Ok so the black goo is a bioweapon, like the plague but it chooses

>>86124030
watch the movies, its all explained.

Because Ridley Scott has dementia.

>>86124030
put the phone down or close all the other windows when you watch a movie.

>>86124214
It is fucking NOT I just watched them and that was all the info they gave.

>>86124238
The only explanation.

That or he's still holding important info back because he wants to keep making Alien movies.

>>86124030

It doesn't create monsters it causes genetic mutation, using it to seed a planet meant that it would mutate the engineers cells and his body would cause all life on that planet to develop

>>86124264
I FUCKING DO CUNT

They never explain why the black goo mutates certain people or animals into monsters. Or why a guy getting fucked up by the goo seeds the planet.

>>86124272
that's dumb because he could've just died without the goo and had the same effect

>>86124308

You're completely right however I imagine it would've taken a lot longer, the goo is like rapid evolution

>>86124030
It's more of a terraforming tool than a bioweapon. It's designed to kill all the big animals, spawn some monsters that finish off stragglers, and use the biomass of the dead as compost to grow new life from simple DNA strands over a period of a few million years.

>>86124272
Thank you for the first actual answer to my questions.

So there's life already on a planet and then the engineers mutated cells get spread around and kickstart evolution?

So if that's true and the black goo does that, why is it also implied they use it as a nuke to end all life on a planet? Does a little bit cause growth but a large amount cause an overdose and the fauna can't handle it?

>>86124308
But if he just died then his body wouldn't do shit. The black goo must help speed up evolution in other species that drink the water the engineer fell into and then from there it just snowballs

>>86124355

As a weapon it would be like a fresh start tool, wipes out all existing life and causes new life to develop from the old life ensuring the planet isn't wasted

>>86124336
And presumably this new life would be more intelligent like humans?

>>86124419
Ohhh I see now. Thanks for clearing it all up.

>>86124441

Well looking at the film they had identical DNA to engineers somehow so this must be programmed into the goo

The black goo is the xenomorph. It just needs a tweaking to take on that form but it is the essence of the xenomorph.

>>86124529
wrong

>>86124529
right.

>>86124030
>it chooses random people to turn into monsters for whatever fucking reason. Anyone got an explanation for why it does that?
There is a logic to the goo, but it has nothing to do with real world science. Prometheus is a movie, after all.

>5'10 humans identical dna to 9' hairless pale space aliens

Yeah, you don't even share identical dna between ethnicities let alone a fucking space alien

>>86124289
they do sweety, watch the movies.

>>86124990
it's not identical but just like you can take dna from two different people and say "yeah, these two samples are human" that's what happened with the engineer.

>>86124355
It's not the same goo. They used it initially to populate planets just like earth seen in the intro to Prometheus. Then for some reason, after an unclear period of time, they decided to wipe off their original human creation with an advanced, weaponized version of the goo that has different, seemingly random effects on different lifeforms. It doesn't dissolve engineer DNA to fertilize planets anymore it now violently overwrites the DNA of the host causing the varying mutations. Now was that to wipe the slate clean and start fresh or were the Alien™ creatures our replacement as the superior species, were they disgusted when they learned we created artificial life, was it just them wreaking havoc for their amusement, was it a disappointing father punishing his children? These are the question Prometheus wanted you to ask yourself and it's a damn shame they completely redconned that story line with Fassbender wiping off the planet. .

>>86125427
the goo is the same goo, there aren't different versions of it. David clears it up in the second movie. And they didn't come back to earth just "for some reason," it was a very specific reason. They were going to use the exact same goo that doesn't have random effects, it has very specific effects depending on how you interact with it.

>>86125527
When does that happen? When does David ever mention the "original" goo that was used to create life?

"At the start of Prometheus, an Engineer is shown to drink a similar-looking liquid which causes his body to disintegrate into DNA. It is unknown whether or not this liquid was the black liquid, though the effects of the two are remarkably different."

That's from the wiki if that counts for anything.

>it was a very specific reason.

Go ahead and tell me, I'm aware what they wanted to do my question was why?

