Post Christian-kino here. Hacksaw Ridge has made me want to

>>85592982
Okay, you start.

This is trolling, right?

Silence

>>85592982
Was a good movie, although the I had my qualms with it, while the combat scenes were pretty, they were also quite dumb and cheesy. But if you alter your faith based on a movie like that you ought to reconsider.

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Thor has made me want to go back to my ancestors and worship the Allfather. Thank you based capeshit.

>>85593041
I'm gonna name my new dog Freya

>>85592982
It's 2017 wake up already. We are going to discover planets and not worship some man in the sky.

>>85593041
Odin has an eight-legged steed. Jesus rides a camel. I think it's clear who deserves praise here.

>>85593153
Jesus promised an end to bad people, Odin promised an end to Ice Giants. I'm not seeing very many ice giants around.

>>85593153
>Jesus rides a camel.

What bible are you reading? He rides a donkey.

>>85593153
Jesus rode a donkey you uneducated dumbfuck.

>>85592982
Wait I thought this was a romance flick

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7m2pUhjmis

Where my /agnostic/ niggas at?

tree of life
thin red line
I haven't seen the rest of his films but they must be true christian kino as well

>>85593211
there is a lot about faith in it obviously

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Guys, the best Christian Kino I've ever watched is Of Gods and Men.

It's a French film but it's GOAT Catholic kino. Give it a watch.

>An order of Trappist monks whose members include Christian (Lambert Wilson) and Luc (Michael Lonsdale) live among the Muslim population in a quiet corner of Algeria. As the country is plunged into civil war in the mid-1990s, the men of God must decide whether to stay among the impoverished residents who have been their neighbors, or flee the encroaching fundamentalist terrorists. The situation that unfolds, based on actual events, has tragic consequences.

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>>85592982

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I think this qualifies, great nonetheless

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>>85593153
>Jesus rides a camel
just you wait until jesus comes back with his army of angels riding a white horse, wielding a double edged sword, and wears a robe soaked in blood

>>85593804

That doesn't qualify at all.

>>85593173
Nice normie meme. Worse than reddit. Go back to Facebook.

>>85594169
>not dual wielding

>>85593747
Noah was shit and it shit on the Bible.

Cool Hand Luke

>>85594211
why? what do you think the message was?

>>85593628

This looks great.

Good post.

>>85593015
Silence was so good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT2yfzWrulY

>>85593126
terrible bait apparently not even a nibble

the real answer is obviously The Last Temptation of Christ but you're all from reddit so you wouldn't understand

>>85594246
It came from /b/ like 10 years ago newfag

>>85593002
No, its a meme. Thats different.

>>85594575
>>>/tumblr/

>>85593173
My wife's son, second cousin once removed liked your post.

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>>85594575
Nice try, """"scientists"""""

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>>85594592

>>85594781
for what it's worth i have a degree in physics and am very well studied in the field. it's difficult to explain prayer to someone who has never authentically attempted to do it, but i can assure you i repent for most of my prayers. psychologically what i'm doing is probably just introspecting, but the fact that it helps me to believe in god shouldn't bother you. i am not part of a hivemind of christians nor do i care for their political correctness. maybe you will see how you're a hypocrite someday.

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>>85592982

"Captain, my religious belief teaches me to feel as safe in battle as in bed. God has fixed the time for my death. I do not concern myself about that, but to be always ready, no matter when it may overtake me. Captain, that is the way all men should live, and then all would be equally brave."

>>85594901
>someone who has never authenically attempted to do it
Nice false assumption.

>>85594939
ok so you're a cynic. why does it bother you if people believe in god?

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>>85594300
>message

its just a bunch of italians being their vulgar selves starring an italian bill murray

whats there to get?

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>>85594953
Yeah man, let people believe in whatever they want. Who cares if it's real or not. What's the worst thing that can happen?

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>>85594953
Gee I wonder why an American would be bothered by Christianity?
Same reason I'm bothered by flat-earthers.

>>85595011
the world was bad before god had a part in it
>>85595024
>white mainline protestant
do you ever consider that you might be being willfully ignorant of the true power of faith?

>>85595078
The true power of faith is getting people to believe in extraordinary claims entirely without proof, and despite any and all proof to the contrary.

>>85595078
>before god
Like ... 5000 BC or something? Are you fucking serious right now

>>85595078
I would be easy to convince with any verifiable evidence of any religious claim.
What, on the other hand, would convince you that YOU might be wrong? Probably nothing. That's "faith".

>>85593015

Silence was probably the best movie of 2016

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>>85593173

Paganism as you almost certainly imagine it IS jewish propaganda. It is a construct made up by Jewish-dominated past-Enlightenment academia that has almost fucking nothing in common with what even ancient Greeks, never mind practicers of paganisms from which very little survived to our day, like that of the Norse, actually believed. It was made up to seem anything more than a collection of bloody and incosistent superstitions specifically to undermine Christianity.

Take a look at the most advanced paganism in history, Hinduism. A small bunch of Christian adventurers BTFOed a whole sub-continent its adherents and their descendants only failed to kept India under their thumb due to events that flowed from the Europe abandoning Christianity. Hinduism also was not very successful at teaching people to poo in loo of course.

>>85595125
no it's not. people need to be herded it doesn't matter what most people believe as long as someone knows the truth.
>>85595127
i meant before humans did things in the name of the christian god. you're acting like atheists haven't done anything bad. people's poor choices aren't god's fault.
>>85595151
i doubt the existence of god every day of my life

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>>85595151

One of the many amazing prophecies of Jesus Christ from the Old Testament is that of verse 1 from Psalm 22:

>"O God my God, look upon me: why hast thou forsaken me?"

Many people have said, "Jesus said God has forsaken him on the cross, how could he be the Messiah?"
Jesus was invoking Psalm 22 on the cross. The Psalm was wrote around 1,000 years before Christ was born.

This is significant because a few verses later in the same Psalm it says this:

>"They have pierced my hands and feet."

Some renderings have it;

>"they have torn holes in my hands and my feet"

Strange. It would appear that Jesus Christ invoked a Psalm wrote 1,000 years before He was born that seemed to tell of His very unique death, crucifixion; which did not even exist at the time Psalm 22 was wrote.

Psalm 22 goes on to say:

>"They parted my garments amongst them; and upon my vesture they cast lots."

This is another strange coincidence. It is known that the Roman soldiers gambled, or "cast lots" on Christ's garments as He was being crucified. If Christ was utterly out of His depths and defeated; why does this Psalm--that was invoked as He was in unimaginable pain--foretell of exact circumstances of the very death He was experiencing? Circumstances that no one could have known?

Not only this, Psalm 22 ends by foretelling the great rise of Christendom, which was achieved based on the very death that Christ Himself was experiencing, that the Psalm undeniably addresses:

>"All the ends of the earth shall remember, and shall be converted to the Lord: And all the kindreds of the Gentiles shall adore in his sight."

Remember, at the time of Christ, only one tribe was expecting a Messiah. This Psalm called forth by Christ on the cross predicts His death to an exactitude, and it just happens to predict the unprecedented worldwide conversion based on this death.

How do atheists explain this away?

>>85595211
strawmanning ignorant people who claim to be followers of god isn't a compelling argument against religion

>>85595151

Only atheists think in terms of science vs religion. Think of it this way, science is the measure and study of the physical using observation and experimentation. By it's very nature it cannot presume to offer any substantial view on the metaphysical. You cannot materially quantify the immaterial. It's like looking through a microscope and trying to find an atom of justice or a molecule of mercy.

I hope you see why you're being fallacious.

>>85593628
Thanks friend, I'll give it a watch.

>>85595268
Actually it's religious people who are constantly at war with science. Atheists just think they're dumb and mostly don't bother arguing with them that the world isn't 6000 years old because that's dumb. Dawkins must have the patience of a saint to put up with any of these morons.

>>85595312
>Actually it's religious people who are constantly at war with science
some religious people. many religious people, myself included, are scientists. you're making too many generalizations.

>>85595211

>He says, while literally believing the atheism fairy magically exploded nothing into everything, for no reason, and had it magically form sentient life.

