What are the odds The Wachowski's stole the idea of The

>>85527999
No, they were genuinely creative, their minds got fucked by a dominatrix, some truly fucked up shit apparently and they became uncreative garbled mess of human beings

>>85527999
a lot of it borrows heavily from Neuromancer by William Gibson.

that book is messy and not very good despite having a lot of cool ideas. it seems like the wachowski's read it, took the good ideas, repackaged them, and then made the matrix.

The Matrix is a Ghost in the Shell ripoff m8

>>85527999
Grant Morrison said they ripped off his comic Invisibles, and let's be fair, it's full of homages and nods to other stuff, Ghost in the Shell, Total recall, Terminator etc etc

>>85527999
Even if the ideas aren't their own all the shots and angles with very little cuts still can't be matched

Alex Jones said it was based off a DOD white paper that talked about future war tech.

>>85528133
please explain further

>>85528172
Only the imagery is ripped off, everything else is their own garbage

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Maybe the people helping them making the movies just got really weirded out by them and stopped working with them for p2/3.

>>85528309
http://lecter.org/forum/showthread.php?t=248

>>85528159
yep, molly is literally trinity, and case is literally neo. morpheus fulfills the role of armitage, allthough armitage was basically a zombie, so they're different in character of course.

>>85528342
Would you, /tv/?

>>85528974

remember: if you wouldn't, you're transphobic

>>85527999
The thing that made The Matrix successful, in my opinion, wasn't so much the concept but the execution. It mixes a lot of the best fighting techniques from Asian movies and mixes it up with the best special effects from Hollywood. It's a "best of both worlds" kinda thing, mixed up with some great zeitgeist aesthethics (the music and look of the characters) and it turns up as a unique movie, not only in the Wachowski's filmography, but in general.
Sure, it's not really original, but the way they mixed up all the elements was great and hasn't been matched. Most of the ripoffs totally dropped the ball when it came to the fighting.

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>>85527999

As other people pointed out, the plot is a changed-up Neuromancer, even to the point of ripping of the concept of "The matrix" from the novel and the imagery is ripped straight from Ghost in the Shell.

They pretty much combined the two, having the neural cable from GiTS connect you to the matrix, and they added their own SJW agenda to it (the last city being called Zion, everyone being mixed race, etc).

That's why the sequels were so lackluster, when they amped their own nonsensical elements and the plot/imagery of the original works was spent.

The Wachowski's were always hacks. To see what their work is like when they are not ripping off the creations of better men just watch Cloud Atlas and Jupiter ascending.

>>85527999
>redpillfluid

>>85529433
Man that hallway shootout will never stop being cool

>>85529433
God damn that lobby scene pisses me off with how much it copies GitS but forgets all of the weight or pacing. No slow mo bullshit, just amazing animation, direction and music.

>>85529495
Because it never was cool to begin with?
Its nonsensical, it'd make more sense if the cops were shooting arrows with bows and those dodging maneuvers might make more sense.

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>>85529586

>the dodging in the fake reality in the future dominated by robots was not realistic enough

>>85527999

It's a direct rip off of The Invisibles by Grant Morrison. They even passed around the comics on set and some of the scenes are almost storyboarded from it.

they stole wholesale from animes like ghost in the shell and akira. dark city also came out a year before it, but that was probably too late for them to crib anything from.

>>85527999
>>85529433
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_on_a_Wire
Today I will remind them.

>>85528645
Pretty interesting. Anything similar from more recent years? What happened to the other brother?

>>85527999
The odds are 100%, they took "inspiration" from many sources.

The key to successfully Jewing everyone and becoming successful is to take as much "inspiration" from as many different vaguely connected (by common theme) sources as possible and throw them into a semi-cohesive easily digested package. This is how the Matrix was made and how to be a successful, no talent, no ideas hack without being accused of plagiarism (at least until a situation like now where the odd savvy person can realize you were a fraud the entire time, like the OP or others in this thread).

>>85529655
Always the same "its magic setting so absolutely nothing needs to make sense or follow the rules within said setting".
INTERNAL CONSISTENCY

>>85529883
>no talent
Even if they totally plagiarized the Matrix scene for scene from another source it was shot and edited very well, which really is the basis for its success. The visual effects were kind of groundbreaking.

>>85529990
They don't hold up to much scrutiny today. No wonder they were parodied to hell and back.

Neuromancer
Ghost in the Shell
The Invisibles
World on Wire
Alice in Wonderland
New Testament

Anything missing /tv/?

So what, maybe they are hacks and rip off artists, but give them a break, okay?

