Why is Orville more Star Trek than than the new STD series w

They both look like shit but at least Based Riker is directing one episode of each.

thank jj abrams

>>85393756

> another uptight female captain

star trek fans are cucked

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>"You're mad"
>"I'm Mudd"

>>85393756
>seth mcfarlane

how can a man be so pathetic?
I have more repsect for my grandfather who was a child molester.

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>>85393756
Why did they put a Star Trek series in the hands of people who have never seen an episode of Star Trek before

>>85393756

I think I'd personally rather watch The Orville at this point.

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>>85395143
Fuccen mud I already hated him now he's fuccen Dwight I can't believe I'm actually going to watch this trash

>>85395205
It's being produced by Nicholas fucking Meyer, you cuck imbecile

>>85395205
If this is set only a decade before TOS why doesn't it look like they're transitioning to the primary colored hues and clothing of the Enterprise

>>85395416
The same reason Spock never told anybody about his black half-sister "Michael"

>>85395416
lol who would know that shit you nerd?

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>>85395416
It's also set 1 year after The Cage, so they should either use the turtlenecks or the standard TOS uniforms. I don't think they care about canon though.

>>85393756

Seth is a real trekkie

>>85395232
Th-then dont...

>>85395143
I could not stand this character on TWD. So they kill her off and bring her to ST.

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>budget: $105 million

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>lol Orville is more Star Trek than Star Trek

Do you retards really just look at lighting and cheesy sets and say "ah yes this is exactly what made Star Trek such a good show I'm glad McFarlane respects its integrity"?

It's Galaxy Quest for tasteless idiots.

>>85395706
WE

>>85393756
I don't understand Orville.
They had to make a 3 mn trailer to pack everything that would led you to watch the show. And there is nothing. Not a single joke, just a bunch of bad actors on a porrly disgned stage. Who wants to watch that? And its coming from someone who watched all the crappy sci fi shit ever.

>>85395747
if it's anything like galaxy quest i'd be fine with that

>>85395747
>he doesnt like galaxy quest

>>85395747
If Orville is Galaxy Quest for tasteless idiots then what does that make Discovery?
I agree with the anon who said it is trek for people who have never seen an episode of trek before and just think everything is like the recent movies.

>>85395763
WUZN'T

>>85395829
Are you sure you aren't talking about Discovery? Because the Orville trailer objectively had jokes in it, a lot of them, you may not find them funny, but that doesn't mean they aren't present.

>>85395747
If you look at >>85395205 Orville does unironically better capture the trek aesthetic than this nu-trek shit

>standard seth mcfarlane comedy in a sci-fi setting
>THIS IS SO LIKE STAR TREK

if anyone saying this isn't memeing you are actually retarded.

>>85395829
because its contrarian
its easier to say "its not that shit!" which plebs will bandwagon on rather than actually suggesting/ making something better

its why most critics will never actually suggest solutions, and why theyll keep being successful, it panders and the majority of the people it panders to, are people who have no intent to earnestly engage on the topic

then theyll go and do some jew thing like the tonight show jew who went and started writing speeches for obama rather than actually debate him

>>85395833
>>85395837
>for tasteless idiots

You people will just swallow anything as long as it has spaceships and dick jokes, won't you?

>>85395850
It makes Discovery a weak, desperate addition to a dead franchise. They're both just clinging to old imagery that reminds people of things their uncle used to talk about.

They're both going to be garbage and you don't have to watch either.

>>85395980
So every genre film ever are just memes? I pity your taste in movies.

>>85396056
I completely agree about not having to watch both, I think Orville deserves checking out an episode or two because it looks more fun than Discovery.

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>>85396082

>he thinks Star Trek is good because it has pastel uniforms and cheesy sets
>he thinks Discovery will be bad because it looks different, not because its being written by children and being made by a creatively bankrupt studio

This is what your kino memes have created, /tv/.

>>85393756
>>>85396082
>
>>he thinks Star Trek is good because it has pastel uniforms and cheesy sets

There was more to it than that, but if you don't like old Trek that is ok, I just don't think this new rehash of an old series that has taken zero steps towards making an effort to produce something quality will be worth my time.

>>he thinks Discovery will be bad because it looks different, not because its being written by children and being made by a creatively bankrupt studio

See above, you and I dislike Discovery for the same reasons, I just didn't think it was worth my time to type it out since most anons just spam "kino" or "pleb" when talking about media these days unfortunately.

>This is what your kino memes have created, /tv/

This entire website has long gone to shit, we that post here just haven't accepted it yet.

>>85396082
that's not what that post says.

apart from some of the design that's obviously in homage to trek (like galaxy quest), the show bears no similarity in content going by the trailer.

have you ever seen star trek pre abrams?

>>85395624
They added flashy new uniforms to attract the teenagers. Just like JJ did, when he redesigned the original series sweatshirts and turtleneck sweaters into something modern looking.

Star Trek was never good.

>>85396467
>the show bears no similarity in content
Yeah a ship being sent to a friendly planet that's being attacked by aliens is completely unheard of in Star Trek. All these nonsense accusations you're throwing at The Orville just make it sound like you have another reason for disliking it, like a personal hatred of Seth because he's popular.

>>85395706
How is this not racist?

>>85396546
Hello Mr. Lucas

Who will CBS blame when Discovery flops?

>>85396664
Paramount.

>>85396546

TNG and DS9 were actualy very, very good.

As a franchise it has not been good in decades though.

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>>85396664
They'll just say "see we told you the television landscape wasn't ready for more science fiction", despite all the other sci fi that's made for a fraction of the money and looks vastly better.

When the Expanse started, I thought "oh well, it'll have to do until the new Trek series comes out". But now I would much rather they commit to a full seven seasons of Expanse than even release Discovery.

>>85396605
>orville is a light hearted comedy
>star trek isn't

nonsense accusations indeed

>>85396900
Oh so you were just trolling? Good to know. I suppose Spaceballs "bears no similarity in content" to Star Wars because Star Wars isn't a comedy too?

