>all of these worthless """""critics"""""

>>85421660
Better question:
>Why is Nolan so overrated?
Even his Dark Knight trilogy was shit (with The Dark Knight being a notable exception). Why do normies like this man so much? You don't see the normies praising Kubrick do you, it's fucking pathetic that these pseudointellectuals think they can critique film.

>>85421660
The movie was boring as fuck though. It didn't have the emotional, empathetic hook of good characters, or a plot that wasn't a confused garble of multiple interweaving timelines where you're never exactly sure what's happening.

this movie is not smart
this movie is not deep
this movie is not artistic
its just a boring war movie
with non stop action
with good atmosphere at times
that repeats itself for the entire movie
if you are impressed by nolan and dunkirk
you should watch more movies

>>85421915
>do I fit in yet guys

>>85421826
Normies like Batman, and Batfags have shit taste.

>>85421939
>pretending the majority of this board doesnt like this movie

>>85421913
>It didn't have the emotional, empathetic hook of good characters, or a plot that wasn't a confused garble

>this will be endlessly posted as bait

>>85421660
all professional critics have seen more movies than you and are much more knowledgeable about the history of film. That's why they're paid for their opinions and you are not. There are plenty of perfectly valid reasons to criticize this movie. Besides, most critics liked it.

nolan wants to be kubrick but he's just not as talented. however he is still better than the capeshit we live in

>>85422002
it didnt though, and without that its just explosions on a beach. and we've seen that a million times. the only thing that makes war movies interesting is having a connection with the individual troops on the ground, the action is just action and personally i find action so fucking boring.

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>>85421915
>you should watch more movies
Well?

>>85421915
You sound like a faggot

Speaking of, how much of a role does James D'arcys character have in it? I've been wanting to see more of him ever since finishing Agent Carter

>>85422002
It's a very well-made film that says absolutely nothing.

>>85422072
>individual troops on the ground
The way you typed the whole sentence makes it sound like you didn't watch most of the movie, and tuned out of most of it.

Im sure most anons are waiting for the official RLMHITB review before they decide they did or did not like this movie

dropped Nolan after interstellar btw

Loved Dunkirk

>>85422019
>professional critics
>knowledgeable
lol

>>85422136
not much, he has maybe 5 minutes of screentime. he doesn't do anything, he just stands at a pier and acts distressed how they have no help

>>85422167
watched it in 70mm imax yesterday, was wide awake the whole time. the people next to me had the same complaints

>>85421915
t. didnt see it in 70mm

>>85422287
So watching what the soldiers in the movie go through did nothing for you?

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>>85421660
>it's another "i enjoy objectively bad film making" for the sake of appearing smart virgin

I bet you enjoy drinking IPA's too.

Is there a more middlebrow filmmaker than Christopher Nolan? At least Spielberg knows that he appeals to mass audiences, and doesn't have any pretensions towards artistic respectability. What makes Nolan especially unappealing is that he thinks he's smarter than he actually is, and thinks that a complex plot will make up for his work's thematic and emotional emptiness.

>>85422383
yeah, right up in my ass too, it's the fastest way.

>>85422383
>dunkirk
>objectively bad filmmaking
fuck off

>tfw nobody on /tv/ will truly ever understand spr, dunkirk, or any movie about war
>tfw only a select few on /tv/ who've seen combat understand it

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>>85422414
>Dunkirk
>complex plot

>>85422359
see >>85422287
>>85422374
the first 15 minutes were very well done and felt very intense. i just felt like i didnt care whether or not any of the characters died after that. i take back what i said earlier, i dont think its a shit movie or anything. I just think its painfully average and not great unlike some other war movies (thin red line for example.) I do appreciate nolan's attempt at doing something different though.

>>85421981
That's not the crowd he's trying to fit in with. In his mind there is some elite group of /tv/ posters with superior and refined taste in film, and he wants to be seen as such. It's honestly too transparent to deserve an explanation beyond "contrarian."

>>85422448
i grew up in the ghetto and shooting happened fairly regularly does that count

>>85422383
There are some pretty good IPAs

>>85422576
the weapons they used back then are much more powerful and loud then your puny 9mm ghetto blasters

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>>85422439
>he's never seen a silent movie that can tell much more of a story than Christopher "hack" Nolan can
>he thinks large "epic" moments can replace small intimate moments
>he thinks having a stale color tone in all your movies is next level
>he likes watching characters with no motivation flounder about for 2 hours

But hey, at least there was "da big esplosions" right?

