does it ever blow your mind how unlikable literally EVERY single

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>>85518308
Did you forget about me?

Maybe you're under the influence of an alien mind. Kes, the cortical stimulator please.

HACUCHIMOYA

>>85518308
I don't blame the cast as much as I blame the writer's and showrunner.

>>85518308
Chocolate Day was fine in the first three seasonswhere they give him things to do. He pretty much vanishes from the cast for the rest of the series.

I'm on the last season of DS9, and scared to start Voyager when I'm finished. Is it really that bad?

>>85519598
None of the episodes have satisfying endings and the characters are just kind of uninteresting, but it's not as horrible as people make it out to be. Enterprise is much worse.

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>>85519651
>Enterprise is much worse

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Likeable pisses me off. What does that even mean? Me liking a character isn't a sign if they are a good character.

What makes a good character is a compelling story arc that is moved forward by the character having enough agency to affect the plot with their decisions.

The characters on VOY are fucking boring and all their problems are solved by Seven's nanoprobes instead a character having a moment of crisis where they have to make a tough decision that will have actual consequences.

>>85518308
Neelix is literally the worst character mate.

>>85519651
Voyager has a larger number of interesting characters than TNG

>>85520749
didn't really save the show now, did it? I mean, Data alone was more interesting than the entire cast of Voyager. You can make the characters have all the intriguing backstories you want, but if nothing ever comes out of it and the plots are dull then what is even the point.

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well said crewman

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care for a bowl of my leola-root stew?
famous throughout the delta quadrant!

>>85519651
The first half of Enterprise is worse than Voyager. Second half is pretty good tbqh

>>85519651

After the first couple of episodes Voyager settles on being a watered down TNG.

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Did I ever tell you about that time I worked on orbital tethers back on Rinax captain?

>>85519598
Some episodes are excellent, especially the Borg related ones. I always enjoyed the atmosphere of Voyager more than other Star Treks - they're actually isolated in the Delta Quadrant, giving the series and the ship a more comfy feel. Best characters are Tuvok, Doctor, Seven and Kim. And you will hate Neelix, I guarantee it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWlv_02fRyY

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come sit on uncle Neelix's lap..
It's storytime!

>>85520937
>>85520976
I hated Neelix until I watched the episode where he tried to kill himself. The fact that he had a lapse of faith and went full nihilist was superb and I think the idea of suicide was handled much better there than in the Worf episode.

The Doctor is literally the best character in the entire franchise.

>>85521059
>I always enjoyed the atmosphere of Voyager more than other Star Treks - they're actually isolated in the Delta Quadrant

which does not translate to the tone. at all.

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Neelix to Tuvok
Come in Tuvok

there's been a little accident in the transporter room..

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>>85521119
I mean Garak exists so not really.

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>>85518308
I liked Tom... But only because I imagined he was still being pursued for the Cosmic Key.

>>85521167
Hey is this pic from Hedonism 2?

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>>85521213
no but this is

Is it true that the guy who played Chakotay hated Voyager so much that he kept demanding pay rises in the hope that they would fire him?
But they just kept paying him more?

IT'S NEELIX TIME
please daddy no!

>>85519598

I recently rewatched all of Trek, from TOS to ENT. Going from DS9 to VOY is like driving your dream car down an open stretch of highway and suddenly deciding to go off-roading by steering the car off a steep embankment.

There are moments of fun and exhilaration, but in the end it's just one big goddamned car wreck while you reminisce about the way it used to be.

>>85519651

>Enterprise is much worse

I liked Capt. Sam Beckett tho

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>>85521433
Going form DS9 to Voyager is like going from drinking piss to drinking fine champagne.
DS9 was like the daytime soap opera version of trek.

>>85518308
I hate how no one really harbored anger towards Janeway for getting them stranded. They kind of just accepted it which isn't natural. From time to time it would have been nice to see the stress get to the crew over it.

Also, as mentioned 1,000 before more conflict between the two crews would have been nice. Voyager really let some natural conflict go to waste.

>>85518308
neelix was basically a better,more involved version of dyna

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>>85518308
Why don't you love me, anon?

Hirogen episodes are golden

>>85521119
Picardo was great but all of his scripts were ripoffs of Data episodes. And then they did it again with 7. Not to mention Odo sort of had similar plots as a human and there were elements of
>le discover your humanity but also appreciate what makes you not a human
with Spock.

>>85518308
It does. I'm currently watching it for the first time, and it's easily the biggest problem with the show. If the characters were good, then good episodes would be a million times better, and forgettable episodes would at least be enjoyable. As it is, all they do is help make weak episodes seems absolutely abysmal.

>>85520896
I disagree, I reckon Seven and The Doctor are very interesting characters that actually evolve over the show and end up in some thought provoking philosophical situations.

And Tuvok is as solid and well written as any other Vulcan.

And Harry is pretty comfy cos he's just a 20-something dude who wants to get home and bang his Chinese girlfriend

>>85519598
It's pretty fuckin' bad. You know that empty feeling you get when you see one of the bad TNG or DS9 episodes? You just kind of stare at the credits and think "well... at least it's over". With Voyager, it happens on almost every episode at a certain point, and there is no relief, because you know that the next episode is probably going to be horrible, too.

And I shouldn't say "horrible". There aren't really a ton of horrible episodes, they're mostly mediocre to forgettable, but in that mediocrity is a kind of horribleness, in that you keep waiting for those excellent episodes you know the show should have, based on what you know of TNG and DS9, and they never come.

As someone who only watched TNG and DS9 as a kid, it's weird to be watching a '90s Trek that is so consistently disappointing.

>>85521157
Their isolation doesn't have to match the tone. Because the crew stuck together for longer than expected, the crew develop a stronger sense of comradery, hence the comfy.