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>>85396605
If it's ultimately just a good comedy set in on a space ship, it'll be fine and I'll probably watch it.

Based on the trailer, it's the exact same brand of half drunk anticomedy that he used in everything else he's ever done. And the retards saying "lol it's more Trek than Trek" are just seeing the blatant visual parody while demonstrating an incredible ignorance of what makes Trek actually good.

>>85397074
>And the retards saying "lol it's more Trek than Trek" are just seeing the blatant visual parody while demonstrating an incredible ignorance of what makes Trek actually good.
Can you explain to us what exactly about it doesn't look like Star Trek to you?

>>85395747
>look at lighting and cheesy sets and say
that was part of it

>>85397074
>a good comedy
>Seth McFarlane
The redditor threat is real.

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>>85397268
Star Trek is about exploring human potential in the face of a complex, sometimes hostile universe. It's about examining our nobler impulses and how they can make us better as a society and as individuals, and how people would exist in that society.

I don't know what the fuck Orville is 'about' based on the trailer but it sure as fuck isn't about us advancing together as a species.

>>85395747
>It's Galaxy Quest for tasteless idiots.
So Galaxy Quest

>>85397535
Character-wise and story-wise it was more complex and better presented than ha;f the official Star Trek movies.

Star Trek for tasteless idiots is JJ-Trek.

>>85393756
>Jason Isaacs is the captain
Well then. I feel like they stuffed all the action scenes in the trailer to bait people but maybe I'm being too optimistic.

>>85397423
So is The Orville, except instead of dry wit it's jokes. How can you have missed that? It starts with him being given a Captaincy because the brilliant humans that live on Earth are pumping out wondrous starships faster than crews to man them, to the point that Seth is the best candidate, but, whatever, we need them. So now they're sent to protect this science station full of literal examples of human potential from the hostile denizens of the universe.

I really do think this is just your hatred of Seth talking, I don't even like his other works but this looks funny and exactly what Star Trek TNG was, except funnier and changed enough that they won't get sued.

>>85397720

>we have too many spaceships I guess we'll give one to a failure

Truly inspiring. .

>>85395205
>>85393756

LENS FLARE FILTER EVERYTING

>>85397074
>>85397423
This anon gets it. I'm a bit apprehensive of STD myself because Alex kurtzman being involved at all rings alarm bells for me, plus I feel like keeping the JJ aesthetic will inevitably change some aspects of the show that will make setting it in the prime universe feel pointless anyway. That being said I love Star trek enough to still give it a shot, especially since we already know that there are multiple established trek names going into the creation of the show.
Orville on the other hand only "looks" like star trek because it has a low enough budget that it can't avoid looking like a show that was made decades ago. The trailer for the show was lame jokes mixed with what seemed like generic bad guy alien action crap. Which the STD trailers have mostly been too btw, but while that show has Nicolas Meyer and was established by Bryan Fuller, this show has Seth MacFarlane. I might watch it because I've been wanting another goofy sci fi show since finishing farscape, but not because it looks like I'll enjoy it in any way like I would an actual Star trek show.

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Both of these shows look like shit. How is Gotham?

>>85398048
Yeah, what kills me is McFarlane fucking loves Star Trek and science fiction. He was an executive producer for the new Cosmos series with Neil deGrassi Tyson but had them keep his name out of the promotional stuff because he knows what his brand represents.

I'd be perfectly happy if it turned out good, but they know exactly who they're trying to sell to.

>>85393756
>>85395205
I don't care about the ship or the pajamas being replaced by normal space suits. What really annoys me is the lighting. Why are they in the dark? Even JJ knew that you need fucking light to see shit. Sure he pushed it to the other end with the lense flares, but why make everything dark?
And don't tell me that because it's a prequel. I doubt they didn't knew how to make light sources or had a light bulb shortage while they were building space ships.
It annoyed me in the old movies too, they just switched off the light on the enterprise d, because why not.

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>>85398232
>hey remember all those complaints ENT got for everything being too dark and metallic?
>yeah?
>let's make it even darker and more metallic
>haha, absolute madman

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>>85398232
Same thing happened with the TNG movies. Some studio head got nervous that it looked too cheesy/cheap and told them to make it look more cinematic.

>>85395166
I admire his ability to commit to a joke, sometimes as long as a third of his episode, that even he knows is in no way funny or amusing. It shows good character on his part.

>>85398387
By old movies I meant the TNG ones. It's been a long time since I saw the ToS ones and I don't remember it's lighting much

>>85398476
Funny you make the o small, because terms of service. TOS movies fluctuated, I remember the motion picture had darker, but Khan was almost TOS series bright.

>>85398387
Nemesis and Insurrection are objectively waste of the money, but First Contact was kino.

>>85395166
no matter how wacked out your grandfather is he is white and JJ is a jew so at least that is a positive that your not related to low IQ uncreative jewish people.

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>>85395747

>Hating Galaxy Quest

>>85396792
after the Kino of this season they might. at least we're only 1 year to a full 3rd season this time.

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>>85395670
Nope I must pirate and complain when is cancelled from low ratings

>>85396792
I read that unless ratings begin to pick up during season 3 we will not get a season 4

>>85398766
>for tasteless idiots

You people are having serious difficulty comprehending a six word sentence.

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Why the fuck is CBS so ashamed to make a Star Trek series teared towards actual Star Trek fans? Do they assume that Trek fans will just watch this shit and they are trying to cater to a wider audience of normies?

>>85399024
Part of the problem is no one is quite sure what "Star Trek" even is anymore.

Episodic shows don't really fly in the modern age, and the most profitable and most culturally relevent version of Trek at the moment is also the least like original Trek.
Some experimentation is to be expected.

