>Luke spends two movies gaining basic competency in the force.

Well whatever it is, I'm sure it's somehow related to the Jews, Trump, immigration and impending white genocide, and not just lazy screenwriting.

>>85520730
>Luke spends two movies gaining basic competency in the force.
>Mary Sue hears a voice in her head and instantly becomes Jedi Master.
>Anakin is a master pod racer at 6 and a master-level warrior at 16

This series has never had good writing desu

Girls are just smarter than boys ;)

>>85520730
don't compare her to Luke then, since she's more like young Anakin, obviously

>>85520730
She's the offspring of the Skywalkers and Kenobis. The only other character to have both Anakin and Obi in them was Asoka and she was also very powerful.

>>85520783
>This series has never had good writing desu
Of course not, but you can't deny that it got worse.

>>85520783
The pod racing thing is a stretch, I'll give you that, but child prodigies do exist.
As far as the Jedi part, keep in mind Anakin spend a decade of his life doing nothing but living and training with hundreds if not thousands of Jedi instructors, compared to Luke's few days with Obi Wan and Yoda or Rey's instant skill. Also it's a bit inaccurate to call Anakin a "master-level warrior" at 16 considering he got his ass whipped by based Dooku.

>>85520782
Underrated post.

>>85520730
The Force is a superpower now. SW is part of the MCU

>>85520782

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>>85520782
Thank G-d, some sanity. People act like the writers have some kind of agenda.

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>>85520730
Pure willpower

>>85521237
Leave it to the jews to inject race politics that don't exist in the empire. Vader hired a bunch of alien bounty hunters to track down Solo and them and the clone army were brown people.

>>85521361
Truth be told, only white people can achieve high ranks within the empire, which is why Thrawn becoming grand admiral was such a big deal

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It's because the force is female.

women are just better than men at being jedi

why can't men accept this?

>>85521193
>during infinity war star wars races and characters make brief background appearances
How would you feel /tv/

>>85520730
She's the reincarnation, of one of two twins who where the first of Jedi, just wait anon.

>>85521430
Nice fantasy

imagine a world where straight white males would stop using the word feminism and SJW. man that would be great. i would never have to hear about it. i don't go on tumblr or wherever they are supposed to hang. that would be so nice. just silence. and relevant conversations. wow, imagine.

>>85520730
>Is this the power of SJW?

Yep. They wanted to depict her as better than Luke BECAUSE she's a girl.

>>85521193
>The real reason that Luke disappeared was because he was helping fight Thanos in Infinity War

>>85521567
You can stop the propaganda already.

>>85521567
>i would never have to hear about it
Lucky you, but unfortunately that's not the case for everybody.

>>85521414
It's a human supremacy empire (in the books), not a white supremacist empire. In the old movies it's none of these things, it's just an authoritarian dictatorship

>>85521726
Ok fair enough

>>85520730
Maybe she has an ultra-high midichlorian count like Anakin did, he was a Gary-sue too, just not as extreme as Rey.

>>85521426
me 2nd to the left

>>85520782
/pol/ BTFO

>>85521426
I don't get how assigning a gender to the force would make normie women excited?

>>85521726
The empire was born out off the multi-race republic (like the Roman Empire). It makes no sense to be a human supremacy empire.

>>85521726
>>85521874
Or why they would be willing to make the empire cartoonishly and unrealistically evil when lots of kids think the storm troopers look cool. Fantasy is like the only place where "supporting" a semi fascist regime should be acceptable.

>>85521771
look up what a mary sue is before using it like a fucking retard

>>85521639
>better than Luke BECAUSE she's a girl.

Dude, you have no fucking clue just how bad it has gotten in the books. It's unreadable. They are either condescending to literally everyone, or pants on head retarded. And one is just like the other.

That is why I despair when I see these pseudo commies slither their way in an industry - all of their characters will be the same because they cannot allow for their sacred cows to have human flaws.

>>85521957
I guess George Lucas was a fan of Leni Riefenstahl's work.

>>85521874

Humans are the most numerous species in the Empire, and the Old Republic. Pandering to humans is an easy way to gain popular clout for any wannabe dictator, so even if Sheev didn't give a fuck about any particular species himself he would probably do that.