Think of the joy and amazement you felt sitting in that theater in 1999 or whenever the fuck it was, seeing that epic conclusion and having "Directed By: The Wachowski Sisters" come up in that trademark Matrix font, tell me that movie experience wasn't one of the coolest in your lives. At least they gave you that. You need to look back on the good too.

>>85527999

I believe that they were once really good directors, and then when they started taking hormones to fulfill their transgender fantasies their creativity went with it.

>>85529790
because none of those were inspired by anything.

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>>85529586
They're literally in a computer generated simulation world where they have learned how to expand their powers far beyond normal people and can literally download techniques like flying helicopters and kung-fu right to their brains, did you even watch the fucking movie?

>>85530041
Every John Woo movie

>>85530149
Explain a technique that allows you to not get hit by bullets when you move at human speeds and bullets move at bullet speeds.

>>85529881
Probably slowly coaxed into the same shit after some time, seeing as how close they are

>>85529980
>dodging some bullets and doing some cool tricks in a fake world is too much for some autist to handle before he spergs out
lmao

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>>85530194
>implying they move at regular human speeds
>implying they don't get hit

They did steal it, out of my mind! I had this idea years before the matrix. They're thieving fucks I tell ya.

>>85530194
They moved faster than bullets, hence the bullet-time meme

>>85530264
>>85530295
That part was specifically him gaining the skill of dodging bullets. He didnt do that before that fucking scene. He was praised for his sudden realization of this fucking skill.
The movement showed him in bullet time, unlike in the hallway scene.

>>85528974
They were ugly men and make ugly women.

>>85527999

It defo ripped off grant Morrison filer the first hour or so. There's abit where the mentor asks the guy to jump off a skyscraper, it's undoubtedly taken heavily from it.

>>85529980
You're retarded, the matrix is sophisticated virtual reality, the point IS that it's not real. Are you having an existential crisis everytime you play a videogame?

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>>85529495

>>85530324
They had tons of cover from the support beams throughout the hallway and were far more skilled in the use of firearms and fighting techniques over a bunch of cops, I don't know how else I can explain it to you further if you can't just enjoy a cool scene.

>>85527999
>copying Neuromancer and degenerate animu

Yeah the matrix is a scattershot collection of works before it. I thought this was clear from the beginning.

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>>85529586
BREAKING: Bad guys in movie have terrible aim. MORE AT 11.

>>85530431
I always wondered how they shot off the wall bits like that

>>85530194
Unless you didn't pay attention at all when watching the film, the entire point of Neo as a character was his enhanced ability to break the rules of the matrix. To put it in terms a simpleton can understand, he hacked the video game. Considering how low brow this film is if you can't follow such a simple story you should look into going back to school.

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>>85530479
Why wouldn't Agents install aimbot on the people protecting the most important prisoner they possess? wtf I hate the movie now.

>>85530431
Much better.

>>85530521
I'm guessing loads of tiny explosives behind the tiles.

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>>85530431
>can't even see shit

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>>85530521
pretty sure it was just small explosive charges placed in the wall. IIRC on the behind the scenes stuff they said it took them something like two weeks to shoot that sequence because of all the setup each shot required.

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>>85530607
yea it's almost like it was intended or something and made sense in context. Crazy, right?

>>85530607

Those shots are superbly composed, even if it's easier in animation.

>>85527999
stole? they bought tgat scriot kegally for $1000. keke

>>85530607
Its pretty funny when the robot with software and automated turret has the bad guy aim.

>>85530543
The agents had a major case of hubris from ruling over the humans for so long that they assumed they could easily take them out using their own kind against them (I mean just look at how easily they almost destroyed the resistance by turning Cypher against them with an offer of living out a lie).

>>85530849
There's a guy piloting the robot.

>>85530849
it's a tank, there's crew in it

>>85529433
Of course they did Cloud Atlas... why wouldn't they do Cloud Atlas

>>85530849

He literally hits where he is aiming every time, it's just that Motoko is a literal robot with superhuman reflexes and speed.

>>85530739
makes me realize, they could've just went inside the matrix with a bunch of nukes and set them off.

>everyone in the matrix dies
>primary power/computing source of the machines gone
>when they rebuild, just do it again

>>85530902

I don't understand your comment, anon.

>>85530794
>tgat scriot kegally
You have really fat fingers.

