/who/ - Doctor Who General

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Doctor Whore

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2nd for foon!

Doctor Who is dead.

He has no desire to enter your place of residence.

>>85218318

The finale of Broadchurch got over 11 million viewers, The Doctor Falls got just 5 million (it sounds bad when you put it that way, but Doctor Who has never not been in the top 30 most watched shows each week since 2005) So while ratings aren't great they could be worse.

After the finale of the first series, it made the front page of quite a few papers, reminded me of all the hype of Bad Wolf at the time.

>>85218658
no, chester is dead

What's your favorite Marigold track?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yivWcrsx-s0

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>>85218493
Jodie needs the hat.

>always in the top 30
>only the BBC
>25 of those shows are cheap worthless crap

woo

>>85218667
Should i watch season 2 and 3?

>>85218699
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ8Ur2_ODsY

>>85218699
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhXdjUNq-Qs

>>85218731
>it still gets fewer viewers than Pointless

>>85218735
yes
but beware they make the at least slightly optimistic ending of series 1 a lot less so

Why is Peter Howell so based?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxqvKyW2UQc

>>85218735
yes

50,000 likes and 35,500 dislikes on the 13th Doctor reveal vid. Ghostbusters all over again. Really dumb time to cast a female, when the show is pretty much panned. If it doesn't work expect cancellation.

>>85218667
>but Doctor Who has never not been in the top 30 most watched shows each week since 2005
source?

>>85218810
it'll work

>>85218810
it will still be the same show people don't watch
stupid move chasing away 30% of your fanbase

>>85218667
>Doctor Who has never not been in the top 30 most watched shows each week since 2005
How is this show even alive then?

>>85218810
it might work

>>85218863
Did you read that right? It says it's never NOT been in the top 30 most watched.

>>85218615
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRnsmWr1crE

>>85218840
everyone I know thinks it's fucking stupid and half of them are women

>>85218871
Hope it does.

>>85218810
>implying that most of those people are actually watching the show
It's all virtue signalers and "muh esjaydubyas".

>>85218810

The reveal got over 16 million views. Social media postings have been 80% positive, a Yougov poll said only 14% of people were against it, sure, not all of them will be regular viewers but the complaints are very much the minority, most people will tune in for the first episode anyway, they just need to make a good first impression, either way the show's going to be fine.

>>85218667
>Doctor Who has never not been in the top 30 most watched shows each week since 2005
The Day of the Doctor was literally the most watched drama programme of 2013, the most watched programme not only of the week, but the month. And that's only in terms of TV viewings, in cinemas it placed third in the box office for that week, only behind the Hunger Games and Gravity.

>>85218895
probably they are stupid? who nose

Here's a bit of a fallacy I found in Death in Heaven;

Missy is dangerous, and UNIT knew she had devices on her, yet only Osgood took one of them off her - she's seen with a bracelet that can control the Cybermen.

So if they were a credible organisation wouldn't it have made sense to strip her whilst she was knocked out to ensure she couldn't escape? She's a valuable prisoner, you don't want to leave her dangerous.

We could've got a rear nude scene from Michelle Gomez - they can do it with Matt Smith, so why not her? Shame, really.

That being said, I hope we get a similar scene with the 13th Doctor ;)

>>85218840
I don't care that the Doctor's female now - in fact, I'm looking forward to it. It will be different and fresh. My main concerns are for the general public. The show has its worst viewing figures ever at the moment. People don't watch it.

They should've done the female thing after they got the casuals back into it. 13 should've been a male, Tennant type, then make 14 a female.

S11 ep1 will get loads of viewers, then it will stagnate

>>85218892
25 of those shows get about 1 mil viewers
the statistic is worthless

Jeers
Jon Prick

>>85218893
Best version

>>85218895
>everyone I know
That's nice

>>85218699
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zzxx1WkITXg

>>85218615
What's with Russel and the characters whose personality traits are that they're disgustingly fat?

>>85218783
I think I need to refresh my memory of season 1
In the end, olivia colemans husband just confesses right? what happens afterwards?

>>85218968
Just because you have no friends doesn't mean other people don't.

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>>85218976
Foon was honest, chaste and loyal and pure. She wasn't just fat. Fug you!

>>85218981
>>85219034
what the hell guys

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>>85218493
>mfw no Second Doctor/Gangs of New York crossover

11's theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwvyRnyzGo4

or 12's theme?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfmmRHh6O5o

>>85219034
>they work out it's him
I don't really remember this, my vague memory is just lots of door knocking and red herrings from various other characters
oh well, on to season 2

>>85219075
Easily 11's theme. It's not even a competition.

>>85219075
12's is a little shit, let's be honest.

>>85218667

They won't do it but because it was on ITV but if they had a series 11 trailer saying "from the writer of Broadchurch" most of the general public will be more interested.

>>85218560
You know this is going to stick right? People still calls fem-Thor Whor

>>85219075
11's theme is a bit better composition

12's theme is used better in the show

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>>85218493
The original catchphrase, you might say!

>>85219078
David Tennant's character finds that the only other person that Danny has sent messages to was Olivia Colmans' husband. That's when he works it out, but he only understands the full story when Joe confesses.

What's her costume gonna be?

I'm hoping for dungarees

fem Thor had breast cancer

lowest sales in history

>>85219075
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCHfVZIAZ6s
This is literally GOAT

>>85219075
Have to agree with everyone. 12's was just shit.

>>85219164

>>85218713

>>85219145
Thanks lad

I'm a citizen of the Universe and a gentleman to boot!

>>85218953

They really need to up the marketing, wasn't there a rumour saying Chibnall wanted to handle the budget more efficiently? I don't think they'll mess this up, they can't afford to.

>>85219184
god I wish murray could write music like this still

Smith. Doctor John Smith.

No second chances. That's the kind of man I am.

