DCEU >"If God is all good, then he cannot be all powerful.

>>85487155
>DCEU

In dire straits

>MCU

Printing money

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>>85487190
>DCEU

Has Oscar

>MCU

Nickelodeon Award

>>85487155
if that statement really makes you ponder, then you were challenged long before you saw the movie.

i was amazed at the fortune cookie level of philosophy portrayed by snyder. i kept wondering if he was 12 years old.

>>85487155
>"If God is all good, then he cannot be all powerful. If God is all Powerful, then he cannot be all good"
>Brainlets get challenged by a over 150 years old incomplete statement by Kierkegaard
top kek

Is God balding in the Bible?

>>85487235
>DCEU

Suicide Squad

>MCU

No Suicide Squad

>>85487190
>Kierkegaard
>>85487286
>>85487298
>>85487314
t. pussies to afraid to challenge >>85487235

>>85487235
>MCU

Has an audience

>>85487190
>First 4 Marvel films
1.7 billion on 700k budget
>First 4 DCEU films
3 billion on 800k budget

>>85487348
>First 4 Marvel films
>1.7 billion on 700k budget
1.4 billion

>>"If God is all good, then he cannot be all powerful. If God is all Powerful, then he cannot be all good"

Anybody else bother by the fact that he is saying that to superman. A person who has never claimed to be god in anyway.

>>85487328
ouch

>>85487348
IT

PRINTS

MONEY

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>>85487328
MCU is Oscarless regardless
>>85487345
If by audience you mean little Roblox faggots who watched CW because of Disney shilling hard in their tard game, then yes Marvel does have an audience.

>>85487441
What the fuck is Roblox

>>85487235
>Has Oscar
FOR IMMIGRANTS AHAHAHA

>>85487463
A game for little aspies that gained traction recently and Disney saw this and shilled really hard in it. My little cousin has the DINDU Panther mask on his playermodel thingy
>>85487475
What the fuck did he mean by this?

>>85487514
>My little cousin
Yeees...your cousin.

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>>85487558
>moving goalposts this fast
$5 robux has been deposited into your account

>>85487588
Anon, I'm not the one who knows all about Disney's marketing strategy on a "game for little aspies".

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>>85487514
>What the fuck did he mean by this?
It only won because it was the most politically charged oscars yet
https://youtu.be/A666RMN2Kvc?t=2m15s
Remember how all year Toni Erdmann was supposed to win best foreign film and then all of the sudden Trump won and did the travel ban?
Remember how a movie about hollywood jerking itself off(La La Land) somehow lost even though movies like this always win?
>b-b-b-ut casey affleck
Connected to Ben who is also a supporter of terrorists
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vln9D81eO60

Marvel movies have their problems. From the retarded quips to the TV level production style to the at times average special effects. Several of their problems are only part of their earlier films. But DC is so much worse in every single way. Nothing about the DC movies is compelling or interesting. They fucking managed to make a Batman vs Superman movie dull and Superman unlikable! DC is so obviously desperate to catch up that they didn't even bother with establishing their pantheon. After Man of Steel they just immediately threw out BvS with Doomsday as evil monster guy who kills Superman. BvS, Doomsday, Superman dies... They tried to put so much hype into that movie to make sure it's a hit and the result was still just bad. DC tried so hard to go the serious way that it just looks desperate next to the Marvel films which while ridiculous at times are at least really fun and entertaining for the most part. I don't give a shit about anyone in the DC line-up.

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>>85487616
stop watching flicks meant for literal kids then
>>85487638
tl;dr
also you wouldn't be saying this if CW won an oscar

>>85487348
How bout comparing earnings for movies released in the same time period?
MCU literally created the market for capekino - something that would've never been possible if DC was in charge of it back then.

>>85487726
>MCU literally created the market for capekino
Um, that was SM2 and TDK anon

>>85487719
>stop watching flicks meant for literal kids then
Hey, I'm not the one watching his "cousin" play aspie games.

>>85487155
>DCucks having epiphanies at philosophy 101
You know how I can tell you're 20 years old?

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>>85487757
do you not have any young cousins?
Roblox is trendy right now

>>85487747
x-men before them to be fair.

DCEU
>"If God is all good, then he cannot be all powerful. If God is all Powerful, then he cannot be all good"
>Audience is laughing so hard at Eisenberg's awful performance that whatever pompous point he's trying to make sounds like a a bad joke

MCU:
>"There's only one God ma'am and he doesn't dress like that"
>Audience enjoys how Cap sticks to his values when faced with unexpected situations and loves the character even more with a simple joke

>>85487878
DCEU
>Audience is plebshit normies who wanted to see a quipfest but can only focus on le "MARTHA" meme because they have ADD

MCU
>Same audience but the flicks are focus tested to help focus the ADD of the audience.

>>85487155
That line from the Avengers was some of the best characterization in the entire franchise, and they did it in one sentence. That's good writing, like it or not.

>>85487155
I think there's room in the world for both takes. I prefer DC because they're treating the lore with respect and not shying away from the impact that actual superhumans would have on society, like Watchmen if it weren't mired in Cold War paranoia and cynicism.

I like most Marvel films, too, but solely when I just want to turn my brain off and be entertained. I have to make a conscious effort to not think about how far afield the depictions of the characters are from their comics counterparts and how superficial their commonalities are.

Both offer entirely different forms of entertainment and I honestly wish the partisan console wars bullshit would die.

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>>85487348
Hello yes I am autistic.

>>85487949
sure, that's why the Dark Knight movies were so hated right?

also
>DC movies aren't focus tested

>>85487348
B.T.F.O.

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>>85487475
Holy fuck finally somebody else realizes this.

This was the year that the academy finally bowed to political pressure and suicide squad was also the only movie nominated in its category to have a team made up primarily of migrants as opposed to Americans. What a surprise that that team won and ended up making their entire acceptance speech about how awesome immigrant labor is

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>>85488013
Those sons of bitches brought the war to us.

>>85487831
And Blade before all of them.

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>>85488170
Oh, I'm well aware.

>>85487155
DCEU:
>Pseudo-intellectual nonsense to make DCbabies feel smart
>Brooding and sulking characters

MCU:
>Funny banter and characters with likable personalities designed to give an enjoyable but cheesy superhero movie (and not a cringy overly serious one)
>Is the more successful franchise

FTFY

>>85488215
And the 90s Cap movie before that.

And the 90s Batman before that.

And the 70s Superman before that.

And the 60s West Batman before that.

And the serialized Batman, Superman, and Captain Marvel film shorts before that. An incomplete list, but I think you get my point.

>>85487155
>causes you to think and ponder
t. High school philosophy student
Fucking /v/edditor plebs
All capeshit is garbage, you have to be 12 years old to enjoy this trash. Watch some real films you reddit manchild

>>85487155
I prefer DC's serious approach over Marvel's funny approach. Sadly, DC has been making shit movies other than WW and Watchmen. Marvel's movies are usually better. The tide seems to be turning a bit though. Marvel has had some very lame movies.

>>85487475
>that dogfucker from YMS correctly predicted the oscar going to The Salesman just so they could have the sadsack "He wasn't able to attend because Drumpf travel ban" shit

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It's like you guys have stakes on either company with this shit fucking debate EVER. FUCKING. DAY.

Fuck.

>>85488352
If you still haven't figured out that Lex's whole speech about the Epicurean Paradox wasn't a smokescreen, you really should stop talking about other peoples' intellectual/developmental inferiority, brainlet.

