Why hasn't Japan had its own New Wave film revolution? Korea

It's complicated, but the gist of the situation is that Koreans are sub-humans

>>85551443
The anime was the revolution, dummy.

>>85551632

damn that sucks

>>85551443
The West eats up Korean bullshit because it's just knockoff Hollywood, so it makes them feel like they're "cultured" for watching foreign films while still being the same stuff that's already in their comfort zone. Japanese film actually has its own cultural identity so it gets largely ignored.

>>85553071
>Korean movies are knockoff Hollywood

How the fuck is that even remotely a true statement? I admittedly haven't seen many Korean movies but caught the Handmaiden and the Wailing last year and neither were like anything Hollywood would dare to make these days. The Koreans like their revenge porn a lot but I still don't think they make movies remotely similar to the West.

>>85551443
>he doesnt know Nagisa Oshima
the Japanese New Wave happened in the 60s, ignoramus

>>85553203
>How the fuck is that even remotely a true statement? I admittedly haven't seen many Korean movies
Then come back and see if you still think Korea "is consistently doing great things" when you have.

>>85553317

Yes and I want to know where they're at now. I thought that was obvious.

>>85553322

All media is going to be primarily shit and the cream rises to the top. Korea seems to have that cream but you never hear much about Japan. That's what I'm saying. It doesn't matter if a lot of directors in Korea are following western trends, they still have auteurs and great movies coming out pretty regularly. Japan isn't getting recognized as much. You say Japan gets ignored because it has its own identity but then you post no examples of great post-2000 modern Japanese film.

>>85553322
you just got fucked in the ass by >>85553600

>>85551443
Japan is actually too poor of a country, not kidding OP

>>85553775
Why didn't the poster count go up with this post?

>>85553804

I wonder if they're maybe too tech and business focused for the arts.

>>85553600
There's plenty of notable modern day Japanese directors

Tetsuya Nakashima (The World Of Kanako, Confessions, Memories Of Matsuko)
Lee Sang-Il (Ikari, Akunin, Scrap Heaven)
Kiyoshi Kurosawa (Creepy, Real, Bright Future)
Sion Sono (Guilty Of Romance, Strange Circus)
Shunji Iwai (A Bride For Rip Van Winkle, All About Lily Chou-Chou)
Tatsushi Omori (The Ravine Of Goodbye, Tada's Do It All House, Whispering Of The Gods)

Just because you or the general western population is ignorant to something doesn't mean it doesn't exist

>>85553918
their "arts" is split in half because anime, on top of that Japan just doesn't concentrate on exporting media like they used to in better days such as the late 80's. Korea has a pretty big and ever growing movie business and isn't split in half so go figure

>>85551443
Japanese cinema is in the fucking toilet right now. Otaku culture is a big part of it, but mostly the problem lies with the despair of the Lost Generation (which should be inspiring good art).

Korea for whatever reason has one of the strongest national film industries in the world today, with commiserate budgets. Japan, on the other hand, does not, and so there's very little money to go around and most Japanese productions are marred by a sense of cheapness and limited scale.

But like >>85553995 said there are still some great filmmakers working in Japan, it's just their movies don't get much play worldwide.

>>85553995

Again, I never said they didn't exist. The OP itself asks "Are there any worth a shit and we're just not talking about them?" and I specifically ask why Korea gets buzz over their directors but everyone is silent over Japan. I just found your shitposting over KOREAN MOVIES ARE FOR PLEBS to be a waste of time when you could be actually answering the question. So thank you for finally getting to that I'll check out all of those.

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Give me some k-cinema reccs anons

>>85553995
Hahaha holy shit look at this idiot posting live action anime-tier films. Grow out of your teenage weeb tastes and watch something by Mipo O. The only good person on your list is Omori

>>85551443
because only japs watch jap movies, apart from a couple of weebs in america
korea relies heavily on foreign audiences and creates stuff that people from other countries would like to watch
korean movies aren't just popular in the west they're also very popular in other eastern countries like thailand and china, with people preferring korean movies over the stuff that's made in their countries

>>85551443
it already happened you missed it

>>85556469

Outside of everything Bong and Park Chan-wook I just watched Peppermint Candy tonight. That was a long, exhausting and heavy movie. Definitely worth the watch. It did the reverse chronological thing before Memento popularized it.

Same director has another film Oasis that uses the same actors that were a couple in Peppermint Candy but in Oasis they play a mentally retarded man and a woman with cerebral palsy and it's about their relationship together. Sounds like another heavy as fuck watch but that's next for me. Both are on Amazon Video if you have Prime.

