Is Intolerance the greatest film ever made? If not, why? inb4

give me a rundown

this was after the controversy of Birth of a Nation right?

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>>85469386
The controversy of Birth of a Nation was a myth. Yes it reinstated the Klan, but the nignog "riots" are completely hyperbolic. The film was universally loved and if you thought it was bad, you were considered a lunatic fringe. And NO, Intolerance was not made as an apology for Birth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZEEtmNl6Ao

>>85469341
griffith was a master filmaker

>>85469587
ok well why is it so acclaimed/ iconic is what im asking, explain it to me

>>85469937
It cuts back and forth between stories, the editing is unparalleled even for today's standards, each story is poetic and captivating, showing the true colors of humanity and unites them all through the eternal motherhood, it also has a very good ASL for its time, and uses double exposure, minimal intertitles and color tinting.
One of the great films of all time and the one that gave birth to cinema, it should be viewed by everyone.

>>85470094
>it also has a very good ASL for its time, and uses double exposure, minimal intertitles and color tinting.
You're missing unparalleled crane shots

But really if you wanted to know why, just watch this trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd6NPuhXUAo

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>>85469587
That set was beautiful

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>>85469341
>Is Intolerance the greatest film ever made?
no
>If not, why?
because pic related exists

Also forgot never wrote scripts

>>85470937
Michael Mann has one good film and that's Manhunter, and even that doesn't come close to an actual great film like Intolerance.

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>>85470937
Giving out 5's like candy. Change that score to a two, you know it to be true.

>>85469937
>why is Birth of a Nation acclaimed
Name a better film that came out in 1915 or before

>>85469341
No. It's very static, didactic and heavy-handed. I liked the Babyloniam flame-throwing tank, though.

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>>85471107
>Static
Reminder that what people mean when they say David Wark Griffeth was outdated or "shit" is that they're not accustomed to good cinematography or having taste. He was a pioneer and master of the tableau style of cinematography He advocated depth, density, location, acute spatial alignment in the frame with subtle accentuating details and thereby constructed images worthy of being hung on a wall. Hardly something that can be claimed for much anybody else.

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>>85471107
Now the accompanying comparison.

>>85471107
I never felt it was preachy, just human and poetic in nature, like the rest of his films.
https://youtu.be/KZ-gmL_wflc

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>>85471107
>didactic and heavy-handed
Just because it has intolerance in the title doesn't mean it's either of those 2 things. Griffith's intertitles only serve to make you think

>>85469341
We watched this in film class once. I thought it would be boring shit based on age and that runtime, but I was actually really amazed when I saw it. Couldn't believe it was 1916.

>>85471478
>thought it would be boring shit
Too bad most of the guy's films are

>>85471509
>>85471478
>IP count didn't go up
So who's the samefag?

>>85471311
Except there is more to it.

>women who want to "uplift" society and ban alcohol consumption are obviously ugly and jealous of younger people
How is this not heavy-handed and silly?

>>85471195
Nothing I haven't seen in other films from 1910s.

Is it bad I've never watched a Griffith film past Way Down East?

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>>85471556
Yes

>>85469341
Adam the woo did a vlog about it today. https://youtu.be/mtc9_pWu7yU

>>85471541
>women who want to "uplift" society and ban alcohol consumption are obviously ugly and jealous of younger people
It's sad you can't help but project onto images

>>85471541
Is that really all you found within the film?
Also, exactly what films are you talking about?

>>85469341
Griffithfag is that you?

>>85471660
Intolerance.

I liked the film, I just don't think it's the greatest cinematic work of art of all time.

>>85471758
I meant what do you mean when you say
>Nothing I haven't seen in other films from 1910s.
What films have you seen that did Griffith before him?

One of the essential parts of being a director are memorable images and i can't remember one from Girrifth's turds.

>>85471923
Not before him, but I think I was more moved by Terje Vigen from 1917 than from any Griffith's film.

>>85471952
You must have a very bad memory, cause the imagery in his films is quite striking!

>>85471556
only if you are truly passionate about film as an art form

>>85471988
>Not before him
All I needed to hear desu.
Griffith is the undisputed silent master, Sjorstrom doesn't come close.

>>85471991
I don't find his images powerful nor do I care about this sort of filmed theater.

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>>85471988
>but I think I was more moved
That's the problem here. You're looking for something to impress an emotion onto you. Griffith was the first to blend documentary with feature narrative. He has an observational poetic realist style that does not serve to tell you what to think. Some would say it's the more intelligent.

>>85472120
What a stupid image. Two completely different scenes. One, I think, showing a woman in love and the other showing man's hatred.
There is nothing "corny" about either of them.

>that does not serve to tell you what to think
Except intertitles in his films do this.

>>85472056
>Griffith
>filmed theater
Can you not read a thread properly? Double exposure, crane shots, tinting, poetic composition, tableau style, the list goes on!

>>85472253
Your words have no power over me, what matters is what we see. And it looks boring.

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>>85472056
>filmed theater
Griffith was the first to separate film acting from the stage, opting for spontaneous realism. I don't have a clue why any of his shots would come across as filmed theater

>>85472279
Nothing feels spontaneous in his films. Naive and corny on the other hand describe the end product perfectly.

>>85472276
You're just switching positions now, because you know you're wrong.
>it looks boring
Except it's cinematography at its greatest, or are you just too dumb to appreciate it?
>>85472327
I'm beginning to think you're just a sad troll, and you haven't seen any of his films.

>>85472276
>And it looks boring
Some would say his style is the more intelligent.

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>>85472370
yeah how long can you watch a shit film is definitely an iq test lel

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>>85472327
>nothing feels spontaneous in his films
I'll let his direction speak for himself. Distilled in one gif, here's transformation, vitality, and spontaneity all in one take.

>>85472430
>lel
underageb& pls go

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>>85472226
>hasn't seen Birth of a Nation

>>85472430
Objectively speaking, Intolerance is an 11/10.

>>85472546
Objectively speaking, Griffith is the greatest director

>no replies
whoops :3

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>>85472436
What is spontaneous here? It looks scripted. The actor is terrible.

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>>85473528
Genetic cleansing is not a viable purification model

No, Murnau's Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans is.

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>>85473847
Oops :3

>>85474001
not as good as Murnau's.

>this Griffith autist

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>>85474260
That's not even the best Charles Farrel and Janet Gaynor melodrama let alone best film of all time