>>85219262
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrRQapIdaMU

>>85219239
Capaldi is a great Doctor, but he wasn't marketable. This is what worries me about Jodie. She's a great actress, and I'm sure she'll be great, but what 9 year old boy is gonna want to buy an action figure of a woman?

The problem with DW now is that the people who make it don't know who their audience is

>>85219309
>proceeds to give everyone second chances in every episode

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"Bill, I'm already a demon."

>>85219267
It's Joan Smith now. Like Joan Redfern.

Pottery.

>>85219329
>that's the kind of MAN he is

>>85219316
Breaking the Wall really isn't that grand, and it's not a recent track, it's reused from the 50th in 2013 anyway.
[02:15] https://youtu.be/HhXdjUNq-Qs?t=2m15s

>>85219267
>Who are you?"
>"Smith. Jo- uh... Jane Smith"

>>85219357
It's shit now.

>>85219347
Didn't want a Doctor Who / MGSV cross over until now, thanks.

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What's /who/ with you? I've just about finished the Valeyard's Saga as it should be experienced.

Trial of a Time Lord, Trial of the Valeyard, Sixie's Last Adventure 1-3, He Jests at Scars as an interlude, then finally Brink of Death. And I guess there's that novel with Seven if I could find it and I was assed about novels.

>>85219184
I love it to death, but I think it's funny how it's just the same melody and he just adds a new instrument or two every 10 seconds
Press L at the end of every bar, it skips the video ahead by 10 seconds.

Honestly how do you feel about the female Doc? Worried? Excited? I'm both.

>>85219419

The patriots are fobwatched timelords.

>>85219375
Is that a special joke for all the little girls who are suddenly going to watch this?

>>85219375
>Smith, John Smith
>companion makes a face
>Jane, I meant Jane Smith

>>85218315
if she doesn't wear a dress I'm not watching

I used to go by John Smith when I was a man for 14 billion years.

My wife was a piece of shit.

>>85219452
Snake has to infiltrate Dalek space ships and creepy Cybermen Hospitals.

>>85219557
>my wife:
>the inevitable big finish (or several thousand fanfics) about 13 meeting River

>>85219419
>13 talks to 12 before he regenerates
>"I cheated death thanks to you. And thanks to you, I've left my mark. You have too - you've written your own history. You're your own man. I'm the Doctor, and you are too... No. He's the two of us. Together. Where we are today? We built it. This story - this "legend", it's ours. We can change the world - and with it, the future. I am you, and you are me. Carry that with you wherever you go. Thank you, my friend. From here on out, you're the Doctor."

Most liked episodes of each era according to AI
Eccleston: The Parting of the Ways (89), Bad Wolf (86), The Doctor Dances (85), Dalek (84), The Empty Child (84), Father's Day (83)
Tennant: Journey's End (91), The Stolen Earth (91), The End of Time Part Two (89), Doomsday (89), Forest of the Dead (89), Silence in the Library (89)
Smith: Asylum of the Daleks (89), The Big Bang (89), The Day of the Doctor (88), The Impossible Astronaut (88), The Angels Take Manhattan (88), The Pandorica Opens (88), A Good Man Goes to War (88), The Name of the Doctor (88)
Capaldi: Dark Water (85), Mummy on the Orient Express (85), Flatline (85), World Enough and Time (85)

Most disliked episodes
Eccleston: The End of the World (76), Rose (76), The Unquiet Dead (80), World War Three (81), The Long Game (81), Aliens of London (82), Boom Town (82)
Tennant: Love & Monsters (76), Fear Her (83), Tooth and Claw (83), The Girl in the Fireplace (84), The Idiot's Lantern (84), The Runaway Bride (84), The Christmas Invasion (84)
Smith: The Time of the Doctor (83), A Christmas Carol (83), Nightmare in Silver (84), Cold War (84), The Rings of Akhaten (84), Amy's Choice (84), Victory of the Daleks (84), The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe (84)
Capaldi: Sleep No More (78), Heaven Sent (80), The Eaters of Light (81), The Woman Who Lived (80)

What does this tell us about people's tastes?

>>85219585
>Capaldi has the lowest "highest" AIs
kek

I once accidentally married Marilyn Monroe but I've got a minge now.

>>85219421
>not including Millennial Shock
>not including Time's Champion

This list is incomplete. We have pdf rips of both. There's no excuse.

>>85219585
>The Woman Who Lived (80)
Should be 81

>>85219585
>Heaven Sent (80)
Good I hated it

>>85219585
>What does this tell us about people's tastes?
That they're wildly inconsistent, and that some of the worst episodes have extremely high AIs, and some of the best have extremely low AIs, while other times it's the reverse and the scores are accurate.
Basically, AIs are bullshit.

>>85219585
>The Girl in the Fireplace
>most disliked
AI still needs improved clearly

Fortunately, Top Gear was a massive success when they sacked the people who created and wrote it.

Yo, I need more Shit Trips 2 entries. I don't even have a Tenth or Eleventh Doctor story yet.

>>85219585
>the most disliked episodes of smith's and tennant's eras would be among the most liked of capaldi's eras
POTTERY

>>85219582
Should 12 talking to 13 but other than that, fuuuuuuuuuck that'd be cool as shit.

Bill to the Doctor, in The Doctor Falls
>Doctor, why are still here? Just to suffer? Every night... I feel my legs... My arms... My fingers... The limbs I've lost... The friends I've lost... won’t stop hurting… It’s like they’re all still there. You feel it, too, don’t you?”

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>>85219585
>Smith: Asylum of the Daleks (89)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41F2-9XLf4Q

>>85219794
>tfw their singer just committed sudoku

>>85219585
All this tells me is that there's too big a margin of error for a ~5 point difference to meaningfully tell me that people seriously preferred one set of episodes over the other, desu,

>>85219706
How is this relevant?

