So /tv/ unanimously agrees that this is the best western

no, Yojimbo is

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>>86198957
lol no
it's breddy gud tho

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>>86198957
'no'

>>86199334
This.
Still has one of the greatest film scores ever.

nah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JPnR7C8mZQ

>>86199334
those three guys were suppose to be angeleyes tuco and blondie but they couldn't get the schedule right, feels bad

Nope. Overated, but still a good, even great movie.

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>>86198957

>>86199505
henry fonda was great for the role desu, jason robards fine too. but it would have been much better with clint eastwood

not my favourite western but the reveal at the end is such utter kino
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwb3P0fuM1c

>>86199561
tarantino borrowed this shot for inglorious basterds, which is kinda a western disguised as a WW2 film

>>86199643
>henry fonda was great etc.
no, no not the main characters, those are the three guys at the train station at the beginning, if clint etc had been in it they would have died in the first couple minutes that was the idea, but they were all doing other projects at the time

>>86199745
ohhhh
that would have been cool as fuck

>>86199865
yea pottery n shit, would've been cool

>>86199424
This

No, it's just one of the many movie that have been called "greatest western ever" because it was competently made after mainstream westerns died in the 1970s. Audiences now aren't used to seeing westerns, so any time one comes along that isn't shit, it's automatically the best one ever; Unforgiving, Tombstone, Open Range, the True Grit Remake, etc.

>>86199950
Assassination of Jesse James was legit great

>>86199737
I liked Keoma a lot, but the soundtrack kind of ruins it for me.

Probably not, but maybe the best anti-western.

>>86198957
Yes.

>>86199982
that was a character piece set in the old west, not exactly a 'western', it is great though

>>86199950
open range and true grit are the only legit westerns to come out in a long time

>>86198957
i've been meaning to rewatch this ever since I heard DFW fucks with it

>>86199950
I see what you mean but Unforgiven is such an exceptional and thought provoking western. Sometimes it feels like a anti-western. A deconstruction of western cliche, its anti violent themes, its take on how western legends are all bullshit and exaggeration. Its like an antidote to all those "cool" westerns from the 60s and 70s, especially the ones with clint. Instead of portraying gunslinging and killing as something adventurous and exciting the movie presents it as abhorrent and traumatizing which is probably what it was really like.

>>86198957
I dunno about the best but it is pretty good. "Best western" is going to just come down to personal taste in the end.

My favorite is the Outlaw Josey Wales.

>>86198957
>deconstruction of western
>best western
Pick one.

>>86199982
Agreed. It's kind of arguable whether it's a Western or not, but it's a great movie. If you do want to consider it a western, I think it would seriously be in consideration for best ever.

And I really like all the movies I listed, too. I wasn't trying to imply that they're bad or that the praise is undeserved. I just think it's funny that literally every time a major Western is released now, it starts getting praised as the best Western ever.

>>86199950
>>86200108
I think unforgiven is what started the 'modern' western, the last old style one was probably quick and the dead and its fun but it kinda sucks, everyone started 'deconstructing' the western after unforgiven

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It's one of the best

I really enjoyed Slow West. I can't be the only one on here. I pretty much enjoy the new kind of 'silent approach' in recent attempts at western; like the True Grit remake or Slow West.
I also really enjoyed Sam Harris' Appaloosa.

In terms of fun western I really love Maverick

>>86200300
Yeah, Slow West was great. So was The Salvation as far as things released in the past few years. I keep hearing about Appaloosa and forgetting to watch it.

>>86200300
appaloosa was good
I've considered watching slow west a bunch of times but never did because I honestly thought I'd be bored by it

>>86200395
Give it a try. It's not as slow as There will be Blood or The Assassination of Jesse James, let alone remotely as heavy.

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>>86198957
It is Clint's opus. Purposefully abandoning every western trope while simultaneously embracing everything he ever learned from the masters of western film. Almost a retrospective. Some say the last, great American western. Valid argument can be made that is not a western at all but something else; Something that stands alone.

>>86200373
>The Salvation
Huh, I completely forgot about that one. Thanks, gonna watch this some time soon.

>>86200373
>The Salvation
didn't even know that existed, it looks good

>>86200572
Well put

>>86200572
>It is Clint's opus
I know it's a good movie and all but that's giving it a bit too much praise right there friend, don't you think?

