/who/ - Doctor Who General

Anyone got a vk login so I can watch classic /who/ episodes without them jewing me by having one episode per serial locked?

>>84832690
Why not make an account? I just used 10 Minute Mail

>>84832690
Hey bro just use this https://archive.is/7eSsd

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What did it fucking mean lads?

>>84832712
Didn't even consider this for some reason, ta.
>>84832719
Nah, thanks. The quality on that is absolute shite.

>>84832722
Is this for the coming Xmas episode or the last one?

>>84832771
This one.

>>84832784
Looks like a Dalek at the intersection of some corridors with arrows showing how the characters will move.

>>84832722
First Doctor on the right, you can see by the hair, hat and walking stick

...PREPARE TO BE MOFFUCKED! BRADLEY NOT PLAYING ONE. BRADLEY IS PLAYING HARTNELL AND THE WHOLE EPISODE WILL TAKE PLACE DURING AAISAT!

>>84833196
>AAISAT
?

>>84833224
an adventure in space and time you pleb

>>84833224
An adventure in space and time

>>84832722
The Doctors stop and visit the crucifixion of whitewashed Jesus Christ and point and laugh at his suffering.

>>84833292
Written by Sarah Dollard

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Why wasn't the stacked logo used?

>>84833428
Because it's shit
That's probably the worst logo along with the RTD surfboard

>>84833428
Because TV is widescreen now.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPD6okhfGzs

Neat video. It feels like the Doctor is teaching me about surrealism

>>84833678
>doctor teaches us about jew art
hmm

>>84833428
Because the DW police box is superior.

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So it was Capaldi's last day today apparently

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Scaroth reporting in.

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>>84833714
Good one

>>84833717
RIP Capalderooni

>>84833717

f

>>84833717
Female Doctor

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>>84833717
Sad news, but all things must end. Soon Marshall will start filming with his hawaiian shirts and his asian companion.

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>>84833717
>Adam
>Who's Adam?
>The first face this face saw
It's the end, and Adam was prepared

>>84833850
>That grandma hair.

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Steven and Rachel bid farewell, and Adam lingers around...

>>84833850
Christ, he's gone full Pertwee.

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>Haven't I seen this fat loathsome cunt before?

>>84833702
Sounds like someone has a case of automatism.

>>84833873
>>84833898
Wow, he looks even creepier from the side. Or maybe it's just the beard.

Americlap here. Who is Kris Marshall anyways?

Dr. Poo

Doctor Pooo? Who are you?

and...
Poo are you?
Who are POO?
P00 ARE P00?

turn
turn left -> <- ↚ ↚ //
Smell that? Smell that?
Smell me? Smell me?

The BIG
Bad

W I F F

>>84833898
>Who is that /who/ user next to them?

>>84833992
11/10 post

Why do you have pics of my nanny?

>>84833898
Who's the slag?

Would you fuck Missy?

>>84833986
The 13th Doctor.

>>84834087
Y E S

>>84834087
No. But would lick her hairy wrinkled butthole

The next rendition of the doctor who theme should be a slow ambient version by angelo badalamenti

>>84833292
anon your post doesn't make any sense

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>>84833717
F

What kind of outfit would you like to see 13 wear?

>>84834319
it's time to do away with outfits, imo. they're outdated. 13 should be nude

>>84834319
hawaiian shirts

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>>84833717
R-really?


FUCK YEAH!!!! FINALLLY!!!!!

GOODBYE CAPOLDICK
WORST

DOCTOR

>>84834375
poor bait

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>>84834375

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>>84834375

>>84834455
>if he doesn't like what I like it's bait

I bet you hate Colin

>>84833702
Didn't you know Doctor who is Jewish
http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/131751/doctor-who-doctor-jew

Do you think in the \who\ universe they'll actually have a Kris Marshall 13 who wears Hawaiian shirts and has an asian companion with a huge rack. I bet right now they're joking about having what we're actually going to see for series 11

>>84834546
i dont want her to have a huge rack

>>84834546
The universe where Tennant never left is already joking about that old fart who "doesn't want to go".

>>84834567
There's literally nothing wrong with being gay anon

>>84834610
hi Bill

>>84834591
>in that universe literally everything is the same except Tennant is still Doctor

Could he handle Heaven Sent? Also the Doctor Falls would be fucking kino with the Doctor's last stand coming after fucking over ten years of 10 being the Doctor

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>>84834591
>>84834652
I was just thinking last night how every new series Doctor should've stayed for 1 more season. I don't even like Tennant but I think that would have been interesting.

Eccleston
>S1 - S2

Tennant
>S3 - S5

Smith
>S6 - S8

Capaldi
>S9 - S11

How different would these seasons be? The most interesting ones to see would be Moffat's Tennant season and Chibnall's Capaldi season. I hope someone breaks the 3-season mold soon, it's boring how everybody stays for the same amount of time. Tom's record will never, ever be broken.

im so scared the new doctor is going to be shite and the show cancelled lads

>>84834773
I'm inclined to believe storywise they expected Eccleston for Series 2 and Tennant for Series 5. Series 8 Smith would be different cos no GOOD MAN or OLD MAN/ATTACK EYEBROWS.

>>84834773
Wait, I just realised that's not really giving each Doctor one more season. It's just giving Eccles one and pushing everybody up. But still interesting to think about.

>>84834877
I don't have the source for it but I read that Moffat had a plan for a Tennant S5, before he had decided whether he'd leave or not. It was going to be different.

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I just realised how weird it is that they didn't do any jokes about Capaldi's eyebrows in relation to Matt's. They did so many forced eyebrow jokes about him but the most obvious/interesting one should be the fact that his previous incarnation had basically no eyebrows, so it's like he's making up for it now.