>>85219585
>"Listen" not in the most liked
REEEEEEEEEEEE

>>85219889
listen was poo

AI is rated on a 1-5 scale

3 is average
4 is Good
5 is Excellent

Most people will pick 4

4/5 80%, AI 80

The balance of 3s and 5s gives the final score

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>>85218699
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7HZQ5TmWm4

>>85219737
TFW Quiets theme matched The Doctor Falls speech perfectly, the swells in the music perfectly match the emotions in the scene, even the timing.

What episode sums up each Doctor. Which one's showcase their actors talent and tells you everything you need to know about this version. Obviously Capaldi's is Heaven Sent but what about the others?

>>85219731
edgy

>>85219889
82. Only just managed not to be one of the most disliked.

>>85219862
>there's too big a margin of error
If that was true, you'd see AIs vary wildly inside a series. Instead, it's mostly consistent for each series.
It means that the criteria it is based on allow to make a precise measurement.
Whether or not those are the criteria you want to measure is another matter.

>>85219373
The Majestic Tale from series 6 wasn't new either, it was first heard in series 5, just expanded on.

>>85219419
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kZ8d5jOqyA

>>85219942
the AI system is worthless and on top of that many Who fans will give every ep 5 anyway so the result is biased

>>85220007
Matt's really lucky in that his first episode nailed his character. 10's character was shite in The Christmas Invasion, and Deep Breath wasn't as bad but still doesn't match what Capaldi's Doctor ended up being in S9 and S10, nor does it show his potential.

>>85219585
Series 9 is the only one not to have an episode rated 85 or more.
S9 fags BTFO once again.

>>85218699
thats a big question
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7gMA94BjYw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAeu7_jRySA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEcij0ARkmU

What's this story about some guy from here doxxing people because he thinks they're behind the bot?

>>85220199
What bot?

>>85220057
>>
noice

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has /who/ played any doctor who games?
i've played (after an extremely fucked up region lock bypass) the adventure games, i really liked it.

planning to play the wii game soonish as well.
the eternity clock wasn't that good, but worth the playthrough.
really hope that we get a new game soon. from a bigger studio

>>85220056
>it was first heard in series 5
No it wasn't.
I Am The Doctor has similar instrumentation and that's from Series 5, and while The Mad Man With a Box shares its name with The Majestic Tale, the two tunes are nothing alike. The Majestic Tale was made for Series 6. The only bit that carries over from Series 5 is a teensy bit of The Sun's Gone Wibbly in the latter half.

Heaven Sent really hits you if you've experienced loss.
Truly Whokino.

>>85220306
The Adventure Games were great.

>>85220310
You hear it in Amy's Choice when the Doctor and Amy "kill" themselves by ramming a van into a house

>>85220226
He just gave himself out. Kek

Who is not really suited to games

>>85218699
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS_0aUKiwl8

>>85220306
yknow that web episode you could play with the grask where you point out the person in the family thats the grask spy and all that? I enjoyed that

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>>85220427
if they actually get a big and talented studio to do it, it might just work

http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/science-technology/532691/BBC-Doctor-Who-Xbox-One-PS4-games

>next year
>still hasn't happened

>>85220464
it will never happen on those platforms if they change the lead every three years and no one is watching the show internationally

>>85220495
yup games take that long to develop at a minimum and they cost millions too

We're all agreed that this scene is absolute kino, right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI_RB2URZPY

>>85218944
>Unit
>Competent

Pick one.

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>>85218699
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VVVSHFaBXI

>>85220495
>>85220543

What about a game where you play a time lord during one of the Time War battles?
13 different faces, multiple endings, if you die, you get a regen scene based on how you died, where, and who you were with?

>>85220464
>they just meant lego dimensions

>>85220549
That episode was the greatest set up to a kino finale we never got

>>85220641
great until he suddenly grows titties for no reason


it would take years to develop

>>85219131
Murray wrote more memorable music before 12's era but it felt intrusive/ill-fitting and often drowned out the dialogue.
His music now isn't so memorable but I feel like it fits the atmosphere of certain scenes better. Hell, the Doctor's speech in TDF when he's begging the Master and Missy to help him doesn't have any music at all, who'd have ever thought that would be a thing?

>>85220427
Always thought it'd be neat if you could customise your own Doctor, and it's basically a quest game. Maybe an open-worldish 'Find all the parts of the key to time' type of thing with missions.

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>>85218699
Too many to choose one so here's a bunch from the different eras:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWsNkW3mOdw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9Hcbp1V5EM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADvOfvTi040
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Waq6ZW7Eb4E
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr2XQkxsfNg
www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFWqgI1e44A
www.youtube.com/watch?v=dc2l7ah5HKE
www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YONPpWj31s
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Akb2hyw1aNg
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl9wXOq5Wr8
www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tY-H7lTg8E
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Wvo-bYuruM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6j8ZOJPoho
www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlpsyMpL8ZY
www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0e4dbvBS9c
www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8Bz5Srw28c (one of my favs)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn2w5QhhVq0
www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwJ-wYg76b8
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zx6dnwGbVIU
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCHfVZIAZ6s (fuck you it's good)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=gykVZGKUUN4
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZxstVuut-8
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vm8A-NYkQGQ
www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVk_dJVaobE
www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJqnGpkaqrM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y3jwi4KytQ
www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIKuxWsLoDE
www.youtube.com/watch?v=sy3Z5JHQ-yo
www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9ZrvzlB1mU
www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj9sTjZS6uk
www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzpnHR0_gGs
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByQeu6-mEBU
www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rLHOc5J8-Q

REEEEEEEEEEE S9 OST NEVER

>>85220948
yeah but this has the same problem as the RPGs

unless you get Bob Holmes to write all the scenarios you end up with shit versions of old stories or stories not good enough for dw

>>85220199
it's just some schizo. you know as much as we do as to why

>>85221024
>stories not good enough for dw
except for Moffat Fanfic Who

>>85221065
But why does Cloister post that pedo filth? He should stop doing it.

