/who/ - Doctor Who General

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IM GAY

Thread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63CgHZKtmzw

Thread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnWOWVhFrLg

>>85290837
Crap, didn't mean to override yours, I concede that you posted the one true thread theme. It reminds me of spooky skeleton Master

>>85290792
I get a lot of individual stories from VK yeah

>>85290863
martha cute

He has no desire to enter your place of residence.

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this is your new showrunner

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>>85291083
Inside source tells me that Ood on the loo is gonna be a running gag in Series 11.

>>85291123
Look at the autism in that face

Her show only gets 20,000 views max

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>>85290838
Don't give up. This is now a Bowie thread. Post rare Bowies and talk about Doctor Who.

>>85290879
What will her first words be, who?

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>>85291235

>Tfw having to sit though a 2 hour tennis match just to see a 1 min clip

Never forget

>>85291264
https://youtu.be/ycqCXpgwIEs

>>85291264
Jason finds a mong faced Bowie pic.

Wew

>>85291264
Oh criminy!

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>>85291264
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMThz7eQ6K0
Which season 24 story is this?

>>85291290
>not enjoying tennis
alternatively
>not doing something else and checking in when the match is over

https://youtu.be/UtZTpOkjrQs Capaldi's love of Bowie

Seriously though, Jason.

Do you ever go outside apart from St Clare?

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>>85291290
>tfw you're a Murican so you just wake up Sunday morning to the announcement.

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>>85291290
>tfw people sat through a 2 hour tennis match just to get BTFO

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Ignore the Bowie-poster above. This is now a Sky Ray thread.

Wait wtf >>85291348
this actually mentions the Station to Station YouTube video we posted in the last thread, at 1:40, how cool's that

>>85291396
>6 seasons of Death in Paradise
>2 hours of tennis
jesus christ kek

No.

I didn't think so.

>>85291290
just remember that there are people who sat through 4 seasons of death in paradise in "preparation" for kris marshall

fuck offerino marshallcucks

>>85291396
https://my.mixtape.moe/curjgs.mp4

>>85290752
>making the thread a whole 34 posts too early
going for a record are we?

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>>85291396
Should I watch Death in Paradise? It seems comfy.

>>85291392
What the fuck is this guy's connection to the Nintendo DS?

>>85291345
>checking in when the match is over
I wanted to watch it LIVE

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>'Who doesn't love the Drashigs?'

Your "special club" is actually fucking tragic, lads.
Two of you telling lies to each other and wanking. All day, every day.

Wew

>>85291455
It was at like 306 when I posted it, must've been purged

>>85291479
Yeah that's what I meant, keep an eye on the score, see when it's getting close, and turn on BBC 1 when the match is about to be over

>>85291479
u also don't understand english

>>85291495
it was funny, but not anymore

>>85291516
Your Pedo club was never funny. As you'll find out.

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D R A S H I G S

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>Ann’s first trip into space then takes her to the Planet of the Drashigs, as Phil Mulryne throws the Doctor, Ann and K9 into a theme park where different species of Drashigs are about to run wld. Fenella Woolgar (The Unicorn and the Wasp) plays Vanessa Seaborne. ‘Who doesn’t love the Drashigs?’ says executive producer Nicholas Briggs.

>>85291495
and youre here pitching a whinge because you'll never be a part of it. we maybe pathetic but at least we're not alone unlike you you said mewling little child. look at you a year of doing this and 0 has changed your as impotent here as you are when rubbing your flaccid little micropenis

>>85291552
Then fuckin' call the cops, m8

Timestamp your call as well.

I feel like this sums up Briggs Finish quite well.

Imagine saying "Who doesn't love the Drashigs?" in complete sincerity.

>>85291083
Chibnall is actually a very diverse writer, compared to Moffat (curse his name)

It's that he likely fancies himself a fighter for women's suffrage everywhere what gets me worried about quality. And his talk about writers' room and 5 year plans.

>>85291629
So you both just openly admitted to being the pedo posters.

Oh dear

>>85291660
Being conscious of sexism and wanting a writers room are both great signs for his era. I'm so grateful we'll never know what a female Doctor under Moffat would've been like.

>>85291727
top kek faggot theres no admission of anything there you pathetic lunatic is your whole life desperately grasping for straws?

>>85291770
>a writers room are both great signs for his era
It's a terrible sign. Doctor Who is horribly inconsistent, and will not be unless it's completely rebooted. It can't work with continuity.

It's an anthology show that only works because of occassional stand-alone episode being good. It can not transition to something more coherent.

/who/ is fucking awful
at least the grzat trip war was comfy

What accent did David Tennant use for Doctor Who? What's that accent called?