Or am I forgetting a line about that?

>>84834877
Some episodes like Into the Dalek were clearly written (or severely rewritten) with Capaldi's characterization in mind, but most of the front half or so of series 8 (and In the Forest of the Shite) I can see as originally being Smith stories.

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Just finished The Mark of the Rani, part one.

I thought this was supposed to be shit?
It's alright so far.

There seems to be an introductory scene set in the TARDIS missing from the episode, if the transcript here is to be believed: http://www.chakoteya.net/DoctorWho/22-3.htm
Where did it go?

Also why does Peri's dress change between the TARDIS scene and the location filming, with no explanation?

I can't understand a fucking word any of the miners are saying

>>84832690
just use gallifreylive

>>84835050
Watching the classic series, you'll learn that every fan-hated story doesn't live up to the anti-hype. They're not great but they're not unbearable. Even Adric is mostly fine.

>>84835079
its the same with nuwho

>>84835007
Moff's saving that one just in case there's a multi-Doc anniversary special with 11/12 sometime in the future

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>>84835151
So he can email the line to Chibnall and begs that he includes it?

>>84835112
Also true.

>>84835192
Yep and then he'll get a co-writer credit

>>84835079
Time-Flight absolutely deserves all the hate it gets, and The Twin Dilemma really is shite, but I think that largely you're right.

Warriors of the Deep was fine, Season 20 was fine apart from The King's Excretions

>>84835226
I dunno. The King's Demons isn't even shit, really. It's just boring and a bit nonsensical. It being only 2 parts helps it a lot.

>>84835274
It's pointless and doesn't have an ending, but it fills 50 minutes I guess

>>84835342
It could be worse. It could be Arc of Infinite Shite or Terminal Boredom.

>>84835342
>It's pointless and doesn't have an ending, but it fills 50 minutes I guess
NuWho is longer than 50 minutes

>>84835369
Arc of Infinity was fine - Nyssa's speech about justice and her defending the Doctor is great, and I actually liked the runaround in Amsterdam.

Terminus is dreadful, but as soon as Sarah Sutton starts crying for real when she says "like you I'm indestructible", so do I.

>>84835478
I will agree at least that Sutton and Nyssa are pretty great in those stories. I think Byrne was one of the only people who wrote Nyssa really well, but that's might just be because I love Keeper of Traken.

>>84835478
Davison as Omega running around Amsterdam is kino.

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Post moments that make you piss yourself laughing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmNXj2W7yw4

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Have any of you bought these? Are they worth it? They seem awfully expensive, but I don't want to miss out on episodes

>>84836155
Aren't they still missing quite a lot?

>>84836155
Nah, I'd rather watch the recons than listen to the missing stories (even if they have narration)

>>84836191
As far as I know the sound alone of every missing episode was recorded. Makes me wonder why the BBC doesn't animate them all honestly

>>84836362
Money

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>>84836155
I'm more a novelization man

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>>84836155
loser grow up

>>84836410
I guess. How did their animation of Power of the Daleks sell?

>>84836419
Oh fuck I love Target novels. I picked up like 40 back in 2006 for $3 (1-2 pounds)

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True wisdom from RTD.

I havent watched since Series 8. The First Doctor Christmas Special has got me interested again. Are 9 & 10 worth watching?

And I dipped my foot into 8th Doctor Big Finish audios a while back. Are there any other audio worth checking out? Like the Baker and Tennant audios?

>>84837155
If you were into DW enough to listen to any briggs finish then you should watch 9 and 10, they're good even just for Peters acting

>>84836362
Hoping they animate Fury from the Deep next if any more are planned

>Sylvester McCoy is the best doctor
Prove me wrong

>>84837155
Listen to the entire main range.

>>84837205
Cool, I'll check them out for sure then. I miss how comfy /who/ is.

>>84837227
>Prove me wrong
Season 1-15

>>84837366
Kek based Chibnuck

>>84837133
I want to buy his book, I can't seem to find it anywhere for a decent price though. Weh.

>>84832755
>ta
Get out jewboy

>>84837366
Is it on the DVD?

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>>84834546

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Anyone remember the 9th Doctor comic strip "The Cruel Sea"?

Absolute mind-bending nightmare kino - anyone know of a download/viewing link for it?

>>84835007
I'm more impressed that they didn't make any massive eyebrow jokes with 12/Bill. Nardole doesn't have eyebrows period; you'd think they could have done something with that.

>>84837921
I remember it used to be prime meme material here on /who/.

>>84837305
/who/ hasn't been comfy for a very, very long time.

It's over

https://twitter.com/edwardrussell/status/884474246201847808

Must have been post-production that got wrapped yesterday

>>84838403
post production would only just be starting, it's a golden wrap

>>84838059
>Shearman
>That's Gareth!
>Moffat

I'm not surprised

>>84838156
Its been a few years so id imagine some things have changed.

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>>84837921
Here, along with the other Ninth Doctor DWM comics.

http://libgen.io/comics0/_0DAY21/1%20U.K/2%20Dr%20Who/Dr%20Who%20Weekly%20-%20Monthly%20-%20Magazine/03%20Magazine%20085-/Special%20Edition/Doctor%20Who%20Magazine%20Special%20Edition%2013%20-%20The%20Ninth%20Doctor%20Collected%20Comics%20%282006%29%20%28rescan%29.cbr

>Colin Baker got a longer run than Eccles

Feels bad, man

>>84834905

Moff said that his idea for Series 5 Tennant was the same plot as Series 5 Smith, just that him crashing into Amy's garden when she was a young girl was Tennant's regeneration story.

Instead it all gets confused and repurposed for series 6 and ATM

Anyone else think donna and 11 would have been a GOAT pairing?

>>84839560
no.

