Why don’t the machines just use cows or other farm animals

because then it wouldnt be a movie

>>85990866
they did it out of spite and a giant fuck you to humanity.

Our brains operating in the matrix provide more energy than a dumb cow.

>>85990866
Because that level of reality is also a simulation. You didn't understand the movie at all, it seems.

>>85990866
fuck me I live only 10 minutes from there

>>85990906
IM A FAN REALLY

People have done the math and using humans to generate power this way isn't feasible. So, it's just a movie right.

>>85990866
The whole principle is flawed anyway, so chill out anon - Matrix movies are 'just turn off your brain'-tier.

>>85990866
if you masturbate in the matrix do you jizz in real life?

cause if you do, that pod's got to be lik 90% cum

>>85990866
>Those animals won’t resist
That's what the machines thought at first

They where wrong

>>85990866

Or build a wind farm.

>>85990866
Because the cows might become self-aware like Neo and use the Matrix to their advantage

see:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxXjsQbCZR8

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>>85990907
This is the answer I choose to believe
I figure it like they were at the far left of the spectrum to start, physically unable to hate humans by their programming, then went so far right they broke through the scale and are now physically unable to do anything but hate humans with such absolute fucking vitriol that they'd actually pull this kind of shit even if it isn't really that beneficial to them, just because they're giant robot assholes
If the big machine face at the end of Revolutions had revealed that to Neo as their motivation the whole time the movie it would legitimately have retroactively improved the entire series

>>85990907
this if we're going off the second renaissance, there was a war that led to their enslavement.

>>85991108
I refuse to watch anything that supports what you just said, comedic or not

Because it was supposed to be usin humans as processors. But to avoid a lawsuit, they changed it to power sources.

They did it because the wachowski brothers are literal faggots

>tfw the globalists want to make the matrix a reality if it isn't already a reality


we're all doomed

>>85990976
It's not that you can't generate energy using humans, it's that the energy it would take to run the systems and keep the humans alive would be far greater than the amount of energy you could generate via the matrix system.

My understanding is the original script/concept was that the machines used human brains as processing power, this is why the matrix existed, also why Neo existed, etc etc.

Conceptually makes more sense this way.

>>85991213
>brothers

MMMM offensive much?

>>85991244
It's statistically likely that we are in a simulation.

Even if you don't believe in any of the other arguments for being in a simulation. It is a near statistical certainty that we are in one.

>>85991130
wow shocking that a mentally ill 4channer thinks a work of fiction would be improved by making it more sadistic and grim dark

>>85991345
this

there were already too many people confused by the story already. They had to dumb it down.

>>85991130
sounds like they went from right to left

Why is the matrix supposed to be bad? It's comfy and fulfilling compared to living in the caves with no sanitation and under constant threat of death.

>>85991537
>Even if you don't believe in any of the other arguments for being in a simulation. It is a near statistical certainty that we are in one.
pffft no

>>85991537
It's also statistically likely that you're a faggot

>>85991345
This is correct. The Studio Jews forced them to change it to being about energy.

>>85991537
Based on what, faggot?

>>85990919
This. The retardation on this board has reached peak levels. Holy fuck. Retards.

>>85991631
I thought zion looked like a fun time

>>85991631
will to truth is a hell of a drug.

>>85991345

How the hell are super intelligent computers gonna need average people for "processing"? Even my fucking smart phone is way faster at computing than any human that has ever lived and it is the size of a hand.

>>85990866
because the machines want an excuse to keep mankind around

>>85990866
The energy farming was a secondary thing. You aren't going to generate much power from people even with that many. A nuclear plant or two could have generated as much, if not the same amount, power as the human farm did. And they don't really have to worry too much about nuclear fallout and all that should worse come to worse.

The primary thing was putting them in the Matrix, since the machines came to the conclusion it was impossible for them and humanity to live side by side.

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>>85991631
That's what this whole scene is about
tl;dr the matrix being a bad thing is more of a grey area than you'd assume

they probably needed humans for that one part that machines can't simulate like solving retarded captchas

>>85991108
this scene aged like milk

>>85991668
>>85991672
>>85991697

It's the simulation hypothesis.

Ultimately, all we need is that one advanced civilization be interested in creating a simulation.

From here, we have a bunch of premises that all lend credence to this. One of which being that any given "thing" belongs to the average.