>>85488380
>Sadly, DC has been making shit movies other than WW and Watchmen.
Watchmen is overrated and Wonder Woman is complete fucking trash.

>>85487389
The world sees superman as a God.Lex wants to prove them wrong and show that Superman isnt all good. Thats why he says "They need to see the fraud you are. With their eyes. The blood on your hands."

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>>85488231
But yes, I absolutely do agree with you that this stupid console wars should end. But I don't think it ever will as I've long suspected this isn't just a fanboy battle.

I didn't even mind Marvel before they attempted to push Marvel as the only standard in which superhero films should be compared to. It's fucking cancerous and is bringing down a whole genre down a homogenous path of inevitable self-destruction.

Films like BvS are absolutely necessary to diversify the genre. Just as Iron Man was in 2008. Like them, hate them, those experimental films are necessary to test the boundaries of the genre. Even Marvel, with its "golden standard" is facing huge diminishing returns now. Civil War fell short of Iron Man 3 and let's not even mention Homecoming.

>That's how it starts, sir. The fever, the rage, the feeling of powerlessness that turns good men... cruel.

>wanna get shwarma>? XD

>>85487719
>participates in pretty console war arguments in defense of capeshit garbage
>stop watching flicks for literal kids
Really?

>>85487190

>dire straits
>Wonder Woman surpassed GOTG2 domestically and will top 800 million next month. At least

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>>85487719
>implying batman and superman aren't for children

>>85487726

Nolan was in charge back then. Nolan ruled the world

>>85488435
Yeah, I absolutely believe that shilling is ever-present, even here. I'm also getting pissed off at the whole racial element that's creeping into it. I'm the guy that got accused of being a "pajeet" for liking the DC films and proved just how wrong they were.

>>85488488
and note how Wonder Woman is entirely similar to the MCU movies in tone and as far away from BvS and MoS as possible.

>>85487348
>I'm just gonna totally ignore the years those movies were released

>>85487155
thats old dceu now they'll have the same amount of quips to copy marvel.

>>85488530
Dude the whole reason you're being called a Pajeet is literally because some Marvel shills got mad people started to accuse them of being third-worlder Disney shills. And cancerous as they are, they took it as a sign that they too should be copy-pasting that accusation without realizing the actual meaning of it.

>>85487441
>only movies that won Oscars are good
So I guess Suicide Squad must be a good movie since it won for Best Makeup.

>>85488539
Not as far as you'd think. Some of the same themes are present, just fewer of them as it's a more focused film. It's actually got a lot more in common with MoS than anything else.

>>85488539
marvel didn't invent humor retard
if anything SS was the closest
I dont remember any MCU films actually portraying the enemies as sympathetic. Just faceless droves.

>>85488215
Most people don't even know Blade is a superhero movie

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>people are still arguing over which turd franchise stinks less
You guys will lap up any shit they serve you as long as it has your favourite badge slapped on it. Take a step back and realise you're arguing about extended toy commercials made to appeal to the lowest common denominator

>>85488587
But I actually enjoyed Wonder Woman and wasn't laughing the whole time like Man of Steel.

it's almost like Snyder is a pretentious hack

>>85488539
So Marvel won despite it losing now?

Ok, let's humor the idea that by copying Marvel, DC is now killing Marvel actual (if you can call Disney raping it actual)

Is this what you wanted? Marvel finds itself outplayed by DC mimicking its game but improving some basic aspects becoming much more lucrative to audiences?

All that you've accomplished is made DC the new Marvel as Marvel grows increasingly irrelevant by the year.

>>85487155
You realize that that "challenge" is hundreds of year old and babbys first theology tier shit these days, right?

I think both Marvel and DC fans can admit Suicide Squad was a shitty movie

>>85488614
The irony is that it's even more pretentious to call someone else pretentious

>>85488642
DC fan here. Yeah, in spite having a lot going on that I liked, like the look and personalities of the characters, the movie just flat wasn't good.

>>85488642
You underestimate the stubbornness of the eternally infantilised manchildren that argue over capeshit on this board

>>85488656
Exactly.

"I'm too smart for this film that is smarter than the average dumb film, look at me being smart ha ha"

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>>85488656
No it isn't anon.

>>85487155
>If God is all good, then he cannot be all powerful. If God is all Powerful, then he cannot be all good

why not?

>>85487831
Batman (1989) to be really, truly fair.

>>85487328
>DCEU
Suicide Squad
>MCU
Thor: The Dark World
*drops mic*

>>85488689
Nobody ever argues for SS you fucking wanker.

>>85488704
If you are too smart for it, then the smarter film is the one that's more insulting due to its shallow and failed attempt to be something more.

Marvel may be a bland, safe Joss Whedon quipfest, but at least it's not a complete fucking disaster like BvS and even parts of MoS were.

>>85488720
Because evil exists in the world.

>>85488704
>BvS
>smarter than the average film
I can't imagine being this easily won over by shitty cliche motifs and philosophy 101. You should read the spark notes for L'ÉTranger. It'd probably blow your mind.

>>85488735
>Nobody ever argues for SS
>Muh makeup Oscar means it was good!

>>85488539

A lighter tone does not mean the same tone. Jenkins infused her movie with hope and levity, without compromising solemn moments and the seriousness of the war. If you want to compare it to something, you might try the original Iron Man which had RDJ doing his shtick but in a reserved way, especially compared to the flanderization he goes through now.

But Jenkins' real blueprint for her film came from Superman 78.

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>>85488766
>more insulting
>he becomes insulted by capeshit
Goes back to>>85488656
I bet you smell your own farts and then clap yourself on the back for realizing that while Marvel is dumb, you can atleast acknowledge is dumb by the constant interruptions of quips so your intellectually superior mind never needs to actually care about the actual film.

>>85488720
It's called the Problem of Evil. If God's all-powerful, then why does evil even exist?

The mistake the posit makes is equating what mankind views as "good" and "evil" with what an unknowably powerful omniscient being would view as such.

>>85487155
Oh wow baby's first epicurean paradox. Fucking kill yourself.

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Why don't Marlels possess the vocabulary to actually discuss film? You see how their criticism usually ends at "pretentious" or "hack" while DC bros can write entire pages on the Superman/Batman relation in BvS all while barely scratching the surface.

I think they try really hard to hate a film but can't really argue why when you also have to carefully phrase yourself so you don't accidently end up insulting the much inferior Marvels with not even a fraction of the substance.

>>85488871
That's the brilliance of using it. The smokescreen not only distracted Superman, it distracted most of the audience, too.

We actually got a villain who's legitimately intelligent for a change instead of just "smartarded," and dismissive snobs can't even come down from their ivory towers to acknowledge it, at least without taking the discussion to a meta level.

>>85488027
>not one single response

hmmmm

>>85488914
You can intellectualise a children's movie all you like, but at the end of the day it's still a children's movie. It might be time to move on to something a little late challenging. Try checking out /lit/ for some recommendations

>>85488978
maybe if the entire movie wasn't horribly written and Eisenberg's performance wasn't awful, people wouldn't be so dismissive.

>>85488914
Top is boring and bland. When goofy DBZ action happens it looks jarring. Tries to hard to appears serious which is the losing formula for capeshit.

Bottom is silly and colorful fun. Like capeshits are supposed to be.

>>85489046
His performance was excellent though. Lex finally makes sense now, a worthy rival to Superman.

>>85487155
>Audience is challenged by this statement and ponder introspectively
That's some edgy high school philosophy at best.