>>84839660
Based cats

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Name one (1) Doctor Who episode more kino than pic related.

Pro tip: you fucking can't.

>>84839748
Heaven Sent / Hell Bent

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>>84839752
>Hell Bent

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Just finished watching The Dalek Invasion of Earth for the second time. Solid serial. And despite it being a bit sudden, Susan's departure is genuinely well done. The only thing that lets it down is the fact that the Doctor never returned (on-screen, you ear-story nerds). Perfectly understandable decision production-wise, but I'm not sure how to rectify it in-universe. Why would the Doctor put it off for so long?

If he did return, which Doctor do you think would've been best for that story?

I think Troughton would've been interesting, although I don't know if Susan would've liked him. It's sort of difficult to imagine it working with Pertwee, and impossible with Baker. I think the best time would've been with Davison. Maybe after The Five Doctors, that way audiences would've been refreshed on who Susan is and it could explain why the Doctor finally decided to do it.

>>84839779
Reminder Moffat implied in The Empty Child that Susan is deaderino.

>>84839779
DIoE is maximum-comfy.

>>84839814
no he didn't

>>84839814
I've always pictured that when the Time War started the Time Lords somehow forced every single Gallifreyan to come home and join the war effort.

>>84839837
Well I mean, the show implied it for years. Last of the Time Lords and all that. I remember the Doctor also fairly explicitly says that his whole family is dead in Smith and Jones.

>>84839837
yeah he did
CONSTANTINE: Before this war began, I was a father and a grandfather. Now I am neither. But I'm still a doctor.
DOCTOR: Yeah. I know the feeling.

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>>84839869
anon BTFO

>>84839837
Even Capaldi implied it when he went to the Doctor Who Experience in India.
https://youtu.be/nMi8c8uglmI?t=2m42s

>>84839926
God I love Capaldi.

>>84839560
11 would have been good with an older companion. Maybe not Donna, but someone in their 30s at least.

>>84834877
Nope, Moffat has mentioned before that the whole "am I a good man" was intended for Smith.

>>84839953
Probably would've made more sense with Smith too.

>>84835050
Mark of the Rani's actually pretty good. It's Time and the Rani that's the complete disaster.

>>84836155
I bought them, but it means that with DVD releases of later recovered episodes and animated episodes, there's a lot of redundancies.

They are however the highest quality audio copies you can get. The Loose Cannon recons are great, but often use poor quality recordings (and in Galaxy 4's case, an inaudible recording)

>tfw no friends

>>84840242
hey man theres plenty of doctor who clubs and stuff, they might be cringey but who knows.

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Good morning /who/!

>>84840336
delete this

You know, I half expect Mel and the other one to crash into the TARDiner at some point.

Also my captcha said select all the Mangoes when none of the things in the image were mangoes.

>>84840395
Maybe you don't know what a mango is, anon.

>>84840440
Yesterday my captcha asked me to select all the Cars but in the picture there was only Buildings

>>84840451
Did I ask you?

>>84833717
:(

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>>84840468
RUDE

>>84836155
A lot are on the audiobook bay, some by themselves and others in big Big Finish collection. Warning: a few are fucked, like the Myth Makers one randomly cuts out most of ep 2.

>>84837133
Jesus Christ. It's no wonder the show instantly started looking infinitely more professional when Moff came on. Even the HD upgrade couldn't help RTD and co's terrible sense of aesthetics.

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>it's actually hitting me that Capaldi is leaving now he has finished filming

no

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>84840451
Indeed, it like "Wait...if it wants apartment buildings, why are there so many street signs?"

At least it's better than the era when Captcha never new what Store Fronts were.

>>84839748
Kinda

>>84840543
I really wish he was he was the kind to stay for like 5 series. would have given us time to really enjoy his tenure.

Christmas special title is ''The Doctors''

http://www.doctorwhonews.net/2017/07/doctor-who-at-san-diego-comic-con.html

>>84840607
Hmm, I'd be sceptical, the beebz hasn't confirmed it yet in a press release or anything, and it sounds more generic than a typical Moffat title. Reminder that the 50th was still titled "The Time War" until quite late in production.

>>84840607
What a news!

>>84840607
>sneak peak at comi-con
>it will never leak

It's that 50th trailer all over again lads

>no second chances, that's the kind of man I am.

How will moffags ever recover?

>>84840607
WORKING title. fake news. sad!

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>>84840596
He might've if the job wasn't so physically damning. I doubt Tom ever had to get reconstructive knee surgery.

>>84840674
I meant "demanding". Don't bully.

>>84840674
Would it ever be feasible for NewWho to scale back the action stunts for the Doctor's actor, and hand some over to the companion (whether a man or a woman), Classic style? Much as I think the show needs to constantly rejuvenate itself, the NewWho actors all tending to leave after the same amount of time is starting to feel less like necessary change and more like stuck tradition because of how the production is NOT changing.

>>84840684
>>84840674

damning works pretty well honestly

>>84840691

Would the ratings get better or worse with a longer companion do you think?

>>84839926
>Doctor Who Experience in India
kek, I hate my own country sometimes.

>>84840728
Wouldn't have to be the same companion, just write the scenarios so that the companion (in general) does more of the running and fighting and whatnot than they usually do, to allow the Doctor's actor to do less.

As for ratings, just depends on the companion I suppose, they can always add a third member to the TARDIS team now and again to freshen things up.

>>84840691
Is it even the stunts that are a problem? I thought it was the filming schedule that was particularly grueling.

>>84839926
god he's so great. he carries the character excellently even when doing improv. im gonna miss him so much.

>>84840765
The schedule is rough but the actors literally keep getting the exact same knee injury because of the type of stunts the Doctor's actor gets asked to do. Fun fact: that's why we didn't see 11 exit his timestream in The Name of the Doctor, Matt literally couldn't physically do it.