So what you're basically saying is you have no understanding of Christianity, and know all you know about history from Family Guy.

Plebbit was a mistake.

>>85595243
OT prophecy has been thoroughly debunked already. Many of them don't refer to the messiah. Some do refer to the messiah and were unfulfilled, and others were retconned in after the fact.

In 3 of 4 of the gospels Corinius is govener of Judea and orders a census of the known world, in the other its Herod, 30-40 years apart, but also ordered a census. This gives Jesus of Nazareth a convenient backstory for having a reason to be born in Bethlehem as prophesied. Unfortunately, there is no historical record of
any census ever occurring because it never happened under any Roman governor of any province let alone Judea.

This is not a verifiable religious claim. Words in religious texts are not proof.

>>85592982
MelGibsonKino

>>85593002
Yes. This thread has been posted every day this week.

>>85593124
>not naming it Fenrir
Wouldn't it be more suited?

>>85595312

>The world is 6000 years old

I notice that you didn't address my point that science can't offer any explanation on the metaphysical. Why is that?

Also, that's a strawman. It's well accepted by modern Christians that God caused the Big Bang. It was first devised by Catholic Priest and Physcist George's Lemitre you understand.

Fedoras of the day hated the idea, because it points to the idea of a creator. All the cool atheists back then thought the universe was eternal. They had maths 'proving' it and everything. But then they realised LeMotre was right, and have spent the last 50 years trying to show how a Big Bang can happen without a creator. They gave up in the end as said 'well it's impossible to know how it happened, but we know what happened 0.0000002 seconds AFTER, so obviously it doesn't matter how it happened'

Can you see the irony?

>>85592982
Totally serious: Kevin Smith's Dogma

>>85595268
>you can't put god in a test tube
You can't keep him out of one either.
If the metaphysical exists, it has properties, and if those properties are immeasurable and invisible they are indistinguishable from nothing.

>>85595379
Blame Dunkirk comparisons for that.

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>>85595347
That old toast meme really triggered a couple of you guys huh?
I didn't post it but my father is a pastor and I've read the bible cover to cover as well as attending 20 years of church and going to church camp. You're welcome to argue with me if you like.

>>85595347
No, actually I believe the Atheism fairy exploded god into existence. Where else could a human deity have come from? Certaintly not humans.

>>85595402
Sure it can. We don't know where consciousness and emotion come from yet but they're part of the natural universe and can be scientifically explained. There's no magic here.

>>85595402
Can your science or your religion offer any explaination of the Zytophysical? The Zytophysical transcends all possible realities. Prove it doesn't exist!!!1

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>>85595369

>Saying something is debunked means it's debunked
>Eye witness accounts are not proof

Hoo boy we got a live one. Remember, belief in the Risen Christ has changed the world more than any other force in history, as was His manifest destiny. It is the only belief system that has miracles happening to this day, the Miracle of the Sun and the Fatima revelations happened within the last century, and the only logically consistent tying up of thousands of years worth of prophecies.

Can you prove the atheism fairy magically exploded nothing into everything, for no reason, and had it magically form sentient life? I bet I've more proof for my world view than you do yours.

>>85595442

>We know where emotion comes from

Fundamentally untrue. Can you prove, for example, that the physical changes in the brain are the causes of emotion and not a physical byproduct of the metaphysical process of experiencing emotion?

Of course not. Like all materialists you confuse effect as cause.

>>85595476

My religion literally explains everything, fedora. Your passive aggressive sarcasm only lets slip your own lack of faith in your belief.

>>85595574
I said we don't know. Read slower.
That doesn't make it magic.

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>>85595442

>Don't know where it came from
>Can't explain or quantify consciousness

>See proof no God

Are all atheicucks brainlets?

Atheism is the fastest shrinking religion in the world. Atheism is in decline worldwide, with the number of atheists falling from 4.5% of the world's population in 1970 to 2.0% in 2010 and projected to drop to 1.8% by 2020,

Real surveys and statistics say atheism is on the decline worldwide. Sorry atheists but atheism is not on the rise nor is it winning. It's still the minority and a declining one at that.

The Pew Research Center's statistics show that atheism is expected to continue to decline all the way into 2050 with a continued growth of religion. Other research also shows a huge surge in growth for Christianity in China which is currently the world's most "atheist" nation because of the atheist communist government suppressing religion, the research suggests that China will soon become the world's most Christian nation within 15 years.

This is simply history repeating itself: Christianity prospered in Rome back in the ancient era when it was suppressed and it still grew in the militant atheist soviet Russia when it was suppressed there only a century ago with the majority of Russians today now also identifying as Christian. Just goes to show that atheist suppression of religion still doesn't stop religion.

Sources for the legion of whiny /Redditor/ fedoras that will no doubt show up it this thread:

http://www.pewforum.org/2015/04/02/religious-projections-2010-2050/
http://www.pewforum.org/2012/12/18/global-religious-landscape-unaffiliated/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10776023/China-on-course-to-become-worlds-most-Christian-nation-within-15-years.html
http://masterrussian.com/russia/facts.htm

>>85595626

God isn't 'magic', claiming he is only shows your lack of understanding.

He's a fundamental force. Would you describe morality as magic?

>>85595641
No. They're just trying to make sense of things and haven't found God. We can pray for them.

>>85595538
Muhammad Split the moon. There were thousands of witnesses--only none of them outside the immediate area. I guess that means its true.

The "eyewitness accounts" in the gospels come nearly 100 years after christ and contradict each other wildly. One includes 500 zombies that go around jerusalem preaching to people, yet it isn't recorded anywhere else.

And no I'm not just asserting those claims are debunked without evidence. Go look for yourself. A ton of bible scholars even agree. Here's an essay by good old founding father Thomas Paine for starters: http://www.deism.com/paine_essay_false_prophecies_of_jesus_1.htm

Theres also a mountain of scientific evidence about the big bang. Just because I don't believe a human diety created the universe doesn't mean it has no explanation. If I thought that Zeus didn't hurl lightning bolts thousands of years ago did that mean i thought the atheism fairy created lightning?

>>85595626

>If I can't explain something it must be magic

So atheists are literally a parody f themselves at this point...

>>85595688
Fundamental force what is this bullshit
Science is everything that is real. If God is real he's part of science and can be scientifically explained. If he's not part of reality then he's just pretend. Chose.

>>85595606
Explain where god came from, or how its possible for god to always exist, or the physical/metaphysical process that occurs during miracles.

>>85595726
You're a fucking moron who can't comprehend even the most simple posts. That's the Christian position. Kill yourself.

>>85595712

>There's a ton of evidence for the big bang

There's a ton of evidence for Christ, the force that changed the world more than any other force. Miracles, the whole subjective experience of giving yourself to Him and being changed by the Holy spirit, etc. It's not just blind faith, there is a palpable difference.

The problem with your (((argument))) is that no natural laws can explain the existence of anything. There is no cause for a beginning or the organization thereafter.

If there is a beginning there has to be a cause. We know there was a beginning. We also know that nothing creates nothing. So why is there anything at all?

Not only does the universe exist but it is finely tuned for our existence, and not just from an evolutionary standpoint, but that the very fundamental forces of nature (gravity, strong and weak nuclear force, electromagnatism) are perfectly in tune for the physical to exist as it does.

The multiverse and computer simulation theories exist to explain away this paradox. They are based on zero facts. There is no evidence that supports these theories.

Occam's razor would suggest it was created by intelligence that exists outside of time.

>>85595730
There's nothing on this world that can force people to accept that proposition as an axiom. We're fundamentally free to believe.

>>85595655
>more people believing in something means its true
I guess Apollo existed then? Hinduism must be the one true religion because its the biggest AND the oldest.

>>85595712

Paine's essays are purely opinion, and the evidence behind them is based on very loose translation of a handful of the hundred of other prophecies that Paine couldn't explain away with poor logic.

It's a discredited fedora pipe dream.

>>85595822
So don't you think God could explain how he came to exist? He's either part of reality or he isn't. Surely if he knows all he could explain how he came to exist right?