>>85221014
This list would be perfect except for the fact that you skipped doomsday, all the strange strange creatures, the series 4 specials soundtrack & never tell me the rules

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>>85220306
>tfw Steam took out Eternity Clock from the store during the summer sale

Bill loved her Mother. What great writing.

>>85221145
bored kiddo?

peak murray was series 5-7

>>85221014
holy shit

https://youtu.be/b3sHn2tDXA4

Never forget 12. Let us share our love for Capaldi's Doctor.

>>85221014
they'll release a series 9/10 soundtrack that only has a smattering of tracks just like series 1/2

>>85221171
Clara also loved her dead mum. Great writing indeed.

>>85221261
Amy loved her non-existent mum

>>85221279
Yes then she did exist and Amy wasn't fucked talking to her or anything.

Great writing.

>>85220427
Telltale games would be great.

>>85221153
Yeah I've barely listened to the S2 OST but you're right on a few missing. This isn't a complete list though I like many more. These are just some off the top of my head. I'd have to rehear them all though.

>>85221245
What can I say? I'm a OST nerd

>>85221249
We can only hope it's soon, they can skip everything as long as the whole of Heaven Sent's music is there.

>>85221316
No it wouldn't. Telltale are fucking shit.

>>85221330
I have all the OSTs too, I love soundtracks, good taste

>>85221316
I'd play them

>>85221316
But you do love Minecraft cats so you would say that

>>85221350
you'd still play it

>>85221316
Who are they?

>>85221249
The BBC hates approving any kind of merchandise for Capaldi so we can only hope he gets just a single disc soundtrack release for series 9 and 10.

>>85221387
I really wouldn't.

So is it canon that the doctor actually "dies" in regeneration, and a "new man" takes on his body?
I've heard people saying that it's a one time thing that RTD wrote that's pretty much ignored everywhere else
TBQH i like it, it adds more emotional weight to each regeneration and it's what made ten's regeneration feel like an actual character death

>>85221136
So was Bill's mother the daughter of Clara and Danny? She looks exactly like her in an afro.

>>85221440
>it's what made ten's regeneration feel like an actual character death
regeneration isn't supposed to feel like character death, though. I interpret it as 10 just being a mopey melodramatic asshole that doesn't want to accept that he can't continue to exist in his current body.

>>85221014
Damn was Martha delicious

It's a shame he turned her down

>>85221440
It's the same person, same memories of all previous regenerations. Just different personality.
RTD milked it too much, I think.

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RTD's Doctor
>Jesus Action Hero allegory or a grumpy man with PTSD
>"I'm so sorry"
>uses catchphrases
>always fucks up companions personal life
>can't live without his companions
>always staring into the distance with a sad face
>always announcing that he's a time lord or some shit about being the last of the time lords
>always give second chances even though they never fucking work


Moffat's Doctor
>wacky young man or if Colin baker didn't get fucked over by the BBC
>always has a sub-plot about dying
>has a weird obsession over pointless shit
>usually the superior NuWho doctor
>always announcing who he is and that you should google him

>>85221440
There was an episode in Classic Who where Romana regenerated about four or five times in 10 minutes just for shits and gigs.

>>85221479
>regeneration isn't supposed to feel like character death
according to who? It's always been written as such, and makes perfect sense that that persons consciousness does in fact die since all the brain cells should be remade

>>85221549
>It's always been written as such
uh no it hasn't. "i dun wanna go" is the only instance like this, and it was fucking trash

Anyone have a list of how many years each regeneration of the Doctor lived?

>>85221586
I believe four lived the shortest while 9 lived the longest/

>>85221573
watch any regeneration scene, they're always weak and dying on the floor with people crying around them
Tennant's was great, he had been his version of the doctor for maybe 6 years, why the fuck would he want to die again so soon knowing he has only one life after it? Plus he was alone with no friends around him

That time they met Danny Pink's descendant but Danny got killed a few eps later.

great writing


But he came back as A Cyberman!
Then he got killed again.
Then he lived in cyberspace.
But he committed suicide.
Died three times in one story.

great writing

>>85221440
regeneration is a metaphor for the show itself. just as the show constantly changes hands, with new producers, writers, directors, actors, and showrunners taking over every few years, the character of the doctor regenerates, and while the basic qualities of that character remain the same, elements of him change. just like how the show stays the same, and yet changes every so often.
treating those changes like "death" is insulting to everyone that works on the show, since the show is about taking your turn, making the best of it, and passing it on. it's about constantly accepting and embracing change, and to try and get some cheap emotional grab by turning a tradition into 'killing' a character is shit writing and betrays the show's legacy.

>>85221639
"10 only lived in that body for a few years" is a dumb meme, he could've been fucking around for 200 years between Waters of Mars and End of Time.

>>85218810
who cares what 12-year-old edgelord sargon viewers think

>>85221690
This guy gets it. Couldn't have worded it better myself.

>>85221014
>The Long Song
absolutely my favorite song in DW

Remember that time the Doctor died a billion times punching a diamond wall so he didn't have to reveal what the hybrid was?

But he didn't even KNOW and then it meant nothing!

great writing

>>85221740
>how many years each regeneration of the Doctor lived
Except 11 said he was 907 in the 11th hour which is consistent enough with Tennant's age in voyage of the damned

>>85221440
There is a persistence of consciousness from one moment to the next. It isn't comparable to the mortal concept of "death", and to suggest it is defeats the whole concept. Change isn't death, it only feels like death if you are extremely invested in things staying as they are.

>>85221860
The Doctor lies about his age all the time or rounds it up

>>85221440
8: "Dead too long this time."

>>85221837
>implying he didn't know
No-one ever said that. The end note of that scene was basically "He has more secrets he's decidedly not telling us."

>>85221939
In fact, wasn't it 4 who would say he was 900 years old?

>>85221860

War Doctor: How old are you now?

Eleventh Doctor: Uh, I dunno. I lose track. 1200 and something, I think, unless I'm lying. I can't remember if I'm lying about my age, that's how old I am.