>>84840750
UK or India?

>>84840805
In the article I just read Capaldi describes it as "something that happens when you run down corridors and suddenly pivot at the end". So forcing them to run take after take is probably what does it.

>>84840810
Why not both?

>>84840829
ah yes, he called it the Doctor's twist or something didn't he? Can they really not just start staging the scenes differently to stop it happening to the Doctor's actor 3 actors in a row!?

>>84840848
I thought Tennant's problem was with his back, not his knee. But yeah, they really need to do something so they stop hurting their lead role. It's pretty bizarre.

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>>84833717

F

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmqtzPUt76U [Embed]

>>84833992
Smell me. I've gassed hundreds of Shite Lords.

>>84840860
Oh you might be right actually. Definitely the knee with Matt and Peter though.

Knock Knock

Who's there?

Doctor

Doctor Who?


Has the show ever used this joke? It seems so obvious but I can't recall an episode where it was said

The Doctor Falls...No More

The Doctor Falls...The Doctor Rises

The Doctor Falls...The Doctors

The Doctor Falls...Twelfth Night

idk no title really jumps out at me

>>84840896
I want to say Knock Knock, but I think that was actually just the introduction from BBC naratator

>>84840975
BBC Narration. We love stories.

Do you think they'll open a new doctor who experience somewhere else since the lease runs out this year? if so, where?

>>84841002
The National History museum because the show will be history once it's cancelled

>>84840955
Twelfth Night is the best because it ties into Christmas.

>>84840955
Neo Falls

Why are you back all of a sudden you anus

>>84841021
delete

>>84841002
Let's hope so

>>84841124
yeah i've always wanted to go but being a lowley uni student i cant afford the trip to the motherland so i was pretty devastated when i heard it was closing

>>84837569
After reading that book you watch S4 and the specials in a total different way. It's probably the best thing about RTD's era

Click below to subscribe to the doctor who youtube channel

>>84841293
>It's probably the best thing about RTD's era

Better still: when it ended.

>>84840883
Matt already had a back problem though, which is why he became an actor and not a footballer

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>>84841312
Click below to subscribe to the official doctor who youtube channel

>>84841332
Nah mate. The RTD years are better after you read that book, it puts it into context of basically them fighting against the tide all the time.

I always like the analogy that RTD was like Tony Blair, and 2005-2009 was like New Labour for doctor who

>>84841412
y-you're not arguing that blair has been good for the country are you?

>>84841412
That also implies RTD is a complete cunt and hated by millions?

>>84841412
And Moffat is based Corbyn?

>>84841093
I've been back since the finale, I left because it got 2spoilery4me

>>84841412
...

>>84841436
No no no don't get me twisted.

It does fit really well though. RTD was 'in power' and had massive approval ratings from S1 to S4, by rebranding both Doctor Who and saturday night television as a whole for the second half of the decade.

Now he's similliar to Blair insomuch that he doesn't really do much except occasionally comments on the show when everyone just wants him to fuck off.

All I meant with the book is that it's an interesting read for anyone interested in TV or production- and definitely enhances the viewing of S4 and the Specials.

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Those feels

Benjamin Clementine is the new Doctor.

>>84841593
>All I meant with the book is that it's an interesting read for anyone interested in TV or production- and definitely enhances the viewing of S4 and the Specials.

I've read the book more than once, and it's a fantastic work, but it did not endear me to RTD's era any more than I already was. Less honestly.

The "fighting the tide" narrative was there in the Eccleston year/s but they were riding high in the Tennant years, RTD schmoozed with the best of them most capably. Moffat can't/won't do that, and he actually challenged himself every year post 2013. The Penny chapters in the Writer's Tale are embarrassing, Moffat miraculously reinventing himself as a writer after Matt left is invigorating. RTD coasted, Moffat consciously tried to improve himself year after year. I really did not get this "against the tide" narrative from RTD. He's his own worst enemy, that's part of the appeal of the book and his very open commentary.

>>84841593
Ah, fair enough. That is a good analogy.

>>84840607

The 2017 Doctor Who Christmas Special is called "The Final End". A group of Dr Who fans who waited outside Dr Who studios in Cardiff last week to try and greet Peter Capaldi on his final days on set apparently saw one of set technicians or designers walking out front of building carrying script with him. On it said 'Doctor Who 2017 Christmas Special' 'The Final End' with alot of production code numbers and things on bottom. Source : Online friends with one of fans who claimed to of seen it and got to meet Peter Capaldi and director Rachael Talay last week.

>>84841787
The tautology of that title actually sounds like something Moff would do. Just like the Curse of Fatal Death.

>>84841787
>The ultimate last final concluding finishing endmost terminal end

Had a dream that I saw Capaldi, in-costume, walking up a high street while out with my dad. We're walking behind him and my dad urges me to go to him and get a picture.

I'm kind of hesitant because I've always thought I'd feel a bit funny about bothering a celebrity in public, but we follow him regardless. He leads us out of the high street to a main road with fields on either side of it. He sits down on a railing to take a quick breather, at which point I catch up to him and ask him if I could get a picture. He then lies down underneath the railing to take a nap, and says "yeah" sarcastically as he falls asleep. Was pretty gutted desu. Later on in the dream after he'd woken up from his nap he was swarmed by a bunch of kids wanting to get pictures with him, and he begrudgingly did for all of them, but blanked me the entire time as I stood by waiting for a chance to talk to him.

>>84841885

I've realised that although i would love to meet celebrities i'd like, i'd only want to meet them as equals in some capacity, like working together on something. Meeting famous people as a fan is so awkward and you feel like a beta no matter how you approach it.