Going back to Bong and Park Chan-wook, most people have seen all the popular ones Host, Memories of Murder, Snowpiercer for Bong and the Vengeance Trilogy + Handmaiden for Park. But Bong's very first work, Barking Dogs Never Bite is on Netflix. Never see ANYONE talk about it but I just watched it the other day and I really enjoyed it. Kind of a quirky uncomfortable movie. It has that indie comfy depression feel to it. As for Park, JSA is on Amazon Prime Video right now and is must-watch Korea kino. That one hurts your soul a bit. The friendship is just so genuine.

Final recs, check out The Chaser and The Wailing. The former has a generic as fuck name and is another Korean revenge flick but imo probably the very best of them. It had me on the edge of my seat and running the whole gamut of emotions. The latter is a creepy supernatural mystery movie. I hesitate to call it thriller or horror because it's not really either of those. Really great acting though and one of the freshest horror movies I've seen in years. Makes the stuff we're making over here look like amateur hour.

>>85553600
>All media is going to be primarily shit and the cream rises to the top.

No, the media with the biggest promotional budget rises to the top. The best films don't open in theaters in America, or appear for five minutes, damned with faint praise or lied about by critics who don't care.

South Korean film is 100% worthless. It's for people who want to feel cultured without ceasing to be turboplebs.

>>85554234
>commiserate

You mean "commensurate", you pigfucker.

>>85556911

Yeah yeah nothing popular and mainstream can ever be good we get it, Greg. One day your band is gonna make it out of the garage and you'll show the world.

>>85551443
>Korea is consistently doing great things
hahahahahahahahah

>>85556469
tale of two sisters
attack the gas station
peppermint candy
a hard day
thirst
the silenced
bedeviled
unbowed
girl at my door
poetry
hahaha
haemoo
moss
the man from nowhere

>>85554234
>marred by a sense of cheapness and limited scale.

No, you see, what it is is, Japan is making actual films and Korea is making plebshit.

This is all solely about distribution. It used to be claimed in the West that Japanese cinema produced nothing of worth between Kinguasa's Crossroads in 1927 and Kurosawa's Rashomon in 1950. The only reason for this claim was that nobody in the West had seen the masterpieces produced pretty consistently between these two films. A mixture of bad distribution, and assuming/pretending for marketplace convenience that anything significant would come West, led to this interpretation. The only reason Crossroads had been seen in America in 1927 was that Kinguasa literally bought a steamer ticket and sat in American distributors' offices with the cans of film on his lap until someone came to speak with him. If he hadn't done that, Rashomon would have been "the first significant Japanese film" in the West. Tl;dr: criticism is downstream of availability.

>>85556803
What dog's shit every one of these items is.

>>85556977
No, not saying that, clearly. Exposure i

>>85556977
>>85557098
Exposure isn't synonymous with value. People who won't make choices about their viewing, but let the industry bring them what it wants them to have, limit themselves.

>>85556803
woah you must have like 500 followers on letterbox my man

>>85551443
How can you possibly imagine that you would be equipped to evaluate any great films that did emerge? You like South Korean movies.

Unless you're fluent in both Japanese and Korean and have lived in both countries for an extended period of time, you don't know shit about the countries respective movie scenes. All you now is a bunch of movies that have been picked to be screened at international film festivals with English subtitles. And at the end of the day that's just a huge circlejerk.

anime and manga live action movies?
same could be said about amerifats and capeshit

>>85557080
Dumb weeaboo.

Maybe older Korean films aren't well known because, you know, they were occupied by the Japanese and later they were under a pretty brutal dictatorship.

And how is Korea today making "plebshit"? Let's be objective and look at international film festivals. Korea is doing at least as good as Japan if not better.

>>85557080
Name 1 good japanese movie from 2016 or 2017.

>>85557350
>name a good film
>lol, it's plebshit!
What's the point? Taste is subjective.

>>85557350
Harmonium (2016)
Sayonara (2016)
Dare ka no mokkin (2016)
64 (2016)
Antiporno (2016)
White Lily (2016)
Kaze ni nureta onna(2016)
Ame ni yureru onna (2016)
FAKE (2016)
Kono sekai no katasumi ni (2016)
Kanojo no jinsei wa machigai ja nai (2017)

>>85557350
not him but
>shin godzilla
>creepy
>after the storm
>lowlife love
>anti porn
>mumon the land of stealth

Because Japan got hit by two nuclear bombs.

Seriously though they make some decent horror movies every now and then and I enjoyed Shin Gojira.

I think the main problems are costs and theres too many pandering directors. It's even hard for anime to make no-moe anime without any pandering, gotta sell those figurines and audio-cd:s to the weebs to make it go around.

>>85557486
>Shin Godzilla
Get some taste, pleb. I bet you also watch capeshit and anime.

>>85558407
Good job ignoring the other five movies he mentioned.

>>85559097
maybe you can't find them on Solarmovies

>>85551443
Crow Zero is good until 2

J > K

Train to Busan and The Wailing were dogshit though.