Covenant makes it clear that black goo is grey goo. It's clearly proframmable to some degree. In the first scene it disolved the engineer into small DNA fragments that then seeded life.
Weaponized goo creates xenos

>>86125735
>That's from the wiki if that counts for anything.
it doesn't. Watch covenant, it spells shit out for you. Again, the goo has different effects depending on how you interact with it.

and they literally wanted to kill humanity because of space jesus. It's not even a joke.

>>86125897
>It's not even a joke.
it's just a theory.

>>86125992
>“We definitely did, and then we thought it was a little too on the nose,” he admits. “But if you look at it as an ‘our children are misbehaving down there’ scenario, there are moments where it looks like we’ve gone out of control, running around with armor and skirts, which of course would be the Roman Empire. And they were given a long run. A thousand years before their disintegration actually started to happen. And you can say, ‘Let’s send down one more of our emissaries to see if he can stop it.’ Guess what? They crucified him.”

literally not a theory when the director (and the movie) spells it out for you.

>>86124030
The goo breaks things down and seemingly reconstructs face huggers out of the DNA.
Just a little bit of goo and Shaw's boyfriend had tiny face hugger worms in him.

The geologist turns into a zombie because they originally wanted him to turn into a weird xenomorph hybrid but bailed out because that would spoil the Deacon ending.

>>86125897
So the same goo dissolves entire Engineers into DNA but ridiculously transforms other lifeforms? I think that's unlikely even in the Alien universe. Isn't it more likely that the Engineers, in all years, actually engineered the substance, transforming it into a weapon?
I mean you could be right, but I've seen Covenant and have no idea what you are talking about. When is the life creating goo mentioned?

>>86126096
That is so fucking ridiculous. So the same species that send us a fake space jew preaching love, tolerance, forgiveness, altruism and pacifism (and for an supposed Alien being showed a weird fixation on reforming specifically Judaism) decided to violently genocide a whole planet of sentient beings? Get it together Ridley.

>>86126248
like I've said for the third time now, it all depends on how you interact with it. That engineer literally chugged a mug full of it. The other interactions are nothing even close to that. David literally explains that the goo takes many forms and is highly mutable. SO yes, the same goo that the engineer chugs dissolves him, and if given in smaller doses and then someone has sex with that person, it'll create a squid, and if you fall into a pool of it you'll turn into a zombie. That's what the movie presents.

and you're looking at the engineers in a really really small scale. They've been living for millions of years, doing this shit. So "in all years" they've been using this magical goo that acts as a method to seed and destroy for both purposes. There's no point in having two different goos (story telling wise) unless you want to overcomplicate a pretty simple concept.

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>>86124030
>Anyone got an explanation for why it does that? Why not just have it kill indiscriminately?

We've never seen it used 'properly'. We've just seen humans stumble upon it and touch elements of it that are in whatever state.
We've also seen an android fuck around with the version of it that it found on a 2000-year old spaceship.

We don't really know the full story behind it yet, but David said in that Advent clip on the blu-ray that the black goo is like biological AI nano-molecules. So there might be some kind of algorithm that has its reason for doing what it does, or it's fundamentally disfunctional in it's state before use.

>>86126427
I realize it has different effects varying on the form of contact/infection and I never said otherwise. But that accounts for the black goo in the main plot of the two movies but when, and I also repeat myself for the third time, is it mentioned that it's the same goo from the intro of Prometheus? I'm only disagreeing on this specific point.

>magical goo

See this is why I disagree, I think it's more likely they engineered the substance rather than it being some magical super jizz.

>>86126575
>when, and I also repeat myself for the third time, is it mentioned that it's the same goo from the intro of Prometheus?
when is it mentioned that it isn't. They show what it is in the beginning adn then use it through out. It's literally a long played out chekhov's gun. You're only over complicating it for no fucking reason.

>>86126515
>the black goo is like biological AI nano-molecules

Geezus kwythe, it was nanomachines all along, eh Ridley?

Who thinks up this shit, Kojima?!

>>86126648

Why no biological nanomachines? It's not all that far from present reality, let alone millions of year old alien civilisations.