>>85522340
His gf was white and he stops caring about her by the 3rd season.

>>85522433
Ok I take it back Voyager is shit

>>85519651
Except Enterprise did Voyager better than voyager: the xindi arc in season 3.

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Crashing this Holodeck. With no survivors!

>>85521186
I always forget hes in that movie until I rewatch it again and many keks are had anew.

>>85521613
>Voyager really let some natural conflict go to waste

If I remember correctly, the studio thought DS9 was "too dark" so they wanted to lighten things up again, trying to get back to the balance that TNG had between fun and hardship.

Plus there was enough fighting behind the scenes on that production that I guess they had no reason to transfer it to the characters on screen.

>>85522526
Who's idea was it to convert the hirogen bridges into holodecks? Or even have it wired into any essential systems?

>>85522428
>the crew develop a stronger sense of comradery, hence the comfy
Except they didn't. The writing did nothing to convey this idea. Just because you think it should have happened doesn't mean that it did.

>>85521059
>they're actually isolated in the Delta Quadrant, giving the series and the ship a more comfy feel
Except they completely dropped the ball. Not much ever happens to really drive home the point that they're alone. There are single episodes of TNG and DS9 that handle the premise of isolation from the Federation better than the entirety of Voyager. Both of those shows constantly had conflicts that had to be resolved without resources from the Federation.

The biggest kick in the dick is that two of the best ideas that could have only happened in the Voyager setting (The Maquis mutiny and the Year of Hell) were basically both just "What if?" scenarios. What a fucking waste.

>>85521517
>DS9 has strong character relationships and conflicts, and not enough Borg nanoprobes, exploration and technobabble, so it's a soap opera
Plebbest of the Plebs.

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>Its a voyager is accidentally an episode of a better show episode

>>85522773
>The writing did nothing to convey this idea
Yeah it did - maybe not as good as it could have though. I recall heaps of episodes where they are bored and passing time. For example Harry and Tom fucking around on the holodeck recreating 50s movies.

>>85522428
>Their isolation doesn't have to match the tone

then what is the fucking point of the fucking revolutionary premise if all we get is seven more seasons of TNG only with a less likable crew?

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>>85522526

why did they lose like a foot and a half in the later episodes?

Voyager has a lot of problems, but as bad as it gets it still feels like fucking trek.
It gets a lot of meme bandwagon hate, its the weakest entry in the franchise, but still has good episodes. Counterpoint genuinely is one of my favorite trek episodes.
The show was just so inconsistent overall.

>>85518308
Chakotay and >>85518472 are the only good and likeable characters.

Janeway can munch on a bag of dicks. She's too fucking emotional to be a competent Commander but thats what you fucking get for
>putting women in commander positions

>>85521380
I tried to research this and while I couldn't find that story specifically, he was unhappy with the way his character was written and felt as if he had been pushed to the sidelines.

>>85522959
>the show makes the best use of its premise by showing the characters being bored
Voyager is a terrible Trek, and the only thing worse are the fans who try to defend it.

Just watched Time's Arrow. I thought it was good and entertaining, but the Mark Twain/Jack London stuff felt kind of dumb and out of place for Star Trek.

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>>85523074
>She's too fucking emotional to be a competent Commander
Better K/D ratio than Kirk, Picard, or Sisko. Stay salty.

>>85523345
>kills meaning anything
In fact that just shows her incompetency further.

>hey shouldn't we find a peaceful soluti-
>nah just kill 'em lol

>>85523074
>Janeway
>too emotional

oh give over

Kirk hams everything up when he's not being a sex god
Picard's just shakespearean his way through things and sounds like a silly preposterous wanker most of the time
Sisko's acting is borderline autistic and all he does is assault people or go insane
Janeway's a lot more realistic that them, she's not overacting so damn much
(Archer's also quite good too)

>>85523475
Borg pls.

>>85522698

It was sort of a matter of them being super militarily advanced but complete garbage in most other areas. They really weren't prepared to deal with holodeck technology since their species wouldn't have invented that sort of thing in a million years.

>>85523345
>the writing was so stupid and contrived that most conflicts usually just amounted to violence
>this makes Janeway a good captain
The delusion is real.

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>>85523074
>likeable

What does this even mean? I'm serious I don't understand what you liking a character has to do with them being well written. My autism is being legit triggered.

>>85518308
There's nothing unlikable about Seven.

>>85523752
Never got this either. Does it mean you want to be their friend? Or that you care about them or want them to succeed?

>>85523752
>>85523904
Maybe they mean "appealing"?

>>85522428
>the crew develop a stronger sense of comradery,
Except it doesn't develop over time. It's written as solid fact from day one. For example, in the pilot episode "Caretaker", Paris and Kim decide to be Best Friends Forever five minutes after they meet.

The writers wanted the glory of Bashir/O'Brien, Data/Geordi and Kirk/Spock/McCoy, but they were too lazy to put in the effort, so friendships like Kim/Paris come off as fake and forced.

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>>85524028
What makes a character appealing is agency.

You know what mad me a huge faggot for Bashir? The Wire. Here was an episode where Garak was sick and he did everything he could to push Bashir away, but Julian wouldn't budge. Julian is a man of morals and decided it was his duty as a doctor, and as a friend, to save Garak's life in spite of all the lies he told and the horrible things he said and did.

Bashir made a decision that affected his relationship with his friend, and I think that makes him a good character.

Plus I would drink a gallon of his semen like straight up no chaser.

>>85524028
That's possible too, as opposed to bland and uninteresting. But if that's what people mean, they should just say it. Likeable is vague and unclear.

