>wait a minute, why didn't they just ride the eagles

>>85280197
>they could have at least flown them over the mountains in fellowship
Fuck lotrfags, you're all hypocrites all you /lit/ memers too

The ring broke boromir like a twig. Eagles would've just flown them to mordor and landed them all in the middle of an orc army.

Why didn't Galadriel just riverdance to mt doom with the ring?

>>85280197

Why didn't the allies just fly into Berlin and kick Hitler in the balls?

because its fiction. did you want a detailed explanation oneverything that goes on in middle earth down to the tax policy?

>>85280363
In the movies the eagles fuck up the nazguls, and there are only nine nazguls anyway. Not an argument.

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>>85280197
because "Ha haaa! Let's land this thing! It's fucking walk o'clock!"

They would be killed by arrows and other flying creatures like the nazgul asap

>>85280197
This is a bait thread, like every other one you've made so far but for the sake of it I'll explain it again.

The Eagles are only in Middle Earth to act as the Wardens of the Elves, especially Elrond and Galadriel, on behalf of the Valar (Gods, essentially). They're not responsible for the fate of Middle Earth nor even the fate of the Elves. Their only task is to keep a check on them, without interfering too much, if at all.

Then why did they come to Gandalf's aid on those 2-3 occasions, you ask? Because the Eagle King owes the Grey Wizard a debt that cannot easily be repaid.

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>>85282350
eagles can clearly fly much higher than where even legolas on steroids could hit them
and the eagles pushed the fell beasts' shit in when it came down to it

both points invalid

>>85280363
the eagles fucking tore through them like they were nothing though

>>85282443
>Because the Eagle King owes the Grey Wizard a debt that cannot easily be repaid

and of course that warrants playing taxi service when gandalf or a bunch of dwarves need a lift to steal some gold back, but not when the fate of the entire world depends on it

>>85280197
I know this is a troll, but there are seriously people who have this line on thinking....

Because, as all good movies/books/etc., it's about the journey the characters take, it's about the changes they go through mentally, emotionally and physically. The ring is nothing more than a tool for the characters development.

That's why the stories don't matter as much, everyone goes through the same shit in their lives, the same shit happens to everyone; dealing with family and childhood, getting together and breaking up, cheating and being cheated on, finishing school, working, selfishness, jealousy, ego, having children, not having children, getting a job, losing a job having someone close die, etc.
The same shit, with some variances, happens to everyone, experiences and stories are not special, fascinating or interesting, it's how someone deals with them and how it changes them which is.

>>85282443
The Eagle king owes the Grey Wizard a debt that cannot easily be repaid

so why can't gandalf just ask them for help to taxi the ring then you fuck

and whyd they come help at the end?

>>85282443
>a debt that cannot easily be repaid
Giving him a lift to Mount Doom sounds like a good way to get started then.

>>85282474
I always thought they lost their evil mojo power or whatever when Sauron was destroyed

>>85282443
>the owe gandalf big time

>but are too proud to give him and his pals a lift closer to Mt. Doom

???

>>85282327
kek'd

>>85282480
>>85282514
>>85282517
>>85282537
Notice that they only appear to save Gandalf or save someone on Gandalf's behalf.
>Saving Thorin, Gandalf, Bilbo + Company from the Warg riders
>Saving Gandalf from Saruman's captivity
>Saving Gandalf + everyone else at the Battle of the Black Gate
>Saving Frodo + Sam from the fires of Mount Doom

It's not about pride or any rules/codes etc. It's just not their responsibility to save Middle Earth or even help saving Middle Earth. Their King was only repaying the debt he owed to Gandalf.

That's it.

>>85282571
So why can't they give him and his friends a taxi to Mt. Doom on Gandalf's behalf?

>>85280197
Literally because the author, J.R.R Tolkien didn't want them to.
As to a reason in the books, the Silmarillion makes it clear when "jesus" tells them to not meddle in the affairs of mortals.

>>85282571
How about saving Gandalf and the entire world by flying them to the fucking mountain?