>>84841926
Compared to Peter Capaldi, everyone is a beta though.

>>84842040
this is true

why does capaldi pose like a sperg in every photo

>>84841926
Pretty much. It reminds me of when I saw that John Cleese was charging about £100 for a photo and an autograph at the disgusting pyramid scheme that is the LFCC. The inherent comedy factor in being paid a shitload to be nice to some beta who is willing to blow all that money for a few minutes of his time surely can't be lost on him.

>>84841690
Yeah there was difficulty from the start, but what the book goes into with S4 and the specials wasn't to do with 'viewers' but more to do with the production. How many times does RTD say that they want something that can't happen?

Moffat did challenge himself yeah from a writers perspective- but production wise what has actually been special or difficult? Doctor Who is the definition of 'coasting' atm, lest I remind you of "same old same old" trailer from last year.

Moffat's biggest guest star has been...Matt Lucas. RTD had Kylie Minogue to do an episode about a space Titanic. Whether or not the writing is good or not is another question, but production, marketing, and brand wise, RTD was far more consistent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmqTzPUt76U

>>84842081
>Moffat's biggest guest star has been...Matt Lucas


Sir John Vincent Hurt would like a fucking word

>>84842122
It's not quite the same as John Hurt played the Doctor, not a secondary character. To me that makes it a bit different to compare really.

Is there any way I can buy physical copies of the Audio Visuals?

>>84842145
Arbitrary.

>>84842081
>RTD was far more consistent

We're arguing the same thing. I'm saying that that consistency doesn't impress me. RTD stressed himself out by his own neurotic nature, his failure to prepare on time, and his pursuit of inane ideas. He was also beset by a lot of problems not of his own doing, like personal tragedies, and occasionally the BBC.

Meanwhile Moffat continuously experimented, changing up the writing of the show, the focus, the branding, the structure, etc, multiple times. He finally brought the show great success in America. The 50th was record-breaking. RTD made the show popular and brought it back better than Moffat could have, but he absolutely coasted and caused his own problems a lot of the time. Moff was also late with scripts a lot in S6 and S7 years, but after that, most of his problems were external, and caused by his own pushing the boundaries.

>production wise what has actually been special or difficult
Can you not see the absolutely tremendous difference in look between RTD and Moff's era? I don't mean the switch to HD in 2009, I mean how much more professional the show looks like under Moffat. Moff is competing with international prestige dramas with enormous financial backing, RTD was competing with whatever tripe ITV had back then.

>Moffat's biggest guest star has been...Matt Lucas. RTD had Kylie Minogue to do an episode about a space Titanic.
Yes, Moff focuses more on pushing the characters and show forward, instead of publicity stunts. Perhaps not as healthy for the show's immediate ratings, but the idea that Moffat's lack of pandering is somehow a bad thing is just insane to me, as fans who care enough about the show to be on a 4chan general about it. Besides, Sir John Hurt was a bigger actor and actually the Doctor himself, that's a far greater prize.

>>84842081
>Michael Gambon
>Katherine Jenkins
>James Corden
>David Walliams
>Ian McKellen
>Richard E. Grant
>John Hurt
>Nick Frost
>Maisie Williams
Come on.

>Whether or not the writing is good or not is another question, but production, marketing, and brand wise, RTD was far more consistent.
I beg to differ here too, Moffat's era has brought a massive global expansion in the show, and there have been multiple cross-continental tours with both Matt Smith and Peter Capaldi, as well as the 50th Anniversary screening in cinemas in 94 fucking countries. Season 5, and moreso Season 6 made the show a much larger name globally than it ever had in RTD's era.

>>84842081
>Moffat's biggest guest star

another thing on this, doctor who is at its best without huge stars, pushing for all these actors from game of thrones and harry potter is what would ruin this show completely.

>>84842216
>>Maisie Williams
>treating that ogre as an A level celebrity

>>84842216
Add David Bradley to that list too actually.

>>84842255
You may not like her, but she has a large following, and drew more attention than most of the guest stars on the show prior anyway.

>>84841787
>The Final End
Is it a sequel to the Most Important Girl in the Universe (until the next one)?

>>84842216
>REG
>tfw no shalka audios

>>84842313
Bill wasn't the most important girl in the universe.

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>>84834869
I trust in the Chinballs.

Don't worry, Tom Rosenthal will be great.

>>84842216
I'm sorry but the America thing may have been massive in 2010/2011, but by 2014 it really wasn't the same sort of impact.

And besides, if we're talking about the american impact, Tennant is probably the most popular over there even now- maybe with competition from Smith.

Moffat is constantly berated by casual American fans now, in fact I'd say both although RTD may have been like Blair in the beginning, Moffat has been consistently far more unpopular and the changes to the show have only been met with positivity by a few television critics and a portion of the fanbase.

>>84842325
she is now that's she's a magic lesbian puddle that can go anywhere in time and space and rearrange atoms and revive people with tears, she'd beat Bad Wolf Rose in a fight 1v1

>>84842150
I really don't think there's anywhere you could find them these days, except maybe at a convention if you're lucky.

>>84842347
youre framing her ending disengnously to fit your narrative

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>>84842192
>whatever tripe ITV had back then

DELET

>>84842345
i like how you ignore the posts that BTFO you and only reply to the ones with a few holes in them. makes it clear you're a troll

>>84842347
Do we actually know she can travel in time?

I dont think we do, meaning bad wolf rose could easily win in a 1v1

>>84842362
fug. I'll keep my eyes peeled I suppose.
I had a look on the website but found this

>We wuld be categorically ad absolutely against the old AVs being made available again
>- which why we haven't done so ourselves. Thery are snapshots of our pasts,
>if you like, and prefer them to sty tht way.

>Which seems a bit miserable and grumpy but that's the way it is. Sorry.

