what was his fucking problem? how could he let his insecurities

>>85936213
that is the exact opposite of what happened, did you even watch it

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Shinji is cute! Cute!

>>85936213
He was too much of a pussy to fuck Asuka.

>>85936213
Is that a real guy or a cartoon? I think it's a cartoon but it almost looks like a real guy.

>>85936213
He literally saved mankind instead of taking the easy way out.

>>85936431
Say what, nigga?

>>85936213
It was the jews that doomed mankind. Shinji was just caught in the middle.
I repeat, the jews.

>>85936517
I guess it's obviously a cartoon. Fuck. I've made yet another stupid post.

>I didn't watch the show

>>85936807
When was the last time you saw another human being?

>>85937028
Listen, I don't want to talk about this any more.

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I think we all know why.
Pic related.

>>85936213
>>>/a/
>>>/v/

>>85937306
to be fair to the plot, piloting the mecha isn't "piloting" it's merging with a LAWL machine spirit.

The shield that protects EVAs are literally the pilot's own sense of individuality.

Putting something that personal out there is pretty traumatic.

>>85936313
sorry, english is not my first language. i meant to say that he thought about doing so, just because he couldn't bear the thought of some people disliking him?

>>85936434
There are 4 separate "canons", all of them being real and a part of the multiverse of suffering that is Eva. In ALL of them Shinji has fucked over mankind, outdoing himself in how spectacularly he can kill everyone in each outing. Its something about humanity suffering across all realities for Ikari's trespassing into God-Science. Even we the viewers suffer, its pottery.

>>85937306
what would you do if you where evenalgion?

>>85937554
On one level, Evangelion is about overcoming personal insecurity to persevere in do-or-die situations where all responsibility for success lies on one individual, a child in fact. If he weren't stressed by these circumstances to the point of perhaps preferring death, it would be both unrealistic and less dramatic.

On another level, Shinji's emotional makeup is partly due to his social environment. His social status is extremely low. His mother is dead. His father is wholly absorbed by his work, and only sees the boy as a means to an end. Shinji has no confidant, his anomie hampers normal relationships and he is later literally isolated from his peers. He more or less correctly feels unloved and unvalued except for his ability to pilot an EVA, a task that would be taxing for an emotionally healthy adult. Nevertheless he is expected to conform to the highest expectaions imagineable, recieving little in the way of acknowledgement in return.

TL;DR if Japanese society doesn't chill the fuck out a little so that their people have time and energy for healthy emotional lives, they're all going to be in a world of shit.

On one level, Evangelion almost seems real. You look at cartoon guys and think: that could be real; is it real?

it's hard to be a person and have responsibilities
that's literally what the show is about

>>85936391
he did tho, asuka was pregnant or something

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I distinctly seem to remember the actions of an underground cabal of elites manufacturing WW3, ensuing control of the world post-war and then dabbling in dark forgotten magics to end the world being the actual cause of mankinds destruction.

Funny how people forget that part.

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>>85937306
Its so sad, but its true, fucking hell

>>85940280
nah it was a japanese kid that just wanted to stick his dick in a qt3.16 crazy redhead but struggled with being japanese

>>85940383
said redhead is a worthless whore anyway

getting to join with the bluehaired goddess spiritually and sensually was Shinji's best moment in life.

>>85937132
Its ok anon everything is going to be alright.

>>85940595
>cartoons posting at me pretending to be real people
I know the difference

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Does Asuka has the most satisfactory conclusion/ending of all the characters? she's finally ok with their mother after all the pain she felt.

>>85937306
>Dude I read a synopsis of the show and now know it inside and out!

Fuck the Escapist. They are consistently shit.

>>85940789
No, Asuka has no conclusion at all. She's a plot device, and what you refer to is 100% melodrama with zero character and isn't even her ending/conclusion, that's seen in the final scene. Basically, Asuka is a meme character.

Shinji has by far the most satisfying conclusion and ending, being the centerpieces who achieves understanding and piece. Alongside with Rei, who also does the same but over more episodes and in the final conclusion, defeating Gendo and achieving her lost Godhood.

Gendo also gets a mention here since he gets his comeuppance.

All Shinji wanted from life to be left alone. He chose to pilot to EVA because the people he cared for would get hurt. That was also the reason he rejected Human Instrumentality.

The story was never NGE's strongest points. It was the emotion behind the show. It's the closest the grasp the idea of being depressed

>Isolation
>Loneliness
>Escapism
>Abandonment issues

>>85941205
People around the world obsessing with the story beg to differ.