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>>85487155
>Audience is challenged by this statement and ponder introspectively

That Philosophy 101 trite challenged you intellectually? Are all DCEU fans high school dropouts or what?

>>85489075
he's played like The Riddler, Spacey was much better, Hackman was much better.

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>>85487155
> unironically praising grade school atheism that doesn't hold up if you're actually familiar with scripture

>>85489036
>why aren't all stories like muh Disney kiddy MCU

I will even add that the actual kids films Disney made in the 90's had better writing and took themselves more seriously than the MCU is. The MCU is basically one big giant joke where nothing is taken seriously and you're supposed to have a smug distance to everything happening because that's the era of non-sincerity we apparently live in now. So shut the fuck up next time you try to defend MCU's infantile writing that is an insult to even Disney's animated films.

>>85489157
It's not meant to be a conclusive statement on religion. Snyder is a devout man. It is really just a smokescreen disguised in intellectualism and philosophy.

Name me a single thing that has the same emotional punch as the tumor in GotG2 from a DC movie.

>>85489034
I know. Amazing isn't it?

>>85489159
Being seriously didn't really work for BvS.

>>85489159
>being this trigger happy
I didn't mention the Marvel movies once in my post because I'm not defending them. They're garbage. Way to ignore my entire post in favour of comparing your capeshit to other garbage once again in an attempt to deflect.

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When you see a comic page like this, who in the field of CBM, do you believe can at best capture this visual identity?

>>85487155
No one ponders on the DCEU quote because it's something an edgy teenager would think of.

>>85489157
If it was Atheism, he would've outright said God doesn't exist. If anything, that's text book questioning faith bullshit that lots of Christians go through.

>>85489283
Everyone making comic book movies including Snyder is a talentless hack, so none of them.

>>85489283
too bad the artwork in Kingdom Come is the only good thing about it.

>>85489283
What do Continental Ballistic Missiles have to do with capeshit?

>>85489348
The problem was that he was implying toward Supermen, but Superman isn't a god nor claimed to be. So the whole plot is based on luthors edge.

The Marvel vs DC thing is the most autistic thing on this board, and that's saying something. It's /v/-level Sony vs Nintendo shit. I'm convinced you're all pre-teens.

>>85489349
You sound really mad now. I guess it's death before admission with you.

>>85489407
No, I'm just being honest. There's pretty much no cinematic talent in the world of superhero movies.

>>85488027

half that money is fake from chinese moneylenders

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>>85489145
They were both great. Hackman was very much the catalyst for the re-imagining Lex received in the 80s, but here's the thing:

As brilliant as Spacey's turn up to bat might have been, there's something there that should bother you:

>"Show me everything. Start with crystals."

His Lex, and by extension, Hackman's both suffer from something I've come to think of as "smartardation" - characters who are presented as supposedly being simply blinding in intellect, yet doing remarkably stupid things. How could an intellect capable of understanding thousands of years worth of alien science be the same guy whose "brilliant schemes" just add up to real estate scams with delusions of grandeur?

Eisenberg's Lex gets a similar infodump from the Kryptonian database and he doesn't just process it all and keep on trucking. It actually cracks him a bit, and you can see it in the contrast from the glib delivery in his first scene and how he behaves through the bulk of the film.

>>85489392
No it's based on Luthor disguising his jealousy and greed in benevolence and good.

He had you fooled. It's ok, that's what smart people do.

>Wonder Womlet cant even pass 800mill

kek

>>85488027
Man, DC has fallen so far since the Nolan Batman trilogy, it's truly a sad thing to see.

>>85489450
It's almost like people didn't want to see it because the other 3 movies were dogshit.

>>85489449
>Luthor disguising his jealousy and greed in benevolence and good.

Why would he be jealous of? He clearly had the power and abilities to do the same. I think you should watch the movie again. He blame superman for his daddy molesting him.

>>85487286

this

the statement is made to sound coop but is really fucking dumb shallow and logically broken

>>85489199
When Superman and Batman both realize their mom's names are Martha. LOL

People who think that Lex was questioning the existence of God with that quote is really dumb and can only do superficial reading. Lex was using that quote to make the point that humanity is selfish in nature and that the concept of godhood is entirely tribal. It was created by us, humans, so that we can justify ourselves when favoring our tribes and fucking with rival tribes. Lex was pointing that out because he was calling Superman out for being a false idol, a false Samaritan. Superman, as a sorta of "human" was selfish, and even if he was a god, like people treat him, he would still be selfish in nature, because the very concept of godhood is meant to benefit a certain tribe against another.

That's all there is to it. Lex calling Superman out on being just as selfish and petty as him.

Reminder that the Blade trilogy are the best marvel films.

>yfw they make a new blade film after infinity wars
>its still snipes

>>85489450
>>85489491
Not in this timeline.

>>"There's only one God ma'am and he doesn't dress like that"
Whats wrong with this, pajeet? Upset that the western world wont bend over for your elephants and cows?

I went to most of both movies. And I enjoy Marvel movies more. I regret half of the DC movies.

I'm more hyped for Thor Ragnarok than for Justice League.

TR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue80QwXMRHg

JL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_6yBZKj-eo

>>85489481
>DC has fallen so far since the Nolan Batman trilogy
Things started deteriorating before he left the genre. TDKR wasn't the highest note to go out on. Though it did gross over $1 billion, so maybe that's all that matters here. DCEU can't even do that.

>>85487155
>DCEU brainlets are challenged by philosophy 101 concepts

sasuga DCucks

>>85489529

Youre' fucking stupid.

>>85489588
>Lex was pointing that out because he was calling Superman out for being a false idol,

Why blame Superman for something that he never claim to be.

>false Samaritan

That is completely false.

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>>85489529
>Why would he be jealous of?
Yes, why would a self-styled philantrophist billionaire be jealous of Superman? Who conquers the heart of man? Knowledge is power yet Superman is holding power over man, not Luthor.

You are seeing real people on screen here. In BvS, they are capable of lying. They are capable of lying to THEMSELVES. Batman lies to himself the entire film. Lex is most likely doing the same. At some point, even Superman is lying to himself about the world. At some point, both Superman and Batman land at a point where they are confronted with their lies, whereas Lex is just sunk further deep into the abyss.

I got kicked out of Batman V Superman for laughing.

And I of course bought the extended bluray which was even funnier.

>>85488642
That movie blowed. Made no fucking sense just retarded

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>>85489669
What Superman claims to be is irrelevant to what Superman IS becoming.

Power over the heart of man.

>>85487155
>Audience is challenged by this statement and ponder introspectively
how are you challanged by something you would have learned in school at age 15?

>>85489669

The world saw Superman as either as a guardian angel, a god or as the harbinger of doom.

Lex hated Superman because Superman had stolen his stardom and was doing out there doing things that Lex as a lowly human would never be able to. Lex hate for Superman in the movie stern from his inferiority complex.

Snyder is a fucking hack

>>85488027
I think we should note that Marvel is pretty crippled due to not being able to use their most famous franchises (Fantastic 4, X-Men, Spiderman until recently).

So they're going with heroes that the public have never been too familiar with. Spiderman came too late and people have too much fatigue after so many spiderman films (fucking six).

Marvel are pulling in very impressive numbers for what were lesser known characters.

Meanwhile, WB is dealing with major fucking pop culture icons (sans Aquaman and SS). Its a bit worrying they can't breach 1 billion, but they're still making good money.

