompetent and somewhat eviler, so she's more tolerable there.

She's basically portrayed in the books as a propped up puppet by her advisers and magical flamethrowers with the people around her doing all the work (similar events for shown Dany, but she takes credit for them in the show). The show creators know she's a normie fan favorite and have always written her so all her drama easily resolved without her looking too bad and they exclude all the times she's fucked up and made things worse in Essos. or generally acted like a dumb bitch (basically her intended flaws). And that's not including how effortlessly she wins all her primary conflicts

Now her and Jon snow are the designated protagonist heroes in a series that was prized on featuring morally ambiguous (or at least portraying the few good people as stupid) in a politically cutthroat situation.

Then there is the actress.

TL;DR Shitty Mary Sue character who endlessly wins because of massive unfair number/magic advantages, the fact she gets soldiers as fast as she loses them and is always in the right (even when she's not) in a what is supposed to be a gritty, vicious, morally ambiguous cutthroat political/strategic, semi-magical war game.

Having powerful evil characters is tense, having powerful good characters is boring.

>>86207575
because she's an arrogant bitch, that relies on her three ugly wyverns and mongol rapers that for some reason follow her.. Because of her smugness she thinks the world belongs to her and hence she can do whatever she pleases. Also she is a terrible character with a terrible plot armor.

>>86208411
return the look until she can't keep it and has to either look away or kiss me

>>86208103
Don't forget she is immune to falling debris as well.

>>86207769
She's extremely entitled pretty much all the time.

>>86207640
>who love and follow her for some mysterious reason
1. Because she hatched fucking dragons

2. Because she's kind and strong minded

>>86207640
>she'd be dead ten times over from her fuckups
That's also the fucking point. She's a girl with little experience in wars, diplomacy and governing. Just like her dragons, the advisors serve as a means to allow her to be a player in the game.

If she had none of these it wouldn't make any sense and you would be bitching about it.

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>>86208984
The Daenerys and Westeros arcs were so different.

It's honestly painful watching her interact with all the Westeros characters. They all change their behavior to revolve around her and it's so alien. It's like they literally stopped playing Game of ThronesX^TM to start playing checkers with Dany with all her pieces being kinged.

>>86207822
>Her character is too Mary Sue
>she fucks up FAR too often
pick one

>>86208382
>start showing signs of going crazy like her father

Bullshit.

>>86208103
Plus, she kills their chiefs, but none of hte Dothraki seem to care, they're just like: "Okay, guess we follow this woman now"... Are these really the loyal fighters you want? And not a SINGLE one thought to take control for themselves? Get the fuck out

>>86209322
read this and prove me wrong >>86208781

>>86208411
put the last donut back in the box and mumble an apology

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>>86209240
>that pic

>>86208168
That's only because overwhelming numbers of brown or dirty blonde-haired women dye their hair a lighter blonde. Look at Charlize's roots ffs.

If you ever meet a natural platinum blonde, their eyebrows will match their hair.

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>thinks she still deserves the throne despite never setting foot in westeros before trying to conquer it
>born of incest
>kinslayer
>constantly gets lucky (dragons)
>"saves" a place from slavery then leaves it in fucking shambles and in a power vaccum
>doesn't understand anything about the politics of Westeros yet deems it okay for her to rule
>puts pillows on a purposefully painful throne in meereen (the purpose flies past her head)
>shitty actress
>all her fucking titles
>Stockholm syndrome
>smug
>mentions that she wants to kill the people that kicked her and her family out of the country, despite not understanding that her family was fucking insane and killing innocents
>her fans ignore all of this

Gee, I dont know.

>>86208781
>>86209386

Sure. When any other character uses collective punishment you call them ruthless and decisive, but when she feeds a single asshole noble to her dragon, she's unhinged and evil.

When she does nothing you call her soft. When she tries to limit the casualties by only going after a limited number of people who were for the most part doing worst things than her, she's cruel and stupid.

She simply can't win here. Because she's a woman and liked by the general public.

>>86210003
>thinks she still deserves the throne despite never setting foot in westeros before trying to conquer it

Because she wants to free the peasants in Westeros. And initially she just wanted a place for herself and the people who helped her, which meant getting her own kingdom because she would never be left alone otherwise.

>>86210105
The peasants don't need freedom, they already had it. War is what makes their lives shit, and her stomping in with a bunch of horse fuckers and monsters doesn't help one bit.

>>86208995
>that relies on her three ugly wyverns and mongol rapers that for some reason follow her
yeah instead she should throw sticks and stones at her enemies.

>Because of her smugness she thinks the world belongs to her
She doesn't. She just wants to stop the nobles around the world from exploiting the common people.

>she is a terrible character with a terrible plot armor.
Give actual examples of plot armor that don't involve her using her assets or just benefiting from a margin that allows for a few defeats.

>>86208984
>in a series that was prized on featuring morally ambiguous (or at least portraying the few good people as stupid) in a politically cutthroat situation.
It's been like that for a long time. Now they're doing something different by allowing the good guys to win.

>>86210176
>She just wants to stop the nobles around the world from exploiting the common people.

yet she tries to exploit Jon Snow along with the entire North by demanding the pledge allegiance to her under the pain of destruction

Typical hypocrite bitch

>>86207575
>why all the hate

She doesn't do anything. She's never done anything noteworthy in the entire show. Cercei and Jon have been through a lot. Every major character except her have been through a lot. Dany has never done shit but brag about her dragons and kill nameless dothraki guys and lame masters or whatever. She's the leader but she doesn't make plans or come up with any strategy. Her dragons are a cheap get out of jail free card and she uses it so often it's become tired. She demands respect from everyone but has done literally nothing to earn it. They gave her dragon eggs and that's about it.

>>86208512
>"Are you calling me a child?"

>>86207575
Because somehow the writers and general audience sees her as a protagonist even though she is completely written as an invading villain with weapons of mass destruction.