>>85399024
CBS are incompetent, they thought this is what we wanted because the movies made so much money, and it would be so popular that it would finally get someone subscribed to CBS All Access except mothers who got their children to set it up so they could watch their CSINCIS shows on it.

bah
I'll make my own space sci fi series
and it'll be set on a space station
and there'll be a bar run by a jewish character
and there's a police officer on the space station who investigates space crime, he's a space cop
and there's also a very attractive doctor character who has sex with everyone
also some other characters who reside on the station, but they're not as important

>>85399209
And you can call it "Constantinople 6"

>>85399256
I wish I hadn't laughed as hard as I did.

>>85398715
as opposed to high IQ creative 4chan posters amirite?

>>85399256
it's very dissimilar to babylon 5

>>85393872
this was the /thread right here desu

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>>85399160
Then actually experiment. Make a show that is a reboot or set in the Calvin timeline. Don't make a show that looks just like a reboot/something that takes place in that timeline and then say it takes place ten years before TOS. That is just going to piss off and confuse OG fans.

It seems CBS is trying to cast too wide a net and they are going to end up with a mediocre product that nobody is happy with.

>>85398387
Your picture is of an alternate universe episode of TNG where darkness is absolutely appropriate because everything's fucked in that reality

>>85399160
If they're going to make a long season-arc show they could've picked a more interesting time period than "10 years before Kirk"

>>85399604
That reality had the Enterprise being a war ship. Wouldn't it be even more appropriate for everything to be fully lit in that situation? Would be terribly unfortunate if somebody accidentally pressed the torpedo button fumbling around in the dark like that

>>85393756
>star trek has always been the epitome of progressivism

>get mad about star trek being progressive

ffs

>>85398878
I read stuff while taking a shit on a public toilet too
source or fuck off

>>85399024
nutrek, everything must be nu

>>85399893
weak bait

>>85395004
Captain in STD is Jason Isaacs.

>>85395205
>dat man-spreading

A L P H A
L
P
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>>85399970
the guy who doesn't even want to talk about his STD role in interviews? I'm sure he feels ecstatic

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>>85396664


Trump or white men in general.

>>85399943
but its not anon

>>85399594
>Picart.jpg

>>85399893
someone post that Thomas Sowell quote

>>85399970
inb4 he's the first trans captain in Trek history
would explain this >>85400095

>>85399907
Who /toiletposting/ here? I'm shitting in a public toilet right this moment

>>85399893
>progressivism in the 60s
Hey, maybe we should stop lynching niggers and just try to get along you know

>progressivism in the 2010s
CAUSE MY SEX JUNK

>>85398114
WELP guess Ill give it a watch if theyre introducing Ras AND hes Julian "I wouldve won the Eugencis Wars" Bashir.

>>85398878
how can The Expanse pick up the ratings if they never have repeats of previous seasons?

>>85400408
>repeat runs
that would be too 90s

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All they fucking had to do was make a show that takes place 30 years after TNG. It would be far enough in the future that newcommers to the franchise can be properly introduced to species they arent familar with by having them be experimental officers on an experimental vessel (how cool would the first Cardie Starfleet officer be?), reasonably tweak the ship and uniform designs a bit, and have the actors who want to cameo be the appropriate age.

But CBS are faggots who care more about TOS brand recognition than making an actual fucking good show.

>>85399907
https://www.wired.com/2017/03/geeks-guide-the-expanse-2/

>>85398174
Don't forget his cameos on enterprise as some random crewmen.
Or getting Patrick stewart a regular spot on American dad, or the numerous trek cameo's in family guy.
Sure he's a douchey east coast WASP, but so am I.

>>85400482
>30 years after TNG
So STO: The Series?

>trying to make more space comedy when the space comedy kino already exists
Why even bother?

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>>85400273
>be gay
>in 50s/60s protests were people in business suits with signs saying "we're just like you"
>gays not labeled mental illness anymore in 70s
>gradual change into having gay pride parades where flaming faggots in bondage gear suck each other off in front of children
>LGB has acquired all straight rights yet refuses to beat their swords into ploughshares and live normal lives
>meanwhile I sit here next to my husband, living a normal life, enjoying working on cars, hunting, fishing, vidya, and watching flicks
>get told I have "internalized homophobia" for not sucking dicks every waking moment by the LGBT cultmunity
>now this sex junk muh genderfluid thin privilege tumbler snowflake horseshit is starting to infest real life
>people like me will likely be blamed and purged for this shit when progressives push it too far

I blame middle aged sex starved women for all of this Marxist insanity.

>>85400522
>"Hey our new scifi series rocks, everyone seems pleased. Digital downloads could be better though..."
>"Mmmm, tell the people we are not pleased with ratings and we gonna shitcan the series if we don't make dosh soon"
>ONLY YOU CAN SAVE THE EXPANSE
>BUY IT ON AMAZON, ITUNES SO PRODUCERS ARE PLEASED!!1!

>>85399750
Well all the LCARS displays are back lit. So that's not really an issue.
And everyone seems to forget voyager started the "dark bridge" at least under red alert.
I could see some argument for the lights being dimmed to cut some time off of getting your night vision in the event main power is cut, and you wouldn't want to shoot every bridge scene with red lights, so they just make it darker. I guess.

>>85400482
>(how cool would the first Cardie Starfleet officer be?),
>implying Garak hasn't already been named supreme leader of the alpha quadrant by then

>>85400748
That TNG family guy episode is one of the most egregious squandered cameo episodes ever made though.

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>>85399594
>then actually experiment
>they actually experiment
>doesn't count lol, too confusing

>>85400976
It's not my community dog. Handle your people.

>>85400976
>>85400273
look at that, triggered that their progressive show is progressive

>>85393756
>Seth MacFarlane
Why do they keep giving this hack more work?

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>>85395624
>It's also set 1 year after The Cage, so they should either use the turtlenecks or the standard TOS uniforms. I don't think they care about canon though.
For you anon :D

>>85396175
>>he thinks Star Trek is good because it has pastel uniforms and cheesy sets
take it youve never been on an aircraft carrier you fucking soddomite.

>>85401301
>Implying stewie taking them all through the drive through wasn't a great gag
Stewie's cutaway about his cousin Quark Griffin has always stuck with me too.