>>86126620
>over complicating it

They are called engineers so they developed a substance that allowed them to populate worlds with beings similar to them. After being disappointed with their creation they send ships with an engineered, weaponized variant of the original substance to wipe out their mistake.
Now how is that too complicated for you buddy? But stick to your magical goo what do I care.

>>86126804
Because it literally adds nothing to the story.

>>86126804
One character named the engineers, doesn't mean that's what they are.

>>86124030
Stop being a fag and start paying attention next time. Prometheus and covenant explain it all.

>>86127091
It makes more sense. There are millions of years between the events and you think it's more logical they never created anything else but that one specific magic substance that has ridiculously varying effects even on the same species. Remember the ship in Prometheus? Let's assume the Engineers on their way to earth were infected through accidental inhalation or something similar. That would mean that the same substance that dissolves Engineers entire bodies into evolution inducing DNA if they drink it, infects them if they come in contact in any other form. It just doesn't make sense to me. Maybe my mistake is believing Scott has still some of his brain cells left.

>>86127118
They are by definition. They create life so why couldn't they create weapons. Why does it have to be the same magical thing.

>>86127496
Why does it have to be two different things? Believe whatever you want, it literally makes no impact, only difference is that it never was presented as two different substances and you want it to be for no reason.

>>86124289
t. Idiot Abo

>>86127611

>Why does it have to be the same thing? Believe whatever you want, it literally makes no impact, only difference is that it never was presented as one specific substances and you want it to be for convenience.

Was fun going in circles with you anon.

>>86125992
>>86125527
>>86125735
>>86125740

Just an fyi here

You guys are putting in 10x more thought and effort into this than Scott did, so don't get too carried away.

>>86127884
I'll take presented convenience over forced head canon any day.

Remember when every-fucking-body latched on Lindelof as the one who made Prmetheus suck?

Now, after Covenant, SUDDENLY... nothing. And now we know it was Ridly Scott behind it all.

What I'm trying to say is, it's time to A P O L O G I Z Z L E

>>86124030
>black goo
its used to create life and was used as a bio weapon
>why did the kill the A.I and hate humanity
because he saw humans were making life just like they did and it was like telling god your equal to it.
> jesus alien
yes and if not for him we would be all wiped out.
> Davids motives?
he hates all life and see's them as imperfect. this gives him a need to try to make the perfect race which gives birth to the xenos.
>but why kill of the Prometheus
cause he hated them as much as he hated humans

the only plothole in the whole movie is why they have so advance tech but in older movies its shit.

>>86127896
Instead of making things pointlessly convoluted, why not accept that the goo is a narrative device? What it did to its victims in Prometheus had to do with their character. In the setting, it's 'literally' magic goo that reacts to thought.

>>86124486
So they programmed our white goo inside their black goo as well?

>>86124289
Kys

>>86128197
David must've been dumb as fuck because xenos don't come close to humans let alone perfect.

They're dumb animals with amazing hunting and survival abilities but other than that they are nothing.

Could they have hidden intelligence underneath their dildo heads? Unlikely.

>>86128270

The whole prequel series is convoluted and lazy

Covenant retconned every alien and predator movie, including the video games and novels.

I expect a reboot at some point to get this horrible writing back under control.

>>86128568
>retconned every alien and predator movie

Those were NEVER cannon you fucking autist, NOBODY ever put a Paul WS Anderson movie in the same continuity as the original Alien movies

FUCK

>>86128568
>predators
>horrible writing
You reminded me of something, I read somewhere on the Alien wiki that xenos were created for predators to hunt them. Like their sole purpose is to be put on a planet and let young predators hunt and kill them as a graduation ceremony or some shit.

So.. What the fuck?

>>86128614
Prometheus made the first AvP more canon by being a half-remake of it.