>>85530975
Cloud Atlas is a fucking terrible movie. It makes sense the wachowski's did it

If they stole it at least they made it better

>>85527999
Dark City, Ghost in the Shell, and countless others laid the frame work of these movies

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Explain this

>>85531028

it's too long and the concept could have been worked out better, but it's not terrible imo

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>>85527999
The list of people the Wack bros did not rip off is shorter.
For one thing, it looks like Proyas had shopped the script and storyboards for his Dark City to all the major studios, and some producers attached to the Wack bros passed that material on to them for ripoff.
Shot by shot comparison of the two films here: http://www.electrolund.com/2004/10/matrix-city-a-photographic-comparison-of-the-matrix-and-dark-city/
It's pretty damning.

>>85527999
u dont have the brains 2 understand the wachowskis

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>>85531071

That movie is a mess, anon. From top to bottom. They wanted to direct a grandiose all-encompasing story for the ages and overestimated their capacities.

>>85530041
This >>85530172 plus a helping dose of Joseph Campbell.

Though in the case of The Invisibles it's really poetic justice, considering how much Morrison stole from Illuminatus! and Jerry Cornelius to make it.

>>85531048
Dark City came out around the same time.

>>85530959
I imagine the machines had some sort of failsafe program to prevent that from happening, also weren't the humans still plugged into the machines at the very end of the series?

>>85527999
>What are the odds The Wachowski's stole the idea of The Matrix
100%
From 'The Invisibles', by Grant Morrison.

>>85528645
Super interesting; I knew what happened at a high level, but not in such detail. I thought he was "turned" by the dominatrix, but this really makes it seem more like he decided to do it himself and she just went with it for security and to get out of the business.

Who knows, she could have genuinely fallen in love with him. She was married to fucking Buck Angel for god's sake.

>Nobody here has seen Dark City
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt9HkO-cGGo

They stole the green color motif, the virtual world changing, the score, the agents, the sentries.... Ghost in the shell they took tight suits, the shoot out, Neuromancer they stole Molly, and there are others besides this.

>>85531136

oh it's far from great, I know. I guess my definition of a terrible movie is just different from yours

they definitely overestimated their capabilities but I respect the attempt

>>85528342
eww gross
>they look so british

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>>85531253
>Nobody here has seen Dark City
maybe you should read the thread nextime before you scoff at the quarrels and inferior knowlegde of mere mortals aloof neckbeard san

>>85531253
And from Run Lola Run, Larry Wachowski stole his sexual identity.

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>>85531253
>Ghost in the shell they took tight suits, the shoot out

Anon, The matrix's entire aesthetic is taken from Ghost in the shell, even the neck cable thing that plugs you into the matrix.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De9bpbXBg-4

>>85531340
my foot is in my mouth

>>85531411
They also mistook Motoko's navelgazing for being bland and emotionless.

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>>85531411

they should have just let the wachowskis direct ghost in the shell, i feel like they love the property enough not to fuck it up

>at least until they start injecting their usual nonsense philosophy like with all their failed movies

>>85531312

We can agree to disagree I guess.

Apparently the "redpill" is actually from a metal song.

>>85531411
those also appear in Dark City, and are really a contemporary future sci-fi staple

>>85528133
>they became uncreative
they're still creative as fuck
they get bogged down in their own world-generation, sure, but everything they've made since the matrix is fucking creative that much is certain.


Even OP's question is moronic at its base: assuming the script wasn't theirs at all what's on display in that movie is a fucking well made movie. They directed the shit out of it.

I think the issue with the watchowskis is the same issue a lot of directors have: they need to be forced to work within certain constraints to produce their best work.

when they're forced to compromise, they seem to pay more attention to keeping everything in line. Without that pressure their work loses focus

ITT: People who cannot process the fact that the defining film of the turn of the century was made by two trannies.

Almost every action movie you watch today is directly ripping shots out of The Matrix. The Matrix is a masterpiece of cinema, and you all hate it because you are trying to be edgy.

In the future The Matrix will be revered in the same way movies like Citizen Kane are today.

>>85530041
Dark City and Strange Days

The first movie took everything good in those movies and mashed them together so that worked
Then they were doing their own thing in later movies which way they suck

The Matrix is obviously a rip off of the Shin Megami Tensei (2?) with the perfect world simulated reality and all that. They even had people plugged into computers.

>>85529804
>.m

>>85530014
They hold up to better scrutiny than Avengers, and the special effects weren't parodied because of their low quality, but quite the opposite.
You should try not to be so obviously underage around here if you don't wanna get banned.

>>85527999
aliens gave them the script

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>>85530479
>They had tons of cover from the support beams throughout the hallway and were far more skilled in the use of firearms and fighting techniques over a bunch of cops, I don't know how else I can explain it to you further if you can't just enjoy a cool scene.

I always really liked the Matrix, the sequels too and this thread made me rewatch the lobby scene which I used to enjoy a lot.