>>85595836
I'm not even sure what this argument means?

>>85595874
I don't see why I would need to accept that proposition

If you can prove miracles to me I'll believe.

I don't know the answers to those big questions, science is still asking. We may never know.

Occam's razor requires LESS assumptions. An intellignece that exists outside time is a huge ball of assumptions that raises way more questions that it answers.

>>85595730

Science is a measure of the physical. Nothing more. The scientific method is logical method of investigation on the physical, sure, but how can it offers any insight into the metaphysical? Anything at all? It can't. It's not what it's for.

Think about it for a second and you'll see how ignorant your position is.

>>85595753

Life is direct evidence of God...

1. Everything that exists has an explanation of its existence, either in the necessity of its own nature or in an external cause.
2. If the universe has an explanation of its existence, that explanation is God.
3. The universe exists.
4. Therefore, the universe has an explanation of its existence (from 1, 3).
5. Therefore, the explanation of the universe’s existence is God (from 2, 4).

1. Everything that begins to exist has a cause.
2. The universe began to exist.
3. Therefore, the universe has a cause.

1. If God does not exist, objective moral values and duties do not exist.
2. Objective moral values and duties do exist.
3. Therefore, God exists.

1. The fine-tuning of the universe is due to either physical necessity, chance, or design.
2. It is not due to physical necessity or chance.
3. Therefore, it is due to design.

1. It is possible that a maximally great being exists.
2. If it is possible that a maximally great being exists, then a maximally great being exists in some possible world.
3. If a maximally great being exists in some possible world, then it exists in every possible world.
4. If a maximally great being exists in every possible world, then it exists in the actual world.
5. If a maximally great being exists in the actual world, then a maximally great being exists.
6. Therefore, a maximally great being exists.

1. If the multiverse doesn't exist, there is sufficient scientific reason to believe life is naturally impossible.
2. Stephen Hawking and many other science cucks are advocates for the existence of the multiverse for this reason, and such lends the theory credence.
3. If the multiverse exists, all possibilities exist.
4. If all possibilities exist, God exists.
5. If God exists in any universe, being God, He necessarily exists in all universes.
6. It is by definition impossible to negate God.
7. If scientists like Steven Hawking are right about the existence of the multiverse then God exists.

>>85595758

You can't understand God, and therefore claim Him to be magic. No Christian thinks God is a magic man in the sky, that's an atheist assumption because they've never really thought about it.

>>85595912
Can anything offer insight into the metaphysical if science can't? What about the hypermeatphysical, and the transhypermetaphsical, and the omnitranshypermetaphysical, etc.?

If so many of religious claims have been shown to be false over time (like zeus hurling lightning bolts) where is the evidence that sitting around thinking about angels and spirit guides and leilines and dieities has ever gotten anyone closer to the truth? Can't they all be wrong?

>>85595874

He can do anything, but the purpose of man isn't to question, it's to serve. God is the ultimate source of all Good and Morality in the world. Thinking in only physical terms of creation, with your 110 IQ, will never reveal anything to you you don't already want to see. It's pure confirmation bias.

>>85595900
Well you don't have to accept any proposition. You can believe in unicorns and fairies. Free country. Enjoy!

>>85596007
Don't tell me what my purpose is faggot, fuck you and your magic sky fairy. You can suck a dick and Jesus can lick my hairy taint and choke on the fumes.

>>85595912
You've made zero valid points here.

>>85595947
Pure sophistry
An elementary school student's understanding of logic > these fallacious arguments.

>>85595909

Not at all, it's the simplest solution. Everything physical needs a cause, and the entropy in any system will always increase, that simply causality.

If every physical thing needs a cause, then the ultimate cause must be meta(beyond) physical.

That proves the existence of God to me. I choose to believe that God is the God of Abraham because of the change and domination that belief has had on the world (manifest destiny, as you would expect) and the subjective positive changes opening my life to Christ has had.

Your position that 'we dint know so it could be a flying spaghetti monster' just shows how little you've thought about what is literally the only important thing in life.

>>85595369

Lol. The Old Testament is full of prophecies proving Jesus was divine; fitting the prophecy exactly.

The fact that you don't think "they pierced my hands and feet" in the midst of describing a slow death and then that the soldiers gambled on His clothes isn't directly narrating the events on the cross is astounding.

Go and read all of psalm 22. The Old Testament also predicts Jesus would be betrayed, silent before his accusers, a sacrifice for the son of mankind, born of a virgin, born in Bethlehem, would ride into Jerusalem on an ass, would be called a Nazarene, would pray for His murderers, would be forced to drink vinegar etc... We know the dates of these texts. And we know the historical accuracy of Jesus' life and death. Jesus was the Son of God, and these verses alone prove the bible is divine.

It seems people just don't want to believe the truth.

>>85596087

Shouldn't be too hard to offer a counter argument than should it, fedora?

>>85596102
>the simplest solution
An all powerful
all knowing (these are mutually exclusive and can't logically coexist in the same being)
maximally great being
outside of space and time
yet exists in all of space and all of time
created everything that exists execpt or including itself
the only thing in existence that doesnt "require a cause"
etc. etc.

Yeah its so simple and not at all a contrived ad hoc explanation for shit we can't even begin to comprehend with our tiny ape brains.

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>>85596048

>Jesus can lick my hairy taint and choke on the fumes.

For someone who's so secure in your world view, you sure seem sore at losing an argument.

Why do you think that is?

Ctrl-F: No Malick

I'm an atheist, but even I can see that Mailck is your greatest director.

I am glad I grew out of atheism. Gone are the days where I am isolated and friendless.

>>85596131
https://www.torahresource.com/EnglishArticles/Ps22.16.pdf

not even about jesus
>inb4 (((jews)))

>>85596086

'Science cannot offer any insight into the metaphysical because that's not it's purpose' was my point. It's not a difficult position to understand.

Offer a counter argument as to why I'm wrong, that's how this works.

>>85596240
>things life long Christians say #429

But, hey, Jesus was all about being full of shit right?

>>85596006

>So many religious claims have been shown to be false.

Exactly. There can be only one religion. Man has always searched for God, but His design involved coming to each and dying in the cross.

I believe that because

1. The chain of custody is sound, the story doesn't change over time.
2. There was stuff in the Bible that was later confirmed by archeology(places, people, etc.)
3. There are even non-believers' accounts of some stuff Jesus did, just from them you can know a lot about Jesus if you piece it all together.
4. The differences between gospels aren't a bad sign, because witnesses rarely agree on stuff. If every eyewitness would say the same thing, it would be very fishy and would mean they probably talked to each other at one point.
5. The apostles died without getting rich, getting a girlfriend or getting power, they all died horribly. There was no point in spreading Christianity if they didn't believe in it. Why would they risk their life if it wasn't true? Why would they risk their life if it was all forged? Why would Paul try to join this new small church?
Also the only accounts of Romans getting Christians to change their faith was after the 1st century. No account of eyewitnesses ever changing their story.

Now that's purely subjective, I agree. I'm not offering that as proof. It's just a small part of my thought process as I couldn't fit the whole thing in before the limit cap. But it's a better position than just assuming 'hurr God isn't real' and then not being able to logically explain why you feel that way.

>>85596267
I'm not him, but I agree with you. Science asks how, while religion asks why. They aren't incompatible. Full-disclosure, I'm a non-believer, but I don't discount the contributions of Christianity that effect me. They have always been positive personally. Can't really say that about other religions mainly because they have no effect because I'm not exposed to their adherents, but Christians have always been good people in my anecdotal experience.

>>85596006

I believe in a God because it seems like the most logical explanation for the universe. I believe Christ is that God because first of all He left us conscience, the sense of right and wrong: and all through history there have been people trying (some of them very hard) to obey it. None of them ever quite succeeded.

Secondly, He sent the human race what I call good dreams: I mean those stories
scattered all through the heathen religions about a god who dies and comes to life again and, by his death, has somehow given new life to men. Thirdly,
He selected one particular people and spent several centuries hammering into
their heads the sort of God He was -that there was only one of Him and that He cared about right conduct. Those people were the Jews, and the Old Testament gives an account of the hammering process.