>Gary Russell

>>84842192
Moffats era have enormously better production, that is true.
But moffats ability to change have more concepts have more to do with his failures. I think the BBC forced him to make a total break with the overarching arcs of the Smith era, because it didn't hold up. Or maybe he realized that himself.

But I accept that he also was more innovative and had many interesting ideas, but his problem is the writing. He never succeeded in creating deep characters, they were all paper cutouts used for clever plots. But I think he actually tried change that with the Capaldi era; And he should have some credit for that, but he failed badly.

>>84842345
This is ridiculous, you yourself said this argument wasn't about writing quality, but about the show's production quality, marketing and branding. You're more inconsistent than the scripts of the writer you so desire to defend.

>>84842423
>Whether or not the writing is good or not is another question, but production-wise [...], RTD was far more consistent.
>Moffats era have enormously better production, that is true.
So you admit to being wrong?

>>84842400
Heather did it in episode 1, no reason to assume Bill can't

>>84842370
I know you are, but what am I?

>>84842347
>she'd beat Bad Wolf Rose in a fight 1v1
SB pls go

>>84842423
>But moffats ability to change have more concepts have more to do with his failures
>He never succeeded in creating deep characters
>they were all paper cutouts used for clever plots
>he failed badly
You know, when I'm discussing something with someone and they start pushing their opinions like declarative, factual statements, it just sours the whole experience. I was happy to discuss this and open to changing my mind but it seems we don't both feel that way. It's enormously more conductive to conversation when you couch your opinions in phrasing befitting the fact they are just that - opinions.

Plenty of people, including some /who/res, would find some of Moffat's characters to be "deep", his stories to have meaning beyond just being "clever plots", and would find some of his experiments to be "successes", but your casual invalidation of the idea that anyone could have a different experience with the show than you makes it pointless to try and communicate that.

>>84842457
I am a different anon. That was my first post. Sorry.

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HERE COMES LARRY THE DANCING CYBERMAN.

If RTD is New Labour, and Moffat is Conservative...what does this make Chibbers?

>>84842525
>Moffat is Conservative
ha ha

>>84842511
Sorry. I am a different anon. It was my first post.

>>84842533
He's referring to the party, not the ideology

>>84842458
Do we know it was time travel and not just Heather waiting long enough?

>>84842515
This is a great meme. well done. 5 stars. Would look at again.

>>84842525
BNP

If the Doctor ever becomes female, she should have a transgender companion in order to help her with her change.

>>84842540
That's quite alright, those sort of mixups can happen quite easily on 4chan. No worries.

>>84842525
RTD is maybe the new Labour, but Moffat is the SJW. I hope Chibelino will be Trump. :)

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>>84842515
HERE'S SIMON THE SHY CYBERMAN!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsbLzzOYOYc

>>84842564
Triple antibiotic?

is Zagreus actually worth it? all I know is the poem and that it's some confusing continuity mess

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>>84842525
#moggmentum

>>84842579
>Chibnall
>an incredibly outspoken feminist
i dont like your chances

>>84842547
... she went into the past, anon

>>84842393
It's probably Melanon.

>>84842618
she just went the long way round

>>84842591
It's worth a listen but is very tied up in the continuity of 8's audios with Charley. Listening to it without hearing those would be like watching the 50th without watching any NewWho episodes - you'd kind of get the anniversary-ish beats, but the actual story would mostly be lost onyou.

I love it myself, it's a glorious mess but I adore how it rejects how an anniversary special is meant to work. It tries to work as a story on its own terms, rather than just an excuse to get all the actors back together. Of course it does that too, and fails when it tries to have its cake and eat it too...plus it has some atrocious writing sprinkled amongst the great ideas.

It's experimental, it was trying something different, it failed a lot but also succeeded in some interesting ways. It's worth a listen. I'd listen to at least Storm Warning and Neverland beforehand (preferably some of the kino stories set before it too, like the Chimes of Midnight and Seasons of Fear)

>>84842579
I'd watch Broadchurch s3 before counting on that

>>84842639
I'll send you the wrong way round in a minute.

I really really hope they make more references to Trump in the next series! Trump Trump Trump! I can't get enough! I hate him so much, I want nothing more than to hear is name constantly referenced in every form of media on the planet!!!

>>84842647
I've listened to two of the Charley audios (Chimes and Storm Warning). Any other main range continuity I need to know? Any wilderness years book shit (VNAs, EDAs, PDAs)?

>>84842681
same desu
my family legit laughed out loud when he called him inevitable in the doctor falls
was gold

>>84842689
Nah, only think you'd absolutely have to hear beforehand is the Neverland charley audio. There's wilderness references (one of the neatest bits of Zagreus is how it reconciles various wilderness media, but you don't actually need familiarity with it to get that) but nothing you NEED to know other than Charley's story.

>>84842525
Corbyn.

>>84842695
that was a really good line desu

>>84842715
>reconciles various wilderness media
Are there looms or something? Faction Paradox shit?

>>84842591
>is Zagreus actually worth it?

No. The only reason anyone would ever want to listen to that is the resluion to the Neverland cliffhanger.

>>84842618
ok, I didn't pay attention to which way they traveled

>>84842578
And I'm sorry my answer sounded a bit absolute. I am lazy when I write, and I am a bit high so there is that.

I think the Smith era had some real problems with the way to complex plots and solutions that just made people confused. "She have to dress up as an astronaut and kill the Doctor, why?" "So what was this with his name and why are he fighting for thousand years against the whole galaxy?" "And why are the silents priests that hide in the roof?"

And the characters don't get enough time to get a real uh... character. They seems to be used as tools, she is suddenly a school teacher and don't have any real connections anywhere until she meet some soldier guy suddenly.