ITT: the manchildren that ruined /tv/

>>85489733
>age 15
marvel babies are 12

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>>85487190

>>85489817
>have to separate spider man
lel

>>85489729
>>85489745

Yeah that is the point. Lex has a false view of superman. He also blames Superman for his fathers abuse. He says so in the movie.

>>85489745
>Lex hated Superman because Superman had stolen his stardom and was doing out there doing things that Lex as a lowly human would never be able to

>>85489788
So you're 15?

>>85489752
To be honest I'm surprised it took so long for anyone to have the idea of a connected universe for comic book films.

>>85489883

Spider man was never MCU like Nolan's Batman wasn't DCU you fucking sack of shit

>>85489883
So the Nolan trilogy should be considered part of the DCEU?

>>85489787
This

>>85489157
>doesnt hold up if you're actually familiar with scripture
wew lad

>>85489980
That's where the oscar comes from in DCEU "award" counts.

>>85490006
I don't believe in God but God is not portrayed as altruistic or all-loving at all in the Bible, in fact God is portrayed as being unbelievably petty and cruel at times, sometimes pointlessly so.

centuries of brainwashing by the churches in various countries of course have tried to get all the retarded sheeple to think he loves them unconditionally.

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>>85489199
Man of Steel
>"Can't I just keep pretending I'm your son?"
>"You are my son."

>"The world's too big, mom."
>"Then make it smaller."

>"They will race behind you. They will stumble. They will fall. But in time, they will join you in the sun."

>First flight.

>"A good death is its own reward."

>"Every action I take, no matter how violent or how cruel is for the greater good of my people. And now, I have no people."

BvS
>BvS intro: Bruce Wayne - First Responder.

>"This symbol. It means something."
>"It did on my world, but my world doesn't exist any more."

>"I miss you, dad."
>"I miss you too, son."

>"I found your picture, but it doesn't just belong to you. It IS you. Who are you? Where have you been?"

>"I love you. This is my world. You are my world."

>The lamentation.

>The funeral of Clark Kent.

>The reveal of Bruce standing alone at the edge of the cemetery.

>"They don't know how else to honor him except as a soldier."

>The empty streets and businesses when we get our final backwards reveal - all we were ever seeing over the course of the movie were just the polarized extremes that either hated and feared him or worshiped him as a god. We see that in the huge crowd gathered in memorial, people that regardless of whether or not they think him some sort of god, they admired, respected, and loved him.

Wonder Woman
>"If you leave. you may never return."
>"Who will I be if I stay?"

>No Man's Land.

>Diana returning to the gassed town.

>Steve's belief speech.

>The lead-up to Steve's death.

>>85489542
>the statement is made to sound coop but is really fucking dumb shallow and logically broken
prove it's logically broken?

>>85488843
The problem of evil is one of the weakest arguments for that position thought.

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>>85490043

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>>85487328
You can't really talk shit when you have pic related my dude.

>>85489283
Snyder. Without question.

>>85489529
Yes, Lex Luthor can fly, shoot lasers out of his eyes and is super strong, with all that becoming a god like figure.
It's okay if plebs dont get this movie but at least they should admit to such

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>>85490115
>doesn't know what the new testament is
>calls others sheeple

>>85490206
If these movies were actually even moderately well-written, the people wouldn't love Superman anyways because he killed thousands of people.

>>85490224
Jesus is not God.

>>85490286
So you're a Jew?

>>85490320
Maybe he's Orthodox

>>85490206
Batman made a suit that could fight superman on equal footing. The movie implied that Luthor had better resources. If Luthor wanted to fight crime and save people he could of. Instead he spent year manipulating Batman and Superman for no real reason.

>>85490224
>he thinks the new testament negates the old testament
>he thinks the new testament portrays God as unconditionally loving

>>85488733
>drops mic
Jesus christ Pajeet.

>>85490320
They're two different entities. Unless you think God didn't get Mary pregnant and actually just went inside her womb himself.

Or you think Jesus is the God from the Old Testament which goes completely against his character aside from some of the more insane non-canon Bible stories.

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>>85489680
Confrontation with truth is a bit of a recurring motif in BvS. Of the three principals, Lex is the only one who refuses his confrontation. Personally, I believe that in contrast to Clark and Bruce, the *only* person Lex never lies to is himself.

>>85490379
Isn't the idea of the holy trinity a pretty fundamental part of Christian beliefs?

>>85490379
>what is the Holy Trinity
Dude if you're gonna mock Christianity at least know what the hell you're talking about

>>85490224
God has just decided to save his wrath for the end of times. We're currently under grace. Jesus spent his ministry warning people to REPENT because "the kingdom of God is at hand." If you don't change your ways before grace runs out you'll be seeing the fire and brimstone. God does not love unconditionally and he is still the same God as described in the Old Testament.

>>85487155
>"If God is all good, then he cannot be all powerful. If God is all Powerful, then he cannot be all good"
>Audience is challenged by this statement and ponder introspectively

Is this a DCuck thing or an American thing? Because this the sort of thing that most people cover at school.

>>85490351
Why do you think chose Batman as his instrument?

Consider the earlier posts about power over the heart of man. Why do you think Lex is so obsessed with Bruce killing Superman? It goes back to his obsession over power over men. His poetic vengeance against Superman.

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>>85490351
There was a very real reason. He wanted Superman either on a leash with Task Force X or dead. He wanted Bruce outright dead because he was the only person who could conceivably challenge him for the role of benefactor for the emerging metahumans.

Pic related/

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>>85487155
>>Audience is challenged by this statement and ponder introspectively

The problem with Batman vs. Superman is that much of the plot doesn't pass the "so what" test. Like Lois's investigation of Lex's mercenaries and their special Lex-branded bullets. An absurd scheme to frame Superman for wrecking an African village which leads to Superman being summoned to court. But so what? The courtroom is blown up before Superman says a word and the entire subplot is never mentioned again. Lex tries to prejudice Batman and Superman against one another by stealing disability checks and sharing articles about Batman branding criminals. So what? The fight is eventually staged by simply kidnapping Superman's mom, rendering Lex's preceding machinations completely pointless. Abysmal storytelling and an unforgiveable waste of time in a movie that despite a bloated 3+ hours length, can't even spare a few minutes to give Superman more than 42 lines or squeeze in scenes for Wonder Woman to talk to anyone other than Bruce Wayne.

In contrast, Marvel's Civil War is a masterpiece of efficient storytelling. Batman vs Superman struggles to effectively tell a story about a couple of superheroes, one villain and a love interest. Civil War manages to credibly weave over a dozen heroes into a tightly-focused story, two of whom are main characters, half of which are properly developed and characterised and all of whom, even the "guest stars", get something cool to say or do. Even Falcon gets more dialogue in Civil War than Superman does in his own movie! "Quip"-filled though it may be, the conversations in Civil War flow like real banter between real people, and do a good job of conveying the personalities of the characters. Zack Snyder seems to believe a few pompous pronouncements and Biblical motifs are enough to secure the audiences empathy with his heroes. But they aren't. Hence Batman vs Superman's 27% RT score, Razzie award, and failure to reach $1bn despite starring the two biggest names in the comic book industry.

>>85490827
>In contrast, Marvel's Civil War is a masterpiece of efficient storytelling.
Oh God

>>85487190
>dire straits: successful band
>printing money: illegal

>>85490432
Oh yeah. That part where the senate think that Superman used a gun on a bunch of people. Transcendent!

>>85489542
Wow it's almost as if Lex is retarded and his entire philosophy is wrong. There's a reason why businessmen and scientists always sound stupid when talking about anything other than the field they're good at.