>>86198957
No
That would be young guns 2

>>86200703
>Not Wild Wild West
Stay casual.

I genuinely love young guns

>>86200703
this ain't your gang dave

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this is the best western

>>86200784
young guns 1+2 is genuinely great, and a lot more accurate then you might think

I know it's kind of a crossover thing in terms of genre, but I'd like to mention Ravenous here because it's such a great flick. The OST alone is amazing.

>>86200981
>dat chase music

>>86200784
It's no Posse, but not bad.

>>86200981
Damon Albarn did the ost. No surprise there.

>>86200981
>>86201183
>>86201307
here it is, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfYAPdIJcFU, seeing this for the first time is such a what the fucking fuck is going on? moment, the movie builds to this perfectly

>>86201183
>>86201307
>>86201467
That's the opening music. Got me and fucked me up good from the get go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V-KLn_PgQg
Underrated little movie.

>>86199334
This is for me

>>86198957
Unironically yes.

>>86200157
It's a deconstruction of the deconstruction though. A comment on the comment. Meta western. There was nowhere to go after Unforgiven. There's a reason it's taught in university film classes.

>>86204361
>university film classes
Lol. No offense, but they "teach" about all kinds of stuff there. Please don't offer this as an argument.

It's great but can't beat the Sergio Leone movies.

>>86204826
It's not meant to beat them. It's meant to be the denouement.

>>86200017
Pleb

>>86199737
This is my favorite film

>>86199737
That's literal trash compared to smoe of the stuff that has been mentioned in this thread already

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this is the best western

>>86198981
THIS

>>86206093
Fuck off weeb

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You're all wrong, this is the best. Forget everything you thought you knew about western cliches, and it has Mario Brega in it.

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>>86198957

no

Is Tombstone any good? Been meaning to watch it for a while now

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>>86206307

>>86198957
first time I heard the word cunny

>>86206139
Lol. Kill yourself, plebstain

Why do women hate westerns bros?

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>>86206430

There's a big article about this on The Ringer right now, if you're into quasi-left-wing awful writing.

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>>86206505
>literally exactly what I said

Being right feels so good bros

>>86198957
You should check out the Japanese version of Unforgiven, called Unforgiven (2013). The Japanese name is Yurusarezaru mono. Terrific film with an excellent score, and criminally unrecognized.

>>86198981
>Fistful of Dollars is a western remake of a samurai film that wears the mask of a western

How many levels deep did Kurosawa and Leone go?

Yeah, but not because it's SO GOOD, but because most westerns suck kek

Good, bad and ugly (what a cocksucking film title for fuck's sake) is the one who comes close

>>86199252
>>86199561

John Wayne + John Ford is GOAT, not even just counting westerns.

>>86206494
t.low IQ shitposter

Which sub genre produced better films: Westerns or Vietnam war?

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>>86206851
>white people aligning themselves with distant cultures because they've failed to connect with their own

>>86206952
This is how I know you're an utter pleb.
Kurosawa heavily borrowed from western storytellers like Shakespeare. Who again borrowed from the Greek who took some of their myths and rites from India.
You're a dumb shitstain. I'd say don't procreate, but I'm not really worried you could.

>>86206952
>muh identity politics
Go fuck off, you sad fuck

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>>86206952
>He doesn't know some westerns were literal remakes of samurai movies

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The Good The Bad The Ugly is a god tier Japanese Western by the director of I Saw The Devil.

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>>86206952
>distant cultures
>uses the internet
Wat?

Are weebfags the easiest losers to trigger? This thread says probably.

>>86207405
Lol. Cry harder and stay ignorant. You're probably the loser around here.

>>86207405
>Calling ppl who like Kurosawa weebs
Kindly leave this website, dipshit

>>86200300
>Maverick
This movie gets not enough love

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>>86205801
Fucking pleb.

>>86198957
Yes, this is objectively the greatest western of all time.

Didnt we have a remake of Magnificent Seven recently? Was it already released? Havent seen.anyone talk about it.

>>86206283
It's not better, the story and character arcs are inferior

>>86207737
I agree, maverick is an incredibly fun, original movie. Gibson is fantastic.