>>85282571
THEN HAVE GANDALF ASK THEM TO TAKE THEM TO MORDOR IF THAT'S ALL IT TAKES

>>85282592
>>85282602
>>85282609
>It's just not their responsibility to save Middle Earth

>>85282618
>but it is their responsibility to save Gandalf and his pals apparently

and doing this would save Gandalf and his pals

>>85282618
>but it's their responsibility to save gandalf's fuccbois whenever they end up in shit
Oh fuck off you fucking twat.

>>85282628
They only come to save Gandalf when he's in dire need of it. They won't fly him and the Fellowship to Mount Doom because that's not their responsibility.

Well Gandalf told them "Fly, you fools"

boney parking

>>85280403
Because they had the element of surprise. As soon as Sauron saw them (and he would), it would be all over. The only reason Frodo and Sam got as far as they did because Sauron didn't know they were coming.

>>85282640
how the fuck is this not a dire need

he wouldn't be in any dire need of assistance if they just gave him a quick trip to Mt. Doom

>>85282450
They still need to land or lower to leave Frodo or anybody else, retard

>>85282640
>imminent destruction of middle earth isn't dire

>>85282678
>It's just not their responsibility to save Middle Earth

>>85280197
The Eagles are a metaphor for Americans in WW1 : they arrive late and steal all the credit

the eagles can't survive temperatures above ~80 degrees Fahrenheit.

even the air above mt doom is too hot for them and they would die.

>>85282640
>tolkiencuck is a broken record
>>85282628
>>85282636

>>85282675
no they cen deploy that little moth to carry the ring down totally undetected

>>85282685
but gandalf and his pals are on middle earth

if they have to save gandalf and friends then they have to save middle earth

They needed to go on the journey because in the end the most worthy candidate to drop the ring in is whoever can carry it all the way there and remain a sane person by the end of it. If you just drop whoever you think is the most qualified person off at the mountain, and they fail, you've just taxid the ring over to evil for nothing and fucked everything up. The journey is the proving ground. The Fellowship of the Ring was made up of various races for a reason. It turns out a little innocent Hobbit actually worked, but it couldn't just be a random Hobbit, Frodo wasn't prepared to do it at the start of the journey, it was only after he went through the journey that he was ready.

>>85280293
So many replies in this thread and they all ignore this post.

>>85282704
Then the moth gets corrupted and it's all worth shit, retard

Have you faggots ever consider the fact that maybe the Eagles would have been up for it, BUT GANDALF NEVER FUCKING ASKED THEM!?

Kill yourselves, autists.

>>85282685
Are you just slow? Or do you actually think the destruction of middle earth would have no impact on Gandalf's health whatsoever?

the real answer is because it would have been a boring book, or more boring

>>85282707
>it was only after he went through the journey that he was ready.
He wasn't though.

>>85282707
he didn't even do it though

he turned at the end and it was only by sheer luck from gollum that he ended up dropping it in

Why didn't Gandalf asked the eagles to fly them to mt Doom?

>>85282717
Moth's have no moral or ethical capabilities. Ergo, it cannot be corrupted.

>>85282654
>>85282701
>>85282706
>>85282726
This will be my last reply because either you're retarded or you're trolling me.

Saving Gandalf from immediate danger =/= Saving Middle Earth.

>>85282723
why didn't gandalf ask them then

>>85282742
because he wasn't in imminent danger

>>85282738
>luck
I thought Eru pushed him.

>>85282707
>the most worthy candidate to drop the ring in is whoever can carry it all the way there and remain a sane person by the end of it.
Yeah, that wasn't Frodo then.

>>85282761
You're a fucking retard.

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>>85280197
Because Sauron would have seen them coming and locked the place down
Among other reasons

>>85282780
He wasn't in imminent danger at the end of the movie, either.

>>85282771
HOW DOES SAVING MIDDLE EARTH NOT EQUATE TO SAVING GANDALF

ANSWER THIS YOU FUCK. IF MIDDLE EARTH BLOWS UP IS GANDALF NOT HURT?