The story is excellent and believable enough to captivate and convince.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGMuaXIlckU

>>85940941
Her conclusion is slightly less metaphorical than Shinji's, but she solves her attachment issues by realising that her mother is with her in her mind, no matter what she does. Her mother was there in spirit all along, and it's by realising that when someone dies you still have all the good memories and experiences with them left behind. She realises she doesn't need the attention of others, she can be isolated AND have the attention she deserves. She solves her hedgehog's dilemma.

The only difference is her mother's souls is LITERALLY inside EVA-02

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>>85937306
>giant robot

>>85941205
Shinji piloted the EVA because he wanted other people to like him, and they praised him when he piloted it. He literally says this multiple times at various breakdowns.

His issue is that he also doesn't like being the centre of attention because it makes others hate him, and he hates himself, so he feels like he doesn't deserve the attention he craves. It's a paradox that's at the core of his character.

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>>85941274
>NGE
>believable

>>85936213
You're just an idiot.

Shinji is one of the most beautiful, and truthful characters there is in anime.
If he was a real boy i'd fall in love so fucking hard.
People who doesn't understand his character are either very emotional underdeveloped (just as Shinji himself) or just watch anime for le epic fight scenes and shouldn't be watching Evangelion in the first place.
Just because he's not a badass and he's sensible doesn't make him a bad character.

>>85936349
This. Shinji eternally best girl.

>>>/a/

>>85941386
This.

>>85941543
>NGE
>Not believable

>One World Government disguising itself as (((Democracy)))
>People too busy being drunk or wageslaves to realize the world they are living in.
>After a major disaster where billions of people died, people are still continuing their lives
>They show how complex the military and Evangelions work

>>85937306
Literally everyone in the show is emotionally and psychologically damaged in some way. Obviously they're not going to act like normal people. And that was even before all the shit started happening, and it made it even worse. Plus the main characters are 14 so add hormones on top of that.

>>85936431
Are you fucking high?

>>85941543
The characters' traumas are very realistically portrayed. Anno hated kawaii archetypical characters that plagued and still plague anime, so he made the characters respond like real kids would, not your typical shonen hero from Naruto or whatever.

You tell a wimpy 14 year old american kid with deep-seated separation anxiety that they have to pick up this gun and go fight a bear or the world will literally end, and then tell them they have to do it 17 more times and it's not surprising that the pressure cracks them.

>>85941386
>>85941666
No. Asuka herself solves nothing, and the presence or absence of her mother does not and will not solve her issues alone, given that she's guilty of multiple failures as a human being. The hedgehogs dillemma isn't solvable as such, but is a constant issue related to relating to OTHER people, it's the issue of comfortable distance. Don't use terms you don't understand.

Asuka doesn't have a substantial conclusion, that is, "being told something" is an event external to a character. and not internal. Without detailing Asuka's character, concluding it if you will, all you have is an unfinished character. Contrasted with Shinji or Rei, the only two characters with an actual strong conclusion in the series, Asuka comes up short. Asuka's ending is essentially a black hole where overzealous fanboys insert way too much of their own fantasies, and while that may be the intention, it means that there is no conclusion, save for that it ends of course. Putting it simple, it's melodrama.

>>85940941
How is that melodrama in any way?

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>>85941758
>Literally everyone in the show is emotionally and psychologically damaged in some way.

Shigeru Aoba was the sanest character of the bunch.

>Never loved anyone

100% sane and /ourguy/

>>85941965
How is it not? It's a singular character, talking to itself, receiving "illumination" from a plot device, with no dialogue or reasoning whatsoever.

Cut the music, and what you're left with is something of so poor quality it could only be found in fan fiction. The drama is paper thin and builds completely and wholly on a single thing, musical direction, the forte of the director and writer the project is associated with. Think of what it actually is:

>my favorite character is by circumstance protected from harm, and out of nothing, is given reprieve and what she lacks in life

This is a device to increase the shock when reality strikes, and she's ripped to pieces. Asuka represents failure in Evangelion for more than one reason, her fantasy and non-accomplishments are rewarded with death, just like in NGE. It's thematically fitting, because no conclusion is precisely what her character gets.

>>85941921
She rejected death and fought with the strength of resolving spiritually her abandonment from his mentally ill mother.
She realizes it's not her fault and values herself as a individual more than a prodigy or a good pilot.
Her demise is incredibly tragic because even she's at last at peace with his mother, she's finally full and emotionally mature at hmthat instant, just to be killed in minutes.

I may agree that it's a little melodramatic, but melodrama is not bad itself, i hate people keep carring that idea, you can give your characters emotionally over the top elements and they still can be true (Mad Men, Gone Girl, etc).