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I think a characters likeability should now be judged based on how likely you are to drink a certain character's bodily fluids. If you won't drink their sperm then they are obviously a bad character.

>>85522433
I had no idea Kim even had a GF, guess it explains why he kept on dating unobtainable women but was still lonely for some companionship.
>>85520976
Neelix is for friend, not for fite.

After watching afew episodes where it gets into his backstory, just some nieve pacifist that didnt want to fight in the wars only to watch everything he loves just dies and turn into some serious ash shit, I just figured him as 'fucking ignore horrible screaming chared images of your famialy and everything is okay' kind of deal.
>>85521119
A hologram wrote this.

But for real, just imagining being a hologram programed to be the doctor, all of the doctors fucking die, your left on, gain some sentience and have to deal with a bunch of assholes that keep turning you off when you want shit not to explode.

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>>85524393
What would his semen taste like?

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>“Fast food burgers, fries, pizza and tacos have a chemical that make your semen taste bitter, so you’re better off, for your stomach and sex life, not indulging,” says House.

http://www.askmen.com/dating/dzimmer_100/130_love_answers.html

>>85521104
Except it would have been easy to calm him down with

"Well you came back to life, right? Why would you go to heaven when it wasn't your time to die?"

>>85523018
>7 of 9 on bondage

Oh my

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>>85518308
worst chakotay

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Chekote
best chakotay

>>85520976
How did he know what a delta quadrant is?

Why did he call it that when we only call it that because the federation founders called their quadrant alpha

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Does Data have sperm? What is it made of? Is it harmful to humans if swallowed?

>>85525803
>In every way, of course. I am programed in multiple techniques. A broad variety of pleasuring.
I think he does have sperm

>>85525803
i was quite enjoying star trek threads until your 6 month hiatus ended

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>>85523074
>She's too fucking emotional to be a competent Commander

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>>85526159
I hate myself too.

>>85523018
>why did they lose like a foot and a half in the later episodes?

Never noticed this. Would have been cooler if they kept the height

>>85526300
When are we getting our pic of Jadzia's titties signed by Siddig?

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>>85526460
Not until he signs my tits first.

>>85518308

It was more a writing problem than the cast. VOY had the worst writing of any trek series. Fucking abysmal.

>>85526656
There's anecdotal evidence of all the VOY writers hating their job and thinking they're better than this, and all the DS9 writers loving their job and caring about the show

Like the FRIENDS episode with the two parties - Voyager is Monica's boggle tournament, DS9 was Joey and Chandler's whitest rave ever

Everyone always asks about the best TNG episode (Rascals) or the best DS9 episode (Take Me Out To The Holosuite) but nobody ever asks what the best Voyager episode was.

What was the best Voyager episode?

>>85526787
Year of Hell

maaaaaybe Course: Oblivion

>>85526582
>Watching "That guy, who was in that thing" doc about working character actors
>Old guy looks dead into the camera and says "...And we all did star trek"
>Queue montage of all the literal who's showing up as alien #7, evil admiral of the week, and a dozen other bit parts I didn't even remember
Star trek kept food on the table for half the working actors in hollywood.

>>85526787
Counterpoint

>>85526821
The whole show should have been like Year of Hell. Federation ideals and principles stretched to the breaking point by 7 years of exile in an unknown and often hostile environment.

Too bad the writers were so shit.

>>85526787
Can't recall the name, but I liked the one where they were stuck above a planet with some time dilation shit going on and they became an idol to the planet over millennia.

Bought a TNG era com badge and rank pips

Not sure why, no plan to use them for anything

>>85526929
That one was great desu.

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>>85526787
I really like Tuvix. It's in my top 10 favorite Trek episodes off all time.

>>85524680
Gross. Would still suck fat Riker's fat cock.

>>85527006
Tuvix was a shit episode and Janeway made the right choice

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>>85526787
>Rascals
>Best TNG episode

>Holographic rights

>>85526262
Janeway. Because Tuvix.

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>>85527092
Even as a small child Keiko was trying to make him miserable and uncomfortable

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Reminder that this was an actual thing in TNG

They called it the ultimate martial art and Riker's dad cheated so he could kick his son's ass at it his entire life

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>>85527056
It may have been a bad episode in your opinion, but I still love it. I feel like it's one of the most memorable episodes of VOY.

>>85527417
Why did the 80s have a kitschy view of the future?

>>85527523
it was a kitschy decade

>>85519651
>Enterprise is much worse
this. also DS9

>>85527417
>Fighting with giant Q-tips in Nerf Robocop suits
What a fucking weird, specific vision for the future

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>>85527693
>is there a problem anon?

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>>85527523
People in the 80s legit thought the Japanese were going to take over.

>>85521059
He's right, Voyager IS comfy. I agree with you on the characters too. The rest kind of suck

>>85527523
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOV5WXISM24

>>85518472
Came here to post this.

>>85527569
Both Doctor Who and early TNG stay grounded in the 80s, they didn't try to go for a "timeless" look

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What are some people's favorite episodes? I mean ones that may not be objectively the best, but you just like them for whatever reason.

I really like the episode of ENT where Reed and Trip are trapped on a shuttle together, but I really like bottle episodes in general.

>>85528540
the magnificent ferengi

>>85528710
Don't reply to Bashirfaggot, it's the only way she'll learn

>>85527784
Smug bastard

>>85528807
I like Bashirfaggot, Trek threads are comfier with him/her/xher

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>>85529070
Anon, tell me about my sexual organs.

>>85518308
the newer Battlestar Galactica was the same way, only with the cylon woman in red taking your neelix role.

>>85522128
she was hot as fuck as Columbo's wife, and in Reno Williams

>>85523074
>She's too fucking emotional
her character is written and performed with great inconsistency. Kate admitted this herself.