>>85282780
He was though.

>>85282771
Destruction of the Middle Earth is immediate danger.

>>85282796
his friends were

his friends weren't in imminent danger when asked to go to mount doom, he can only use the eagles when he or ring bearer was in danger

>>85282794
why didn't sauron always have the place on lock down

>>85282793
>thinks moth's have morals
>calls other people retarded
They are biological machines, bud.

psst.

Sauron winning doesn't mean the end of Middle earth.

Get rekt.

>>85282824
The fellowship was in imminent danger for virtually the entire trilogy. What are you even talking about?

>>85282826
You're not even funny and you're trying too hard at this point.

>>85282825
Because Tolkien can't write for shit. Remember when random nobodies stole that gem shit or whatever from Morgoth in Silmarillion? Lmao

Or when Sauron got beaten by a dog. A talking dog.

>>85282827
surely it means the end of gandalf though

or at least the end of gandalf's friends, which the eagles also seem responsible for

>>85282854
oh why were most of them alive by the end of it then

>>85282789
He was battered to hell but not really corrupted by evil to the core, someone truly corrupted would have been delighted to leave with it. Frodo held on until the end and didn't even make it back out of the mountain before he lost the ring and it got dropped. Compare his composure to the last person who refused to drop it in.

>>85282867
>Or when Sauron got beaten by a dog. A talking dog.

what

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>Why can't Eagles just fly into enemy territory which is garrisoned by powerful military units and magic that can fuck up the eagles

>>85282885
He got corrupted and he literally tried to run away lmao what are you doing?

The eagles only rescued gandalf off orthanc because radaghast asked them too

>>85282860
It's not a joke. It's pointing out how retarded the notion that literally anything is utterly corrupted the moment it comes into contact with the Ring. You may as well be arguing that Bilbo's pocket was corrupted to evil as well.

>>85282902
if they couldn't drop them off directly at mt. doom they could've at least dropped them off much closer, saving them a large portion of the trip

>>85282877
Because they survived the danger. Is it that you don't understand what the words "danger" and "imminent" mean? Is that what you're having trouble with?

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>>85282898
He was a big dog.

>>85282931
Any living being can be corrupted if it comes in contact with the ring,

This is my last you btw, not wasting my time with a retard like you anymore.

>>85282825
Arrogance
The fact that a hobbit, of all things, managed to carry the ring all that way while evading detection, death and corruption would be absurd to one as arrogant as Sauron

why didn't they just leave the ring with tom bombadil?

>>85283010
he didn't know a hobbit was carrying it did he? it could've been anyone.

why not just keep it guarded?

>>85283001
>Any living being can be corrupted

oh no then middle earth will have to cower in fear before a dark lord MorMoth :O

>>85283029
Because he would get corrupted. No amount of reddit memes and retarded pastas could save him.

>>85283001
It can't be corrupted because it has no thought process. It has no capacity for morals. It's an insect that is magically directed, but of itself has nothing to corrupt. The fuck are you even talking about?

>>85283036
>it could've been anyone
Except anyone else would have been corrupted and refused to destroy it

>why not just keep it guarded?
It's surrounded by an army
in the middle of his lands
full of spies

>>85280197
play the lord of the rings the war in the north up until the first rivendell part and ask gandalf about it

he has some good quips

>>85283070
If magic can control it so can the ring.

>>85282704
I doubt the moth would be strong enough to carry the ring.

>>85283069
He's not corrupted by the ring though. As far as we know, the only incorruptible being in middle earth.

>>85283119
it's been established that the ring's size adapts to the wearer

>>85283098
That's retarded. The ring corrupts. Magic, in general, can do and affect virtually anything. A magic that forces something to behave or move in a certain way is entirely different from a magic that corrupts a moral being and turns them to evil.

>>85283150
Good call. Just wrap that sucker around his little moth leg.

>>85280197
Maybe they did not want to be tempted by the One Ring's power?