>>85291942
British

>>85291942
Estuary English

>>85291942
Received pronunciation.

>>85291977
Thanks.

Was Sir John Hurt's background working-class, posh, something in-between, or something else?

>>85291942
French

>>85291997
It was Welsh

>>85291817
This. I hate when people talk about how made the best finale. They have never done a good finale and they shouldn't try. It just make the series tainted with that arc BS

>>85291942
kino

>>85291508
>It was at like 306 when I posted it,
You say that like it makes it much better.
You were still early.

>>85292009
more frencho-glaswegian methinks

>>85292120
Ah yes, very much more accurate. Pretty spot on in fact

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>>85291348
Only a little

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>>85292220
Are these the fabled diamond dogs?

>>85291942
His English accent isn't as good as he thinks so he ends up slipping into scottish, but he's generally trying to do standard southern accent

Was "the idiot box" the most hamfisted attempted social commentary episode ever

>>85292338
The idiots lantern? by Gatiss? Hamfisted? No!

best murray gold track?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS8f_-7yw1c

For those who want to cringe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVYik7wh1j8

>>85292436
Why are only those three there? Couldn't they at least rustle up McCoy and a few other has-been companions?

>>85292338
>>85292413
Cringe

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>>85292517
Well hey, at least I got you moving or moved you. Dance party?

>>85292588
Hi Jason

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>>85292644
Hey Anon!

>the only scottish actors to play the doctor have had to repress their scottish accent and anglowash their very identity on stage

And you english retards wonder why we vote SNP

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>>85292806
I blame King Edward. I've seen braveheart, a couple of times, not meaning to brag.

>>85292806
Really? Capaldi sounds the same in interviews as he does in the show.

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Of course. Who else?

>>85292436
why do americans say da-lek and not dahlek? also "dactor who" irritates me

>>85292914
As does Sylvester.
Not to mention Missy, and all the Scottish companions, and the fact that we currently have a Scottish showrunner
It's very clearly bait

>>85293080
That's called an accent anon

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>>85291264
I think Jodie might be good

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Moffchads report in.

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quick jodie greenscreen because i was bored

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>>85293148
fucking leaving /who/. can't deal with this shit right now.

>>85293246
>reminder that he claims to have known the new doctor for months before even Talalay

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Had to be me

>>85293293
Kept hinting it was Tom Rosenthal. Little shit just looking for attention. Whelan was right.

If you had to pick any politician to be the doctor, who would you choose?

>>85293318
should be jodie desu

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Scaroth reporting in.

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>>85293195
Reporting for duty.

>>85293392
god i wish he was holding his dick

>>85293336
Senator Armstrong from Metal Gear Rising

where the FUCK is immigrant

Anyone have the messages Orford sent to that girl? The creepy ones? He's joined a group I'm in on Facebook.

I stopped watching Doctor Who when I had my fill of Moffat's writing during Matt's era. NuWho trivializes past enemies into jokes, over importance on companions being plot devices, and too many asspull instead of the Doctor doing a smart solution. Is there ANY indication that the next series will be a return to form? Because I miss the days of 9th and 10th Doctor

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>>85293332
How much of that do you think was him, and how much do you think it was his parents?
>>85293429
Maybe it is, maybe he just smuggled that invisibility ring from the caretaker off set.
>>85293444
Dreaming of MEW, writing fan fiction, or not knowing anything about Sgt Peppers lonely Heart's Club Band surely.
>>85293495
They're on the #stopdswr hastag i think, or i think i've seen karpaldi? post them

>>85292414
DW isnt Disney


https://youtu.be/W1WcV21xRc8


.


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.
https://youtu.be/NBWv5GWODaE

>>85293591
>NuWho trivializes past enemies into jokes, over importance on companions being plot devices, and too many asspull instead of the Doctor doing a smart solution.
>But I miss the days of 9th and 10th Doctor

What?

>>85293648
What's this immigrnat sgt peppers thing

Cats is still crying like an angry little bitch because Adam B him TFO in public and cats ran away crying and deleted his account.

>>85293700
He once didn't know that a DW image was based off a beatles album. I'm just busting metaphorical balls.

>ywn see a live action mcgann / sheridan smith series

>>85293747
Your own imaginary balls

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"I'm okay with the doctor being a woman"

>RTD did a crossover with his massively over-sexed, violent and swearing sci-fi show with his CBBC show with his mainstream family show

How the fuck did he get away with this?

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>>85293836
Zing!

>Dr Poo will never be good again

https://youtu.be/R51-bzjfqn8

>>85293887
Well after making the BBC a BILLION POUNDS for reviving Who, RTD got to do whatever he fucking wants.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CYDgezeQas

>>85293887
Because Journey's End was shit and anybody that wasn't credited in the title screen barely did anything

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>>85293887
At least RTD kept The Doctor out of Torchwood.