>>85221945
Bullshit and you know it

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Where can a non-britbong download the Adventure Games? I've never played them.

the 7th Doctor was older than 900

RTD is a lazy dickhead

>>85222012
"Sorry, no more confessions" implies he's got more he could confess but won't

>>85221982
>>85221989
7 was "953" in Time and the Rani, the same age apparently as the Rani (although how he'd know or keep track is another question) and it's the Rani's keycode password so I think we have to take him at his word there.

So I reckon 9 started rounding down to 900.

Or, War started counting from 0, aged 900 years during the War, and then changed into Eccleston

>>85221989
great writing

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>10 blew up the TARDIS
>11 blew up a Dalek Fleet
How big will 12's regeneration be?

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>>85222056
When in doubt, "it got rewritten in the Time War"

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>>85222036
there are 5eps of them i think
friendly warning. they are extremely difficult to get working if you are a non-britbong

think i torrented them

>>85222114
they used to be, but they aren't really anymore
there are cracked torrents that you just install and go

>>85222060
Confess to what

>>85222104
Moffat will reveal that the real reason the First Doctor regenerated is because Twelve's was so powerful it transcended time and smacked One over the head or something

Kris Marshall isn't the 13th Doctor.

Screencap this.

>>85222104
12th will blow a whole planet

>>85222104
wasn't 11's regeneration only that huge because it was a whole new cycle?

>>85222178
>chumbley still posts here despite being absolutely discredited and BTFO

>>85221943
There are a few, like with what happened with seven, where the actual physical body died, and the regeneration happened after.

>>85222199
It was only that huge because Moffat realized he'd written himself into a corner by having the Doctor be surrounded by a Dalek fleet

>>85221440
Regeneration is not a specifically described process and can be interpreted differently by writers.RTD's interpretation is about as "canon" as Bidmead's Watcher: it's valid in the specific circumstances that regeneration happened and for the specific Doctor it happened to.

>>85221690
You're being far too melodramatic about it.

>>85222178
Hello cats

>>85222269
>about as "canon" as Bidmead's Watcher
already established in Planet of the Spiders

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>>85222225

>>85222222
>we missed the Troughton Sexes

>>85219327
Reduce her character to a fashion doll?

>>85222269
At least its pretty much decided that regenerations will always have that yellow energy shooting out of them from now on

a lot of young boys will not watch it now

the idea that a lot of young girls will like it all of a sudden is fucking stupid

>>85219327
I had a rose action figure

>>85222524
Did you stick that in your ass too?

>>85222523
yeah if they dont like it why would they now? it's the same show

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is the xmas special teaser/trailer exclusive to SDCC attendees just like the 50th anniversary trailer was?

if it is, when will those fucks learn?

>>85221627
People are always saying 10 lived the shortest (hence why he was slightly miffed about regenerating).
I haven't watched much Classic Who but did 4 really live the shortest? For the man who held the lead role for the longest time that's quite ironic.

>>85222523
As long as they keep having lots of spaceships and grotesque monsters, and don't give it an overtly "girly" look, it should be fine.

>>85222620
the 9th doctor lived under a year

>>85222602

This is why a lot of young boys will still tune in.

>>85222652
>>85222677

I think you'll be shocked at how many boys won't fall for that.

>>85222523
How is one of those ideas any more or less credible than the other?

>>85222653
That's why I'm confused about >>85221627
he said
>I believe four lived the shortest while 9 lived the longest

If anything, 9 lived the shortest, if we assume that Rose happened shortly after War Doctor regenerated into 9.
Did 4 really live the shortest?

>>85222754
Why don't you fuck off cloister

>>85221627
Have you watched Seasons 12-18? Like, check out 4 in Robot compared to Logopolis. Look how many companions he had, and stories. 4 is probably one of the longest living Doctors in-universe.

>>85222762
He was lying.

>>85222696
"Fall for" what? Do you think boys inherently dislike sci-fi if it's got women in?

the 1st Doctor lived 650 years before his tv adventures and he was also aged by the Time Destructor.

He is the oldest until Moff just added a thousand years on for kicks

>>85222841
He told you to fuck off pedo

>>85222875
this

>>85222809
Not him, but I'm still interested in this whole "4 lived the shortest" thing.
I mean, he had the most seasons I believe. But that doesn't really say anything because some Doctors age hundreds of years in just one episode, like 11's final episode.
So did 4 ever get trapped somewhere for decades? Ever mention any off-screen adventures? Or are we supposed to believe that all the serials he's in is ALL he's done in his life?

I mean, life length of each Doctor is debatable but I doubt 4 had the shortest life out of all of them? Surely 9 or 10?

>>85222913
>He
No one finds your schtick interesting anymore, Mongo.

>>85222523
Not memeing, but a friend of mine has an eight year old sibling (a girl) who don't want to watch it anymore because the Doctor is supposed to be a man.
Children are maybe less flexible on these things than a lot of people seem to think.
Thankfully, no children are watching Doctor who anymore.

>>85223017
4 only lived 42 months before he died when he was killed by Omega

>>85223017
It's probably fair to say 4 aged some years between Shada/Nimon and Leisure Hive. (He's with Romana, another Time Lord, so he could've aged hundreds of years and they'd look no different.) Tom tends to always have a companion, but there's nothing to say he couldn't have had some off-screen adventures between stories.

>>85223047
this is correct
but also no one watches it any more period

wait till Star Trek Discovery comes out and it's reboot which erases Kirk and Spock and replaces them with two black women

I don't really give a shit about what people think before it actually airs. They said the show could never follow up the beloved Tennant with some weird looking and super young unknown, MUH TENNANT fever was all the rage, then it aired and people dealt with it because it was actually fine and the show survived another 7 years.