>>85942277
Asuka is driven so far into the depths of her despair, and is forced to confront painful memories she had suppressed. The act is cathartic, and allows her to resolve her issues.

It's a little quick, sure, but it's hardly out of nowhere. She finds a better solution than repressing her memories. Effectively she embraces her mother for who she was, rather than how she was when she died.

>>85942277
I think I understand what you're saying but it's not like it came completely out of nowhere since it was established beforehand that both Angels and Evas have souls. So where did these souls come from? 01 seems to be Yui's soul and 02 is Asuka's mom's soul. So she realizes that this is the case and it raises her morale, allowing her to not only sync with the Eva but to a higher degree than she was able to do before.

The ending is what I'm wondering about though since it seems to show that even through all this stuff (the instrumentality, which I imagine for at least a short time she and Shinji would have been connected through this, plus if you take the series ending as canon she goes through something similar to Shinji) her thoughts about Shinji haven't really changed, though there's little context for her last words to take them with.

>>85940789
God, I love that scene.

>>85942617
>>85942692
You seem to be missing the point. It's _only_ melodramatic. When you say she "rejected death" and so on, that amounts to no change even if it were true. She's transported by others into that EVA and takes no action of her own until her mother interferes, which then aids her for a moment - before she dies and pays the price.

You also miss the point of Asuka's character, as "it", meaning her problems, actually was her fault. This is why she succumbs and even a "god sent" intervention cannot save her in the end. It's very clear.

When you say "Asuka does this, and Asuka does that", you have to realize, there's not a single scene in EoE you can show to where she does this. You're inserting too much fan fiction rather than interpreting and understanding what happened. Classic mistake nerds make.

Asuka was never at any one point mature, a good person or at all sane, her conclusion in the original ending is actually being confronted with that. Being given some "candy" in the form of mommy praising her doesn't change that at all, rather it makes it worse.

>>85942750
It did come out of nowhere, as her mother had numeorus chances of interfering earlier and didn't. It's not the problem, it's the fact that her mother interfering and essentially loading Asuka's head with information is not character development, it's a device.

Asuka being "placated" won't solve her problems, only maturing will, and this is why her reward is death, while Shinji and Rei's is redemption and liberation.

>>85936213
>tfw in the second iteration (rebuild) he's actually grown as a character and is even heroic of his own accord at times because of regret over destroying the world twice now
All the Rebuild haters need to kindly fuck off. This is how you create character arcs.

>>85942878
I'm interpreting her mother's intervention as Asuka's own thought processes. I suppose it's up for debate whether or not it was a spiritual intervention or an imagined mental one.

>>85942926
You're insane and delusional. The Rebuild series has since it's third installment become a testament to everything that's wrong with man and womenchildren.

>>85942926
Wait wait wait, hold the fuck up. Are you saying Rebuild is a sequel to Evangelion? I hadn't got round to watching it because i thought it was just a remake. Might have to expedite watching it.

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>>85936213
This entire movie doesn't make sense, what the hell is it even about? I remember seeing it on toonami but I could barely remember anything.

>>85942995
All signs point to yes, it's a sequel. Lots of shit doesn't make sense if it was stand-alone. We MIGHT find out for sure if :|| ever comes out.

>>85942942
It's not up for debate, Asuka's mother is in the EVA, and personally reached out to Asuka from within the EVA.

Your interpretation is, without any doubt, wrong.

>>85942926
>>85942995

Sequel or not, the Rebuilds have glaring problems with it's characterization that only worsens when seen as a sequel to the original. Alone or in company, it's a failure as a story. It's otaku entertainment, and particularly disappointing since some of the original creators are involved.

>>85942926
What was the second time he destroyed the world? There was the third impact in EoE but what was the other one? I haven't watched Rebuild but is it really possible to interpret is as following EoE?

>>85943035
I imagine it was heavily censored on Toonami. Basically 2 parties are trying to start the third impact at the same time but neither win and instead Rei betrays Gendo and initiates it herself, and then she gives control of it over to Shinji. Shinji initially says that instrumentality should proceed but after it actually happens he realizes that it doesn't really solve anything so he reverses it.

>>85938256
>There are 4 separate "canons", all of them being real and a part of the multiverse of suffering that is Eva. In ALL of them Shinji has fucked over mankind, outdoing himself in how spectacularly he can kill everyone in each outing

And those are?
In NGE show, Earth gets destroyed and humanity by Gendo working with Seele, Ritsuko and Misato are the main accomplishes
Same in EoE

In rebuilds Earth and humanity get destroyed by Gendo again working with Ritsuko and Misato, this time Seele got fucked over before they cold make a move
This time main blame should be placed on Misato who being closest to Shinji did not tell him of the nature of Evas.