>>85292436
>43:40
when are the hightlights?

>>85293214
>saves it as png anyway
Why not just leave it with transparant background?

>>85294081
I still don't understand the point of Class.

Edgy Sarah Jane Adventures?

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>>85294081
But he put two of them in the Sarah Jane adventures

>>85291464
>it's a white english cop saves the stupid caribean black cops from their imcompetence episode, again

>>85294186
Capitalizing on the YA craze

>>85294081
He made a cameo at the end of Season 1 and he appeared twice in SJA

>>85294309
YA craze was dead by the time Class aired.

>>85294341
I didn't say they did a good job of it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8Tkqln-l4s

>>85294208
>>85294336
I'm not complaining that he was in a spin-off. Just that he shouldn't be in a teen/adult spin-off.

>>85291609
I'm glad this has become a meme, as I think I was the first to express incredulity at it, and indeed, BF as a whole.

>>85294368
>>85294341
>>85294309
>>85294186
Fuck off
Class was pretty good

>>85294309
>>85294341
Not to mention that young adults were probably already fans of Doctor Who in the first place.

>>85294417
No it wasn't. Not even as YA fiction.

>>85291660
Every showrunner who ever made a 5 year plan got his show cancelled within a year, so I want him to keep talking. NuWho a shit.

>>85294417
Class was one of the most unoriginal shows I've ever seen.

>>85294417
I didn't say Class wasn't good. I said it was to capitalize on the YA craze, which it was
I haven't even seen it

>>85294417
If I wanted to watch sci-fi starring young people I would've just watched the Arrowverse

>>85294401
It's bloody hilarious. I can't believe he said it with a straight face.

>>85294476
Yeah, but Doctor Who fans watch nothing else, so they think it was groundbreaking.

>>85294500
I don't know who you're talking about, did anybody at all like Class?
I thought it was universally panned. Even by who fans

>>85294500
Doctor Who fans have most likely watch a shitload of YA shit by the time Class aired.

>>85294494
He's been in the bubble too long. I keep imagining what the air must smell like at BF HQ.

>>85294535
I liked it well enough for a shlocky teen spinoff. I'm unfamiliar with most YA FWIW.

Class is a terrible name

>the natural conclusion that all of RTD's companions came to was that they should destroy themselves in Journey's End

Was he telling us something? Was it tied to his homosexuality (which is naturally self-destructive)?

>>85294535
I said that because A: that guy liked it, B: when it was announced, you all wanted to give it the benefit of the doubt when it could clearly only be cynical shit, and C: for a while after it appeared you were still making out that it was defensible. I don't follow the progress of fan opinion, glad to know you all caught up with observable reality.

>>85294557
Why?

Doctor no more.

>>85294689
He was telling us that he's a micro-manager.

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>Class about to be released
>DWM has a Torchwood 10th anniversary cover with only a tiny Class photo in the corner

>>85294689
No and no

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>>85294744
lmao why did they do this

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>>85294814
IT'S REAL

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>>85294814
>Not even about the show itself
>Just about the Doctors cameo

>Martha was the only Tennant-era companion who didn't have universal importance

Was it because she was black?

>>85294870
Yes. Same for Bill in the Capaldi era.

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>>85294476
>Alien threats come through a rift in space-time and a group of five have to work together to protect the earth from them

What's unoriginal about this?

Just looked at the previous thread, saw this from Neo, in response to some saying "I hope you don't think Robert Holmes wasn't the best Who writer" (paraphrased)

>Why? It''s just another bloke online having a different opinion than you.

>I do appreciate you actually naming the names instead of just trotting out the Holmes meme (I love him but I don't like the thought-terminating "durr Holmes is unquestionably the best writer" line we hear so much).

This is the kind of writing that I wanted to see on here in the past and, with the exception of my own posts, never did. Good work. Sandifer's acceptance of the Holmes meme was the most disappointing of the many disappointing things about his project/life/physical appearance/annual income. And of course, nobody picked Neo up on this post, because they don't want to transcend the received opinions, particularly.

>>85294870
>despite Mickey BLACKing Rose, he ended up with Martha in his final scene, the only other black companion

Was RTD secretly Raimi-tier?

>>85294870
>>85294944
Oh shit, you went there!

One day we're all going to have to have a proper conversation about how Doctor Who IS Sanders of the fucking River. I expect Mad Larry wrote something about this in those massive books he co-wrote, but I have been putting off looking at them having slogged through Sandifer's opus.

>>85295046
He's a middle-class white gay man from the 80s, so yes.