Doctor Who? More like Doctor ___

What's the deal with Phil Sandifer? All I can find is that he's some commie /x/ weirdo and that he was in some transhumanist community drama or whatever and got banned from editing wikipedia

>>84842599
>>84842647
Yeah I know. I think the best we can hope for is that he is a classic socialist instead. More working class than HBTQ* shill.

>>84842715
>one of the neatest bits of Zagreus is how it reconciles various wilderness media
It really doesn't "reconcile" them at all. It just says they happen in different, unrelated universes.
And if I remember correctly, it even gets things wrong (it tries to make a reference to "The Adventuress of Henrietta Street" by mentioning the Doctor removing one of his hearts when in the book it's Sabbath that cuts it out).

>>84842742
Not as far as that, IIRC, but it tries to work a way for all the contradicting stories for 8 to exist simultaneously

>>84842771
It's all good, sorry I was a bit snippy about it. I'm no Smith-era apologist, I think S6 and S7 are fundamentally broken, and S5 is vastly overrated.

>she is suddenly a school teacher
I've never gotten why this is weird, plenty of "nannies" are teachers-in-training/uni. They're both careers centred around caring for/teaching kids. Also there's clearly a timeskip between Name and the 50th, from how they're out of 11's timestream, and how they greet each other in the TARDIS like it's been quite a while since they've seen each other (implication of adventures in between Name and the 50th too).

>don't have any real connections anywhere
But her family feature in the S8 Christmas special. Not every RTD episode had the entirety of a companion's family in them too. And Classic Who had plenty of great companions it never showed any family members of.

Clara had tonnes of characterisation in s8 and s9, IMO she's the most developed companion of NewWho. Capaldi-era Moff just doesn't write his characters in as big shouty expository ways as he used to. Clara thrusting herself into dangerous situations again and again with unsettling glee after her boyfriend dies is characterisation, even if it's not accompanied by a dozen monologues explaining exactly what's happening with her psyche.

>>84842771
I agree, this is why i initially HATED the amy era (thought it got a bit better in claras season) it was just so fantastical after being somewhat structured during RTDs era

>>84842647
>>84842599
Why are you responding to bait?

>>84842890
>Clara thrusting herself into dangerous situations again and again with unsettling glee after her boyfriend dies is characterisation, even if it's not accompanied by a dozen monologues explaining exactly what's happening with her psyche.
That was something I liked about S9 overall and why I (probably others) hate her 'fate' in Hell Bent

She was ready to die even after The Doctor saved her against all laws of time and then there she goes gallivanting off in her diner Tardis with Me. It was such a fanwanky ending with no logical conclusion to her character arc

>>84842971
I love, love, love her ending in Hell Bent but I completely get why others don't, it's a much more cerebral, meta ending for her rather than the more 'grounded', directly emotional ending Face the Raven was. Actually carrying through the idea of her as a human deconstruction of the Doctor to the point where she became a quasi-immortal reconstruction was just pitch perfect for the show, and Capaldi's Doctor in particular, IMO, when his era naturally suits questioning the tenants of the show much more since he's the first of a new cycle and has so many parallels to Hartnell.

I just think that the logical conclusion to Clara's tendencies making her act more Doctor-ish/suicidal first worked as a great analysis of the Doctor and her from the ground-up, since Clara wasn't introduced as a Doctor expy at all, so her slowly morphing into that was earned and not cheap. But then properly carrying it through all the way felt like a validation of the Doctor AND her to me. If she'd just died, it would have been emotional, but wouldn't have said much for her in the greater context of the show IMO..."if you try and act like the Doctor, but aren't a magic Time Lord (who don't exist in irl btw kiddies), you'll die. Enjoy that message suckas". But Doctor Who is fantasy, it is fiction, so making her character arc actually land where the Doctor's did, more or less, as a sort of convergent evolution thing, I just love it to pieces.

I'm probably not explaining myself well, and I completely get why people wouldn't like it, it just works really well for me.

>>84842793
That's more or less everything you need to know.

>>84842890
>there's clearly a timeskip
Yeah, and I am not so thrilled of the way Moffat do that stuff. I makes it all seem very disconnected and it is often not really explained enough imo. Maybe it is a reason why his characters feel so "ungrounded".
>But her family feature in the S8 Christmas special
Yes. But it is like just a "look there they are". It is done so effective that it loses all real meaning.
>Clara thrusting herself into dangerous situations again and again with unsettling glee after her boyfriend dies is characterisation, even if it's not accompanied by a dozen monologues explaining exactly what's happening with her psyche.
I didn't feel like that. To me it was just the same Clara as ever, who throw her self into danger while joking. It is not a believable behavior. It is fine if they are not going for drama, but now and then they do, and she don't work for that purpose then.

>>84842971
>>84843105
Just spilling out more thoughts here, but something I took from The Doctor Falls - not sure if it was intended or not, buy I enjoy it as a reading either way - is that 12 is "reduced" to reflecting CLARA, rather than the other way around. His suicidal tendencies, his wanting to just accept death, his being ready to die, it reminded me more of Clara than 10 or whoever. I liked that a lot. It made them both feel less like tools for each other's character development, and more just like 2 very similar people.

>>84843152
>Yes. But it is like just a "look there they are". It is done so effective that it loses all real meaning.
Matter of opinion I suppose.
>I didn't feel like that. To me it was just the same Clara as ever, who throw her self into danger while joking. It is not a believable behavior. It is fine if they are not going for drama, but now and then they do, and she don't work for that purpose then.
Well I don't really know what to say to that, it was very much what they were going for. I don't know how you can say it's not a believable behaviour. I know depressed people, and people with a lot of tragedy in their lives, that went on similar paths, some going full adrenaline junkie, others just going that edge beyond "adventurous" behaviour into self-destructive tendencies. It's very much observed human behaviour.

