>The swift and sustained backlash surrounding HBO's Confederate,

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>>85602180
>black activists and other thought leaders

>>85602180
>america's original sin
Documented genocide doesn't count?

>>85602180
i'm pretty sure the Americans' original sin is killing millions of natives Amerinidians

ALTERNATE HISTORY DABID

>>85602397
there's only black and white ok

>>85602427
Europoors killed them.

>>85602427
Most of em got killed by invisible STDs and shit cause their immune systems were weak you can't really control that. The rest died in honorable combat.

Imagine all the mustache twirling the slave owners are going to do just to make sure they don't call this show racist. There is no way they can write a nuanced or sympathetic portrayal of them now. The southern people are all going to act like Joffrey

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>>85602180
>thought leaders

>>85602180
Yeah i can't wait to watch them make a show where they constantly shit on the south and white men. Let me guess. The main character is a nigger who fucks the slaveowners wife/daughter/mother/sister

>>85602427
Shouldn't have tried killing us all then lol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Philip%27s_War

>>85602180
>social media backlash

Stop pandering to these people, they're only on social media to complain about things. Even if you tailor something specifically to them, they'll still pore over it to seek out things to complain about.

>>85602180
>jews try to create show to further rile up animosity towards whites
>gets biggest pushback from their pet niggers
lel

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>>85603115
>>85603161
Imagine how this will still be inadequate because DABID's problem isn't their writing, it's the fact they're not black.

>>85602427
Not even close, the "millions" that died were over the course of a century or two and all due to diseases the Europeans brought to a population that hadn't had access to other human beings for something like ten thousand years.

>>85603115
Yeah that's exactly what the world needs, sympathetic slave owners. Old white men who enslaved and beat black people for fun are completely relatable right?

>>85603310
Their minions think they're (((white))) so it doesn't matter. Only Farrakhan knows the difference

>>85603395
Slavery was the best thing to ever happen to niggers.

>>85602397
>>85602427
>muh indians

Fuck you redskin shits

If the Civil War was about abolishing slavery then why not let the South leave after they agreed to abolish it at the end of the war?

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>thought leaders

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>>85603363
>masterminds David Benioff and D.B. Weiss

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>>85603161
>>85603310
>>85603363
>>85603404
>>85603115
>>85603428

>>85603456
Hey, >>85603363 here, care to tell me why my post was a shitpost?

I don't remember SJW's freaking out like this over The Man in the High Castle

>>85602180
It's just such a retarded idea through and through.

>>85602180
>trying this hard to compete with "the man in the high castle"

Oh irrelevant HBO......

>>85603498
The Man in the High Castle wasn't about "the black experience"

Same reason why Marvel was 100% dedicated to finding a black director for Black Panther even when they had to fire multiple directors in a row

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>>85603161
>fucks the slaveowners wife/daughter/mother/sister

>>85602180
>though leaders

Fancy word for "thought police"

>Confederacy still exists in 2017
>it still has slaves
That shit would have been banned by the year 1900 just by the fact that you didn't need countless hands to pick cotton anymore.

>>85603395
I'm just trying to say portraying slave owners as pure evil would be stupid. They are still people, with families etc. And because of the backlash they are already getting they may be forced to make them entirely one dimensional characters.

>>85602180
America's original sin was a black colonist named Anthony Johnson bringing over his slaves from Africa, then suing to make them legal.

BUT we can't inject any facts to matter, like the fact that slavery was already going away in the 1869s thanks to the industrial revolution bringing new machine inventions almost daily that did the work of 100 slaves for less money, and Lincoln himself he'd keep slavery if it kept the union together with his only real goal of refusing peaceful secession being one of owning the rich agriculture of the south.


>>85602362
"Activist" = complainer who's such a professional complainer that he gets a tax credit for it.

And they're ALL blaming "white people" for this even though the two are both firm Jews and not white.

>>85603526
The CSA is also a much less interesting topic than Nazis and Japs.
Silly HBO

>>85603587
They don't even know what they're blaming "white people" for. The entire equation they have right now is "It's a show about slavery and it's not directed by Spike Lee and produced by Jay-Z's studio *autistic screeching*"

In fact it's literally outrage over the inadequate skin color of the directors

>>85603550
Think that through senpai. There are an estimated 30 million slaves in the world currently, obviously they wouldn't be picking cotton but working in industry jobs for no pay, being house slaves, etc.

>>85602427
>millions

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>Spike Lee tried this


It failed

>>85603550
Technology and the movement of industry would have put slaves out of work by default, yeah. You don't need to do much thinking to see how it's a stupid premise for an alternate history.

>>85603584
> muh racist white families are peepul too
Racism should not be tolerated or depicted positively at all. You should be less concerned with accurate portrayals of horrible people.

>>85603642
Spike Lee's version involved the South conquering the North and then forcing the North to also institute slavery again for some reason

>>85602180
>thought leaders

that phrase scares me more than it should

>>85603642
>It failed
I'm pretty sure the people screening this movie loved it for the first half but then a loud bellow of "SHUT IT DOWN" rang out when the timeline reached World War 2 and the narrator said "While the CSA agreed with many of Germany's theories of racial hierarchy, they refused to ally with them due to the key role Jewish Americans played in the founding of the Confederacy"

>>85602180
So this is yet another show where Jews use Black people as a cudgel to browbeat Southerners with. This is the thanks Southerners get for pulling their ungrateful asses out of Hitler's ovens.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess they won't be giving any attention to the huge role Jews played in the slave trade and how many slave ships were owned by Jews.

>>85603550
slaves would just being doing other jobs

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>>85603726
Oops forgot pic

>>85603660
Go be a nigger elsewhere

>>85602427
more like 30.000~ intentionally killed in massacres and such. injuns were enslaved too though.

>>85603660
I'm not saying they should be shown in anything like a positive light. Just don't make the characters cartoon villains. I want to understand their motivations instead of just seeing white guys torture black people because the southerners are inherently evil

>>85602397
>use european settles to kill all your rivals
>survivors blame it solely on them afterwards

powerful, and really made me think

>>85603642
>alternate timeline movie
>somehow all of the same presidents get elected

Spike didnt think this through

>>85603760
Pay your reparations whitey. I'm starting with your women.

>>85602397
Americans are innocent! What are you, an History apologist?!

>>85603633
And more or less every single one of them are slaves in a illegal fashion. It would make sense to have a confederacy where black people are shown as inferior and have restricted freedom, more due to social issues rather than legal issues if anything, but they are going full on legal slavery mode right out of the early 1800s and that makes no sense.

>>85603660
>Americans has a slaver on their 1 dollar bill and speak of him like he's a godly saint
Always makes me kek.

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>>85603777
I started to doubt him when he first got on social media and revealed that He Capitalizes The First Letter Of Every Single Word He Writes.

I mean for fuck's sake it's got to take an order of magnitude *more* effort to type like that, what is he doing?

>>85603831
Washington was an incompetent general that was pretty much lucky he got anywhere at all.

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Two jews are making an alternate history tv series where evil white christians won the civil war and are keeping slavery legal...

The jewish tricks never end

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>black people still whining about MUH SLAVES
Honest to god question, if blacks were never made slaves in the U.S. how different would things be?

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>>85603660
Go back to Africa.

I haven't seen any evidence yet that black people can actually participate in a political process as we know it.

I mean, 20 years of black freedom gets you South Africa and 200 years of black freedom gets you Haiti, how long is their "learning curve" supposed to be?

>>85603772
Hollywood depicts minorities constantly as cartoon characters, there's another thread right now about Indian Americans being portrayed as nothing but amicable convenience store owners. Black people have been portrayed as the butt of jokes, thugs and coons for you whiteys entertainment. God forbid they give us a slave owner who I can project my hatred onto like you white people have been doing to every other race.

>>85603914
Yeah you're definitely white. Post timestamped pic of your hand in front of a screen showing this thread.

>>85603809
muh fuggen bix nood

>>85603889
The U.S. would be a paradise right now and the Blacks who never came here would be getting carved up by African warlords who want to use their organs to make magic potions.

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Only white people owned slaves.

Only the United States owned slaves.

The majority of white people owned slaves during the time of slavery.

These are things some people believe.

>>85603889
USA would be an unstoppable super power with the highest quality of life, lowest taxes, highest level of safety for citizens, and in general would be paradise compared to the shithole we will in now thanks to niggers soaking up welfare money, dealing drugs, creating massive amounts of violence everywhere they go, and in general being subhuman trash incapable of behaving in modern society.

>>85603768
Indians had their own black slaves

>>85602397
>>85602427
You are both wrong. The original sin of America is whiteness. Now, please proceed to the cuck chamber so this problem can eventually be corrected.