>>85283167
>DUDE IT'S ENTIRELY DIFFERENT
lmao, PhD in magic over here

>>85283167
It corrupts the spirit. Moths don't have spirits.

>>85283174
>wind blows it away
Good fucking luck finding it.

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Sauron is fucked

>>85280293

>Landed them all in the middle of an orc army

why even land there just drop the ring down fly back, done, problem solved tolkien is a hack.

>>85283197
It's trivial that different magic does different things. There's nothing esoteric about this. It's practically a tautology.

>>85283200
So my point stands.

>>85280197
Lotr would be short if everyone in middle earth working together to fight the first movies
eagle spam
>tom bombadil
gondor and rohan working together
elves not chicken out
mass tree army

>>85280197
LOTR is just a flick for brainlets.

>>85280197
The Eagles are a metaphor for Americans in WW1 : they arrive late and steal all the credit

>>85280197
>>wait a minute, why didn't they just ride the eagles to mordor?

Because the giant 500 foot tower with the flaming all seeing eye would see them coming a mile away. All of the forces of Mordor would instantly converge on the location of the ring, this includes all of the flying Ring Wraiths.

People who still ask this question are clearly morons.

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>>85283150
>tfw no cute little mothbro with cute rings on his legs

the actual question is why didn't sauron guard the entrance to the volcano caldera, just put an orc there in case someone tries some sneaky shit

>>85285090
Because he thought Aragorn had the ring and he was at the Black Gate, where Sauron could see him.

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>eagles casually fly gandalf bilbo and the team just because
>eagles can't fly frodo so he can accomplish the most crucial task there's been in middle earth for millienia

>>85284996
Kek

>>85285126
yeah so he can't spare one orc to guard the entrance of the one thing that can destroy his precious ring

tolkien is a hack

The eagles are proud and haughty, the ring would have seduced them easily.

>>85285156
He couldn't fathom the idea that someone would actively want to destroy the ring. He was sure Aragorn would have it and would try to use it in combat.

>>85282798
Not him but no, Middle Earth "blowing up" would not kill Gandalf. He would just be sent back to Valinor and have to explain why he and the other Istari failed their mission.

>>85280293
The Eagles would be corrupted and take the Ring for themselves - Frodo and crew become an in-flight snack before they they nuke Sauron. Then comes 10,000 years of darkness as every other race has to hide underground to escape the aerial terror on the surface world above. Everyone become dorf.

While I appreciate the proud memeing heritage of this thread, the reason is simple enough.

Sauron would've seen that shit coming. The only reason he didn't notice Frodo and Sam in Mordor is because the heir of Elendil appeared at the head of a powerful host, with Gandalf the fucking Maiar at his side, and all that remained of Numenor's strength, which he once feared so greatly.
If the eagles just carried Frodo to Mordor, Sauron would've prepared a ton of defenses and had Mount Doom locked the fuck up tighter than a drum. His arrogance was his undoing, but even that wouldn't be enough if he wasn't incredibly distracted by Aragorn and Gandalf.

>>85280197
because eagles are not a fucking airplane. christ.

>>85285024
>All of the forces of Mordor would instantly converge on the location of the ring
and yet couldn't do shit about it

>this includes all of the flying Ring Wraiths
who were BTFO by the eagles

>>85285483
>because eagles are not a fucking airplane

except when the plot needs them to be

>>85285532
>and yet couldn't do shit about it
Only an idiot would say this.

>>85285584
they can't harm the eagles way up there and they wouldn't even detect the moth taking the ring to the lava

>>85280363

Combined with the ever-watchful eye of Sauron mind-raping anything it looks at, set atop a gigantic tower with full view for all around it.

>>85285954
>it's impossible to fly the ring to mordor because uhm sauron may LOOK AT YOU yeah

jesus apologists are pathetic

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>>85280197
>Fly you fools.

>>85285532
>>this includes all of the flying Ring Wraiths
>who were BTFO by the eagles
They were in a panic after their master was destroyed, you fucking retard.