>>85526821
yep
and
>>85526915
definitely

My Ds9 / TNG rewatch has stalled at Rules of Acquisition

I don't want to watch it, but it is a dominion episode so I kind of have to

Send help

>>85518730
This.
I actually find that Janeway is pretty solid captain when taken out of context of the rest of the series. In any given episode Kate Mulgrew does a good job be the idealistic, hardline federation type, the fuck-you-all survivalist type or the mom captain. Really if the writers did a better job communicating she could have all those traits layered nicely into a single character.

They pulled it off with Sisco but they also write him to change consistently and in varying levels. Over the series he evolves on each level as well as his father aspect has to deal with his son growing up, his federation aspect has to deal with balancing his political and religious responsibilities and his vicious aspect has to deal with the sacrifices of war.
Janeway can play any of these aspects in her own way but they are written to alter suddenly and erratically in extreme ways. So there is never any meaningful way for the character to grow because there are no patterns to build off of.

It's a real shame. A lot of voyager is, the actors are competent, the concept is great and a lot of the stories have have some solid ideas behind them. But none of it got enough love and we were cheated out of real cool startrek run.

To make everything worse there are so many moments and a few episodes that are really good you can see the show it could be just under the surface. It's a bummer.

I loved Voyager and thought the crew were great. When I heard about the fighting between Mulgrew and Ryan It actually hurt.

>At some point between 1947 and 2151, the Ferengi purchased warp drive technology from the Breen. The technology was traded by a single Breen in exchange for ownership of several ice comets in the Ferengi solar system, as well as a small ice moon and all the Arctic regions on Ferenginar itself. The Breen then departed Ferengi space, never to return. It is a common Ferengi myth that he took the Arctic regions with him, but since Ferengi do not like to be in cold places, none have ever gone to check.

God, I hate the Ferengi

>>85525704
Universal translator dickhead, I'm sure it can apply context if it can do all that other shit.

>>85530419
>God, I hate the Ferengi
https://youtu.be/M_dvF6JWf6g?t=111

>>85524510
chili fries

>>85530255
why? Kate is an established and talented actress. Ryan is a roastie who fucked (in a literal sense as well) up the political world for years.

>>85518308

Is Seven unlikable? I liked her. I like how Tuvok didn't immediately kowtow to Neelix's bullshit.

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>>85530929
I dont like Seven, but not because of her character. I like fan service as much as the next person, but I think having such a blatant character just there for a tits and ass ratings grab is tasteless and is a slap in the face to a show trying to empower women with a female captain and engineer.

>>85526700
It wasn't just the writers, the actors kept notes on their characters development.
I recall a story of Nana and Rene complaining to the writing team that a conflict between Kira and Odo was resolved off-screen.

>>85531066
I liked Seven but the series did just become the "Seven of Nine & Doctor Show" after she joined.
That cringy romance between her and Chakotay in the final season killed her for me a bit though.

>>85531321
Chakotay's actor was trying to get fired by asking for increasingly retarded shit, including demanding that Chakotay and Seven get together

But they refused to fire him, and wrote it into the show

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>>85531380
Did he also ask to have an episode about an inter-dimensional boxing match?
>>85531066
I also meant to add that I thought she looked loads better in the episode where she wore Starfleet uniform

>>85531534
>Did he also ask to have an episode about an inter-dimensional boxing match?

Maybe, this was after his pay rise and longer rest days an he'd ran out of stuff to actually ask for

So does the Negus just act retarded to throw people off?

There's times in this episode he seems like he actually might be really cunning beneath that horrifically retarded exterior

>>85526787
The one where Janeways tries to make the antisocial assholes who are pissed about being in the Delta Quadrant act more like part of the crew

>>85531742
He's just old. In his prime, Grand Nagus Zek was probably the most ruthless and cunning Ferengi around. You don't get that status any other way.

>>85531742
Zek was old and was Nagus for 91 years before he retired. They even had a whole episode about his failing mind.

>>85524393
This is a good measuring system

Uhura - no
Troi - maybe, some types of fluids at least
Crusher - yes
Tasha - na
Pulaski - nope
Jadzia - yes
Kira - in the later seasons, yes
Kieko - no
Ezri - yes
Janeway - maybe i guess
7 - fuck yes
Kes - no
Torres - yes
T'pol - yes
Asian com officer from Ent - yes

Why did they make Crusher wear a wig?

Was her being a redheaded waifu THAT important to Gene?

>>85532180
Yes
It's important to remember that Gene was already out of his mind in the late 80s.

>>85524680
That's common knowledge. Avoid greasy, processed and bitter food. Eat sweet food, pineapple is the best and lots of it for sweet seminal and vaginal secretions. You owe it to your partner to eat it.

Romulans did nothing wrong

>>85532604
Romulans are best korea tier

>>85528540
ENT is so garbage that I literally can't tell one character from the other. Want there some black guy who was the engineer? Or was he security?

>>85532633
Kim Jong likes the black dong

>>85525704
I'm pretty sure he took a crash course in Federation history and customs when he joined the crew. Having a translator is one thing but having no context would be Temba his arms wide open.

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>>85532770
Kes, weeping in fear and pain

>tfw no Darmok and Jalad on the ocean

>>85526787
The Captain Proton episode.

In Caretaker, Harry and Tom both mention being warned about the Ferengi at the academy.

I'm curious how that course would've went. Imagine going to school and taking a course where they show you all the crooked ways of, say, the Jews.

>>85533005
It was part of "Enemies of the Federation 101"

Start out with the silly buggers who will strip your ship for latinum, then move onto the Breen and Cardies and such

AP courses cover the Tholians and all that wierd shit

Watching the episode where Picard and Crusher can read each other's thoughts.