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>>85401305
Making a reboot and then saying it isn't a reboot isn't them being experimental. It's them trying to appeal to too many people while still trying to maintain the status quo. They're not really taking any risks, they're just pissing people off.

>>85395205
Not that I care about Trek that much, but I don't really like how they've made the bridge all dark and moody. I prefer the well lit bridge Orville has, as it just feels more functional.

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>>85401243
Garak isn't Starfleet, nor would he ever join Starfleet. However, I can see young spoonheads joining Starfleet after the Dominion war if Starfleet helps with the reconstruction of their homeworld.

But we're never getting a series set after DS9 so none of this matters.

>>85393756

Missed a fucking trick by having a human rasied by vulcans. Should have had a vulcan raised by humans and all the extreme emotional baggage that goes with that.

Also should've been set during the Dominion War, should've got to see the new Federation Marines etc etc

>>85401306
It ain't mine either, man. I never went to college or lived in a coastal state, nothing they do makes a bit of sense to me. I fit in with those people just as much as you do.

>>85401382
>for a few years academy had a glam rock star as the uniform designer
I don't hate it t b h

>>85401492
>here's some new take on klingons
>we aren't making the captain the main character

nigger this is already more experimental than TNG or VOY, what do you even want from a new series 12 years since the last one?

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Here's a hot tip! Both of them are gonna be ass.

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>>85401782
Just like Star Wars!

It's almost like rebooting sci-fi series when you give no fucks about sci-fi is a terrible idea or something!

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>>85401759
If you are going to make Klingons look completely different just ten years before Klingons are introduced, just fucking make a new timeline. What they are doing makes no goddamn sense, and you can tell the people making the show don't actually give a fuck about TOS and are just using it for the brand recognition.

It would be a bigger risk to do what they're doing and put it in a new timeline than to just fuck with the original timeline so they can appeal to people who have only watched the Calvinverse movies. You would alienate your original fanbase a lot less.

>>85401382
I know it's OCD but this really, really bothers me. Want a uniform that doesn't match anything else? Set it in a time frame not sandwiched between uniforms that were so similar. Want to use that time frame so badly? Sure, update the uniforms and use some creative license, but make it at least fucking plausible that they fit that time.

>>85402086
Oh c'mon their not even similar, look at the really old uniforms their turtle necks and the regular ones are vnecks, its completely logical that between the 2 a totally different uniform existed just like how in the US military the Air Force and the Army wear different uniforms, its the same thing here.

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>>85402071
Either don't take risks at all and stick to what worked or take huge risks and go with a new continuity. I want fucking all or nothing, not this mashup that is trying to appeal to everyone and appeals to nobody.

>>85402183
I'd like a new series alternate timeline where Bashir and Miles fall in love after Keiko has a tragic transporter accident death.

>>85402071
It's a new show, they can pick and choose how they want the make up and the sets done. The change for Klingons between TOS and TNG is even joked about in the series as a pure hand-wave, because - turns out - it doesn't fucking matter.

No-one was ever going to have some weird Star Trek show off in another continuity and a completely out-there timeframe. Every single series in Trek is connected to the others in some way, all reference each other. What you want sounds interesting, but not Trek. Go watch the Expanse or something like that.

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>>85400978
Sniff sniff I smell Ferengi

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>>85402387
>It's a new show, they can pick and choose how they want the make up and the sets done. The change for Klingons between TOS and TNG is even joked about in the series as a pure hand-wave, because - turns out - it doesn't fucking matter.
You never saw any Trek series proving you shouldnt even be posting. Ent completely goes through a whole arc explaining the change in Klingons appearance. Why are you such a p'tak?

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>>85393756
Just to show I didnt cherry pick that frame from STD here is another mockup showing how in STD it looks like its made by a child with a video editor adding every effect and filter possible.

>>85402387
Thank-you for CBSetting the Record Straight!

0.1 minutes of FREE viewing time have been added to your CBS All Access account!

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>>85402387
God, I seriously hope this is bait.

>>85402580
Yeah, Enterprise made up an excuse after DS9 first joked about it. It was a makeup change that didn't actually need an explanation.

But sure, let's wait for the retcon excuse three series after this one for the retcon, then you'll probably be happy.

>>85402642
>>85402677
Fuck off, retards. There's a lot of clear problems with the new show (they changed writers a ridiculous amount, the lens flare is ugly as sin, it's clearly pandering to Star Wars). Changing how Klingons look or the time setting aren't.

>>85402686
>Yeah, Enterprise made up an excuse after DS9 first joked about it. It was a makeup change that didn't actually need an explanation.
your totally 100% right but ENT went through alot of trouble with that and some other things to explain them is my point. Weather we liked it or not wasnt my point as I wasnt an ENt fan, but I see it as insulting to just replace the hard work they did.

>>85401613
>Garak becomes ambassor of cardassia to the federation after DS9
>Then he's elected as leader of cardassia
...
>Cardassia joins the federation
>Garak is elected president

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>>85402728
>(they changed writers a ridiculous amount, the lens flare is ugly as sin, it's clearly pandering to Star Wars).
Whats funny about that is their ripping off the JJ Abrams Trek movies. The funnier part is Abrams has since apologized for the over usage of these effects and said they were a mistake in his judgement to use so many, STD apparently didnt get that fucking memo.

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>>85401382
It's not like this is happening for the first time.

>>85402817
Do you people really need some sort of new babble about why Klingons look different this time around? They were accepted as just having changed in THE MOTION PICTURE, which was a TOS movie, not even set far in the future. It doesn't warrant an excuse except to people who angrily have discussions on Memory-Alpha talk pages.

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>>85402728
>changing how the klingons look when it has been explicitly explained exactly how their disappearing ridges happened is fine, even though the show takes place a single decade before TOS, with Klingons looking completely normal during ENT, 100 years prior

>>85402940
that takes place later not at the same time anon-kun.