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>keep our slaves in-country and be explicit about what we're doing instead of shipping our slave labor overseas to asia
>cruel and racist

>>85603875
>fairly shitty military leader
>a massive drunk
>pretty corrupt
>shameless slaver

>but he led some peasants that couldn't do shit until the French did all their work, let's put him on our 1 dollar bill guys!

>>85603936
White guy giving me orders? So you've learned nothing.

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>>85603889

>rich Whites just used poor Whites to pick their cotton
>blacks were never shipped to the US

>>85604031
That's not damage control, take your bait back to /pol/

>>85602180
Actually sounds like a good show desu

>>85604031
>>85603914
Stop LARPing you massive faggot

>>85603909
Anyone have that picture of the Zimbabwe or whatever president banning white farmers and regretting it hard?

>>85603981
Lol even the mascarene islands were getting in on the action

Let's get this started
>Africa

>>85603981
This map is BS. Arabs have enslaved blacks since before muhammeds time

>>85603161
>Slave fucking the owners and vice versa
Thats historically accurate though. A lot of slave owners were degenerates who fucked their female slaves, and then the male slaves would sometimes be taken advantage of by curious teenage daughters or vengeful wives who were upset at their husbands cheating on them. They would then lynch the male slaves for "raping" the females if they were caught (even though its obvious some guy in chains in the field isnt going to be able to just waltz into the manor and fuck the missus unless someone uncaged him first -- people just didnt want to confront that reality).

>>85604237
It only counts the years 1500-1900.
And it's not like it's always easy to find stats from historical times of every single slave that was traded.

Confederation was one of the most evilest regimes in human history, on par with nazis desu

>>85604242
You are projecting your fantasies onto reality. There was very little sexual contact between black men and white women during this period, and most of the contact between white men and black women was from poor whites who would sneak onto the plantation and trade things to the slave women they couldn't normally get. This is well documented and there are lots of books rotting away in university libraries that are filled with page after page of black guys bitching about the po' white trash trading fish for sex. There is even a specific species of fish, called a Gasper Goo, that was nicknamed "the tradin' fish" because it was used almost exclusively for this purpose.

Lots of plantation owners were degenerates, because they were directly descended from the most degenerate caste of English peerage whom they sought to emulate, but they preyed on white women more than black women, using their high status in their communities to get away with it.

>>85603889
In all honesty, we wouldnt have become the economic powerhouse we are today and there would have been an earlier class war between poor whites and rich whites due to the labor conditions when picking cotton, collecting tobacco, handling sugar in the Carribean, etc. It was intense labor, the plantation owners wouldnt want to pay properly, and white skin isn't properly cut out for that kind of day labor and the people would have been dying of skin cancer. These poor workers who werent slaves in name and not raised in slavery since birth like the later generation of slaves would have stood up for themselves and this country would have just been a warzone until someone instituted something like a monarchy and effectively had the poor workers become like peasant slaves.

Anyone thinking that it would have been sunshine and rainbows as rich whites and jews happily handed over money to poor whites to do endless field work in a hot sun is an idiot. Theres a reason they wanted to keep their slaves so damn bad, and theres a reason they went through all the trouble of establishing the Transatlantic trade. If dealing with poor whites doing labor in the south was a remotely logical option, it would have been the option used from the get go.

>>85602427
Ummm no that's Europeans fault not Americas. By the time of the revolution all that plague shit was over and the surviving natives were stronger

>>85604530
>typing out a logical response on this Appalachian snake dancing forum

>>85604358
Sad thing is that some people actually believe this

modern USA is far more evil than the CSA

>>85604530
>>85604403
what are you some kind of a slavery history expert or something

>>85604403
>projecting fantasies
I'm not seeing any search results for Gasper Goo or Fish sex trades during Slavery.
Meanwhile
>http://www.inquiriesjournal.com/articles/747/sexual-relations-between-elite-white-women-and-enslaved-men-in-the-antebellum-south-a-socio-historical-analysis

In Incidents in the Life of a Slave Girl (1867), Jacobs mentions how planters’ daughters would take advantage of male slaves.

>"They know that the women slaves are subject to their father's authority in all things; and in some cases they exercise the same authority over the men slaves. I have myself seen the master of such a household whose head was bowed down in shame; for it was known in the neighborhood that his daughter had selected one of the meanest slaves on his plantation to be the father of his first grandchild. She did not make her advances to her equals, nor even to her father's more intelligent servants. She selected the most brutalized, over whom her authority could be exercised with less fear of exposure."

>>85603395
Kill yourself cuck, or better yet get yourself and your whole family too done in by some oppressed minorities.

>>85602180
>Thoughts?

California and other Southern states uses illegals as quasi legal slavery.

>>85603914
If living in a white country is too difficult for you, you could always fuck off.
>pro-tip
Non-whites non-blacks hate you people far more than you could even imagine whites in america doing. But there's always black africa.

>Its now racist for white people to even make tv shows about things

>>85602180
The premise of the show is that Southerners are so backward and inhuman that had they won the war they'd have never ended slavery on their own without the North doing it for them. That's a better reason to be annoyed about it.

>>85604530
>If dealing with poor whites doing labor in the south was a remotely logical option, it would have been the option used from the get go.

Why would it have been the go to option when you could have free labor?
I think you are approaching this backwards, with the mentality that the industries driven by slave labor would be operating with the same productiveness, and thus the same demand for labor, if slavery didn't exist.

>>85604742
>quoting a feminist paper

>>85603936
What gave it away

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>>85602180
>make a show illustrating how oppressive life would be under the Confederacy
>liberals are offended

>>85603363
>Benioff and Weiss, who are white

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>>85602180
>led by black activists, writers and other thought leaders

But it's literally gonna be The Handmaid's Tale: Black Edition

>>85603442

If the Civil War was really about slavery why didn't Lincoln free the slaves at the beginning of the war instead of 2+years later?

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>>85605643
By guys physically incapable of understanding the struggle people of color face

>>85603642
Idk, the Confederate Family Insurance commercial at the beginning was pretty funny

>>85605181
>Why would it have been the go to option when you could have free labor?
One reason this could have been a go to option was that the poor whites were already there, and there wasn't the need to establish slave trade routes and distribution networks, and lastly purchase the actual slave and then continue to pay to keep them alive. White workers would come to you and then you could pay them a shit salary and have them struggle to survive on their own.
Obviously this didn't pan out because white people weren't cut out for the southern sun and continuous day labor (there are books that document original settlers and conquistadors dying off in droves in the South and Caribbean due to the heat). So from the owner's perspective, especially the earlier owner's perspective (the first generation of slave purchasers) they already knew dealing with poor whites wasn't a logical option. They'd have a less productive workforce due to environment that they're paying more for in the long run. So African slaves were the answer, especially after all the natives were dying of disease.

>I think you are approaching this backwards, with the mentality that the industries driven by slave labor would be operating with the same productiveness, and thus the same demand for labor, if slavery didn't exist.
Correct, the industry wouldn't have operated with the same productiveness, but the same demand for labor and product would have been there, especially coming from the North and Europe. There was a huge demand for sugar, tobacco, and cotton. That high demand coupled with poor pay, terrible conditions, heritage based treatment of groups like the Italians and Irish, and a workforce that could have stood up for themselves as a result of having more rights this time around and stable family units would have been exactly why there would have been a class war had poor whites been used.

>>85603550

Africa and the Gulf Arab countries still have a ton of slaves.

>>85606022


I agree with most of this, but why do you then leap in logic saying the US wouldn't have become an industrial powerhouse?

>America's original sin

What is up with this meme, do the people saying this shit even realise what using original sin as a metaphor entails?

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>>85603981
wrong

>>85603395
>all antagonists should be satan incarnate

wow sounds like fun

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I don't get how dumb SJW's are...
It would just be a vehicle to constantly attack and shame white people and point them out as evil while pumping up blacks and women as the heroes.

This is the show they are dying to see.

Not to mention it would be a massive "blacked" fest.

It's almost as if they don't know what they want...

Niggers would be in lot worse shape if they hadn't been slaves

>>85602180
>America's original sin
They're not even fucking pretending anymore. They're outright admitting that this dumb shit cultural marxism is meant to usurp religion.

>>85603981
Why does the map have 1500-1900 in the Atlantic but only 1700-1900 in sub-Sahara and North Africa? If the dates for those are specified what is the dates from the Red Sea and Indian Ocean trades?

What a fucking garbage map.

>>85603363
Are they good writers?

>>85603752
No one read your other post anyway.