>>86208070
It wasn't really good. Memelord had a few nice charismatic seconds in it and there was this heroic indian dude but that was it.

>>86208070
Its awful

>>86208165
>original movie
>based on a tv series of the same name
what do you mean by this?

>>86208247
lol

>>86208247
True but Mel and based Jodie made it feel unique

>>86199252
patrician

unforgiven might be the greatest film ever about relapse, though

>>86208292
>>86208484
yea its great, everyone is great in it
>tfw i actually did think those were the words to amazing grace until I saw this

>>86208070
It's bad.

Unforgiven is good but it's really meant to be meta which is not really surprising seeing as Clint made it as his goodbye to the genre, so I wouldn't really count it as the best.

In the last ~9 months I've watched like 19634587 westerns which makes choosing one very hard and here are my picks:

>The Searchers(Ford was amazing at choosing the landscapes to shoot in)
>Once Upon a Time in the West(earlier and later Leone movies are good, but that was probably his peak)
>The Ballad of Cable Hogue

How bland do you have to be to think Unforgiven, Shawshank, etc. are the best movies ever made? Nothing remarkable about them at all.

>>86208744
>no Rooster Cogburn

>>86208884
No one has even said anything about Shawshank, that doesn't even have anything in common with anything in this thread. And Unforgiven is a pretty unique western.

>>86208884
Don't worry, Black Panther is coming out soon.

>>86199561
TRUTH

>>86208990
That anon is a shit sipper. Unforgiven is top five western of all time

You're a daisy if ya do...

>>86200981
>>86201183
>>86201467
>>86201977
Went into it blind and it caught me completely off guard. Would definitely recommend not knowing anything about it if you can help it, wish there were more movies about that sort of thing.

The Great Silence is the best western of all time. Unforgiven is up there and I love it and it's perfect but Corbucci really nailed it. Never really understood the praise heaped on Once Upon a Time in the West or The Wild Bunch, both are good but not particularly groundbreaking or amazing and they also kind of drag on.

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>>86199334
my nigga

>>86206762
It wasn't a remake, it was plagiarism. Kurosawa sued and won.

>>86211421
Really?

>>86199252
I'm throwing in with you, pilgrim.

>>86212123
Kurosawa said he made more money from the lawsuit than he did from Yojimbo. Also he still liked Fistful

>>86199505
Honestly I don't think it would've worked. Like introducing Claudia with an upskirt no panties shot

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Not the best western, but certainly the best western with a female lead.

>>86200143
>My favorite is the Outlaw Josey Wales.
You are mah nigga.
Superb taste m8.

>>86211421
Cry me a river.

Fistful was only ever supposed to be some side project made with excess crew and film stock from some other movie nobody remembers.

It's a testament to its quality it had the cultural impact that it did.

Unforgiven is like the Disney version of the Searchers. No to continue.

That's not The Outlaw Josey Wales

>>86209045
It doesn't even enter top 15. Watch more films, please.

>>86212628
this

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>>86198957
But that's not Butch Cassidy & Sundance Kid, anon-kun.

>>86200211

I'd describe Unforgiven as the birth of Post-Modern Westerns.

>>86200211
John Ford already built, deconstructed and reconstructed westerners. It's not a new thing. Watch more films.

>>86205835
i grew up watching all that stickdeath, newgrounds, flash animation bullshit as a kid, and then a few years ago finally got around to watching this and it felt like every 3 minutes id go "wait that was from....hold up that sound was used in....wait that sequence was....". surreal as shit

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What does /to/ think of Shane? I've been meaning to watch it for a while now

>>86198957
The best early Western is The Stagecoach
The best Golde Era Western is Rio Bravo
The best John Ford western is The Searchers
The best post modern western is Once upon a time in the west
The best popular western is TGTBATU
The best modern western is Unforgiven

Those are FACTS

>>86199505
>they couldn't get the schedule right
nah, Eastwood didn't want to. He did a Bill Murray

>>86198957
High Noon

>>86200572
Did you know he bought the script in the 80's and kept in locked until he was old enough? The poor writer didn't get any recognition for all those years until Clint made the movie

>>86200814
the needless text ruined your post.

>>86213866
>Those are FACTS. I can't prove it to you but they are facts.
;^)

>>86200092
Appaloosa was great

>>86200373
>I keep hearing about Appaloosa
It was a major disapponting for me. Boring as hell.