>>85222620
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Doctor's_age

Doctors' lifespans according to TV and EU:
Hartnell: about 450 years
Troughton: about 50 years
Pertwee: about 250 years
T. Baker: exactly 65 years
Davison: about 90 years
C. Baker: about 50 years
McCoy: exactly 56 years
McGann: at least 700 years
Hurt: about 400 years
Eccleston: about 1 year
Tennant: about 5 years
Smith: about 1200 years
Capaldi: not much, maybe just a few years (gives his age as 2000 in both Deep Breath and Extremis)

Of course, all this suffers from the many inconsistencies in the count of the Doctor's age.
For example, Pertwee said he was "thousands of years old" and the only estimate of his incarnation's age comes from subtracting Troughton's years from Baker's.
Then there's all the contradictory information about McCoy and McGann's age between the books and audios.
And then there's Tennant, who spends three years in space in The Infinite Quest and one year as prisoner of the Master, therefore I find it hard to believe that in Voyage of the Damned he was only three years older than Eccleston.

>>85223228
yeah he was the 11th white man to play the original white man role so it was fine

>>85223171
>reboot which erases Kirk and Spock and replaces them with two black women
I've just googled for any evidence it's a 'reboot' which 'erases' anything, and all I can find is some autistic trekkie upset that they're going to write conflict between the characters because it breaks a completely nonsensical rule.

>>85223258
This is wrong right away.

Hartnell was about 650 and then he was rejuvinated by 200 years making him about 450 as Troughton.

People are rectonning Troughton's "about 450" line to make Hartnell younger than that.

>>85223171
shitty b8

>>85223304
You're wrong.

It's a new continuity they have said exactly that. Not related to TOS or the reboot films at all.

>>85223340
it really isn't bait

The new female is only called Number One and she 'discovers' her true identity as a strong woman by the end of the series

>>85223323
>Hartnell was about 650 and then he was rejuvinated by 200 years
source?

>>85223258
Are you forgetting all the shit 12 did off screen? Also the fact that he taught at Uni for about 70 years?

>>85223425
How does this mean that Kirk and Spock are erased and replaced?

>>85223427
the tv show Doctor Who

>>85223454
how many times can I say it's a different timeline

That's right lads

Star Wars
Star Trek
Doctor Who

You've been erased for liking these things.

>>85223258
mcgann lived that long?
the time war was that long?

>>85223500
Who gives a shit. Does that stop you from watching TOS or TNG?

also on that list - the 7th Doctor is frozen for a million years in one audio

This list is one fan's decisions - it's not right

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>>85223564
8 spent 600 years hanging out with Jelly on Orbis.

>>85223323
>>85223448
I said:
>Of course, all this suffers from the many inconsistencies in the count of the Doctor's age.
This is just an estimate based on the numbers that are repeated more often in the show (or in the EU when the show doesn't have any information). I have a lot of doubts about most of those figures. I even made three examples.
(Also the 650 years figure about Hartnell technically never appears in the show).

>>85223564
He spends 100 years stuck on Earth in the books and 600 years on a planet of jellyfish in the audios.

>>85223639
So it's your list, in other words

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>/who/ presents:
DOCTOR WHO: SHIT TRIPS Vol. 2
- The Anthology -

>Are you a true fan of Doctor Who?
>Have you ever written down a sequence of words?

If the answer is yes or no, then you are ready to contribute a literary masterpiece to the second /who/ collection of original Doctor Who-based short fiction.

/who/ did it once. Now, we're gonna do it again! Yet another entry in an age-old tradition of p̶a̶c̶k̶a̶g̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶f̶a̶n̶f̶i̶c̶s̶ ̶t̶o̶g̶e̶t̶h̶e̶r̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶g̶i̶v̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶m̶ ̶a̶n̶ ̶a̶i̶r̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶l̶e̶g̶i̶t̶i̶m̶a̶c̶y̶ / celebrating the magic of Who and the talent of a community.

There are no limits (except the story must be at least 1 word long, and preferably not in excess of 10,000, it's short fiction you fuck).

>- Can involve any Doctor(s), companion(s), side characters, spinoff characters and beyond, as your heart desires
>- Can be in any style, whether it's "legitimate writing", "pisstake", or "shitpost".
>- Can be about absolutely anything
>- The main focus is on good fun in the vein of the wiki, although serious entries are allowed. (If you're going to write smut, maybe approach it with a degree of levity)

Stuck for ideas? Try starting with your favourite TARDIS team (or for timeliness, Whittaker 13th Doctor) and one of these authentic titles:
http://www.saberpunk.net/DoctorWho/DoctorWhoSerialGenerator.php
https://glyphobet.net/drwho

We are going to be starting an index on the wiki for the collection. Anyone can contribute, no signups/pitches required. If you have ideas, feel free to broadcast them.
The rest is self-explanatory. Format for uploading your work is up to you, as long as it can be conveniently copied across (and ideally don't spam long texts in /who/ directly). (Pastebin works well.)

BONUS: Anyone who wants to do cover art or "illustrations" is encouraged.

WE need more entries for classic as well as NuWho Doctors. Entries for Thirteen are accepted as well.

>>85223624
>>85223639
sounds like that could get very boring, but i dont know what went on there

>>85223682
What is the length required for a bad travel?

>>85223258
at what age does hartnell steal the tardis?
when is it revealed canonically that he stole it?

>>85223682
Working on one as we speak

>>85223681
Tbh I don't even believe those figures.
There's no accurate estimate that can be made because there are too many contradictions. That's just the best I could do and admittedly it isn't much.

>>85223778
Hi cats!

>>85223778
for a bad travel? No idea. For a story? However long you want it to be.

>>85223819
Cool. What's it about?

>>85223462
Hartnell never mentions an age.

So like a lot of people, I really adore the episode Heaven Sent. I'm just wondering is there any other movie or novel or anything that also has a high concept idea as the central premise, but is also deeply emotional?