>>85402981
>They were accepted as just having changed in THE MOTION PICTURE
the movie isnt part of the original canon, are you sure your even allowed to be using the computer without your parents permission?

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>>85402854
The Federation isn't Starfleet Anon.

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>>85403086
Movies are canon, what are you even trying to say here? That it doesn't count?

>>85403150
were you born retarded?

>>85403095
I know that, but by joining the federation, cardassians can join starfleet.

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>>85403150
never go full retard nigga

>>85403183
Were you? The movies altering the looks of the Klingons should be as offensive to you as Discovery's change is.

>>85402981
>60's tv show with a $25 dollar budget per episode changes the design when they get a feature length production budget
>People haven't stopped asking why since
And the klingon makeup was fine and theatrical. No one liked when they changed them for into derpness, so why double down with another new awful design? Especially when it's already cannon why they look different in the series that already exists that already takes place before TOS.
Its a dipshit decision made by some studio exec who glanced at packet from market research.

>>85403216
the movies themselves are offensive, hence your retarded. Do you even know what that word means you angry manchild or have you never left your basement?

>>85402854
>inauguration day
>President Garak steps up to the podium
>ATTENTION FEDERATION WORKERS

>>85399024
they're retarded. They lost every demographic with this trash. Some completionist fans will pirate it, maybe some idiots who still subscribe to CBS will see it too, but I really doubt any one will watch STD unironically.

>>85403280
Klingons have already changed three times throughout the series history, who the hell cares about another? It changed within TOS's own time, too.

You can dislike the design itself - that's fine, tastes differ. But the simple fact that it changed isn't bad in itself.

>>85403321
>the movies don't count
I'm afraid they do.

Also, are you unable to create a post without shitflinging or is that how you think arguments work?

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Daily reminder that Dukat did nothing wrong.

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>>85399024
>Do they assume that Trek fans will just watch this shit
Yes its the same thing with ghostbusters, and comics or games. Jews are too stupid due to their inbred DNA to realize that the rest of us arent robots like they are.

>>85403185
Strictly speaking ANYONE can join starfleet. If you're a non federation species your application needs to be sponsored by a federation civilian or starfleet officer (can't remember which). Ensign Ro and Noggles were officers without their species joining the federation (bajor doesn't enter until the end of DS9, and ferenginar fucking never). Worf too, but since he was adopted he was probably considered a citizen and them promptly put on the cover of every starfleet accademy brochure for a decade before they ultimately get called out for shooping worf into events he never attended.
GO BADGERS!

>>85403437
>Also, are you unable to create a post without shitflinging or is that how you think arguments work?
You cant handle being called out for what you are manbaby? Sorry even the official sites designate the movies are not the same timeline as the tv shows. Try harder faggot, or give up, you already showed how brain dead you are.

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>>85403399
Now I am imaging First Lady Julian Bashir dressed like Jackie Kennedy.

>>85403444
He did, tons of shit. But that's what makes him a good character. Damar genuinely did nothing wrong

>>85403534
>Sorry even the official sites designate the movies are not the same timeline as the tv shows.

Wait... don't tell me you think "The Motion Picture" refers to the 2009 nu-Trek, right? Please tell me I'm wrong.

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Best uniform coming through.

>>85403522
God, now I want a series set in the Starfleet propaganda offices with recurring guest roles from Worf and others complaining about this kind of stuff.

>>85403437
>Klingons have already changed three times throughout the series history
Two times, and if you want to argue this point I'm going to stab you in the throat with a 3D chess board.

>>85403522
>them promptly put on the cover of every starfleet accademy brochure for a decade before they ultimately get called out for shooping worf into events he never attended.

kek

>>85403675
>implying I can't deflect your chessboard with my rad new forehead ridges

>>85403556

Damar murdered Garak's gf though

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>>85403608
I don't think so.

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>>85403602
>>85403534
holy shit that's embarrassing

>>85403740
Like I said, nothing wrong.

>>85403608
These and the ENT uniforms are the only ones that actually look and feel like practical uniforms.
I've never liked the TNG era pajamas, I get that it's a post scarcity society with different concepts of ownership and material acquisition, but where the fuck are the pockets? Pockets are useful fucking things to have, even without having money or a wallet.
How much time is wasted when someone has to get a friend to unzip your onesey just so you can take it all the way off just to take a piss or a shit.

I watched the trailer for Orville and there wasn't one good joke.

>strong person knocks door down after Seth Mcfarlane tried to open it
>I loosened it for you.

That's bottom tier humor. It's one step above a knock knock joke.

I like the look though, so I will give it a shot.

>>85401613
If they made a mini series on Netflix or something that showed characters from the tng/ds9/voy era I bet it'd do well. Wouldn't matter if it was more niche or lower budget if it's character driven. Could even lead into new events and fresh faces

>>85403608
This is the truth, fight me if you disagree.

>>85404052
>take a piss or a shit.
They beam the shit right out

>>85403608
Those are great dress uniforms, but not very good duty uniforms.

>>85403773
Needs more division color.

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>>85403773
Crusher embracing the "old hag" look kek.

>>85403773
>Lets keep all the problems of the pajamas but make it impossible to tell what branch you work in unless im standing right in front of you
Meh. Picard's swag captain's jacket in the later seasons was as good as that era of uniforms got.
It's weird how costumes were one of the few things TOS did better production wise. They had good wardrobes for all the other characters.
TNG, DS9, and VOY were just the worst about putting everyone in beige jumpsuits that only kind of fit, or awful pink chiffon. Then give them an awful hairdo that looks like the matted assfur of a fat old labrador styled into one impractical chunk on the top of their head.

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>>85403773
Riker looks good. Black is slimming and the turtleneck hides what parts of the double chin the beard doesn't.

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>>85403773
Fat Riker looks really handsome in this uniform

>>85404517
>>85404533
jonathan and marina please get off /tv/

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>>85404517
>>85404533
Hivemind

>>85403556
>Gets drunk and leaks classified state secrets that the war effort depends on to the bartender.
>Nothing wrong.
I thought the spoonheads were supposed to be cagey to a fault?