She was a competent fighter from the get go. We saw that earlier in the movie. Also, Kylo Ren was a shitty Jedi/Sith. Could barely enter someones head. Could barely sense shit.

You can bet your ass he was this snotty shit at the New Jedi Academy. Thinking he was hot shit, being the son of the Rebellion Generals and overall Legends. Then it turns out nah, he's below avarage at everything.

Snokey uses this to turn him to the dark side. Kylo lets the baddies in, slaughters all the kiddies, Kylo never even gets half-way in his training. Dude probably stopped as a 8 year old. At that time, with some slight training from Snoke he could overpower most people with some minimal mind-fuckery and being a scary dude with a red lightsaber.

Now, when he meets Rey, he hasn't been in a real fight for years. Getting sloppy and lazy, one-handing the lightsaber while he fights. Then suddenly, he meets a chick that has been fighting on her own against other scrapyard-finders.

Suddenly, he realizes he doesn't know shit. Looses his cool. Oh, and he just fucking killed his dad. Still conflicted. Not yet full darkside. (His eyes aren't yellow/gold, so its clear he hasn't gone full dark.)

No wonder he got his ass kicked by a girl.

Or is that it? You're just sad that the emo white dude got his ass handed to him by a GIRL?
So yeah. Shove that "Mary Sue"-shit up your ass OP.

>>85521957
Because trump won and fuck white people.

It doesn't matters, all (((their))) bullshit cant change the facts of the original trilogy.
Nu-starwars soon will be forgotten like capeshit.

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>>85522133

>>85521771
Anakin is not a Gary stu. That nigga got btfo by dooku. Not to mention everyone on the Jedi council other than obiwan (who would then also btfo him) and Yoda (who doubted him) treated him like dirt and constantly (rightfully so) doubting him as the chosen one. He was also a dumbass who got tricked by sheev.

>>85520782
This kind of trope has become very present in recent times thought.
Women just don't have to work.they get shit for free.

>>85521771
Except everybody thinks Anakin is a whiney little bitch, both in-universe and out.

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>>85522439
Has access to excellent cloners, doesn't think to make an obedient harem of his Waifu if she dies. Probably could ask for a few as a favor from them under the jedis noses since the republic is likely to need more clones to keep the peace when the war ends and the military industrial complex is a hard thing to beat, the senator from Kamino probably has bribed other senators so the clones keep flowing.

>>85522133

I'm pretty sure you are baiting but I will humor you

>is learning the force faster than any Jedi in Star Wars history for no explainable reason
>Knows things about the Falcon from being on the ship for 10 minutes that Han didn't know even though he flew the thing for decades
>Is better at flying the Falcon than Han ever was
>Uses advanced force techniques like the Jedi mind trick with no effort or training
>Is able to overpower a trained Sith's force pull with her own when she never used it before
>Dominates a trained Sith when it was her first time ever using a lightsaber
>Is instantly loved by everyone she meets, to the point that Leia chose to hug her over Chewbacca, her friend and a person who just lost his best friend

Would have ruined the movie even if the rehashed plot wasn't a thing

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>>85520891

>only other character to have both Anakin and Obi in them was Asoka

WHAT? can someone fill me in on this?

>>85522747
>senator from Kamino
I'm like 99% sure that Kamino wasn't part of the Republic, hence why they could clone and get away with it. But it's been years since I suffered through AotC

>movie came out a year and a half ago
>still assblasted that a girl was the hero

you people are the gift that keeps on giving

Rey is a Mary Sue because she is instantly liked, trusted and put on a pedestal by everyone she meets.

Han Solo wants her on his crew and trusts her enough to work on the Falcon. Chewbacca watches over her and rips off Unkar's arm to protect her, who also wants her for inexplicable reasons. Maz is willing to give her a lightsaber, and not just any lightsaber, but the Legacy lightsaber of the series. Finn loves her and his sole motivation in rescuing her is that he loves her. The major villains of the movie want her. Princess Leia hugs her and not Chewbacca when Han Solo dies, and personally tells her that the Force is with her. She inherits the Millennium Falcon, Chewbacca, and R2D2 when one of the three most beloved characters in the franchise is killed off. The primary villain of the movie, Kylo Ren, obsesses over her when she is his prisoner and is the first person in the movie to take his mask off to. Absolutely every single thing is handed to her and her competence and personality are never questioned in any way, shape or form by anyone in the movie.