>>86210059
lol fuck off about making this about gender or whether she is liked by the public or not. thats a piss poor argument when it has nothing to do about what i said. dany could be a dude and id still call out out on its bullshit.

she should learn how to rule first. Jon snow hanged a child yet nobody is against him because the child was guilty and jon gave him plenty of chances. Dany on the other hand is reckless, she thinks she can do anything because of her dragons.

every other player knows how to play the game of thrones except dany. she was my favourite character when i first watched the show. i loved how some young girl with nothing became queen yet she doesnt seem to learn from her mistakes and instead has just become so full of herself.

also i like jamie cos he wet from bad to good. dany is going the opposite way

>>86210003
this guy knows what he's talking about

>>86207575
>Why all the hate for her character?
Bitter virgins.

>>86208512
Last season's finale ended with her burning all the Dothraki leadership because she felt like it. Earlier in the episode, the only flashbacks of the Mad King we've seen showed up; he was yelling about burning people. This season premiered with her threatening to kill Varys for no reason. We've had one character go over her history and make her sound evil (Cersei) and another say to her face that her justification for wanting to rule are bullshit (Jon). She introduces herself with dozens of titles like a crazy despot and keeps getting into pissing matches about absolute authority with everyone.The battle at Blackwater rush was shot from the Lannister point of view, with her not doing anythign except leading a barbarian horde and burning people to death (while one of her advisors looks horrified).

>>86207931
imo in the original plan, when we came back to her storyline she'd be an awful bitch of a queen and we would come to find out why she became that way and see how she improves. GRRM had to find a natural way to push her story in that way, so we got what we got

>>86207822
Mary Sue has now lost all meaning because of idiots like you.

>>86210314
>with weapons of mass destruction.

how is instantaneously getting burned into a cinder is any worse than getting flayed alive or whatever other fucked up shit they do in Westeros. Frankly I'd rather take a full hit from a dragon than get my limb chopped off in a battle field and bleed to death or getting crushed to death by other soldiers like in the Battle of the Bastards

>>86208512
>I dont want to kill anyone
>So bend the knee or die

>>86209785
Both are dyed, and the dark brown roots are a purposeful style.

The point is that most women in Hollywood pair light hair with darker eyebrows coz otherwise they'd look like no eyebrows freaks.

>>86210385
>>86210059
>lel is cos she a women. femisnism for powerr!!1!!

come up with some counter arguments on how her invading army and dragons are so friendly to the peasants of westoros

>>86210420
>completely missing the point

She deposes the old stable regime in the name of the people's revolution.
Then she builds up an army and invades the neighbouring land because she has a heavenly birthright to it.
And she has ICBDs.

She's basically Kim Jong Un.

>>86208411
What is wrong with your faaaaaaace?!

>>86209373
are you a retard? These are same Dothraki that believe in horse god shit or something. Of course they are dumb as fuck.

>>86210420
"Mass" is the key word there. A guy with a sword can kill one person at a time. Dany can burn dozens of people to death at once. And the idea of doing that is solution to everything. Any time she encounters any kind of problem, the answer is always "I have dragons," or to threaten violence some other way. Which is pretty fucked up when you actually think about the implications of it; she has the equivalent of nuclear weapons in that world, and she keeps looking for opportunities to unleash them.

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>>86207575

i don't hate her. i hate the author and writers because they killed jojen, rickon and tommen. I HATE YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!

>>86210493
you're fucking dumb. Everybody is invading everybody in Westeros. How is her invasion any worse than Greyjoys sacking Winterfell or Lannisters sacking High Garden or the Frey's sacking Riverlands etc etc?

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>>86210105
lol whats that kingdom she has already? hmm the one with all the freed slaves? hmmm the one she failed to rule completely? can't place the name can you?

>literally not one good argument from dany fans in this thread

>>86208382

Jaime has even worst plot armor than Kelly C.

>>86210493
>builds up an army

Yea. She killed one dude and took his stick and she got the entire dickless unsullied army. She knocked over some torches and killed a few dothraki guys and for some reason those dudes all said "hey let's follow her" and because the Greyjoys needed help they volunteered to join her. Besides the fact that she's a shit leader and most of her army is wiped out only an episode or 2 after actually reaching Westeros, she barely had to do a damn thing to build up her army.

>>86210240
>yet she tries to exploit Jon Snow
Because she doesn't know him fully. Also because she's still fairly insecure and wants to stay firm and not being pushed around by the lords she deals with.

Yeah, to conquer Westeros she'll need to force all the lords to submit to her rule. She'll need to play the role of queen traditionally to achieve this. This is something that was entirely part of her character development and how she slowly came to understand that she needed to act like a monarch before breaking the system.

>>86210533
Dragons are more akin to air force than they are to nuclear weapons. Dragons hit small targets, and they don't leave radioactive waste.

>>86210584
he does have bad plot armour but at least the guy loses a hand, loses his only ability which was fighting. dany has plot armour and the worst thats ever happened to her is she lost her child & husband. that shit was season 1

>>86210147
This. Slavery doesn't exist in Westeros (even if it did, she's fucked up freeing slaves in the past pretty thoroughly, so there's no reason to expect her to do better now), so people don't need to be freed. The common people are fine and give literally no shits about the political situation as long as they can live comfortably. Throwing the country into another civil war for no reason other than feelings of entitlement and threatening to burn people to death (let alone burning crops, which we've seen her do) doesn't help anyone. Literally all she's doing is making a bad situation worse.

>>86210639
they leave magical fallout tho
it's why the targs became tards, too much exposure to magic and incest burnt their genes to a crisp

>>86210602
holy shit I also forgot that she had highgarden AND dorne join her out of convenience (not that she even met with them or asked Varys to meet with them) and she still got btfo and is demanding respect

>>86207929
>She buys the Unsullied army, but immediately turns them against their masters. Has this never happened before?
she uses a dragon to buy them out

>>86210347
>she should learn how to rule first.
She fucking tried. That was the whole point of Mereen. But her situation wasn't sustainable and she needed to invade the 7 kingdoms while the time was ripe

>Dany on the other hand is reckless
If she was she would have burned KL.

>yet she doesnt seem to learn from her mistakes
She does and she's doing things differently now than when she started.
Something that was stated plainly.

>>86210554
is rickon alive in the books?
is tommen?

>>86209298
that's pretty much how mary sue works you fucking idiot

WE as readers see all the shit she does, but the characters inside the story are fucking blind and still worship her sorry ass. it's bad writing and she's a bad character, the end.

