Grandma? did it, grandma. I finally stood up for myself. I got

>>85022382
Dat sum real shit, yo!

I don't watch fucking cartoons. Fuck off.

>>85022382
rekt

>When you're a kid, things seem like they're gonna last forever. But they're not. Life changes.

When I was a kid I thought the world was horrible and the only hope was the future, but the world only got progressively worse every day since.

>>85022761
I wonder why....

>>85022848
Capitalism, I think.

>>85022848
Millions of muslims invading your country and raping your culture

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>>85022988

Probably right. Look at how happy these children look under Mao. Who needs food when you have communism, right cuck?

>>85023188
>blaming the acts of dictators on ideology they didn't even pretend to follow

...

>>85023382

>didn't even pretend to follow

He literally followed Marx's word to the letters. Sure, he was authoritarian, but how else do you change a society that massively?

OK, how would communism work in a perfect world?

>>85022988
It's more than that. You can easily make a successful business that pleases the shit out of your consumer to the point they'd take up arms to defend you if necessary. But instead, every business would rather make shittier and shittier products while spending all their money on advertisement to make the product appear to be better than the previous one, all the while trying to fuck the customer as much as possible (secretly collecting and selling their info, or serving them what amounts to poisoned food, for example). This stems from the fact companies operate on an infinite growth mindset: you made $1b revenue last year? If you don't make $1.2b this year, you might as well die.
In other words, it's something more specific than capitalism that is still entailed by it.

>>85023382
>the dozens of communist regimes that have, without fail, turned to corrupted hellholes with starving civilians within a short timespan weren't real communist regimes. but i swear that if i were in charge of a communist regime, things would be different and better.

>>85023519
>>85023557
>central tenant of communism is no central authority

>every "communist" entity immediately established central authority

>>85023519
The laborers control the means of production

>>85023661

There is no way society can change that extremely without force. If you're ignorant of that then you might as well say 'yeah the best society is one where people never get sick, can fly and live until they're 200'. Its fantasy.

I ask again, how would your perfect society work?

>>85023382

>100 million dead in the last century
>b...but that wasn't real communism I swear

Every time.

>>85023817
>There is no way society can change that extremely without force.

I see you were given a hammer and taught everything was a nail.

>>85022761

ditto famalam

>>85023680

And who invests in the labourers, and the factories, and innovation to make the factories more efficient?

The state?

Obviously these things wouldn't happen spontaneously, as the worked have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo - their livelihoods and their children's livelihoods. Change introduces uncertainty.

So I ask again, how would your perfect system come about, and how would it function?

>>85024055
>dude communism can't work because I think in entirely capitalist terms

...

>>85022848
Organized internet propaganda campaigns designed to reinforce and excuse all flaws with the status quo

>>85023906

No, I've studied history. Give me one example of a massive peaceful societally shift involving millions of people. The only one I can think of is the British Industrial Revolution, and that's pretty much the posterchild for (mostly) successful captilism.

>>85024187
>Give me one example of a massive peaceful societally shift involving millions of people.

The internet.

>>85024119

You still have no argument I see. No wonder communism always fails, communists are retards.

>>85024235
Or whats really happening is every time someone criticizes capitalism you pop up and start wiggling your ass about stalin and mao as if its the 70s and there are only two societal structures that could ever work and capitalism is obviously the superior because you speak english and no other languages... and no one really wants to engage with you, because you don't have any arguments, just a lot of specious bullshit designed to silence opposition for... whatever purpose.

>>85024226

If you think the internet is peaceful you clearly don't know shit. Its literally the old west.

We are lucky to live in an era where its pretty much unregulated. Our children won't have that luxury. Its not comparable to communism in any way, websites have moderators. Companies control access. Its a better argument for Polis style city states ala ancient Greece.

>>85023188
The look about as happy as the workers in foxconn and the diamond miners in china who are necessary to make the nintendo that you'll trample three children and a fat pregnant woman over during black friday

>>85024431
>the internet is the old west

I can attest to this. I've had to replace my bulletproof vest ten times this month from getting shot at by twitter posters.

>>85024385

100 million people have died horribly because of communism. You can put your blinkers on and imagine its all MLP, but that doesn't detract from the death toll.

Once again, for the fifth time, how would your perfect society look/function?