>>86128620
they didn't make them. the predators used xenos to hunt and breed them but thats it

>>86124214
It's not, in covenant it's even more obscure. The black goo gas can build an alien in someone's back in about 2 hours (with them just feeling a bit ill). Later we see that it just petrifies the engineers, doesn't mutate them. David makes the aliens by experimenting on shaw's body with the goo and says they are perfect when in reality they are far less of a threat than the black goo is normally. Also the black goo when taking over the planet takes the form of mosquitos yet doesn't just stay in that game winning form.

Also don't forget in prometheus the good can make people in zombies, but then that disappears.

>>86128670
Huh, must've mixed shit up then.
Funny how david says they're the perfect species while other savage species say they are the perfect prey.

>>86124289
The engineer doesn't seed himself with black goo, it's a different substance. The engineers work with nanoparticles and so the goo is just a different tech.

>>86128701
>Later we see that it just petrifies the engineers, doesn't mutate them.
it was just black goo, not black goo spores that infected the guy

>>86128614

It was well established that the xenos have existed for thousands of years in all the franchise media

Scott can't just say that 30 years if franchise media is non canon simply because he didn't make it

>>86128757
Yes but a weapon that just kills everyone gathered below isn't very good. David could have flown to the planet in an apache and dropped white phosphorous over the crowd to the same effect. The power of it is in its infectiveness and unpredictability, creating invincible killing machines. We do know it did do that to the rest of the planet but it should have done it to all the engineers crowded there.

Also how did david go out and collect species from the planet whilst this was all going on. Both the aliens and any remaining engineers would have killed him.

>>86128757
It's black goo taking the form of spores, it works together and finds a way in. Deleted scenes show that it's a mimicry of natural life on the planet.

>>86128820
Well in the first film the space jockey is fossilized and the crash site ancient. So it contradicts his own film. That said apparently david actually found an ovomorph and his work was recreating it, not inventing it - they just didnt put it in the film.

>>86128829

it's established in the other movies and games that the aliens ignore the robots for some reason, so david going around doing who the fuck knows isn't unreasonable.

>>86124272
why didn't he cells all die in the water

If you watch link related in answers some questions. Not sure why this information wasn't in the film.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FvckAPWH7cY

>>86128829
The aliens wouldn't, either they sense that he has no edible parts or david found a way to communicate with them, as seen in Covenant

>>86128719
Perfect adversary more like. On a similar plane as "the most dangerous game"

>>86128940
The queen goes out of its way to kill bishop and we never see ash meet the alien. I cant remember resurrection and in isolation you do see a dead working joe killed by the alien - presumably it killed one and saw it wasnt human.

In covenant alone a neomorph attacks walter.

>>86124030
cum sking why?

>>86128993
Yes but i highly doubt he could communicate with a planet's worth of them running around and some forms far too small to be intelligent.

>>86129066
Why not? He communicated with a baby alien, plus I'm sure the Aliens can communicate with each other and say that david is a bro.

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So basically the goo does whatever the writer needs it to do at any particular moment?

Is the goo God?

>>86129106
I'm assuming that has something to do with how much of a guiding role he had over the alien's development, alongside that alien having a significant brain even at birth compared to say the worms.

It's not the worst plot hole though, compared to most of them david running around in the chaos and capturing animals and engineers is relatively benign.

>>86129188
More like morgoth

>>86129188
Yes when fans have to scramble to justify it. Some ambiguity is amazing in sci fi - a sufficiently advanced species would have tech that would appear incoherent to us and it also helps make them more mysterious and scary. HOWEVER when the pacing of prometheus was all over the place and characters a mess and covenant making no sense canonically with incomprehensibly dumb characters and inconsistent rules (neomorph bulletproof until plot requires it do die) - then it's obvious the ambiguity isn't an intentional plot device and is actually just bad writing.

I justify it by assuming the black goo has different compositions and we're not always seeing the same substance, especially in the prometheus opening.

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>>86128543
This
>spends decades creating autistically creating 'perfect organisms'
>said organism gets btfo by half a dozen jarheads and a tugboat jockey

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would the melanin that black people have protect them from the effects of the black goo?