>>85403773
>no visor geordi

What a mistake

>>85402940
Man everything about TMP was a late 70s new age fever dream.

>>85395624
What was spock doing after the cage, but before Kirk??

>>85404783
Drinking and getting laid

>>85395685
It's the same actress not character.

>>85404216
>but not very good duty uniforms.
What's wrong with them? People doing grunt work in engineering have their white jumpsuits. The security officers have spaceball helmets and hockey pads. Everyone else is sitting in a space cubicle monitoring shit.
And I always assumed those things were climate controlled space jackets, so you were comfy in all but the most extreme climates.

>>85404972
>there's a difference there

>>85403800
That is honestly a great fucking commercial.

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>>85405107
This one was pretty good too

>>85404783
Presumably still operating as first officer of the enterprise.
They probably had them dry docked for a while during the hearings too, or had it doing training runs around the solar system with spock as instructor and acting captain.
Either that or going back to vulcan for more training.
It's always one or the other.

Because Seth was a Star Trek fan and knows how Star Trek fans wants their shows to look (even though he's not making a Star Trek show and it will probably be shit like most other stuff he does),

CBS is just taking JJ Trek and making it darker.

reading this thread makes me think there is a generational gap in play. this may just be star trek for milennials, ie: not for you if you grew up with shows like TNG and DS9.

>>85398048
>Orville on the other hand only "looks" like star trek because it has a low enough budget that it can't avoid looking like a show that was made decades ago.

Or it looks like Star Trek because people behind the show are Star Trek fans who understand subject matter they are turning into parody.

Why does 90s Star Trek look so much better than modern Star Trek?

>>85405321
Most of us are in our mid to late 20s and watched Voyager on UPN and eventually watched everything when it became available for streaming so youre entirely wrong.
There are a few true oldfag trek fans here but not as many as you think.
I dont think you know what millenials are.

>STD

Unfortunate.

>>85405421
>Why does 90s Star Trek look so much better than modern Star Trek?
Because most 90s things are better than their modern day counterparts.

>>85405501
Paramount is all about self sabotage.

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>>85405517
remember the 90s?

>>85405474
i'm in my 40s i know what millenials are (you are a millenial).

>>85405622
Of course I am. Did you think I meant it in a derogatory way?

are there really people her saying that Orville isn't designed to look and feel exactly like old trek, but as parody?

What the fuck?

>>85405679
no but i did. fuck off.

>>85405246
glad I'm not a hardcore trekkie

"darker jj trek" works for me, at least if they get better writing than jj

>>85405738
No thanks dad.

>>85405517
>dude the 90's were like soooo much better than today amirite?
>born in 1998

Oroville looks unfunny and plain and is filled with ugly people.

Discovery just looks like shit from every angle.

Guess I'll just watch TNG again :<

>>85405755
>"darker jj trek" works for me
Under 18 spotted

>>85405321
I think the problem is CBS trying to appeal to

1.younger people
2.Keep in tone with JJ abrahams movies
3. they have no respect for the original works
4.they have political and social agendas they want to push

STD will be for ST like SGU was for SG

>>85405764
Incorrect. I might be as old as your dad. I watched TNG when it premiered. And I watched TNG when it went off the air.

>>85404052
I thought they had some velcro type of shit they used to fasten stuff to their pajamas (the phasers at least did)

But yes the TOS movies were top tier as far as costume, set and ship designs go

>>85399024
The fan made stuff is kicking their asses. This is not made to do well. Like SJW comics that do not sell, It is made to keep a death grip on the rights.

>>85403063
2254 we have turtlenecks
2265 we have sweatshirts
2270 we have the nautilus
2278 we have space mounties (for almost a century)
2353 we have pajamas

>>85401382
Now do one for the Klingons.

>>85399024
Well to be honest it's not like JJ's movies were a financial catastrophe

They're just doing what's proven to work.

The two piece TNG uniforms were the best and nobody can tell me otherwise.

I love that even though it doesn't fit with naming conventions, everyone has silently agreed to abbreviate the new show STD.

>>85400273
this - the left won and when started to burn itself from the inside

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>>85406029
Second best combadge (and the best ranking system) coming through.

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>>85393756
Remember that Axanar dies for this.
Memes aside it looked great, why didn't CBS see this was going to be a hit and give funding to the producers? They were doing a great job.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W1_8IV8uhA&t=5s

>>85397656
for first 10 minutes

>>85406171

True. Loved the gold bar behind combadge thing.

>>85406239
I allowed them to show their rank as well, so it's multipurpose.

>>85406085
it just fits well
>Take the D
or
>Fuck DIS
would be to obvious

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>>85393872
Good ole Two Takes

>>85399604
and now Trump is president our reality is just as fucked and we need to show little girls they can be in charge of the boys

>>85406181
Keep trying Alex. Hopefully that "blooper" reel won't come out.

>>85405421
>24th century
>Travel between stars in an afternoon
>Create simulacrum realer than real life, for fun.
>Food from thin air.
>Still havent discovered accent wall technology
Beige, grey, and flesh tones is like if not trying was a color palette.

>>85402071
It has to be the "prime" timeline to keep the fan made stuff (that is better than the junk we making) from being made

>>85398232
maybe they do it because it looks better you nerd

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>>85406339
Why do they call him two takes?

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>>85401043
>Well all the LCARS displays are back lit. So that's not really an issue.
Watching a bright screen in the dark causes eye strain and can cause temporary blindness if you suddenly have to look at your surroundings which are far too dark for you to discern

>>85399750
BSG got this right.

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>>85406879
Because he always gets two scoops

>>85406879
because his teeth gave him problems

>>85405850
>Have to deliver these data rods to stellar cartography
>And these isolinear chips to engineering
>And this bat'leth to lieutenant Worf
>And whycantIholdallthesepadds.jpg
You just need pockets dog. Think about how many episodes they find someones badge on the surface and then ro running off after them. Y-you just going to hold that com badge for a while? I hope you don't need to do anything with both hands, like fight a naussican, or pretend like styrofoam rocks are heavy. It's a good thing we just have the one set.