>>85286860
and yet there is no evidence the would have performed significantly worse under different circumstances
simple fact, it's the only time we've seen eagles vs. nazguöl, eagles won, ergo it's retarded to say eagles can't fly to mordor because nazgul

>>85280197
And the what? Did you miss that it's literally impossible to destroy the ring by its own free will?

>>85280197
Because that would have been a boring movie.

holy shit the length of this thread, why are you even replying to these memeing autists, it's incredible.

>>85280197
The eagles just wouldn't do it. The one that saves Gandalf wont even take him to the Shire, it drops him in Edoras so he can get a horse and go there himself,

Plain and simple? Tolkien was shit at writing
Good worldbuilding though

Why didn't they just try to talk things out with Sauron?

>>85287347
Yeah, no, just about everything indicates that they would have fought considerably better if their only tether to the living world hadn't just been destroyed

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mordor had an airforce

>>85287554
but not necessarily to such an extreme degree that the outcome would have been the EXACT OPPOSITE

>>85280197
eagles are easy targets for bats+nazgruls, they're actually dying out because literally everyone in Mordor takes a shot at them like a redneck taking a shot at a drone.

>>85287582
yes, actually, quite possibly to the exact opposite.

and of course, you don't even know the exact opposite of what, because you're a moviefag with no idea what he's talking about.

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Because Manwe is fucking retarded.

It took Morgoth killing pretty much everyone in Beleriand, destroying and/or enslaving pretty much every major kingdom and driving what was left of the Elves and Men on the continent to the sea for them to decide they should maybe intervene. And even then, it was only after Earendil sailed to Valinor on a fucking flying ship and begged them for help. Though given that that ended with Beleriand catastrophically sinking beneath the sea, that hesitance to intervene may be somewhat warranted.

The eagles are really only on Middle Earth in the first place to act as Manwe's eyes and ears. They're not there to intervene, that's what the Istari are there for, though some good that did.

>>85280197
>>85280241
>>85280293
The eagles can't be contacted reliably and don't answer often at any rate. Furthermore, Sauron himself commanded the miasma of Mordor, which kept all flying things out. The Nazgul mounts were contingencies if anything.
>>85280330
She cared less than the eagles and did not trust her power against a trapped Sauron.
>>85282519
Aimless shadows, trapped inside their own quasi existence
>>85287543
He himself tried it, but was on a quest for dominion of Middle Earth to overcome his angelic existential crisis.

>>85287649
They do intervene though
And Melkor is literally the gods fault in the first place, Tolkien just couldn't write

>>85287531
How does a contrivance mean he's shit at writing?

You morons act like the Eagles were passenger jets, and all Frodo and co. had to do was purchase a ticket at Rivendell and board their all-express flight to Mount Doom. The Eagles are sentient beings, and servants of Manwe. They don't answer to anyone in Middle-Earth.

Moreover, how the fuck would the Fellowship have asked the eagles for help in the first place? They live on top of a fucking mountain, the only way to get to their eyrie is flying.

this is the extent to which the Nazgul "fought" the Eagles:

>Straight down upon the Nazgûl [the Eagles] bore, stooping suddenly out of the high airs....
>But the Nazgûl turned and fled, and vanished into Mordor's shadows, hearing a sudden terrible call out of the Dark Tower; and even at that moment all the hosts of Mordor trembled....

>>85287747
You realize that every time they intervene, it's just to save Gandalf, right?
>And Melkor is literally the gods fault in the first place
Which is a recurring theme. Saruman was sent to Middle-Earth by the Valar, and he winds up joining forces with Morgoth. Which is exactly why they're hesitant to intervene at all.
>Tolkien just couldn't write
You just can't read.

>>85287889
So theres never any sort of record of them fighting at all. Who knows what would happen then

>>85287889
b-but there was an epic cgi fight scene in muh hackson movies and the eagles owned them

>>85288027
>with Morgoth
Or Sauron even.

Why was Sauron so retarded? Just get the orcs to build a big-ass lid on the volcano so you can't access the lava.