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>>86124214
>>86124264
This
I hate millennials
The Can't figure out shit in movies.
They must Have everything placed in front of Their eyes to understand something

>>86124030
yeah i can explain it: SHIT WRITING

>>86132240
https://youtu.be/wK8kK4hY6PA
this

>>86124030

Its literally "its magic I dont have to explain shit" inserted into the story. So that they can have a philosophical wank.

>>86124030

Those werent engineers right? They were another created species like humans?

>>86124782
/thread
>>86124030
OP you are a fucking idiot

>>86124030

There is a bunch of shit that is implied but not explained. If you watch Scott interviews there are might be multiple engineer factions. Creators and destroyers. Also there are other species like human who where created and there is shit above engineers that created them. Hes even implied there is no end to the up or down like a turtles all the way down thing. Like the engineers where made by someone who was made by someone and this is just how the universe works, Now humans are creating android life in David. And David is using the black goo (destroyer version) to make the Xenomorphs from Shaw allowing them both to live on in their creation.

There was also an idea in the previous movie about the goo acting differently depending on the act it was used in. Like for the sacrifice it seeded life. When used by less pure more evil creatures (humans) it destroys and mutates making horrible monsters.

And above all none of this seems lock in. Its constantly changing upon the whims of the film makers. So the goo is mostly a plot device that they do what they want with and in the end they will have a ill-defined set of rules about it because of what they did with it.

>>86125897
>space jesus

They are only half into this idea. They like it and sort of go along with it but run away the moment they seem like they would get caught talking about Jesus.

Remember how the beetles got fucked by saying they were bigger than Jesus.

>>86124030
>all goo has the same purpose

The goo is just like a pill. There's obviously different goo for different things

>>86128719

Its the prey that can turn around and become the hunter anon. The prey that is the predator. The hunters are looking to test themselves after all.

>>86124990
>you don't even share identical dna between ethnicities
yes you do

>black goo in prometheus
turns you into a mutant in 24 hours
>black goo in covenant
create a neomorph in your body in a few hours

why

>>86133036
David re-engineered the covenant goo

>>86124289
You sir are an idiot. Just stop

Why does baldy space men hate humans? Humans dindu nuffin.

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>tfw 80 years old and dedicating your remaining years to trolling the shit out of the most autistic, regressive generation ever, the millennials

A God among men.

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>>86134223
We will never know because plebs wanted more retards getting chased by aliens instead

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>>86134464

Not so much "oops" as "I told you so".

Scott was pulling for a Prometheus sequel all along...the studio demanded a direct Alien tie-in.

>>86132463

That's what I thought, or I figured maybe an Engineer colony that had been disconnected from whatever the greater Engineer presence was and devolved to a more primitive stage

Covenant:
2/10 as a Prometheus sequel
8/10 as an Alien prequel

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Why is Prometheon in Bloodborne? Does this confirm they're part of the same franchise?

>>86138362
yes

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I think the black goo is something that's purpose can be re-engineered by chemical experimentation on it. That's why it has multiple purposes.

The Engineers could use it to mutate their DNA, creating the human race as well as creating living weapons like the zombie Shaw's husband turns into.

David must have seen early experimentation the Engineers were doing with the Xenomorphs, and because of his disdain for the Engineers and the human race he saw it as a good opportunity to create an organism perfect fro survival to wipe them out.

He hated humanity, because they squandered his vast potential, making him a slave to their whims and he hated the Engineers because he had high expectations of them, but when met with one it was violent and brutish attempting to kill him.

>>86128992

Fake and gay.

>>86138706
Fake your ass, buddy

>>86138677
You put more thought into that explanation than the film makers did in the movie.

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Will you come take a look at my eggs?

>>86124335
longer than 4 billion years ?

>>86140607
sure why not?, I'm gonna make sure to stuff my face in them too. Thank you Mr. obviously evil and gay android, you are my greatest ally :^)

>>86126379
>The same entire species of people has people/factions of wildly different views

Pretty unrealistic, I agree.

>>86124030
>it chooses random people to turn into monsters for whatever fucking reason. Anyone got an explanation for why it does that?
Concentration. The people in the blast zone are destroyed, the people further away are contaminated, just like a nuclear weapon.