>>85024540
Again with blaming the acts of absolute central authorities on an ideology that specifically requires the absence of such things.

>>85024504
ah lost mah legs in the habbo hotel incident but I'd do it again in a heartbeat boy lemme tell ya what

>>85024501

Pretty sure Foxconn won't ensure 100 million dead communists. Also, Foxconn is in China, and China is still a communist country, so your argument is doubly shit.

Can you look at a modern, western constitutional democracy and compare that tho North Korea or China? Countries that espouse human rights and choice?

I'll wait.

>>85024501
so capitalism allows a minority to be happy while everyone must be miserable under communism?

don't know about you but I'll pick the former.

>>85024540
Step 1: proper education

I see I've already lost you.

>>85024614

But a society that cannot be realised without it. The acquisition of capital is human nature.

>>85024711
>china is communist

China is arguably more capitalist than the west at this point.

>>85024752

And can you think of any communist country that hard educational standards as well as, say, the US?

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>>85024187
>the British Industrial Revolution, and that's pretty much the posterchild for (mostly) successful captilism.
U wot? Charles Dickens is a world-famous author exactly because the industrial revolution ISN'T a posterchild for successful capitalism, unless your qualifier for successful capitalism is what's being built rather than the survival-rate of the workers who build it, like in Dubai. It's the posterchild for what unfettered capitalism will inevitably revert back to if people don't stand up for the worker's rights that men have literally died for.

I'm not cheering on for communism here, the Industrial Revolution just isn't a positive posterchild for capitalism, just as there isn't a single communist state that's a positive posterchild for communism.

>mfw the I accidentally wrote poserchild and my computer wanted to correct it to Rothschild

Automatization will be the catalyst for societal change. If we end up as 1800s capitalist hellholes like London was or something new, more socially conscious, we can only guess

>>85024752
and you probably think people are good-willed at heart too, and that a society can function solely based on 'proper education'.

>>85024681

The Project Chanology reservation was a trap.

>>85024752
proper education such as? an electrician is far more valuable to society than whatever underwater basket weaving degree most libtards are taking these days. the thing with communism is you think that theoretically your labor has value while you don't actually provide anything that benefits anyone in a meaningful way. you then call the electrician and the plumber uneducated idiots because they didn't go to college and get your degree that can't get you a job

you know, the bright side of a communist revolution is that we would get to execute you retards first. you would be discarded immediately in a communist society. you think you'll be a party member? top lel

>>85022508
>it isn't live action so its bad
kys

>>85025000
>the thing with communism
you mean capitalism

>>85024540
>100 million people have died horribly because of communism.
Let me play devil's advocate here: How many millions have died horribly because of capitalism? Add up every person who's been killed because safety protocols were "too expensive" for a company and I'm sure you'll get a whopper of a number, especially if you start counting with the start of industrialism. Surely every person who died so a company could save some money is a victim of capitalism just as those people were victims of communism?

>>85024752

Education would be detrimental, as it would allow people to sell their labour as they see fit. This is why education was always heavily regulated in communist societies and people were allocated a position in life.

>>85022382
This was the GOAT Butters episode.

>>85024893
This is literally the only reason I'm for democratic socialism being introduced. Because it's either that or we gimp our future productivity by outlawing automatization, all to keep capitalism afloat in some weird new system. That, or mass starvation and societal upheaval as there's not enough jobs to go around and nobody to care for those at the bottom. Better to just ready society for it beforehand than to take the shock when the last industry is finally automated, kicking the last workers to the curb and forcing us to change.

>>85025144

Literally no where near as bad as parents that were forced to eat their children in Holodomor.

But you really want to know the difference between the systems? Yeah people died under capitalism, but that changed the system. Things were made safer. The market reacted. Because capitalism is human, and humans care about their own welfare.

Do communists not realize that communism guarantees a single giant corporation (a.k.a. the government) complete monopoly over every industry and the power to kill any employee (a.k.a. the citizen) that doesn't comply? Communism literally is a parody of the perceived flaws in capitalism. I have tried and honestly cannot imagine a system more exploitative of workers. It guarantees that you will never be anything more than a slave laborer grunt - that is unless you are a (((Party member))). How is it current year and people still believe in this? The kikes are so impatient and pushy that they're already pushing it just 20 years after the Soviet Union collapsed. Let the goys take a five minute break before they have to deal with this shit again

>>85025000
I'm liking how your false dichotomies are supported by false equivalencies and appeals to emotion.