Then comes the real shock. Among these Jews there suddenly turns up a man who goes about talking as if He was God. He claims to forgive sins. He says He has always existed. He says He is coming to judge the world at the end of time. Now let us get this clear. Among Pantheists, like the Indians, anyone might say that he was a part of God, or one with God: there would be nothing very odd about it. But this man, since He was a Jew, could not mean that kind of God. God, in their language, meant the Being outside the world Who had made it and was infinitely different from anything else. And when you have grasped that, you will see that what this man said was, quite simply, the most shocking thing that has ever been uttered by human lips.

Couple that with the way the world has changed because of this belief and I have enough grounds to say that Christ is King.

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>>85595947

>1. Everything that exists has an explanation of its existence, either in the necessity of its own nature or in an external cause.

this doesn't make any sense. things exist. we describe them with concepts and language. the explanation themselves are not part of the thing's essence.

>2. The universe began to exist.

we don't know this is true. you've assumed it as part of your pre existing beliefs.

>2. It is not due to physical necessity or chance.

again, you haven't justified this at all.

>2. If it is possible that a maximally great being exists, then a maximally great being exists in some possible world.
>3. If a maximally great being exists in some possible world, then it exists in every possible world.

i honestly don't understand what you mean here. are you talking about platonic concepts existing in a physical world? i don't know if that's what plato believed but i don't think anyone actually believes that as of now.

>1. If the multiverse doesn't exist, there is sufficient scientific reason to believe life is naturally impossible.

what is sufficient scientific reason? needs justification

>7. If scientists like Steven Hawking are right about the existence of the multiverse then God exists.

too lazy to look it up but i believe this is argument from authority.

>>85596239
pretty sad, really.

>>85596178

An all knowing all powerful God is the only kind of God that can exist, fedora. Please post your silly Epicurean quite so we can dissect it line by line.

>>85596429
>pretty sad, really.

What was sad about what I said?

>>85596205
>DURR HURR I WIN THE ARGUMENT
Okay pal enjoy your imaginary friend, I'm sure he loves you.

>>85593015

A poignant movie, but a bit of a letdown, coming from Scorsese. Still enjoyed it a lot though.

>>85596267
Tell me how the existence of god explains the metaphysical.

>>85596429

The first point is the most important one, and one you've fundamentally misunderstood.

Everything physical needs a cause, and the entropy in any system will always increase, that simply causality.

If every physical thing needs a cause, then the ultimate cause must be meta(beyond) physical

>>85596453
that he wasn't posted. malick can be heavy handed but i really like his films and i always find them moving.

>>85595947
1. Everything that exists has an explanation of its existence, either in the necessity of its own nature or in an external cause.
sure
2. If the universe has an explanation of its existence, that explanation is God.
no
3. The universe exists.
yes
4. Therefore, the universe has an explanation of its existence (from 1, 3).
sure but it doesn't mean god exist
5. Therefore, the explanation of the universe’s existence is God (from 2, 4).
no

1. Everything that begins to exist has a cause.
no
2. The universe began to exist.
yes
3. Therefore, the universe has a cause.
no

1. If God does not exist, objective moral values and duties do not exist.
morals can exist without a god
2. Objective moral values and duties do exist.
yes
3. Therefore, God exists.
see 1.

1. The fine-tuning of the universe is due to either physical necessity, chance, or design.
necessity and chance, sure. design, no
2. It is not due to physical necessity or chance.
you just said it was because of physical necessity and/or chance
3. Therefore, it is due to design.
no it isn't

1. It is possible that a maximally great being exists.
2. If it is possible that a maximally great being exists, then a maximally great being exists in some possible world.
3. If a maximally great being exists in some possible world, then it exists in every possible world.
4. If a maximally great being exists in every possible world, then it exists in the actual world.
5. If a maximally great being exists in the actual world, then a maximally great being exists.
6. Therefore, a maximally great being exists.
i'm just going to summarize all of these here.a "maximally" "great" being is as possible as a human with telekinetic powers

>>85596485

Still no argument, I see.

And thank you. He loves you too.

>>85596486
I enjoyed it, and thought it was one of his better movies of late. Seriously though directors have a shelf life, and I think Martin should look to retire soon lest he becomes like Ridley.

>>85596559
1. If the multiverse doesn't exist, there is sufficient scientific reason to believe life is naturally impossible.
we don't have enough evidence to suggest life is naturally impossible or possible, and i don't see how a multiverse correlates with life being impossible
2. Stephen Hawking and many other science cucks are advocates for the existence of the multiverse for this reason, and such lends the theory credence.
not everyone agrees with the theory of a multiverse
3. If the multiverse exists, all possibilities exist.
no, if a multiverse exists then they all would have to adhere to the same laws as our own universe
4. If all possibilities exist, God exists.
not all possibilities exist
5. If God exists in any universe, being God, He necessarily exists in all universes.
if god existed he would also have to follow the laws of physics and would therefore not exist
6. It is by definition impossible to negate God.
if he existed
7. If scientists like Steven Hawking are right about the existence of the multiverse then God exists.
if a multiverse existed the other universes would have to follow the same laws as our universe or they wouldn't be able to exist and therefore god wouldn't exist

>>85596561
I have an argument, I just deem you to be too fucking retarded to discuss anything with. Say hi to your imaginary friend for me.

>>85596556
Ohhh, my bad my man. I thought you were quoting another post I made. I can see how Malick is heavy handed emotionally, but what I appreciate about him is that I can enjoy his movies as a non-believer. He isn't proselytizing.

>>85596515

Once again you're mistaking cause and effect.

The existence of the physical implies the metaphysical, and physical creation of something from nothing breaks the fundamentals laws of the physical universe (namely the second law of thermodynamics).

The existence of the metaphysical, and the existence of morality, the ultimate sense of right and wrong that effects all people, implies the existence of an arbitor. One who's oversight of morality we are all bound to.

That something binds us to the metaphysical in such an innately human way implies the existence of God.

>>85596646
>The existence of the metaphysical, and the existence of morality, the ultimate sense of right and wrong that effects all people, implies the existence of an arbitor. One who's oversight of morality we are all bound to
Wrong

>>85596559

>1. Everything that begins to exist has a cause.
>no

Yeah before I read any further you're gonna need to elaborate on that.

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>>85596600

>I have an argument, I just deem you to be too fucking retarded to discuss anything with

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YESSS GOOD GOY! WORSHIP A DEAD KIKE ON A STICK! MAKE SURE TO BE MEEK AND COMPLACENT, THIS IS WHAT YESHUA WOULD'VE WANTED. HEHE TURN THE OTHER CHEEK, GOY YOU WILL INHERIT THE EARTH AFTER DEATH I PROMISE...BUT MEANWHILE RENDER YOUR SHEKELS UNTO MR GOLDBERG OH AND MAKE SURE YOU ACCEPT THOSE POOR REFUGEES, ITS A CHRISTIAN THING TO DO

>>85596666

Protip: If you don't explain why it makes it look like you can't, and are just butthurt about losing an argument

>>85596710
>fedora meme from eight years ago
Looks like you're the one with no argument friendo

>>85596732

>Jesus
>Kike

During His lifetime, no persons were described as "Jews" anywhere. That fact is supported by theology, history and science. When Jesus was in Judea, it was not the "homeland" of the ancestors of those who today style themselves "Jews". Their ancestors never set a foot in Judea. They existed at that time in Asia, their "homeland", and were known as Khazars. In none of the manuscripts of the original Old or New Testament was Jesus described or referred to as a "Jew". The term originated in the late eighteenth century as an abbreviation of the term Judean and refers to a resident of Judea without regard to race or religion, just as the term "Texan" signifies a person living in Texas.

In spite of the powerful propaganda effort of the so-called "Jews", they have been unable to prove in recorded history that there is one record, prior to that period, of a race religion or nationality, referred to as "Jew". The religious sect in Judea, in the time of Jesus, to which self-styled "Jews" today refer to as "Jews", were known as "Pharisees". "Judaism" today and "Pharisaism" in the time of Jesus are the same.