>>85422076
Das Boot
To be or not to be
To Hell and back

>>85422503
My trying to add fake depth to his work, Nolan manages to turn something simple into something confusing with his retarded split timelines.

>>85422076
Amadeus

>>85422545
i wasnt trying to appeal to some "elite group" or be a contrarian. I just didn't like the movie and every time i post complaints i am greeted with
>you didnt get it
>t. woman
>pleb
>you need a plot? characters? what?
>the cinemetography is great what are you talking about?
>completely ignore the complaints about non stop action
its just irritating. i dont give a shit if tv agrees with me and a lot of movies i love get absolutely shit on here.

>>85421660
Ignore the critics, fans have been LOVING this raunchy drama.

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>>85422679
>he doesn't like cutting to different settings/characters after watching 10 minutes of absolutely nothing with the first set of characters/settings

>>85422709
> and a lot of movies i love get absolutely shit on here.

only because you're a pleb faggot

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>>85422679
>Dunkirk
>confusing

>>85421913
Was the opening scene of Saving Private Ryan just white noise to you because you haven't yet seen 15 minutes of characters discussing "FUBAR"?

>>85422743
youre just proving my point you fucking moron

>>85422679
The time splits were pretty seamless. The movie was edited to follow a cadence of tension. If you think it was done with any pretension of being 2deep4you I don't know what to tell you.

>the day it came out /tv/ seemed to love it
>as days pass more and more people are parroting the 'boring no plot no character' meme
Was there some meme reviewer that came out with this opinion?

>>85422359
I saw it in 70mm and I felt the exact same way about it, unless you're just trolling

>>85422762
the opening scene of SPR wasn't the entire movie though, thats the difference. it was just that; 15 minutes, not 2 hours

>>85422779
>getting this butthurt over a word

like a true pleb

>>85422762
If the stupid text and bending bullets didn't take you out of Dunkirk at the beginning you're a pleb

>>85422762
15 minutes of visceral combat is effective. 2 hours of PG-13 deaths gets tiring

>>85422709
Look man you're welcome to not like the movie and I'd honestly be curious to know why but don't tell me you weren't fishing for some (You)s based on the way you wrote your original post

>>85422658
>he thinks motivation matters in war
pretty disgusting pleb opinions ITT

>>85422448
>'spr is good' meme

>>85422826
Yet it's the only part of the film that isn't kitsch.

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>>85422877
>i literally like watching mindless violence for 2 hours

>>85422874
ok ye >>85421915
was made more out of frustration than trying to cultivate discussion i will admit that
i drove very far to see it as it was my first imax 70mm experience and while the screen and sound were great i was very very very disappointed with the movie

>>85422931
t. non-american
your opinion is quite literally worthless

>>85422863
Dunkurk isn't two hours long Nolanfag.

>>85422931
>misses the point of the post
Only proving me right, friend

>>85422960
>White opinions are useless

Time to go back

>>85422795
>the cadence of tension
So to the cadence of a subjective emotion that its the job of the director to elicit regardless of how the narrative is structured? He wrote the film; he could make a compelling, tension-filled story without having to incoherently jump back and forth between timelines.

>>85422658
>beta males and nu males will try to defend this

Hop off Nolan's dick faggots

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>>85422943
>t.

>>85422850
>A character should've explain it in detail so I could understand

Nolanfags are cancer.

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>>85422970

Can someone just tell me what was the point of the time difference in the three narratives? What was the payoff? It was needlessly complex.

I first thought it was the pacing, allowing them to introduce the pilots at the same time as the beach instead of just shoving the pilots towards the end for historical accuracy. But it fails at that too, because the beach segment doesn't feel like one week, and the pilot segment is so repetitive and boring. No one wants to watch the same lame-ass dogfighting scene five times in a row.

>>85422960
>You can only be American if you enjoy jewish war porn propaganda

>>85423029
You prefer that the air and sea plotlines start in the third act? Are you the type of Nolanfag retard that needs charts to understand these simple ass films?