>>85023880
>can't counter an often repeated argument?
>make it sound stupid and comment on how its always repeated!

>>85025144
>Add up every person who's been killed because safety protocols were "too expensive" for a company and I'm sure you'll get a whopper of a number, especially if you start counting with the start of industrialism.

Sounds more like people being killed by greed, which isn't unique to capitalism.

>>85025144
industrialism bridged the gap between rich and poor unlike it has ever been throughout human history. as far as capitalism killing? whenever was there a capitalist revolution, you stupid nigger? capitalism isn't a government type unlike communism. capitalism is an economic model

>>85025476
so communism is bad because when thought of in capitalist terms it's just like capitalism

wow

>>85025655
capitalism and communism are means of distributing resources that, because of people like you, have come to be elevated to ideology.

>>85025523
nothing i said was incorrect. your religion is a failed one

>>85025000
Surely if anything the useless degrees you see in American colleges today is a symptom of Capitalism, not Communism? Under Capitalism there's always someone willing to pay to learn how to weave baskets underwater, even if it's a completely useless skill. And since they're paying for it the class keeps making money and getting taught.

Also, I'm no fan of communism but I've definitely seen more than one communist memorial or whatever dedicated to menial workers. Again, it's capitalists who talk shit about the workers simply because they make less.

>>85025737
you're not making any sense, but i guess it's summertime and all the underage edgy commie kids are home. you'll grow up one day and if not you can always kill yourself

>>85025744
capitalism vs communism is a false dichotomy

talking about all education as if it is liberal arts degrees is a false equivalency.

"you'd die first lol" is an appeal to emotion

Not even mentioning the adhoms.

>>85025671

That's not an argument and its not a criticism of either system.

Its literally just words in place of an argument. Don't you see how that's intellectually bankrupt?

I'll prove it. What is the difference between a capitalist and a communist mindset?

The market economies will lose their driving force, the middle class will cease to exist and make way for a massive throng of plebs, many of them refugees in the coming 50 years. How can capitalism keep going without turning out like Brazil is my question.

>>85025809
>I don't understand how capitalism and communism are, at core, systems to distribute resources therefore you are the stupid person.

stellar post.

>>85025796

>I should dictate how people spend their money

Literally the problem with communism senpai. If people want to learn to weave baskets underwater who are you to say they can't?

>>85025655
>whenever was there a capitalist revolution
The American revolution? Threw off a monarchy with the rallying cry of "no taxation without representation" and one of its more famous moments was throwing merchandise off a boat.

>>85025796
it's a symptom of communists taking over the universities for the last 50 years, actually

> Again, it's capitalists who talk shit about the workers simply because they make less.
no, it's libtards who constantly talk shit to the white working class because the think they are uneducated retards

>>85025832
>What is the difference between a capitalist and a communist mindset?

Functionally nothing, according to you.

>>85025925
>t. person who's never so much as set foot on a college campus

>>85025912
But I wasn't the one talking shit about underwater basketweaving... Follow the conversation.

>>85023382
>when your retarded system fails but it's okay because it wasn't real communism so you try again and your retarded system fails but it's okay because it wasn't real communism so you try again and your retarded system fails etc.jpg

Communists are fags

>>85025924
you're one dumb nigger. the constitution and the bill of rights established a democratic republic

>>85025929

Once again, not an argument. What is the difference according to you?

>scene from south park turn's into argument over communism in less than 10 posts
I really hate you fucking faggots

>>85026091
>expecting non-political discussion on /tv/

Get with the time, gramps.

Oh you're 5 century old sociopolitical system is out of date and directly responsable for the Death and subjugation of millions of people let's replace it with my one century old sociopolitical system that's never worked and directly responsible for the Death and subjugation of millions of people

We've outgrown capitalism yes and need to replace it but I'm not sure if communism is the answer

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>>85022761
What about today? Is today the worst day of your life?

>>85026596
With post-scarcity and sufficient automation a collapse of capitalism and rise of anarcho-communism (a term that would be redundant if not for murrican eduka$hun) is essentially inevitable.