Turns out it's completely idiotic, literally the dumbest thing one could possibly come up with when asked to imagine a shootout.

1. In walks neo, flashes his junk, goes David Della Rocco with his two mp5s to take out some unsuspecting guards armed with handguns, leaves one alive.
2. In walks trinity empties the clip in her uzi on the one guard calling for backup, he's armed but surprised by her entrance and pointing his gun completely the wrong way.
3. Neo and trinity calmly walk in the lobby with their bag discarding their now empty guns.
4. Backup arrives, squad of paramilitary in body armor with assault rifles and shotguns get in position behind the beams, guns aimed at the trenchcoat maffia.
5. Neo decides the best way to tackle this treat is by dual wielding some semi-automatic pistols with standard magazines. Trinity doesn't even bother with guns.
6. Both run of to the sides, Trinity decides she's up for a bit of freerunning and does some sideways wallflip shit before adjusting her sunglasses. (fashion not sports) Neo fires his pistols at some of them. (There were at least 8 men, now firing at them.)

>>85532490
we never give any scripts to anyone

>>85533263
Back to mexico you.

>>85533307
we're all over the place lol

>>85527999

No, like George Lucas they ripped off a little bit of everything they liked (things that probably ripped off other stuff too), combined it into something that hadn't quite been done before, added some of their own creativity, etc.

>>85527999
nah they just mixed up lot of "counter culture" shit back in the 90's. Ghost in the shell, neuromancer, The invisibles, etc.

>having a wide range of reference material is equal to stealing

this board is trash

>>85535453
this. niggas think there are ppl that come and discover mathematics by themselves

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>>85535520
Anon...

>>85535520
quit defending the trannies you liberal shit

>>85529804
this

>>85529433
The plot is nothing like Neuromancer, you've got no idea what you're talking about

>>85527999
The Thirteenth Floor was in the cinema at the same time.

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>>85530041
Plato is disappoint.

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>>85529804

/tv/ is too plebeian to know goat german kino.

>>85528159
the whole movie is like Plato's cave+the terminator

>>85528192
Ive only read the first book of Invisibles and its excessively 90s that i never read the rest of the series (and I really enjoy Morrison's work generally).
Its nothing like the Matrix.

>>85528342
those fucking smiles look so forced like they realized they are unhappy fucking disasters as human beings who went too far into delusion and now put on a show to make it seem like they are happy.

>>85535655
>The Thirteenth Floor
I remember another sci fi movie at that time which was based on the premise of a technologically superior alien race enslaving mankind and maintaining their oligarchy by arbitrarily swapping individuals into different strata of human society overnight. Bankers one day could wake up gay hustlers the next, and their memories of their previous existence are suppressed, rendering humanity impotent to discover and resist their control collectively.

Can't remember the name, but it stuck out to me as a kid for having an identical core concept to the function of the matrix.

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>>85527999
They did steal it. It's based on Overdrawn at the Memory Bank with Raul Julia. I'm serious.

They took the basic plot of people mentally integrating with computer. But made the computer be the villain to be less like total recall.

>>85532138

Matrix 1 will be forgotten, because as pointed out it's a ripp-off.

Remembered will only be Matrix 2+3, because they had incredibly distinct action scenes.

>>85536111
Dam now I gotta go watch that episode of mst3k

Also, checked.

>>85529433
The imagery is nothing like Ghost in The Shell. Holy crap, kill yourself.

>>85529804
that ""movie"" was literally great. Its so well made. Though really it didn't need to be 2 movies (I'll give it a pass as it was made for television and had to fill out a certain run time)
still its way better than Matrix

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>>85529586
>This guy hasn't watched the Animatrix or read/seen any other sci-fi books or adaptations in his entire life
>Actually, this guy might have had a sad childhood if that fucking hallway scene didn't make an impression on him
>Maybe back in primary school he had no friends to try and walk on the walls while shooting fingerguns with
>that is when playing war with your friends wasn't considered an apology of violence but simply kids' games

Animatrix - The Second Renaissance Part I & II
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0K6Cb1ZoG4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNiO2sTe2wo

>>85530102
>inadvertedly calling the artists behind those masterpieces "uninspired"

>>85536118
Wash your feet you filthy brown raver.

>>85536407

Second Renaissance are the least interesting films on Animatrix.

>>85536708
agreed, beyond and world record are the true good ones

>>85529980
The whole reason why Trinity and Neo are able to what they can is because they realize the Matrix isn't "real" so they can fucking break the rules as they please

Did you just fall asleep during Morpheus's training rodeo?

>>85536111
Is that episode on Hulu or Netflix?