>>84843152
>I didn't feel like that. To me it was just the same Clara as ever, who throw her self into danger while joking. It is not a believable behavior. It is fine if they are not going for drama, but now and then they do, and she don't work for that purpose then.

go rewatch the opening of face the raven

>>84843211
>Well I don't really know what to say to that, it was very much what they were going for.
It could be my fault. I was so tired of Clara by then that I just wanted her to die. I know that they tried to make her more of a character with the bf and all, but for me it was too late. She was too much an impossible girl that made no sense. Maybe I have problem following the plot sometimes and never get why she was first a dalek, then some 1800s nanny and then a teacher in the present. Maybe it is just me, but maybe it is more common. Maybe it is a problem for causal viewers in general.

Now that the Capaldi Era is coming to an end what are your favorite 12 costumes? I really liked the black velvet/whoodie combo in S10.

>>84843334
>Maybe I have problem following the plot sometimes and never get why she was first a dalek, then some 1800s nanny and then a teacher in the present.

did you see the season 7 finale. was all about that. actually even repeated the same infodump twice to explain it, once in the cold open and again at the ending

>>84843356
Same here. It looked awesome. Probably my favorit of all doctors outfits.

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>>84843376
I loved the professor look he had in The Pilot.

>>84843356
Him in Matt's costume

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>>84843356

>>84843372
I remember her travelling through time saving and helping the doctor, but I didn't really know what to think about it. She was too impossible for me. I don't even know what creature she is. And after that she was back as a school teacher. I don't know, man

>>84843408
This situation is like one of the hints about what the Doctor who could be. A weird professor that no one know, mysterious like. But it don't fit with the fast adventure styles that follows. And Ace was right all along!

>>84843424
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDxPGQQyD4g

wat doesn't make sense in the video? the whole episode sets it up .this clip is full of exposition making clear what's going on. River literally flat-out explicitly states what happens.

i hate that finale but i dont see whats super confusing about it

>>84843414
This tbqh, none of Capaldi's outfits came close.

Of his though, I think this >>84843419 was his best.

>tfw in 10 years were gonna get audio boxsets with 12/Nardole set at the school

COMFY
O
M
F
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>>84843574
>but Pearl will shit them up
Feels bad

>>84843414
disdain4plebs

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>>84843574
ugh, excluding the woman in the S10 TARDIS team? talk about problematic

>>84843599
What?

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2017-07-11/peter-capaldi-says-goodbye-to-fans-on-his-final-day-of-doctor-who-filming

>>84843623
Pearl Mackie, the "actress" that plays Bill

>>84843481
I don't know. how does that energy thing work? She obviously keep her memories and want to save the doctors. But what is then so special about the version hanging out with 12. And she was probably a human in that scene but since they already established her as versions before she don't feel very human. Hard to relate too and care about.

>>84843634
>his first episode his hair was the shortest its ever been
>his last episode his hair is the longest its ever been

POTTERY

>>84843648
Watch the fucking episode again holy shit. The original Clara survives it and goes back to being a companion. Criticizing a plot for being too complex is one thing, but you are clearly just too dumb to comprehend this shit.

>>84843648
>And she was probably a human in that scene but since they already established her as versions before she don't feel very human

which of those versions weren't human?

>how does that energy thing work?
did you watch the whole episode? they literally stand around that "energy thing" for like fifteen minutes and just trade exposition about it. here's a short clip of it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUU6vg8u1EU

> But what is then so special about the version hanging out with 12.
I thought your complaint was that she was too special, now its that she wasnt special enough

>>84843700
Tbh would've been comfy for the TARDIS to keep those vines and shit

>>84843684
Maybe I didn't care enough to remember. the whole serie was a mess and I skipped the second half and watched though it like a year later just have i done.

>>84843759
and yet you feel so capable of judging moffat's writing

>>84843759
>Maybe I didn't care enough to remember
That's fine. But don't then go on to critique it when you can barely remember it. Especially not for being "too complex."

>>84843644
Who said she was invited?

>>84843759
THen why the fuck are you complaining when you didn't even watch even the whole season?

>>84843700
>I thought your complaint was that she was too special, now its that she wasnt special enough
More like she is unrelateable. Too strange.

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Happiness through acceptance
>>84843898
>>84843898
>>84843898
>>84843898

>>84842325
Donna, Clara and Rose all were

>>84843778
>>84843824
Why not? That is the exact critic I have against the Smith era. It was a complex mess that made no sense until you came to the end, but by then you had lost all trust in the plot. So much dumb timeywimey on the way.

>>84843907
moff didn't write them

inb4 LE HE TECHNICALLY DID IN HIS EPISODES FOR THOSE SERIES

>>84843880
I did.

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>>84843989
yeah it really shows

>>84844050
New
>>84844050>>84844050

>>84844072
We already have one
>>84843905
>>84843898

>>84843962
>Why not?
Because you cited something that wasn't remotely difficult to understand and you misunderstood it because you were just plain dumb.
>It was a complex mess that made no sense until you came to the end, but by then you had lost all trust in the plot.
I will never understand this belief. Neither Series 5 nor Series 6 are like this at all, and in both series the plot unfolds in a fairly linear fashion with the only lingering questions being ones that make sense in a serial format, like "what happens from here?" and "why did X do this?"
The only plot arc that actively leaves important questions unanswered is the Series 7B Clara one, and that spans only 8 episodes and is resolved in an incredibly blatant way that leaves nothing to the imagination, you were simply not paying attention, remembering or just plain stupid to not understand it.

>>84843968
>Moff didn't write Clara

What did he mean by this?

>>84833986
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rwScL3YGac