>>86210347
>also i like jamie cos he wet from bad to good.
He's still a selfish asshole for the most part. As long as he serves Cersei because he can't get over her and makes the kingdom suffer because of it.
Killing Olenna by poison is one of the biggest act of 'kidness' he's ever done.

>>86210605
>oh hello there person I don't really know that well
>YOU BETTER FUCKING BEND THE KNEE OR I'M GONNA RAIN FIRE AND BRIMSTONE ON YOU AND YOUR ILK YOU TREACHEROUS FILTH

Jon didn't show to "push her around". He came in saying they need to work together or else the snow zombies will destroy the world.

I wouldn't even say she's insecure. She's just drunk on her own farts at this point and think the world owes her because she's got "muh dragons"

>>86210685
I'm always down for bashing the writing but it's easy to see why they joined Dany. It wasn't because they believed in her so much as they wanted to dispose of the lannisters. Dorne lost family and highgarden lost family both due to lannisters.

>>86207575
she's a Dany Sue

>Whole point of ASOIAF is how war is fucking horrifying and nobody wins
>D&D turn this into a girl with 3 superweapons using them to slaughter thousands for her own ambition
>Has learnt nothing from her time ruling Slaver's Bay making it ultimately pointless
>She shows no emotional impact on what she is doing
>This is somehow meant to be empowering of women. Despite the exact same thing being disdained in men.

She's become a shitty cartoon character. It's the same reason people dislike Arya.

>>86210721
Mary Sue is a character that does things perfectly and bests everyone.

Daenerys fucks up regularly, isn't always competent and relies on the advice given to her. And gets lectured regularly.

>>86210732
Well he also rescued Tyrion... and Brianne.

>>86207575
she hasnt earned her possition as the number one to win, shes had everything handed to her show no competence in ruling every one bends the knee for what ever reason just becuase she has dragons which was gifted to her, the army of unics just handed over to her cuz muh breaker of chains lol, and muh million dothraki cuz i burn you leader with my magic fire power shit,

>>86210738
>He came in saying they need to work together or else the snow zombies will destroy the world.
Which was a crazy claim that she didn't believe.

>Jon didn't show to "push her around".
He wants her to give him men, money and weapons. She doesn't know him well and doesn't grasp the threat posed by white walker because she hasn't seen them or even heard about them before.

So yes, she's still unsure about treating with him differently than what she planned with the other lords.

>>86210759
No I know that's why they joined her but I'm saying she had nothing to do with forging that alliance. She didn't meet with them and she didn't have the brilliant idea to send Varys to meet with them either. I know she wasn't in Westeros but I'm sure she should have known that the Lannisters had so many enemies. It just shows that she's a poor leader when not only is she not responsible for making the alliances that she has, she loses all of them almost as soon as she got them.

>>86210689
>she should learn to rule
if she can't manage 3 cities with an army of unsullied, second sons and 3 dragons how will she manage 7 kingdoms?

>Dany on the other hand is reckless
she would of burnt kings landing if it wasnt for tyrion.

>yet she doesnt seem to learn from her mistakes
just because she says she'll do it differently doesnt mean she will. give me any example where she learnt from her mistake

>>86210776
>every other character goes to war and commits atrocies
>Stannis planned to loot KL
>What a badass

>Daenerys wants to limit civilian casualties
>Only goes after soldiers who rape and pillage for a living
>What a monster

>>86210873
Highgarden and Dorne because Varys did all the legwork and made that alliance and the Greyjoys just landed on her doorstep and said "let's be friends"

>>86210895
I don't understand. It happened off screen? And yeah the lannisters were smarter. I'm not saying she isn't a bad leader but I'm confused about what you're attacking rn

>>86210811
He's still a selfish asshole who only cares about his friends and family.

He made it clear that he would damn the entire world if it meant the well being of the few people he fancies.

>>86210732
he stopped Dany's father from burning the city with wild fire. he has his flaws yes but how many wars has he started and ended? Now tell me how many wars dany has started and ended?

>>86210059
Collective Punishment: In the last episode Jamie Lannister (of the Lannister's are evil) tells Tarly not to whip any of his men to move faster. There are other leaders who are far better.

Limits Casualties: Only does this on the advice of multiple advisers, including a guy she just met.

Don't forget in the preview for the next episode, she tells the entire Lannister army to bend the knee or be burned to death. The leaks also say she will burn several lords to death, which is generally regarded as being in poor taste.

What other character have we seen who, when they don't get their way, just threaten to kill everyone or actually just start killing everyone?

She is not Ramsay Bolton bad, but she is definitely at least as bad as the Lannisters, if not worse.

>>86210776
The hilarious thing in the books literally spell it out that she's a terrible ruler. Her "liberation" is a disaster and when Meereen goes completely to shit, Daenerys just fucking runs away, abandoning her allies and telling herself that her people were just too shitty to rule anyway. She's pretty much confirmed to be the worst monarch in the world, because everybody else, no matter how heinous, at least felt some responsibility for their actions.

Kingslaying 2.0 can't come soon enough.

>>86208411
Bend the knee to rape her because she's way shorter than me.

>>86210887
none of that justifies her threatening him. Tyrion had to step in to diffuse her hostile bullshit, and she looked like she was about to lose her shit right before Varys stepped in.

You're making excuses for awful behavior like she's your waifu or something. That bitch is out of control

>>86210971
>He's still a selfish asshole who only cares about his friends and family.

yet he's willing to try kill dany even if he dies. Jamie is not the same person he was in season 1

>>86210971
I can unironically relate to that.

>>86210945
Dude I have no idea what you are even talking about. I'm saying that she was not responsible for making the alliances with Highgarden and Dorne. That was all thanks to Varys. What I'm attacking is the fact that all her armies and allies were pretty much dropped right at her feet with little to no effort. Compare that to what Jon had to do.

>>86210982
>The leaks also say she will burn several lords to death
Aerys, is that you?

>>86207575
I hated her from day 1 because of how fucking retarded she ended being once she started doing her shit around Slaver's Bay in the books.

So they manage to capture that spirit in the show that's for sure.

>>86210105
By invading a continent and killing millions? The peasants were already free anyway.