So, the fact that humans are interested in simulations means that it's likely that most civilizations are also interested in simulations at some point in their existence. There's no reason to believe that we are unique in this regard.

>desu, I don't want to type it all out. Just read it or watch videos or whatever.

>>85992727
why you type like reddit scum?

Why did this seem like such a kids movie?

>>85992813
How do you know what reddit scum type like?

>>85992899
seen other anons here point that out.

>>85992934
Don't believe everything you read, you gullible little rat.

>>85991537
>It's statistically likely that we are in a simulation.

it's statistically likely that you don't know how statistics work

>>85992727
This is what happens when atheists realize intelligent design is more plausible than the big bang.

>>85991833
>Even my fucking smart phone is way faster at computing than any human that has ever lived and it is the size of a hand.


brainlet confirmed

>>85992934
Those were the redditors.

>>85991833
You can't really compare it like that. While reading this, your brain probably does more work that your smartphone will have done in total before it breaks down, and more efficient by several orders of magnitude too.

>>85992577
i bet you thought that was really funny when you posted it

why was the matrix simulated in real time?
Doesnt make any sense energy wise

>>85993186
It simulates lifetimes until (presumably) 1999+
Then the crops are resown, meaning new timeline inside the matrix

>>85992813

I'm not sure how one can "type like reddit scum".

>>85990866
What shitty writing .
You're right OP

>we create a simulation as lifelike as the matrix for reasons
>the inhabitants of our simulation start making their own simulation, for the same reasons we did
>the inhabitants of the simulation made by the inhabitants of our simulation start making their own simulation
r-relax guys, we're a-all real, we're at the t-top!

>>85990866
They explain it in The Animatrix

The cow Architect tells cow Neo that it became too hard to program the Cow Agents so they had to scrap the cow Matrix and just keep the human one.

The matrix breaks down to three components, Mind, Body, and Spirit.

The machines needed humans because they had spirit. Eventually though, the machines became spiritual creatures in their own right, as demonstrated by the indian girl on the train that neo meets.

they are more advanced than humans and they know its unethical. humans suck but animals should be protected, good job machines

>>85990866
Because the machines are too humanly emotional and did this >>85990907

Otherwise, they'd have completely ignored humanity and blasted off into the rest of the universe and not looked back. More likely theyd have just used up all resources in the solar system then moved on to the next until the Milkyway and Andromeda were all used up.

>>85993339
POO spirit

>>85993327
>for reasons

Upvoted and lolled good sir. We intellectuals need to stick together.

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>>85990866
Human brains were actually used as *processing* power, i.e. computers. Either the machines couldn't create a synthetic alternative, or consciousness is an emergent property that would've appeared in any sufficiently advanced collection of neurons. Whenever a character implies humans are used to generate electricity, this is an in-universe misunderstanding.

>>85991833
Brains are smart, computers are a fast stupid. Your smartphone can calculate the first ten thousand prime numbers inside a second, but this doesn't actually require intelligence, just shitloads of rote division. The pattern-matching algorithms your brain applies to sensory data are absurdly more advanced than anything you'll find running on silicon.

>>85990907
This. Machines were treated like hell from before the actual events in the movie; there was war and they won.

>>85993439
Fuck off.

Maybe because humans have more complex brains that generate more electricity? That's just my guess

>>85992457
Ahaha. Fuck i hate 4chan glitchy capchas.

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>>85991130
Here comes a retarded commie who thinks left=good and right=bad

>>85990866
Originally the robots used human brains as RAM but the studio changed it to energy because they were afraid it would be too complicated for audiences in the ancient year of 1999 to understand.

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>the entire world is fucked up because humans can't stop being retards
>machines still can't not care about them
>put them in pods and take care of them their entire lives

Matrix is the ultimate end of Asimovs three laws

shit, the first matrix was literally Heaven

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>>85993573
>>85992457
>phone posters

>>85991631

Because if humanity hadn't been enslaved there could be a third option that was neither shithole nor slavery.

>>85993327
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_pendulum

You do realise how quickly those universes would contract, right? Real-world interactions are chaotic. You'd need a star-sized supercomputer to simulate a glass of water being sloshed around.

>>85993649
whats your point retard?

>>85990919
hocus pocus your cock is your bum

>>85993722
you can change captcha back to old one

it just werks, no glitching

>redditors actually fell for the simulation meme

It's literally flat earth tier.