CRUSHER A CUTE!

>>85530104
Voyager is Star Trek: Missed Opportunities.
With all the fuckery behind the scenes it's a fucking wonder it manages to do anything.
I mean voyager is worst trek, but even worst trek ranks higher than the vast majority of shit.

>>85528540
Did you ever look at her bum?

>>85530002
That's a good one. Pel a cute.

>>85533191
Pel is a feminazi cunt who ruined Quark's life

>>85533260
>he gets to go on running the bar
>the one place in his life where he found the most happiness
Ruined how?

>>85533084
Come to think of it, Kirk's Enterprise sure did have a lot of run-ins with giant energy blobs or nigh-godlike beings.

>Class, when you're out in the middle of the Alpha Quadrant a giant green hand calling itself Apollo reaches out to you, what do you do?

>>85533333
Tell him that we worship Jesus Christ and the American Flag now.

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>>85533260
Quark ends up with Ro. He turned out okay.

>>85533333
Nice digits

>>85524393
I read this in Bashir's voice and it just sounded right

>>85533295
Lost him % of every ferengi deal in the gamma quadrant

He could have been a brickillionaire

>>85527092
He obviously just likes the lolis

>>85533456
Quark wouldn't be happy with all that money. The moral of Quark's story is that he finds true happiness with his friends.

>>85533489
Latinum buys a lot of friendship

>>85533497
That's not friendship.

>>85533534
Your opinion is extremely disrespectful to Ferengi culture

>>85531859
I remember that one, it's the episode where the Goauld takes over the guy and he can walk through shields for some reason.

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>>85530419
>mfw the Breen show up, fuck up Ferenginar's climate somehow by freezing the planet and claim it all for themselves

>>85533558
The very existence of Quark is disrespectful to Ferengi culture.

t. Brunt EFF SEE AY

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>>85533650
MOOOOooooOogie!

>>85533384
What is it with Bajoran women chasing the BFC?

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>>85532735
Mayweather was fine whenever they gave him something to do. He also had top tier taste in qt3.14s, and game for days.
I also like the spacer background of his character. That would have been neat to explore. It seems like if you're not the token alien on the cast you're a human from Earth. Aside from rape gangs, were any other human characters from a colony? Bashir's family was always moving around. Worf talks about growing up on a colony world, but later he talks about growing up on earth, geordi mentions once his parents were in starfleet so hewas always on a ship or outpost, but I think that's about it. Otherwise its just boring humans from "place you've heard of," earth
Doesn't starfleet have a captain from new switzerland

>>85533710
ugh, Rom why

>>85533737
They're=e so used to being sex slaves, it's all they know how to do

>>85531742
What even is the official capacity of the Nagus? If he is the political leader why does he travel around in just a shuttle with a single manservant? Why not a cruiser with countless bodyguards?

>>85533804
Why waste the money on bodyguards, he can just pay anyone who kidnaps him to let him go

That's like paying for insurane when you don't care about crashing your car because you'll just buy a new one

>>85533804
>Why not a cruiser with countless bodyguards?
That costs money.

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>>85533710

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>>8553373
>my face when Leeta leaves Bashir for Rom

Why? Just why?

>>85532604
Romulans are just PMSing Vulcans, so where did the nose ridges come from? Why no superpowers?

I tell you what, Into Darkness was ass.

But I liked the Spock / Khan fightnear the end, because Spock doesn't just go hulk smash mode. He actually fights like a Vulcan, using the nerve pinch when he gets the element of surprise, using a mind meld to make Khan break a grapple.

it was neat

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>>85533895
I'm actually a Miofag.

You think Kirk ever fucked a Ferengi?

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>>85533489
>he finds true happiness with his friends.
Like morn. The alcoholic glutton with a belly full of latinum and perpetual bad luck.
Based Morn. I'd give up everything to bro around with him all day. Go to the holosuites with him and worf and defend rammas echor in the battle of pelenor fields. Laugh at bashir and o'brien and the fagamo while we fuck klingon bitches at Vic's hotel. Scam some worthers off the nagus, fucj with odo, count the latinum, and then play some tongo.
Fuck yeah, it's a Ferengi life for me.

>>85534072
Maybe in the JJverse. In 616, we never met the Ferengi until Picard made first contact

You know, besides the ones who attacked Archer's ship. Or the ones in Roswell in the 50s.

>>85533384
Yeah but Bashir ends up a dribbling invalid Garak uses as a conversation piece.He can't even one beep for "yes", two for "no".

>>85533979
>>it was neat
>jumping around on flying garbage trucks like it's Star Wars or Mission: Impossible
It was shit

TNG Ferengi > DS9 Ferengi

>>85533745
Dr Crushers mother fucked an Irish ghost on some colony. Did she grow up there?

>>85534140
Was The Last Outpost REALLY the first contact?

>>85534305
First official contact, and I doubt spock would have kept it a secret if Kirk had gone to Ferenginar and fugged an armin shimmerman lookin alien

>>85534305
It was the first time they had ever seen one, there were run ins with different ships but no formal contact was made. Remember gene was really counting on them being the villains of TNG.

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>>85534158
C A N O N
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>>85534283
*Irish alien ghost

And i think it was her Grandmothers home planet the kinda Scottish/Irish planet. Possibly in the same system as the Roman planet, the Gangster planet, the Nazi planet and The cowboy planet.

>>85520722
True. But he is the best identification character for all the primo autismos.

I just watched some of the mater episodes because 6 of 9 did things to
>muh dicccc

>>85534452
Riker refuses a planet entry to the Federation because it has two governments on it

Planet of the Hats is the only way Earth can keep all the alien slaves in line

>>85521380
He never gave a shit about the show and only took the job because he wanted to work with the first actress they hired to play Janeway. She walked but he was stuck.