>>86211061
Oh ok. That post was a lot more coherent than the others. Yes I agree. My main argument against Dany has always been that she is a figurehead for great minds in westeros to attain power. She's like a power snowball rolling down a hill. As she collects more allies, more allies flock to her. Resulting in her current status. Varys already basically said all this

>>86210420
Getting killed by a nuke isn't painful either, you fucking retard

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>winning the game of thrones from beyond the grave

>>86210932
She still has the 3 cities. The 7 kingdoms have always been her main priority and she didn't have the luxury to wait until the cities were fully stabilized.

>she would of burnt kings landing if it wasnt for tyrion.
Only the red keep. And tyrion is basically trying to save his family's ass without knowing.

>give me any example where she learnt from her mistake
She learned to be more assertive and decisive, which is already a huge progress. She learned to take counsel and actually listen to it.
She learned to make compromises even if it means postponing her main objectives.

She's learning to be selectively ruthless to ensure submission without fostering dissent. Which is why she decided to move against the lannister army instead of KL and why she sent men only after casterly rock. Also why she was hesitant to send Dothraki until she had no choice, because she knew it would only create resentment.

>>86210776
I think what you're realizing is that up until the battle of blackwater rush, we had only seen Dany from her own point of view. And she obviously has no doubt that she's a fantastic ruler and person, so our perspective makes it seem like she's doing a good job. But as soon as we hear about her record from outside sources, she sounds like a monster, and the first time we see someone else's point of view of her (the battle), she's very much shown to be the villain.

It's a key part of what her arc is supposed to be, which is a big part of the antiwar message of the series. Dany is supposed to be a character that we think is a good person until a change in perspective shows us what an evil person she is, because every villain thinks they're the hero. The problem with this approach (in theory, at least; practically, some of it comes from the limitations of the writing) is that it's not attempted very often, so most people have no idea that it's happening, and assume they're still supposed to root for Dany.

>>86211011
still doesn't really care for people outside of his circle. Which for a leader sucks.

>>86211025
It's fine until you become a politician with real power over people you don't know.

>>86211001
>none of that justifies her threatening him.
She actually made sure not to directly threaten him. Yes she's on the fence because she doesn't know him.
>Tyrion had to step in to diffuse her hostile bullshit
Because Tyrion knows Jon Snow.

>>86208863
no one cares about that concept except alt righters.

ppl always deny being one because they dont like being labels. they are snowflakes

>>86208411
*unzips dick*

>>86211113
>The peasants were already free anyway.
They aren't. Taxed with next to no returns, regularly bullied by their own leader, living surrounded by the violence of private wars between great lords.

>>86210793
that's the point, she's an incompetent idiot, still, everyone acts as if she's perfect

>>86211330
>But as soon as we hear about her record from outside sources, she sounds like a monster
Because most outside sources are elites upset by her revolutionary attitude

>and the first time we see someone else's point of view of her (the battle), she's very much shown to be the villain.
And when we saw the battle of KL from Tyrion's point view, stannis looked like the villain.

>>86211369
And being ruled by a power-hungry tyrant that can't rule and only burns everything she doesn't like is going to improve that how, exactly?

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>>86207575
her fans look like this

>>86211381
>everyone acts as if she's perfect
When does this happen?

You mean the people serving a queen threat her like a queen? No shit.

She's regularly insulted and belittled by all the others, including her allies.

>>86211436
>Because most outside sources are elites upset by her revolutionary attitude.
Quentyn Martell and his group were Westerosi and supposedly her close allies. Yet when they saw the results of her "freedom", they compared it to actual hell.

>>86211477
She's neither power hungry, nor a tyrant, nor burns everything she doesn't like.

Stannis killed more innocents than her and fucked up more times than her yet everyone sucks his cock. Because normies don't like him and he's a balding white guy, therefore he's a protected group on 4chan.

>>86211531
We're speaking about the movies. This isn't /lit/

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Stop making endless got thread just because you don't feel validated with the amount of upvotes you get in the containment general.

>>86211553
Utter bullshit. D&D absolutely ruined his character, but there's a reason why he's one of the most popular non-POV characters among the bookfags.

>>86211553
>everyone

By "everyone" you mean a few teenage edgelords?

Stannis had Stalin level leadership - execute your own and then use the remaining few as cannon fodder.
But unlike Stalin, Stannis didn't have the Americans around to rescue him from his own bullshit.

Stannis a shit

>>86211436
>Because most outside sources are elites upset by her revolutionary attitude
No they're not. None of them say anything about her "revolutionary attitudes." It's all about how she's slaughtered thousands of people, has weapons of mass destruction, and wants to bring a barbarian horde into their continent. They don't see her a political threat, they see her as a security threat.

>And when we saw the battle of KL from Tyrion's point view, stannis looked like the villain.
Except we didn't see Blackwater Bay entirely from Tyrion's point of the view. The action was switching between Stannis and King's Landing because it wasn't supposed to be clear who the villain was (if you thought it was Stannis, that was your choice). Even if the heroes were supposed to be the Lannisters, we still saw plenty of morally questionable shit like the wildfire (which caused The Hound to abandon his post), and Cersei getting drunk and giving no shits about casualties. Blackwater Rush was not like that at all. The whole thing, from beginning to end was shown from the Lannister point of view, and villain was the person burning people to ashes. The Lannisters were just getting massacred the entire time.

>>86207575
because she's D&D's pet character

>dragon burns a kid
>dany locks up the other dragons out of fear
>nevermind they're fine now

>mereen is rebelling
>never mind it's fine now

>decides to end slavery
>some people want to be slaves though
>things are more complex
>nevermind we killed the slavers and burned their ships
>time to conquer more

>>86211678
>None of them say anything about her "revolutionary attitudes."
Bullshit. Everyone in the free cities hate her because of the slave trade

Everyone in the 7 kingdoms aligned with Cersei hate her because she plans to supplant her.
Everyone not aligned with Cersei only heard about the mad king and the rumors she brings down old power systems.

Literally all the hate she gets is from assholes or people who assume shit about her that isn't true.

Man I always hated Dany because she spent her time diddling in Essos and cucking based Jorah, but I gotta say, Field of Fire was rad as fucking hell and Dany is bae now. Glad Bronn and Jaime are still kicking too.

