AYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WE WUZ SAMURAAAAAIZ AND SHIIEEET /tv/

actually loosely based on some reality though

the film is actually way better than I expected

I know this is probably bait, but you realise he's not portrayed in any way as culturally, nationally or ethnically Japanese, right? It's all about a foreigner learning about/appreciating a different culture and way of life.

>>85331409
Last Samurai is a shit film but wasn't it based on a true story?

There actually was a white samurai irl who had the ear of an emperor in Japan and was given a new japanese name signifying the end of his former life in europe.

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>Let me tell you something that might be a bit dangerous. I was raised in Japan. I was schooled in martial arts. I was given the title of master. They take a movie “The Last Samurai.” They have a 5-foot-2-inch little guy, whether he was straight or gay, I don’t know. I don’t care. He had never been to Japan. He doesn’t speak Japanese. He has never held a sword. They make him the Last Samurai. We got 450,000 phone calls [laughs] from everybody in the world saying, “That role was perfect for you. How did that happen?” Most of the people I know didn’t like the film and didn’t go see it. It’s just a classic example of Hollywood and the politics.

>>85331409
Joke's on you, OP. I hate that movie.

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>>85331472
>shit film
we see you roastie

try better bait next time
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign-born_samurai_in_Japan

why weren't Katsumoto and his group armed with guns as well? guns have been in Japan for hundreds of years prior. is it just American ignorance and the Japs just rolling with it for the money and to show off their culture and attract more weeabs?

>>85331516
Edward Zwick is a hack and all his films, including The Last Samurai, are drivel.

>>85331492
>has a pistol
>doesn't shoot him from afar
didn't they realize how stupid that is before filming?

>>85331516
Replace The Grey with The Edge

NOW

>>85331598
>expecting logic in a Seagal anon

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AYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
WE WUZ MACBETH AND SHIIEEET

>>85331575
They explain it in the movie. Pay attention next time.

>>85331560
>Yasuke, (variously rendered as 弥助 or 弥介, 彌助 or 彌介 in different sources.[1]) (b. c.1555–1590) was a samurai of black African origin who served under the Japanese hegemon and warlord Oda Nobunaga in 1581 and 1582.

we wuz all samurai an shieeet

>>85331645
what was the explanation? last I saw this movie was when it came out. haven't seen it since.

Watching TLS and Silk one after the other is a good way to enjoy both movies even more.

>>85331409
big difference between saying there were white samurai in japan (and portraying japan as homogeneously Japanese except for tom cruise) and saying that Egypt was a solely black nation

>>85331662
kek if the Jews found out about this they'd be making a movie about it starring Will Smith.

>>85331641
it would make sense if they were wearing european garments

>>85331667
The Samurai thought modernisation was going too fast and were all about muh old values and ways of doing things to counterbalance that.

Same with the armor. They didn't wear armors anymore at that point in time.

>>85331662
WHO WILL PLAY HIM IN HIS INEVITABLE BIOPIC!?!

>>85331716
apart from the fact that people now kick off at western adaptations of eastern literature/films

>>85331770
Idris ELBA

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>>85331516
Gattaca, although not the best, is probably my favourite movie of the science-fiction genre.

>>85331961
A little too on the nose.

How about Orlando Jones playing the character as a crazy fuck?

>>85331492
>“That role was perfect for you. How did that happen?”
Probably because they wanted someone that could act.

>>85331662
He surrendered in some warfare and they took pity on him cause they thought he was an animal. He's not as revered in japan as the white samurai

>>85331409
Let me tell you something that might be a bit dangerous. I was raised in Japan. I was schooled in martial arts. I was given the title of master. They take a movie ?The Last Samurai.? They have a 5-foot-2-inch little guy, whether he was straight or gay, I don?t know. I don?t care. He had never been to Japan. He doesn?t speak Japanese. He has never held a sword. They make him the Last Samurai. We got 450,000 phone calls [laughs]from everybody in the world saying, ?That role was perfect for you. How did that happen?? Most of the people I know didn?t like the film and didn?t go see it. It?s just a classic example of Hollywood and the politics.

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there was black and white samurai

deal with it

there was oda's bull and some guy who got ship wrecked

>meanwhile there actually was a black samurai

>>85331409
What is Afro Samurai?

>>85332205
>some guy who got ship wrecked
Iyeasu owns him though. He likes him so much that he was not allowed to go back to his country

cruise is not a samurai in the movie

>>85331409
because we actually went out side of our continent

>>85332016
What are you, 90? Who the fuck knows who Orlando Jones is anymore. Yasuke should obviously be played by Eric Andre.

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>>85332302
almost, but afro samurai doesn't take itself seriously

>>85332333
he may not be one officially storywise, but the marketing heavily implies it and he's wearing the armor

>>85332102
do weebs ever realize how pathetic they sound?