>>85533804
>What even is the official capacity of the Nagus?
The ferengi economy is like a libertarian's ponzi scheme with the nagus on the top. He's the president and CEO of Fuck-You industries.
I think the idea is that if you're the guy who makes it to the top of the ferengi totem pole it means you've cheated, scammed, grifted, jewed, fucked over, black mailed, bribed and/or stabbed the back of literally everyone they've ever met in their life for the sole motivation of their own personal material acquisition, greed, and ego. And to the ferengi those are all virtuous traits.
Wealth and greed is their religion and philosophy in the form of the great material continuum and the rules of acquisition.
The Nagus is the guy who personifies all those values. He's the HNIC because he's by nature the HNIC.
Zek is also lucky as fuck an insulated by the natural conniving state of ferengi.
If number two tries to make a play for power then number three would make a play for two while his back is turned.
For wildcards like brunt, you keep a slick operator like quark around.

>>85534305
Picard lost the stargazer in an attack by an unknown species they later discover were ferengi.
Early TNG ferengi arent exactly the same as late TNG or DS9 ferengi.

>>85534957
They were Wall Street fat cats in weaponised form

>>85534537
>Riker refuses a planet entry to the Federation because it has two governments on it
The idea is that if you don't have a peaceful politically stable planet you're not really ready for admission to the federation.
One of the things the federation does is help to negotiate and settle disputes like that for applicants (and really anyone who asks).
The federation is a coalition of thousands of worlds dealing with intergalactic politics and dispute. No one has time for your dip shot internal politics at that scale.
And if memory serves ricker told them both to fuck off because both sides were accusing them of being secret friends of the other side.

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>>85535003
>They were Wall Street fat cats in weaponised form
Lobeless dilettantes. Fractional reserve banking? Who are you trying to cuck?

>>85533897
Bashir should have left her. His intellect is beyond that of mere hoo-mans. Why should he strive for a glorified stripper? He can and should only reprocreate with a being, that is hundreds of years old and has experienced 7 life times, anything else is beneath him. As for love, we all know there is only one. And he is a simple tailor.

>>85534424
dont remind me

>>85534424
Wow. Bashir's left a hollow shell of a man, and that's with him thinking that he won a pyrrhic victory.
>Section 31 actually created and run by ancient computer network that installed itself on all Federation technology and became a quasi-shackled AI that's been guiding the Federation since it was created.
>Bashir, Sarina, Data, and Lal take it down.
>Sarina brainwashed by AI, attacks Bashir, is forced to commit suicide.
>Hurray, all Section 31 agents arrested! Bashir's injured, and is catatonic over losing Sarina. But at least he won!
>Whoops, only deleted the old framework of the AI, you just deleted the old restrictive codes. Everything has proceeded according to its design. The now fully unshackled AI is free to do what it wants, and Section 31 is no longer useful to it.
God, the newer Star Trek novels are pure garbage. In other news, water is wet.

>>85536504
What triggers me hard is that this implies that the AI is responsible for the the federations (or humankinds) success, making their ideals completely worthless.

>>85536819
inb4 it's secretly a Borg

>>85534536
>6 of 9 to ensign harry wang
>do you wish to copulate?

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>>85518308

EMH and Tuvok were fine, everyone else was either dull or plain ol' unlikeable.

>>85536839
But anon, the Borg got reabsorbed into the gestalt consciousness that their creator originally splintered off from.
Oh, and the first drones were temporally displaced humans from the NX-02.

Some things are made infinitely worse by trying to explain their origins. The Borg and Section 31 are two of them.

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>>85534424
>Garak keeps Bashir's mindless husk around as a glorified warm fleshlight

>>85535708

>His intellect is beyond that of mere hoo-mans.

But she was Bajoran.

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>>85519651
Enterprise is way better than Voyager.

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I can't deal with STD threads anymore.
>rumor surfaces that there will be a Muslim character
>dozens of angry posters insisting that Star Trek is a pure atheist vision
>news surfaces that the show will be atheist with no mentions of "God"
>dozens of angry posters insisting that Star Trek is a pure Judeo-Christian vision
There's just no way to make /pol/ happy.

But the worst... the worst of all... the line that I didn't think they would ever cross... there's someone in the STD thread insisting that fat people don't exist in Star Trek.

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>>85518308
>As for love, we all know there is only one. And he is a simple tailor.

^This tbqhwy senpai. Milesfags btfo.

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>>85537726

fix'd

>>85518308

I rewatched this recently, Season three was picking up, and had a few good TNG quality episodes.

Basics.
Coda.
Remember.
Darkling.
Rise.
Real Life.
Worst Case Scenario.


After three Voyager suffered for becoming the Jeri Ryan boob hour. Killed any potential the show had to match DS9.

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>>85538083

7 replacing Kes was a good thing though, at least imo.

>>85522428
>>85522773
BSG honestly had more comradely than Voyager, and there was a literal-non-holodeck mutiny on the Galactica, I think the difference is BSG had lows to highlight the highs, but on Voyager everyone just seemed naive or apathetic about their situation.

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>>85538003
Good, because I am fucking faded right now and have no idea what's happening.

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>>85522921
>It's a the holodeck creates in-universe access ports to the gel packs so we have an excuse for Janeway to go into a Captain Proton episode episode
>It's a holodeck even has anywhere for gel packs to be episode

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>>85519598

Yes. If you've seen TOS, TNG and DS9, then all Voyager episodes will be rehashes of earlier Trek plots. Berman and Braga have no original ideas.

>>85529556
Remo Williams was one of my favorite movie growing up, nice to see someone else has actually seen it.