>yfw these faggots create their own shitty story with this instead of using an actually good interesting preexisting story like Harry Turtledove's Southern Victory series

It's not like Dumb and Dumber have a history of high quality original storytelling, they should stick with adaptations

>>85607444
>muh southern Hitler

>literally white guilt: the series
>the blacks get mad about it
lmao I can't even complain

>>85606879
They obviously do, since being born white is being born into a state of fallen grace and the only way to absolve yourself is to bleat as loudly and obnoxiously as possible about how much you love black people

>>85603395

You know there were black slave owners, right?

You know there are more black slaves in Africa today than there ever were in America, right?

You know that, right?

>>85607017
Its almost as if... SJWs... are not one single entity.... Almost like 4chan...
....

>>85608282
You know this show is about the UNITE FUCKING STATES right?

>>85602180
>No one protested when they made The Man In The High Castle

>>85603550
A lot of slaves would be basically hired out to work blacksmith jobs or dangerous work that you'd have to risk having a bunch of micks at your doorstep the next day to cry about poor Patrick.

>>85602180
This is so stupid. Do they REALLY think this is going to be a pro-confederate show? How fucking retarded are they?

>>85609372
>Do they REALLY think this is going to be a pro-confederate show
No, they are just frustrated that directors who aren't people of color themselves are appropriating the stories and suffering of people of color

>>85608701
Some people got a little buttmad when they put ads on billboards and subways with the statue of liberty giving the nazi salute, but that was very short-lived. Blacks being more thinskinned than Jews confirmed.

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They defiantly need a character born into a ton of slave wealth but conflicted about its morality. Maybe like a direct descendent of a famous confederate being pulled in one direction by the weight of the tradition and the struggle of his ancestors and the wealth bequeathed to him and in the other by his qt octaroon mistress. They should hire me to write.

>>85602427
literally all caused by filthy ass europeans and their nasty diseases

Is anyone else really tired of hearing about how sad and angry and noble black people are?

I mean I legitimately do not care at all but it seems like every fucking movie or tv show on earth has something groundbreaking and valuable to say on the topic.

>>85602397
Black people care only about themselves. It's why when the cast of a movie has only white and black actors in equal roles, they say it has representation. Even though the true minority on screen media (movies, series and etc) are native people.

Sometimes you see them celebrate for asians, but asians have a local industry to represent them, importing and translating their media could boost for the americans. You never hear them argue for that, though.

>Americas original sin
So what indians are literally nobodies? Isn't that what the whole shit people be yelling out nowadays?
>what about the indians! what about the indians! it was there land
>no no slavery is the original sin

>>85606854
Because we wouldn't have been making the same industrial progress that we did as a result of working with the collected raw resources and innovating ways to speed up production at places like the textile/cotton mills, and other northern factories that handled raw crop from the south. It would have been class war since the 1700s in the South and Carribean, and there likely would have been ripples northward too that would serve to delay industrial progress. Steel and metal industry should remain booming though, but the problem would be who's working the mills if a number of white people are displaced to the South and caught in class war (based on population numbers at that time, there'd either need to be a huge ramp up in immigration, or we'd have to imagine poor Northern whites somehow bred more in this timeline to cover the displacement that went to work in the south, and they all miraculously chose to wait for work in the North instead of going South like the others), and if those low class workers at the mill would turn on their superiors just like their cousins in the South did due to piss poor working conditions.

So in all, we'd be looking at class warfare at our source location, meaning a crop starved North, and a North which likely would be teetering on instability as a result of poor mill working conditions coupled with people seeing the Southern poor people standing up for themselves.
It'd basically turn the nation into a bigger fucking powder keg than it was at the time.

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>>85609824
You gotta keep in mind these are the same people whose response to the Paris terror attacks was rage that it was drawing valuable media attention away from the Black Lives Matter rallies.

How much longer until this shit stops? I just normal movies and tv shows.

>>85610080
When Kamala Harris becomes president in 2020

It really is remarkable how fucking stupid niggers are. Do they really think this show would have portrayed the Confederacy in a positive light? Do they really think this show would talk about how great slavery is? Do they really think they wouldn't turn slaveowners into horrible bigoted villains?

Fucking dumb niggers don't want whites to write shows about blacks and they don't want whites to write shows about whites since these "whitewash history" or "aren't representative of American demographics"

Seriously go fuck yourselves, I wish we picked our own fucking cotton, goddamned lazy Southerners

>>85603363

>who are white

>>85610016
I dont know if thats a valid thing to be upset about, given that's an individual's opinion you just posted, and that we also see other groups do the same thing whenever just about anything happens to be honest. Cop shooting happens and people say its a distraction from the real news happening at Washington or that its not worth caring about since black people don't care about them and the movement isn't titled All lives matter. Or when shootings at abortion clinics happen by domestic terrorists, and people claim its a falseflag, a distraction from the "real issue", or that theres no need to show love to people who die at a terror attack at an abortion clinic, in total disregard of the people attacked.
Every side has their spotlight loving nutcases that are trying to make it all about them and downplay when tragedy occurs to others.

>>85610176
Well, look at it this way

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flight
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentrification
It's racist for white people to move into a community, and it's racist for white people to move out of a community, so I'm not especially clear on where white people are supposed to go

>>85608634

It's almost as if... they're looking for reasons... to be... offended... but they...'re... all...
...

...

retarded

>>85610246
White flight was a problem because capital left with the whites and future tax money was unevenly distributed, with the abandoned inner cities not receiving a proper cut in order to stay afloat. Gentrification is a problem because money is rapidly reintroduced into these poor communities via real estate without actually uplifting the existing community and in turn effectively displaces them. The problem isn't that the people are white, its that the people moving around with the capital are fucking over the little guy. Whites in Appalachia complain about this too. Its a very real problem, especially if you live in a small town or poor city making a meager salary and next thing you know, all the property gets bought up, prices go up, and you can't afford to shop at your local grocery store or buy gas for your truck anymore since price points are set to maximize profit and not number of distinct sales.

But if you want to blame dumb niggers for pointing out those real class problems and say they need to stop being mad, whatever mang.

>>85603550
Not really. During the industrial revolution American business owners loved "hiring" people to work 12 hr days in factories for almost no pay.

Seeing as it's a parallel universe do you think they'll have cameos of famous black people as slaves who are playing their parallel universe versions of themselves?

>>85610246
Where are white people flocking to today? I need to start thinking about real estate investments.

>>85602180
Why wouldn't /pol/ love this?

>>85610696
>"problem"

Neither of those are a problem.

The freedom to not have to support bottom feeding blacks is a right you have as an american.

Do you think rich rappers/sports starts move into the ghetto? Spoiler, they move away as fast as they can from their own people.

>>85610696
Do you blame the white people for white flight though? white people can't raise their families around the drugs, crime and general idiotic behavior that blacks bring with them. So they pack up their property and leave and the area keeps going to hell.

>>85602180
>thought leaders
wew that's a scary fucking term

>it's an angry niggers episode
>again

I'm tired of hating niggers, can the asian americans get all butthurt next?

>>85602397
Injuns died to disease.

>>85603363
>>85605580
>>85610184
>who are white
>(((white)))

this

just more cheap hollywood jew racebaiting

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>>85603587
>slavery was ok because one black did it and it was going to be abolished eventually!

>>85611023
This
Detroit riots are a great example. There was a lot of racism in Detroit but the white people there didn't start taking off until blacks literally destroyed half the city for what amounted to no good reason since the police raids that led up to it where justified
Detroit didn't die just because whites left, it died because black people made it impossible to live well there

>>85611216
>blacks sold blacks to whites en masse
>but it's the white's fault

>>85611021
>The freedom to not have to support bottom feeding blacks is a right you have as an american.
Agreed, however its an economic problem for all the capital to fucking vanish in a community overnight. Imagine if all the employers in your area packed up overnight, closed shop, and took all the capital with them to another area. Meanwhile, you're still on the hook for rent and utilities, need to feed yourself and your family, pay for transportation, etc. I definitely agree its nobody's requirement to send money to some guy you're not at all related to, but its another thing entirely for the economic core of a community to just roll out with no alternatives. It also didnt help that up until that time, when non white alternatives tried to be created things like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot occured. So there really wasn't a chance for these people to become fully independent and truly make their own communities prior to white flight. They were forced to rely on whites or risk getting a terror attack.
>Do you think rich rappers/sports starts move into the ghetto? Spoiler, they move away as fast as they can from their own people
And this actually isn't a form of economic flight considering that they move once they become rich. Meaning they weren't the economic core of a community prior. That's completely different from your boss cutting off contact and rolling out.

>>85611235
>blacks riots due to police raids that the federal government has already officially apologized for, somehow caused the automobile industry to leave Detroit.
You faggots need to even revise black history in the fucking 60s, don't you?