>>85991697
The more simulations there are/will be the less likely you are to be in the real world

>>85993765
thats not what my post was even about.
even with the old captchas YOU solve a captcha and a machine can't solve them so it needs ahuman brain to do it.

>>85993786
How do you know there's a bunch of simulations in the first place?
Protip: You don't, and if you believe in the simulation hypothesis you are quite likely mentally ill.

>>85991668
>>85991672
>>85991697
>>85993050
ya best start believin in large-scale simulations... YER IN ONE

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>>85993840
>How do you know there's a bunch of simulations in the first place?
watch
https://youtu.be/7KcPNiworbo

>>85993840
>How do you know there's a bunch of simulations in the first place?
I don't. I didn't claim to.
Maybe we never advance far enough to run them.
Or for some reason people just choose to not run these simulations.
If we do or if "we" did though we're more likely to be in one as long as more than one of 2017 is run.

>>85993578
>implying left to right isn't always the logical starting position if you aren't a sandnigger
It's a meaningless example anyway, it could have been up to down, low to high, 0 to 100, you're the one reading politics into it

>>85993838
>>85993722
Are you autistic or have alzheimers? You can click on the post number that is quoted to go back and track the conversation, reddit visitor.

The original idea was that the machines were using the humans brains as CPUs

>>85994043
no you're the retard here. fucking spastic learn to read

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>>85993979
>that vid
>can't even list all that is wrong in the first 30 seconds because there's literally too much cringe starting out

>>85993979
>>85993983
>simulationfags still ignoring >>85993706

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>all-powerful sky wizard? Heh, no kid, it's actually an all-powerful supercomputer.

Computers were just started to become mainstream during the Matrix. The Studio Jews didn't think people would understand concepts such as CPUs or Processing Powers...etc. So they made the script change to energy because people understood energy.

Basically the original idea was that people were used as supercomputers. Machine & Man created the Matrix which was only way for them to live together without mutual destruction.

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>>85994156
You need a better sense of humor.

>>85994122
Why are you so angry? Anon was helping you out. You shouldn't skip meals when you are over 25, anon. That makes for a cranky babby.

>>85994122
i just jumped into the chain to explain to you what that post was about: it was to show how to choose captcha because someone complained it was glitchy. i guess you're the other guy he quoted that said it was "retarded", so maybe he thought you were complaining about it.

>>85990866
>>85990907
>>85990919
>>85991130

All the animals are dead. There was a massive apocalyptic war. Its like you giys didnt even watch the animatrix.

>>85994142
so explain to us brainlets what was before the big bang.
can't do that?
thought so, retard.

>>85994150
>super advanced ayys can't possibly build that
they can

>>85994264
>Its like you giys didnt even watch the animatrix.
you're right we only watched 2 garbage matrix films we're not going to slog through a 3rd

>>85993706
>You'd need a star-sized supercomputer
so? you DO realize that our current tech is completely irrelevant right?

if we get to that point in a thousnad years or more, it means we could be living in a simulation right now.

>>85994224
wdhmbt?

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>>85994299
>so explain to us brainlets what was before the big bang.
>can't do that?

The universe is an infinite 3D space structured via entropic forces to look much like a larger version of galactic filaments, where some areas are expanding (like ours) and other areas are contracting (like areas near the currently observable universe.)

>>85994299
Why don't you just admit you're a theist and stop with the childish conspiracy theories?

>>85994363
It's literally the only good thing to come of the entire series though
Your loss nigger

>>85994425
100% sure proofs? oh right there are none.

what is actually proven is that matter needs an observer and KNOWS when it is observed.

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>>85991881
>A nuclear plant or two could have generated as much, if not the same amount
>could have generated as much, if not the same amount
>as much, if not the same

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would you a robot?

>>85994628
or even, less!

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>>85994549
This is the point where I have to use ad hominems simply because this is going to be like talking to a wall. Everything you say is wrong. There wasn't even a big bang. That's really outdated science now.

>>85994299
>>85994374
The fundamental point, which I apparently need to spoonfeed to you, is that a system can't model a bigger system, or even itself. Each universe would have to be smaller than the preceding universe. This isn't something you can fix with technological advancement.