>>85331560
Samurai is a class you are born into. This entire article is bullshit and this is why you don't cite wikipedia

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>>85331409 (OP)
>>85331662
>>85332205

Both of them looks cool in vidya though

>>85331662
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasuke

I'd totally watch that

>>85332520
just because a title is hereditary doesn't mean new titles cannot be bestowed

>>85331492
This scene from this seagal movie explores the themes of honor (the man who decides to go in hand to hand combat while holding a gun), clash of cultures (guns vs the iconic Japanese katana) and redemption ( in the first seconds steven seagal is hiding but then stands up and fights)

>>85333332
...far better than director of Last samurai could ever imagine

>>85331472
>>85331585
>subhuman hipster trash thinks it gets to have an opinion
aw, cute.

>>85331740
the guns have been in use since before the Sengoku era though, which is 500+ years before the Last Samurai took place. it is literally part of a Samurai's arsenal.

Hollywood just didn't do their research right and thought guns were a more recent thing.

>>85331409
But there was a black samurai:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasuke
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Samurai

>>85331492
>450,000 phone calls

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>>85331662
>>85331713
>>85331770
http://deadline.com/2017/03/lionsgate-taps-highlander-creator-gregory-widen-to-script-film-on-first-black-samurai-1202049635/

>>85331641
Unironically the best adaption of Macbeth to date
I think even Shakespeare would´ve been proud of this

There is nothing wrong with fantasy. There is everything wrong with treating fantasy like it is literal truth. Changing a character race doesn't usually matter. Making a bid deal about it WITHIN the movie is terrible. Tacking on contrived themes to a movie is shit moviemaking. Peter Parker could be black, and it would be extremely compelling. The absence of his parents, his own lack of masculinity prior to powers, his romance with Mary Jane, his being loved and hated by the city would be very meaningful. It would be very powerful from a storytelling perspective that the villains would be trying to take off his mask. Making Luke Skywalker black doesn't mean anything. It is only a smart choice if the actor is the right actor for the role. There is nothing inherently wrong with making James Bond black, but Idris Elba is the wrong guy. Bond is supposed to be debonair. Craig is as gritty as bond should be. He has the air of a rugby or polo player, or a rower. Doris Elba, despite being a great actor almost always seems haggard. Take the gunslinger for example. That works. You've got a tired here who's crossed more line than he's like, seen more death than he can totally handle, and has only the thinnest resolve left to finish the fight, not because It's good, not for honor or duty, but simply because he's too proud to die and there's nothing else to do. No one is more racist than the left. Black people are like monkeys to them, who they dress up in cute little costumes and get them to dance, because omg isn't it so adorable and empowering? I mean if a black person can pretend to be this dumb character, then I guess I really can make it through this juice cleanse after all.

>>85333631
yea, but where da movie at doe?

>>85335515
There's also this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro_Samurai

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>>85331409

>its a "stupid cuck gets triggered by actual historical events as an excuse for shitty forced diversity in movies" thread

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jules_Brunet

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>>85331516

heres the updated version

Katsumoto did nothing wrong.

>>85331409
>the same thing

Want to know how I know that you are a nigger ?

>>85335979
i am not a nigger, i'm indian

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>>85331662
>fan wavers for samurai
WE WUZ SAMURAI

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>>85331641

I've always been curious on the whole Shakespeare and Japan thing. Was it just a Kurosawa thing or does Shakespeare actually resonate with the Japanese?

>>85331492
...but the last samurai was Ken Watanabe's character, not fucking Tom Cruise. What the fuck.

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>>85331492

Is that an actual quote from him?

>>85332584
ngl they do look really cool

>>85336334
Me too. My experience is that Shakespeare with proper local adaption can resonate through out the world. It has to do with English as the global language but the story does work here and there

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>>85331516
>90% garbage
what a surprise

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actually it's stealing. The guy Cruise plays was French : Jules Brunet.

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>>85336469
Nah it was plural all of them were the last samuraiS

>>85332520
>Samurai is a class you are born into.
No. This was only put into place after Hidyeoshi Toyotomi assumed control. There was a long period of time when samuraihood could be bestowed upon commoners

>>85331472
Yes, but a lot of the details were fudged to make the setting more exotic and to give Tom Cruise a more central role. For example, by the time of the Satsuma Rebellion, most "samurai" fought with rifles. A lot of the paintings produced of the battles that took place, with men running at each other with katana, are romantic and not necessarily all that accurate. It was a lot less of a cultural conflict than the film portrays, and a lot more political.

>>85336157
thiccc

>>85331662
>Moreover, Nobunaga praised Yasuke's strength, describing it as that of ten normal men. Nobunaga's nephew gave him a sum of money at this first meeting.
>gave him a sum of money at this first meeting.
>for being black
BLACK ARE WAIFUS BBC PLS