>>85611299
Look at it this way
>white community with no black people in it to bother them
>safe, peaceful, prosperous

>black community with no white people in it to bother them
>Previously on The Wire

>>85611270
>maybe a handful of black slavers traded in the US
>"en masse"
>this means America was a dindu nuffin
What in the fuck is the argument now? US was the principle country involved in chattel slave trading. Are you just trying to pretend that never happened?

>>85603658
Their target audience doesn't do much thinking

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>>85602180
>led by black activists, writers and other thought leaders

>>85611340
>muh self fulfilling prophecy after redlining districts show that whites don't want to live in black communities
Huh, really rustles the brain box

>>85611409
No, but see if blacks don't want to live around white people either why don't they just make *nice* black communities?

>>85603658
Slave were used as nannies and such. It was not all people being whipped picking cotton.

Also, the working condition of working class in industrial North were very bad, too.

>>85611340
No strawmen here, no sir!

>>85603053
>what is the colonisation of the mid west
we only laid the groundwork I'm afraid

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They should make this.

>>85611430
Oh shit! That's all it takes! Quick, get this anon on the phone with the President!

>>85611448
>1448

>>85611023
>drugs, crimes, and general idiotic behavior
>1940s and 1950s
Black communities were actually pretty tight knit and relatively clean cut until the CIA had drugs brought in and flooded their neighborhoods. Any white flight prior to that was just people not wanting to be around blacks, and not for some greater purpose concerning the state of the community. I believe its perfectly fine if someone packed up their family and decided to leave, but the problem is that many employers left with them and that self sustaining black communities really were not allowed to be a thing. So the economic heart of a community left the people they forced to be dependent upon them. It'd be totally different if the whites left and the jobs stayed. Hell, it'd even be good if the jobs stayed and they just paid the blacks less. But no, they literally rolled out, shut down the mills, factories, etc. and displaced thousands of workers and left families desperate for what few jobs were left, and willing to turn to crime to carry on.

>>85611358
>US was the principle country involved in chattel slave trading.

>>85611444
Well, poverty correlates with crime but race correlates more strongly with crime, as in a black person who makes $60,000 a year is still more likely to commit more crime than a white person who makes $15,000 (although the white person will commit more crime themselves than a wealthy white person would)

You can see this in Kentucky or West Virginia where people are poor, uneducated, often have terrible social problems but just plain don't gun each other down or set shit on fire the way poor blacks do.

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>>85611430
It's almost like these are complex socio-economic issues involving a demographic with a poor relationship with the federal government...

>>85611358
>slavery never existed prior to america
>black africans never sold their countrymen

>>85611516
>but race correlates more strongly with crime.
Oh, these memes again. As usual. No.

All the race shit that goes down in America makes me so glad to be European. As a kid I wanted to live in America, but since Obama it just feels like it's got more and more polarised and toxic.

>>85611537
>a poor relationship with the federal government...

these people have a poor relationship with reality

>>85611503
BUT DA NIGGERS ARE BAD REEE!

>>85611430
Because when they tried that they got their communities destroyed in terror attacks.

>>85611579
>As usual. No.
It's flat out true though, the wealthiest black communities in America still have disproportionately high crime rates.

Prince George's County, Maryland is the wealthiest black majority county in the US and it has a murder rate twice the national average

>>85611576
This entire conversation is about the American slave trade, Mr. Whatabout.

>>85603084
>Most of em got killed by invisible STDs and shit cause their immune systems were weak you can't really control that. The rest died in honorable combat.
Jesus is that really what they teach you in school? Most of them were murdered, a few happened to die because we had diseases they didn't have but we killed pretty much all of them knowingly.

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>>85611503
>Black communities were actually pretty tight knit and relatively clean cut until the CIA had drugs brought in and flooded their neighborhoods

this might fly if anyone thought the CIA did this in multiple cities and neighborhoods.

>>85611643
The Prince George's County /pol/ copypasta gets debunked constantly here, newfriend. I get it that you probably tried the same shtick over in /his/ and got btfo, so someone prob convinced you to try /tv/...but it never works here either.

>>85611691
>gets debunked constantly here
this isn't your subreddit

>>85611537
It's funny how blacks have dysfunctional relationships with whites in the US, and blacks have dysfunctional relationships with Arabs in North Africa, and blacks have dysfunctional relationships with Latinos in Brazil, and blacks are beginning to develop dysfunctional relationships with Chinese people in Kenya and Nigera

>>85611691
>gets debunked
Debunk it for me if it's so easy

>>85611671
They did...

>>85611513
During the Triangle trade? Yes, that is literally true.

>>85611691
>oh sweetie, you're wrong, and if you're too dumb to understand why you're wrong I'm not going to explain it to you

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>>85603363
>who are white

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>>85611650

north american slaves from the middle passage era acconted for about 10% of the total african slave populations. wouldnt it be more interesting to focus on the death camps that the majority of the middle passage slaves went to die in?

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>thought leaders
i swear i read that in a book before

>>85611722
>>85611760

>this is what shitskins actually believe
thats right. The man is keeping you down. blacks are totally not subhumans.

>>85611716
>It's funny how blacks have dysfunctional relationships with whites in the US, and blacks have dysfunctional relationships with Arabs in North Africa, and blacks have dysfunctional relationships with Latinos in Brazil, and blacks are beginning to develop dysfunctional relationships with Chinese people in Kenya and Nigera
Is there a concrete here?

>>85611796
Yeah, everyone in the world is racist and disrespectful to blacks and they all need to shape up ASAP or they tryna finna get swung on

>>85602180
>try to make a show about evil whitey
>dumb nignogs riot because they think it's going to glorify slavery
haha I can't wait until the show is cancelled.

>>85611787
The government literally has a history of keeping minorities down though.

>>85611768
Are we ignoring how the largest companies and the highest distributions of slave trading were done by the US? This revisionist history gets obnoxious, mate.

>>85611825
keep telling yourself that. Its not keeping down. Its called protecting the people.

>>85610245
i'd give more of a shit about black lives matter if 90% of the people they championed had don't something retarded to get shot.
take michael brown the poster boy for that entire shit show, robs a store, police pull up, he reaches in to the cop car, police shoot him, he runs off, police chase him down and kill him.
or tamir rice, kid takes the orange tip off a replica gun, starts pointing it at people, police turn up, he reaches for the toy gun, gets shot.

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>when you get imported en masse in coffin ships, worked to death doing endless manual labor and hated and discriminated against by everyone you meet but your great-grandchildren become the wealthiest, most educated and least crime-prone demographic in the country
Maybe black "people" just need to git gud?

>>85611825
None moreso than the Asian community

and what do you know, Asians have higher GDP per capita than whites, more education than whites, an all around better standard of living than whites in general

whodathunkit?

>>85611870
>>>/pol/
Right, redlining and Contra and no voting rights and slavery were all great.

>>85611516
That might have more to do with the classification of crime and the fact that gangland murders are counted with the base murder rate with no distinction.
If you dig deeper than the surface and look at murder by method, you'll find whites are killing each other more often in violent ways with things like poison, arson, and knives while blacks are killing each other through gun violence in large numbers, and the numbers dont proportionally carry with population ratio from location to location. The implication then is that due to problems with proportion consistency and a lack of matching numbers for other murder methods, that its not explicitly a black person problem, but a gang problem. And that's the CIA's fault.

>>85611867
>e we ignoring how the largest companies and the highest distributions of slave trading were done by the US?
What does this even mean? 97% of slaves to the New World went to South America. The US took a total of less than 400,000 slaves ever

>>85611895
>none moreso than the Asian community
Asians were never sold as property you retard. It was not the same, no matter what infographic convinced you

>>85611902
great for actual americans keeping trash out of their neighborhoods. why do you think white americans flee entire cities when blacks show up?

>>85611902
honestly ask yourself: would you rather be a black man in America or Africa?

>>85611671
... Anon, I...

>>85611933
That is literally a fake statistic you dumb fag.

>>85611902
they actually were. blacks shouldn't have voting rights and should have all been shipped back to Africa after that civil war.

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>>85611943
Whoa... so this is the power of decolonization

>>85611878

asians faced heavy discrimination, a major civil rights case stemmed from asian schoolchildren being segregated in good old san francisco.

shame asians can't seem to break this cycle of poverty and improve themsel.... oh wait.