And ... those are the only timelines we saw so far. In none Shinji was in any way responsible for whats was going on, or had any clue as to whats going on.

>>85942995
It is one of the prevailing theories and if the final film is EoE levels of brilliant, then I can forgive the massive changes that 3.00 brought because it would've been for a purpose.

>>85943134
>>85942926
see >>85940280

>>85943157
>>85942995
It's not really a prevailing theory, and claiming as such means you don't understand the point of sequel baiting at all.

The point is quite simply to create enough possibilities for fans to rave about what is essentially, a work with no substance. Rebuild is 99.9% speculation and fan masturbation, particularly after You can (not) Redo aired which killed any substance the series had.

>>85943134
Near-Third Impact at the end of 2.22.

There's already blood on the moon and the seas are already red (which occured in EoE) at the start of 1.11. Along with numerous other dialogues and smaller nuances that imply that Rebuild is not a reinterpretation, but the world literally rebuilt by Shinji after EoE.

why is it that an anime thread gets so much more actual discussion than any normal show would in this shithole?

>>85937306
>the creator of this actually thought he was right
jesus. imagine being this unknowingly cringe

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>>85943134
>>85943254
Wait what? There's more than one ending? Sauce me up

>>85942878
How is the way Rei "defeated" Gendo, and Shinji achieving understanding and peace any different than Asuka realizing her mother (the source of her shortcomings as a person) was watching and protecting her? They're meaningful conclusions each handled in a different way, and each relating to their inhibitors as humans.

Asuka being protected from harm "out of nothing" is no different than Rei's spontaneous decision to not assist Gendo in achieving instrumentality, but Shinji instead. Any "plot device" you can come up with for Asuka has strict and apparent parallels for any other character that receives any sort of character development, ie, Shinji's realization of the nature of human interaction in instrumentality. You're coming up with reasons as to why Asuka's development is less meaningful and more "melodramatic" than Rei and Shinji's without realizing the very characters you cite as having "satisfying" conclusions are more or less the same in terms of storytelling.

I think a lot of neglected kids would, if they had the decision resting on their shoulders, just let the whole world burn.

>Discussing Rebuilds
>Ever

>>85943436
>Rei's spontaneous decision to not assist Gendo in achieving instrumentality
I've actually read some stuff about this. In the show Rei (which is actually the second incarnation of Rei) basically loves Gendo and will do whatever he wants. But she dies in one of the fights and so is reincarnated again, being the third Rei, and it shows her at one point trying to (and I think actually succeeding) break Gendo's glasses which shows that she doesn't share the feelings for Gendo like Rei 2 had. So instead of helping Gendo she helps Shinji and gives control of the third impact to him.

>>85943421
There's End of Evangelion, and then there's the rebuild series, which is a series of movies that are either a reboot or a continuation from after End of Evangelion. There's also the ending to the TV series if you take that as a separate thing rather than taking place at the same time as EoE.

>>85938256
thats not how a 'canon' works /a/utist.

72 / 10 / 39 / 3
>Eva is the best stuff weeb can offer to the world

>>85943243
Insofar as what material we have now (the 3 Rebuild films), yes it is all speculation and sequel-baiting.

However, one does not read the first two Lord of the Rings books, stop at the final and then complain at the lack of story consistency and closure. Granted this is a somewhat poor analogy as each LotR book can stand on its own compared to the Rebuild films and even the necessary dichotomy between the original series and EoE.

Again, I have confidence (or maybe it's just wishful thinking, Anno could just troll us all) that :|| will bring the Rebuild series full circle and closure to the Evangelion franchise as a whole.

>How is the way Rei "defeated" Gendo, and Shinji achieving understanding and peace any different than Asuka realizing her mother (the source of her shortcomings as a person) was watching and protecting her?

Because they were effected through the character's own actions and thought processes. There is an actual change and choice to act here that isn't affected by magic fairy inside a robot.

That is, Rei's decision was not spontaneous because since the start, the series had been building distrust between her and Gendo, she goes from a loyal daughter figure to a skeptical and disillusioned cult follower who realizes the leader has been deceiving her.

For Shinji, he has steadily been improving and deteriorating over the course of the series, and it is the confrontation and discourse he has with Rei in EoTV and EoE that makes him understand and finally choose, based on the experiences he's had with the others in the past, he wants to see them again.

Their character development spans the entire series towards this climax, but for Asuka, the only climax is her own death, the previous awakening not being related to her character at all. There are no scenes detailing Asuka's "development", at best there's 20% of a "before/after" image.

>>85939811
Good explanation

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