Jesus abhorred and denounced "Pharisaism"; hence the words, "Woe unto you Scribes and Pharisees, Hypocrites, Ye Serpents, Ye Generation of Vipers".

>>85596710
The guy you were replying to was an asshole, but can we not include fedora memes in this discussion? I feel there's some good dialogue happening here.

>>85596732

>(Revelation 2:9) ‘I know your tribulation and poverty—but you are rich—and the blasphemy by those who say they themselves are Jews, and yet they are not but are a synagogue of Satan.

>(Revelation 3:9) Look! I will give those from the synagogue of Satan who say they are Jews, and yet they are not but are lying—look! I will make them come and do obeisance before your feet and make them know I have loved you.

Any so-called Jew that refuses to acknowledge Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah is Satanic and anti-Christ. By God's point of view, the Jew is a chosen one of God that acknowledges his arrangements.

The ancient Jews were not (((Jews))). They were Israelites. What made Israelites unique was their genealogy. They could trace their lineages back to Abraham, Isaac and Israel. After the Seige of Jerusalem in 70 AD all geneaological records were destroyed and all Israelites disbanded. The (((Jews))) of our time are imposters who claim a link to the original Israelites but have none because they cannot trace their lineage back to them at all.

>>85596759
Holy shit, where do you get this crap from? Judaic history is pretty well documented.

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>>85596759
this. jesus was a shitskin

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>>85596766

I love how the fedora meme is like atheist Kryptonite

I want an explanation on why Hacksaw Ridge is good. Because when I watched it, I found it to be complete trash in every aspect. The acting is poor, the action is laughable, and the entire film itself feels like a shitty version of FMJ.

Is it just because it's made by some asshole?

>>85596735
Sure. So god is apparently the arbiter of right and wrong. You know what, kids being born with HIV in Africa and getting raped when they're six years old and dying after a painful and tortured existence is wrong. God allowing that is wrong. I proclaim myself arbiter and I proclaim him a moral failure. I'm superior to this God person you describe and I refuse him as arbiter of right and wrong in the universe. There is no reason that this god person is arbiter of anything. Right and wrong exist without him. If he did exist he should be punished for his failure, fortunately he doesn't so we don't need to worry about it.

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>>85596820

That image was made by Jews at the University of Tel Aviv.

Christ was a Nazarene

>>85596827
No, it like all memes are for people who have no new insight. Save it for a capeshit thread.

>>85596827
>people stop talking to me when I post this reddit meme from 2009, I must be winning!
This is the power of Jesus I guess, this is the best his flock can muster.

>>85596855
I don't see how that discredits the pic.

>>85596855
He still probably looked similar. Whiteys can't accept that he wasn't a blonde blue eyed pale skin.

>>85596838

God didn't give those children AIDS, the free will of their parents did. God created the system, and gave use rules in order to have a happy life. If we decide to do things that impact others, even those that don't exist yet, than that's just proving a fundamental point that actions have consequences.

Luckily, they're only physical consequences, and while the body may be injured the soul is unharmed. Those babies may have a horrible few years on earth, but when they die they will inherit Glory in paradise.

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>>85596820
>a brown shitskin-kike hybrid pacifist is being worshipped by gun loving racists

The original korean war era film was better. Rickshaw Fridge.

>>85596646
if god existed he would violate the second law of thermodynamics

>>85596914
It's unfortunate that this god person is so useless and impotent. What an incredibly shitty job he's doing.

>>85596898
Do you really trust (((them)))?

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Without God we wouldn't have these good memes tho

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>>85596881

Pretty sure the conversation ended with this post,

>>85596048

which was very much a butthurt fedora being unable to offer a counter argument.

Having some fun at his expense is my victory spoil. I didn't offer any fedora memes when we actually debated, only when he conceded like a fag and resorted to insults

>>85596965
You base your religion around one of (((them)))

>>85596965
Jesus was a Jew. This is fact. Do you not trust him? He certainly wouldn't have thought of himself as anything but Jewish.

>>85596921
>>85596907

From a letter to Tiberius Caesar

>of the Romans than of the Jews. One day I observed in the midst of a group of people a young man who was leaning against a tree, calmly addressing the multitude. I was told it was Jesus. This I could easily have suspected so great was the difference between Him and those who were listening to Him. His golden colored hair and beard gave to his appearance a celestial aspect. He appeared to be about 30 years of age. Never have I seen a sweeter or more serene countenance. What a contrast between Him and His bearers with their black beards and tawny complexions! Unwilling to interrupt Him by my presence, I continued my walk but signified to my secretary to join the group and listen.

Educate yourself, kikes.

http://www.thenazareneway.com/likeness_of_our_saviour.htm

>>85596954

Technically it's because we aren't doing our jobs, and are transgressing the moral laws He put in place for us.

>>85596533
why are you saying explanation, then? that's needlessly confusing. just say cause.

>If every physical thing needs a cause, then the ultimate cause must be meta(beyond) physical

maybe i need to read some philosophy to understand what you're talking about but i simply don't understand how this is true. why dismiss the possibility that the universe doesn't begin and only changes form?

>>85596914
>free will

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+9&version=KJV

>>85593015
I read the novel in anticipation of the movie, but I liked the novel so much that I never felt like the movie would do it justice. How does it compare?

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>>85597021
>thenazareanway

WE

>>85597039
This god gets more useless all the time. What does he do again? Oh right, he sits up in heaven and says what's right and what's wrong. What a helpful guy. It's not like any one of us couldn't do that, thank god for God, wow he's sure helpful.

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>>85597021
Source on that being real? Thats right its not.

Here are some locals that could be similar to what Jesus's people would have looked like

>>85597041

Sorry, I'll try to explain it simpler. Energy or matter cannot be created or destroyed, that is a fundamental law of physics. And yet matter does exist, as does energy. If it couldn't have come from a physical system, then the genesis must have been metaphysical.

That's not an argument in making for a Christian God, mind you. It's just points to the existence of the metaphysical.

And free will, proposed by Christian theologians since ever, was never supposed to break a law of physics, since causation was the Christian main proof of God. Free will was simply a synonymous of human intelligence, free will is the ability to choose between different possible courses of action. A bee has less free will than a pitbull who has less free will than a irrational human, who has less free will than me. As much as you hate bees and pitbulls, you have to rationally understand that they are not equipped with much of a brain that evaluates different courses of action as you do.

Yes, God knows what we will do with our Free Will, but that doesn't take the onus of responsibility from you.

>>85597021
How can you be so anti-Semitic when your god is a Jewish god? Do you think Elohim would welcome that?

>>85597074

>He thinks God is a man that sits in the clouds and micromanages everything

I refuse to believe you're the same person I've been debating with for the last hour.

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>>85597021
>image built upon examining actual skulls from the time vs a forged letter with no credibility

really gets your brain going

>>85597157
>genesis must have been metaphysical
=
>we can't explain it so it's magic
You have no proof that the universe ever existed in a state without matter or energy so your whole premise is complete bull.

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>>85597166

Modern Jews are Pharisees that Christ warned us about.

See

>>85596781

>>85597180
I don't think he micromanages anything. I don't think he does anything at all in fact because he isn't there. If he was there and he disappeared right would still be right and wrong would still be wrong. There's no need for him. He's contributing nothing as far as I can tell.

>>85597217
Go show this to your friends on /pol/. they might appreciate it better

>>85597191
how can the shape of a skull tell you what color their hair and their skin was?

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>>85597191

That image was made by jews, based on skull fragments of others, and completely contradicts every other image including the Turin Shroud we have of Him.

You duplicitous kike.

>>85597191
>from the time

Not really, that's Post Arab Invasion, Middle East was much lighter back then

Still not blonde hair/blue eyed though, but he wasn't a shitskin arab

>>85597217
I understand about the Pharisees and Sadducees. I want you to recognize that Jesus was a Jew. Nothing more. There is no doubt about this what so ever.