>>85285317
/thread

>>85287615
>quite possibly to the exact opposite

oh "quite possibly" but you don't know that for sure? thanks for clearing that up friendo

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>>85287347
>>85285532
>unironically referencing scenes that only occur in Hackson's movies to further your argument

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Because God doesn't solve your problems for you, but will act as your shepard and shield you from destruction if you follow his heart in your pursuits.

At the end of RotK when they had put in 100% of their faith and will into the mission to defeat Sauron but it looked like they were going to lose anyway, God stepped in. He expects you to do everything on your own but if the "natural" state would be for you to fail even if you legit gave 100% of everything you had, he will make a path for you to succeed. Most of the ending of RotK is pulled almost directly from the Bible. The Battle at the Black Gate is a retelling of the story of Gideon btw.

1 Corinthians 10:13
>There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

1 John 4:4
>Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

1 John 5:4
>For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

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>>85288623
People are going to poop on you in an effort to be edgy internet atheists, but this is probably the most insightful post in this thread. Thank you.

>>85288623
>i have a PhD in the policies of invisible wizards in the sky

>>85282827
this, childhood is thinking the fellowship were the good guys. Adulthood is realizing that saron was right

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>>85288912
Thank you anon. For a long time I had trouble figuring out why The Lord of the Rings is one of the greatest selling books of all time. As a lot of people point out, Tolkien is not a "great writer" by the average Normie standard who thinks A Song of Ice and Fire is top notch writing, but is instead fairly straightforward in it's prose and presentation.

Why I think LOTR is so popular then is because Tolkien "got" mythology and was capable of pulling out the very, very powerful themes from ancient stories. As I'm pretty good at this myself and having read both LOTR and (have been working my way through) the Bible, I'm realizing that the LOTR is in largepart Christian stories and mythos repackaged in a cool pagan setting, which is what gives it such tremendous power and appeal.

I mean even if you just take it at a secular level the story of Genesis through Revelation is arguably the greatest piece of literature ever made, and Tolkien (whether consciously or not) just took that and condensed it down into a cool fantasy novel.

>>85288623
>god is real!
>b-but don't actually expect any proof b-baka
There is no god.
Christianity and the rest of your culture is going extinct in the next 100 years.

Have fun roleplaying you fat anime degenerate.

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>>85290112
Lol

Atheism is the fastest shrinking religion in the world. You people don't breed, with atheism being almost guaranteed genetic death as you people live a life of mindless hedonism and die surrounded by pets and useless materialist garbage.

Demographically Christianity is doing fine. Western birthrates overall are low because retard atheists don't have children and once all of them die of the Amish, Mormons and fundamentalist Baptists are going to be having 5 kids each and ensure the future belongs to us.

I hope you live a long, loooonnnng life just so you can be ruled over by a bunch of puritanical Christians. Hope you're not gay! :^)

>>85290408
>people with the IQ of chimpanzees breed like rabbits, so belief in magical sky wizards is at an all time high

sounds about right

>>85290408
lmao, Muslims will overrun you, you fucking moron.

Mordor had AA guns, duh.

>>85283029
he would have lost it

>>85286414
Well, there it is, this satisfies my autism about this movie. I no longer think the eagles were a plot-hole.

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>>85290596
Mennonites and Amish have higher birthrates than Muslims in the west, and their birthrates aren't dependent on the existence of the (financially insolvent) welfare states they leach off of.

Enjoy seeing sodomite marriage repealed and pot re-criminalized faggot.

>>85291176
Never ever cuck. Your retarded ilk allowed this to happen in the first place because you simps can't even read your own book.

If you're a burger you're a lost cause already. Bunch of Marxism infected mongrels.

>lotr autism thread goes /pol/

hmm

>>85280197
They didn't care enough to take that big of a personal risk. Same as everyone else.

/thread

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>>85291349
We're going to replace you faggot retards demographically and there's nothing you can do about it.

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>>85291786
You won't be doing anything, role-player.