Though that isn't fair, JN-T included a rapper in a 1988 episode. He wasn't very good, but most rap wasn't very good then either.

>>85295013
Cheers mate. Always happy to engage with actual discussions, it drives me crazy to see thought-terminating cliches like "Holmes was the best DW writer", "X was a great Doctor but had terrible scripts", "X companion mentioned Y too much" trotted out like they're objective fact, then never actually get decently backed up, contrary opinions just get jeered at for not being the norm. Nice thing with Moff's era is it's so divisive that actual discussion kind of gets forced anyway, since so many people disagree on things now.

I'm unashamed of any and all my Doctor Who opinions even though I'm sure plenty aren't the majority. I think Steven Moffat is the best writer the show ever had. I think nu-S9 is the best series. I think Toby Whithouse is one of the worst NewWho writers. I don't think the (audio) EDAs are that great. I liked Sleep No More. Etc etc.

As for Sandifer, yeah it's weird. Whenever I think I get his mind, he'll write something so out of sorts that I just don't get it.

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Heya /who/vians,
I've been listening to the 8th doctor audios (with Charley) on Spotify, and they've been very good. Paul McGann is GOAT.
Unfortunately, there's only seasons 1 and 2 available, and after that Big Finish gets really pricey. Can I get some recommendations for which ones to buy so that I don't waste my money?

>>85295351
Just use Audiobook Bay.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKlvCZ66ibg

>>85295351
There was a McGann sale this week.
Bad luck lad.
Where did you stop ? Zagreus ?

>>85295226

However iffy/repelled I feel by what the Moffat era developed into, I'm glad it's too high-profile for fans to simply dismiss or vilify its deliberate oddities, the way they did with the best of 80s Who. It has to be *evaluated*, at least, and there are always more than two sides.

>I'm unashamed of any and all my Doctor Who opinions even though I'm sure plenty aren't the majority.

Same here!

With Sandifer, I think the problem is a mixture of the way boredom sets in on long complete-ouevre blogging projects (as I've talked about before on here), the basic slenderness of some of his conceits, and the LARPing aspect - which potentially isn't a problem if you acknowledge it, the way Sandifer's hero Alan Moore does, but which Sandifer was/is too insecure to discuss.

Also, he has a postmodern "everything is text/propaganda" vulgar Derrida-ism in his attitude that was dated when he started - it makes sense that he was a provincial unemployed academic. Of course, part of this is that he doesn't understand British society except through its media, so he has to keep making out that nothing else needs to be considered, which leads to painful blind spots - his sulkiness about being pulled up for regarding the Yorkshire Ripper murders as simply a media meme because the guy had a media nickname was an nadir which will stay with me.

Last of all - the average tumblrist would know better than to use "entertainment just gets better with time" as an excuse for your own difficulties with old media.

>>85295576
*a nadir

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/doctor-who/news/a833718/sophie-aldred-ace-doctor-who-exit/

>Spin-off books, audio plays and comic books have all given their own variations on what might've happened to the character, but actress Aldred has her own theory... and it's pretty heartbreaking.

–– ADVERTISEMENT ––
Speaking to Digital Spy, she said: "How did Ace finally leave the Doctor? Maybe she never did. Maybe he had that heartbreaking thing of having to see his companion grow old and die.

"That could be what happened to Ace, because she never really had anywhere to go back to, or any particular relationships that she wanted to go back to.

"But I would like not to [find out what happened]. I think that it's really great to leave that as a mystery."


Ace was originally going to return to the Whoniverse in spin-off series The Sarah Jane Adventures, until the death of lead actress Elisabeth Sladen led to the show's cancellation.

"I didn't know [at the time] but Russell T Davies had a whole couple of scenes planned out," Aldred recalled. "This sports car was going to draw up in front of Sarah Jane's house, the door opens and this very smart, besuited woman would get out... and it'd be me, as I am now.

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>>85295403
Neverland, actually, because I read that Zagreus was a continuity mess and I'm a nuwho-only fucker

>>85295226
No one gives a flying fuck about your fake opinions, Jason.

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>intelligent discussion on 4chan

>>85295576
>With Sandifer, I think the problem is a mixture of the way boredom sets in on long complete-ouevre blogging projects
Ahh yes we've indeed talked about it before. You see it with a lot of critics (for films or whatever else) too. They naturally get bored with the glut of content they're addressing and start having to twist it to something that personally interests them, just to keep them engaged enough to keep on writing.

100% agree with your other points too (oh god, am I killing the conversation by blithely agreeing? I'm our own worst enemy)

Shut up Dan

>>85295226
I would love to know why you think Toby Whithouse is one of the worse new who writers
Looking at his list of episodes, I see only one I really hate

>>85294417
My main complaint is that the entire cast is composed of people who neither have skills to solve problems, nor die from them. Which causes plots to break down.