>>85597258
>he and his team had to rely on ancient drawings found at archaeological sites throughout the region in order to estimate the appearance of his hair, eyes, and skin tone

>>85597266
>thinks the shroud of turin is real

not going to even bother with you any more, not even the Vatican claims its real

>>85597281
>Jesus was a tall white dude
>Walking around in the middle east with a bunch of short brown dudes
>No one in the bible who meets him ever remarks on his unusual features
So stupid.

>>85597201

The premises of the Big Bang is that all matter and energy was created at the same time, and that genesis shaped the physical universe we have now. We can suggest that it was a brand new creation as the fundamental forces (weak nuclear, string nuclear, gravity and electromagnetism) changed greatly in the first few microseconds if creation until they settled into their current configuration.

>>85597235

>Right would still be Right

Respectfully, no. One of the problems atheists have is the unbelievers' assertion that it is possible to determine what is right and what is wrong without God. They have a fundamental inability to concede that to be effectively absolute a moral code needs to be beyond human power to alter.

On this misunderstanding is a supposed conundrum about whether there is any good deed that could be done only by a religious person, and not done by a Godless one. Like all such questions, this contains another question: what is good, and who is to decide what is good?

Left to himself, Man can in a matter of minutes justify the incineration of populated cities; the deportation, slaughter, disease and starvation of inconvenient people and the mass murder of the unborn.

I have heard people who believe themselves to be good, defend all these things, and convince themselves as well as others. Quite often the same people will condemn similar actions by different countries, often with great vigour.

For a moral code to be effective, it must be attributed to, and vested in, a non-human source. It must be beyond the power of humanity to change it to suit itself.

Its most powerful expression is summed up in the words 'Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends'.

The huge differences which can be observed between Christian societies and all others, even in the twilit afterglow of Christianity, originate in this specific injunction.

>>85597310
See
>>85597021

Stop being dumb

>>85597307

Carbon dating proves it to be legit of the era, Shlomo. Sorry.

Have fun with your Jew made images though.

>>85597266
>completely contradicts every other image

Wow tell me about all these first hand images of Jesus!

>>85596759
>Their ancestors never set a foot in Judea. They existed at that time in Asia, their "homeland", and were known as Khazars
>"Judaism" today and "Pharisaism" in the time of Jesus are the same.
pick one

>>85597314
No one knows what the state of the universe was before the big bang. Time itself warps under those conditions so "before" or "new" may not even apply. None of this points to a fantastic super-powerful alien entity whose existence or non-existence completely fails to explain it anyway. Literally a non-answer to the question.

>>85597310

>No one in the Bible ever commented on his features

See

>>85596855

Jesus of Nazareth

>>85597339
>Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends

You quote this, and it speaks against your point.

>>85597354
do you ever get tired of trolling?

>>85597339
So ridiculous. You think if God disappeared in a puff suddenly no one would know what was right and what was wrong? Please. Of course we would. What a load of crap.

>>85597360

Pharasees are Sephardic, Khazaars are Ashkenazi.

Neither are related to Christ, both co-opted the religion of the Hebrews for their own ends and then merged in 800ad to form modern Talmudic kikery.

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>>85597307
this is the oldest surviving icon of jesus, it's from the 6th century

>>85597423
so 500 years after his death? totally accurate

>>85597377
>>85597314
You guys shouldn't even be having this conversation because it's pointless. The Christian can't prove his beliefs, and is instructed not to. So Christian, observe your faith, and have, well, faith. As far as the Atheist goes, dude really?

>>85597310
the bible describes jesus as an ugly white man

>>85597436
But didn't people in the bible live for like 900 years or whatever
Maybe the painter was just really really old and he knew him, they might have been on the same bowling team.
"With God all things are possible"

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>>85597436
well you can't tell the color of his skin from this one which was made in during the 1st century

>>85597481
That's going on the refrigerator

>>85597460
Well, people used to live far longer according to the Tanakh. Methulselah was the most famous and he managed to live 969 years. This is obviously nonsense as most Jews and Christians will tell you.

>>85597492
it's the blaspheme graffiti and was made by a non-believer. jesus was given the head of a donkey to offend christians

>>85596855
>taking it literally

"Such who separated themselves by a vow to the Lord, and abstained from drinking wine and strong drink, and by a moderate diet, and often washing themselves, as well as taking great care of their hair, appeared very neat and comely, like snow, without any spot or blemish. Some think such as were separated from others in dignity, very honourable persons, the sons of nobles, are meant, since the word has the signification of a "crown", and interpret it, her princes; Jarchi makes mention of this sense, and rejects it; but it is received by many: and the meaning is, that her young noblemen, who were well fed, and neatly dressed, looked as pure and as beautiful as the driven snow: they were whiter than milk;
this intends the same thing, expressed by another metaphor: they were more ruddy in body than rubies;
or rather "than precious stones"; and particularly "than pearls", which Bochart F17 proves at large are designed by the word used, which are white, and not red; and the word should be rendered, "clearer" or "whiter than pearls", as it is by Lyra and others F18; and the word in the Arabic language signifies white and clear F19, as pearls are; and so the phrase is expressive of the beauty and comeliness of these persons: and Ludolphus"

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>>85595183
>don't worship what knowledge is left of your ancestors, that's alll written by Jews
>instead, you should worship a book written about and by Jews. Turn the other cheek, too!

>>85597481
Jesus was infact a horse

Everyone BTFO

>>85597565
>Remember to donate 10% goys! That's pre-tax, Jesus said!

>>85597395

Well no, because morality is inherently tied to Humanity as all things are from God. For the same reason God just disappearing into a puff of smoke is impossible, it's like saying gravity could dissappear

Morality is man's time to God and it has been fairly consistent throughout history. There have been differences between their moralities, but these have never amounted to anything like a total difference. If anyone will take the trouble to compare the moral teaching of, say, the ancient Egyptians, Babylonians, Hindus, Chinese, Greeks and Romans, what will really strike him will be how very like they are to each other and to our own.

For example, think what a totally different morality would mean. Think of a country where people were admired for running away in battle, or where a man felt proud of double-crossing all the people who had been kindest to him. You might just as well try to imagine a country where two and two made five. Men have differed as regards what people you ought to be unselfish to whether it was only your own family, or your fellow countrymen, or everyone. But they have always agreed that you ought not to put yourself first. Selfishness has never been admired. Men have differed as to whether you should have one wife or four. But they have always agreed that you must not simply have any woman you liked.

>>85595243
all the psalms and previous religions that made "prophecies" which never happened were forgotten. Who honestly cares about some dead arab? Even to worship the idea of his corpse and also eat it once a week? It's retarded.

>>85597593
>dead arab
that edge, don't cut yourself with it

>>85593153
>>85593173
i dont see any pagan shit or pagan shitty temple here

only churches, churches everywhere

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>>85597565

Jesus called out the corrupt Jews.

It's like you guys have never read about the life of Jesus. Jesus was basically a political operative working against greedy Jews that were corrupting the Temple, which is basically the core spirit of pol.

The word for the corrupt overclass of in Jesus time was the Sanhedrin. Jesus was famous for saying that Salvation was for "Jews and Gentiles alike". This was blasphemy in his day and was a major factor in getting him killed. He was the ultimate Trojan horse. And he showed a way non only in political, but spiritual terms, how to cleanse ourselves.

Everybody here needs to read Rabbi Jesus by Bruce Chilton. Best biography of Jesus ever written, as based on actual historical events.


Thank you Jesus for all that you did.

I see a lot of Christians trying their bests to prove one thing or another, and of course failing like those who came before them. Yours is a test of faith. Nothing more. What kind of faith do you have trying to debate the "how" when God says its not for you to know. You can never succeed logically at what you are attempting because it is beyond logic. It's pointless. I don't mean this as derogatory and if you take it as such I would suggest to read the New Testament again. If a person doesn't believe, you should pray for them, not deride them. What benefit is that to you or God?