>>85423062
106 minutes isn't 2 hours, retard.

>>85423062
>rounding up 14 minutes

Nolanfag retard.

>>85423143
I hate Nolan, fuck off.

>>85423170
Nice false flag. The minute he doesn't make a pretentious film with pseudo-philosophical pretensions, you fedora tipping turds flip your shit. Do you need a monologue explaining how love is the only force that can overcome 15 miles of sea and Luftwaffe bombings.

>>85423253
not him but i dont like any nolan films
i think hes a hack
i think dunkirk is better than interstellar or inception if thats your point

>>85423109
The film isn't difficult to understand, it just lacks a sort of grace and coherence that would make the shifts in timelines less annoying.

>>85422950
Well that's a bummer, I definitely got the impression that the movie wasn't for everyone (and I don't say that in an elitist "you didn't get it way"). More of a horizontal aspect of taste than a vertical one.

People who shit on this movie are probably uncultured crossboarders who like to fap to anime and shitpost on /pol/. Do not listen to these people, Dunkirk is pure kino and is the best pleb filter this year.

>>85423057
>The premise of Dunkirk needs to be explained at all
>There wasn't enough information in a character looking at a propaganda pamphlet that says 'you' surrounded by red
>Implying I'm a Nolanfag
>Implying bending bullets is still a good idea

DIAF

>>85422863
Curious: how did the graphic violence in, say, Hacksaw Ridge - a movie I like, by the way- elevate that movie (or any other rated R war movie). What did Dunkirk miss out on by focusing on terror and fear rather than blood and guts?

>>85423350

You sound a fag tbhfamalam

>>85423553
there's an argument that adding gore makes the action sequences more engaging and impactful but you have to be very particular about using it in movies because the audience gets desensitized to that shit real quick and it becomes lame looking props and takes you out of the movie.

better leave stuff to the imagination if you constantly have people dying.

>>85423553
Viscera makes the stakes of combat seem higher. Seeing someone get his legs blown off and scream elicits a fundamentally different reaction that seeing someone get shot, then fall off screen never to be seen again.

>>85423029
>So to the cadence of a subjective emotion that its the job of the director to elicit regardless of how the narrative is structured?
Narritive structure is a tool, one of many, for eliciting tension. It wasn't the only one relied upon. The "cadence of tension" is pretty specific to editing and structure though because a cadence has to take place over time.
>incoherently jump back and forth between timelines
Wasn't incoherent to me, the only "wait what" moment for me had to do with the plane. The movie was three interlinked vignettes that stand largely on their own, so a chronological structure is not strictly neccissary and (in this case) would probably have been a hinderence to the tone of the film.

>>85423641
>>85423683
I actually agree with these reasons and prefer R rated war movies for much the same reason. I just don't think the impact and tone of Dunkirk suffered much, if at all, from the abscence of realistic visual brutality. It was a movie about dread, the anticipation of bad things to come, rather than their realization imo.

>>85423484
When I'm not able to tell apart the three leads in the beach narrative, then that's a problem of the film. Eventually they tell us one's a frog, but that's well past the halfway point, and it still doesn't really differentiate them.

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still doesn't hold a candle to SPR or TRL

sorry Nolan but America won WW2 in more ways than one

>>85423848
Films with unconventional narrative structures have good (and often unconscious to the audience) demarcations that indicate a narrative break. Whether it be having some characters appear exclusively in one timeline, or the film is color-corrected in a way that indicates a break from the previous scenes, or the plot is clear enough for one to understand when something is taking place. This has none of that. Instead, Dunkirk has a minimalist plot where the entire film is just the chaos of war stretched into a two hour long action sequence. That wouldn't be a problem in itself, but having very little plot doesn't juxtapose well with the methods Nolan uses to tell it. Plot and structure are intertwined, and having little plot with a structure that would better suit a Tolstoy novel feels like it's requiring too much from the audience for absolutely no payoff.

>>85424154
I'm American but Thin Red Line is pretentious garbage at a level even Nolan could only dream of making

The main problem with Dunkirk is that it is entirely forgettable and superficial. It was a good film but was in no way groundbreaking, which is the way that it has been described. It really had nothing else to say other than:

war = bad
nazis = bad
allies (specifically British) = good

>>85424620
The Thin Red Line is one of Nolan's favorite movies

>>85424622
yeah and?