>>86211162
so remind me again how that's bad, you uppity faggot?

>>86211678
You completely missed my point about POV. That along with the fact that it needs to be explained to you in the first place. Do you have autism?
Is it hard to understand that looking at Danny from enemy's soldiers will make her look like the bad guy in this context? Does this mean that what she's doing is bad or the guys she's attacking are actual good guys?

>>86211363
You are an annoying faggot and should kys

>>86211270
she lost 2 of the cities back to slavers already in the books.

>>86211761
>nevermind they're fine now
No she just didn't have a choice. Which is one of the reason among many why she decided to ultimately leave Mereen.

>never mind it's fine now
Because all the conspirators came out in the open during the invasion and were slaughtered by surprise Dothraki.

>nevermind we killed the slavers and burned their ships
How is this a bad thing?

>>86211894
>Do you have autism?
Do you? You're the one that's ignoring pretty basic visual story cues the series is giving you. It's not about the perspective you chose to look at the character from, it's about the perspective of the scene itself.

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>>86207575
Because she's a mighty whitey and nobody calls her on it. Remember, it's bad when man Danny does it (Iron fist) but cool if lady Danny does it.

Of the two shows, I'm not sure which one I'm more disappointed in. If this ends with Danny and Jon getting married and living happily ever after, D&D have missed the point.

>>86211927
The books and the movies have different stories. Irrelevant.

And even if that ever happens in the movie she already acknowledged it. Her whole arc in mereen was about ultimately understanding that she has to choose between the Cities or Westeros. Now most of the opposition has been crushed and she left Mereen in the hands of someone she trusts, which is the best thing she could do until fully securing Westeros.

>>86211982

>The writers are biased toward Danny
>Dude she's supposed to look like the bad guy

Pick one.

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>>86211486

>>86207575
i dont rly give a shit what D&D write in their shit show

im only watching it because how could i not; doesnt mean i like it

and in the books dany's and jon's chapters were always my most favorite ones, and im pretty sure all the other bookbros can agree

>>86212347
I think you mean Davos chapters

You fucking niggerfaggots have a general. Keep your shit show for shit people in it or kill yourselves.

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>Blond white woman commands an army of dickless, brown former slave warriors.

>She also commands an army of pseudo Arabs on horseback

>Frizy hair Afro bitch telling people words don't have gender and her people have no marriage

>Literally brown and Arab invaders taking over native white lands

>Added bonus for the cucks is that castration is a major recurring theme and women love that idea

>Laughable strong women warriors like Araya and Brienne

>All of the major players are women

>Literally had a season where the slogan was "all men must die"

His could any male with even an ounce of dignity watch this show and not feel completely ashamed of themselves?

This show is the ultimate liberal feminist empowerment fantasy. It's so heavy handed it's embarrassing

If you're a man and you defend this shit you should be ashamed of yourself. You're pathetic and weak and there's nothing good about you.

And if you like this shit stop denying the truth. Own up to it. You love a hard left liberal feminist empowerment fantasy. And you do so because you're weak and pathetic.

What this thread has shown me is that all the hate Danny gets is purely based on racism and sexism.

Unironically.

>>86213577

i think you're lost, here i'll help www.tumblr.com

>>86207745
you just mad cause you wont get any dragon ass

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>>86213106
you made good points but ruined it with the reddit spacing. You need to lurk for a few more years newfriend.
>inb4 "reddit spacing is a reddit meme" meme

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Well you see, only /tv/ hates her so that pretty much means nothing.

>>86213106
>psuedo Arabs

mongols you fucking retard

Khaleesi Says”


Game of Thrones

In this story, she is fire-born:
knee-deep in the shuddering world.

In this story, she knows no fear,
for what is fractured is a near-bitten star,
a false-bearing tree,
or a dishonest wind.

In this story, fear is a house gone dry.
Fear is not being a woman.

I’m no ordinary woman, she says.
My dreams come true.

And she says and she is
and I say, yes, give me that.

>>86207575
she's a bad actress
her character is poorly written
GoT is a billion dollar TV show that feels like someone's college project
i blame feminists

>>86207575
>Because she has dragons?
No.

>Well that's the fucking point. To show a kind girl who would otherwise have no power finally having the means to change the world, and how it turns out.
No.

>>86208404
>She's literally undentable at this point and in a universe where everyone can potentially die,
what was the last surprising death of a main character after S3 really?

>>86214947
Roose or Jon

>>86207753
/thread

>>86211486
YAS. QUEEN. SLAY.

>>86215658
Jon doesn't count for obvious reasons and I don't think roose qualifies as a main character

>why the hate
Because she has a fuckable mouth

>>86207575
Is she doing the ISIS salute? They're not even subtly anymore, are they?

>>86207575
She's the white savior complex personified. At the end of S3 where she frees the slaves, then crowd surfs over the niggers is just plain creepy, but I'm sure it made a lot of people feel tingly inside.

>>86207575
How would Tywin have responded to the invasion lads?

>>86210003
Based Melposter

>>86207575
she's a smug cunt destined to be the winner from the get-go who can't hold just one simple conversation without sperging out over "muh dragons, muh birthright"
and because of the actress obviously

>>86210971
Yeah like when he damned the whole city by letting the Mad king live.

>>86214136
>reddit spacing.
Fucking newfags ruined this place.

>>86215767
Jon counts.

>>86207575
What the fuck is this picture? Someone help.

>>86207575
Mary Sue with horrible actress who fails at being imposing.

>>86216660
he's "dead" for maybe one episode? even if it was two, that shit doesn't count as dying just because it was a cliffhanger

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>>86214136
>reddit spacing
>making your posts readable is reddit

Alright, guy.

>>86214806
Non autists look at them and see Arabs

>>86210688
and then kills the guy he bought them from and takes the dragon back, what kind of trading is that

>>86216985
Macroeconomics

She's a foregin invader causing yet another, pointles war in which thousads of innocents will die. If you go by the themes of the books, she's completly in the wrong.