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>>85595641
>can't explain where Yahweh came from
>can't explain or quantify consciousness outside of saying "everyone has a soul" which answers nothing
>"the fact that science hasn't explained 100% of all truth means that the Christian God of the Bible is the only true definition of a god, and that his son Jesus was divine and died for our sins"
How convenient for you.
>anyone who doubts my god is obviously an atheist liberal

>>85597565

Saying Christianity is jewdized is retarded. Under pagan Rome, Jews enjoyed full citizen rights, as in most of the pagan world, including Greece, Syria, etc. However, once Christianity became a political power, around the 4-5th centuries, Rome made it illegal for Christian citizens to practice Jewish customs, and even turned many pagan practices into Christian traditions.

By the turn of the 11th century, most European nations were already Christian and totally different from rabbinic or Talmudic Judaism. In fact, no christian nation has ever historically adapted anything from Judaism. (Which is why I use the term Christian values, not Judeo-Christian, as that never existed). There was no commonality in the practice of these two religions. Even the interpretation of biblical laws were different. In fact, even Jesus himself condemned the Jews of his day and all their unbiblical or extrabiblical laws. Jesus was one of the biggest opponents of "Jews", which is why they passionately hated him.

By the 16th century, many European countries already had a history of expelling Jews or making them pay extra fines/taxes to live there. Most Jews didn't enjoy full citizenship rights either.

The only reason why "Jews" have been able to get such power, wealth, etc, in these recent past centuries is because they hate Christians. Their whole purpose of gaining global power and influence is to destroy Christianity and Christendom (the Western world), or White people, who are the ones who spread Christianity to other peoples.

Jews were able to live with pagans because they mutually did not pose a threat to each other. They stayed separate for the most part, e.g. kept to themselves (in designated communities, e.g. Greece, Syria, etc). When Christianity came to the forefront, the world was turned upside down, and Christianity gained the most influence in every aspect of life. This turned certain "Jews" in power to become anti-christ, just as when Jesus himself came.

>>85597580
So many fascinating unproved assertions. Are you saying God literally IS morality? That's silly. That's like saying God is love. Love is love. God is god. Morality is morality. Killing innocent people would be wrong if god didn't exist just like 2+2 would still be 4. He's not needed in this equation. No hocus pocus required.

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>>85597565

Pagan effort post

>>85597671

Christian effort post

>>85597667

I am He who is called I am.

when will Christianity get its own board?

>>85597635
>jesus called out the corrupt jews
Wow, I love him now. Why, he's not even Jewish anymore!
>never read about the life of jesus
Wow, he was a subversive kike who wanted extreme political change? Where have I heard this story before?

Nothing from your comment explains why I, a European white male, should devote my life to a dead Jewish radical who died because he was too much of a submissive beta to stand up for himself.
>throws moneychangers out of temple
>"what a badass!"
>moneychangers nail him to a cross
>"what brutes they were!"

The only worthwhile person involved with Jesus's story was Pilate.

>>85593027
>Was a good movie
No, it really wasn't.

>>85597696
wtf i love worshipping rabbi yeshua now, forgive me lord for I have sinned.
Please let in the refugees, and give more money to Israel!

Some fag typing half an essay of bullshit and revisionism does not equal me making a few fair points that you can't even begin to address.
>pagan drinking semen
That came from a Jewish book, both sources were Jews. Meanwhile priests in all denominations of Christianity fuck children.
>>85597724
Whoa... really makes you think...
He who is called I am? Wow, that just answers everything ever.

>>85597535
Now it's DEFINITELY going on the fridge

>>85597671
Jews did not begin to live in pagan Europe until after Christianity spread. Had Christianity died then the Jews likewise would have found no allies in an undivided Europe. Christians killed more whites than Jews, interesting how they "expel" Jews but burned pagans.
I'm agnostic, but please continue to project your fear of pagans some more.

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>>85597481
Christ, quit horsing around!

>>85597682

Yes. There is a fundamental knowledge of Right and Wrong inherent to humanity. This Law or Rule about Right and Wrong used to be called the Law of Nature. Nowadays, when we talk of the "laws of nature" we usually mean things like gravitation, or heredity, or the laws of chemistry. But when the older thinkers called the Law of Right and Wrong "the Law of Nature," they really meant the Law of Human Nature. The idea was that, just as all bodies are governed by the law of gravitation and organisms by biological laws, so the creature called man also had his law — with this great difference, that a
body could not choose whether it obeyed the law of gravitation or not, but a man could choose either to obey the Law of Human Nature or to disobey it.

We may put this in another way. Each man is at every moment subjected to several different sets of law but there is only one of these, morality, which he is free to disobey.

Further, we can prove this Moral Law is not simply one of our instincts. If two instincts are in conflict, and there is nothing in a creature's mind except those two instincts, obviously the stronger of the two must win. But at those moments when we are most conscious of the Moral Law, it usually seems to be telling us to side with the weaker of the two impulses. You probably want to be safe much more than you want to help the man who is drowning: but the Moral Law tells you to help him all the same.And surely it often tells us to try to make the right impulse stronger than it naturally is? I mean, we often feel it our duty to stimulate the herd instinct, by waking up our imaginations and arousing our pity and so on, so as to do the right thing. But clearly we are not acting from instinct when we set about making an instinct stronger than it is. The thing that says to you, "Your herd instinct is asleep. Wake it up," cannot itself be the herd instinct.

I rambled a bit, but I hope you are my point.

Book of Eli maybe?

>>85597742

This is an American website. Every board is a Christian board.

>>85597867
Oh, the Christians did much more than expel Jews. I agree with your first part, but your later statements are erroneous. I think you know this as well.

>>85597897
I read you, thanks for explaining. I will think about it. Cheers.

>>85593747
>No last temptation

>>85597750
>>85597827

You don't understand. I am saved by Christ. There is a tangible benefit to my life, and because of it I will inherit eternal Glory. There is a benefit I gain in this that no pagan LARPing will give any of you. That's why we look down on you, because you advocate for something you don't really believe. You're just atheists who realise how stupid atheism is.

But anyway, lets turn it around.

Remember that Vikings sold whites as slaves to Arabs. White women were especially in high demand.

http://m.thenational.ae/world/europe/when-the-arabs-met-the-vikings-new-discovery-suggests-ancient-links

You can tell why it appeals to the modern Swede, there ancestors basically invented a religion dedicated to weaponised cucking. Not only did they allow their women to have multiple husbands, they actively captured white women, and shipped them half way across the world so they could give them to shitskins.

When that failed they just decided to let all the shit skins into their country and rape their women without consequence.

It's no wonder the only time Nordic people weren't absolute cucks was the few hundred years they were Christians.

>>85597921

exept lgbt and mlp

>>85595390
Freya is a female and Fenrir is a male.

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>>85597839
>>85597535
Shit posting in stone

Based

>>85597933

You're welcome.

>>85597750
Western Europe was founded on Christianity while Eastern Europe converted to it. Why do you care so much for some retards killing boys to a tree while living in mudhuts when you have the religion that painted every corner of Europe.

The roots you want to grasp withered away, and with good reason. Modern paganism is a joke.
>>85597867
Source your claims or go back to your mudhut

>>85597933
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-moral-life-of-babies/

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>>85597996
>approximate translation

>>85595947
Man A is dead.
Therefore it's evidence that man B killed him.

Irrefutable logic.

>>85597998
Western Europe was founded on Christianity while Eastern Europe converted to it

No, both were actually converted. Both foundations came much earlier, with the East s foundations coming sooner. Unless, I'm missing something here and you would care to explain.

>>85596131
That is assuming any of the events of Jesus' life happened just as it did as depicted in the gospels, and that the writers of the gospels didn't have every incentive to reverse engineer the story to have it appear to fulfill prophecy.

>>85597867
>Jews did not begin to live in pagan Europe until after Christianity spread.

False. They didnt live in gaul or germania because those were backwater savage countries, but jews were all around the Mediterranean, especially after the judean revolt which put the people in flight and almost genocided the whole race/religion

>>85597481
God got the last laugh because this guy is still burning in hell.