>>86213957
Pleb

>>86213975
I'm this guy >>86213866. How pleb I am now?

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This is actually the best western.

>>86206451
My girlfriend likes them. But id say because they're generally masculine, violent, with male dominated casts, etc

So we can all agree that Few > TGTBTU > Fistful right?

>>86206749
I thought it was goofy and mediocre

>>86213957
Shit taste

>>86214072
hell no

TGTBTU>Few>Fistfulls. For fuck's sake, how could get that wrong?

>>86214153
that's too obvious amigo. separate yourself from cultural influence. separate yourself from reality. put yourself in a room where you have only those three movies and nothing else. only then will you know.

>>86206451
Are you dumb?
Also
>bros
did you get lost or something, you fag? Nobody here is your 'bro' and nobody here is 'legion'

>>86214194
Bro, it doesn't matter the circunstances, I could be back form a funeral or a three days party, I could be happy or sad, I could be high or low, I could be crying or laughing my ass of. If TGTBTU is on tv, I watch it.

>>86214252
You don't strike me as very intelligent.

>>86214268
Sorry

>>86214252
>If TGTBTU is on tv, I watch it.
I really hope you don't actually still have a TV and watch television, anon. Please tell me you're joking

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>>86198957
Sorry OP, it's no Tombstone

It's something I always enjoy when I watch it.

>>86213928
He wrote blade runner he was doing fine

>>86201467
>>86201977
>>86210897

Yup. Time for a rewatch.

>>86214306
last 30 minutes is shit. so no, it isn't even close.

>>86214409
k.

>>86198957
Yeap

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;_;

>>86214288
Not when I'm alone, but I still watch it when I'm with my wife just chilling. Anyways, I was mostly talking about the time when I still lived with my parents. Catching that movie on the TV thousands of times is one of the few good memories I have with my father

>>86214324
Blade runner was a flop and a failure for years

>>86214498
Wait a minute.
>movie is called 'Unforgiven'
>Dedicated to Sergio and Don
Does this mean Clint didn't forgive them for something?

>>86214083
You thought wrong mate

>>86212733
>"Raindrops keep falling on my head..."

>>86212123
>>86212178

I believe he said something to the extent of "Its a great movie, but its my movie!". Also trivia: after winning the lawsuit Fistful was released in Japan under the title "Return of Yojimbo" by the Japanese studio. More trivia: The Warrior and the Sorceress is another unofficial remake of Yojimbo this time in a fantasy setting. David Caradine who plays the lead role didnt want to do the movie because "its literally Yojimbo" but the director told him "no, no they cant sue us because its all based on a book thats why Sergio Leone could make his film" which was obviously a lie. And since we are on the topic of Yojimbo remakes theres also Last Man Standing, a prohibition era western with Bruce Willis, which I actually quite like.

>>86205835
idk man it was entertaining and all but the final scene felt really chaotic and over the top imo

>>86214824
Youth of the Beast is also influenced by it but more loosely

>>86214824
>Last Man Standing
oh shit the body count in that thing. Not the best movie ever, but a good Bruce Willis flick, I liked it.

Cemetery without crosses
4 of the apocalypse

>>86214909
Good game but no. It's one of the most derivative pieces of work I've ever seen

>>86215109
>Not the best movie ever, but a good Bruce Willis flick

Yeah, thats how I feel about it.

>>86212761
Unforgiven is modernist as have been every Western since it barring maybe No Country For Old Men which might stray into post-modernism.

rio bravo
red river
she wore a yellow ribbon
stagecoach
the man from laramie
the naked spur
man of the west
the tin star
shane
josey wales
paler rider
unforgiven

none of that commie spaghetti crap from italy.