In other words, if I like Heaven Sent, what would you suggest me? Someone suggested 'slaughterhouse five' to me, but I'm not really sure what that's about

>>85223801
susan is 15

>>85223258
>Pertwee: about 250 years
Wasn't he fucking exiled on Earth?
The hell

>>85223801
he was pretty old. it was revealed in that episode where clala trascends space and time to warn doctors incarnations about various traps the master had laid to him

>>85223849
11 amy and rory bump into a mediocre fan doctor

>>85223878
how did clala do that shit
that episode is just a blank in my mind

>>85223856
Nothing a drunk old Sidney Newman brainstormed on one page of A4 is in the show either, by the way.

But Troughton is 'renewed' and much younger and he's 'about 450'.

Who are the most typical Doctor Who fans these days? I always got the impression it was ugly tumblrina type girls who flicked their bean to David Tennant and Matt Smith, so a female doctor will be very unpopular with them too.

>>85223937
same. cant remember how she did it. maybe im blocking the memory intentionally.

anyways she warns hartnells doctor to not take that tardis because master had tampered it and told him to take the other one.
hartnell already had whiteish hair in that scene so i guess he was really old already

>>85223877
I bet this anon has added in the non-canon amount of time he spent lost in the vortex while he was slowly dying.

>>85223988
>>85223878
>the master

the Great Intelligence

>>85223801
Romana says he's been travelling for 523 years in The Pirate Planet. Subtracting that from his given age of 759, he would have been 236 when he stole it. At least according to Douglas Adams.

>>85223877
As I said, contradictions. That's entirely based on the different numbers given for T. Baker and Troughton, and who knows where Robert Holmes got his estimate from.

>>85223988
sounds about right, i think i remember at least that
honestly sounds like mofft once again trying his fucking hardest to tamper with old who in every way he can
also after just watching an unearthly child its pretty clear the doctor doesn't really know how to fly the tardis, so it makes sense that he fairly recently stole it

>>85224018
Like Adams or Williams actually ever watched DW before

>>85224016
No anon. It was the master. That GI thing was a rumor.

>>85224096
You know, now you mention it, that plot are would've been far better had it been the Master and not the Great Intelligence.

https://twitter.com/4_Y_E/status/888097796674301952/video/1

Why did mcgann do so many audio books
Is there a reason why there aren't any more films or mini episodes like night of the doctor, which was fantastic btw

>>85224339
What has he become?
used to be the handsome and flirty Captain jack, now acts like a mega fag

Why did Moffat use Snowmen instead of the Yeti when he brought back the Great Intelligence? They'd have been much better tbqh.

>>85224340
to be fair, he should have his own little tv series.

>>85224340
Mini episodes like that only happen if they can somehow justify it as relevant to the series. Night of the Doctor was specifically a tie in to the 50th anniversary special.

McGann has done loads of audio dramas because he joined Big Finish not too long after Davison, Colin Baker and McCoy joined, and people liked it because it was an opportunity to hear him play the role he never got to on TV,

>>85224339
>Barrowman is now literally having to whore himself out due to not returning to Doctor Who and Torchwood being cancelled
Kek

>>85224366
>used to be the handsome and flirty Captain jack
That was a fictional character he was playing, it's known as acting

Did Moffat ever really like Doctor Who?

He has shit on every single bit of the lore and none of it is actually better.

>>85218667
>So while ratings aren't great they could be worse.
And they're going to be.

>>85224339
JUST

>>85224442
>Did Moffat ever really like Doctor Who?
https://youtu.be/mz4CWenoUqM
>He has shit on every single bit of the lore and none of it is actually better.
Disagree.

>>85224442
He certainly loves Who.

>>85224442
>Did Moffat ever really like Doctor Who?
He's a lifelong Doctor Who fan.
Therefore, no, he has never liked Doctor Who, just like every true fan.

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>>85224442

>>85224442
>works at a job with long-ass hours and is expected to do over a dozen drafts of every script
>gets bitched out by every corner of the internet for so much as breathing
>could have left this gig years ago but decided to stay up until now
Yeah, he clearly didn't like Doctor Who if he did all that.

>>85224529
David Whitaker is a cunt! The Doctor doesn't fuck Barbara! Utter shit! It's supposed to have jokes!

>>85224442
I'd go as far as to say that Moff is the main writer that has loved Who more than any other, ever.

>>85224373
That would probably have cost more money.

>>85224442
Anyone who actually likes the Doctor Who part of Doctor Who has a responsibility to shit on the 'lore' part as much as possible

>>85224588
So why is his version so shit and lost millions of viewers?

>>85224529
>that look of disgust

He hates every word.

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>the doctor clearly picks up the alias when ian calls him doctor foreman
>RTD decides the doctor chose it while looking into the time vortex
The fuck?

>>85224637
To spite you and only you, anon.

>>85223258
So by your estimates he's about 3787 (I added on the time he spent at the University.

Damn.

>>85224653
He picks up Foreman not Doctor. They knew Susan's grandfather was a doctor of some kind already.

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>>85224586
>http://doctorwhogeneral.wikia.com/wiki/The_Three_Families
>Moffat, Troughton, Baker
>...and now Whitaker

Whitaker... WHITAKER!

>>85221690
Jesus Christ, get a grip you absolute flouncing faggot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H19ga3UBmpo

>>85224637
Because he has little understanding of how actual human beings think and act, and because he's not very good at putting together a coherent plot.
He does love Doctor Who though, I'll give him that.

>>85224741
fuck off

>>85224637
streaming numbers don't count to tv viewers

>>85224715
But he never introduces himself as the doctor until a while after ian and barbara are used to just calling him doctor

>>85224385
>>85224411
its an injustice that the BBC decided to make 'Class' instead of an 8th Doctor series of adventures, dunno what they were thinking

>>85223849
I will attempt.

>>85224637
Moffat's Who has resulted in a massive worldwide expansion in the show. It's miles bigger in America and China than it ever was before, and the latter of those regions is now the main source of funding for the show because of how big it is there. Doctor Who is not a UK-only show, and with the constant decline in TV viewing figures as whole in the UK, Doctor Who needed to expand to survive.