>>85487314
>Kierkegaard invented theodicy
Whoa is he a time traveler or witch?

>>85490193
You mean the film that made more (net) than Man of Steel? :^)

I'm part joking, part serious; Thor DW was awful, I'm genuinely shocked MoS made so little considering how fucking hyped up it was. I guess Superman Returns left too bad a taste in people's mouths

>>85490827
>Razzie award
Batman vs Superman was nominated for:
Worst Picture
Worst Prequel, Remake, Rip-Off or Sequel
Worst Actor (Affleck)
Worst Supporting Actor (Eisenberg)
Worst Director (Snyder)
Worst Screen Combo
Worst Screenplay.

It won four of these awards. I'm pretty sure that negates the Oscar for makeup.

>>85489046

He's only awful to "muh Luthor" whiners. I think he had a pretty interesting performance. Complicated and real.

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>>85487155
>There is a God ma'am, and he demands that you cover your body and face before his eyes and the eyes of men, or else face the consequences of what you sew.

That was a bit of a weird line from Cap since his religious position hadn't been established before that. Why did Whedon include this?

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>>85490661
Pic also related.

>"I've proven what you've done."
>"Oh, I'm afraid that's all going to just blow away like sand in the desert. Next category: CIRCLES! Round and round and round they go to find Superma-mmmmmm, no, no, no. Wrong category, boy. Next category: TRIANGLES! Yes, Euclids triangle inequality - the shortest distance between two points is a straight path, and I believe the straightest path to Superman is a pretty little road called Lois Lane."

Lex not only told her any accusations were going to blow away. He told her why. She just didn't(and couldn't) know it. That's why people confuse this incarnation of Lex with the Riddler, but the fact is, the Riddler plays fair. His riddles can be solved. Lex's can't be, because you don't have all the information. Only he does.

Argus: from Greek mythology; a giant with a hundred eyes

>>85490827
Well stated. Won't penetrate "Fan-shields"

>>85488170
Count the memes, Alfred.

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Name our squad.

>>85491099
That's not what they thought, dummitz. They saw pictures of some burnt bodies in a war zone and an "eye witness" willing to implicate Superman.

>>85489199

Too bad Starlord's reaction was to turn into fucking Pac Man.

>>85491165
How many times did you vote?

>>85491168
No. Observably terrible. Meh actor + bad script.

>>85491179
>the riddler plays fair

Sorry m8 I have to be a sperg here; thats a poor comparison. The Riddler's "riddles" are completely fucking illogical. That's some of the point of his character; Batman always bests him because he knows how psychopaths, how the riddler, thinks. The riddles require incredibly abstract reasoning and intimate knowledge of the Riddler's state of mind.

>>85491242
>They saw pictures of some burnt bodies
Nice fan-fic edit

>>85490827
Best post.

>>85491269
Indeed. Those movies would have been sooo much better if they toned the funny down 20%

>>85491099

Watch the ultimate cut or don't come to these threads

>>85488454
SHWARMARTHA

>>85491428
nah

>>85487155
Anyone who is "challenged" by that statement is fucking 10 years old.

>>85491463
>>85488454
>hey guys wanna get paid thousands and thousands of dollars to sit around eating kebab?

Best pay check ever

>>85491234
Why does that Negro's face always look like it's made out of plastic? Is he wearing a shit load of foundation or something?

>>85491284
That's still playing fair, though, isn't it? It is from the Riddler's perspective, at least, because he legitimately believes that the answers to his riddles should be self-evident.

Lex's riddles are always of the "What have I got in my pocket?" variety. Lex's riddles are incidental to lording over you with knowledge you simply do not have.

>"You're going to be on the hot seat in there, Junebug."

What a shitty way to check out, knowing precisely how you'd been fucked over, and by whom.

>>85491411

I was actually into it. Ego killing his mom, being evil. Yondu dying. It was pretty good, if a little derivative. But then they felt the need to lay on the stupidity. Too much Baby Groot. Fucking Pac Man.

MCU movies are always frustrating because of this

>>85491371
That "fan-fic" edit was the original cut. Didn't tell me anything I hadn't already figured out. Terribly sorry that it blows sand so far up your ass having to have things explained to you.

>>85490125
you have to define what is good and powerful. And you can't because those are subjective things.

>>85487155
Both statements are retarded

>>85491653
>the original cut
nerp

>>85491634
That "Mr. Blue Sky" dance at the beginning pretty much told me exactly what I was in for.

>>85491234
Do you think they all gangrape the twink?

>>85491179
>He told her why
remind me.

>>85491706
Stellar rebuttal, friendo.

>>85490827

Part 1

The theatrical cut was 2 1/2 hours long. The ultimate cut was 3 hours. Not 3+ hours. At least get the little things right.

Wonder Woman was a side character. Why does she need to talk to anyone else? She's meant to be low key, sneaking around because she doesn't want to out herself. It makes sense that the person who would notice her is fucking Batman.

>but Lex knew who she was!

That doesn't mean Lex knew she was poking around. His focus was on Batman and Superman.

As for Superman's dialogue. One of the strengths of Zack Snyder is putting you in the shoes of the people in the movies he makes. BvS is a movie about the public's reaction to Superman. We get glimpses into Superman's inner world, but a lot of what we see is the same thing the public around him would. So that our reaction to Superman is the public's reaction. The reaction to Superman by the audience was very meta because it came off a lot like the dialogue from the movie where people are debating Superman's place in the world.

Superman seems lofty, quiet, and mysterious, except for these glimpses we do get of Superman's humanity which reveals a guy struggling with his place in the world.

>Civil War is a masterpiece of efficient storytelling.

Civil War is good, but not a masterpiece. There's a whole point where everyone is supposed to be on a time limit. What was it, 30 hours? 24? Ross wanted Tony to get it done, catch Cap and the dangerous fugitive, fast fast fast!

But there was enough time for Tony to fly from Europe to New York. For the plot to grind to a halt while Marvel advertises for Spider-Man: Homecoming. Spider-Man had practically no influence on the plot at all, no relevance. He was certainly not as important as in the actual comic. He was included just because. How long does it take time to introduce Spider-Man? 15 minutes?

As shoehorned in as Ant-Man was, at least he just showed up in a van with Hawkeye. Not another 15 minutes of wasted time.
.

>>85491746
He basically told her he's ARGUS, at least the means they're using to find metas. He just did it in exactly the same way he fucks with everyone over the course of the film, up to and including Superman.

>>85491788

Part 2

Both these "guest stars" are especially egregious given how well handled Black Panther was in the movie.

"Real banter between real people." Yeah because nothing is more "real" than joking about not wanting to hurt each other while you're fighting.

RT scores are not reliable measures of quality. Razzies are a joke. And box office/popularity is not the ultimate decider of quality. There are a number of movies that weren't appreciated by the critics or the general audience that are regarded as classics today

The whole movie you've people questioning if Superman should involve himself in situations, because he's pure definition of power and every action he takes have unintended consequences. If he's in a part of the world saving some people, he's not everywhere else where people are also dying. If he helps one side in a conflict, he harms the other side. It's the whole Platos shenanigans.

Basically, the whole movie is showing to you that it is impossible for Superman to not play favorites. It's impossible for Superman to not choose sides. His biggest favorite being Lois. That's how Lex find who Superman really is. That's how Lex is able to bait him. She's both Superman's weakness and strength. And the question is, is that fair? Can Superman be with her and still Superman? Is that a moot point, since Superman no matter what will always play favorites when way or a not?