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>>86198957

pls

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>>86198957
Why do people hold the good the bad and the ugly in such a high regard? Ive only seen it once (the longest possible version) and it left a pretty bad taste in my mouth

The movies opening was stellar and it had a great mood up until someone finally talked but after that it was just one big long boring drawn out mess before the final showdown and it feels like the entire movie was just an excuse for that moment (which admittedly is great, and not only because of the amazing soundtrack)

Maybe I missed some incredible nuance from my one viewing but practically every character that wasnt in the main three felt throwaway, and even the main three doesnt really amount to anything. One is a slimy comic relief guy, Angel Eyes is just a "bad" guy and Eastwoods character whose name escapes me seems very bland in the place of what could obviously have been very good. The story just seems very pulp but not even in an extremely entertaining way because of the slog that is its pacing and lack of moments even half as interesting as the ending. Im not american so the setting doesnt really do enough on its own to keep me interested either, which is a primary pull of pulp more often than not

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>>86215852
>Eastwoods character whose name escapes me

>>86215941
Been a long time since I watched it and Ive only seen it out of its trilogy

>>86215827
Oh man, I've been wanting to see that for years, now. An older guy I worked with told me about it and absolutely loved it (he was a wizard).

>>86215941
>Eastwoods character whose name escapes me
I caught that, too, but you beat me to it. Heh...

>also, Cowboys & Aliens

>>86215852
>Why do people hold the good the bad and the ugly in such a high regard?
It's pure, wild fun.

>Ive only seen it once (the longest possible version) and it left a pretty bad taste in my mouth
I'm so sorry for your shit taste.

>>86215852
If you couldn't appreciate the whole adventure in the middle of the movie because of the "lack of interesting moments" maybe insta-grat quipshit is more your speed.
if the setting doesn't interest you why the fuck are you watching westerns?

>>86216073
>bad taste in my mouth
>shit taste

Nice.

>>86198957
Maverick starring Mel Gibson is the pinnacle of westkino

>>86200092
Appaloosa, 310 To Yuma

>>86211421
>>86212178
except Kurosawa took the plot from an American novel

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>>86213897
Do not forsake me oh my darling on this our wedding daaaay.

>>86216095
>if the setting doesn't interest you why the fuck are you watching westerns?

A good movie will ultimately still be a good movie even if im not interested by default. Most people arent interested in science fiction but love star wars

>If you couldn't appreciate the whole adventure in the middle of the movie because of the "lack of interesting moments" maybe insta-grat quipshit is more your speed.

Nice strawman, my issue with the movie was that it just felt like the characters were going through the motions just to get them to the end for the writers convenience.

>>86216073
>It's pure, wild fun.

Its the exact opposite of fun. Over half of the movie consists of talking and walking about uninteresting characters and events. This might be acceptable if there was an actually good story to follow or something thematically interesting but the movie lacks both. Compare this to the nicholas cage movie "lord of war". A simple but effective idea is stretched out to both create a great story and broaden the views of the audience. What exactly does TGTBATU do? The first 40 minutes is setting up these characters that are all just greedy with no nuance to them beyond maybe the protagonist not being as good as youd imagine him to be. The entire movie is almost structured like a set of comedy sketches (see: the holy grail) but instead of being funny, they are supposed to be genuine

>>86214026
>spits tobacco juice on dog's head

>>86214306
Complete garbage.

>>86198957
It's definitely worthy of the title but I haven't seen enough westerns.

>>86214909
This is not a western. It's about the death of the western golden era and decline of that era's values in the face of modernism. That's why there are semi auto pistols and top hats, and why it's set in the early 1900s (forget when John's stuff is set, but Jack's stuff is 1911 or thereabouts, a few years later).
It's likely the sequel will be golden age western, because it's going to be a mostly multiplayer cash grab piece of trash.

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>>86198957
no

>>86214909
AND NOW I KNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW THE ONLY COMPASS I NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED IS THE ONE THAT LEADS BACK TO YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU


;___________________________;

>>86219722
mediocre at best.

for outright modern westerns True Grit remake, Meeks Cutoff were better.

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not the best western but pretty good western

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>>86206159
fagili western>spaghetti western>american western

>>86199561
Nah, not even close. Very overrated.

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>>86198957
I would say, yes. But that yes is predicated on the viewer being fairly familiar with westerns as a whole and the tropes therein. It really should never be someone's *first* western.

That said, I'm sure there's plenty of enjoyment to be gained in watching it if you've never seen any westerns before. I just think there's more to be appreciated somewhere down the line.

>>86198957
I wouldn't say it's the best, but it's easily top 5

>>86214909
Red Dead Redemption is obviously an anti-Western

>>86199334
Good bad and the ugly is still superior in cinematography, screenplay and has better morricone music

THat's not even the best Clint western. High Plain Drifter is.