>>86210147
>>86210667
medieval peasant is the same thing as slave

>>86210715
Asha took Rickon to an island far up north and Davos is going to save him

Tommen is king and likes to play with his cat

Because she's a dumb cringy bitch who hasn't had a single good dialoge since at least 4 seasons. All she ever does is say
>We need to destroy that fleet
>We need to win goddammit ;_;
>muh throne, muh claim
>BEND THE KNEE
and then all the people surrounding here have to figure out what to do for queen dumbwit to succeed.

It's gotten to the point where the plot of people like Tyrion and Varys seeking her out because the believe her to be able to "break the wheel" of dumbass rulers has lost all credibility.

And instead of fixing here they've given her even dumber lines and made her burn thousands of people alive for no reason but "i deserve to rule ree".

>>86207575
Shit casting. She is a terrible actress, and it doesn't help that she has a mouth big enough to swallow her own head.

>>86209240
good meme pic

>family gets kicked off the throne for being cunts
>doesn't get raised to be a leader
>doesn't even want to be a leader when she was young, just a big house and a lemon tree
>muh birthright
>starts a war which results in thousands of deaths because of "muh birthright"
>no leadership capabilities other than muh dragons

Shit mary sue character, If I had wrote ep 4, Drogon would have died, she'd escape/get protected by the dothraki and then she'd have to rethink her "invincible" dragons tactic. It would have been a nice eye opening moment for the character for her so called "I win" button doesn't actually work.
It'd been a good speed bump to her forces too, that maybe there won't be a swift end to the conflict and maybe she should have started in Dorne and marched up taking the country that way.

>>86208411
how the fuck is her character so much less attractive then Clarke IRL?

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>mongols hate weakness and magic and disrespect womyn
>only respect warriors
>some bitch traps their leaders in a tent and burns them alive in their holy place where shedding blood is forbidden
>survives with magic
>WTF I love witches and women now time to kneel

>>86211193
How will he do that?

Or did Viserys spirit enter the dragon, who will become ice-dragon to WW and will he kill the nightkingt once he gets on the iron throne?
Will he finally become "the dragon" and kill Dany?

>>86210385
>Bitter virgins
While that has some weight, it's also true she's a vicious cunty sociopath in the books. If she's likable it's more as a villainess than as a heroine.

>>86217412
Not a Danyfag but:

1) they are afraid of magic, that doesn't mean they don't want it on their side. hence horse gods worship
2) they respect warriors, but their women fight too, read the damn books
3) shedding blood was literally all that was forbidden - burning alive was allowed, again read the damn books
4) You still have a bit of a point, it should be harder to win the mongols over

>>86213106
Men root for Jaime, Bronn, Jon, Euron, Jorah.

Basically everyone else is either dead, a woman, or dickless.

>>86217412
CHAOSH

Daenerys is a destroyer of culture, which is probably why liberals love her so much. She spits on other people's beliefs and customs if they oppose her own. She's nothing but a terrorist.

>>86218411
they don't want magic on their side because they don't trust it like with the witch in season 1 and shedding blood is synonymous with killing, come on now

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>>86208180
>>>/r/eddit, you dumb SJW twat

Dany is the Trump of Westeros
>Only got where she was because of her rich and powerful parents
>A warmongering psychopath hell-bent on ruining society to gain power
>Manages to convince a huge amount of gullible idiots to join her
>Sane people didn't get rid of her when they had the chance now it's coming back to bite them
>As a leader she proves to be incompetent yet the people who flocked to her don't care or notice

>>86218704
where's the part where trump opened borders and let dothraki in

>>86218577
Sure, but if you had to choose between fighting dragons and having them burn your enemies, you'd have to be extra retarded to choose the first. The Dothraki are stupid about some things but fire is pretty fucking obvious

She's a personification of all the problems of the modern world. People who remain comfortably blind love dany. People who see what's really happening hate dany.

I miss stannis. I can't stand what they did to his character. Jaime also.

>>86207575
>i'm not here to murder people
>bend the knee or die

Dickon deserved better.

>>86218704
Actually a good comparison. A rare treat on /tv/ these days.

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>>86210059
>When any other character uses collective punishment you call them ruthless and decisive
Name a single character besides Danerys that uses collective punishment while being portrayed as a good guy

>>86213577
pleb have you read any of these arguments?

>>86210003
>>86208382

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>>86213577
Ironically leftist calling everyone racist and sexist is why the words have lost their meaning and don't mean anything anymore

>>86208411
That confused cow look really gets me down there.

>>86218740
They knelt before feminism before dragons even appeared on the scene, they should have just killed her and fucked off

>>86218969
Are you kidding? It's not just about the dragons being a threat, it's about her immunity to fire.

Wouldn't YOU want immunity to fire in a leader? That's fucking OP

>>86211270
>She still has the 3 cities
How's she going to manage them, by fucking telegraph?

>>86219003
Why would they want a leader who is immune to fire but can't fight? That's retarded

>>86207745
Is Stannis the bad guy then?

>>86219003
I wouldn't because I'm not an idiot who judges a leader based on some retarded gimmick.

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>>86219073
can't be a bad guy if you're not aliv-oh wait

>>86219073
No, he wants to rule as it is his duty to his people and the Lord of Light.

>>86211193
>season 7 finale
>Dany has lords of Westeros backed in a corner, victory seems certain
>suddenly the ground starts to shake
>earth splits open, and a titanic figure emerges, taller than Casterly Rock
>a voice roars out like thunder
>NOW YOU'VE WOKEN THE DRAGON
>yfw

>>86217163
Wee woo wee woo

Fuckin' idiot alert

>>86218856
>Leftist silent after it's revealed that the double standard they're complaining about isn't real

Shocking

>>86207575
I only cared about her scenes because of the characters on her side. But now they are all dead or either want to turn against her.

Also she's just boring. Maybe is she did ANY fighting I'd like her. Like she used a bow or had some type of short sword to fight people with.

Imagine if Jon Snow never fought once and just let his friends fight all of his battles, oh a gave himself a bunch of retarded titles.

>>86219167
>le medieval peasants were free men just like in my fantasy anime

>>86218856
Rob

i'm confused about danny. she's clearly morally grey just like every other character except john snu. why do people consider her to be the good guy? it seems like the show is doing a "good" enough job showing that she's a fuck head yet the fan base thinks she's perfect. you know what, i figured it out as i typed this! danny's fan base is a bunch of stupid fucking roasties yaaaaas queen slay

>>86209240
Why couldn't Jon Snow even make eye contact with her? Why are they attracted to each other when they have less chemistry than Anakin and Padme? Why is Jon still stuck on that borimg fucking island?