>>85295615
If you're going to continue with the 8th Doctor and Charlie, listening to Zagreus is required.

>>85295672
Are you enjoying this copypaste conversation with yourself?

Is this all you have?

>>85295615
Zagreus is a weird story. I found it's pretty interesting. People hate it because they thought it will be a big-ass cross-over with all the doctors and companions, but instead they got Ace as animatronic duck from the future.

>>85295351
>>85295615
Zagreus (only because it resolves the Neverland cliffhanger)
Scherzo
The Creed of the Kromon (only because it introduces a companion)
The Natural History of Fear
Skip The Twilight Kingdom
Maybe Faith Stealer
Maybe The Last
Caerdroia
The Next Life (only because it concludes an arc)
Terror Firma
Skip Scaredy Cat
Other Lives
Time Works
Maybe Something Inside
Memory Lane
Absolution (again, only because something important happens)
The Girl Who Never Was

It's a bit annoying because Zagreus, The Creed of the Kromon and The Next Life are easily the worst stories of that bunch and yet they're the most important for the arc.

>>85295658
you can

>intellignet discusionn on /who/

Consuming any Doctor Who media that isn't in the medium of television is pathetic. No exceptions.

>>85295794
I also found it very interesting. That didn't stop me from finding it awful as well though.
It's interestingly awful.

>>85295872
Not even the Jon Pertwee cookbook?

>>85295880
I don't think it's awful.

>>85295872
cuck

>>85295672
Oh yes, weekly critics, critics having to write about *something* every week (or two), suffer from this. Renata Adler wrote a great piece about this problem in relation to the overrated Pauline Kael. I'll link it here - you may have read it but maybe someone else on this thread won't have.

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1980/08/14/the-perils-of-pauline/

>>85295687
I like The God Complex. Good episode.
There are elements of The Vampires of Venice I like.
A Town Called Mercy, I consider it dull more than anything else.
The Lie of the Land, Under the Lake, Before the Flood, School Reunion, to me these are terrible episodes indicative of a writer who has no idea how to iterate or take meaningful direction from a showrunner. He remains obsessed with an edgelord Doctor that calls back to the excesses of the more juvenile "adult" stories of the wilderness era rather than RTD's own "Last of the Time Lords" angst, long before even that angsty figure is swept aside in Moffat's era. He always includes a tiresome "aren't you just as bad as the monsters, Doctor!?" scene as if he's the first to think of it, and it honestly became embarrassing to me when he kept at it in the Moffat era, which had well moved beyond RTD's reprisal of that for the revival. He reduces Sarah Jane to a sexual prop, casting aside all her characterisation to make a pat point about Rose. And so on. I just find him so dull and repetitive, and to my mind he never writes stories that meaningfully work in the context of whatever series they're in (amusingly, The God Complex works better than the mess of the S6 arc - I would have loved it as a lowkey alternate finale for the Ponds).

>>85295794
>>85295880
There's a lot of greatness to it, but as much mediocrity, and some legit awfulness.

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>people complaining because "boys will no longer have a role model"
>people praising 13 for being a role model for girls
>there are people who unironically think the Doctor is a role model
>there are people who unironically see the Doctor as a hero

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The only good Big Finish series coming through.

>>85295607

>Ace will never come back
>Peri will never come back to retcon her shitty departure
>Benny will never be shown on TV

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>>85295794
>>85295724
Can I just read a plot summary? Otherwise I'm going in not knowing 90% of the people in it, even if they are ducks(??)
Otherwise I'm going to have to attempt a rewatch of Classic to see if I can get into it.

I stopped watching after the Robin Hood episode. Is Matt Lucas really a companion?

>>85295937
It's a TV show for young children, 80% of the viewers of which are boys

Believe it or not but this show is not designed for obese 20 something americans

>>85295987
Yes and he's suprisingly GOAT

>>85295987
Yes and he's one of the all time best companions the stores has had

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>>85295872
You fool, the Cadet sweet cigarette cards are the true patrician Who

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>>85295812
oh darn didn't see this one. Thanks, dude. Sorry to hear about the bad ones.

WHAT WAS THE POINT IN THE PROGENITOR DALEKS

PLEASE SOMEONE TELL ME

>>85295999
>>85296005
Haha ok. I'll stick to muh audios thanks.

RED, Live 34 and Harvest are my favourites.

>>85295978
The characters don't play their characters from Classic Who. They play new characters. It'll work for you. First time I listened to it I was unfamiliar with a lot of Classic Who, and I understood it as well as anyone.

It's not like The Five Doctors - it's not classic characters reprising classic roles. It's classic actors playing new roles.