>>86212544
Who cares? If I say "IT WAS A SIDE PROJECT!" does that excuse plagiarism?

>>86199252
But John Wayne can't act.

>>86198957
My father thinks so. I like it well enough.

What was the purpose of Richard Harris' character though?

>>86199334
Probably my favourite revenge film.

>>86220373
I'm not sure what you're asking here.

>>86207279
didn't like this film

There's something about Leone and Ford and how they crafted multiple films into one single mythological folk tale westerner. Really amazing craftmanship that is rarely seen. Kurosawa did the same with samurai films.

>>86208070
the opening scene was ok and it was just downhill from there

rubbish film

>>86220396
Well, look at Ebert's review of the film and that's one of his criticisms. I'm curious how someone would reply to that.

http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/great-movie-unforgiven-1992

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>>86198957
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>>86206283
that's post-western though

>>86219685
john is 1911, jack is like 3 years around the time WW1 is kicking off

>>86220323
mah nigga

>>86220436
A movie doesn't have to have every character have a defined purpose. It's not a math equation, it's a piece of art (it can be a bad piece of art, but it's still art).

There is not just one way to make a movie. Hollywood has become very standardized over the last 3 decades (fuck Blake Snyder and his beat sheet). That whole "kill your darlings" meme is the worst thing to ever happen to books and movies. Not everything needs to be about muh getting to the point and muh streamlined plot and muh point by point character development.

A character like that is a great thing to have in a movie. It doesn't matter if it's not 100% woven into the character arcs of other characters or the main plot.

>>86220692
I actually agree completely. I think that kind of stuff can make for good worldbuilding. But it seems to be a common sentiment that extraneous characters are a no-no so I wondered if anyone felt differently or if it was really just me. So I'm glad to hear this.

>>86198957
Not even close

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>>86198957
I'd also say The Boss aka The Black Bounty Killer ranks up there as well.

>>86206451
Dialogue doesn't fill every scene so they get bored.

>>86220436
The point was to show that a lot of the reputations and myths of the era are a bunch of bullshit. English Bob comes into town with a biographer talking up his reputation and acting like he's the man, then gets immediately put in his place by Bill. The fact that Ebert couldn't see that proves he was a massive pleb who didn't understand movies.

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thought this was pretty kino

>>86220373
>What was the purpose of Richard Harris' character though?
I don't get why so many people have a problem with this interlude. Narratively, it sets up how far Little Bill is willing to go to keep his town gun-free and make an example of the first one who tries to start shit, as the bounty is supposed to bring in all the killers from the country. If a ruthless killer like Bob can't do it, what chances does that old pig farmer have? Thematically, it's linked to the old Fordian lie of "print the legend, not the truth" and the deconstruction of myths and heroes. Bob is, through oral tradition and through cinematic techniques, built up as a niconic badass one moment, only to be exposed as a bum the next. This applies to the other characters (the kid brags, but is blind; Freeman sells himself as a keen sharpshooter, but can't pull the trigger; Munny we're told is a legend, but is face down in the mud, etc.). Bob's tales are exposed as lies by Bill; but in turn Bill starts telling his story to Beauchamp as the real legend, and Munny exposes him as another lie/bum. Surely if the movie kept going, Munny would have gotten shot by a nobody like a pathetic bum as well. Such is the cycle.

Beauchamp the storyteller and legend creator, is the screenwriter, the filmmaker. It's Peoples, Eastwood, Ford, Leone, Siegel, Peckinpah. The narration is constantly unreliable. It goes from unromantic realism (Munny falling off his horse like a bum) to hyper-stylized pulp (Munny being the avenging angel of death killing everyone in the saloon without getting shot once) from one scene to the next, and back again; that's what makes the film so meta. Setting up the gunfight during the night and under a pouring rain is for example Clint being aware he had to make it as cinematic, as fictitious as possible, closer to something Leone would have done, whereas the early farm scenes are shot in a very different style, without stylistic effects.

>>86221996
dis nigga gets it

>>86206283
Best war movie

>>86219722
End yourself.

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What about this?

>>86223480
not a goat, but pretty good and better than the original 7/10

>>86198957
>Unwatchable

Nope, fucking boring. The Lone Ranger was better than this shit.