>>86208382
why is everything soaked in piss?

>>86207575
Her face is angelic, when she is not laughing. But yeah, she is very small.

>>86216872
Did he die? Yes.

Were people surprised? Yes.

>>86219086
Yeah but the Dothraki are idiot warrior people. They want a strong leader. Think of it like this, immunity to fire makes you a hell of a lot harder to kill in their minds. They more hate water than fire.

>>86210347

Kill yourself. Your the one who brought up gender you gigantic faggot she is not fit to rule and she will never be a great leader. It's glaringly obvious when she talks to Jon in the cave. He shows her proof of the white walkers and she still puts her own ambition above defeating them.

>>86219167
>Peasants were totally paid and therefore not slaves

Only idiot here is you, anon

>>86210388
>burning all the Dothraki leadership because she felt like it
They were going to either keep her as a captive Dosh Kaleen for the rest of her life or rape her bloody for the rest of her life.

>threatening to kill Varys for no reason
Varys plays her and everyone else with no real sense of loyalty. He also arranged for her attempted assassination.

>She introduces herself with dozens of titles like a crazy despot and keeps getting into pissing matches about absolute authority with everyone

She intends to rule 7 kingdoms with absolutely none of them backing her. She is trying to give Jon reasons to respect her. Obviously she doesn't quite understand who she is dealing with, but that hardly makes her a crazy despot.

I'm not a Dany fan, but this whole "Mad Queen" theory is and always has been a reach.

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So quick question, Daenerys is the daughter of the previous king so she thinks the throne is hers.

However Jon is the son of the Mad King's first son who was ahead of Daenerys when it comes to succession, so would Jon's claim to the throne be stronger then Daenerys?
>>86219562
>Why is Jon still stuck on that borimg fucking island
He had to get the dragon glass

>>86210388
>>86219716
>She introduces herself with dozens of titles like a crazy despot and keeps getting into pissing matches about absolute authority with everyone
She might have a lot of titles, but she is no His Excellency, President for Life, Field Marshal Al Hadji Doctor Idi Amin Dada, VC, DSO, MC, Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas and Conqueror of the British Empire in Africa in General and Uganda in Particular

>>86219678
Fire plays very minor role in most battles, it's easy as fuck to kill her despite her silly ability

>>86219113
tf is that shit?

>>86219663
you're literally in the spectrum aren't you

>>86219858
>I cannot into medieval warfare

Okay fuck off anon

>>86219865
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP6YGc1RiJY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=So5uiLgis8s

>>86219794
>would Jon's claim to the throne be stronger then Daenerys?
Yes. Dany doesn't really even have any claim because she's a woman

>>86207725

This she is already letting the cunt shine through only to get humble again when she suffers a defeat
>aaaaaah help me Jon

>>86207575
i didnt realise dany was a muslim.

>>86219629
Most average manlet chubby plain face girl to ever live, and a mediocre/bad actor

I wonder why those hacks casted her

>>86219990
nice meme
she would like in a battle in 5 seconds regardless of her ability so it has no purpose

>>86220018
I don't think line of succession works that way

>>86220061
die in a battle I mean*

>>86220000
cringe, someone kill that fucking paki

>>86217386
it is not. At least as Dany he doesn't make that annoying eyebrow dancing like IRL or in other roles

>>86220118
Can't you at least admire the make up?

>>86220067
There have never been any female rulers until the current fanfiction. Also I saw leaks that Rhaegar and Lyanna were married which would make Jon not a bastard but the direct heir. Even if Dany was a man Jon would get the throne before her in that case

>>86220159
So the Taegerians work on Primogeniture rather then Absolute primogeniture

>apologists inventing narrative in where she doesn't win
you got lectured on gender pronouns, you're falling into the narrative because of contrived struggle writers needed to invent to pretend the fucking world wasn't handed to this virtue signalling white feminist tumblr whore of a character on a silver fucking platter

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>>86211486

>>86213106
>reddit spacing

>>86219694
you got the wrong post twat

>>86220408
>being a double nigger

>>86215758
WHY DO YOU PEOPLE KEEP SAYING THAT

>>86214947
Oberyn, tywin, joffrey, tommen

>>86219361
The only time Robb used collective punishment was when a bunch of guys were caught murdering ten year old

>But he killed the watcher!
Fuck that guy, he was a willing accompliss

>>86209298

she fucks up AND gets everything. literal mary sue

no matter what choices she makes for better or worse she always comes out on top even when it makes no sense,

Any hardships she's faced she's passively waded through them. She falls in love with her rapist and inherits his army. Her bodyguards protect her and stuff. She inherits more armies. Her flying plot armor makes her invincible until needed.

Sansa is kinda the same. She just laid there and got raped until a man came and saved her.

>>86210059
>Sure. When any other character uses collective punishment you call them ruthless and decisive, but when she feeds a single asshole noble to her dragon, she's unhinged and evil.
I can't honestly think of a character other than dany that used collective punishment.
Maybe Joffrey, but he's not suppose to be a good guy like dany is.

>>86219678
In my opinion the way I see those Dothraki I believe they would have seen her as a witch and tried to kill her over it.

They'd respect a male though that did it, because that's how I think they just are.

>>86220674
>I can't honestly think of a character other than dany that used collective punishment.
Cersei

>>86219073
While it's GOT so you could argue anything goes, I think with Robert owning the crown Stannis actually had a claim to the throne. Following the rules like most people with honor he was the rightful heir.

To me Dany is just butthurt her family lost and thinks shes entitled to anything. You could argue Stannis had no claim since the Lannisters beat him to the punch and he lost.

>>86219073
>>86219128
>>86220780
Well he did kill his own brother

>>86220564
Sansa's actress is at least hot though.

>>86220838
>Well he did kill his own brother
Renly was planning on killing Stannis, but Stannis beat renly to the punch.

>>86207575
so she's the Kim Jong Il of Westeros?