>>85295937
Well you know, this is entirely the fault of RTD and Moffat making the Doctor an identification figure. In the original show, he was an authority figure, like a surrogate teacher/uncle. It's only now he's meant to be identified with, which leads to awkward questions about who's doing the identifying and why that could have been avoided.

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>unable to comprehend the idea of a female Doctor, as in I draw a blank whenever I try to imagine her look or behavior
>realize that there already is a female counterpart of the Doctor
>feel slightly better

>>85296091
Colditz too

>>85296077
TO SELL TOYS

>>85296077
they intended for them to replace all the daleks but when it turned out people fucking hated them they went back on it

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>>85296066
>two scoops

>>85295794
>People hate it because they thought it will be a big-ass cross-over with all the doctors and companions, but instead they got Ace as animatronic duck from the future.
You speak of it as if it's an illogical thing.
People expected it to be a celebration of Doctor Who. Instead, it's a celebration of Doctor Who actors. In a way, that's even more up its own ass than a normal multi-Doctor story, because only the most diehard Doctor Who fan would care about that.

wait did series 6 even have the daleks in it

>>85295936
>He reduces Sarah Jane to a sexual prop, casting aside all her characterisation to make a pat point about Rose.

I agree about this, but I think it would be fairer to blame RTD, as I expect the angle originated with him.

>>85296165
I think they assumed that most BF listeners are essentially listening only for the actors - which seems fair.

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>>85296118
Was it really so hard for you to think of Mrs. Frizzle?

Wait, is disliking Toby Whithouse an unpopular opinion? Since Under the Lake / Before the Flood it seemed like he wasn't very well liked.

>>85296178
Yeah that's more than fair, especially considering an arc-heavy episode like that probably saw RTD write a damn lot of it too.

>>85296230
Lie of the Land has seen a lot turn on him but he was often pushed as the "best choice" for post-Moff showrunner

>>85295978
If you end up deciding to skip it, here's a summary:
http://www.drwhoguide.com/who_bf50.htm

Just posting this who meme ignore me if you want

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>>85295978
Doctor visits three different places where he learns about Rassilon's fuckery and how he locked up a species called Divergence into alternative universe. Lots of actors return to play different characters.

In the end, he is banished to the Divergent Universe.

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/New_Dalek_Paradigm

>The Doctor's investigations resulted in shock when he learned the Daleks were considered a force for good and he was placed on trial while trying to convince the citizens of Carthedia that they were evil, which the Daleks had declared a hate crime.

wew lad

>>85296230
I have no clue why it's being brought up right now, he's always been pretty disliked.

>>85296230
I thought he was fine before that.

whithouse's worst episode was greeks bearing gifts

>>85296316
pleb opinion

>>85296281
(((hmmmmmmmm)))

>>85296230
i thought people agreed he was shit after vampires of venice

>>85296316
I'd unironically like to hear Edge's opinion on it

>>85296316
I think it was OK. Though somewhat banal.

>>85296250
>he was often pushed as the "best choice" for post-Moff showrunner
but then, who was the alternative? There are few recurring writers and Gatiss and Chibnall are pretty shit too.

>>85296223
I can't say it's true for me. And probably not for most fans either, considering the reception it got.
I listen to Doctor Who because I like Doctor Who. If it happens to have original Doctor Who actors in it, that's all the better.
And Big Finish actually marketed the play as a multi Doctor story, so they only have themselves to blame.

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>>85296118
who's the lizard

>>85296316
>not liking space lesbians

>>85296415
Other names I'd heard floated were Howard Overman, Neil Cross, Peter Harness, Gareth Roberts, Phil Ford...basically anyone with some showrunning experience, that either had experience on the show or on other SF shows (like Overman).

>>85296165
I'm not saying it's illogical to want more of the same characters, just that something isn't necessary bad for failing to fulfil a very specific demand.

>>85296473
Tosh is for Owen

>>85296230
For me, it's the exact opposite of that. I didn't like him before S9, then he redeemed himself by writing the only two-parter of the series where I didn't absolutely loathe the conclusion.

>the Doctor was just pretending to be Davros' friend ALL ALONG

>the Osgood Boxes were a trick of the Doctor ALL ALONG

>the absolute clusterfuck that Hell Bent was

Before the Flood is fucking Shakespeare by comparison.

>>85296426
Well, it reflects their indifference to the writing on their audios. Maybe you've been giving them more respect than they deserve. Personally, I would never listen to a Big Finish production, I associate them with stalkerishness and pseudo-necrophilia.

>>85296666
>The Doctor being a ghost was a ruse ALL ALONG
Come on, man. How is it not worse?

I don't like either of those, but Osgood boxes at least made thematical sense, even if I dislike the theme.