Is that the Indian guy

>>85598103

And what would the purpose of lying be? Early Christians died horribly for the first two hundred years of the faith. There is no benefit to creating an elaborate hoax that would mean you and your descends would be persecuted horribly

>the only reason you believe in abrahamic god is because someone wrote a book that said so and people have been parroting it for centuries
Religion is basically a wide scale rumor and nothing more.
Even if you were spiritualistic and felt oneness with a higher power due to brain hijinks... how can you believe in an abrahamic concept of God knowing this? The source is very unreliable.

>>85598161
>Read my cryptic 2000 page document and live by its teachings
>You failed to do what I wanted? Burn in hell for all eternity! AHAHAHAHAHAAAH!
Why is god such a fucking dick

>>85598176

And miracles continuing to this day, and it shaped the world more than any other force, and it fulfilled thousands of years of prophecies, and so on...

>>85598092
Western Europe started after the fall if the Western Roman Empire. It is after that time that Germans and Anglos made civilization.

ITT: Atheist retards get BTFO thread #12250

>>85598248
Think with the heart, not the brain.

>>85598248
jesus said that all you had to do was believe in him and to believe in god, the rest was superfluous

>>85598325
Why is his ego so fragile, why does he care so much. Why can't he just say "hey you were wrong, here I am, shit happens." What a petty god.

>>85598284
You didn't even name even a single miracle or prophecy in your post.

>it shaped the world more than any other force
I didn't deny religion's existence and it's effect on the world.

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>"King James' bible"
>not "God's bible"
Checkmate, godfags

>>85598345
blind faith, he wants people to believe by their own volition and not to force faith through presentation of evidence

>>85598421
But why

>>85598481
because he gave humans the power of free will

>>85598493
Okay sure but why does he care so much that we believe in him
What's the big deal if we didn't that means we have to burn in hell, what is the purpose

>>85598391

Miracle of the Sun, Fatima Revelations, etc.

>>85598534

Because you can't be a good person without God. He doesn't want you to believe for His benefit, it's for yours.

>>85598640
Pfffft of course you can be a good person without god. Lots of people who don't believe in god are much better human beings than some other people who do believe in god. You don't really believe this.

>>85598786
To have a deeper appreciation of the divine, you goddamn dirt mongoloid, no wonder you haven't produced a civilization worth shit, you're basically some debased animal who can only think in utilitarian terms.

>>85599234
t. producer of great civilizations

>>85599270
t. illiterate fedora

>>85598293
I just going to say I hope you read up on German history during and pre-Roman. Seriously, it's really fucking interesting. They aren't the savages I thought they were.

>>85599302
You really mad huh? That's adorable!

>>85599312
In addition: I'm German-Irish.

>>85599335
>>85599302
What the fuck are you guys arguing?

>>85598723

See

>>85597580
>>85597897

For what I believe.

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>>85598293
>Germans and Anglos made civilization.

saxons niggers i swear
there was no civilization in britain before the normans decided to eradicate the locals
and germans are a plague

>>85596022
>when you unironically prove your own arrogance and argument wrong in the most cringey way
Lel

>>85599429
#triggered
Why are christcucks so sensitive?

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>>85599448
>using stale triggered memes yet unironically getting mad at stale fedora memes
You can't make this shit up

>>85599490
But fedora memes are hilarious, /pol/ posts them all the time
Atheisters BTFO'd!

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>>85599585

You know it.

>>85593628
A brilliant entry in both the Christkino
and "films women will never understand" genres

>>85592982
>based Mel-kino

I hope you get bowel cancer.

>>85594781
>Prayer is a request for a favour from God
>If a prayer doesn't trigger an observable change in the physical world it hasn't been heard
You cannot believe this, you must be being willfully ignorant.

>>85600918
They don't come fitter to make this kind of pronouncement than unmasculine pretend Christians on /tv/.

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BLESSED ASSURANCE, JESUS IS MINE

>>85593015
Let me guess...
Silence was better than all the BP nominees but because it isn't 100% anti-Christian it was ignored.

>>85593173
>Jesus promised an end to bad people
[citation needed]

>>85593173
KYS

>>85594558
I started browsing /b/ exactly 10 years ago so I know you're lying

>>85601194
There's no such thing as good and bad.

Most criminals are men. 95% of prison inmates are men. Why are there so many more men committing crime than women? Because men have higher testosterone.

Testosterone makes people aggressive, angry, violent, defiant of authority, and it reduces empathy and self control.

If there is no such thing as good and bad, then there is no such thing as God and Satan.

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>>85597565
>t. pagan

>>85593015
Catholic =/= Christian.

>>85601187
Well it's not supposed to be anti-Christian really. It's supposed to be whether or not God would understand sacrificing part of your soul and beliefs to save your fellow Christians.

If you know doing something is wrong, but people suffer because of your choice not to do that, would God understand if you chose to help those people?

>>85593273
i don't know

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God exists. Deal with it atheist scum.

>>85598130
This is wrong. There were lots and lots of Jews in Gaul (which wasn't a backwater country). Not in Germany though before a few centuries later.

>>85597949
>not being gay Christian
How can atheists even compete?

>>85598248
God doesn't owe you anything. Hell and oblivion are not a punitive act, it's the baseline. Salvation is the abnormal bit.

>>85603928
>I can't explain this so I'll just act tough

>>85601817
There's nothing for God to understand, his laws are superior to whatever justification we give for our compromises.

>>85598248
>waah waah why do things have consequences waaaah

>>85592982
>Christian
>"I hate guns and killing people"
>"I should join the army because it's the cool thing to do right now"
>"What the fuck why do I have to use guns? This isn't what I signed up for"
What did he mean by this? And why is he fine kicking grenades into a bunch of japs but shooting them is a no-no?

>>85603963
What is there to explain exactly? God doesn't owe you anything. Extinction is the fate of creatures without God. He offers salvation freely, this is purely grace, you can take it or leave it.
Are you asking for eschatological welfare?

>>85604000
The point is that it's different when you condone other people's suffering for your faith compared to your own suffering.

>>85604079

He specified that he wouldn't kill almost right away, it's why he was made a medic. That way he could do something in the Army and contribute to the war effort.

Specifically that grenade scene he kicks them away and gets hit with shrapnel, but the other soldiers shoot the Japs right after so that's really a non issue.

>>85603789
"I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."
"But," says Man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves that You exist, and so therefore, by Your own arguments, You don't. QED"
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
"Oh, that was easy," says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.

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>>85592982
I'd lost my fidget spinner the night before going to see the emoji movie, which I had been anticipating my whole life.

I cried for half an hour, then moved on. Once I entered the theatre, I knew something more powerful was at hand.

God was with me.

I cried through each and every heart touching movement of the story through its poetic dialogue and meaningful spirit.

I exited the theater a changed man.
I hopped on my scooter, rode back home and opened the door to find my cat who had my fidget spinner in her mouth.

She had found the spinner.

God was with me that night, and ever since then I have used that moment to govern my life, for nothing is more powerful than faith.

>>85593188

>>85601725
But that's wrong.

>>85595125
Ah yes i used to think the same way but then something occured to me. You wouldn't be able to see god. God is matter of philosophy not of science. God is not something that you can see or test or hear. It's a concept, a concept that requires faith. That's the whole point and it made perfect sense to me. Also from experience most athiests are very arrogant (i used to be one) and the statement that they claim to know how our universe was created. Whichi i find absurd as we cant even tell what the weather is gonna he an hour in advance.

>>85597191
Where's the skull of jesus my friend?

>>85596732
I'm a nazi and a Christian. Nice try kike
>yes goyim become athiests and turn others away from the faith you'll be so smart and hip and cool with all the other degenerates

>>85605266
Oh

>>85594575
Jesus never said not to masturbate

>>85595127
>5000 BC
If we're talking all religions, I'm pretty sure it was long before that

>>85595243
>How do atheists explain this away
Because the New Testament was just Old Testament fan fiction?

>>85595268
God isn't just meta physics, he is said to have created the universe and performed various acts within it, that's very physical

>>85595538
>magically form sentient life
Boy you're retarded, I bet you think that computer (or more likely smartphone) you're on is "magic" too.

>>85592982
put that quote next to a jihadi

>>85595641
>posing "muh christcuck animu waifu xd"
>calling other people fedoras