>>85611503

>Black communities were actually pretty tight knit and relatively clean cut until the CIA had drugs brought in and flooded their neighborhoods
It's really amazing how far this idiotic lie has spread, there's even a fucking TV series depicting this nonsense now.
educate yourself:
https://oig.justice.gov/special/9712/ch01p1.htm

>>85611716
Reminds me of that quote of how Muslims are killing Christians in Egypt and Syria, Muslims are killing Hindus in India, Muslims are killing Buddhists in Indonesia, Muslims are killing atheists in Europe, Muslims are killing other Muslims all over Iraq and the one thing everyone can agree on is that people are too mean to Muslims

>>85611943
Asians were completely banned from entering the country retard, we also put them in prisons simply for being Asian in relatively recent memory

Slavery has a lot less to do with the current failures of black America than a genetic prevalence toward low intelligence and a cultural prevalence toward crime and anti-intellectualism

>>85611825
The government has made a good faith effort to integrate minorities since 1965

>>85612051
>comparing how blacks had it objectively worse in American history
You kids are brainless.

>>85611990

this guy is indeed wrong, but the majority of middle passage slaves didn't go to north america. they were worked to death in factories, sugar cane plantations, and other highly sought after goods. they didn't breed them, simply worked them to death then dumped the bodies. it was more cost effective than housing/etc. most US slaves showed up after cotton gin made shit grade southern cotton usable

>>85611990
well maybe you should tell that to this literal black supremacist website:
http://www.theroot.com/how-many-slaves-landed-in-the-us-1790873989

>>85602180
>d+d

it's gonna be trash

>>85611503

this is like, the fairy tale version of the black experience suburban kids gleam from watching televsion.

>>85612137
>blacks were property but Asians weren't allowed in the country!
>it's like, the same bruh!
>slavery had literally nothing to do with the poor conditions blacks faced. Not all all.
>it's actually a genetic pseudoscience that nobody can prove, outside of /pol/ experts and "race realists".

>>85611526
>The Kingdom cuts into real world Texas via the edge of the forest belt
The fuck?

>>85611503
>>>/x/

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>>85612231

>>85611503
>Hell, it'd even be good if the jobs stayed and they just paid the blacks less
Yes, these companies should have to put up with illiterate workers who don't show up on time and leave early all to keep the black community together. Because the point of private companies is to support minority communities, not make money right?

>>85612156
That doesn't change the countless numbers of slave bodies shipped into North America. I love this lite revisionist history where now slavery "wasn't THAT bad". It's pretty disgusting behavior to be honest.

>>85612146
Unless you're old enough to remember Jim Crow, no one is holding you back but yourself. Holy fucking shit, more time has passed since the civil rights movement than it took for Russians to go from medieval serfs to launching men into fucking space and niggers still can't crawl out of the ghetto.

>>85612231
Slavery was 150 years ago. We're still going to be putting the blame on slaveowners? Because why exactly? They had their intelligence "breeded out of them" by slaveowners? Then why is the American black IQ noticeably higher than the African IQ on average?
>genetic pseudoscience
What? Blacks have an undeniable prevalence toward lower IQ. The only way you could call it a "pseudoscience" if you're one of these fucking morons who thinks "IQ doesn't mean anything" or that "IQ tests are culturally biased" - as if a fucking test consisting almost entirely of pattern recognition is culturally biased in the slightest

>>85612295
So you can't have your cake and eat it to, bud. These groups were illiterate and fucked over by poor federal funding and segregation. But don't integrate them to make them intelligent, they are violent criminals but don't keep the jobs there?

What in the fuck would you have wanted then? Your argument is collapsing.

>>85603456
>thread about show that has political aspects
>wtf why are people talking about politics

>>85612069
>https://oig.justice.gov/special/9712/ch01p1.htm
>They didn't purposefully try to ruin black communities, they just funneled in the crack cocaine to support the Contra war effort and what happened was just an unintended side effect!
That honestly makes it worse. That's like serving someone poison and arguing that its not a murder because "Its not that you hate them, its that you wanted to serve poison and didn't care what happened to them."

>>85612382
IQ is not all genetic and no geneticist even argues that races are a thing. Most of this bullshit is in fact, pseudoscience.

>The last of the monuments - a statue of Gen. Robert E. Lee facing defiantly north with his arms crossed - was lifted by a crane from its pedestal late Friday. As air was seen between Lee's statue and the pedestal below it, a cheer went out from the crowd assembled below who recorded the history with their phones and shook hands with each other in congratulations. Many in the crowd had waited all day in anticipation.

Next stop changing history.

>>85612307
Nobody is saying it wasn't that bad, but it has been far worse in other parts of the world. Arabs took exponentially more slaves out of Africa than the US did, but they never get shit because they were smart and they castrated their slaves. We should have done that but we wanted a permanent free labor class and we have had to deal with the negative consequences of allowing these fucking subhumans to continue breeding in our society ever since. Slavery is not only wrong, immoral, disgusting and inhumane but it is the cause of so much of our problems today

>>85612349
60 years is not a long time bud. They were literal second class citizens 60 years ago. Your attitude doesn't help either.

>>85612473
>but it has been far worse in other parts of the world
Which is a whataboutism...

>>85612431
>Q is not all genetic
But it's significantly genetic and almost every geneticist will argue about how much genetics plays into IQ and almost every single one states that it is a considerable portion of IQ determination
> no geneticist even argues that races are a thing
Alright I'm done dealing with you, troll

>When whites owned slaves
>NEVER FORGET, FUCK YOU WHITEY, YOU CAN NEVER ATONE, WE NEED MORE REPARATIONS N SHIEEEET
>When any other race owned slaves
>Well it was a different time and we need to examine the cultural and economic aspects of it to understand it in it's era, but ultimately they are a different people and all is forgotten :)

>>85612517
>science I don't like that doesn't conform to my /pol/ sensibilities, is a troll
Stay in your hugbox then, fag.

>>85612508
The point is that American slavery was in no way special or exceptionally horrible as historical revisionists pretend. There are large portions of the US population who honestly believe that white Americans invented slavery or that somehow American slavery was far worse than any other country's form.

>>85612219
>fairy tale
No that really happened. Economic cores left and people got desperate.
Same thing happens everywhere. Hell, Donald Trump ran a platform on saving the forgotten man and woman in the midwest who relied on factory labor wages that packed up and left to Mexico and overseas. Those people in those communities literally are dealing with the same problems the black community faced when white flight occurred. There's an opiod epidemic, gang violence is picking up and people are killing each other and getting HIV and AIDS. In humble, over 95% white communities like Austin, Indiana.

>>85612562
>discussing the horors of American chattel slavery
>is revisionist history
You people are a fucking plague. Most modern historians even agree that chattel slavery was worse than we originally thought.

>>85612550
If you honestly don't think races exist then you're a fucking moron and there's no point in discussing this topic with you
http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v36/n11s/full/ng1435.html?foxtrotcallback=true

http://time.com/91081/what-science-says-about-race-and-genetics/
http://quillette.com/2016/06/23/on-the-reality-of-race-and-the-abhorrence-of-racism/

>>85611503
Poverty doesn't make you commit crimes.

The only way the modern "liberal" theories work is if you believe that blacks have no free will or intelligence and turn savage the minute white people aren't around to take care of them btw.

>>85612629
Yet none of this says even a tenth of what /pol/ believes on "race"

>>85612612
Yes but what was the cause of each economic base shifting? In the white midwest it was cheaper labor overseas and exponential immigration depressing wages and increasing unemployment. In the "white flight" scenario it was the Great Migration bringing endless drugs and crime into white communities. One is the result of politics and economics, the other is the result of high crime.

>>85612618
And Brazil didn't have chattel slavery? The only reason America gets singled out is because it runs shit nowadays. If Brazil had the cash to pony up for reparations then it would be treated like this specifically horrific institution.

>>85605580
>>85610184
Us blacks see no difference betweens whites and (((whites))) you all have look the same and have privilege so it's no difference to us. Also ashkenazi jews are literally white europeans. Just because they converted to Judaism a while back doesn't change their ethnicity.

>>85602180
>America's original sin
But that is Spanish massacre of natives. Has nothing to do with the current year citizens of that country.

t. Russian

>>85612645
do you have any evidence to support that claim?

>>85612659
Fuck what /pol/ believes on race, the point is that race, in terms of genetic distinctions between subgroups of humanity which developed over thousands of years in geographically-separate portions of the globe exist. For example, just about every single distance runner at the Olympics who wins a medal comes from East Africa. Just about every speed runner at the Olympics who wins a medal is either from West Africa or Jamaica/US/Canada and descend from West Africans. So if we can acknowledge physical distinctions between geographically-separate groups then why can't we acknowledge distinctions in mental features between geographically-separate groups?

>>85603550
>implying that in 2017, Californians don't have mexican slaves that mow their lawns.

>>85612645
>>85612764
Not that anon but poverty does make you commit property crimes.

I would love to hear any liberal tell me how poverty causes blacks to commit rape at roughly 3.5x the white rate. Are women property now? Is having sex a commodity?