>>85424675
well that explains a lot

>>85424782
Nolan wishes he could make a movie as beautiful and life-affirming as The Thin Red Line

>>85424832
TRL was such a fucking mess

>>85424847
That's an embarrassing opinion. I wouldn't share it if I were you.

>>85424723

It doesn't deserve the amount of praise plebs are giving it.

>>85424847

TRL is one of the best films ever made. Period.

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>>85424949
the movie is garbage man, it's full of itself it gets on my nerves

I'd rather marathon Band of Brothers twice in a row than watch the first half of TRL

>>85422019
t. critic

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/21/dunkirk-movie-rightwing-writers-reaction-christopher-nolan

Not a single SJW complaining about Dunkirk.

Bitter right-wingers raging anyway

>>85425165
>im not even mad youre mad

pathetic shit

>>85425165
I'm glad that SJWs have started attempting to deflect by pointing out impotent outrage coming from the other side. By saying "but those guys are annoying too!" it indicates that they know that everyone hates them.

>>85425165
Remember when they were issuing death threats to any critic who dared give a bad review of Dark Knight Rises?

>>85425051

I'm guessing you don't like Malick

all his other movies are like to that to an even greater degree than TRL

still a great director though

>>85425330
Everyone hates both "sides"

Inb4 "your side's worse!"

>>85425428
One side had the institutional power of the media, academia, and HR-culture on its side. They're both equally annoying, but they're not both equally threatening.

>>85425388
I liked Tree of Life, I tried to watch Knight of Cups but dropped it harder than Thin Red Line.

>>85421660
what the fuck are you bitching about its 93% on RT you dummy

>>85422743
holy shit are you actually implying /tv/ has good taste? how old are you?

>>85423170
>I hate Nola
nolans a good director, its that terrible hack editor Lee Smith that has edited everything hes done since Dark Knight that kills his movies

>>85425656
hes actually done everything since the prestige. ever since nolan switched editors from dody dorn to lee smith nolans movies have been plagued by his now infamous sloppy and anachronistic editing which became increasingly glaring as he stepped into the action genre

>>85423088
>Can someone just tell me what was the point of the time difference in the three narratives?

The fact that each of the three stories couldn't be told in chronological order in a way that had a functional pace to it.

The point of the movie was to show different perspectives on the eacuation, and it showed three of them, none of which work if shown in chronological order.

I also wouldn't call it needlessly complex since, even ignoring the fact it fits together pretty simply, given how mostly isolated each plot is from each other until the very end it doesn't need to be followed strictly

>>85424622
>nazis = bad

It didn't really comment on them though, only ones we ever saw where four out of focus ones.

>>85424622
fuckkkkkkkkk
you can't be fucking serious


oh yeah, the movie was totally trying to pass off a perspective on people that IT NEVER FUCKING MENTIONS ONCE


while also trying to get you to support a political alliance IT NEVER MENTIONS ONCE

>>85424622
>nazis = bad
>allies (specifically British) = good
the movie made 0 commentary on morality. and nazis were actually bad and the british were actually good in this instance, since the nazis were attempting to take over europe through warfare

>>85424949
hes right

>>85425479
yeah but the other side has alex jones, milo yiolanpops and the free market which ultimately dictates everything my roastie friend

>that tension through the entire movie
>barely any violence but you still felt the horrors of war
>harry styles actually good
How the fuck did he do it lads?

>>85426209
>war is bad
HAHAHAHAHA

>>85423088
to be able to show events from each perspective without having to cut back and forth, it wasnt complex at all

>>85426362
im not sure what that has to do with my post but yeah i suppose resorting to killing instead of diplomacy is pretty bad in general

>>85426351
>harry styles actually good
considering nickelodeon created "bands" are just a bunch of sexually molested child actors trying to keep it together psychologically, i can see why portraying a shell shocked soldier wouldnt be a stretch

>>85422810
Americans have seen it now

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>>85422960

Movies americans will never understand.

I don't think that adding half an hour of backstory to the pilot and Harry Styles would add much to the story...I mean it wouldn't make the movie that much worse, but I don't think it would make it better

It takes basic knowledge of WW2 to know what was at stake.