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>>85407085

>>85405805
Nice summary, I agree they are being pulled in multiple directions. I understand they need to bring in a new audience. I am cautiously optimistic. It is sad the original aesthetic is dead though.

>tfw no Riker daddy bf

>>85405761
did you clean your room? sorry for being a dick, it just sucks being old.

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Here is my pitch/fanfic for a new Trek. 30 years after TNG. The captain of the Discovery is an admiral's kid or whatever and he has to prove himself that his position wasn't due to just nepitism, and is constantly under pressure to live up to his family name. There is an Andorian security officer, a J'naii science officer, a qt female Cardie doctor that is part of an officer exchange program, and a Romulan first officer who rose through the ranks of Starfleet Academy despite mistrust and prejudice from their peers.

Pic unrelated and meant to act as a distraction from my bad ideas.

>>85403608
this
TNG is a close second

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>>85407176
>tfw no fat Riker bf to snuggle and feed gagh to

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>>85407598
>tfw no qt Bedouin husbandou whose goats and camels you tend and who you feed dates to after he comes home to your tent in the middle of the desert after he spent a long day at the market looking for a second wife to purchase

>>85401382
>"The Discovery uniforms were a mistake, it's all trash"

>>85396056
>Galaxy Quest
>Dick jokes

I can't stand this place anymore, holy fuck.

>>85395205
>>85393756
Because the old Star Trek style wasn't selling. Hence a gritty more realistic take. It's called brand reinvention.

Orville has no worries because it's a new show parodying an old one so of course it has to heavily draw from the thing it's parodying so the joke doesn't get lost on dumb folk

>>85408416
>Hence a gritty more realistic take

JJ Trek and Discovery are neither "gritty" nor "realistic." At least no more so than TNG-era shows. Take your buzzwords and shove them.

>>85408416
>the old Star Trek style wasn't selling.
Blame the show runners for doing everything they could to make voyager garbage, and tried to start enterprise out the same way.
Which, by the way, debuted late in september 2001, without the name "star trek" in the title, so one could appreciate how it might have gone unnoticed for the first season.

>>85408546
It's called brand reinvention. Deal with it.

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>>85402630
What is with this fucking lens flair?

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>>85405246
>Because Seth was a Star Trek fan and knows how Star Trek fans wants their shows to look
what is weird is CBS rejected Seth because they would have to pay for it, while with STD they got Netflix to pay for the whole season since CBS vowed to not spend any money on STD.

>>85405805
uhhh no they spefcifically said their going for the Walking Dead audience hence STD featuring graphic violence, gore, profanity and explicit sex scenes, prepare your anus for on screen gay sex!

>>85406025
>Well to be honest it's not like JJ's movies were a financial catastrophe
Yes they were because JJ fucked up which he admitted making him honest. The money is in licensing memorabilia and the licensing value for the JJ properties are fucking nothing senpai.

>>85406181
>Memes aside it looked great, why didn't CBS see this was going to be a hit and give funding to the producers? They were doing a great job.
Cuz they fired Bryan Fuller who left his emmy award winning shows he created to work on STD and they booted him for not using profanity. All of his work was canned and reshot.

>>85406983
ACTION STATIONS ACTIONS STATIONS SET FLEET TO CONDITION ONE

>>85408976
>the Walking Dead audience
Brb slitting my wrist

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>>85406370
>and now Trump is president our reality is just as fucked and we need to show little girls they can be in charge of the boys
No only yours manbaby, but in any event Star Trek is fantasy land where the show can fail, in real life you have to live with your failure of choosing to follow a loser like a lemming off a cliff.

>>85406983
that lighting looks much better than STD, looks like their in a fucking cave with future tech, oh and dont forget the niggers flying rocket suit.

>>85408259
>"The Discovery uniforms were a mistake, it's all trash"
They dont look bad, but they might have looked better pre or post ENT maybe?

>>85408416
>Because the old Star Trek style wasn't selling
your fucking retarded, every store in the known universe carries Star Trek memorabilia or something with the logo and its not the Jew Abrams disaster stuff either.

>>85409116
>>the Walking Dead audience
>Brb slitting my wrist
There is crossover alot of trek fans like walking dead, but their DIFFERENT things and not the same thing. This is why they fail, their trying to make them the same when their not.

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Did they?

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>>85404493
>impossible to tell what branch you work in unless im standing right in front of you
Only if your hair obscures your neckline, you could tell everyone except Beverly from behind.

And the DS9 jumpsuits were the best ones, with the specialisation on the shoulders and the rest black.

>>85409372
Apparently a lot of trek fans must like nails in the dick too.

>>85409520
>Only if your hair obscures your neckline
Or it dirty from an away mission, or they're in light shade, or a darkship during an emergency.
I get why they did it, from a practical production standpoint, but I don't have to like it.

>>85409587
I'd rather have them sit around and debate their actions than a bloody schlock stream.

>>85405684
Apparently so. Some kind of trolling maybe?

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>>85406015
Not that guy but there's this

>>85395004
>female captain

This time different , ugly gook old hag are captain

and every alien in this show neither niggerfication or moronic

no eye candy casting like deanna troi
no interesting characters like Data or Quark
no kick-ass storytelling like TNG

FUCK Star Trek Diversity

>>85409974
>Find the Niggerest man you can
>Melt his face and smack it with a baseball bat a few times

>>85395205

The show was literally going to be produced by The writer/director of Star Trek 2 4 and 6, and a DS9 / Voyager alumni.

All the bad seems to be coming from exactly 1 studio exec who doesn't like the Trek aesthetic and forced the shitty redesigns.

>>85409974
>Klingons are literally just niggers now
What did they mean by this?