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>>85602180
>thought leaders
aka leftists who make money off complaining about things

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>>85612480
>60 years is not a long time bud
How about 200 years? 200 years ago, the Haitians massacred their white oppressors and declared themselves a free nation

>>85612645
Where did anyone say poverty makes you commit crimes? I said it makes you desperate.
>>85612682
>Great Migration bringing in endless drugs and crime
No black ass former sharecropper was bringing in drugs to any of those communities. They barely owned the shirts on their backs during the Great Migration. Any drugs that were in those places were likely already there as a result of mafia efforts, and again, it is pretty well documented that black communities during Jim Crow were altogether pretty clean cut, possibly due to it literally being the law. They literally stayed in their parts of town and really only interacted with the whites when they'd go to work. They couldn't have brought crime into a white community they weren't fully allowed into to begin with.

>>85602180
Bless their heart.

>>85612897
Haiti is the perfect example of the genetic determinism of black culture. The Island of Hispaniola is like a petri dish to test whether nature vs. nurture puts blacks into such horrible circumstances and poverty/crime. Half the island is taken up by the Dominican Republic, which is 90% Hispanic, the other half by Haiti which is 90% black. One is a relatively prosperous Caribbean nation, that does about as well as its neighbors in Central America and other Caribbean islands, the other is both the poorest country in the Western AND Northern hemispheres. They literally share the same fucking island with the same resources and the same geography, the only difference is the people. Go fuck yourself Jared Diamond

>>85602180
>>85603363
so is it being canceled due to backlash or are they still doing it?

>>85613055
They're still doing it but they hired a black couple to be co-executive producers with them

>>85612945
>They barely owned the shirts on their backs during the Great Migration. Any drugs that were in those places were likely already there as a result of mafia efforts, and again, it is pretty well documented that black communities during Jim Crow were altogether pretty clean cut, possibly due to it literally being the law
They kept quiet until after Jim Crow laws were repealed, that's when White Flight took off exponentially, especially during the 1970s. Also the Jim Crow Laws never applied to Northern cities where the majority of the White Flight epidemics occurred, Philly, Chicago, NYC, etc.

They absolutely did bring crime, blacks have committed more crime than whites since we started collecting criminological data in this country.

>>85603550
We're all slaves to the man thanks to modern technology keeping us glued to the computer for more brainwashing...

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>>85613032
Fun times.

>>85612879
Probably because a rape is only a rape if its first reported and then the other party is found guilty.
Given blacks are poorer, more often turn to public defenders, and have lower social standing, I would think a girl would be more likely to report a rape by a black man than one by a white man because the odds she'll be shamed or questioned on legitimacy of the claim are lower. Ergo, more white rape might go unreported as a result of how our society is set up, and on top of that whites will on average get better defense lawyers regardless of whether the rape is legit or not. The unreported white rape part becomes especially eye opening if you then take a look at surveys where girls answer anonymously if they've been sexually assaulted at colleges, and note how many non reporters there are.

So the rape numbers actually might not be the smartest thing to rest your head on given nobody knows the true amount thats really happening, and the numbers we do have actually report 3.5x as many convictions and not 3.5x as many rapes...

>>85602180
>modern-day Confederate nation with legal slavery
Oh boy. The confederacy was just a standart latin-american shithole, and none of them has slavery today.

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>>85603161
nice

>>85613105
>They absolutely did bring crime, blacks have committed more crime than whites since we started collecting criminological data in this country.
If we are looking at a culmination of crime, then yes, blacks have committed more than their population share would suggest, but this again is likely due to gang problems as the crime scaled up in the 70s-90s when the CIA fucked everything up.
Care to post a reliable source showing violent crime by blacks during the Great Migration specifically?

>>85607017
You need to realize SJWs don't actually want to accomplish anything they just want something to aw
scream about it's teojimp,lw t

>>85608676
You know that the United States abolished slavery 150 years ago, right?

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>>85612897
>implying Haiti ever truly thew off the yoke of their white oppressors

>>85603533
I'd unironically watch what Wakaliwood would make with Marvel money out of Black Panther contract.

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>tfw there's gonna be atleast 1 white slave owner who's not totally 1 dimensional evil and sort of "grey" and will be our Eternal Guy

>>85613391
Elsa Jean would be really hot if she didn't have those stupid tattoos

>>85611669
You're insane. The population of the Americas was decimated by disease FAR more than any of the genocide a handful of American generals tried carrying out.

Yes, the West was won through people doing some shitty things, and several generals most definitely believed in native genocide and acted believing they were carrying it out. But to say there was a policy by the American government to genocide natives is bordering on insanity.

>>85613105
>Jim Crow laws never applied to northern cities
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jim_Crow_law_examples_by_state

>https://experts.illinois.edu/en/publications/examining-structural-racism-in-the-jim-crow-era-of-illinois
>https://www.brennancenter.org/publication/jim-crow-new-york
>http://www.pbs.org/black-culture/shows/list/jim-crow-pennsylvania/

>>85613698
Fuck. Even my Greek family wasn't allowed on whites only beaches here in New England.

>>85603395
They should also have a scene where the slave owners steal a young maiden and tie her to a train track seeing as comically evil is all we're allowed here

>>85603634

If North America is a giant continent, why wouldn't there be millions of people living there back then?

Any white person who watches evil whitey media is a literal retard.

I worked at a theatre during college and the sheer amount of red haired, hipster glassed messes that piled in to 12 Years, The Butler etc was comical.

>>85613308
This is such horseshit, if we look at the National Crime Victimization Survey we find the exact same proportions of rapes reported by victims as we do reported by police departments. There is literally no difference between the two. You honestly think white people can just make a rape disappear because they have money? Then why does West Virginia, the poorest state in the Union, have one of the lowest rape rates in the Union?

It's just unbelievably stupid

>>85613698
>>85613105
>>85612945
yes and the point of Jim Crow Laws is that blacks have become far more criminal, violent and less likely to raise their children SINCE Jim Crow was taken down. The black illegitiamte children rate at the end of Jim Crow was similar to the white rate, now it's roughly 3.5x larger. 72% of black children are born out of wedlock. You want to fix the black community? Fix that. Don't fucking pretend that Jim Crow has more to do with modern black problems than the insane illegitimacy rate.

>>85603550
Slaves were a status symbol in the confederacy though and they would have found a way to keep them as slaves because they didnt want them running free

>>85603587
Slavery set the south back. Allowing it only made the participating states poorer. There were only a handful of actual property owners that were making money during that time and those families were born into money. Everything about slavery was detrimental to the growth of the southern states.

>>85614685
The average white southerner was better off than the average northerner before the war. It did prevent industrialization but the south' export economy was doing pretty well in the run up to the war.

>>85614436
> if we look at the National Crime Victimization Survey we find the exact same proportions of rapes reported by victims as we do reported by police departments.
Again, this requires the rape victim to come forward. What we see from sexual abuse surveys tell a conflicting story where most victims dont come forward. The NCV Survey in turn only tells us that among those victims who come forward to report, that they claim a black person perpetrated the crime. This does not necessarily mean blacks commit more rape, especially given that the vast majority go unreported. Rather it just suggests that victims come forward more often when the guy is black.

>You honestly think white people can just make a rape disappear because they have money?
Yes. Anyone with money can make a rape disappear. Black athletes and stars have notably gotten away with likely rapes because they are rich or connected enough to have superior defense that can at the very least turn the case into a dragged out circus and continue the fight until the other side gives in. The average, poorer black wont have such luxuries, and their fight ends where the public defender stops giving a fuck, or the judge decides to cut the nonsense short since this is all on the taxpayer dime instead of the defendant paying themselves.

>Then why does West Virginia, the poorest state in the Union, have one of the lowest rape rates in the Union?
Because there are lower chances of encounter for a non-familial rape to occur as a result of lower population density, and when a rape does occur in the sticks, girls are even more unlikely to report because response times are longer, takes longer to get to the rape kit, the rapist is even more likely to be someone she knows that's going to makes sure she keeps quiet, and if she does tell, everyone in her small town is going to know about it. Reporting a rape in a small town is totally different from reporting one in a city.

>>85614517
>Don't fucking pretend that Jim Crow has more to do with modern black problems
Where did anyone claim that? You're beating the hell out of that strawman right now.

>>85612762
ШBAБOДКУ ШИБИPУ!