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>>85426616
>Movies Brits will never understand

>>85422019
>kotaku

>>85424154
>SPR
SPR is to war movies what Star Wars is to sci fi or Twilight is to romance
kys

>>85426850
>praising a movie directed by a woman

tumblr is that way

>>85426450
t. Cuckold

>>85424622
you are extremely fucking dumb. the movie shows the British committing multiple immoral actions and never mentions nazis.

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>>85421660
Did this guy make it out alive? Please god tell me this fearless demon had at least one heroic scene where he walks through a hail of bullets with a smirk on his face and comes out unscathed.

If not this movie a shit

>>85426499
harry literally has no connection to nickelodeon brah, check yourself

>>85422448
>tfw only a select few on /tv/ who've seen combat understand it

>XXIst century war
>people still claiming it makes them able to empathize with WWI and WWII veterans because they shot up some goats in bumfuckville in Iraq

>>85427292

Yeah I was impressed by how much Nolan didn't descend into masturbatory nationalism after hearing his gush about patriotism in his interviews over and over and over again and actually show men being desperate as fuck. It honestly makes the rescue effort that much more moving and powerful to see the civilians risking so much to rescue extremely flawed and borderline fucked up people, just cuz their country needed them and also cuz they were stuck in an extremely shit situation. Even if you disagree with helping people if they're shitheads, at least the film doesn't pretend like there aren't any. Regardless of your stance, sticking to true accounts was a solid decision.

Little things like Collins being told "where the hell were you?" when he gets off the boat by a soldier and that weird skelly looking guy who yells "where's the bloody airforce??" at the start were excellent. Apparently the RAF got shat on by soldiers and some pilots that crashed had to fight to get on ships home because they just weren't seen by soldiers in the sky. so soldiers pretty much felt like the air force was doing absolutely nothing.

>>85422019

Go away doug

>>85422143
Isn't that exactly what war is? Something spectacular that, when all is said and done, has accomplished little for the sacrifices made?

>>85427617
>plane ran out of gas!!!!
>such a boss that it doesn't faze him
>enemy approaching for attack run!!!!
>not having engines running means stealth
>okay, job done, time to land!
>LANDING GEAR NOT WORKING
>finally safe on land
>CAPTURED BY THE ENEMY
>partner back home getting shit

>>85421826
normies love Kubrick, you're just living in a bubble, and I find it ironic that you called them pseuds, considering yourself.

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>>85422019
>critics
>knowledgeable

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So it's true the movie jumps around in time and not in order?

I was really looking forward to this.

>>85428048
yeah but it's not arbitrary


and there's some genuine New Things that he does with it

>>85421913
Imagine how dumb you have to be to be confused by this movie lmao

>>85424561
Meh good analysis I'm not even mad, just disagree

>>85428048

It's actually not that bad and I usually hate that trope.

>>85428048
You make it sound like a bad thing. Youre not a small minded plebian are you anon?

>>85428048
It's not a gimmick, it's barely even noticable if you're absorbed by the movie. People are acting like it's the equivelent to an M Night twist or something, which is patently false and a bad comparison

e

>>85422545
epic projection. you redditors just can't comprehend someone having a different opinion wow.

>>85421660
Honestly ? They should have given each Solider his own movie first and then have them team up in Dunkirk

>>85422019
I doubt modern critics studied film at the university level.

>>85431362
lmao

>>85427424
Nope. You seem him floating dead in the water after this scene. He's not a character in the movie even. Just an extra.

>>85422019
>professional critics
like chris stuckupman? like jeremy jahns? like that literal fucking pornstar mia khalifa?

do you think just because there are people over 40 giving OPINIONS they qualify as professional film critics? they're not. they're the same retards that would've been on youtube spouting bullshit if they were in their 20s now.
most of the """"""critics"""""" that give reviews have no understanding of film. most of them probably just watched a lot of movies, but they didn't study anything film related.