This is what makes a Mary Sue. Not the fact that she has all of these amazing powers and abilities without even trying or without having been trained, but the fact that absolutely everyone she meets instantly likes and trusts her. This is the true mark of a Mary Sue, and it is due to an inability of a writer to create a compelling character. A Mary Sue will always be a stand-in for how the writer wants the fictional characters to react to them personally.

None of this can be refuted. She is a Mary Sue, and it isn't because she has powers and is a woman. It's because she is horribly written and to defend her is to defend bad writing.

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>>85522844
lewd af

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>>85520730
Nerdy shit was dubbed "cool" about 10 year ago. So NOW it's uhhh "swag" or something and as a result, femalesare getting in on it. Not like before when nerdy shit was social rejects, or w/e, and normie chicks only made fun of it. But marketers said it was uhhhhh "swavy" and because women out number men by at least a 4:1 ratio, they get alllll the shekels and normie fems vcan enjoy it now without being made fun of. Which is why they never even bothered to attempt to enjoy nerd things in the first place.
The Simpsons tried to warn us in 2000, but we didn't listen....we didn't listen.....

>>85522873
I didn't really watch the tv show but in one of the episodes they do have a senator

>>85520730
Please explain how she's a jedi master in any sense

I seem to remember her getting her ass beat for the most part by Ren, a sith apprentice who just happened to get shot in the fucking stomach by a wookie bowcaster (a weapon that killed two stormtroopers just by area damage earlier in the film). She beat Ren only after doing the magic close-your-eyes thing that Luke used to blow up the death star.

Her only real Mary Sue-moment was the millenium falcon chase early on, desu, but then again all the protagonists in SW have been using cheat codes when it came to pilot skills.

>>85521873
women are retarded

>>85523061

Kylo Ren is not a Sith.

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>>85521567
Imagine a world where feminists and other socialist swines wouldn't interject themselves and implode any hobby or industry from within. I'd like to know a single place where this is true. Just one. Name one.

>>85520730
No, it'S the power of power creep

Back then, lightsabers and the force were largely unexplored, but since that's no longer the case, people would probably be bored with luke 2.0

Not that it would've made a big difference. The movie turned out to be an A New Hope remake anyways

>>85520730
>It took Anakin several years.
>It took Luke a few months
>It took Rey a few days

Makes sense to me.

>>85522844
did you not read the novel?

>>85521135
>The pod racing thing is a stretch, I'll give you that, but child prodigies do exist.
>"i-i-it's o-okay when a m-male does i-it!!!!!"
Pathetic.

>>85523406
What about the next MC?

>>85523543

Clearly not, can you just fucking explain to me

>>85523114
Ok, a dark jedi/evil/badboy jedi apprentice, whatever. Changes nothing.

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>Race driver runs you over with a car
>Acquire driving talent
It's that simple - try it yourself.

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PM: Anakin uses the force, unknowingly, to win at podracing, and maybe mechaneching.

ANH: Luke uses the force to aim the torpedos at exhaust port. Does hearing Obi-Wan's voice count?
Also maybe using it to sneak around the DS.
And maybe fighting off TIE's after Leia's rescue. Maybe.

TFA: Rey (why a guy's name, albeit spelled different. Or shorthand for Freya?) Apparently, lightsabre's are Harry Potter wands now, as in "They CHOOSE their mahstah." "B.S." I say.
Arguably has been using the force periodically in her life to scrape by incidents that she otherwise would've been caught, or dead. She didn't have the same childhood as A and L. (I've only seen TFA, not any other media bout the new 52 Star wars). Which, IRL the son would be the one left to fend for themselves. Just sayin'.
Im just going on their first apperances in the movies and having to make exception for Rey, because I was expecting Jacen and Jaden not Rey and Ren.