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>Capaldi era had an average higher ranking on the charts than any of the Classid Cotors

>>85224707
Of course, if you listen to Pertwee he was already thousands of years old back then.
Those numbers are... just numbers, really. I think at this point, Moffat's explaination that he's been making it up as he went along is the most plausible.

>>85224886
>*Entire NuWho era had an average higher ranking on the charts than any of the classic doctors
FTFY

>>85224817
Can you not see how it might be a bit difficult to pitch that to the BBC?
>It's Doctor Who again, except, instead of the current Doctor, it's the bloke from the TV Movie.

>>85219710
Almost done my submission, and was wondering how I get it to you. Also, I always include too much detail and it's probably gonna be like close to 10 pages, is that alright or should I try to shorten it?

>>85224886
What chart is this?

>>85224817
That would never ever happen. It would take to much focus of the main series and cause a divide in the viewers and fans.

>>85224816
And the people in The War Machines call him Doctor, who is required..

>>85224803
IPlayer numbers are counted in the TV ratings

>>85225020
iplayer is not the only streaming service that has doctor who though

>>85224856
the BBCA figures are even worse

try harder

>>85224997
Would it? It would have aired in 2016, when there was no Doctor Who apart from a Christmas special, and could've been done on a budget - just adapt some Big Finish adventures.

>>85225020
No they don't. They count HD and +1 ratings though.

>>85221690

I actually wish they'd kept the "regeneration is dying" aspect of End of Time. It gives it some weight and significance. There's not a great deal of jeopardy or peril in a man who's immortally unkillable, and there's not a lot of drama in regeneration if it's just a story-telling convenience brought on by changes in the production.

Regeneration is a form of rebirth, or reincarnation, which necessitates a death, but even if you believe continuity of consciousness is preserved, it's still terrifying.

I mean, think about it. If somebody told you that you were going to wake up tomorrow in a completely different body with a completely different personality, wouldn't you be scared? This is especially true of the Doctor, who knows that there's the possibility of his future incarnation becoming an agent of evil.

>>85223047
I think people underestimate children. They've always thought of the Doctor as a man and suddenly seeing a woman would feel weird to them.
It's us adults who are burdened with the whole back-knowledge of female casting, glass ceilings, feminism, or just basically thinking about "why" this decision was made by the people in charge.

Children just see 13 and think "that's weird, I thought the Doctor was a man". I doubt little girls all over the world were jumping wildly thinking "finally, some representation!".

>>85225072
Then have people get used to him and bemoan when he doesn't come back.

>>85225120
What you describe is exactly how Moffat wrote 11's regeneration into 12, just without the "I LITERALLY die" part.

>>85225140
>I doubt little girls all over the world were jumping wildly thinking "finally, some representation!".
I don't think they'd think of it in those terms, but there's a lot that shows kids like things and actually get a self confidence boost when they see themselves represented in media. It's a moment of "oh, they're like me!"

>>85225140
Children can also learn and adapt

>>85225120
Maybe the first time he did it but after a dozen changes he knows what to expect and should be at terms with it.

>>85225070
>don't even provide sources
http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/doctor-who-season-10-ratings/
I know that sounds low, but the average BBC America show that airs new episodes like Orphan Black or Dirk Gently's will often get only 300K.

>>85225093
>No they don't
Yes they do. The ratings we get are Live+7 ratings. They include people who watch on iPlayer within 7 days of transmission.

>>85225059
It's the main one and the most easily accessible one in the UK.

>>85225159
Then do a few episodes a year in the season Who itself doesn't air in (If Doctor Who is in Spring, but the 8th Doctor's adventures in Autumn, and vice versa)

I'm sure Paul Mcgann would love to do it, and they could keep the budget low if they adapt and create small-scale episodes along the lines of Midnight.

Obviously I'm no showrunner so I'm vastly underestimating the work that would go into it.

>>85224970
>>85224997

Do minisodes then and release them online or something? As the other anon said its something to fill up the space between breaks in the show.

Realistically he's the only Classic Who Doctor who could take up the role again on screen so I think they're wasting him while they have the chance to use him.

>>85225120
>If somebody told you that you were going to wake up tomorrow in a completely different body with a completely different personality, wouldn't you be scared?
Of course I would. But the Doctor's done this so many times before. He knows what happens. Sure, his appearance and mannerisms change, his appetites might change and all that, but he knows through experience that he's still the same Time Lord. He keeps the memories of all his previous incarnations, their thoughts, their feelings, even if they're not currently his own.

10's overreaction annoyed me. It was a combination of RTD wanting to go out on an emotional bang, and the fact that Tennant was extremely popular. But it's not fitting of the Doctor to throw a hissy fit every time he regenerates, he should be used to it by now.

So this is what you should do: let /who/ die. Just let this old thread gather dust. No one can open it, no one will even notice it. Let it become a strange little thing lurking on an archive. And over the hours, the world will move on, and the thread will be buried. And if you wanna remember me, then you can do one thing. That's all, one thing. Have a good life. Do that for me, anon. Have a fantastic life.

Doctor Who is dead. /who/ is dead.

>>85225309
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It splits the brand, kids don't care about the eighth Doctor only a small audience of old fans. It;s the same reason Moffat tanked the mooted Doctor Who movie. There should only be one Doctor, the current TV Doctor driving the show forward. Looking backwards for fanwank purposes is not the place the show should go.

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>>85225219
Agreed. I think they "got over it" a lot quicker than whoever's still angry about now.

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I meant that perhaps that reaction was something the BBC were hoping for, little girls being really happy to see a female Doctor, seeing them represented. But I doubt that's what the girls were thinking at all.

I totally agree with you about children liking to see themselves represented in media. It's why so many children's cartoons feature a lot more ethnic minorities in lead roles now. As a kid, you'd love that, of course you would. I just doubt that young children watching DW "identify" with the Doctor that much. Maybe the companion, but I don't think the Doctor.