I don't really watch this show, can someone explain why everyone hates some character named Rose?

>>85296846
Nasty character who is always mean to /ourguy/ Mickey.

>>85296846
She was a bitch unduly loved by writers.

>>85296564
Well, that's the main reason for disliking it.
Then there's also other stuff, like it being a bloated, three-hours long Alice in Wonderland parody full of bad retcons.
The "multi-doctor" bait is only the most irritating bit.

>>85296668
I give them the respect they deserve. I don't respect them for Zagreus. However, I do for the many excellent plays they released in the same year.

>>85296846
She was brought back about five times too many.

>we will never get another northern doctor thats allowed to go full northern

>>85297079

I hope they don’t make Jodie reign it in too much, if at all.

>>85291942
Mockney

>>85296794
>I don't like either of those, but Osgood boxes at least made thematical sense, even if I dislike the theme.
See, I think the Osgood boxes are more offensive because the episode actually starts off with the idea of exploring an interesting theme. Then it resolves that theme with a terrible gimmick solution that doesn't even make much sense.
Under the Lake/Before the Flood never pretends to be anything but a simple adventure story. It's a matter of expectations. The first episode doesn't set terribly high expectations, so the second didn't feel such a huge letdown to me. And the resolution is also forced, yes, but at least it makes sense.
In the land of the blind (series 9), the one-eyed man (the unambitious two-parter that would be below average in most other series) is king.

>>85297079
>yfw all the planets' norths were erased from time

>>85295961
ok nick

>>85297079
We probably will, this seems likely to be Whitaker's gimmick, as she seems to have mainly done depressed checkout-girl parts up until now, and people who do that aren't big on "range".

>>85296118
Is that Iris?

>>85296846
She was an incredibly annoying character who brought out the worst in the Doctor. She was only the companion for Series 1 and 2 but lingered around, infecting the entire RTD era.
>10s entire attitude towards Martha was "why aren't you Rose"
>Donnas series was interrupted by the fact that Rose was returning and had brief scenes in 3 episodes that series and full on appearances in 3 more
She also got a perfect fairytale ending despite being a massive bitch the whole time, and she cried about it

I don't really watch this show, can someone explain why everyone hates some character named Clara?

>>85297186
>It's the best one because it never tried to be a good episode
welp

i'll take the two-parter that subverts the logic of having two-parters at all over the unambitious two-parter that would be below average in most other series

but fuck all two-parters anyway

>>85297440
she was unbearably smug

>>85297440
The same reasons why they hate Rose.

fuck the flood and zygon episodes of series 9 desu
utter trash

>>85297534
It's not that it never tries to be a good episode, it's that it never pretends to have more interesting things to say than it has in reality.

Zygon is a fine two-parter, dunno what you guys are talking about. Flood is trash tho

>>85297596
The entire series 9 and 10 were trash almost entirely.

>>85297868
>Zygon is a fine two-parter
hi peter

>>85297967
It's not a masterpiece or anything, but it's perfectly acceptable.

>>85298055
it's shit peter

>>85297868
The Series 9 Zygon two-parter is the most I've ever struggled to watch Doctor Who. So boring and 50% filler scenes that have nothing affecting the plot.

>>85298114
It's not even the worst episode in series 9, come on son.

>>85297868
>be soldier tasked with tracking down shapeshiting aliens
>see relative in the middle of nowhere along with relatives of all other soldiers in group
>'huh, nothing unusual here. let's go and give them a hug.'
>get killed

How did anyone let this get filmed?

>>85298154
"its not as bad as sleep no more" is hardly praise anon. they're still trash episodes.

>>85298183
That is the single worst scene in all of Series 9 to me, potentially of all oh NuWho. Incredibly stupid characters, an attempt to be emotional, an attempt to be a commentary, and just plain garbage all round. Fuck Peter Harness, I hope he never gets his grubby hands near Doctor Who again.

>>85298247
It's bad, but L&M is infinitely worse.

>>85298266
Love and Monsters at least had me laughing, the Zygon two parter just had me genuinely upset that this was in Doctor Who.

>>85298154
>>85298266
>come on guys it's not as bad as [insert terrible episode here]!
great argument peter

>>85298154
It is by far for me.

>>85298247
I'm honestly amazed he's still getting invited back, hopefully Chibbers tells him to fuck off and never return.

>>85298310
I think you got those reactions backwards, anon.

Do you guys hate the Zygon two parter because of the dialogue/characters or because it's left-wing?

>>85298266
L&M is one episode of a 13 episode series. Zygon is two episodes of a 12 episode series. The casualties are greater for Zygon.

>>85297309

Jodie has a big range. Her characters in Broadchurch and Adult Life Skills are polar opposites for a start.