wanna know how I know this? I know this because every time one of these jackoffs starts a review he/she starts it in the most pedestrian way possible and continues talking about basic bullshit like story, characters and soundtrack just like a fucking 15 year old would.
They have no understanding of what cinematography is, no understanding of what directing a scene or an actor means, no understanding of blocking, no understanding of set design, lenses used, color grading, sound design, film structure, storytelling approach, etc
I've seen so many """"critics"""" giving their shit opinion on films and many times I felt a violent urge to slap them in their idiotic faces.
>the director uses non-linear story-telling to convey a situation over multiple timelines
>the director decided to focus on the experience of being in a dire situation instead of characters on a more personal level (i.e. not a character study)
would did some critics have to say about this?
>muh story so hard to understand, not like private ryan where I can follow a simple fairy tale from A to B and understand everything perfecty
>where are muh womyn and black guys?
>why don't I know muh characters' names?

there are people being paid RIGHT NOW to write this shit.
I'm afraid to look at """""Critic""""""" reviews for kurosawa where they question the editing and why it cuts in various ways instead of doing a continuous shot or why it's filmed from more than one fucking angle...

>Caring about what pretentious, creatively bankrupt numales think

>>85421826
>You don't see the normies praising Kubrick do you,
Yes. Constantly.

>>85431519
kill yourself

the only good thing about this film was watching britbongs drowned.

I did not have a problem with the movie structure since it became evident before half of the movie was over. I dont think it conveyed too well the week-day-hour spans of time but whatever.

I did not have a problem with characters not having too much of a backstory or dialog since it obviously wasnt supposed to focus on that.

Yet, i didnt think the cinematography was impressive enough to carry the movie by itself. It did bring lots of tension and there were genuinely unnerving moments, but the photography, shots and elements on screen got very repetitive. The same beach, the same boat, the same ocean shots, the same incidents about the boats sinking with people inside, the same dogfights. I dunno, i dont think it had any memorable scene to me.

>>85432327
maybe they should've thrown some flashbacks to
>muh life back home with marge
amirite mate?
how dense are you that you call the scenery repetitive? it happened in one location. it was filmed AT THE ACTUAL LOCATION TOO.
if anything, I was expecting it to be boring as fuck given that the movie is literally an evacuation off a fucking beach, but the movie turned out to be incredibly entertaining due to the director's approach.

>>85432508
Or maybe its just subjective and whats entertaining to you may be dull for other people.

And note that i didnt only say the scenery was repetitive, i said the incidents felt repetitive too. The stranded boat scene was very smart though.

>>85432601
maybe. but the choice of shots in the movie are objectively aesthetic, so at least you have something pretty to look at, even if they might be repetitive to some audience members.

>>85432682
See, thats what i didnt get to appreciate even when i knew thats what the director was supposed to be aiming for. Landscape was very impressive but i dont recall any particularly good composition in the shots or smart articulations. I dont want to aound pretentious but thats how it felt.

Scenes with the crowded soldiers in the pier and all their helmets were pretty, if anything.

>>85432845
I can offer you my perspective on some scenes, maybe it might be of some help in understanding the direction in regards to the cinematography:

there are scenes with the lines of soldiers waiting to get on a boat to gtfo. now, I noticed some people comment something along the lines of:
>it doesn't look like there's 400.000 men there
and this is because while nolan did show lines of tens of men waiting, the choice of lens and the blocking of the scene made it look like they're fairly far apart. from a filmmaking perspective, this creates isolation, even if it involves large groups of people.
there are hundreds of men on that beach, but the way they were shown implied that while there were many men there, they were all relatively alone and exposed. having them spread out like that creates a feeling of uneasiness, as opposed to have them all bunched up together to create a strong visual image of many men together, implying strenght. the goal here was to show that they were defeated and stranded/isolated, and they had to show that visually. I feel they did a pretty good job in this regard, again, from a filmmaking perspective.
I can also elaborate on the repetitive nature of some scenes, namely with people drowning:
the mole timeline happens over the course of a week. during that week, men repeatedly tried to get off that beach and failed, some died, some returned and tried again, and again, and again. Just like murphy's character. when you see him in the night scene he's fairly hopeful that they'll get out of there. but by the time the boat finds him he's shellshocked, specifically because the repetitive nature of being bombed over and over again for an entire week and having it seem impossible to escape from that situation.
so the repetitive nature of the scenes acts as a way to show the violent, pummeling, repetitive attacks of the enemy that would just not relent. I feel it does a good job of creating tension/desperation because everyone wants it to end.

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