Superman, like the concept of godhood, is as tribal as anything else. He'll always choose one side over the other. And since Superman has become so big, so important, his choices, are also a sort public and political endorsement. A excuse for one side to hate the other that much harder, since they've Superman on their side.

That's what Lex point out. That Superman is as bad as him. That Superman like everyone else is selfish and that he's constantly playing favorites. He isn't a god and he isn't really helping, and Lex will prove it. Lex will prove just how selfish Superman is, just how hard Superman play favorites. How? He'll force Superman to kill Batman to save his own mother. He wants the world to see Superman killing someone for his own personal gain. And if he fails to kill Batman? Well, he was never worthy of adoration after all, was he?

>>85487155
Pee in a jar

>>85491830

Part 3

Luthor's plot was to change public perception about Superman. To paint him as a dangerous, loose cannon. He's not summoned to a courtroom. He goes before a Senate committee dedicated to dealing with him, one that Lex has contacts with.

The threat of Superman leads one of the senators (the sketchy Jolly Rancher guy) to work with Lex, granting him access to the Kryptonian ship and Zod's body, which leads to the creation of Doomsday. As well as giving Lex a glimpse into the universe and the potential invasion by Apokolips.

The bullet subplot also ties in with the explosion at the courthouse because the same metal was used in the chair and the bullets. Its evidence that Lois can use and that helps lead to Luthor's arrest.

The "stealing checks" thing isn't just there to turn Bruce against Superman. It also helps make Wally into a potential terrorist. Think he'd be alone in his apartment with a wall of Superman images and bomb making gear if he was getting his money?

Lex didn't just want Superman to fight Batman. He wanted him to kill him. Or vice versa. And so he had to give them both reasons. Now Batman has enough reasons (he's crazy), and everything Lex did was just feeding a fire that was already there. Superman is essentially a good dude who doesn't just go around killing human beings when he can help it. So Lex wanted to plant the idea in his mind that Batman potentially deserved it. To push Superman to do it so everybody can see.

You can tell a pleb wrote this copypasta because you look at a scene and try to fit it into some notion of how movies should work, rather than pay attention to what's going on in front of you. Not every scene in a movie exists to push the plot forward. Some things exist to provide characterization. Also, expecting every plan of a character to work out perfectly is stupid. People are fallible. People in movies should be fallible.

>>85491805
I don't recall him ever doing that.

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>>85491845
That's what made this moment particularly powerful for me.

>"How does he decide whose lives matter and whose do not?"

>>85491845
Ladies and gentlemen, a DC fan in its natural habitat.

>>85491918
Read >>85491179 again. Read the greentext. Pay attention to the caps I added for emphasis, then look at the picture.

Then read the definition at the post's bottom and reacquaint yourself with metaphor.

>>85491788
So this is clearly biased, while the post you are replying to genuinely seems like an unbiased review, because its what the majority of cinema goers think; you already seem to be praising BvS too much.

I would also like to point out you purposefully misinterpreted the "masterpiece of EFFICIENT STORYTELLING" line, by seemingly ignoring the EFFICIENT STORYTELLING part. I understand this is a "Part 1", but this is pretty egregious. The plot was on the whole concise, tightly knit, included many, many characters, while also appealing to fans (you know, the people actually watching the film) with Spiderman - something marvel fans would have considered remotely possible even a year before.

The post you're responding to criticises emotional investment and the reduction of plot threads to irrelevancy, while you're picking out parts of a film you feel "drag" and picking on logical inconsistencies in time scale.

>>85491974
so he never did that in BvS and his retard ranting didn't make sense until some random screenshot in a shitty side movie...got it.

>>85491974
Oh wow! He has somehow proven that BvS did not deserve the Razzies it got AND was an actual "good" movie! Surely his posts will live forever as BvS salvation meme!

>>85492003
Not him, but I watched Civil War. I laughed a couple of times, enjoyed myself, but I have never been less emotionally invested in my life.

>>85487747
Blade 1 and 2? Come on, guys. Blade, Xmen, Spiderman, Tdk. Marvel Studios is clouding people's judgment.

>>85492045

Lex even in the theatrical cut gives Lois the gist that he had government backing in fucking with Superman.

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>DCEU
For faggot man children

>MCU
For faggot man children

>>85492045
Did he tell the Senator he smuggled a bomb into the hearing? According to you, the answer is no, and all his ramblings before the hearing just happened to make a point of mentioning chairs, seats, security, and hot seats multiple times in a 30-second period.

You butthurt couldn't be any more obvious.

>>85491904
Surely the fact that you have to make this 3 part post purely to try to defend the film should prove to yourself that that's why it failed? You're not really criticizing Civil War, you're not addressing the main point of not being able to convincingly tie a plot together involving so little to a wider audience, and you're not addressing its (relatively) lacklustre box office returns for what it was supposed to be.

You're not even really convincing anyone of anything you're saying. You're just restating what happened in a scene. How does that counter his "so what" test?

I enjoyed MoS and truly wanted to like BvS, but I cannot seriously believe you're trying to defend such an awful film like this, as if you can't understand the differences. He's not even saying its better on a deeper level, because the film itself is shallow as fuck. He's saying its infinitely more competent in tying threads together and appealing to a wider audience, which is shown in its earnings and ratings.

>You can tell a pleb wrote this copy pasta

Entirely encapsulates what I think of your 3 post rambling.

>>85492128
when?

>>85492142
it's cute you're calling me butthurt. I haven't said anything bad about the movie, just asking you to clarify your statement. If I never watch suicide squad or know what argus is, how am I supposed to know what lex is talking about? This is why people don't like the movie.

>>85487155
Marvel's world building is better than literal god people in spandex gathering the power fo the sun.

Superman and DC is for manchildren, to be quite honest. If you like DC, you like Naruto, and therefore, you are an enemy of the state and should be execute

peace out niggaz

>>85492211

When he confronts Lois.

>>85492253
what does he say exactly that gives that expresses that?

>>85487677
Lmao at wasting money on a bunch of movies nobody gives a fuck about or will remember just to get to the point where twink spider man and iron manlet can face off against grimace

That people defend and even L I K E BvS and TDKR is one of the biggest mind blowers of the century to me.

I don't give a fuck about the DCvMarvel war but have to confess that the DC side of that crowd are 40% more annoying.

>>85492309
just 40%?

>>85492230
Gathering power from the sun is A LOT more mature than "dude, it's science, ain't exaplin shit LMAO". Any day of the week.

>>85492309
That's because you spend hours of your life every day making these posts.

>>85492135
>he says this
>while posting simpsons

>>85492279

Just re-watch the scene. He says that someone wanted to get at Superman, but he had figured an easier way and that whatever proof she had on him would disappear. Then there's the fact that his mercenaries where easily aware that Lois' photographer was a CIA agent in disguise, that the situation was perfect bait, and that Superman was near.

>>85492071
Well I certainly felt more invested in characters in Civil War than BvS; emotional or not.

>>85491921
Obviously he saves people based on how well they can draw his symbol. Why else would he be hovering in the air doing absolutely fucking nothing while people need help?

>>85492344
You wound me, sire.

>>85488454
>breath it in, thats fear you aren't brave men are brave

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>>85488090
They loved only because plebs think Nolan is making intellectual movie.
Dark Knight Rises wasn't bashed because audience was too much bluepilled at this point.