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>>85410124
>no interesting characters like Data or Quark

>>85409587
>Apparently a lot of trek fans must like nails in the dick too.
I wouldnt be surprised if this was in STD to be honest with all their virtue signaling their selling, only problem is noone buys it

>>85393756
>cbs
literally no one will watch this. i give it one season.

>>85410392
Only the pilot will be on TV, the rest is exclusive to their online streaming service in the US, Netflix outside the US, so:

L I T E R A L L Y
I
T
T
E
R
A
L
L
Y

nobody will watch this

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>>85410392
Make that two, they will scrape together some pennies from god knows where

The ship in Orville certainly looks cooler than Discovery's rejected concept art ship

Discovery seems to be going for the nu-Dr Who look

>>85410526
>Make that two, they will scrape together some pennies from god knows where
CBS stated they will provide no funding to STD, all funding must be provided by Netflix or some other outside interest for it to get a second season and Netflix has not given any funds nor endorsed the show at all due to all the fuck ups.

>>85410526
Netflix is already unhappy after realising they paid for the entire show and therefore they're the only ones taking a financial risk over it, that's probably why they're advertising it so much more cleverly.

>>85393872
Why does /tv/ keep saying this? It once again shows how little /tv/ knows. The director of an episode in an ongoing series has next to no creative input.

>>85393756
>caring about ST after Voyager disaster and Enterprise existence.

I guess some people never learn to move on.

>>85404972
No, she is literally the same character

>>85395685
>I could not stand this character on TWD.
They needed a black person because the creators said they refused to show any whites or males in a leadership position. Typical fail show that favors propaganda over just making a show.

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Holy shit, they removed the video? Was the new ST trailer THAT bad?
Is there a mirror?

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>>85406025
>Well to be honest it's not like JJ's movies were a financial catastrophe

First two movies were successful, but third one was borderline bomb at box office. Most likely because first two already alienated the thing that made Trek survive for 50 fucking years, Trekkies. Jar Jar managed to alienate the existing fans.

Jar Jar also wanted to make new Trek TV-show, computer games and shieet. To avoid branding confusion he also wanted to kill licensing of old Trek stuff. CBS makes more money from licensing old Treks...

Since uniforms are have had so much attention on this thread... those were one of few things Jar Jar did absolutely perfectly in his movies. Three other things he got right was casting, shuttle design and using National Ignition Facility as engine room set. Everything else was utter trash.

>>85411309
>Holy shit, they removed the video?
Its not removed. The video is region restricted to block anyone else in the world outside the US from seeing the trailer, to see it you gotta use a US based proxy.

>>85409974
We wuz Kilingon's & sheit

>>85411497
Why the fuck do they put a region lock on marketing stuff? Are they nuts?

>>85411319
>Jar Jar also wanted to make new Trek TV-show, computer games and shieet. To avoid branding confusion he also wanted to kill licensing of old Trek stuff.
JJ backed off the licensing thing but these 2 things go hand in hand. CBS who own the rights to the TV show were being dicks, they literally turned down JJ's offer to make a TV show because they said they were selling commemorative TNG plates, they actually sent that in a formal letter he posted somewhere. He is just too noob though to think he has the cred to demand that anyone pull licensing of stuff when he has yet to prove he can generate licensing revenue himself.

Spoiler: STD is done under the license from CBS to Paramount, it is NOT done under the CBS license.

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>>85411497
Thanks for the heads up, anon. Gonna proxy up now.

The new star trek will bomb horribly.
SJWs don't watch this shit no matter how much it panders, and no one is paying for fucking CBS online.
>fuck mean ol frumpf, we are going to show him by making a star trek show of all stonk lesbians
>it bombs
>reeeeeee systematic racisim

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>>85411497
>Its not removed. The video is region restricted to block anyone else in the world outside the US from seeing the trailer, to see it you gotta use a US based proxy.

That just shows how bad CBS is with dealing with interwebz, they did same fuck up with previous trailer. Someone else within the corporation re-uploaded the US trailer couple days after they had triggered fuckloads of non-US Trekkies. Literally CBS-News was doing damage control for them. One part of company that actually has some touch on how this series of tubes work.

>>85411600
>Why the fuck do they put a region lock on marketing stuff? Are they nuts?

Yes, they are that incompetent.

>>85412323
(((They)))

>>85395205
Top looks derivative and too dark, the bottom looks like Ikea runs Starfleet.

Reminder: Braga is a writer on Orville

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Does anybody have those episode guides for Star Trek episodes? (Essential, Good, Bad, etc.)

Preferably for Voyager but I'd like all of them.

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>>85409273
They don't look great either but that's not the point. They just don't fit. If they'd wanted to update the look of that era even quite a bit it would have been fine, just like you don't have to make capeshit costumes identical to the comics. But it need to look like it could have been inspired by the same look. That's what they miss. This is just them saying fuck it, let's make our own new look because fuck you. It means they will likely have that same attitude toward everything else. Which is fine, if it's post TNG or pre Cage. Just not that one narrow window where it makes no sense to change to something unrelated.

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>>85414138
This is great except it's missing Tuvix which is the only VOY episode worth watching.

>>85410124
Trek's "eye candy" casting has always been hit and miss, some great and some meh, but this is eye burnt meatloaf.

>>85413734
>Reminder: Braga is a writer on Orville

I'd like to remind you that Braga also wrote some of best episodes of all Treks in 90's.

The problem with Braga and Berman was the fact that they worked on Trek for too long. They kinda saved Trek in early 90's.

>>85414138
bummer, I was hoping it went the whole way through

I only got enterprise after voyager

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>>85414447
Man I just finished the episode.

I'm ripped the fuck up man, I think they made the wrong choice. Doctor's statement really made it for me: "I will do no harm to an individual"

In that moment she knew it was harm.

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>>85413932
TNG

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>>85413932
TOS

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>>85414138
>>85414902
>>85415016
>>85415066


I got them from a link at the bottom of the Voyager page.

But your a bro, don't let anyone tell you different.

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>>85415182
hf