>>85614922
>Again, this requires the rape victim to come forward.
So you would rather assume that victims of black rapes come forward and victims of white rapes don't? Is that it? Why would you assume that victims of white rape victims are less likely to come forward than black rape victims?
>Rather it just suggests that victims come forward more often when the guy is black.
You are making this completely unfounded assumption, why?
>Yes. Anyone with money can make a rape disappear.
But we're talking about rape arrests, not convictions when we examine the NCVS data. It's absolutely ludicrous and unbelievable to me that you would go to such an amazing length to pretend that black rape victims come forward more than whites. You are literally just doing this because you don't want to face the uncomfortable truth that blacks rape more than whites.

>>85614982
You did, the people bringing up Jim Crow constantly do. The vast majority of blacks in America do. They constantly talk about Jim Crow but theblack illegitimacy rate is commonly scoffed at. I can't tell you how many times I've heard "can you imagine caring about whether a child's parents are married? It's 2017, not the Dark Ages, lol this is the New Normal" bullshit from liberals on this subject

>>85614922
>Because there are lower chances of encounter for a non-familial rape to occur as a result of lower population density, and when a rape does occur in the sticks, girls are even more unlikely to report because response times are longer, takes longer to get to the rape kit, the rapist is even more likely to be someone she knows that's going to makes sure she keeps quiet, and if she does tell, everyone in her small town is going to know about it. Reporting a rape in a small town is totally different from reporting one in a city.
Then why is the rape rate so much higher in Black Mississippi than White West Virginia? Is it because of all those urban population centers in Mississippi?

>>85614757
>export economy
In numbers, yes, Congo export economy also was doing great.

>>85602180
why is slavery always "America's original sin" when every fucking country also had legal slavery

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>a modern-day Confederate nation with legal slavery

Are these people really retarded enough to think slavery wouldn't still have still been abolished by now if the confederates won?

>>85614922
To add to the West Virginia point, cost of defense is relative additionally. West Virginia being a poor state would in theory make it easier to defend yourself in court on a rape charge, assuming the girl actually reports the rape because a lawyer in backwoods WV isn't going to charge as much for their time as one in a big city. Less people = less crime = more free time for lawyers and thus they don't need to set a higher price point for their labor. Ergo the man who is relatively poorer in West Virginia can still pick up a relatively quality lawyer for the West Virginia court. And then we have to remember since WV is a poor state, they don't have the resources to waste time with cases that aren't open and shut. So I wouldn't be surprised to hear about state prosecutors outright failing due to time and resource constraints.

>>85603371
>Implying vikings didn't trade with them
Okay kid

Kikes ran the slave trade. Now they make dumb tv shows and blame whites for it

>>85602180
>America's original sin
White people didn't invent slavery, they ended it.

>>85615277
Because we are the good guys of history. It taints our legacy as a perfect country. Other countries using slavery is to be expected because they are shit anyway

>>85615351
You keep focusing on convictions when I have already agreed that they aren't a good barometer of amount of rapes committed and instead I have focused on victimization surveys, which are far better barometers. Blacks still commit the same proportion of rapes according to these statistics.

Also your point completely falls apart when you consider that Alaska has the highest rape per capita in the Union, so there goes the "urban rape more likely to be reported" theory

>>85615301

Mmm, if they somehow incorporated a reason for Europe to rejecting abolitionism for financial reasons then I could see a scenario where it could have been tolerated a while longer But that buys you some decades, maybe half a century, I don't know what would need to happen for it to be still accepted after that.

>>85615394
>America's original sin

I think it's just meant to be taken as the fault that existed at the time of independence, not that they originated it.

>>85615094
>So you would rather assume that victims of black rapes come forward and victims of white rapes don't...Why would you assume that victims of white rape victims are less likely to come forward than black rape victims?
For the reasons mentioned here >>85613308
>You are making this completely unfounded assumption, why?
Its not unfounded, its what the data says. Among REPORTED crimes, the majority of victims claim the perpetrator was black. Not that blacks committed more of all the rape that has occurred both known and unknown.
>But we're talking about rape arrests, not convictions when we examine the NCVS data.
Right, and rape arrests go to court. Blacks are more likely to be reported. This means they then are more likely to be arrested and taken to
court.

>>85615224
>Then why is the rape rate so much higher in Black Mississippi than White West Virginia? Is it because of all those urban population centers in Mississippi?
Probably, yes. Places like Jackson aren't as populous in total as many cities, but the population density inside the city itself is comparable. Ergo, more chance encounters for rape, relatively better response times from police, and again victims are more likely to report a black male. In Mississipi of all places, you can get a nigger's head delivered to you on a platter if he so much as steps out of line. Of course a rape victim will report a poor black harming them. Literally everyone will be in their corner.

>>85615142
Cool. Point out where I said Jim Crow is the reason for modern black problems.

>>85615459
>You keep focusing on convictions
Do you know what the word conviction means?
>instead I have focused on victimization surveys, which are far better barometers
They are not better barometers at all given that most rape goes unreported. Victimization surveys suggest that among the minute population of females that do report a rape, that those who reported a rape by a black male were more likely to come forward. It does not explicitly say that blacks commit more rapes. Nobody knows who's committing more rapes because the majority are unreported.
>Also your point completely falls apart when you consider that Alaska has the highest rape per capita in the Union, so there goes the "urban rape more likely to be reported" theory
In Alaska, most people live clustered where the work is and the place is full of sex starved men and a few female workers. Its hardly an apt comparison to the rest of the continental United States, but the idea does hold based on population density of these small towns of oil rig workers, and its exacerbated by the fact that there's a relatively large group of single and possibly sexually frustrated males in these towns, and females who have the means to defend themselves with no corresponding fear of the results of coming forward. People who live in Alaska tend to be the kind who move their for work, so its not particularly embarrassing or damaging to come forward and state what your coworker did if you know you can always go back to your family and friends back in the mainland and never talk about what happened.

>>85612832

>paying people to do an easy job for an hour once a week is slavery now

>>85615732
There is literally no reason that a rape victim wouldn't report a rape charge simply because their assailant might have been rich. I can make the same claim that black poor rape victims are less likely to report rape because they are more likely to be assaulted by their rapist if they have done so. There is a good chance that these rapists might get off but it makes absolutely no sense that the NCVS data would be different. You are making up excuses because you don't want to admit what is patently obvious.
>Its not unfounded, its what the data says. Among REPORTED crimes, the majority of victims claim the perpetrator was black. Not that blacks committed more of all the rape that has occurred both known and unknown.
You are making the assumption that black rapes are reported more than white rapes are. The likelihood is much better than rapes across the board are underreported, not that one rapist cohort is less likely to be reported on the NCVS than others. Especially not to the point where blacks are more than 3 times more likely to commit rape.
>Among REPORTED crimes, the majority of victims claim the perpetrator was black
Again, there is NO reason to think that this would be any different among unreported rapes
>Right, and rape arrests go to court.
Not the NCVS reports, these are anonymous surveys, not reports taken by police
>The Bureau of Justice Statistics' (BJS) National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) is the nation's primary source of information on criminal victimization. Each year, data are obtained from a nationally representative sample of about 90,000 households, comprising nearly 160,000 persons, on the frequency, characteristics, and consequences of criminal victimization in the United States.

>>85616139
>Victimization surveys suggest that among the minute population of females that do report a rape, that those who reported a rape by a black male were more likely to come forward.
And again there is NO FUCKING REASON to think that unreported rapes are not the exact same scenario. There is no reason to think that victims of white rapists aren't coming forward and victims of black rapists are.
>It does not explicitly say that blacks commit more rapes. Nobody knows who's committing more rapes because the majority are unreported.
It doesn't need to, these rapes are a representative sample of the total rapes committed that go unreported, there is no reason to assume or even think that any group of rapists separated by racial category are any more likely to be reported than others.

>>85604742
>I'm not seeing any search results

You are a massive fucking retard if you think the search engines return anything but the most popular (and thus shallow) information about the world, or even that the internet contains a fraction of real historical knowledge.

>>85610696
>a proper cut
of free money?
>uplifting the existing community
Whites are obligated to uplift everyone else?
>and in turn effectively displaces them
But wanting to keep crime down is racist?
>Its a very real problem
It's economics and it can't be stopped. Imagine if railroad towns from a century ago were still being kept afloat by welfare. But I guess if you chimp out hard enough you might be able to destroy whatever value was attracting money in the first place.

>>85611160
Brought by ....