>>85488123

>>85492375
I can't at the moment, but none of that implies he has government backing. From the greentext above where she tells him she has proof and he brushes it off, it sounds like it's just that, him brushing her threat off because he's not worried about it in the sense that he has power to not worry about it. He has the influence to make it go away, not that he's got the authority to do it.

>>85492211
And this is why we keep saying that it's a part of a larger story in ways that the MCU never has been. They do fanservice and lighthearted entertainment. DC does lore, world-building, and an interwoven narrative.

Also:
>>85492045
>so he never did that in BvS and his retard ranting didn't make sense until some random screenshot in a shitty side movie...got it.

Sounds pretty butthurt to me. I agree that Suicide Squad wasn't exactly a masterpiece, but what it did well, it did *extremely* well, and what it did well was build upon the pre-established threads supplied in the previous movies, and that includes making allusions to how Superman(or more generally Kryptonians) may have something to do with magical activity ramping up, how worship plays a factor in it, and establishing that ARGUS is definitely a thing, something that me and a few of my friends suspected from knowing comic books, following the TV shows, and had already suspected Lex was hinting at before the Squad was even released.

http://www.argus-gov.com/

>>85488584
Its alot more visually compelling than that soap opera civil war

>>85492534

Well, in the Ultimate Edition the secretary of Defense or whatever pretty much tells her he can't help her in incriminating Lex Luthor and that she was in danger.

>>85488539
>>85488539
>Wonder Woman is entirely similar to the MCU movies
In what way?

>>85492569
>They do fanservice and lighthearted entertainment. DC does lore, world-building, and an interwoven narrative.
wew lad, DC hasn't done shit but try to ape marvel only they're playing catch up and over reaching and failing.

>"If God is all good, then he cannot be all powerful. If God is all Powerful, then he cannot be all good"
how is this quote challenging anyone? It is fundamentally flawed in that it doesn't account for free will.

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I preferred the darker tone the DCEU had. Now with Suicide Squad and Justice League, it seems like they're trying to be nu-marvel and I don't like it.

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>>85492598
How do DC fans work? How do they eat and breath?

>>85492375
Not only that. Lex's guys were a step ahead of the CIA operation in every conceivable way, and apparently using some sort of spotter to even know when Superman was in-bound.

The CIA didn't even know what took out their drone.

>>85492569
>something that me and a few of my friends suspected from knowing comic books, following the TV shows,
this is the problem with retards in the DCEU vs MCU thread. They live in their bubble and think the movie is good because they have prior knowledge of """""""COMICS"""""""" that are so far removed from this shit movies.

>>85492612
again, that's more of a "he's powerful" vs "he works for us"

>>85492655
First of all, there's no such thing as free will. Second of all, it just means that God regularly allows horrible things to happen to people who don't deserve it, so either he's incapable of stopping those horrible things and he's not all-powerful, or he doesn't care and he's evil.

>>85492438
Who should he save first? What sort of message does he send to everyone else if he rescues the family doing a Superman version of the Passover first? That's where the hesitation comes from.

>>85492740
I'm actually impressed that you managed to make the entirety of your post incorrect.

>>85489145
Spacey? Mr.i want to build me an island paradise i dont think ao

>>85489481
Rises is a bad movie though.

>>85490122
Man of Steel really had the best emotional scenes. BVS had better overall character dialogue though

>>85492786
As shit as Spacey was as Lex, he was better than Jesse.

>>85488090
The Dark Knight came out before the MCU took off and had family friendly grimdark edginess which made kids feel "mature" without spooking parents off too much.

>>85492784
>I have a two digit IQ so I'm religious and believe in free will

>>85492612
The entirety of both those scenes appear in both editions, I'm pretty sure. Most of the additional footage centered around Clark Kent, the Nairomi scene, the "witness," and the S.T.A.R. labs scene following up on the bullet analysis.

>>85492699

Dude, ARGUS is mentioned all the time in THE CW shows like The Flash and Arrow. Ever since the shitty 2011 comics reboot ARGUS has become the new CADMUS lore-wise. Not to mention that even if you don't know what ARGUS is, comic and tv-wise, the movie still makes it pretty clear that Lex is being backed by someone in the military.

The movie is pretty topical. That whole Nairomi shit at the start to of the movie is pretty reminiscent of the rumors of the US funding the Syrian rebels forces against President Bashar al-Assad, something the US publicly has and never will admit. As well with Lexcorp playing the role of Blackwater, by being a private company working alongside the US in regional conflicts.

>>85491546
Black Widow didn't even eat any.

>>85487190
>DCEU
Oscars: 1

>MCU
>Oscars: 0

>>85492860
Weird, considering the only people that don't really believe in free will, in my experience, are Calvinists.

Why do you act like a Protestant if you're an atheist?

>>85488539
It was basically MoS but with a female protagonist, with happier music, and a better love interest. The fight scenes weren't as good and it didn't have as many top quality scenes though.

DCEU
>You will give the people of Earth an ideal to strive towards. They will race behind you, they will stumble, they will fall. But in time, they will join you in the sun, Kal. In time, you will help them accomplish wonders.

MCU
>DANCE OFF BRO XD

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Are you a fan of Cloud Atlas as well you videogame governed child?

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>>85492699
Yeah, God forbid that actual fans of the source material get movies aimed at them for a change. What we're saying is you assholes are criticizing shit you're ill-equipped to even understand.

You fuckers get hung up on Lex's smokescreens, for Christ's sake, and most of those had jack-shit to do with anything in the comics. Then when we explain why we like it, you all act like you're offended that you've been outed as the fucking casuals you so clearly are.

Stick with your bandwagon, fucboi. It's way more your speed. Keep being proud of yourself for recognizing Stephen Strange's name in The Winter Soldier. lol.

>>85487155
who's to say God has to ascribe to any definition we can possibly even think of? Fucking philosophers with their pseudo-intellectual masterbation

>>85492976
Free will is impossible voodoo nonsense. No one who understands that the mind is the brain takes the idea of free will seriously; it's mystical nonsense.

>>85493132
Why are you lot so insufferable? Is it because you're always wrong but think you're always right? I think it might be.

>>85493132
I chose to post this.

>>85489157
>2017
>believing in god

I have 3 possible comments, choose the one triggers you the most:

-What are you a sandnigger?
-laughinggirls.jpeg
-Start thinking for yourself instead of drinking your parents beliefs without question, you'll be spared of some crappy reality checks while growing (obviously you are a "child")

>>85492196

I don't really have beef with Civil War. The criticism of Spider-Man and Ant Man is as far as it goes. And a lack of emotional stakes at the airport

But the copypasta I replied to was talking about how individual events were relevant to the plot. For instance why Lois Lane tracking the bullets matters. It matters because she builds the case against Lex. And exonerates Superman.

He picked a lot of such things so my post becomes long to address them. I don't really see why that's a negative. I understand that audiences prefer simpler narratives. I like complex ones. I don't see why they're bad just because the public doesnt always like them

>>85491164
>I guess Superman Returns left too bad a taste in people's mouths
Ironically the main complain people had with Superman Returns was that it didn't have any fighting and was too close to Christopher Reeves style of Superman which was seen as "boring" by then.

Yet MoS had an abundance of DBZ tier Superman punching the fuck out of people yet everyone then complained that it WASN'T like Reeve's Superman.

You just literally can't please anyone it seems. Not that MoS was an amazing films, but it's easily the best of the DCEU IMO, and I thought it was a pretty good film in general despite some stupid shit like Pa Kent.