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>>86125735
>At the start of Prometheus, an Engineer is shown to drink a similar-looking liquid
They look nothing alike, the opening of Prometheus has him drinking from a mutating pomegranate and it's full of solid bits of black seeds, the goo is a goo (liquid).

1/2

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>>86125735
>>86141290
2/2 - And here after he drops it if you look closely at the rock you can see a bunch of black seeds fall out of the pot, we don't even know the pot had a liquid in it.

>>86141290
>>86141362
ok. Let's say they're two different substances. What does it matter?

>>86141463
It makes it clear that the black goo is a bioweapon and not a method of planetary seeding, as if we didn't need more proof than the fact that the neomorphs that the bioweapon creates are infertile and required David's intervention to create the Xenos which may well be able to reproduce in a manner we haven't seen yet.

>>86141616
I'll ask again, in terms of the story, what does that matter?

>>86141650
>I'll move the goalposts
You were wrong, deal with it.

>>86141727
I'm not moving the goal posts, I'm asking a simple question. If they're two separate substances, there has to be a reason why, story wise. If there isn't, then what does it matter if it's one substance (as the movie presents it) or a million different ones.

>>86141832
It matters because it explains why they look completely different and the Engineer fell apart on a molecular level after drinking it but Charlie started turning into a monster with worms in his blood.

>>86132936
Has there ever been such a stupid statement in all of /tv/ history?

>>86142035
does that explanation really affect the story though?

And they don't really look all that different. You can also explain why the engineer completely fell apart while charlie took forever to disintegrate (it's debatable if he was turning into a monster or not). The engineer drank a lot of it, Charlie had a drop.

>>86141362
Literally seeding the planet! BRAVO

>>86141832
Two visibly different substances with visibly varying effects. Get it into your head, you were wrong (like I said a million fucking times it's more likely these vastly different substances are actually different substances) but it's fun after 8 hours of sleep to see you still argue about your "convenient" magical goo.

>>86142149
Go back to highschool and actually pay attention this time

>>86142854
the goo doesn't have a consistent look throughout the movie though, as it changes appearance depending on its surroundings. Believe whatever you want, like I said, if it's two or one or twenty different substances, it literally has no impact on the movie.

>>86142854
Thanks for the backup friend-o, I really don't know what's going on but people either just don't get these films at all or are playing dumb for (You)s, either way it's really aggravating because I consider Prometheus and Covenant great-tier examples of "show, don't tell", but people don't seem to want that any more.

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>david speaks of the morphs as "the perfect organism"
>they're insect like creatures that don't have a drive other than killing other things on sight, are ugly as hell, cannot speak, aren't particularly intelligent

One thing I can't work out about these films, I'm fairly convinced that the pseudo-Engineer race in Covenant aren't true Engineers, but if that's so, did David know he was going to another seed world rather than the homeworld as Dr. Shaw asked him to at the end of Prometheus? Or was he perhaps correct and went to the original launching ground of the particular ship they got on, but if so, why did the ship leave from there? The highest tech we saw on that planet were the motion sensitive doors and lamps which were still functioning despite 10 years without maintenance.

>>86143160
You would have said the same thing about the neomorphs before we saw David gaining the trust of one in Covenant, I wonder how a Xeno would react to the real David, as opposed to a video screen of him which it may have mistaken for a human behind glass.

>>86142952
But why make the movie dumber than it is? You say there is no reason to believe it's different goo but why should it be the same? It's idiotic and make believe and if there were hints in the movie that this is the case i would shut up in a second. Excuse me for attributing a minimum level of competence to the writers.

>>86143011
Well thank you for the help, I was the idiot actually starting this ridiculous discussion. i guess they just want the movie to be dumber than it is. Better to shitpost about it I reckon.

>>86124030
the yautja threatened to kill their people if they didn't make more xenomorphs. for yautja hunting xenomorphs is very importnat it's like basis for their society and they breed xenomorphs themselvs to hunt them later. but as it seems they got low on supplies and contacted engineers to make more. but xenomorphs are parasites so engineers needed to make host civilization first(humans) so later they could infest it with goo