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>normies unironically still support dany

>>86220838
That is true, I forgot about that. Then again, was Renly really justified in his claim? Stannis was clearly next in line if you go by those rules. I honestly think Renly should have just worked with Stannis but he decided to go against his brother. Don't think it was right for Stannis to kill him, but just like Tywin with Robb, saved both sides from bloodshed.

>>86220911
>>86220951
So in conclusion Renly was a shit brother as well, was Robert the only thing which kept that family together?

>>86220838
Renly was a traitor and Stannis gave him a chance to stop fucking around but he blew it. He didn't even have any sons and Renly was much younger so he had a good chance of getting the throne later if he wasn't retarded

>>86221022
Kind of, except Robert is kind of a shit brother too when he gave Storms End to Renly instead of Stannis.

>>86221105
Didn't Stannis get Dragonstone, Is that really such a bad deal? Oh sure your little bro got your family castle but you get the former castle of your enemies made by dragons.

>>86221170
Dragonstone is a tiny island, meanwhile Renly got one of the kingdoms despite doing nothing at all

>>86221239
Dragonstone is where the heir of the throne used to live before taking the iron throne, it has a lot of symbolic value.

>>86221170
>Is that really such a bad deal?
Yes and no. Dragonstone is usually given to the heir of the throne, so Robert was giving Stannis a prestigious position.
On the otherhand, Storms End has more vessels sworn to it and Stannis defended it for a whole fucking year. Nevermind the fact that all of Stannis vessels hated him for not being a targ (at least at first).

>>86221276
Stannis didn't see it that way because he has autism, he took it as an insult

>>86207575
>To show a kind girl who would otherwise have no power finally having the means to change the world, and how it turns out.
I fail to see how dany is making the world a better place at all.

>>86207782
>aCoK plotline
>most interesting story

god I groaned every time I saw the words 'DAENERYS" at the top of a page.

>>86221276
>Robert hates Targs
>Robert uses their customs

>>86219855
Don't forget Last King of Scotland.

>>86221328
Everybody saw it as an insult. Robert just never put much thought into his actions.
>And Stannis has always felt he was cheated of Storm's End," Cersei said thoughtfully. "The ancestral seat of House Baratheon, his by rights . . . if you knew how many times he came to Robert singing that same dull song in that gloomy aggrieved tone he has. When Robert gave the place to Renly, Stannis clenched his jaw so tight I thought his teeth would shatter."
>"He took it as a slight."
>"It was meant as a slight," Cersei said.

>>86221428
>Robert uses their customs
Well yes seeing how he lived in King's Landing, sat on the iron throne, used their crown and the titles that came with being king.

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>>86221945
her face is inhuman

>>86221987
I'm pretty sure it's human

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>>86207575

>>86221945
I can't believe such a beautiful creature exists in this world.

Liked her in the first season. Started to hate her when she got undeserved powers.
Her powers are greatly exaggerated and probably the most overrated character and actor on TV. Acting is below average and delivers her dialogs like she's reading in front of a class.
She has done nothing but walk and talk since season 3. Never even have wielded a fucking sword. I hope her dragons get killed and then we will see how many titles she's left with.

>>86221022
No. Robert was a careless drunkard who tended to shirk his duty because it wasn't fun enough. Renly was the one who fucked it all up, though.

>>86219033
By raven

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why is she doing the muslim finger thing?

>>86221085
Plus Selysse was getting up there in age. Stannis may have never had an heir in the end.

>>86218704
The worst of comparisons

>>86222273
as seen in the last episode she is bringing peaceful muslim doctors and lawyers into westeros

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>>86222273
>>86222347
.

>>86222445
WTF I am now a #cruzmissile

>>86222312
Stannis wasn't very eager to reproduce either. IIRC it was said that he would try to have sex with her about once a year and hated every minute of it.

>>86207575
>i don't wanna use my dragons because innocents will die
>thousands of your supporters die because you don't use your dragons
>daughter of one of the most hated rulers ever, a complete psychopath faggot that literally nobody liked
>think you deserve the throne anyways because muh dynasty
>pretend that you're good for the people when you don't even want to establish a republic, you just want to be emperor of everything
>destabilize an entire civilization and leave it for dead
>senselessly murder innocents because you're buttblasted that your knight got killed by rebel harpies
>bring thousands upon thousands of shitskins, infamous for rape, violence, and cruelty, who literally nobody wants to deal with, to western continent simply for the purposes of your conquest
>still have the gall to cry about your own rape even though you will be responsible for the rape of thousands of peasants
>expect everyone to bend the knee to you, unable to respect anyone else's authority because of your lust for power

these are the reasons i despise her
even still, the show clearly portrays her as a pure heroine. which is fucking retarded and predictable

>>86222566
>>86222312
>“Your god can keep his grace,” said Lord Stannis, who did not share his wife’s fervent new faith. “It’s swords I need, not blessings. Do you have an army hidden somewhere that you’ve not told me of?” There was no affection in his tone. Stannis had always been uncomfortable around women, even his own wife. When he had gone to King’s Landing to sit on Robert’s council, he had left Selyse on Dragonstone with their daughter. His letters had been few, his visits fewer; he did his duty in the marriage bed once or twice a year, but took no joy in it, and the sons he had once hoped for had never come.

>>86222566
>>86222692
he truly was /ourguy/

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>>86222273
its a (((satanist))) thing not a muslim thing.

>>86222781
I see two fingers pointing up, not one.

>>86219565
>muh arabian sunset filter

>>86209172
>strong minded
>constantly loses control

>>86222819
well they had to be subtle about it

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>>86222273

>>86222914
Why do I get the felling that you are saying that two is the same as one.

>>86221945
CUTE

>>86221945

dramanerds are such dorks.

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>>86207575
Literally no charisma, hypocritical, conceited and obnoxious. What's there not to hate about her?

Her brother on the other hand was actually entertaining and likable even if he was a cunt, I was rooting for him

>>86219372
Her type of character is typically written to be a sympathetic heroine. Because she's young, pretty, idealistic, rose to power/underdoggish (and female, no point denying it), people took to her. Unfortunately this blinds them to the bad aspects of her character, transforming her into a 2d character. They see her as righteous when the character is quite self-righteous in reality and possibly reflects the immature mentality of the character herself: that it is us vs the world.