Bashirfaggot if you're a girl why are you a faggot for Bashir? Wouldn't that just make you straight?

>>85523070
>Counterpoint genuinely is one of my favorite trek episodes.
Agreed. That's basically Janeway's Pale Moonlight except someone other than the audience knows about it.

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What program was he going to run?

>>85527056
>Get rid of Neelix
>Get rid of Tuvok

truly was a monkey's paw situation.

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>>85538880
Chick-fil-AFreeFridayBreakfast.exe with all safety protocols disengaged.

>>85537726
Did you just quote me >>85535708, or have I seen too many of your posts and now weirdly copy you? Fuck I#m confused.

>>85531859
>antisocial assholes

You mean the most normal people on the ship. Red shirts that knew they were only red shirts and tried to keep their heads down.

>>85539037
Does he go to the holodeck just to binge eat?

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>>85539210
Ssshhhhh.

It's Porthos time.

>>85526787
>the best TNG episode (Rascals)
Wrong, and pedo detected
>the best DS9 episode (Take Me Out To The Holosuite)
Wrong, and troll detected

>>85518308
EMH is great
Neelix is great
Tuvok is great
Harry gets all the sympathy

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>>85539601
Being Tuvok is suffering.

>>85539429
Did you give him cheese again? fuck you gave him cheese again, you know it's not good for him, no matter how much he looks at you with his puppy eyes, it's just not healthy

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>>85527417
What did they mean by this?

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>>85539911

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>>85539761
He likes gruyère

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>Don't wanna let you go~ooooo, I never can say goodbye~ee girl, Ooh, ooh baby, I never can say goodbye, no no no, no no no, o~oooh, oh

>>85526787
Year of Hell and Course: Oblivion. Year of Hell would have been better as a half-season or full season, but long arcs weren't really a thing they wanted to do.

What are people's guilty pleasure episodes? Episodes that were utter garbage that you got a kick out of anyways.

I had fun with Macrocosm, the one with giant viruses. Kathryn Ripley stars in: Die Hard on a Starship. This may or may not be because it reminded me of Next Generation's Genesis.

>>85540286
WWYD when porthos pisses on the sacred tree, and those lazy fucking ayy lmaos didn't screen his genetic make up to filter for possible contaminants

>>85540247
>>>/u/

>>85530419
>but since Ferengi do not like to be in cold places, none have ever gone to check.
I bet some have, but they just disappeared never to be heard of again like the Klingon invasion fleet they sent against the Breen.

>>85539911
It's a Dirty Pair reference. There's also mention of Kei. The names Kei and Yuri show up all over TNG.

Someone post the pasta about why obrien is not to be fucked with.

>>85540589

Their culture was pompous and fuck-headed and they had to create the condition where the Enterprise required something from them. Otherwise any sane person would have just told them to fuck off.

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>>85518308
>He doesn't know about Flotter or Treevus

>>85541548
>pompous and fuck-headed

Archer was pompous and fuck headed.

>any sane person

Any sane person would look at Archer's insane antics in sickbay and root for the aliens. Nothing says Trek more than slap stick non-comedy.

>>85538880
I want to cuddle fat Riker

>>85532164
Uhura - no
Troi - yes
Crusher - yes
Tasha - no
Pulaski - yes
Jadzia - yes
Kira - yes
Kieko - no
Ezri - yes
Janeway - yes
7 - yes
Kes - no
Torres - yes
T'pol - yes
Asian com officer from Ent - yes

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>>85542297
>Pulaski: yes

>>85542382
>he hasnt seen tos pulaski.

>>85534090
If Morn was so rich, why did he spend so much time ferrying around Alien Betroot?

>>85533710
>He doesn't call his mother Moogi
Why does she have such a shit taste in TV?

>>85533745
>>>/blacked.com/

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>>85542473
She's pretty cute

>>85527248
Tuvix was an abomination!

>>85537592
I like that there's this thread and STD has a separate thread right now. Every discussion about it seems to be the same and it gets old really fast.

>>85542055

T'pol played it from the wrong angle anyways.

She should have told him it was a dumbass move to bring his dog. On the basis that if he cared about his dog at all, he might consider that they screened humans for pathogen compatibility but failed to send them the genome for canis familiaris. That's why the first captain of a vessel like that would almost certainly be a scientist, diplomat or anthropologist. Not a fucking pilot because that makes absolutely no sense in that universe. In fact it probably would have been a military strategist.

Eeeuughh...

>>85542652

If I were a guy in the 60's I would have been happier than a pig in shit to date somebody that attractive.

>>85542819
Generals are cancer.

>>85542848
Enterprise seasons 1 and 2 were absolute garbage, some of the worst Trek ever. 3 was decent, and 4 was good since they actually started doing the shit the show was supposed to be fucking about, the beginnings of the Federation.

>>85542819

WE

>>85543182

I love that episode where they go to that automated repair station and I don't give a fuck. In fact it's one of my favorite episodes in all of trek. If all of Enterprise had been like that, just crazy shit where they barely seem to understand how anything works- that would have made the show.

It would have been a far more realistic representation and the show would have been fun as fuck that way.

>>85543251

It means fucking off with the temporal cold war adding to that. Couldn't we just have blamed a lot more of the conflict on the complete incompetence of the humans after a certain point?

Archer honestly should have been an anti-hero. The kind of shit he pulled during the Xindi conflict should have been par for the course.

>>85542382
gilfs are hot

>>85543598
Now i want a Voyager show where they actually become hardened unempathetic killers and all get sent to prison when they come back home

Reminds me of that one episode with punished Kim and Chakotay
Having the characters take reprehensible actions and then deal with the consequences would have been interesting but probably hard to pull off properly in a Star Trek setting

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Is this Regis and Kathy Lee interview with Quark part of the prime timeline?