>>85524859
K Y B E R
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>>85523782
Within a few minutes

Remind me again, why should you hate the Empire?
Sheev came into power by completely legal means and reformed the government to be more efficient. He also ended the influence of a dogmatic religion over the senate and politics in general. I mean his system was so efficient that after the fall of the Empire, the first order managed to build an even bigger death star without the republic noticing anything.
Now, either the Republic is really incompetent or the first order is just that good. Either way, it seems to me the latter are more fit to govern in any case.

>>85523782
A baby who uses force powers. Would still be more interesting then Rey.

>>85525191
FO kidnaps kids and brain washes them. Just as bad as the old republic using clones from Kamino.

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>>85520730
No, that is the power of the market research.

>>85525327
Jedi brainwash kids too.

>>85520782

first post best post

>>85525388
Jedi don't massacre villages because they were put under command of an angsty faggot

>>85525495
Yeah, they just try to assassinate politicians because they don't follow the same religion and start wars to free 3 of their spies who got caught.

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>>85525327
Apparently they do a really shitty job if all that brainwashing is undone by seeing someone die. I think the way Finn was written is equally as bad as Rey. Per dialogue, he'd never exhibited any signs on nonconformity. Suddenly he's a regular, slightly awkward guy who cracks jokes and has a sense of right and wrong. Then he's slaughtering troopers left and right and there are seemingly no traces of internal conflict or difficulty in overcoming years of mental and psychological conditioning. Some of the laziest fucking writing I've ever seen.

It's almost like the force awakened

>>85525828
>final scene
>rey approaches luke
>luke says "i sense an awakening in the force. i am no longer the last jedi"
roll credits

Yep

>>85525579
Seps hired someone to kill Pandabear Kenobi confirmed it

>>85520782
you're probably wrong

>>85520783
>prodigy kid
>literally study every single day like a monk for a decade
>oh how the fuck he turned into a master????!!!

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She's just extremely powerful. Her midichlorian count is presumably off the charts

>>85522917
She's a mary sue because she ruins the story.
Her character is forced so hard to become the most important person in the plot, that she completely overshadows everything else about the first order and the rebels.
She becomes so powerful in such a short time that there's not gonna be any doubt that she's gonna win by the end of this trilogy.

Rey is Kathleen Kennedy self insert. That woman was a secretary. She fucked a rich producer and all of a sudden she became co-producer in his company, just like that. A bit like when Rey pops the Jedi mind trick out of her ass.

What's even the point of Episode 8?

They can't use the hero's journey as Rey is already OP as shit.

There is no progression, Kylo should have beat her to make the next movies interesting, but now they're not.

How does a 30 year old man catch up to a teenage prodigy? It doesn't make sense from a narrative standpoint to have him get stronger than her, therefore the new movies will be pretty dumb.

It only makes sense if she goes to the dark side, but that won't happen either.

>>85520782
>hurt feelings???
>play the /pol/ card!

>>85520891
>She's the offspring of the Skywalkers and Kenobis.
Did Luke and Obi-Wan make butt babies?

>>85520783
>Anakin
>Jedi Master
Looks like someone didn't watch the prequels

>>85520730
>Mary Sue
umm, excuse me sweetie, can you please stop using that sexist term?

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>>85527433
this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz3oSYB5XB4

>>85523061
wow this is pathetic. I've never seen mental gymnastics like this before.

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>>85527673
>I've never seen mental gymnastics like this before.
You must be knew.

>>85527714
I'm totally knew here!

>>85522917
>instantly liked, trusted and put on a pedestal by everyone she meets.
>Absolutely every single thing is handed to her and her competence and personality are never questioned in any way, shape or form by anyone in the movie.

Is this a mary sue thing? Or a modern woman thing

>>85520730
Is the power of being a strong independent woman

>>85528298
>Is this a mary sue thing? Or a modern woman thing
Only if you're hot, Rey is not.

>>85522214
the only way they could make up for the mary sue would be that she had previous training, but even then it's such a cop out

>>85528557
Pretty sure most roasties are ugly without makeup

>>85520782
10/10 reddit comment, would create 50 accounts to upvote if i could.