>>85993649
Its easier to view threads from your mobile device

>>85994549
>what is actually proven is that matter needs an observer and KNOWS when it is observed

nah lol

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>>85994638
>You already are

>>85994363
Theres only one matrix film, what ate you talking about? Anyway the animatrix is a hidden gem and anybody who doesnt watch it is doing themselves a huge disservice. I would even call it a masterpeice of modern animation

>>85994747
either smaller, slower, or lower resolution

>>85994549
No it doesn't. 'Observed' in quantum physics means another particle (usually a force mediator) is interacting with said particle. Not that a conscious being is looking at it.

>>85994809
Yes, and every single universe would be smaller and slower and lower-resolution than the preceding universe until you have a universe comprised of a single bit.

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>>85994698
>has literally zero proofs
>"all stuff jus expanded out of nuthin"

>>85994747
>I know the size of the universe that is simulating this one
lmao sure you do tard

>>85994760
>what is the double slit experiment
0wned ya

>>85994747
so you're saying a universe of unknown size, possible greater than ours, couldn't possibly simulate our universe.

you're retarded.

>>85994869
>measuring in bits
i thought we were done with those

>>85994894
>what is the double slit experiment

something you dont understand because all of your knowledge of science is from youtube videos and reddit, and you're 17 years old

>>85995137
>observing particles makes them change bahavior

what is there not to understand tard?

>>85990906
this.

>>85990866
>>85990907
>>85991009
>>85991130

Purpose. Their purpose was to serve man. This way they're both serving men and with a viable excuse of why they're alive. It's kind of like a catch 22 of their own making.

>>85993068
Intelligent design is the only right answer. Isn't it ironic atheist believe Nothing made us and yet to study the sciences of life and the universe requires several degrees and a highfullooton intellect?

that fact that you people are discussing this for the millionth time, with the same results, is enough for me to believe that i'm living in a simulation.

>>85995608
One that was made.

i think they just really liked human dick and neo had the biggest penis ever
even pods are lined up like phallic symbols launching in to unkown, not knowing if they find a suitable partner

>>85995608
Imagine a simulation much like the nano machines observed in Man of Steel. We're composed of that stuff that originated from a controller unit controlled by Someone.

>>85992577
>>85993158
nailed it!

>>85995584
>to study the sciences of life and the universe after billions of years of entropy and evolution requires several degrees and a highfullooton intellect?
wow yeah very ironic

>>85994986
Doesn't even need to simulate our entire universe.
Just the planet.
And not down to the smallest parts, at least not at first.

>>85995224
the light that measures the particles affect the particles, not you observing them

>>85990866
Because if they did... there wouldn't be a movie, and people wouldn't pay to go to cinema

>>85993896
kek

>>85995895
Are you claiming that random bumping of States made life? Oh. Tell me, where's your testable observable recreate able proof of the big bang? Or your proof of an amino acid self create then form DNA and then life unto life evolving from then to now, And that's as it happened proof from muck to man, one creature evolving into its successor species and that's skeletal and genetic evidence of each creature over a billion years. Provide the proof otherwise the big bang, abigenesis and allele frequency evolution remains a never to be proven hypothesis. And don't you dare post links to conjecture. This is a Court of Law, Hard forensic facts only, No conjecture, make believe, hearsay.

>>85990866
Borrowing the brain power for computation, as was done in that one Trek episode, would be much better technobabble.

>>85995224
you dont know what observation means, thats what

>>85990866
Because the cows need to believe they are humans used as batteries by the machine. The real world was just another layer.

>>85995895
Where's your observable testable proof of a singularity self creating from nowhere arriving in the nothingness that was only to expand trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions of times faster than a fraction of a second.

>>85990866
The Mootrix

>>85995895
>evolution is the same as spontaneous generation

Back to r/atheism

>>85993456

>Whenever a character implies humans are used to generate electricity, this is an in-universe misunderstanding.

It's not a misunderstanding, it's just executive meddling which forced the Wachowski's to dumb down the explanation.

>>85993979

Thanks bro!

>>85990866
because the original plot was using humans as processors for the machine hivemind but the studio thought it was too complicated and they became batteries

>>85996143
its weirder than that
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renninger_negative-result_experiment

>>85991345

this makes more sense, the human energy meme is like is a perpetual motion machine, its not possible, it will always be a loss to feed them

but if the machine AI still lack some abilities that human brains have they would totally harness it to their advantage

production wise I know they cut the idea to dumbed it down, but in canon I think the battery thing is a ruse the machines set forward so Zion don't really how truely bad they machines NEED the matrix

>>85996852
This would explain why everyone wears leather

Why are Ameribibles so fucking weird