>>85298403
I don't care about the politics. It has bad characters, dumb decisions, cringey dialogue and is ridiculously bleak for a family sci-fi show.

>>85298437
>Jodie is a bad actor for the Doctor because in Broadchurch she comes across as being like a grieving mother

Gee, Marshallfags, it's almost as if she was playing one!

>>85298403
I'm still thinking of "left-wing" as sort of "Hang the opressors, break the chains, seize means of production". Zygon two-parter was so offensively complacent middle-class bourgeois on the other hand.

>>85298403
The former. I actually agree with Harness's stance, but I absolutely loathe the way he pushes it in the episode, and just how god awful the episode is even if you just look at it surface level. Harness cannot help but make every character in his episodes either a walking unbiased agenda that isn't explored, only presented, or a complete bundle of stupid decisions to get the plot rolling. He's a terrible writer.

>>85298403
I hate it because of shit like >>85298183
I can live with the writers politics being forced down my throat if the rest of the episode is actually good e.g. Oxygen.

Haven't really been here since S10 ended - has Edge Lord fuck offerino'd at last?

>>85298478
>ridiculously bleak for a family sci-fi show
I felt series 9 had this issue throughout, but it was definitely at its worst in the zygon episodes.

>>85298523
I mean, fair enough, it's just since the Jodie announcement that I've assumed most of /who/ thinks anyone left of Hitler is a communist

>>85298603
I haven't seen it since the Jodie announcement.

>>85298603
If only

>>85298403
No, I'm left-wing, but the neoliberal and implicitly anti-democratic "the masses are bigots who must remain deceived" line is dating baaadly already. I mean, if you wanted a reason why Brexit and Trump happened, that attitude is a big part of it.

"What I did, I did without choice, in the name of peace and sanity" does not jive up with "Great men are forged in fire, it is the privilege of lesser men to light the flame" at all. Does not sound like the same character. First is arrogant shirking of responsibility, second is self-deprecating self-loathing. Man I dislike WarDoc's characterisation in the 50th. I guess you could say the WarDoc in Name was just a mental projection though, to excuse inconsistent characterisation. But I don't buy it

>>85298437
Never watched either properly but I assume this is a joke.

>>85298494
British realist drama is the worst, it's so misery-sodden that the only way to enjoy it is to be sadistic about the characters. Which I'm convinced is how they're written.

>>85299006
For the watch

>>85299006
>what i did, i did because it made me happy

>>85299319
We all know The Doctor secretly loved massacring his own people.

>>85299405
I mean, considering how much he hated them, I wouldn't put it past him.

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>>85295996
>It's a TV show for young children, 80% of the viewers of which are boys
Yeah no.
It's a show for old fucks.

>>85298859
The War Doctor was a huge disappointment, he got pushed as someone so despicable that the Doctor refused to ever mention him then it turned out that he's just a nice old guy and not really that different to any other Doctor. I haven't listened to any of the BFA's with him but I've heard he's pretty much the same in them too.

>>85299488
>Heaven Sent
>30% AB

That truly was patrician Doctor Who, plebs need to leave.

>>85299553
What's AB mean? Non-britbong here

>>85299615
Upper class people.

>>85299493
The clever thing about him was Moffat's use of him to comment on the current run's betrayal of the values of the original series. The stupid thing about him was that he existed at all.

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>tfw reminded TDF was top watched show of the night, and nobody watches BBC1 early Saturday evening anymore now that Doctor Who isn't on.

>>85299672
That didn't really work for me because, like, he scoffs at NewWho Doctors for kissing and being romantic...but he's post-8, who already did that

>>85298403
I hate it because of being too left wing, which is a shame because otherwise it could have been a good episode.

>>85299815
Well, who's to say he wouldn't have scoffed at 8 too?

>>85299812
Who's going to bother watching Doctor Who now that Nardole is gone?

>>85299812
Saturday night TV is dead. Doctor Who should be moved to a weekday for Series 11.

>>85299815
Well this is it, within the text it doesn't work, but as "spokesman for the show we're pretending to celebrate", it works. It doesn't make sense, and it would have been more interesting coming from a less prestigious actor, but it wasn't bad. Prototype mk1 Capaldi/spirit of Hartnell is not "my unimaginably dark and evil past" material, though.

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>>85299925

NEW THREAD

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>>85286728
>>85286728
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>>85286728

NEW THREAD

>>85299988
>>85300021
BRAVO
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>>85299988
>makes new thread at 306 replies
See this is why you don't make the new thread early.
Now there are three /who/ threads up

>>85290829
lol, you're gay

>>85290837

By far the spookiest thing about this is the silky smooth framerate.