>>85493117
Obviously you can get out of any argument by saying "God works in mysterious ways," as all dishonest religious people do whenever they """defend""" their beliefs. However, as you religious loons love giving God characteristics and claiming that he loves you, it's funny to point out that these characteristics contradict each other. If your all-powerful God has actually been allowing people and animals to die horribly for no reason at all, then he's evil. There's really no way around that. He could have designed the world so that it was less hellish for living beings, but he didn't because he's evil. I'm aware you can mentally backflip out of this by saying he must "work in mysterious ways", but you're still stupid.

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>>85492745
>Who should he save first? What sort of message does he send to everyone else if he rescues the family doing a Superman version of the Passover first? That's where the hesitation comes from.

>>85491067
Underrated comment.

>>85493166
You're very uneducated and stupid if you believe free will is possible. Think of it in terms of evolution. If you trace the evolutionary history of humanity backwards, at which point did magical free will pop into existence? The answer is it never did. Whether single-celled organism or human, a machine is a machine. The difference is that the human machine is so complex that idiots get fooled into thinking it's "free," but the notion is complete, absolute nonsense.

>>85493233
To be fair, Reeve's Superman was near perfect.

Seriously, it's really mindbogglingly how some of you have trouble understanding Lex's motivation for hating Superman when the movie do its hardest to portray him as a beta cuck with social power and social adulation that feel punk'd now that a chad with true (physical) power is turning heads and drawing all the attention. That's one of the biggest reason why Lex in the movie is a awkward skinny faggot instead of the calm ubbermarch like in the DCAU.

Or then how you guys get confused by Lex wanting to destroy the infantile image of Superman as an all-perfect savior that will always be there to save everyone ever by pointing out how Superman constantly play favorites with every action he takes and is pretty self-absorbed on top of it.

Or even what Lex goals where when he's constantly trying to find ways to get his hands on things that will give him power over Superman, be it trying to ruin Superman image while increasing his own, trying to find a weapon that can hurt Superman by his hands, trying to create his own kryptonian that is even powerful and have bits of his own DNA, or making a faustian deal with a demonic alien from another dimension in a bid for more power in exchanging for the fucking Earth.

>>85493379
>you're very uneducated and stupid
lmao

>at what point did humans get free will?
I've never actually met someone who didn't understand the very concept of free will. This is fascinating.

>>85488315
only person on this tread making sense

>>85493427
Extremely stupid, which is why all your posts have been single sentence deflections instead of arguments. You're desperately hoping that I'll assume you're smarter than you are if you say little or nothing.

>>85493478
You do a lot of projecting too. Very interesting stuff.

>>85493264
nope, no mental gymnastics required. God is all powerful because he is God. That is the definition of God.

That there is evil in the world has nothing at all to with the state of God, but the state of men. We are imperfect beings and we do horrible shit sometimes.

Just because God is capable of preventing anything from happening, doesn't obligate him to.

From the context of God, who is eternal, what is evil anyway? Does it ultimately matter if people die horrifically? Should it? Or did God just create the world then loosen the reigns as a sort of grand experiment?

>>85493399
You didn't explain Lex's motivations at all.
You're just inserting some shitty headcanon that was never in the movie.

>>85493318
>"lol laugh.gif"

This gif courtesy of the Department of Redundancy Department.

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>>85488013
>>85488435
This anon fucking gets it
I love MoS and BvS. The rest are shit. But on the other hand, Marvel only has a couple films out of 20 that I actually enjoy. Fuck company wars.

>>85493539

You're a hopeless case.

Lex felt small with Superman in the world, and tried to find ways to feel superior again by tearing Superman down along the way. That's the extent of it.

>>85490286
>>85490379
holy trinity you /tv/tards

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>>85492679

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>>85490122
FUCK

>>85492740
Like rorschach said in watchmen god doesn't make the world like this we do

>>85493539

Go look at Lex's dialogue. There's parts that are explicit and parts that are subtext. It's there

>>85492843
Nah son

>>85492926
She has to watch her weight

>>85493478
So by your logic, there are no random occurrences. Everything is predetermined.

Sorry to see you get so eternally BTFO by actual science, but the entirety of Quantum physics would like to have a word with you. Random events do occur, and they do manifest on the macro scale. Consciousness predicates the concept of free will, even if it's just the illusion of choice.

By way of example, I didn't have to choose to tell you not to think of polar bears, but I did, and now you are.

>>85493218
Wait ive never seen the ultimate edition are you saying lex goes to jail because of Lois lane?

>>85487389
Its funny because in universe superman is hated and feared becuase he destroyed a city and refuses to work with the government, but Lex is his biggest believer thats hes the greatest jesus figure people jerk him off for being in the comics. Hew just not happy about it for some reason

>>85493701
Yes indeed.

>>85493834

There were plenty of peoples on Superman's side. Metropolis fucking built a monument for him.

>>85493832
No, he went to jail because his plan fell completely apart. If things had proceeded as he'd planned, all Lois would have been left with was things that *suggested* Lex was complicit in some shady shit, but nothing that would hold up.

That's assuming, of course, that she wasn't going to get offed in the ensuing carnage of the Doomsday fight in the first place.

>>85487155
>Audience is challenged by this statement and ponder introspectively

Translation: Retards think pompous dialogue musing on simple religion concepts is deep and meaningful, thus better and more important than fluffy comic book schlock (which the film eventually becomes anyway).

>>85493832

Lois published a story about it in the paper that had Superman's death in it if memory serves. She also links the bomb plot with the desert due to the metal used. She also tries to get the story into the paper earlier on.

The UC is worth a watch. I mean if you don't like this version of Lex and shit like that, then it won't change anything for you. But if you think things didn't make sense or that editing was weird, then it's a marked improvement. It's criminal that it wasn't the release we got in theaters

why do marlets produce such shitty memes? all they got is that one pic of cucktain america laughing

>>85493940
Yeah, people don't seem to get that the movie's built around a succession of backwards reveals, sort of like the Pa Kent scenes were in Man of Steel.

Lex goes from glib, if quirky, billionaire to stuttering, halting, bundle of nerves. It's later revealed that he's been sitting on the biggest knowledge dump in human history.

Bruce is acting way out of bounds, branding people and being extremely cavalier about loss of life. We see that he's lost a partner. It's hinted that he's lost allies. And then we see that he's scarred in precisely the same area where he's marking criminals. Bruce isn't just traumatized by the Battle of Metropolis, he's traumatized by something he associates with that scar that he bears.

We see Superman surrounded by worshipers, we see him surrounded by haters. We get hints that there are people out there who don't understand why everyone's so polarized about a good guy, then at the end, we see that just like real life, the polarized extremes were the fringe. The majority of people love him and honor him as a hero. That wasn't just a collective change of heart on the part of mankind, it's the way it always had been.

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>>85494333
Every last thing I've ever talked about keeps on turning out to be right. Here's one for free:

When Superman comes back, he'll either have a struggle to regain control of his mind and body or he'll have to defeat an imposter. There's a good chance we'll see some of it depicted as some sort of mindscape/astral battle.

I can say this with confidence because I don't just understand the source material, I understand the allegory that the creative team has worked into the narrative.

>>85494529

Grabbing this for posterity

>>85494866
When it turns out I'm right, will you have the sack to admit or, or would you like to hear my prediction on that front as well?

>>85489036
>Try checking out /lit/ for some recommendations

You do understand that literature snobs and ESPECIALLY teachers will be first to get a rope?

>>85495408
Of course a capeshitter takes pride in his retardation