>>85616725
>There is a good chance that these rapists might get off but it makes absolutely no sense that the NCVS data would be different.
Please see >>85613308.
Reasons are outlined here in plain english. Victims come forward when they are less likely to be questioned and they know they can get justice. I'm not just talking about rapists getting off in court, I'm stating that having connections and status coupled with embarrassment and questioning is a deterrent for a victim to even bother reporting. Which in turn would reflect on the NCVS data since no arrest would be made in the first place.
>You are making the assumption that black rapes are reported more than white rapes are. The likelihood is much better than rapes across the board are underreported, not that one rapist cohort is less likely to be reported on the NCVS than others. Especially not to the point where blacks are more than 3 times more likely to commit rape.
Agreed that rapes across the board are likely under reported, but due to the aformentioned reasons coupled with that under reporting, I am reluctant to say that showing up 3 times as often on the victimization chart explicitly means a group has committed 3 times the crime known and unknown. I am further reluctant to jump to this conclusion given some 80 percent of college campus rapes allegedly go unreported and college campuses are majority white, which off the bat would suggest a statistically significant chunk of white rape going unreported.
>Again, there is NO reason to think that this would be any different among unreported rapes
There is ample reason. One in particular being the college environment already mentioned. There is a huge environment of white rape that we all know for certain is going absolutely unreported, and at some of these places, there isnt even enough of a black population to make up the difference in rapes seen in the NCVS.

>>85617250
Seals

http://www.nature.com/news/seals-brought-tb-to-americas-1.15748

>>85616832
>And again there is NO FUCKING REASON to think that unreported rapes are not the exact same scenario
College non reports and population demographics of colleges.
>It doesn't need to, these rapes are a representative sample of the total rapes committed that go unreported, there is no reason to assume or even think that any group of rapists separated by racial category are any more likely to be reported than others.
I think that its logical to assume that rapists separated by class are more likely to be reported than others for reasons I've already discussed. Race just happens to align with that.

>>85617286
>that we all know for certain is going absolutely unreported
You can always tell when someone is trying to shore up a terrible argument by adding extra descriptors.

Your actual argument is this
>that I think are unreported

>>85617286
You keep referencing reasons for the disparity that you seem to have pulled out of your ass.

>>85617437
>I think that its logical to assume that rapists separated by class are more likely to be reported than others for reasons I've already discussed. Race just happens to align with that.
That's ridiculous though, especially when concerning the NCVS data since they aren't reporting rapes to the police in that data, it's a random sampling of US households. These reports are anonymous and they don't get reported to police or DAs, they are strictly for the Census Bureau to determine the extent of crime victimization, and these numbers directly correspond with the proportion of black vs. white rape reported by the UCR. You keep making up excuses for why blacks commit 3.5x more rape without coming to the obvious conclusion that maybe they just do?

>>85617438
>that I think are unreported
No, that the government says is unreported.
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/rsavcaf9513.pdf

>>85617455
>pulled out of my ass
https://ocrsm.umd.edu/files/Why-Is-Sexual-Assault-Under-Reported.pdf
People are actually scared to come forward about rape for various reasons. Thats a real thing. Its also a real thing that a poor person can't afford a good defense so you have less to fear of the justice system fucking you over and hanging you out to dry as a victim if you can just tell the police to arrest the guy you know isn't going to make bail and that nobody is going to question the legitimacy of your claim for. Ergo, the poorer group is going to get the shit end of the stick.

>>85617286
>I'm stating that having connections and status coupled with embarrassment and questioning is a deterrent for a victim to even bother reporting.
So why would a woman be more embarrassed about reporting rape from a higher class person than a lower class person? Your arguments make no sense.
>I am further reluctant to jump to this conclusion given some 80 percent of college campus rapes allegedly go unreported and college campuses are majority white, which off the bat would suggest a statistically significant chunk of white rape going unreported.
This would be making the assumption that colleges are different than real life, which is inaccurate. 18-22 year olds who don't attend college are either just as likely or more likely to commit rape as college students. The whole notion that colleges are a specifically rape-heavy area of the US is ridiculous. The notion that women on campus are less likely to report rape is equally nonsensical.
> There is a huge environment of white rape that we all know for certain is going absolutely unreported
No there is not, you would have to prove that college students are more likely to commit rape and get away with it than non-student 18-22 year olds. And blacks on campus are far more likely to commit rapes than whites:
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/rsavcaf9513.pdf

>>85617698
>People are actually scared to come forward about rape for various reasons. Thats a real thing
Yes, and there's no reason to think that blacks are more afraid to report rape than whites. Considering the fact that most rapists know their victim and the vast majority of rapes (like all crimes) are intraracial, it makes no sense that a black woman would be more likely to report rape against a black man than a white woman would be more likely to report to a white man for rape.

No one is (or at least should be) denying that a significant percentage of rapes go unreported. But when you're making the claim that white rapists are far more likely to get off than black rapists, that's where I have to call bullshit. Wouldn't black rape victims be less likely to report since they are less likely to trust police and judicial systems? This has made blacks less likely to report all types of crimes, so why is it the exact opposite in your mind when it comes to rape?

>>85617606
>it's a random sampling of US households.
No its not. The entire household is screen ahead of time, so familial rapes and other domestic crime will definitely go under reported, and the reports are done via interview with someone from the Census Bureau, so they actually aren't totally anonymous. The victim has to look the interviewer in the eye and say they were raped. So those who already came forward to police are going to make the same report on the NCVS they already made to police. So while its anonymized, it may simply be a major regurgitation of data with only a few new additions and most victims still staying quiet, especially familial rape victims.

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>>85617772
>So why would a woman be more embarrassed about reporting rape from a higher class person than a lower class person? Your arguments make no sense.
read the article you linked. Some are afraid of the legal battle and they know that the wealthier man has the means to defend himself and make the struggle harder. The poor man is getting locked up, not making bail, and you'll only ever see him again at the trial.
>This would be making the assumption that colleges are different than real life, which is inaccurate. 18-22 year olds who don't attend college are either just as likely or more likely to commit rape as college students. The whole notion that colleges are a specifically rape-heavy area of the US is ridiculous. The notion that women on campus are less likely to report rape is equally nonsensical.
Its not that they're rape heavy. Its that they're under reporting heavy.
>And blacks on campus are far more likely to commit rapes than whites
They are more likely to be accused. The same post you linked states 80% of students dont report while 67% of non students dont report. Theres a huge discrepancy in reporting among 18-22 year olds that go to college vs those that dont. Given demographic make up of colleges, this implies a significant amount of unreported white rape.

>>85617879
>Yes, and there's no reason to think that blacks are more afraid to report rape than whites.
There isn't any. In fact, I'd be inclined to believe blacks report rape more often than whites because they know the police will lock away an accused black rapist with no hesitation, and the guy wont have the means to even defend himself. Meanwhile, white women are more afraid to report rape by white males because they will immediately be met with questioning and the perpetrator is way more likely to make bail, threaten them, get a good defense, etc.

>But when you're making the claim that white rapists are far more likely to get off than black rapists, that's where I have to call bullshit. Wouldn't black rape victims be less likely to report since they are less likely to trust police and judicial systems?
Despite having less trust in the police and judicial system, they also know that that same system isn't going to back the black rapist. At that point, its using the system against the perpetrator, not necessarily having faith that the system has your back.
>This has made blacks less likely to report all types of crimes, so why is it the exact opposite in your mind when it comes to rape?
Because other types of crime might involve victimless things like marijuana use, or they might be a step too far like a gangland murder where the witness doesn't want to come forward because they don't believe they'll get adequate protection following testimony. Both situations are different from a one on one rape.

>>85617890
Again you still haven't shown any reason that NCVS reports are more likely to be lower class or black

You just simply don't want to come to the conclusion that blacks rape more than whites so you will always shift the goalposts

>>85618084
>Some are afraid of the legal battle and they know that the wealthier man has the means to defend himself and make the struggle harder. The poor man is getting locked up, not making bail, and you'll only ever see him again at the trial.
I think the likelihood that they can be beaten is probably more of a deterrent than the likelihood that the rapist has good legal counsel, and your link says precisely that. So why are you coming to the conclusion that legal counsel is something that enters a rape victim's mind moreso than the likelihood that they will face physical consequences?
>Its not that they're rape heavy. Its that they're under reporting heavy.
Just like the rest of the country. There's no reason to assume college students who rape are less likely to be reported than other 18-22 year olds who rape.
>They are more likely to be accused.
Because they are more likely to do it
>. The same post you linked states 80% of students dont report while 67% of non students dont report.
And again, what makes you think that rape victims are more likely to report black assailants than white? YOUR POSTS MAKE NO SENSE. YOU JUST DESPERATELY DON'T WANT TO FACE THE TRUTH.
>Given demographic make up of colleges, this implies a significant amount of unreported white rape.
No it does not, you simply don't want to face reality. A 15% rape reporting rate difference doesn't imply that those who report rape on college campuses are doing it only for one specific racial group nor does it account for the overwhelming (as I said earlier MORE THAN 3 TIMES AS LIKELY) rate that blacks commit more than whites.

I'm sorry that you want to believe in this fiction where rape is committed equally across the board but it doesn't exist.