>>85023661
>a society without central authority
ahahahaha, talk about a utopian dream
No revolutionary is going to give up their power, and if they do you'll get invaded by outside forces, communism is a dream at best

>>85028832
hahaha right hahaha humanity will always have and need authority figures right hahaha otherwise no one would ever get anything done or do anything right hahahaha please don't stomp on me master but I love the feeling of boot on my neck who doesn't hahahaha

>>85029494
nice strawman.
I never said society needs it, I said people in power will not give it away which is exactly what happens after the revolution.
Face it, anywhere where a socialist came to power there was huge abuses of power and a shit living standard.
And if it's not ''real socialism'' then it's simply an idea, not on par with other ideologies since those have been in place and we know what they do

>>85026091
t. ledditor tourist

>>85028392
>With post-scarcity and sufficient automation

we are not even close to achieving a silver of that.

>>85029920
Yeah we've got more like a bronze.

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>>85022382
Are you fuckers actually Communists or some gay offshoot of it?

>>85029494
uh yeah
did you think people didn't just kill each other and steal things before governments?

communists are fucking dumb I swear
it's not like Marx didn't make some good points against capitalism

>>85023133
culture is meant to be shared, you're just a racist

>>85029920
Multiple industries are already well past the technological level required for full automation, just human labor is cheaper and self-replacing, especially if, as a corporate entity, one can simply buy a shitty third world government.

Then scarcity, as a market force, needs to be artificially maintained in order to keep a stupid number of economies functional.

To say, we're closer to post-scarcity than our corporate masters would have you believe, just, oddly, they correctly view the economic viability of inequity based business models as unviable in a post-scarcity environment.

>>85031752
Most people who talk about communism are anarcho-communists. An odd term that would be redundant if murrican education didn't teach kids that fascist dictatorships were communist simply because they called themselves that.

>>85035124
>I'm a passive aggressive little bitch: the post

>>85035124
I always wondered why murrican education doesn't teach that socialism is bad because of the things hitler did, as hitler claimed to be socialist.

>>85023133

America? What culture? Lmao

>>85024874
You're implying that capitalism's success depends on long life expectancy of the lower strata. If the person is valuable and has a particular set of skills that make them uniquely capable of performing a task that is useful at the time then those who have acquired wealth will ensure they live. In our modern society, that's through better pay, benefits, and working conditions. Worker rights are an artificial baseline that the government sets up, not the capitalist system itself.

>>85024055
Not him,but I think communism could work on a small scale. Maybe a county at the most.
Thoughts?

>>85035124
those self proclaimed anarcho communists are no bigger than communities of like hundreds of people, or more often than not just a hippie shithole apartment in oakland

anarcho-communism is an oxymoron. In order to have communism you must enforce it, it's as simple as that.

and that's when purges, red terrors, mass famine, over complicated bureaucracy, low standards, etc.. becomes abundant. whats not abundant? the good things that communism promises.

>>85037993
That's an awfully naive scenario you've imagined there.

Since no amount of money will make a person live forever, the uniquely skilled are simply viewed as point of failure in any business model dependent upon them. Thus the unique are replicated and their value reduced so as to maximize profits for the owners of business.

>>85039965
>In order to have communism you must enforce it

If everyone is equal then who has the right to enforce anything? Who has authority?

So what you're describing is automatically not communism.

>>85024540
You're both wrong. Resource based economy focused on scientific research/automation/technology and the arts is the only way to achieve utopia.

>>85023188

Not our fault they squirt kids out like niggers on fertility drugs.

>>85040882
How do you create total equality?

>>85023906
god damn commies piss me off

>>85041038
/Thread

>>85025924
That wasn't about capitalism it was about common law and english radicalism.

>>85040882
>IT'LL WORK THIS TIME!

I'll go set up the gulags.

>>85023188
>Captalism is bad
>NO, COMMUNISM IS BAD, BAD THINGS THAT HAPPEN BECAUSE OF CAPTALISM ARE NOT

>>85022508
good for you.now go watch Jamal fuck your wife some more,cuck.

>>85036619
Now that's bad bait...

>>85022382
>just let evil people do what they want for their entire lives
>but I win because eventually they will die

Genius Butters, shame more evil people get born every day

>>85045190
He seems to be more worried that his personal tormentor will die, and soon.

>>85023188
Cleary a retard that doesn't know anything about Chinese history. The era before Mao was way worse.

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>>85041038
>There will never be a major technocracy movement in your lifetime
Fuck everything