>>85542848

Wait a minute. You blame T'pol for Archer being completely retarded?

>She should have told him it was a dumbass move to bring his dog

Is she suppose to tell him how to wipe his ass as well?

>>85543790
Yeah and that's the problem; the idea of eroding your core ethical principles is completely antithetical to the idea of Star Trek. So I don't know if I even think the idea of Voyager would even work the way it should

>>85543598

>the reset button

it's like he never watched any Trek before..

>>85544498
If they wanted to use the reset button then they should have used a different premise for the show.
If they wanted to use that premise for the show then they shouldn't have used the reset button.

It's fine if TOS or TNG doesn't keep track of their torpedo supply, because they can always get resupplied at a starbase. If it's part of Voyager's premise that Voyager can't replace their own torpedoes then gosh darnit they need to keep track of that.

>>85544660
Janeway added phage torpedoes, along with Borg interquadrantal warp drives and Hirogen hunting sensors to the warship voyager.

>>85519894

Actually Enterprise was better than Voyager on average - HOWEVER - that fucking OP aka Intro was god aweful and turned me off from watching the series immediately. Only after a later DS9/BSG/Voyager/Stargate+++ rewatches and I was jonsing for something new did I try it out.

Quantum Leap guy wasn't as bad as I thought he was going to be, also gets better the further in seasons you go. Better than TNG, not as good as Voyager DS9. DS9 is king.

>>85544660

>ground breaking technological and story concepts introduced every episode and have no effect on the next

>worried about torpedo count


this is where nerd fans ruin franchises

>>85521075
was neelix a pedophiliac

>>85545607

>implying there's anything wrong with that in the delta quadrant

everyone was just accommodating his local culture..

>>85532585
wow i never even considered that the pineapple thing might apply to a woman

too bad i'll never get the chance to munch on a vagina much less the vagina of a woman who would care enough to eat pineapples for me

>>85526787
Coda

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>>85544123
I think it could but it would take a lot of work and skill. I don't agree with the comment you were responding to because like you said it goes against the basic core of startrek. Not to mention unempathetic become boring to watch very quickly without frequent contrast.

But something close to Dominion War arc of DS9 is almost there. It's the Federation principles being tested. Sometimes they hold true, sometimes they need to be bent or even broken. The fact that the characters keep striving for goodness against the odds is what makes it engaging to watch.

So have some episodes where they barely scrape by luck or sacrifice and to make it meaningful some where they don't, where they have a net loss, or they can't save the day. Have a couple where things go incredibly well and everyone is saved which are made meaningful by the episodes where they have to make a serious moral hit.

But the idea would be that you couldn't be certain whether things would work out or not. It's not that everyone is hard or brutal but they have to be more cautious, less ready to interfere and treat their victories and living crew more precious than ever.
They would also have to lean more heavily on the allies they can find. So often the Starfleet is the one offering aid but now they will have to learn how to accept it.

Over time they would have to rewright some of prime directive, not so they can wantonly murderer, but so they can still be just with limited resources. It's not a show about eroding morals but one about how to be the Federation when you don't have the clear upper hand.

>>85526262
i haven't sat down and watched every episode yet, but it seems like Janeway only follows the Prime Directive when she feels like it.
is that correct or is there some rhyme or reason to when she decides to follow it?

>>85537592
>there's someone in the STD thread insisting that fat people don't exist in Star Trek
why would they?

>>85547061
There is no rhyme or reason. It's not that the character is crazy, that would require consistent writing and giving any kind of shit. She just has the poor fortune of being in a poorly produced show.

It's a series that makes a lot more sense most of the time if you don't pay attention to any continuity.

>>85518553
Hehe. In all seriousness though, that akuchimoya stuff was pretty silly

>>85519007
I liked his character. From the Maquis and all, stranded in the delta quadrant with Star Fleet guys. Pretty cool... if you ask me...

>>85520983
There was at least one really great episode in the beginning of Enterprise. The one about the Klingons and stuff.

>>85521023
That's not quite right but it's danged close to the mark. Also, a watered down TNG is still pretty good.

>>85521042
Hehe. I would totally hang out with Neelix irl.

Anyone who says S3 of ENT is better than S1 and S2 should refrain from posting.

>>85521294
Hehe, that rascally Neelix.

>>85521400
You have to admit, Neelix had a personality. Way better character than, say, Sulu.

>>85521424
Hehe, pretty cool image of Neelix from Startrek Voyager.

>>85521483
Yeah man, Enterprise is underrated as heck. I gotta rewatch that show. I really liked it back in the day. Malcolm was a boss!

>>85521977
He were more of a Guinan, weren't he? Kind of like a Guinan mixed with a little Spock.

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>>85547341
>why would they [insist that]?
Because there's a thicc person in STD, and some people have dedicated their lives to hating every single aspect of STD.

>why would they [exist in Star Trek]?
I don't know, go ask Riker and Scotty why they're so fat.

>>85522204
Eh... eh... might have to disagree there.

>>85522276
I like Data episodes.

>>85540440
I think we all know now 'faith of the heart' works better

>>85548360
He was a con artist with an underage slave. Janeway breaks his mind somewhere around the 5th episode.

>>85545607
The Ocampan species enters puberty at around 4 years old.

Neelix was fucking Kes when she was 1 year old.

Even for the standards of her own species, Neelix is a child molester.

Chink co tay and kes were the only shit character's. Everyone else was awesome. Neelix was godtier, his character was perfect.

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>>85548001
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>>85548281

I like Hehe poster.

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>>85548376
Why did he get so fat?

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This guy has too many nostrils

>>85538215
Just think... she could have replaced Harry Kim. It would have been so much better.